AGH!! This is driving me insane!!

Im counting the minutes until the 20th!!

Why the 20th? anything new on the 20th?

It is VERY likely Nakheel will unveil the new Al Burj during TDIM 2008 (Tourism Development project & Investment Market), the first year this exhibition is taking place.

AGH!! This is driving me insane!!

Im counting the minutes until the 20th!!

Roll on the 20th :)

Now I am counting minutes too:)

I think we are building ourselves up for a big disappointment. While I think it is pretty likely they will show us Al Burj at TDIM, acting like it is inevitable is a good way to end up unhappy....

^^ not only that, what if the design looks like shit. that would be a even Bigger disappointment

^^ That's a much smaller possibility.

does anybody know if the promenade would have views of the al burj (tall tower) or whatever its called this week?

If Nakheel showed up al burj now then what will they show on the next cityscape?

They love being the center of attention, so if they have nothing for the next big show then they'll save it ..

good point fahed ...:)

very very small hope :D

Oh yea ? :) I happen to think there is a very good chance of seeing new Al Burj design at TDIM from 20-22th :D

^^ I have to agree with you here PG.

I think the new design will be quite special actually, just a feeling, but still, it will be hard to beat the old design imo.

Hope we are all just blown away by the new Big Al :)

If Nakheel showed up al burj now then what will they show on the next cityscape?

They love being the center of attention, so if they have nothing for the next big show then they'll save it ..

I don't know anything about Nakheel saving projects to be the center of attention...but just thinking out loud says to me, "why ever post a new design if you're just going keep saving it to one up the other companies?" Also, what would they post for this years to be the center of attention? Anyways, seems like a project can only be kept secret for so long before someone leaks.

Anyways lol, I have hopes the new one will be revealed. Everyone knows its not going to be difficult to beat the old design.

If Nakheel showed up al burj now then what will they show on the next cityscape?

They love being the center of attention, so if they have nothing for the next big show then they'll save it ..

e.g.

new masterplan of the Palm Jebel Ali, Palm Deira, Dubai Waterfront , new projects etc...they have many things.

Or maybe starting some overseas projects like Emaar and Dubai international properties :dunno:

e.g.

new masterplan of the Palm Jebel Ali, Palm Deira, Dubai Waterfront , new projects etc...they have many things.

i'm so excited to see you pics imre!! :)

20/January/2008

TDIM 2008

Al Burj plot, still not on the map

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http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/600/imresolt185zd5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i hope it will appear soon ...

This is not good, I demand to know where Al Burj plot is!! :rant:

I heard something about nakheel developing land at port rashid next to union house, near the dry dock. As Dubai World moves functions to maritime city.


possibly this?

Damn i'm so good i scare myself sometimes...

What a depressing day. We hoped to learn something about Al Burj but instead we get the stupid "Universe" project :bash:

^^too bad:ohno:

I thought it was going to be part of the Dubai Waterfront project. I just hope that it is taller than the Burj Dubai.

i hope so...

I heard that "Soletanche Bachy", a French company was awarded the piling contract of Al Burj. The site for Al Burj is next to JLT. It might be the same site reported by Imre. Those with ties with this company can check the information.

great news, thanks

i saw the website, good references

http://www.bachy-soletanche.com/SBF/wwwsbf_uk.nsf/CSSMenu/2C9DD13846021904C1257022003570F0?OpenDocument

Petronas Towers
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Foundation barrettes down to 125 m.


http://www.bachy-soletanche.com/SBF/wwwsbf_uk.nsf/PageWeb/43_5?OpenDocument

I heard that "Soletanche Bachy", a French company was awarded the piling contract of Al Burj. The site for Al Burj is next to JLT. It might be the same site reported by Imre. Those with ties with this company can check the information.


22/January/2008

Al Burj

Soletanche Bachy at the site

:banana::banana::banana:

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what BIG day..........

This is it guys
Sit Back and Buckle up everyone
Al Burj is Coming!!

maybe with this event they will finally unveil the new design, possibly yet today......if i remember right its the last day of the TDIM and maybe Nakheel has waited extra so long!

I am still sure the new design will blow everything away..........EVER SEEN!

I want them to build Al Burj and i want the Al Burj to be at least 1050m tall.
I really hope it will work as planned.

^^You're not alone :D

Already starting to dig for the foundations OMG this is the slurry wall excavator:nuts: When the hell will Nakheel post more informations about this project:bash:

I dont think they should build it for at least 5-10 years.

Yeah, it would definitely be an ideal PR "great escape" when the Universe almost causes World War 3.

Great news for the Marina especially the **** end should now be renamed the Burj end:banana:

maybe with this event they will finally unveil the new design, possibly yet today......if i remember right its the last day of the TDIM and maybe Nakheel has waited extra so long!

i don't think so ^^

I want them to build Al Burj and i want the Al Burj to be at least 1050m tall.
I really hope it will work as planned.

Damn right!

It's great to finally know the location for Al Burj, and even though I want to see Al Burj reach 1200m tall I'll gladly settle for 1050m. :)

1600m could be a possibility in case they are worried about the mile tower ?

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9283/diagramfa3.jpg

^^ Now that's what I'm talking about! Where Burj Dubai wimps out this tower is only getting warmed up! :banana:

Is Mile Tower just a proposal, or is it actually approved? If memory serves me right, wasn't Al Burj originally proposed at 1600m? Assuming Mile Tower is given the green light then Al Burj better be far beyond Burj Dubai!

This is it guys
Sit Back and Buckle up everyone
Al Burj is Coming!!

Allright!!!:)

I'm not gonna get excited until I know what it looks like. Has a hight even been confirmed.

^^ i agree. no the height is a well kept secret just like the burj dubai

I got the news about piling from a friend working there. He told me that they will be moving their site offices from Palm Jebel Ali to Al Burj site. I will get more information once they move there.

Thanks Imre for confirming my news about Soletanche Bachy.

thanks for the info djamel05

Great news for the Marina especially the **** end should now be renamed the Burj end:banana:

West SIDE MARINA:banana::banana::banana:

1600m could be a possibility in case they are worried about the mile tower ?



I don`t think so.
If the mile tower will be build they will build a 3rd tallest building that will be the real anchor building of Dubai Waterfront. Maybe they make a plan how to build it without interrupting with the flight paths of World Central.

I highly doubt they will be releasing any height information, if even a design, for some time. They may want people to keep guessing. Atough by another token the city planning office, or whatever its equivallence in Dubai, must have some kind of details at least.

23/January/2008

Al Burj plot

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^^ Wow, construction has begun already :) The value of those discovery gardens apartments will increase four fold !

what is the building in the backround.

The Gardens , after that the Discovery Gardens

OK thanks. I am not sure if I heard of the gardens, is residental?

yes, residential,the pink and red buildings part of The Gardens and I think that is not freehold just for rent.

yes, residential,the pink and red buildings part of The Gardens and I think that is not freehold just for rent.

Nice avatar Imre! :lol:

I highly doubt they will be releasing any height information, if even a design, for some time. They may want people to keep guessing. Atough by another token the city planning office, or whatever its equivallence in Dubai, must have some kind of details at least.

Why would you want to keep people guessing. That does absolutely nothing. If they are building a possible worlds tallest they would want every one to know. I mean thats how every worlds tallest has been so far. An exact hight may be kept secret.
They probably know the hight and design but aren't telling people because they're not sure about it and wont release to public because it may change. Not because they have something to hide.

They've issued a statement in today's Business 24-7 that the plot will be in the Waterfront! :ohno:

They've issued a statement in today's Business 24-7 that the plot will be in the Waterfront! :ohno:

Do you have the article?

How do you know that this is the spot for al burj?

They've issued a statement in today's Business 24-7 that the plot will be in the Waterfront! :ohno:

u mean in previous 5y:cheers:

The race to build the highest skyscraper in the world may never be over, says the head of Nakheel’s building division.

Canadian Robert Lee, 45, appeared unfazed at the notion of tallest structure claims noting they are often short-lived as taller and taller towers are erected around the globe.

“The whole idea of the tallest tower is really fleeting,” he said in an interview with XPRESS at a recent trade and tourism show in Dubai.

That said, the push to build the new Nakheel tower Al Burj, he added, was very much “on the drawing board”. And Nakheel isn’t ruling out the possibility that Al Burj could dwarf Burj Dubai.

When constructed at an unspecified time, the proposed tower would be located at Dubai Waterfront project which is to be renamed in March as simply “Waterfront” by Nakheel.

The skyscraper would be a combination of offices as well as residential apartments.

With speculation that the proposed Nakheel tower could reach skyward up to a kilometre, the structure could stand a full 300 metres higher than Burj Dubai now under final stages of construction by Emaar on Shaikh Zayed Road.

Lee isn’t ready yet to spill the beans on how high Al Burj tower will reach to enter the record books although he has confirmed that it would be at least as tall as Burj Dubai.

He said once a building reaches a certain height, going a few hundred metres extra doesn’t require as much of additional design, materials and time as one would think.

“The same amount of effort will be taken whether it’s 888 [metres] or a kilometre,” said Lee, a Vancouverite. “There will always be someone who wants to challenge the imagination.”

Lee moved to Dubai in 2000 to assume management of Nakheel’s ambitious building programme.

Nakheel is still committed, Lee said, to building the Palm Trump Hotel and Tower on the trunk of the Palm Jumeirah, a skyscraper that replaces the scrubbed Pinnacle Tower.

After unveiling this week the Universe island development as well as a push to redevelop Port Rashid, Lee said Nakheel continues to believe Dubai is “the place where the impossible is possible”.

Lee countered pessimistic claims that Dubai will never fill all of the new office and residential space under construction noting that his company believes that as the city becomes a world-class financial and business centre, it is also building a new sense of security.

The city is on the cusp of welcoming billions of dollars in international investment by firms which have been waiting patiently for Dubai’s economic and exchange markets to mature, said Lee.

He said that Nakheel now manages 60,000 units it has constructed in recent years.
And there’s more on the way.

“We’re in the process of building 60,000 to another 100,000 units,” Lee said.

fly free with it lee LOL

I notice that the article doesn't actually quote anyone from Nakheel saying it will be in the waterfront. To me it looks like they just didn't do all their fact checking and are assuming that's where it will be because that was the first plan.

The race to build the highest skyscraper in the world may never be over, says the head of Nakheel’s building division.

Canadian Robert Lee, 45, appeared unfazed at the notion of tallest structure claims noting they are often short-lived as taller and taller towers are erected around the globe.

“The whole idea of the tallest tower is really fleeting,” he said in an interview with XPRESS at a recent trade and tourism show in Dubai.

That said, the push to build the new Nakheel tower Al Burj, he added, was very much “on the drawing board”. And Nakheel isn’t ruling out the possibility that Al Burj could dwarf Burj Dubai.

When constructed at an unspecified time, the proposed tower would be located at Dubai Waterfront project which is to be renamed in March as simply “Waterfront” by Nakheel.

The skyscraper would be a combination of offices as well as residential apartments.

With speculation that the proposed Nakheel tower could reach skyward up to a kilometre, the structure could stand a full 300 metres higher than Burj Dubai now under final stages of construction by Emaar on Shaikh Zayed Road.

Lee isn’t ready yet to spill the beans on how high Al Burj tower will reach to enter the record books although he has confirmed that it would be at least as tall as Burj Dubai.

He said once a building reaches a certain height, going a few hundred metres extra doesn’t require as much of additional design, materials and time as one would think.

“The same amount of effort will be taken whether it’s 888 [metres] or a kilometre,” said Lee, a Vancouverite. “There will always be someone who wants to challenge the imagination.”

Lee moved to Dubai in 2000 to assume management of Nakheel’s ambitious building programme.

Nakheel is still committed, Lee said, to building the Palm Trump Hotel and Tower on the trunk of the Palm Jumeirah, a skyscraper that replaces the scrubbed Pinnacle Tower.

After unveiling this week the Universe island development as well as a push to redevelop Port Rashid, Lee said Nakheel continues to believe Dubai is “the place where the impossible is possible”.

Lee countered pessimistic claims that Dubai will never fill all of the new office and residential space under construction noting that his company believes that as the city becomes a world-class financial and business centre, it is also building a new sense of security.

The city is on the cusp of welcoming billions of dollars in international investment by firms which have been waiting patiently for Dubai’s economic and exchange markets to mature, said Lee.

He said that Nakheel now manages 60,000 units it has constructed in recent years.
And there’s more on the way.

“We’re in the process of building 60,000 to another 100,000 units,” Lee said.

Thats already been posted. I think judging by what he said, it should be at least 1k high. :) I wonder if he thinks the Burj Dubai will be 888m or maybe thats just a randon number...

i hope the title can be changed soon to UC :)...........i really never thought that already in 2008 a 1000m+ tower will be UC

How do you know that this is the spot for al burj?

I found this board there in November 2007

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8032/imresolt205jh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what do you think , it was just a joke? :)

SO IF IT GETS BUILT BY MID 2008 SO IT WILL TAKE PROBABLY MORE THAN 4 YEARS TO FINISH
!!! 2012.....DAMN..THATS TO MUCH TIME TO WAIT!!!!!!

^^ 2012? You'll be lucky!

Don't really matter how long it takes to build Al Burj IMO, it only matters that they just get down to building the thing! Bottom line is the sooner they start the sooner they get it done! We've waited long enough! It doesn't matter about the exact height either (even though I want Al Burj to top out at well over 1000m), I mean we can live with not knowing this info, for a time anyway, and just be content with the fact that Al Burj is U/C. As I've already said, the most important thing right now is that Nakheel just start construction on this tower.

However Tate, there's one extremely important thing that I'm more anxious about than the construction start...the god damn new DESIGN!!!!! *pulls hair out*

I don't think so.
If the mile tower will be built they will build a 3rd tallest building that will be the real anchor building of Dubai Waterfront. Maybe they make a plan how to build it without interrupting with the flight paths of World Central.

Maybe build massive building with holes in it so planes can fly through! :nuts:

Why would you want to keep people guessing. That does absolutely nothing. If they are building a possible worlds tallest they would want every one to know. I mean thats how every worlds tallest has been so far. An exact hight may be kept secret.
They probably know the hight and design but aren't telling people because they're not sure about it and wont release to public because it may change. Not because they have something to hide.

Becouse of two reasons. First of all they want to build anticipation and hype, and secondly they don't want possible competitors for the title to know. In any case, i agree with you, they will most likely release some kind of number, like "higher than x meters". And a design will probably be shown, how else would they sell it, after all.

I did not have in mind that they had something to hide though.

Youre correct though that they wont release information they are not sure is final, that sounds sensible.

However Tate, there's one extremely important thing that I'm more anxious about than the construction start...the god damn new DESIGN!!!!! *pulls hair out*

Yea, you're right of course Joy Machine, we're all pulling out what little hair we've got left waiting to see this new Al Burj design! I had thought we might see something at TDIM but sadly that's come and gone now and still nothing...:ohno: I suppose the longer they leave it the more interest and suspense will grow around the new design...kinda keeping us on the edge of our seats if you will... I think they can still actually begin construction on Al Burj without us seeing the new design, no problem, and then later on at some chosen time by Nakheel they will finally release the new design to the world. We can expect the exact height to be kept secret too for a very long time, for obvious reasons, but that's cool, we'll figure that one out as we go along. I just want to see them making some real progress with Al Burj before we all turn grey here! Only thing is how long will we have to wait to see this new design? I only hope it will be well worth the wait...

I think they should build TWO Al Burj towers just for keeping us waiting all these years! And at least 1200m a piece! :D

two al burj's but not twins...just same style. I'm not a fan of twin of towers...seems like a cheap way out when so much money is already going in.

Nakheel intend to have at least one major announcement per month, throughout 2008. Watch this space...

^^ Yup, were getting close :)

i can't wait to see what's really going on next month lol

wow......look how deep will be the foundation 151 meters!!!Maybe in 1 year they will finish the whole foundation!

BTW Yesterday at night i saw them working...(prep status)

Finally! Someone should change the status to Prep!

BTW Yesterday at night i saw them working...(prep status)

unbelievable, they're really starting to build this monster :)

Without pics, the status is not going to change. In fact, even with pics we would need a little more info to give the project 'Prep' status. (Unless theres an army of same coloured uniforms running around the site :D)

two al burj's but not twins...just same style. I'm not a fan of twin of towers...seems like a cheap way out when so much money is already going in.

I'm only kidding of course ... I'm not a big fan of twin towers either, they just don't do it for me.

Hopefully we are getting closer to seeing new Al Burj design huh ... Surely we have got to see something soon now that there is real activity at the site ... ??

Official: Al Burj to be launched in March. (but not announced yet)

Imre: Do you care to send me some hi-res pics again, of the construction site, for printing in a certain magazine again? :) Thank you.

I'll PM you the details if you want to do this.

Thanks.

I'll PM you the details if you want to do this.

Thanks.

A Dubaian Being Polite means only one thing ! :ohno: he wants it for free ! :lol::banana::cheers:

I'm sorry, you must be mistaking me for, er, someone like Dubai Boy. I'm from the UK. ;)

waitin big imre to update the site soon :) BTW thnx for info NAZ_UK

:banana::banana::banana:

Official: Al Burj to be launched in March. (but not announced yet)

Where did you get that info from. Did you take someone from Nakheel for drinks at the Burj Al Arab or something.

Can't really say.

Let's just say that Nakheel are not very happy.

And my new New Year's resolution (after the Universe) is to try my best to make Nakheel as unhappy as possible. Obviously not as much as they're making Dubai's population unhappy currently, that would be impossible! :bash:

I will try to go there soon, last time I saw something and I want to check :)

^^ Thanks. If you get into any trouble and we will send over Omaro's friend :lol:

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs24/i/2008/027/7/3/Objectivity_by_Omardxb.jpg

Official: Al Burj to be launched in March. (but not announced yet)

Imre: Do you care to send me some hi-res pics again, of the construction site, for printing in a certain magazine again? :) Thank you.

I'll PM you the details if you want to do this.

Thanks.

Naz UK has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.:lol:

I sent you an email :)

Could you send me your email address because the email came back

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

maybe I was wrong or that is also full :)

location:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/11/alfurjanmasterplanrk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Naz UK has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.:lol:

I sent you an email :)

Could you send me your email address because the email came back

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

maybe I was wrong or that is also full :)

That's nasty :lol:

location:

Well I think this is a very smart move by them.. that is if you believe in global warming and sea level rise over the next 100 years.. To build further away from the sea, this new location.

Cheers,

Tom

Awesome render Imre!

What views Al Burj will have :nuts: This is a great / smart location for sure when u really study where it's at!

IMRE - My inbox should be ok now, but you can send me the high-res pics to my work email address, as I gave to you last time round...cheers. I'll make sure you get acknowledged for the pics this time. :D

I love the way the tower will be in the direct flight path of JXB too. :D

IMRE - My inbox should be ok now, but you can send me the high-res pics to my work email address, as I gave to you last time round...cheers. I'll make sure you get acknowledged for the pics this time. :D

ok, just send me your email again because I am not sure:)

French company Soletanche Bachy is tipped to win the piling and foundations contract for what is expected to become the tallest building in the world, Nakheel’s Al Burj, sources close to the project told Construction Week on Tuesday.

With initial designs putting Al Burj, or the Tall Tower, at over a kilometre high, the building will easily overtake Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai as the world's tallest.

The Burj Dubai is expected to be around 900metres upon completion at the end of this year, although the final height remains a closely guarded secret.

A spokesperson for Nakheel denied an official award had been made, but confirmed the French company had begun some work on the project.

The spokesperson said testing work had been done on site and an official launch was planned in March.

A source at Soletanche Bachy’s Dubai office confirmed the Tall Tower was among the projects it was working on.

It is common practice in the region for companies to start work on projects prior to actually winning the contract.

Al Burj was initially planned to form part of the Dubai Waterfront development, but the location was moved to between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/509655-work-begins-on-nakheels-al-burj?ln=en

Such a nice industrial area.

its a wonder no one decided to build there before.

great article helghast...

IMRE - My inbox should be ok now, but you can send me the high-res pics to my work email address, as I gave to you last time round...cheers. I'll make sure you get acknowledged for the pics this time. :D

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/509655-work-begins-on-nakheels-al-burj?ln=en

they removed the watermark , I sent you pics without that:)


http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1549/soletanchethumbyr5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think I should send there Omaro's friend:)

^^ Thanks. If you get into any trouble and we will send over Omaro's friend :lol:

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs24/i/2008/027/7/3/Objectivity_by_Omardxb.jpg

^^ i think we should add Arabian business to "open message" thread :ohno:

I found this board there in November 2007

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8032/imresolt205jh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what do you think , it was just a joke? :)

not joke at all

Imre your pics missed the print slot for this week's (Sat/Sun release of) Construction Week, so they'll be appearing in the next issue, like I said, i will make sure you get acknowledged for the pics (the editor even asked me for ur full name)...

Anyhow, thanks again for the pics and for breaking the story.

Nakheel tight-lipped on Burj Dubai rival
by Joel Bowman on Wednesday, 30 January 2008

TALLEST TOWER: An initial artist's impression of Nakheel's Al Burj.Dubai-owned developer Nakheel on Wednesday remained tight-lipped about details of its rival to the Burj Dubai, refusing to reveal the building’s final height, when it will be finished or even its name.

Work has now begun on the site of the building, commonly called Al Burj or the Tall Tower, intensifying speculation over whether Nakheel is planning to take the Burj Dubai's crown as the tallest building in the world.

According to initial designs that put Al Burj at over a kilometre high, the building would easily overtake Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai as the world's tallest.

The Burj Dubai is expected to be around 900 metres upon completion at the end of this year, although the final height remains a closely guarded secret.

A spokesperson for Nakheel said the company was still finalising details for the structure and was unable to reveal its height or when it would be completed.

"They're [the details of the project] not yet available," the spokesperson told ArabianBusiness.com.

On the name of the building, the spokesperson said Al Burj was a "working title".

Previous reports have stated the project will be officially unveiled in March, but the spokesperson said that date was unrealistic and a launch would more likely take place "sometime toward the end of the first half of this year".

The Al Burj project has been under development for some time, first announced back in 2006.

The tower was initially planned to form part of the Dubai Waterfront development, but the location was moved to between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road.

Magazine Construction Week on Tuesday revealed French company Soletanche Bachy was tipped to win the piling and foundations contract for Al Burj, citing sources close to the project.

RELATED: Work begins on Nakheel's Al Burj

Initial designs for the tower indicate there will be 228 floors, a four level basement and one service sub-level.

The total built up area will be 1.49 million square metres, with 492,000 square metres of usable space. The development will house offices, apartments and hotels.

The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three level function area and three service floors.

location:

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So, the Arabian Canal will be "crossing" SZR in front of Ibn Battuta. What about the metro?

30/January/2008

Al Burj, steel yard:)

they will use the same piling test like the Pentominium , Osterberg Cell (O-Cell) or similar

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Thanks for the info Imre, Dubai_Steve.

That board says the foundations of Al Burj will be 148.65 -151.55m deep.. Pretty much what I had guessed (which was about 150m).

I'm still wondering if there are plans for other towers in and around Al Burj 'cause that would certainly make a lot more sense than some of the stories I've been hearing about this building. I'm also beginning to wonder if Al Burj has been greatly downsized in height due to its new location.. I think that could be a real possibility.

I am convinced that the power station etc. will be removed and developed into prime sea front land with Al Burj over looking it. I wonder what the plans are for the alternative plant.

^^ The plans are already drawn, it will be after Waterfront on the Dubai - Abu Dhabi border. We knew about it for a year or so, what we didn't is that the existing one would be moved either partially or totally.

This project (al burj) has not been lauched yet and we are already on page 69. I wonder how many more pages is it going to be before it is completed.

^^ I wonder if that new one will it be a nuclear station in 2023 /2025 or something else much earlier than that ?

This project (al burj) has not been lauched yet and we are already on page 69. I wonder how many more pages is it going to be before it is completed.

A lot! Burj Dubai has 28 threads on the world forum, the current one has 169 pages and almost 1 million views.

30/January/2008

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This one is interesting. These rebar cages are square instead of circular. Looks like they are going to make slurrywalls as a foundation. (slurrywalls are also used on the Chicago Spire). But most of the time these slurrywalls are only for holding the ground and water out of the constructionsite. So this should be interesting to follow.

What is a slurrywall ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry_wall

^^ They will do a slurrywall for the site perimeter which here is always done first, before work on the faundations starts.

What's the advantage of a slurrywall against a secant wall?

I am really disappointed from the location of this tower. Its in the middle of nowhere, next to Discovery Gardens and Power Lines... i mean c'mon. we should have more skyscrapers around it. It wont look good that far from the Marina and the location makes no sense... it looks like they were desperate to find a location and just threw it in there. And not to mention that the traffic problems in the gardens are increasing and all we need now is more trucks. I would relocate it somewhere in Downtown Dubai or think of a new downtown for it. I would also like to mention: What the hell is up with all the downtowns? There should be one downtown not 5 different downtowns. What are people on in this country? I mean next to Discovery Gardens? this is a joke. Really disappointed with the location. Should have been in place of the sharp(triangular) tower that has never been built at Business Bay.

OR: The empty site behind the SZR. Create Downtown Al Burj. it would look wayy better than the current site!!

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2942/imresolt019pw9sa1.jpg

^^ So you figure that the area around Al Burj is just going to stay as it is? Remember what the BD area looked like when it was first launched....

Yes, but at least we knew there will be Downtown Burj Dubai... we dont have any plans for the site at Al Burj. So thats where they differ.

I am really disappointed from the location of this tower. Its in the middle of nowhere, next to Discovery Gardens and Power Lines... i mean c'mon. we should have more skyscrapers around it. It wont look good that far from the Marina and the location makes no sense... it looks like they were desperate to find a location and just threw it in there. And not to mention that the traffic problems in the gardens are increasing and all we need now is more trucks. I would relocate it somewhere in Downtown Dubai or think of a new downtown for it. I would also like to mention: What the hell is up with all the downtowns? There should be one downtown not 5 different downtowns. What are people on in this country? I mean next to Discovery Gardens? this is a joke. Really disappointed with the location. Should have been in place of the sharp(triangular) tower that has never been built at Business Bay.

OR: The empty site behind the SZR. Create Downtown Al Burj. it would look wayy better than the current site!!

I disagree Shadow|Reaper. While I do agree Al Burj is going to look kind of weird next to Discovery Gardens/power station, etc, I think these are only short term problems. In the longer term, I think this new site is probably the right choice. Business Bay would be a good choice, but then that would bring Al Burj a lot closer to Burj Dubai... Not sure how Emaar would feel about that? You have to remember, the power station will be moved, I mean they're not going to leave it there with Al Burj right next door, and when it's moved they will have prime waterfront real estate to build on and this will only compliment Al Burj. Sure it will take a long time to move the power station but it will also take years to build Al Burj, so I think this will balance itself out in the end. I happen to like the idea of Al Burj towering over the Marina. I'm sure a small community will automatically spring up around Al Burj as well. Anything bigger than Burj Dubai will attract a lot of people/business believe me. The only thing I'm really concerned about is will Al Burj take a big cut in height due to this location?

You are so right Tate, and I can see the triangle surrounde by the arabian canal and al burj from one side, the marina from the other, and the sea from the 3rd side, being developed into one of the best areas in all of Dubai. I also can see the canal, where it passes infront of Al Burj, becoming much wider than what we see in existing plans.

Yes, but at least we knew there will be Downtown Burj Dubai... we dont have any plans for the site at Al Burj. So thats where they differ.

Um...don't forget that Al Burj hasn't even been launched yet. Of course they aren't going to release plans for the surrounding area BEFORE they launch this tower. The only reason we know where it is going at all is because of the work of people like Imre. I find it very unlikely that they will just launch this tower without a plan for the area around it. That plan of course will include the Arabian Canal, so this area WILL be changing.

The only thing I'm really concerned about is will Al Burj take a big cut in height due to this location?

That makes no sense, logically, and is also completely contrary to what we have heard through the leaks. Why would this location mean a height reduction? They moved it AWAY from the airport.

That makes no sense, logically, and is also completely contrary to what we have heard through the leaks. Why would this location mean a height reduction? They moved it AWAY from the airport.

Well, I've never been to Dubai so I really wouldn't know, but I've been told that this location is still in the direct flight path of the airport... From what you're saying then that's clearly not true.

^^ No...the new site is about 17 KM from the new airport, whereas the old site was only about 12 KM. But more significantly, the path from the airport to here is perpendicular to the runways, whereas for the old site, the runways pointed straight at it. So the move very much REDUCES the airport trouble, which is probably the main reason they made the move.

^^ Thanks for the info Hollie Maea. Much appreciated.

Geeeez you'd think the person who told me this would know as she is a regular visitor to dubai and keeps well up to date on all these projects. :|

How do you feel about this site for Al Burj anyway? As I was saying earlier, I like this location and I think it will work out just fine given time. I think people need to think at least 8-10 years ahead and try and imagine what can be..

^^ The plans are already drawn, it will be after Waterfront on the Dubai - Abu Dhabi border. We knew about it for a year or so, what we didn't is that the existing one would be moved either partially or totally.

i hope another dubai marina :) in that area

Dubai's real estate ambitions soar higher

1 February 2008

DUBAI - Even as this west Asian metropolis awaits the completion of the Burj Dubai, the world’s tallest building, towards the end of this year, work on its rival, also in Dubai, has started.

French firm Solantache Bachy has started work on the building, tentatively named Al Burj or “Tall Tower”, being developed by the Dubai government-owned real estate giant Nakheel, according to local media reports.

When completed, the Al Burj will be over a kilometre tall and will compete with Emaar Properties’ Burj Dubai, which is unofficially the tallest manmade structure in the world as of now.

Though Emaar has kept the Burj Dubai’s final height a closely guarded secret, it is expected to be 900 metres tall when completed.

Although the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat officially recognizes the height of a building only when it is completed, the Burj Dubai, being built at a cost of $4.2 billion, surpassed the CN Tower in Toronto, Canada, as the world’s largest free-standing structure in September last year. A spokesman for Nakheel told Construction Week magazine that Solantache Bachy has started testing work on the site of the Al Burj.

Previous reports suggested that Nakheel would officially unveil the project by announcing the award of the contract in March, but another Nakheel official told the Arabian Business website that a more realistic date would be towards the end of the first half of this year.

Initial designs show the Al Burj as having all of 228 floors with a four-level basement and one service sub-level. According to Construction Week, the total built up area will be 1.49 million square metres, with 492,000 square metres of usable space. The development will house offices, apartments and hotels.

The highest habitable floor will be at 850 metres, which will be topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors.Though the super-tall structure was originally proposed to be built in the Dubai Waterfront area, the location has now been moved to between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road, an area marked by a large number of skyscrapers.

Meanwhile, head of Nakheel’s building division Robeert Lee told local media in an interview that the Al Burj would be a combination of offices and residential apartments.

yeah, i agree, there will most likely be some skyscrapers around or it will look far to out of place. I have to agree with Hollie about future plans for area and that its not just some desperate spot. Actually for power though, what were hearing in America is that dubai wants to harness the sun's and pretty much go solar. Also I think hydro-electric. Maybe someone can clear me up a little up on this. So as for the power plant, seems like it could be partially replaced with something a little more sustainable.

it seems to me that all the regional press there read skyscrapercity.com for definitive sources for their articles and nothing from the horse's mouth.that height estimate of 1050m is not true and from what i understand from the companies involved in this project like VDM...et.al.this thing is gonna be a mother of all skyscrapers including the mighty BD("blow any other competing tower into the sea").

the good thing here is the location,it allows them to reach 4 the sky.lots of exciting times ahead folks!!!

I would not be surprised to see 1.2 to 1.6 km high.

I hope that solar and hyrdo electric will be the way forward for Dubai rather than nuclear. It is certainly possible to do now or in a few years time.

Dubai won't build any nuclear plants, they will be built in Abu Dhabi and linked to the seven Emirates

I would not be surprised to see 1.2 to 1.6 km high.

1 mile = 1.609344 km
But that would put it at twice the height of BD... Would this be technological fesiable? The total budget for the Burj Dubai project is about $4.1 billion US, So if the AB project was to go to 1.6 km your looking at 10 billion US just on this one tower project. And that would bring in the financial feasibility of such a undertaking.

Cheers,

Tom

1 mile = 1.609344 km
But that would put it at twice the height of BD... Would this be technological fesiable? The total budget for the Burj Dubai project is about $4.1 billion US, So if the AB project was to go to 1.6 km your looking at 10 billion US just on this one tower project. And that would bring in the financial feasibility of such a undertaking.

Cheers,

Tom

i'm very sure that it is possible today to build a 1600m tall tower. the only problem could be the money :)

Yes, it is possible to build a tower 1600m, but as u say, the main problem would be the money. A tower this big would most probably cost between 8 - 10 billion U.S. dollars.

If Al Burj hits even anywhere near those heights then it's adios Burj Dubai! :D

we have to see the design, i just hope it's very cool looking. it would suck if the design looked some what similar to the original

^^ I agree, I am hoping for a completely new design concept.

As much as I'm hoping for a complete redesign that will blow us out of the water, honestly, i sorta don't have high hopes on it now that I've thought about it. A tower so big would probably be considered experimental arch and arch engineering and with a structure so massive. They may play it safe with basic geometries. I also say that because a tower that big will have a lot of forces acting in every direction and its already been proven that cylindrical shapes are the best to counteract the dynamic loads especially at those proposed heights where there will be a lot of wind forces. To think about it from top to bottom is like this...

1. massive dynamic loads pushing the structure over that decreases towards ground
2. even more static loads (both live and dead)pushing it down that increases towards ground

So a cylinder would help with the dynamic loads significantly. Simple geometries would ensure a more balanced top as well as an even load on the bottom. There will probably be a steel ball at the top too to help with balance I'm guessing, so there needs to be room for that. For a gorgeous building, they should really send models to Japan where they have the highest tech to produce these effects of nature and do numerous tests.

As much as I'm hoping for a complete redesign that will blow us out of the water, honestly, i sorta don't have high hopes on it now that I've thought about it.

Forgive me if I put more stock in people who have actually seen the new design and say it is great....

:O I didn't know people in the threads have seen it yet!!!!!! I wish someone would leak some info. But anything will be better than the old one haha.

I was assuming it would be very similar in shape. Maybe a more modern cladding and some bells and whistles.

Thanks Hollie for correcting me!!!

anyone saw the new design !!

^^SA Boy i think

^^SA Boy i think

They will release information in March about this project, right?

with 2km luxuriest downtown in whole world LOL

They will release information in March about this project, right?

i wouldn't be so sure about that, but at least there's a chance ^^

Picked this up from waterfront website

http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/launch_slides/DSC_8047.jpg

http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/launch_slides/DSC_8071.jpg

http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/launch_slides/DSC_8076.jpg

I guess this tower will be located in waterfront for sure

No that is a very old photo!

It has been redesigned and relocated since then.

May be i am not aware ..

Let the truth be told guys / gals, this is the one we're all really waiting for. :) We may be waiting some time to see new Al Burj design yet though ...

I wonder what they did with all those old Al Burj models? [in above photos] I'd like one of those for the hallway as we're redecorating at the moment. :D

I guess this tower will be located in waterfront for sure

i think that isn't waterfront...but in the middle of the water... :D:D

I'm waiting for the new proposal, but IMO i like the name 'Al Burj' rather than 'Tall Tower'.... ;)

I wasn't a big fan of the old design. hopefully the new one is nicer

i'm quite sure it will be, though i was also a big fan from the old

I wasn't a big fan of the old design. hopefully the new one is nicer

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

i'm quite sure it will be, though i was also a big fan from the old

GOOD THING! It's Nakheel, we all know it's only gonna get worse from here on out! Design One always = the best plan, Design Two = a watered down version of the first, and Design Three = a completely warped version of the original that retains almost none of the features that made the original stand out as much as it initially did.

I wasn't a big fan of the old design. hopefully the new one is nicer

Really? I thought the old design was awesome! It's real difficult to say what's gonna happen now ... just hope the new design is better, and hope that new Al Burj is considerably taller than Burj Dubai. :D

The UK's Hyder Consulting is designing a structure that will be twice as tall as the Burj Dubai, according to a consultant involved with the project - making it by far the tallest tower in the world.

Speaking at MEED's Arabian World Construction Summit in Abu Dhabi, Andy Davids, Hyder Consulting's director of structures, confirmed that the tower would be located in the Middle East region, but would not give any further details.

Hyder has been working on Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai, which is under construction in Dubai and due to be completed at the end of 2008.

Burj Dubai reached 598.5m and 158 floors last month, over 90m higher than the world's tallest building, Taiwan's Taipei 101 and more than 40m higher than the world's tallest free-standing structure, Toronto's CN Tower. Its final height is rumoured to be 818m.

Kingdom Holding Company has proposed a skyscraper in Saudi Arabia's Jeddah, the Mile High Tower, which would rise to 1,600m if completed.

Other super-tall buildings planned in the Gulf are Burj Mubarak Al-Kabir in Kuwait's City of Silk, which is expected to hit 1,001m, and Al Burj in Dubai, which is planned to reach 1,200m

upppps -in that case they will have to match that height of the one in Jeddah if they dont want to be in the "second row" ...

All of the above speculation is just rubbish. The design has to be ready, it's not an easy process to alter blueprints for such a monster. All of these towers have been announced a long time ago. The developers must have taken them into account.

Nakheel. Al. Burj. Show. Design. Now. Or I'll visit you myself.

unbelieveable how many 1000m + towers are going to be build in the near future :nuts:

Really? I thought the old design was awesome! It's real difficult to say what's gonna happen now ... just hope the new design is better, and hope that new Al Burj is considerably taller than Burj Dubai. :D

In my opinion the strait bold look of the old design made the tower seem intimidating and not so welcoming. It was just tall.
I did like the 3 connected tower idea. Just maybe done in a different way with more attention to the massings.

But thats just my opinion. Don't hate me. Haha

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

more laugh not good for ur health if ur smoker ...:)

unbelieveable how many 1000m + towers are going to be build in the near future :nuts:

is it the time for star war 3000:lol:

Al Burj to surpass Burj Dubai as world's tallest tower


Al Burj to surpass Burj Dubai as world's tallest tower: Nakheel, one of the largest real estate developers in the Middle East has commenced work on ‘Al Burj’ or the ‘Tall Tower’ in Dubai, which when complete would be the tallest building in the world, surpassing Emaar Properties’ ‘Burj Dubai’.

Nakheel has still not finalized the details for the structure of the building; Al Burj’s height and date of completion remain a closely guarded secret. However initial plans put the building at over one kilometre high. The current tallest building, Burj Dubai which too is located in the emirate of Dubai in the UAE, is expected to around 900 metres upon completion by the end of 2008.


----Al Burj----------------VS-------------Burj Dubai----

Project ‘Al Burj’ was launched in 2006 and was initially planned to be part of the Dubai Waterfront development, but was later shifted to a location between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall on Sheikh Zayed Road. The tower would be officially unveiled sometime during mid-2008.

The total built up area of Al Burj will be 1.49 million square metres, with 492,000 square metres of usable space. This real estate development in Dubai will offer house offices, apartments and hotels. The top habitable floor will be at 850 metres, topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three level function area and three service floors.

In my opinion the strait bold look of the old design made the tower seem intimidating and not so welcoming. It was just tall.
I did like the 3 connected tower idea. Just maybe done in a different way with more attention to the massings.

But thats just my opinion. Don't hate me. Haha

A lot of people complained that old Al Burj had a "cold" feel about it ... almost like an old communist tower block or something, but I really liked it to be honest. It looked monstrously big / bulky and just made a massive impact upon the spectator I think, but Oh well, new Al Burj is bound to be pretty awesome so gotta roll with it. Anyway, just as long as it's taller than Burj Dubai. :D

We all have our own opinion and that's the fun part. :)

Hate u with a passion now!! :bash: ... U must pay!! :bash:

Only kidding rg :)

yeah the old design seems to capture the feeling of the old WTCs. Just these big monolithic blocks. Nothing great about the design (nothing at all for design in that matter lol) but their fame and awe was the simply the size of the project. I guess that's why I'm really hoping for something far more modern...big bulky monolithic blocks (square or cylindrical) seems far to 70s/80s skyscraper design.

I am not expecting a facade covered in shinny reflective glass. With a Tower this size, I imagine it will be prohibitive to do this due to the cost of materials in accomplishing such a feat. The BD is an extreme example. Most other supertalls have a much lower ratio of glass vs. other materials making up their exterior with one exception being the recently toped out SWFC

That said, developers and designers are becoming more environmentally friendly and focus on self sustainability is increasing. The benefits to the thermal efficiency of a structure of the size of AB may warrant an approach such as that of the BD. Ultimately we will probably be looking at approx 3 times the surface area compared to BD...

What do you think?

There is an extremely efficient way of cladding that Europeans have adopted and I believe it is called Double Skin Walls aka "intelligent facade". Basically, you have the inner cladding where the people are and then there is an air cavity that circulates the air. The outer layer is yet another cladding that is adjustable so the people can control whether or not they want their room to be exposed to the sun (sorta operates like blinds). This also has benefits because the radiant heat is trapped in the air cavity instead of in the building. Its extremely expensive but over time, it saves a grip in energy. Basically the whole point is energy savings and interior comforts.

Sadly I highly doubt a building such as Al Burj will have something like this because now instead of for example, the burj dubai taking a year to lay the cladding, now you have to double that. Also the incredible expense it would create on top of the incredible expense this building is going to cost to build anyways.

^^ Those techniques were before the advances in glass layer coatings and integrated insulation films.

Since this thread is frustrating, dull, wants to make me kill myself...


Could somone post a thread whn the new design comes out.

Ok, Thx

Twice as high as Burj Dubai

A Middle Eastern real estate company have asked British firm Hyder Consulting to design a structure that will be twice as tall as the Burj Dubai - making it the world's tallest tower.

Speaking at a construction forum in Abu Dhabi last week, Andy Davids, Hyder Consulting's director of structures, told weekly magazine MEED that the tower would be located in the Middle East region.

Contacted by ArabianBusiness.com on Thursday, Hyder Consulting's design and structures team did not provide any further details on the project.
Hyder has been working on Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai, currently the world's tallest structure being built in Dubai and scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008.

Burj Dubai, which is the world's tallest structure, has now reached a height of 604.9 metres (1985 feet) with 159 floors completed, with a final rumoured height to be 818 metres.

Burj Dubai is currently taller than the world's tallest completed building, Taiwan's Taipei 101 and more than 40 metres higher than the world's tallest free-standing structure, Toronto's CN Tower.

Three proposed sky-scraper projects in the Gulf are taking am at Burj Dubai's crown as the world's tallest.

In Saudi Arabia, Kingdom Holding has proposed the Mile High Tower in Jeddah, which would rise to 1,600 metres if completed.

Burj Mubarak Al-Kabir in Kuwait's City of Silk is proposed to be 1,001 metres and

Nakheel's Al Burj in Dubai is planned to reach 1,200 metres.

ArabianBusiness.com on February 14 published the first aerial films and photos of Burj Dubai's breakthrough the 600-metre mark.

The aerial footage of the landmark building was taken via a helicopter ride over Dubai on February 2, a day after developer Emaar confirmed the 600 metre-mark had been breached.

The newswire is presenting the spectacular films and photographs as part of a landmark special report, The World Exclusive, commemorating the completion of The World islands in Dubai after nearly five years in development.

1200m would be great :), but i don't believe it until i get an official release :)

if its going to be twice the height of the burj, its going to be atleast 1600m. 1200m isnt twice the height of the burj dubai. unless there talking about the Mile High Tower in Jeddah.

^^ It is not Al Burj they are talking about: HYDER CONSULTING it's not involved with Al Burj.

^^ It is not Al Burj they are talking about: HYDER CONSULTING it's not involved with Al Burj.

So you are saying there is a new Burj coming to the market with 1600m in Dubai?! :uh:
That would be best news, because after all Dubai efforts and being the first to reach such super height we dont want to give the title to Jeddah that easy yet! :lol:
Jeez.... what a tough competition going on huh!@#$ :doh::eek2:

^^ Who ever mentioned Dubai?

Sounds more like the "Mile High Tower" in Jeddah

http://www.meed.com/saudiarabia/news/2008/02/kingdom_set_to_approve_mile_high_tower_in_jeddah.html

This is the one that Prince Alwaleed is behind.

Twice as high as Burj Dubai

A Middle Eastern real estate company have asked British firm Hyder Consulting to design a structure that will be twice as tall as the Burj Dubai - making it the world's tallest tower.

Speaking at a construction forum in Abu Dhabi last week, Andy Davids, Hyder Consulting's director of structures, told weekly magazine MEED that the tower would be located in the Middle East region.

Contacted by ArabianBusiness.com on Thursday, Hyder Consulting's design and structures team did not provide any further details on the project.
Hyder has been working on Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai, currently the world's tallest structure being built in Dubai and scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008.

Burj Dubai, which is the world's tallest structure, has now reached a height of 604.9 metres (1985 feet) with 159 floors completed, with a final rumoured height to be 818 metres.

Burj Dubai is currently taller than the world's tallest completed building, Taiwan's Taipei 101 and more than 40 metres higher than the world's tallest free-standing structure, Toronto's CN Tower.

Three proposed sky-scraper projects in the Gulf are taking am at Burj Dubai's crown as the world's tallest.

In Saudi Arabia, Kingdom Holding has proposed the Mile High Tower in Jeddah, which would rise to 1,600 metres if completed.

Burj Mubarak Al-Kabir in Kuwait's City of Silk is proposed to be 1,001 metres and

Nakheel's Al Burj in Dubai is planned to reach 1,200 metres.

ArabianBusiness.com on February 14 published the first aerial films and photos of Burj Dubai's breakthrough the 600-metre mark.

The aerial footage of the landmark building was taken via a helicopter ride over Dubai on February 2, a day after developer Emaar confirmed the 600 metre-mark had been breached.

The newswire is presenting the spectacular films and photographs as part of a landmark special report, The World Exclusive, commemorating the completion of The World islands in Dubai after nearly five years in development.

^^ No doubt this is referring to "Mile High Tower" in Jeddah ...

Prince Alwaleed launches world's tallest tower project

Monday, February 25, 2008 - 3:40:00 AM

SAUDI ARABIA. Kingdom Holding Co, controlled by Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, plans to invite bids before July for contracts to build the world''s tallest tower in Saudi Arabia, a weekly magazine said.

The Mile High tower, which could reach 1,600 metres (5,249 feet) in height, is to be built in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah and may cost up to US$10 billion, the London-based Middle East Economic Digest (MEED) said in its latest issue, citing a source close to the project.

Dubai''s Emaar Properties, the largest Arab developer by market value, is currently building the Burj Dubai, part of the US$20 billion Downtown Burj Dubai project in the Emirate, which it says will be the world''s tallest building.

The Mile High tower could be twice as tall as the Burj Dubai, MEED said.

Yes if Al Burj's current design is only 1200m then I think they should go back to the drawing board and delay the project until they can come up with 1600m or more.

Trust me, the towers design is set...and damn it's big....:runaway:

only one question, Skytower, i know you cannot talk about the project itself, but will it be launched in march?

Thankx, Julito

Imre, is there a paved road close to the site, or the road paralel to the DMCC buildings and Canal Point, leading to the Petrol Station, is as close as you can get to the site?

you mean the mosque location..

They have no choice but to go past 1600m.What is the point otherwise of building a 1200m tower?

^^ I agree, they may as well cancel the whole thing.

Trust me, the towers design is set...and damn its big....:runaway:

Well, if "Mile High Tower" in Jeddah hits 1600m, and I think it will, or close enough anyway, then new Al Burj better be more than damn big! That's if Dubai wants to have / keep WTB of course ... ??

I have to agree with comments above, they won't have any choice now but to go back to the originally proposed 1600m on Al Burj. A 1000 - 1200m tower will serve little or no purpose at all. They won't cancel this project either so they have to build at least double the height of a completed Burj Dubai. :nuts: The thoughts of a 1600m + tower close to Dubai Marina will bring a whole new meaning to "iconic" Burj Dubai will look like a matchbox next to this! :banana:

Yes everything points to 1600 - 2000m now :nuts:

The other insider here said Al Burj will be "much much taller" than Burj Dubai. To me this means more than 40% taller.

I hope we are not dissapointed with 1200m :lol:

1600-2000m is staggering.Would u want to live or work up there cos I sure wouldnt ? !

I hope someone could enlighten me about something I seem to not understand. Why do so many people think height is important? Why would being the tallest building in the world make a building better? I personally hope the building is not too tall; and by this I mean I hope it is not taller than the Burj Dubai.

One more thing: why is this thread titled (and why to people call this building) "Tall Tower?" Doesn't "Al Burj" mean "The Tower?"

^^
A side effect of being on a skyscraper forum. Skyscrapers are tall buildings, so it's natural that people who are interested in them will be interested in height. Another part is seeing something that has never been seen before in the world. Anyway, if you are hoping that is not taller than Burj Dubai, you can start being disappointed now since we already know it will be significantly taller.

Nakheel has stated that they are using "Tall Tower" as a "working title" during the design phase, as they have either not decided or revealed the final name. Yes, "Al Burj" means "The Tower" but it is unlikely that it will end up with that name, or with "Tall Tower" for that matter. Remember that this is not the first time this project has changed name--originally when it was planned for Palm Jumeirah it was called "The Pinnacle".

Hey Lover,

I see Hollie has beaten me to the punch and explained the reasoning behind the title of this tower, and he has done it better than I has planned :)

I feel my personal fascination with this tower is due to the engineering marvel it is and the sheer scale, which completely blows everything we could have imagined so soon after breaking into the 21st century.

Its more than just a game of 'mines taller than yours'. For the people involved in the development and then the construction of it, its the type of dream one does not ever expect to come true in ones lifetime.

Why do so many people think height is important? Why would being the tallest building in the world make a building better?

Publicity.

Imre, is there a paved road close to the site, or the road paralel to the DMCC buildings and Canal Point, leading to the Petrol Station, is as close as you can get to the site?

yes, or you can see the site from the road which goes from the IBN Battuta to the JLT,DMCC offices/Jumeirah Island

Well, to continue what I said (so people are not left wondering why I think height is not important):

I feel as though concentrating on the height of this building will result in problems with other aspects of the tower. Either the building will have functional flaws, will not look very good, will not fit in the with city around it, or even all of these.

I personally think that too many people (forumers, developers, etc.) are concentrating too much on height. What truly makes a building good (and eventually the best in the world) is its design. If the building incorporates certain elements and features, and if it is a part of the whole area around it, then it will be a good building. Once that is accomplished, height will not matter. Even if this building turns out to be 300 metres, people would still enjoy it and it would become a landmark.

I hope Nakheel realizes this before it is too late. I want Dubai to become an world-renowned architectural city due to the architecture. A city that is world-renowned only because of the height of its buildings is a city that does not deserve to have the attention it gets.

I should add, that if this building will become the world's tallest building (which I hope will not happen but I should wait until the design is revealed until I make a decision), I do not think it will gain as much attention as the Burj Dubai. Since the building that achieved the title directly before it might be the Burj Dubai, the world will not care as much since it will be put in the exact same city. Only if Nakheel waits a few years and allows other buildings to snatch the title will this building be able to become a media attention-grabber.

Now we have some thought provoking discussion going on :D

Im just on my way out from a long week at work so will respond later ;)

Tall buildings are green

http://www.ctbuh2008.com/

We are entering a new, vital stage in the development of humanity. Whilst the world is slowly waking up to the realities of the major effects of climate change, there are too-few bodies internationally reacting quickly enough to embrace the changes that are needed to avoid catastrophic results globally. Many are asking; is it already too late?

The built environment as a global entity is the largest single contributor to this situation – the creation and occupation of built form and the determining of the relationship between man and inhabitation; predetermining relationships with transport, infrastructure and quality of life. Cities are the battleground for this fight against catastrophe. On one side of the world we have the rapid urbanization of predominantly rural populations in developing countries; on the other side we have changing social demographics (longer life expectancy, increased number of single people households etc) requiring massive increases in housing in developed countries. We stand at a crossroads in this urban development – do cities accommodate the growth in further urban / suburban spread, or become denser, more concentrated entities, reducing loss of green belt and offering more efficiency in infrastructure provision, transport usage and energy consumption?

The tall building has a crucial role to play in this debate on the urban future. Itself the historical epitome of energy and consumption excess, the typology has the opportunity to re-invent itself as a model for denser, more sustainable cities; concentrated centers of work and life activity. Additionally, the financial and professional investment in each tall building project gives the typology an opportunity to push the agenda for sustainable design, experimental technologies and the real need for post-occupancy monitoring, for the benefit of the built realm as a whole.

The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat – the world’s leading international body in the field of tall buildings – is at the forefront of this push for a more sustainable built form. The 8th World Congress will bring this debate to the very epicenter of urban construction activity globally – Dubai – in order to find answers to the questions posed above.

Only if Nakheel waits a few years and allows other buildings to snatch the title will this building be able to become a media attention-grabber.


Or if the height is 2km, that will stun the World. :)

Hey Lover,

In your latest post it appears to me you really come accross as more anti-height than pro-design. Just because a building is tall, does not mean its going to have a poor design. A classic example of this is the Chrysler Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Building). Although that said, the Chrysler Buildings base is often critisised for being bland and unremarkable. If we used your logic though, it would never have been built and we would never have set eyes upon the beauty which is its spire. Another example is the Twin Towers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center) mof the WTC in New York. They were plain, imposing and almost monolithic but this in a way set them apart and created a symbol for New York City.

Many people thought the original design (http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2005/competitors/al-burj-tower.jpg) of the Al Burj (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj) was amazing and we hope/expect the new design to blow us away like the original did. Many people thought it was rubish though, but thats the 'art' element of architecture, not everyone is going to agree. I did find many of the people that didnt like it did not understand the design though, and were not aware of the hollow core with sky gardens every 150m.

I totally agree with the point you make about height not being everything and how design and function play a crucial role in both the economic and popular success of a tower. I dont agree with the Burj Dubai getting all the attention and the Al Burj being left in its shadow. The Al Burjs shadow will be greater because it is taller!! :D

What I really mean to say is there is just as much chance for one tower to draw more attention than the other. The Burj Dubai is, if we use a final height of 818m, a 60% increase on Taipei 101 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taipei_101) in terms of height. The difference between the propossed height of Al Burj using a figure between the minimum height expected and the maximum height revealed to the public of 1400m, we get a further 70% increase over the top of Burj Dubai. This can be compared to the equivalent of advances related to the use of fibre-optics in telecomunications or microchips for computing.

Finally, if what I know of the design is true, this is going to blow everyones mind away and will be the engineering marvel of our time...

Thank you for your response, dettol (I think the forums are best when there are discussions).

I want to first say that I am not anti-height. I just feel as though too many people are concentrating on height, and nothing else. Sometimes I like certain buildings because of their height, but I also arrive at my judgement by looking at the design. Taipei 101 and the Rose Tower are two examples. They are beautiful towers that are aided by their height. Without their height, they would not be as good as they are. There are a lot of other towers in Dubai that are tall, but are known for their design (i.e.: Chelsea Tower, Burj Al Arab, Emirates Towers).

I just hope that the height of this building will not be the only thing that people think about. I want it to be tall and have a unique, remarkable design. This will make a good tower. It is probably too late to change the design, but I wanted to express what was on my mind.

Bllah, bllah, bllah ... I'll let the pictures do the talking:

March 1st

http://i32.tinypic.com/2ikwtb9.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/j8cr5g.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/8vvu4y.jpg

Yea, this is more like it! Finally, more photos ... thanks Altin :)

Bottom line [and we all know it], Al Burj WILL be MEGA big and WILL "blow" all the rest into touch :D

Time will tell Lover :)

lol AltinD :lol:

Thx for the pics. Your going to have to be the one providing us with them as Imre has been asked by Nakheel not to post any pics of the area and hes not going to until the tower is unveiled. :crazy:

Does anyone know what the large red cylindrical forms are? Could they be for pilling? :uh:

http://i27.tinypic.com/zl4yg2.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7365438@N03/

I am so HAPPY!!!! :D

Looks like 1050m and 228floors...

Now im going to sit back and watch this thread explode!

the new skycity of Dubai
http://i27.tinypic.com/zl4yg2.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7365438@N03/

2 more from the flickr, Al Burj

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3466/2302627979be701fec95sv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9864/2303490738b99463dc64wf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WOAH OMFG WHAT!! GAH IS THIS THE NEW AL BURJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so happy over this new design I dont even know what to say or think!!!!


is that an elevator i see going up the side?!?!? damn, the views!!!

I dont know this is the new render or not , I just found the pics on the flickr.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3466/2302627979be701fec95sv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ AL BURJ is beautiful ... :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Hard to figure out how tall it is, definitely over 1000m for sure I would think, but damn Al Burj is a stunner!! Look at all that glass!! What a sight Al Burj will make close to the Marina ... :D

Definitely not disappointed :)

Hi all.

Love the design !! - BUT .....
I think I will wait for some official news.

1 more of that same design that was on flickr but is now gone ...

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/44149/2004023305557041591_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004023305557041591)

Pier ? - I thought the new location was a distance from the water. Perhaps some major change to the shoreline after the plant is gone ... ?

There was 3 more renders of a different design on Flickr that are now gone.

Here they are ( I saved them before they were removed - :) )

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/46107/2005891583099479034_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005891583099479034)

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/45903/2005821945632866142_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005821945632866142)

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/46014/2005889930916922220_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005889930916922220)

I am a bit suspicious with some renders being there and now gone.

We can only hope the design that is still there is for real - fantastic looking !

^^ Those complete the set of 7 unknown renders.

I find it very intriguing that they were available to the public freely, until Imre caught on to them. I also find it interesting they were removed only minutes after Imre posted the link to the Flickr page... Either someone is trying to create spin or someone made a big mistake in assuming they could store them in a public place without being found out.

Or, these are not the final 'Tall Tower' design... although I think those 'Al Burj' renders are a real project.

EDIT: LOL, posted this in wrong thread :D

only 3 photos left on flickr , they removed 4 pics:)

http://i27.tinypic.com/zl4yg2.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7365438@N03/

This design looks really good but I am worried about the height, it does not look like 1.6km :(

The renders that have been removed look like a mini original Al Burj, completely different to the space rocket design above. Perhaps they may still keep a mini Al Burj at the waterfront?

This design looks really good but I am worried about the height, it does not look like 1.6km :(

That's what I've been thinking ...

The design looks awesome, but I don't see 1600m here. This building looks more about 1000 - 1100m tall. It's taller than Burj Dubai, but I'm beginning to feel a little let down by the height ... :ohno: Hope I'm dead wrong.

If Al Burj is close to the height I am thinking then hopefully dettol was / is right in saying that this may not be final design. Also, these renders show Al Burj right by the water ... maybe these particular renders are old?

Maybe someone purposely put these renders on public view simply to see what kind of feedback they would receive ... hm??

This design looks really good but I am worried about the height, it does not look like 1.6km :(

2 things, 1st this might not even be the actual design. 2nd, looks can be deceiving ;)

Can someone make a photoshop with the new space rocket looking Al Burj design next to a Burj Dubai at around half its height, so we can see how they look. To me it looks like 1200m. But maybe it could be 1200m to the top floor with a 400m spire. :)

If you remember this photo, it had 7 sections and was 1200m. The new design also has 7 sections but also a tall spire feature. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/423549966_c5c80bce33_o.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/zl4yg2.jpg

I thought Al Burj was to be approx. 1200. The 1600 proposal is in Jeddah.

:cheers:

Note the pier in the old model above. The photos that were removed were of a mini Al Burj with 4 sections with a diagram of the pier. Interesting.

I thought Al Burj was to be approx. 1200. The 1600 proposal is in Jeddah.

:cheers:

Yes but we are hoping the new design is to beat that.

I like the 4 sectioned one, not so much the spire looking one.

The design looks awesome, but I don't see 1600m here. This building looks more about 1000 - 1100m tall. It's taller than Burj Dubai, but I'm beginning to feel a little let down by the height ...

BD is said to be 1050m tall... Why go all the way 1.6km when no ones knows whether will it be filled up...


Its going to be one big empty structure if its 1.6km tall

i was doing some calculations and I've got an Est of 100m between that white line. the tower is under 1300m
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8949/23034907380c8bd97d8bowp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Its going to be one big empty structure if its 1.6km tall

What are you talking about it will sell out in a few days even if it was 2km.

i was doing some calculations and I've got an Est of 100m between that white line. the tower is under 1300m
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8949/23034907380c8bd97d8bowp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

But the diagram above does not show the full height, in which case with the spire it could reach 1.6km !

Very Nice looking Tower..

Looks great

Everyone is thirsty for more info on this :cheers:

Any idea of the location ?

The surrounding area prices will shoot very fast and soon now

If you remember this photo, it had 7 sections and was 1200m. The new design also has 7 sections but also a tall spire feature. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/423549966_c5c80bce33_o.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/zl4yg2.jpg

Hey Steve,

Thats original 'Al Burj' design was never 1200m tall, it has 6 sections and a crown which could be counted as a 7th section. It was going to be approx 850m tall. When Cityscape 2007 rolled around, new renders were released showing an updated design with 9 sections and a crown which my understanding was going to be 1050m. The 1200m design everyone has had on their minds since was never unveiled.

I think this new 'Crystal Shard' render is approx 1100m, considering the first desction is 200m, each additional section is 100m (x6) and the spire is 300m. Im probably off by 15m on each section making this 1200m.

Here is the original render showing the 9 section design...
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5282/bdubaiwaterfrontof7.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bdubaiwaterfrontof7.jpg)

Sorry for the confusion guys, I wanted to show all the proposed designs of Al Burj.
The removed ones are the ones NOT being built.
The new design is +1200m....exact height not known...or at least to me!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2304181540_060cd48833_o.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3466/2302627979be701fec95sv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ AL BURJ is beautiful ... :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Hard to figure out how tall it is, definitely over 1000m for sure I would think, but damn Al Burj is a stunner!! Look at all that glass!! What a sight Al Burj will make close to the Marina ... :D

Definitely not disappointed :)

PG, this is in fact not a render of the new 'Tall Tower' or as I like to call it 'Crystal Shard' tower. This render is in fact the stumpy 'Al Burj':

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/46014/2005889930916922220_rs.jpg

Sorry for the confusion guys, I wanted to show all the proposed designs of Al Burj.
The removed ones are the ones NOT being built.
The new design is +1200m....exact height not known...or at least to me!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2304181540_060cd48833_o.jpg

Your post is ambiguous Sky, Is that your account on Flickr?

That is not your account and you want to show us the designs? So you are withholding the designs in your collection due to some agreement with Nakheel?

Is the 'Crystal Shard' design the final design or can YOU not confirm this?

I was waiting for someone to come online and confirm this design. I do not believe your comparison to be accurate. I do not see this render as being any more than 1250m at most.

I have 4 flickr accounts, and I hope you understand the ambiguity?
I DON'T know if this "Crystal Shard" render is the final one or not, but it is the updated one they sent me last week and the one I'm working on for the official site for now until I'm told otherwise.
I really don't know what the height will be and I also don't think the comparison photo is accurate either, but the site will be stating it's taller than 1200m.
How much taller remains to be seen.
We all know what corporate mind games these guys like to play!

Thx for your quick reply Sky.

Yes, corporate mind games are fun, but you know all about those ;)

I deal with mind games at work all day and it is exhausting at times...

Thats it then, we will have to wait for an official announcement to determine total # of floors and other additional info about amenities and scale. Looking forward to it...

I don't think they'll be releasing floors and heights, so it's up to us to find out eh? :|

Hi all.

Love the design !! - BUT .....
I think I will wait for some official news.

1 more of that same design that was on flickr but is now gone ...

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/44149/2004023305557041591_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004023305557041591)

Pier ? - I thought the new location was a distance from the water. Perhaps some major change to the shoreline after the plant is gone ... ?

There was 3 more renders of a different design on Flickr that are now gone.

Here they are ( I saved them before they were removed - :) )

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/46107/2005891583099479034_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005891583099479034)

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/45903/2005821945632866142_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005821945632866142)

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/46014/2005889930916922220_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005889930916922220)

I am a bit suspicious with some renders being there and now gone.

We can only hope the design that is still there is for real - fantastic looking !

Could this be Marina Part 2?:banana::banana::banana:

:banana:, that Cristal Shard design is so wonderful, just perfect for the Al Burj :drool:. they simply have to build it!! and IMO it looks definitely taller than 1200m :)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3466/2302627979be701fec95sv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ AL BURJ is beautiful ... :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Hard to figure out how tall it is, definitely over 1000m for sure I would think, but damn Al Burj is a stunner!! Look at all that glass!! What a sight Al Burj will make close to the Marina ... :D

Definitely not disappointed :)

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)

could u add the sears tower
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2304181540_060cd48833_o.jpg

Oh MY GOD :O

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3466/2302627979be701fec95sv7.jpg

This one's the same as this:

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/46014/2005889930916922220_rs.jpg


This one looks like it has about 150 floors and is between 600m and 700m.
The other one, who knows.

I'm probably on my own here but I prefer the shorter one. It looks like an actual building as opposed to the other which looks like a massive overpowering alien structure, not far from the citadel in HL2

^^I posted that up earlier today, everyone thought that was a render of the Crystal Shard tower but its actually of the Stubby Al Burj as you say.

My guess for the height is a little more conservative. Ive made an estimate of 34 floors per section with the podium being perhaps 6 floors high. Total of 142 floors @ 3.8m = 540m. Add what looks like a 50m spire and I get 590m.

What do you think Malec?

I agree that u shouldn't put everyting into the height and ignore the design.The Empire State Building is small in comparisson to all these others but is so well know all over the world.Will they ever re-make King Kong but with him on top of Burj Dubai this time ?
Very important also is location.It should be in Dubai and not out at Waterfront.I thought the original idea to put it on the Palm was amazing and with the mono rail going through it.What a view from up there.On the other hand I think its good to put these buildings alongside other towers like with Burj Dubai next to BBay.Being right next door gives u a sense of the height when compared to other towers.Also the view from the observation decks are more impressive.Viewing other tall buildings that lead the eye from the top to the bottom.

The new design is +1200m....exact height not known...or at least to me!

The tower is going to be a beautiful imposing iconic monster.

:banana::banana::banana:

So there two different buildings here. What is the second ('stubby al burj')?

Probably a lower rise redesign for The Waterfront (due to the height restriction in that area) where Al Burj was supposed to be originally. Not sure if it has been scraped or will also get a 2nd shorter Al Burj at the waterfront in addition to the Al Burj (aka Tall Tower / "Crystal Shard") at Dubai Marina / JLT.

Nice. I hope this is the redesign. I love it. It's like they heard me