thnx sa boy,now some more new info,i met a structural consultant from 'VDM Group' the australian company working on that project today and he told me it was definetely happening and the height is a very closely guarded secret but told me that it will blow every planned tower competition into the water :nuts:.

freaky. i never thought they'd come up with a new design..

:lol:. i said i don't think it is cancelled ^^.

Please do not mention Lucy, I am already upset. :ohno: Coz of her, the forum's "unofficial moderator" has told me off and now I feel bad. :runaway:

^^ Yeah and the 3500 quoted figure has anything to do with it. :ohno:

thnx sa boy,now some more new info,i met a structural consultant from 'VDM Group' the australian company working on that project today and he told me it was definetely happening and the height is a very closely guarded secret but told me that it will blow every planned tower competition into the water :nuts:.

:cheer::cheer::cheer::drunk:

"it will blow every planned tower competition into the water"

:banana: :pepper: :cucumber: :cheers2: :dance2:

So 2km is a possibility :yes:

So 2km is a possibility :yes:

2km? You've got to be kidding here Steve!? :lol:

But a 2000m tower is right up my street! :yes: It is possible of course, but unlikely... that would be something though huh...:)

Maybe we'll end up with the originally proposed 1600m? The height of two completed Burj Dubai! Now that would be one f**king insane tower! :crazy2: :drunk: :D

1200m is still the most likely height in my opinion. Most, if not all towers currently proposed only just touch the 1km mark. 200m taller than these is more than enough to 'blow these proposals out of the water', considering this would be around 20% taller than them.

We will have to wait some time more (unless a figure magically appears on the forum), but I will be happy with anything over that 1km mark. :)

^^ Totally agree with you here dettol, anything confirmed for over the 1000m mark is very good news indeed!

If Al Burj is not at the Waterfront and is located by jlt, I wonder will it be a complex like the B.D. Complex, hopefully it will; because its going to need some towers at least over 300-500m next to it, and clusters around it to 'visually' ground it.

Exactly what I've been thinking. It would be so cool if they decide to surround Al Burj with its own complex as they have done with Burj Dubai. But even at the 1000m mark it will still need several massive towers beside/around it to help it blend in better.

^^ Or tate they could put it in the centre of the (two villa designs) al furan development lol (what a great complex that is....(isnt it kinda weird to put a 1km tower next to suburbia?, anyway im not going to be the pesismist, I think its good they have worked very long on this project, the more time maybe the better, obviously it was unfeasible on the Palm J. and totally out of place, and at the waterfront I suppose being so close to the worlds largest airport it was kind of scary lol, so this new location just might work:) in the heart of 'New Dubai.' JUst build some 500, & 600 meter towers around it and include the arabian canal within the development and it should be great.

And SA Boy sits at home, snickering at the wild speculation. :cheers:

Also heard that the DEWA plant infront of Ibn Battuta will have to move for the new arabian canal and other big projects

Also heard that the DEWA plant infront of Ibn Battuta will have to move for the new arabian canal and other big projects

I knew they would move it!!! hehehe

Its silly to have it affecting the value of so much prime realestate. I can only image the costs of moving it but I was sure the premiums gained form moving it would justify it.

Again thank you for the info SA BOY! :D

In fairness, I don't think this is an offshore project at all anymore, especially since it isn't part of an offshore project either. I'm moving it to general developments.

So they're going to move that entire plant? Obviously they'll have to build a much bigger one somewhere else. Where could they do that?

So all of this yellow area will become a new huge project!

And we also know that Ibn Battuta Mall will be doubled in size.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8999/mapmi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is a project, not a tower? :nuts:

No surprise that they'll move the power plant. That area has simply become to valuable to have a powerplant in the middle dirtying up the land.

Can somebody please explain me did they plan parking along with Al Burj?
Probably it would be as large as Bahrain! :lol:

^^ Coming soon to Dubai: The world's first supertall parking structure :lol:

how many levels of parking would you need for 200 floors, 25 maybe ? Not sure I would want to drive around that car park climbing 25 floors every time you come home. Must have several entrances for floor ranges perhaps. How many does Burj Dubai have ?

Can somebody please explain me did they plan parking along with Al Burj?
Probably it would be as large as Bahrain! :lol:

^^Coming soon to Dubai: The world's first supertall parking structure :lol:

^^ :lol: :lol:

Also heard that the DEWA plant infront of Ibn Battuta will have to move for the new arabian canal and other big projects

Any idea where they're going to relocate the plant?

The car park will probably be underground (hopefully) and take up quite a large area underneath so that you wouldn't need loads of parking floors. Isn't the same being done for burj dubai?

Robotic Parking would be the solution. It would take maybe less then half the space of an conventional one.

^^ Or tate they could put it in the centre of the (two villa designs) al furan development lol (what a great complex that is....(isnt it kinda weird to put a 1km tower next to suburbia?, anyway im not going to be the pesismist, I think its good they have worked very long on this project, the more time maybe the better, obviously it was unfeasible on the Palm J. and totally out of place, and at the waterfront I suppose being so close to the worlds largest airport it was kind of scary lol, so this new location just might work:) in the heart of 'New Dubai.' JUst build some 500, & 600 meter towers around it and include the arabian canal within the development and it should be great.

Yeah, you could be right here A.U.S., in the end it just might be a good thing that they took so long working things out with Al Burj, maybe it's for the best and we'll end up with something way beyond all our expectations... but I really hope the loooooog wait ahead will be worth it... I'm dying to see the new design.:)

Pity things didn't work out at the waterfront as that would have been an ideal location, but it wasn't to be, well, one thing's for sure wherever they put Al Burj you can bet it'll piss on everything for miles around!:yes: Even if Al Burj comes in at 1050m that's two Pentominium buildings - one on top of the other whatever way you look at it! :shocked: Unbelievable huh? :nuts:

There will be one a hell of a view from the top of Al Burj towards Burj Dubai! :D Oh and if Al Burj is located anywhere close to the marina then that super-tall block may not look so super after all!:lol: :lol: I say build several 1000m towers close to AB and that should do it for the next 20-30 years! :lol: :lol:

But this is a pissing contest that only Big Al will win in the end!:)

The car park will probably be underground (hopefully) and take up quite a large area underneath so that you wouldn't need loads of parking floors. Isn't the same being done for burj dubai?

Absolutely, this is the only logical solution. It's going to be massive no doubt, and hopefully there won't be too many levels as that would be so annoying! But we can only wait and see what happens...

Any idea where they're going to relocate the plant?

Where will they move to if all the waterfront dubai has, is being taken by these projects?! :ohno:

Any idea where they're going to relocate the plant?

close to the new harbour which is happening on the AD Dubai border along with massive new Aluminum and steel plants.

Think of Jebal Ali II

^^ Excellent. But doesn't the Dubai Waterfront crescent/claw start right up against the border?

Anyway, if what you're saying pans out--no more power plant, no more Dubal along SZR--this whole Marina, Ibn Battuta district will be incredible. I can't tell you how many times I drive in from AD and find it so incongruous that the approach to wonderful New Dubai begins with Dubal and DEWA. Although these industries are needed now more than ever, it seems a huge accident of urbanization that they have ended up where they are. Surely, when they were built two decades ago, people must have wondered why they were being built so far the hell away from Dubai.:lol:

The next question is what will replace DEWA and Dubal??

However guys all these will take years so till the next decade the plant will be there to stay.

on www.creativekingdom.com is a project called "dohat Jumeirah" this could be located here....

whataa name great job julito-dubai :)

I hope someone has told DEWA, they have been expanding the powerstation, i heard more turbines came online over the summer.

I cant see it movin to the other side of the port as they would have to do massive amounts of undersea re routing, which would cause heavy disruption crossing the Jebal Ali shipping channel.

^^ Do you mean undersea cables? If so where do they go? ... or do you mean natural gas/oil pipes?

Natural Gas is one problem, complicated to re route, and would be disruptive.

the offshore water storage system would be very difficult to modify. risky too. if it all goes wrong, lives may be at risk.

Sorry but what does "off-shore water storagge" is supposed to mean?

The water which come out of your tap comes from the aluminium and powerstations, which create fresh water as a bi product.

it is then pumped out to sea to secret locations where it is held in large undersea tanks, before being pumped back into the cities water network.

however, we digress... this is the tall tower thread, which is not a project, so i dont know why its here.

random decision.

how many levels of parking would you need for 200 floors, 25 maybe ? Not sure I would want to drive around that car park climbing 25 floors every time you come home. Must have several entrances for floor ranges perhaps. How many does Burj Dubai have ?

what's with an car-elevator? :). btw...for Al Burj you probably would need much more parking-levels when all should be overground, maybe 50 or so ^^

The water which come out of your tap comes from the aluminium and powerstations, which create fresh water as a bi product.

it is then pumped out to sea to secret locations where it is held in large undersea tanks, before being pumped back into the cities water network.

however, we digress... this is the tall tower thread, which is not a project, so i dont know why its here.

random decision.

Ok thanks. I just didn't know that the water was stored in undersea tanks. (I certanly knew from where it comes from though ;))

Where will they move to if all the waterfront dubai has, is being taken by these projects?! :ohno:

^^ See here:)


close to the new harbour which is happening on the AD Dubai border along with massive new Aluminum and steel plants.

Think of Jebal Ali II

Thank you SA BOY!:) I would think this will take quite a few years to implement though huh?

^^ A few years? Make it several ...

^^ Well I did say quite a few years. ;)

^^ Yes you did actually ... however I don't expect anything before 2015 as far as removing the DEWA plant is concerned.

^^ 2015? Are you serious? What makes you so sure it will be that long before they even remove that plant?

The fact that they are still expanding it, and work on a replacemrnt is yet to begin in ernest.

^^ Still expanding it huh... well in that case I can see why things will take so long. Thanks for the info Dubai.

Real tired and can't remember squat... anyone know if there is a thread for Emirates Hills? Save me the bother of looking.;)

:D

Robotic Parking would be the solution. It would take maybe less then half the space of an conventional one.

I doubt about it, because in rush hours there gonna be jam problems...

^^ As compared to a traffic jam inside the parking structure right? :weird:

any last info about location ???

it's been removed from the waterfront, as far as i know. but i thought, why not put it in Business Bay. now that would be very cool. then build a bridge from the Burj Dubai to Al Burj

IMO waterfront was the perfect location. I heard that this tower is under redesign. Is this right?

^^ yes the tower is under redesign

Cool when can we expect renders , anyone know?

The redesign took place some time ago but this had not been announced. Different sources tell us there will be an announcment at the end of the year or in the first quarter of next year.

We are nearly there people, just hang tight a little longer.

^^ Yes, nearly there.:) I'm dying to see the new design, and also what kind of height we're dealing with here.

My gut instinct tells me that Al Burj will be immense!:banana: Well, at least Burj Dubai will still have a long stay at the top.:)

I found it:)

location:next to the Jumeirah Lakes Towers

02/November/2007

Al Burj


soil testing

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my car and the view from the Al Burj plot

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I found it:)

location:next to the Jumeirah Lakes Towers

02/November/2007

Al Burj


soil testing

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3401/imresolt202qp1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



For a second....the metal thing in the pic looked like burj dubai!!! :nuts::bash:

hysterical comment for me lol but did u see tha arabian canal passin through it ...

yea, I think it will be build over it as some sort of Gate. Btw. maybe the logo of former al burj real estate (now usos holding) reaveals the form of the new al Burj.

http://manager.albawaba.com/img/new_sys/mediabank/24179_mb_file_26ff4.jpg

Thanks a billion, Imre. It's amazing to see the biggest tower project ever as a little tent, a rusty machine and a 1 meter square sign :cheers:

Al Burj

this is the location where I found the soil test:

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Jesus Christ, the arse-end is about to be introduced to the biggest red hot poker on the planet.

This can't be right hu???

It's so far away from The Waterfront!!!! :hm:

^^ So Naz, are you going to buy in The Jewels now and be True Blue's neighbour ? :D

This can't be right hu???

It's so far away from The Waterfront!!!! :hm:

I take it you haven't been paying attention for the past 3 weeks.

What a find! Congratulations. 150 meters deep--how significant is this? What about those power lines--how close are they to the site?

With regard to the power plant, that has to be the worst location. The smoke blows right onto the Al Burj plot. Hopefully, Nakeel's clout will guarantee that that plant gets moved.

^^ It has already been revealed that the plant will move.

you're a genius IMRE !!!, finally we know the location ..
can we figure out an approximation for the height based on the depth given? I am no civil engineer, so i dont know if that's possible..

^^ Nope it's not possible, there's no formula, it depends on the kind of soil on site.

With regard to the power plant, that has to be the worst location. The smoke blows right onto the Al Burj plot. Hopefully, Nakeel's clout will guarantee that that plant gets moved.

ameen ...

^^ So Naz, are you going to buy in The Jewels now and be True Blue's neighbour ? :D


it add more valuable to West marina , JBR, JLT,JI etc...

they already put it at wikipedia...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

Thank you Imre:) We can now finally put that one to rest.

It's amazing to see the biggest tower project ever as a little tent, a rusty machine and a 1 meter square sign :cheers:

^^ :lol:

Yes, what a sight eh?:nuts: Wait for another ten years and fondly remember this poor humble shot.:lol:

What in God's name is all that ugly development here? Al Burj gets to look over that? :ohno: :runaway:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9605/imresolt02un1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

they already put it at wikipedia...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

Thanks bizzy, I already noticed that earlier.


:D

coz all that area belong to alnkheel ....

^^ Even all that horrible development on post 1080?

first 3 buildings (red) The Gardens , behind that the Discovery Gardens.

^^ Thanks Imre. :cheers:

As we now know the site for Al Burj, does anyone seriously think it could be above ground 12 to 18 months from now? I'd like to think so...

^^ Even all that horrible development on post 1080?

discovery gardens is still being built, it will look alot better when they do the landscaping ..

^^ Hmm... hope you're right about that BigDreamer, but I just don't like the look of the place though...

Well, they're gonna have Al Burj on their doorstep one fine day so that can't be all that bad huh? :)

in this time let's think if there alburj mall ...can beat dubai mall ...

it has Ibn Batutta directly next to it. so i doubt there will be a new one. Marina mall is also not too far away...

they need somethin special for alburj tower ...or new extension for ibn batutta

^^ Ibn Battuta will be expanded, doubled in size actually.

until now we didn't see any render of the New design or the sourroundings, so i wouldn't worry about that now

^^ Ibn Battuta will be expanded, doubled in size actually.

If they doubled it's size, wouldn't that effectively make it the biggest mall in the world?

03/November/2007

Al Burj,plot

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^^massive plot :nuts: great pix IMRE

That's one big plot alright, more than adequate enough for Al Burj... and maybe Al Burj Mall?:nuts: Ibn Battuta Mall should be fine though, especially as it's been mentioned here that it's being doubled in size... but you never know with these guys...?

Al Burj will definitely need several 400-500m towers surrounding it or else it's gonna look a bit ridiculous standing there all by itself.:nuts: It will need to blend in and should be enclosed by a major complex at the least... and if you do get a complex round AB similar to that of BD then it's more than likely you'll see another mall. That area looks quite barren anyway and needs lots of high rises imo.

If you give a mouse a cookie...

^^ Don't you mean cheese? :weird:

^^tate ur uber enthusiasm for big al might drive u insane one day :nuts::lol:

^^ :lol:

Oh I lost my sanity years ago mate thanks to the 777 club!:yes: :crazy2:

Big Al better be damn good or I just may lose what's left!:bash:

:D

quite deep soil testing.. can anyone make sth up of it?

I told u before it is going to be there :P

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n60/zapricorn2000/al-burj-dubai-tower.jpg

05/November/2007

Al Burj , plot

from the Marina Diamond 2 (Dubai Marina) roof


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Is this the final place of al burj??? Next to Discovery Gardens?

It should have great views of the Power Station

it is just speculation, nothing confirmed yet

What is confirmed is that it will NOT be in the Waterfront.

it is just speculation, nothing confirmed yet

if it was a speculation, why would they have a boarded up, mentioning the
Al burj

It is speculation as nothing has been officially announced, however I would say 99% chance it will be the location now.

Well, wherever the hell Al Burj goes in the end one thing is for sure, Dubai kicks serious ass in the world!!!

See here:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8850/supertalls2hi3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^lol Tate, Pricess, Petomonium and Burj Al Alam are stretched :D

^^ Yea, I know, but I don't care!!! Still kicks ass!!! :lol:

:rofl:

Yes and Al Burj is squashed :)

Yes and Al Burj is squashed :)

It looks like its made of wax and its melted a little in the hot Arabian sun :D

Yes and Al Burj is squashed :)


It looks like its made of wax and its melted a little in the hot Arabian sun :D

There's no flies on you guys eh?! ;)



:D

someone told me u can see alburj tower from iran so they can invest in other land in clear weather lol so i guess it's crazy thing....:) he's lier

someone told me u can see alburj tower from iran so they can invest in other land in clear weather lol so i guess it's crazy thing....:) he's lier

Well I heard that you can see IRAN on a clear day from Burj Dubai when it is built...

won't be suriprised if you can see Al Burj from Iran :-)....maybe it would be clear at night....:lol:

Well I heard that you can see IRAN on a clear day from Burj Dubai when it is built...

won't be suriprised if you can see Al Burj from Iran :-)....maybe it would be clear at night....:lol:

:nuts::eek2: wtf iran will be visible fom BD and AB from Iran....This is so cool.

Nakheel's Al Burj skyscraper -which, it is believed, will go higher than the Burj Dubai - could be built on a plot of land between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road, Construction Week has learned.

The project, which has also been referred to as the Tall Tower, was initially planned to form part of the Dubai Waterfront development, but Nakheel has confirmed that it will no longer be built there. The company is currently assessing other locations in Dubai.

"We are assessing various locations, but nothing has been finalised yet. The Al Burj Tower is the same as the Tall Tower," said a spokesperson for Nakheel.

A source from foundation engineering company, Fugro, which is carrying out the soil testing for the project, confirmed that the plot between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall was one of the proposed sites forthe development.

Initial designs for the tower indicate that there will be 228 floors, a four-level basement and one service sub-level.

The total built-up area will be 1.49 million m2, with 492,000 m2 of useable space.

The development will house offices, apartments and hotels.

The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200- metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors, taking the building over the 1km mark.

Among the consultants working on the project are the UK's WSP, US-based LERA, Australia's Van Der Meer Consulting (VDM) and Olive Group.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/503662-world-record-al-burj-looking-for-new-home

The helghast.

Hmmm......

if they use my pic , they should have written that the source from Imre Solt or Skyscrapercity.com not the blabla about the Fugro:)

http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imresolt204fy2.jpg

million dollar news for those near that area ..:) thnx IMRE

yes I know, speculation has already started at the JLT area:)

yestarday at midnight i saw firework near the plot ....could be nahkeel agents playin that or what ?lol

I think it was just a Diwali firework , I saw the same in Bur Dubai ,Dubai Media City and Internet City.

Sorry Imre, I apologise for this as I did ask Conrad to acknowledge you as the photographer. I'll speak to him on Sunday.

great news, hopefully they'll build it on the plot in the Marina

^^ What plot in the Marina?

The helghast.

Hmmm......

yeah :lol:

Sorry Imre, I apologise for this as I did ask Conrad to acknowledge you as the photographer. I'll speak to him on Sunday.


ok, no problem:)

World record Al Burj looking for new home
by Conrad Egbert on Saturday, 10 November 2007


Nakheel's Al Burj skyscraper -which, it is believed, will go higher than the Burj Dubai - could be built on a plot of land between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road, Construction Week has learned.

The project, which has also been referred to as the Tall Tower, was initially planned to form part of the Dubai Waterfront development, but Nakheel has confirmed that it will no longer be built there. The company is currently assessing other locations in Dubai.

"We are assessing various locations, but nothing has been finalised yet. The Al Burj Tower is the same as the Tall Tower," said a spokesperson for Nakheel.

A source from foundation engineering company, Fugro, which is carrying out the soil testing for the project, confirmed that the plot between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall was one of the proposed sites forthe development.

Initial designs for the tower indicate that there will be 228 floors, a four-level basement and one service sub-level.

The total built-up area will be 1.49 million m2, with 492,000 m2 of useable space.

The development will house offices, apartments and hotels.

The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200- metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors, taking the building over the 1km mark.

Among the consultants working on the project are the UK's WSP, US-based LERA, Australia's Van Der Meer Consulting (VDM) and Olive Group.

^^ that article is going with the old design. becasue they mentioned three-level function area
which is this area
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/971/palmtower15ynrs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Thats why I ignored it a few days ago when it was posted in the other thread. Its all regurgitated information, nothing new. Besides, there in total lockdown until an official announcement is made any time between now and March 2008.

^^ that article is going with the old design. becasue they mentioned three-level function area
which is this area
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/971/palmtower15ynrs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^Thats why I ignored it a few days ago when it was posted in the other thread. Its all regurgitated information, nothing new. Besides, there in total lockdown until an official announcement is made any time between now and March 2008.

Thanks guys. True, not very much there I suppose. I'm just hoping there won't be a huge departure from the old design as I think it's awesome as it is!

Sorry Tate but expect a complete redesign. As much as I agree with your opinion of the design shown above, Al Burj no longer exsists. We have to wait for the new tower design.

This tower has gone from The Pinacle -> Al Burj -> Tall Tower.

^^ We already know it's a complete redesign. A forumer on this site has seen the new design.

Sorry Tate but expect a complete redesign. As much as I agree with your opinion of the design shown above, Al Burj no longer exsists. We have to wait for the new tower design.

This tower has gone from The Pinacle -> Al Burj -> Tall Tower.

^^We already know it's a complete redesign. A forumer on this site has seen the new design.

^^ :cry:

Well, I can't see what the hell was wrong with the old design?! :bash: Sure, it did need work doing to it - but a complete redesign? :ohno: For me anyway, it was always just about finding an appropriate location to place Al Burj...

Hollie Maea, you mentioned that a forumer on this site has seen the new design... how do you know this? And have they revealed anything at all about the new design?

The Former is directly linked to the development of the Tall Tower and is completely tight lipped about any elements of the new design. The only thing he has said is that the new design will blow all WTO proposals out of the water.

The Former is directly linked to the development of the Tall Tower and is completely tight lipped about any elements of the new design. The only thing he has said is that the new design will blow all WTO proposals out of the water.

Oh of course, I remember now. :hammer: :lol:

I NEED more sleep I'm afraid!


:sleepy:

^^ :cry:

Well, I can't see what the hell was wrong with the old design?! :bash: Sure, it did need work doing to it - but a complete redesign?

SA Boy says the new design is great...and he tends to have good taste. So, I'm optimistic.

'Central Spire'

Design should be completely different!!!

When can we expect to see the new design?

why is it not in the waterfront???

^^ Because of height restrictions in that area due to the new airport.

SA Boy says the new design is great...and he tends to have good taste. So, I'm optimistic.

Yeah, I suppose it is best to remain optimistic about such things... I'm a little sad and a little pissed off as well that we will/may never see the old Al burj design materialize.:ohno: :bash:

^^ Because of height restrictions in that area due to the new airport.

Why didn't they just build the airport out in the water (such as the Palms) away from the Waterfront and avoid all this confusion in the first place? I have been told that this option would obviously have been much more expensive...but it still would have been a great (not original though) idea for Dubai. Al Burj could then have taken its proper place at the Waterfront.

They should have build the airport deeper into the desert. With runways PARALLEL to the coast. So the planes would avoid flying directly over the city.(they would have to make 90 deg turns before they would descend).

I am a bit dissapointed that the height will only be 1050m. Is that the final height for sure ? I thought it was supposed to be "much much" taller than Burj Dubai not 200m higher only :bash:

I am a bit dissapointed that the height will only be 1050m. Is that the final height for sure ? I thought it was supposed to be "much much" taller than Burj Dubai not 200m higher only :bash:

No, that's not "for sure". I don't believe anyone who knows officially has said what the height will be.

of course it will :). and i guess we'll see also a glass-facade and no stone like in the old renders

No, that's not "for sure". I don't believe anyone who knows officially has said what the height will be.

I have to agree with you there. Right now, it's impossible to say what's what. We could possibly yet get a very pleasant surprise when the true height of Al Burj is revealed. I'm hoping 1200m (at the least). That would definitely "blow" Burj Dubai away no problem!

of course it will :). and i guess we'll see also a glass-facade and no stone like in the old renders

Well, I'll tell ya, if it looks anything like Burj Dubai I'll f**king scream!!!:bash: Nothing wrong with BD, of course, it's an extraordinary building, but I just want to see something like we've never seen before... something on a MASSIVE scale from top to bottom that makes your mouth drop open every time you see it!:) Something that will scare the shite out of you basically!:yes: The old Al Burj design had this effect on a lot of people so I believe.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tate i know what you mean so i tried to design an al burj.

do you think something like that would be good. Sorry its in early design stages.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2431/onemilems6.jpg

^^ Hey germantower, that's not bad at all. I like the way you think!:) It's far from being beautiful...but it's big and bulky and has lots of character (a lot like the old Al Burj design really)! Try to straighten it up some more and add windows.

Appreciate the effort!:okay:

is such a design possible concerning wind?

^^ Hey germantower, that's not bad at all. I like the way you think!:) It's far from being beautiful...but it's big and bulky and has lots of character (a lot like the old Al Burj design really)! Try to straighten it up some more and add windows.

Appreciate the effort!:okay:

But you dont may forget in this design what you see on that pic above is only one tower there would be 2 towers that looking like one. A symbolic aspect to the former al burj design.

But you dont may forget in this design what you see on that pic above is only one tower there would be 2 towers that looking like one. A symbolic aspect to the former al burj design.

Yes, indeed, now go forth and multiply young man!:D



;)

16/November/2007

Al Burj, still soil testing but they have already removed the small board:)

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Didnt get stuck in the sand again Imre :D

Is the location confirmed then ?

no, until now not but I guess it is the final plot

Didnt get stuck in the sand again Imre :D

not, in that area the sand no problem:)

when he stuck bring your'e dittol lol

We just need to wait for an official announcement on this site, if indeed it is the first and last resting place of Big Al. ;)

Yeah, coz Nakheel use this site all the time for their "official" announcements. :daft:

Yeah, you know what I mean alright.:wink2:



:clown: :D

Just a thought.
Doesn't a building of this stature deserve to be in a vibrant commerce
hub?Seems out of place in the current speculated plot.

Just a thought.
Doesn't a building of this stature deserve to be in a vibrant commerce
hub?Seems out of place in the current speculated plot.

Yes, and no I suppose. I'm not sure about this site either but if they can create a complex similar to that at Burj Dubai then they can't lose imo! But then again, anything taller and bigger than BD is going to attract a hell of a lot of attention worldwide no matter where it is!

Just a thought.
Doesn't a building of this stature deserve to be in a vibrant commerce
hub?Seems out of place in the current speculated plot.

Don't agree with your thoughts, Jumeirah Lake Towers is shaping up to be an excellent residential/commercial area. Marina is just over the other side of SZR and no doubt further developments will appear between Ibn Battuta and JLT.

Yes there is a whole community being developed around Burj Dubai but if you compare it with this possible plot for Al Burj the community is already there or under construction.

^^:yes:

Technical Data
Height to tip 1,050 m (3,445 ft) varies
Height to roof 850 m (2,789 ft) varies
Height to top floor 850 m (2,789 ft) varies
Floors 228
Total Built-up area 1,490,000 m² (16,038,200 sq ft)
Usable Space 492,000 m² (5,295,800 sq ft)
Usage Mixed Use
Company
Developer Al Nakheel
Architect Woods Bagot
Engineer WSP Cantor Seinuk

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Don't agree with your thoughts, Jumeirah Lake Towers is shaping up to be an excellent residential/commercial area. Marina is just over the other side of SZR and no doubt further developments will appear between Ibn Battuta and JLT.

Yes there is a whole community being developed around Burj Dubai but if you compare it with this possible plot for Al Burj the community is already there or under construction.


If Al burj is built here it will raise the status of the Marina and JLT further and then prices could compete with burj dubai - after all burj dubai would not anymore have the worlds tallest tower

1. So far in the future and look how well established Burj Dubai is already !

If Al burj is built here it will raise the status of the Marina and JLT further and then prices could compete with burj dubai - after all burj dubai would not anymore have the worlds tallest tower

You make a good point here ferrari430. No doubt the prices of the Marina could well be elevated to those of BD/complex simply because of the existence of Al Burj nearby. I would think so anyway. Burj Dubai will have a lot of years at the top though and won't see any serious competition for a very long time.

They should have build the airport deeper into the desert. With runways PARALLEL to the coast. So the planes would avoid flying directly over the city.(they would have to make 90 deg turns before they would descend).


You can't just flip a runway 90 degrees. Planes take off against the wind and land with the wind. It would be an extremely poor design to have runways going perpendicular to the winds...lol. They could get flipped before they ever took off the ground (well smaller ones anyways) They would just have to do something like Denver and build an airport miles away from the city...but from what I've read about how even to this day with all their growth and everything sold out, they're still short 200,000 apts and who knows how many houses. So for a place with such an explosion of future population, city designers would really have to pay attention to densities and calculate all the acreage that would be needed and then put an airport x miles on one of the sides of the city.

i found this, might be for Al burj :dunno:
http://www.dmjmhn.aecom.com/MarketsAndServices/39/89/index.jsp

By the looks of the picture they used of the Jumeira Beachfront, its over 3yrs old. Possibly one of the original competing proposals for the Al Burj Project before the winning design was chosen.

Thx for the link helghast :)

can't be Al Burj. 3 years ago Al burj was still proposed for the Waterfront or even still on the palm jumeirah.

We know about the proposal and that was what later ended up to became Almas Tower, which I just want to remind you that it had a completely different design and name when it was first officially proposed as the anchor tower for the JLT project.

THNX IMRE :)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5779/imresolt206vf4.jpg

Any more news on this one? Is the soil testing still going on?

^^ Yes it is.

18/December/2007

Al Burj site

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http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5428/imresolt26dq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

great to see that they're still working on the site. i've a really good feeling that Al Burj will be build on that plot :)

Im wondering when we will hear some details from Al Nakheel about this project.

Well, I'm glad to hear that soil testing is still going on there. Can't wait to see the new design! :)

dewa should move fastttttttt from beach plot to middle of deseart ....we need that beach plot infront of alburj tower .....i wanaa to see movin from dewa in other hand working progressing at alburj tower .i will be so happy that's ,mean another 5 years

i mean emaar talkin about more plot , and i think power station plot belong to emaar ..

Hang on, is this thing approved now?

Hang on, is this thing approved now?

still nothing confirmed from the Nakheel.

i hope they'll release the new plans before the end of this year

This project is insane, i dont really like it though.

This project is insane, i dont really like it though.

Oh so you have seen the new design? Lucky you! ;)

Oh so you have seen the new design? Lucky you! ;)

No I haven't. I was basing my opinion on the older design :)

^^ I thought the old design for Al Burj was awesome.

Got a feeling though that the new design will be stunning :)

No I haven't. I was basing my opinion on the older design :)

Well since the new design will be completely redone, you don't have much to worry about.

the new design is so much better!!

^^ Yes I like the rounded shape of the top section, very nice!

^^ guys are you just pulling the leg? or is the new design available?

any render? sketch? anything????

can't wait to see it..




..

the new design isn't out yet ^^

the new design isn't out yet ^^

Depends on who you are ;)

I doubt it will be better, I thought the previous one was totally awesome. But, I'll just have to wait and see...

^^ guys are you just pulling the leg? or is the new design available?

any render? sketch? anything????

can't wait to see it..

The new design is so much better because it would be impossible to be any worse and struggle to be AS bad as the old one.


which to be honest was a very, very tall triple commie-bloc. All be it with a token swimming pool on the roof.

The new design has not been released and is a closely guarded secret. Sources involved directly with the project have stated this would be released during the first quarter of 2008.

So guys, hang in there... I know I am :)

20/December/2007

Al Burj

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http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6692/imresolt241al3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm just praying to God that the new design IS better but it's gonna be hard to beat the old one IMO! That was incredible! Gotta remain ever optimistic though...

^^ for sure ..

This will be one of the most anticipated releases in SSC history :) And what an awesome tower it will be. Oh and I love the location + it'll probably have like a burj dubai-looking district around it. Making the extended marina area evermore amazing...

you should have been around for the Dubai Waterfront release.... now that was exciting!

So no Al Burj in Dubai waterfront?

^^ Yes, no Al Burj in Waterfront anymore.

So do u think the new location is better AltinD?
well it seems its in land and no waterfront around that area

just terminals of canal coming from dubai waterfront + arabian canal ...soon will hear artifical sea near dubai land ...

I heard something about nakheel developing land at port rashid next to union house, near the dry dock. As Dubai World moves functions to maritime city.


possibly this?

^^ No. Even closer to DXB then the old location was to Al maktoum Airport (to be)

isnt that at jxb?

^^ Name changed to Al Maktoum Airport and I don't know if the JXB code was actually officially allocated.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2043/2148937276_5487af630b_b.jpg

What does this small square with a red cross mean for Nakheel's Tall Tower then?

^^ It means that your (mine as well) ISP provider is Etisalat.

^^ :lol:

for other broadband users, it's a beautiful picture of dubai marina and jlt taken from the proposed al-burj site




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Wow thats a great picture. Banner worthy if I must say...

Here it is again for Naz and AltinD

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/193/21489372765487af630bbzq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that place already verified?

^^ It's one of the possible locations being considered.

were else would it be possible at, it would be very coooool if it was in Business Bay

Well, heres to the beginning of the year we will finally see this astonishing example of human engineering unveiled for the world to see... :D

Any update on when the announcement will be ?

anyone told me they'll release it until the end of march, but i don't know if that's right

were else would it be possible at, it would be very coooool if it was in Business Bay

Agreed. Business Bay would be ideal for Al Burj... the BAA plot would be just perfect for it actually, BUT, I wouldn't want to see it go there with the loss of BAA. We all want BOTH of these magnificent towers, so lets just see what happens.

Shouldn't be too long now before we see the new Al Burj design...:banana:

bb phase 5 at al-merkad. this would be the best spot

Yeah but why would Nakheel build anything and increase the value of a competitor's project? ;)

^^ True

Anyone think we'll see the new design within the first quarter of this year?

I don't

Why so pessimistic? ^^

Nakheel? :)

I read an interesting articel about Emirates. Some people say one of their main goals is bringing tourists to Dubai. Could be the same for EMAAR. Getting attention by building the tallest skyscraper in the human history is a good thing for Dubai. The tourist that are visiting will be impressed and they will make advertising by telling everyboddy how much impressed they were by Dubai.
Nakheel will be the same. They will build the tallest skyscraper. And i think they will start when Burj Dubai is completed, not because they are unsure how tall the Burj Dubai will be, they will wait until the EMAAR building has it big moment. To remain in the center of attention Nakheel will start with the work on the new taller tower right after that moment.

Emirates, EMAAR and Nakheel are patriotic companies. There main goal is to serve Dubai.

good article...thnx for sharing Tom _Green.........

I read an interesting articel about Emirates. Some people say one of their main goals is bringing tourists to Dubai. Could be the same for EMAAR. Getting attention by building the tallest skyscraper in the human history is a good thing for Dubai. The tourist that are visiting will be impressed and they will make advertising by telling everyboddy how much impressed they were by Dubai.
Nakheel will be the same. They will build the tallest skyscraper. And i think they will start when Burj Dubai is completed, not because they are unsure how tall the Burj Dubai will be, they will wait until the EMAAR building has it big moment. To remain in the center of attention Nakheel will start with the work on the new taller tower right after that moment.

Emirates, EMAAR and Nakheel are patriotic companies. There main goal is to serve Dubai.Add to it Jumeirah, SAMA DUBAI (Dubai Towers, Istanbul, Doha, Casablanca) and all other state owned companies that are here shaping the future of Dubai.

Anyone think we'll see the new design within the first quarter of this year?

very very small hope :D

Arabic proverb:

He who has health has hope; and he who has hope, has everything. :)

so how is it approved if there is no design yet?

The first design was approved but then they changed location and rumour has it the design also. But it will definately go ahead in one shape or another.

so how is it approved if there is no design yet?

There is a design. You just haven't seen it yet :yes:

IMO someone should hack the nakheel server! ;) ;) ;)

Wont need to very soon ;)

Nakheel , but I am sure this model will include the Burj Dubai as well :)


Nakheel to reveal plans for new era of waterfront development at TDIM 2008

Dubai, 14 January 2008: Nakheel, one of the world’s largest privately-held property developers, will showcase plans for its new era of waterfront development at this year’s TDIM 2008 (Tourism Development project & Investment Market), a new exhibition taking place at Dubai World Trade Centre on 20th to 22nd January.

Nakheel will play a key role in the first ever TDIM exhibition with the largest stand in the company’s history, which is approximately the same size as three Olympic swimming pools. A number of new developments will be revealed in exciting shows talking place in two large domes situated within the stand. Nakheel will also unveil a 13 metre-long scale model of Dubai with an updated show, detailing the role the waterfront has played in the growth of Dubai and the major role Nakheel has played in this.

Each of Nakheel’s waterfront projects will be displayed at the exhibition, including the latest addition to Nakheel’s diverse portfolio of projects, Dubai Promenade. A model of the recently launched waterfront community is set to be revealed, which will allow visitors to see how Dubai Promenade will create a virtual peninsula along the emirate’s shoreline anchored by a spectacular five-star wheel-shaped hotel.
(Nakheel)

just for interesting, Cityscape 2007, Nakheel:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2298/071016mapofdubaimodelss9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(pic from the Nakheel)

16/January/2008

Dubai Marina, JLT and the Al Burj plot

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The drills are now gone?

The amount of water in Dubai right now is just mind boggling :P Oh, and I must say I'm looking forward to this TDIM conference even more than last years cityspace!

AGH!! This is driving me insane!!

Im counting the minutes until the 20th!!