The so called stubby one...is 1050m tall.
It's Al Burj II, the scaled up version after the original design.
This one is NOT being built.
The second one is probable, the one that Nakheel is pushing for and is +1200m.
Even though there is a relocation and a re-design #3...personally I'm still not convinced this will be final design that will be built.
Although groundwork has already begun....HRH always gets his way...and he wants it bigger!
The reasons for this I have highlighted to select people on this forum as not have a thread full of garbage for lack of knowledge and general misconceptions and misunderstandings.
From experience I know what happens when bombshells are dropped here and I don't have the answers, time or resources at the moment to answer general retaliations and spam as this thread has suffered enough already.
Just to make it perfectly clear...the "Shard Design" is the current "Proposal", is over 1200m and is NOT YET APPROVED....regardless of activity at the site.
It's one of two 1000m+ supertalls that will start construction in Dubai this year although still at the late stages of re-design due to one imposing factor! HRH!
It won't get built, until he says YES.

Hmmm...

Ya - Hmmmm .........

It's one of two 1000m+ supertalls that will start construction in Dubai this year

I might be out of the loop, but what is the other 1000+ supertall?

It's not publicly released yet, another Nakhheel tower!

fine with me :colgate:

damn one of two so Dubai will have the worlds 1, 2 , n 3 tallest towers in the world thats just madness in a good way. Also if jeddah is going for 1600 m is it even feasibly possible for nakheel to go for a 2km tower.

another 1000+ m tower??? :crazy2: :nuts:

I'll double that one.

Nakheel did announce that BIG AL will be provisionally 1050m with observation and restaurant floors at around 850m. Their final height will be revealed at the end of construction UNLESS they change their mind on their last claim.

BTW I absolutely LOVE the latest Al Burj, especially that super soaring version. Let's all wait until we get an official revealing from Nakheel before we are sure of what we are or are not sure of.

Here it comes.........................Lotta fun, lotta fun. :lol:
The original 850m+ version was lengthened to around 1200m with the 5 sectioned tower now extended to 7 sections.
Here is the revised model that took it to 1200m.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8864/img0779gg0qo1.jpg

It was re-designed, smaller than the previous re-design at 1050m for another location, but due to aircraft restrictions by the new Dubai World Central Airport it had to be moved again, allowing for another re-design and even greater height.

The so called "stubby" one is definitely a big ass 1050m tall (115m wide)....having checked the original NFO and PNG file, the smaller JPG was in fact slightly unconstrained.
Here's the original.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2306832126_160fd4645e_o.png


^^ This version was the one going on this plot until October 2007:


http://i10.tinypic.com/4xln91g.jpg


Now relocated, the very best bit about what is going on here......


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7792/imresolt137qe3.jpg


is this beast......


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2404/2306260963_6f26fbab4b_o.jpg


:cheers:

1462m!!!!!!!!! Ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyy goddddddddddddd!!! So far, that;s my favorite one too!! So wait, the other one is stumpy al burj without the spire I take it. So many al burj's now.

Thanks for the info Sky!

so I'm guessing stubby al burj is one of the 3 major projects for 08 to say the least. 2 more or just 1 assuming big al is included?

No sorry, Stumpy...(I can't believe I'm calling a 1050m building stumpy) is not being built, the previous plot is being integrated into another project.

nuts, I liked the design of stumpy almost as equally as al burj (just a smidge less dynamic but great none the less)

Hmm, that first one 1200m tall? It has around 180 floors so I doubt it.
The 2nd has around 150 to 160 floors and no spire, no way can it be 1050m high unless the render is completely wrong.
I actually prefer the 2nd one most of all, even though it's the smallest. I couldn't care less how tall this will be, as long as it has a good design.
If the last one really is as big as skytower says then that's just ridiculous. I'm sure it's not very healthy if you have to ascend and descend 1500m very quickly twice a day.

Yeah right,

Even worse if you get down to your car and youv'e forgotten your mobile phone again.....:bash:

Im going to disagree again Sky... :)

Look at the moon! Its not round in the render you posted... its stretched!! Now compare it to the moon in the original render posted yesterday...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6894/moonox2.jpg

PS. I really need to get myself a copy of Photoshop...

Hmm, that first one 1200m tall? It has around 180 floors so I doubt it.
The 2nd has around 150 to 160 floors and no spire, no way can it be 1050m high unless the render is completely wrong.
I actually prefer the 2nd one most of all, even though it's the smallest. I couldn't care less how tall this will be, as long as it has a good design.
If the last one really is as big as skytower says then that's just ridiculous. I'm sure it's not very healthy if you have to ascend and descend 1500m very quickly twice a day.

The first tower with 9 sections and a crown has about 228 floors Malec, 1050m is pretty accurate.

The second is around 600m.

My fave is the third one and if you think its unhealthy, spare a thought for the poor pilots out there :D

well...






i still feel it sucks...new render or not!

Al Burj redesign 3 "The Shard" is my favourite tower design I ever saw. However at 1462m and jeddah going for 1600 I wuld be surprised if HRH approved it yet. Only a few more m would help it beat jeddah but then jeddah may have an extending spire as a trump card. :lol:

Yeah right,

Even worse if you get down to your car and youv'e forgotten your mobile phone again.....:bash:

You could say the same about driving on the SZR and then forgetting. You need to pretend the elevator is part of your commute to work. :D

So this render does not mean anything as of now. If it is not approved, who knows what they might do next. (I have to say i hope they keep it similar to this design here... 1462m!)

Maybe they pretend it is 1462m but really it is more to lull Jeddah into a false sense of security. It is like a game of poker for the big boys :lol:

Wow! This is what a 21st century supertower is supposed to look like. The Burj Dubai is but a prototype.

Maybe they pretend it is 1462m but really it is more to lull Jeddah into a false sense of security. It is like a game of poker for the big boys :lol:

it could be dubai hold'em :lol:

Oh my goodness, it's out. I can only pray they will build the shard. That is the most futuristic building I've ever seen, it makes BD look obsolete!

The spaceship factor is definately there, but that's what I want! These are 21st century buildings, they should be designed as nothing less.

PG, this is in fact not a render of the new 'Tall Tower' or as I like to call it 'Crystal Shard' tower. This render is in fact the stumpy 'Al Burj':

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/46014/2005889930916922220_rs.jpg

Thank u for the clarification dettol.

Both "Stumpy" and "Crystal Shard" look awesome to me! Build both I say! :D

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/wymondham-college)

^^ :nuts: :hahaha:

Sorry for the confusion guys, I wanted to show all the proposed designs of Al Burj.
The removed ones are the ones NOT being built.
The new design is +1200m....exact height not known...or at least to me!

WOAH this will put Burj Dubai in the shade :banana::cucumber::carrot:

... I wuld be surprised if HRH approved it yet. Sheikh Mohammed is an HH ('His Highness'), not an HRH ('His Royal Highness') as he is a Sheikh or Emir and not a royal Prince. Refer his official website (http://sheikhmohammed.ae/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b9dfc4b62dbb4110VgnVCM100000b0140a0aRCRD&appInstanceName=default).
His wife Princess Haya is an HRH because she is a daughter of the late King Hussein of Jordan.

Of course he's not a king, but a sheikh! He's got far too much power to ever be a lowly king!

I really can't wait to see the foot print of this mo-fo! Do any of the few people who know anything about this have any dimensions of the base? I'm sure that alone will make BD's look like a ummm I don't know but something small. OMG I wonder how long the foundation is going to take to construct?

^^^ I estimated the base width based upon a comparison i found on the other al burg thread. I am guessing between 200m and 250m (larger where the 'wings' come out just above the base). I posted the base of the BD on top of al burg here for a comparison. The base base of BD is 160m i think and the first section of the tower is 92m.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3198/23062609636f26fbab4botrgw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hey all!

Thought I would spread the word on the latest development relating to the 'Tall Tower'...

OK, whats left...design end height of the building. Who are the architects of the new building? Pei Partnerschip i think with the new design! I cant see it on ther website: http://www.ppa-ny.com/projects/jebelAil/Jebel.htm

end its a new name!
Jebel-Ali Tower?
Jebel-Ali Tower and Retail Complex Dubai,United Arab Emirates

This project is one of two flagship developments marking the 2006 launch of Limitless, a new development division of Dubai World. Pei Partnership Architects is honored to have been asked by a former client, now the CEO of Limitless, to help establish the image and standards of his new company. The project is being developed under strict cost constraints. The design brief calls for a mixed-use development of 620 one or two bedroom apartments in two towers of appoximately 47,000m2 each, and rental office space in two towers of approximately 65,000m2each. A feature intended to become a Dubai landmark is the gallery that runs from a street entrance at the south to almost the north end of the complex, a full 285 meters.

Information
-Mixed-used Tower Development
-Primarily residential, the Tower includes a hotel and offices at the lower section and a 10,000,000- square foot mall

???

SOURCE: Pei Partnerschip

So it appears this design has been arround for some time now, at least since 2006. We dont know if its been renamed and relocated or modified in some way.

We will have to wait and see what else falls out of the Sky...

^^ The design brief calls for a mixed-use development of 620 one or two bedroom apartments in two towers...

:ohno: Six-hundred one and two-bedroom flats split over two towers? This is nothing like the Tall Tower. This isn't it.

If it is mixed use, then it is more than just 620 apts.

:ohno: Six-hundred one and two-bedroom flats split over two towers? This is nothing like the Tall Tower. This isn't it.

Definitely not. Hopefully we will see it soon.

... maybe these particular renders are old?

Sucked in and blown out in little bubbles :ohno: :bash:

Sucked in and blown out in little bubbles :ohno: :bash:Another bubble :pet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7365438@N03/2336178688/

^^ From what I understand, Pei Partnership is no longer the architect.

Yeah im still confused. Is Woods Bagot the architect or what?

I guess were right back to the beginning with ...does anyone know wtf is going on with project? lol

I guess were right back to the beginning with ...does anyone know wtf is going on with project? lol

Those who know can't say. From the perspective of this forum yes we are back at the beginning (with the banning of skytower the only result of the saga of the pictures we saw). On the other hand, with every day that passes, we come closer to the day when this tower is unveiled :cheers:

Well Saudi are definately going ahaead with the mile high tower, so Dubai will need to match or beat this.


"Riyadh-based Kingdom Holding, which is controlled by Saudi billionaire Prince al-Walid bin Talal, will invite bids before July for contracts to build the tower in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's commercial capital.

MEED said that although there was still secrecy over which companies were involved with the project, it was believed that Britain's Hyder Consulting was working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project, which was expected to cost up to $US10 billion ($10.7 billion).

US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the "Mile-High Tower", as it is known. Saudi firm Omrania is the project architect."

Those who know can't say. From the perspective of this forum yes we are back at the beginning (with the banning of skytower the only result of the saga of the pictures we saw). On the other hand, with every day that passes, we come closer to the day when this tower is unveiled :cheers:So much for Sky being all powerful then i guess.

On another note....If there is a thread on SSC that makes me suicidal, this one takes the cake.

Well Saudi are definately going ahaead with the mile high tower, so Dubai will need to match or beat this.


"Riyadh-based Kingdom Holding, which is controlled by Saudi billionaire Prince al-Walid bin Talal, will invite bids before July for contracts to build the tower in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's commercial capital.

MEED said that although there was still secrecy over which companies were involved with the project, it was believed that Britain's Hyder Consulting was working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project, which was expected to cost up to $US10 billion ($10.7 billion).

US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the "Mile-High Tower", as it is known. Saudi firm Omrania is the project architect."


hmmm interesting...I didn't realize that project got so serious. And whats the population there? Seemed like a lot of empty land to plop a 1600 m tower on lol.

LOL Fallen, I totally agree. Every time I open this thread, I bang my head on the desk. I don't even know if to be interested in this project anymore or not lol.

WTF !!!

Skytower is banned ?

For what ? - showing some pics that he may or may not have thought were for real ? Must be more to it than that ...

I know there are some here who had disagreements with the guy but no one here can argue with the fact that he contributed more info on the Burj Dubai than anyone else.

I keep tabs on alot of structures ( with the Burj Dubai being my favorite ) and I have far more info, blueprints, etc. on the Burj than any other almost entirely because of Skytower.

I for one hope this banning is not permanent .....

:ohno:

So much for Sky being all powerful then i guess.

On another note....If there is a thread on SSC that makes me suicidal, this one takes the cake.

It turns out that the stuff he said about having been given access to the server and so forth wasn't true.

Anyway, if you can keep your finger off the trigger a bit more longer, hopefully this thread will make it all worth it :cheers:

It turns out that the stuff he said about having been giving access to the server and so forth wasn't true.

Anyway, if you can keep your finger off the trigger a bit more longer, hopefully this thread will make it all worth it :cheers:
Only a poorly designed Al Burj could cause me to pull. :)

^^ Then you have nothing to worry about. Since I've been on this site I've never seen SA Boy call a design good that ended up being bad.

It turns out that the stuff he said about having been given access to the server and so forth wasn't true.

A clue!!!

On the other hand, with every day that passes, we come closer to the day when this tower is unveiled :cheers:

only problem is we don't know when this day will be :D

^^ But we know that you'll be there to mark the day :D

but, isnt it going to be unveiled sometime in this month. because i remember someone saying this month the design will be revealed ?

^^ Initial rumors were that it would be unveiled this month. But some statements backed off that claim and suggested that it could be delayed a few weeks. We don't know for sure; it could be this month or it might be as late as the end of may.

I am not keeping any hope, actually I don't care much and will continue to do so untill it will actually happen.

However that doesn't mean I don't check the site from SZR every day while driving by. Today I think I saw more machineries then usual.

I go through there everyday, same thing, all they've done is remove a couple of giant wiring poles. Cranes seemed same to me. But you might be right, ill have a closer look tomorrow.

I for one hope this banning is not permanent .....

:ohno:

Well you got your wish, Fury. He's already back with a new account. This time he's pretending to be some head honcho on the "Dancing Towers" project. :ohno:

^^the guy needs an urgent psychiatric evaluation.he has serious issues which if not diagnosed and checked now could lead to a cataclysmic social disturbance where he lives :D

Those who know can't say. From the perspective of this forum yes we are back at the beginning (with the banning of skytower the only result of the saga of the pictures we saw). On the other hand, with every day that passes, we come closer to the day when this tower is unveiled :cheers:

Exactly. It's perfectly understandable too though. Lord knows this thread is so frustrating, at times, but you're right Hollie Maea, with every day passing we do get that little bit closer to seeing Al Burj. Hope it will be well worth the mountain of speculation - not to mention aggravation that it has caused ... but I'm sure it will. :)

^^the guy needs an urgent psychiatric evaluation.he has serious issues which if not diagnosed and checked now could lead to a cataclysmic social disturbance where he lives :D

LOL He needs that and a lot more imo! Deliberately misleading people on one of the most eagerly anticipated towers ever is definitely not good!! :bash:

CT-scan urgently needed there!! :D

An area encompassing 815 acres of desert land in Dubai has been designated as the site for the development of Waterfront City, a new enclave on the western edge of the emirate. Dubai-based real estate developer Nakheel is behind the endeavor, which will give rise to a 1.4 billion-square-foot self-contained town that will reportedly cost approximately $50 billion to complete.

At the core of Waterfront City will be the five-block Central Island District, which will be flanked by the Boulevard, Madinat Al Soor, the Resort and the Marina districts. Designed by architect Rem Koolhaus Office for Metropolitan Architecture in The Netheralnds, the development is being conceived as compact metropolis to accommodate an anticipated population of 92,000, the estimated 310,000 employees who will work in the city and any number of visitors. In addition to residences, the city will offer retail, cultural venues and office space. A vast mosque area and a central park will also be incorporated into the master-planned community.

The pedestrian friendly development's infrastructure has been carefully contemplated, as well. Efficient modes of access to Waterfront City, as well as convenient means of movement within the city, are being incorporated into the plan. The districts will be linked by a multi-faceted public transportation city, and there will be a direct connection to Al Maktoum International Airport which, upon completion, will be the city's main airport hub.

Dubai is exploding with new development, due in no small part to its rapidly expanding population. Among the other prominent endeavors in the works is the $20 billion mixed-use Burj Dubai mixed-use tower which, at 130 stories, will be the tallest building in the world, as per developer Emaar Properties.

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/content_display/regions/international/e3i3bc7fc829eed88ab30e7d28cd4e740d4

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No mention of Al Burj.... but then again they reported "Burj Dubai mixed-use tower which, at 130 stories" and we all know BD is now at 161, so im not sure how much to put into this article.

^^ Of course Al Burj has not be mentioned there ... it is NOT part of the Waterfront city, and we know that very well for months now.

I wish they built similar thing around Al Burj next to the marina.

what do you mean......Al burj will be next to the Dubai marina ^^

Al Burj will be next to JLT and Discovery Gardens and opposite of Dubai marina. Thats what i mean, and then i said they fill the empty space around where Al Burj will be built with more highrise skyscrapers.

So long March :/ Maybe April???

I am not keeping any hope, actually I don't care much and will continue to do so untill it will actually happen.

However that doesn't mean I don't check the site from SZR every day while driving by. Today I think I saw more machineries then usual.

:)Lets hope they will start soon:banana:. If you can take anny pics? But i think ther is still not quite much to see on the site right now:lol:.

Al Burj will be next to JLT and Discovery Gardens and opposite of Dubai marina. Thats what i mean, and then i said they fill the empty space around where Al Burj will be built with more highrise skyscrapers.

http://www.far-flung.co.uk/dubai/images/discoverygardens-map-large.jpg

Dubai developer Nakheel is to build a tower 1,200 metres high, comfortably surpassing the Burj Dubai as the tallest building in the world, a source at a company working on the project has told ArabianBusiness.com.


The source at Australian architects Woods Bagot, which was recently awarded a contract for the project, said the tower is to be located on the Arabian Canal, a $61 billion project being developed by Limitless.

Both Limitless and Nakheel are part of state-owned conglomerate Dubai World.
The source would not reveal the name of the project, which is commonly referred to as Al Burj or the Tall Tower.

Nakheel confirmed to ArabianBusiness.com that it was working with Woods Bagot, but said it could not discuss details about the project.

"We are still finalising the design concept of a new project involving an iconic structure - Woods Bagot are a consultant on this project," Nakheel said in a statement.

"As we are still in the design concept stage, it would be premature to discuss any details at this early stage."

At 1,200 metres high Al Burj would be significantly taller than Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai, which is expected to be up to 900 metres once complete in early 2009, although the final height remains a closely guarded secret.

Speculation over whether Nakheel would trump rival Emaar in the race to build the world's tallest tower has been rife ever since the developer announced the Al Burj project back in 2006.

The tower was initially planned to be over a kilometre high and form part of Nakheel's Dubai Waterfront development, but the location was changed.

The tower is now expected to be built between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall close to Sheikh Zayed Road, according to Construction Week.

The magazine revealed in January that French company Soletanche Bachy had begun piling work on the project.

Nakheel told ArabianBusiness.com the location had yet to be finalised.

"The location of the project has not yet been confirmed, as we are currently conducting test piling to ascertain the suitability of a potential site,” the developer said.

The project is expected to be officially launched "sometime toward the end of the first half of this year", a company spokesperson told ArabianBusiness.com in January.

The Arabian Canal project will include a 75-kilometre canal and extensive waterfront development stretching inland from Dubai Waterfront in Jebel Ali, passing to the east of the Dubai World Central development before turning back towards the Palm Jumeirah.

Limitless is spending around $11 billion to build the canal alone, and another $50 billion on a sprawling 20,000-hectare development that will stretch for 33 kilometres along the inland section of the waterway.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/515739-nakheel-trumps-emaar-with-1200m-tower?ln=en

1200m, a little dissapointing that Dubai will not keep the worlds tallest tower record with the Saudi 1600m tower soon to be under construction.

1200m, a little dissapointing that Dubai will not keep the worlds tallest tower record with the Saudi 1600m tower soon to be under construction.


Firstly,just cos its stated that the building will be 1200m doesnt mean it won't be taller.As with Burj Dubai they aren't going to give too much away.
Secondly,Burj Dubai will at least be the tallest for the next few years.
Lastly,I can see maybe,just maybe Nakheel building a tower at 1200m,
but for the Saudis to go to 1600m?can't see it.Even if its possible to build one,to go to almost 4 times the height of the twin towers is pure madness.

1200m, a little dissapointing that Dubai will not keep the worlds tallest tower record with the Saudi 1600m tower soon to be under construction.

everything over 1000m isn't disappointing for me ^^. al burj has to be taller than burj dubai and taller than 1000m...if 1001 or 1200 doesn't matter for me :)

I'm taking off the height and floor count from the title since all is still speculation.

Even if its possible to build one,to go to almost 4 times the height of the twin towers is pure madness.

Why? All it takes is time, money & the will to do it. There are no technical obstacles. The value of the real estate at the top might even make it ecenomically viable. I'm sure there were people around in the 1960's saying 'to go 2 times higher / 2.5 times faster than a 707 is pure madness' but we still built Concorde. Don't get me started on the Apollo program. The benefits of building towers such as BD, Al Burj or Mile High are not so that others sprout up as high or higher all over the planet, but that towers of much smaller height & buildings of all kinds benefit from the improved construction techniques and safety features for residents. Is that madness?

On a clear day, the view from the top will take in the Middle East, North Africa and the Indian Ocean - providing you've a head for heights.



Plans for a mile-high tower in the Saudi Arabian desert have been unveiled by the billionaire owner of London's Savoy Hotel.

At 5,250ft, the £5billion project, masterminded by two British engineering consultancies, will be twice as high as its nearest rivals, skyscrapers under construction in Dubai and Kuwait, and almost seven times as high as the Canary Wharf tower in London's Docklands.

It is being planned for a new city near the Red Sea port of Jeddah. Behind the scheme is 51-year-old Prince al-Walid bin Talal, who bought the Savoy for £1.25billion in 2005.

The plan gives the Middle East a clear lead over Asian countries and the U.S., who have vied in the past to construct the world's tallest buildings.

None of the other skyscrapers under construction, including New York's Freedom Tower on the World Trade Centre site, will exceed 2,296ft.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/21graphicDM3003_468x301.jpg

The prince's company, Riyadh-based Kingdom Holdings, has set up a joint venture with the London firms Hyder Consulting and Arup.

Experts say the technical challenges are enormous. Much of the lifting will be carried out by helicopters, which will also be used as commuter transport for builders.

The tower will have to be capable of withstanding a wide range of temperatures, with its top baking in the desert sun by day but dropping to well below freezing at night.

To resist the strong winds prevalent in the area and stop it swaying, giving its occupants a form of high-rise seasickness, it will be fitted with a giant computer-operated damper.

Two "mini-towers" - both taller than Canary Wharf - will be built on either side of the main tower.

Linked to it by elevated walkways, they will anchor it and act as stabilisers.

Until recently, the still-under-construction Dubai Tower was expected to be the world's tallest building.

Plans have changed several times to make it higher, but the final version is expected to be 2,300ft with 160 storeys.

^^ This may be nuts to many people but whatever the case it's still going to PISS all over Burj Dubai!! Looks like a rocket!! lol

The first section alone is taller than Eiffel Tower and Canary Wharf :eek2:

everything over 1000m isn't disappointing for me ^^. al burj has to be taller than burj dubai and taller than 1000m...if 1001 or 1200 doesn't matter for me :)

Agree with that! I think the most important thing here is that Al Burj WILL be taller than Burj Dubai. Anywhere from 1001 to 1200m sounds good to me. :)

^^ you mean size is not everything ? :lol:

^^ you mean size is not everything ? :lol:

Absolutely not! lol Quality over quantity any day! ;) :hahaha:

PS: Bear in mind, Al burj doesn't necessarily have to be the one to beat mile-high tower in Jeddah. They can always design another super-tall tower to do this job. Let's face it, Burj Dubai and Al Burj will reign supreme for many years before mile-high is done, but the time will come when Dubai will have to act and build bigger and taller. That's IF Dubai really wants to have the WTB of course????

I think the post by Dubai Steve highlights building to 1200m isnt all that straightforward.Also when built how easy will it be to get people to live/work up there?
Also,God knows when this thing will complete.It will take ages just to reach 1st floor.However,even though it will be years before it overtakes the Burj Dubai height,the fact that a much taller building is under construction,when that happens,will take some of the gloss of the Burj.
I'd sure hate to be on a top floor and find I'd left my appartment keys in the car !

Does anyone really believe the mile-high tower will be under construction anytime soon?

Also when built how easy will it be to get people to live/work up there?
I'd sure hate to be on a top floor and find I'd left my appartment keys in the car !

I'm not sure I get this? The elevators in the BD will ascend / descend at up to 40mph. Modern technologies are making it possible to have longer and longer runs for a single shaft. I could easily imagine for a 1000m+ tower there would only need to be two 'express' shafts to get to the top, rising at up to 60mph. Total time in the elevator would be less than 2 minutes. Even considering time to walk to/from and between elevators, you are talking 5 minutes to get from top to bottom or vice versa. I bet it woould take as long to find a parking space in the car park.

Assa I was joking dont u think.Anyways,not sure how comfortable or safe people will feel living/working so high up.Especially with terrorism.

You will not need keys if you'd leave on that building. Your eye retina and finger print would be your "key".

Here is a crazy thought...

I read somewhere before that if you live this high up you actually travel forwards in time faster than those below. Something to do with relativity along the lines of that below :lol:

"One method of time travel available to the average person today, is a plane trip. Every time you travel in an aeroplane you are travelling on average one four hundredth of a second into the future. This is because of time dilation. The average aeroplane travels at 300mph, at that speed, time dilation is detectable by atomic clocks. In 1971, Joe Hafele and Richard Keating carried out an experiment to show that time dilation was present on an aeroplane. They used two synchronised atomic clocks in their experiment. One clock was kept on the ground while the other was put on an aeroplane for a trip around the world. When the flight was finished they compared the clock on the ground with the one on the plane. They found a one four hundredth of a second difference between them due to time dilation. To travel a week forward in time you would need to travel 241,920,000 times around the world by aeroplane. It was a nice idea for time travel but it simply isn’t feasible."

"Gravitational time dilation has been measured on Earth; observations have shown that clocks on top of a skyscraper run faster than at street level. "

Mon, Apr 07, 2008, 15:45 GMT

Nakheel's Al Burj will reach a height of 1,200 metres on Limitless' Arabian Canal development, according to media reports citing project consultants Woods Bagot.

The new tower will be around 300 metres taller than Emaar's Burj Dubai project, which will set a new world record on completion. "We are still finalising the design concept of a new project involving an iconic structure," Nakheel told a Dubai-based web site.

Source: http://www.zawya.com/printstory.cfm?storyid=ZAWYA20080407050904&l=050900080407

"...observations have shown that clocks on top of a skyscraper run faster than at street level. "

That would explain the scraping of the clock on top of Al Yaqoub Tower.



... it doesn't explain the "disappearance" of the one on top of Time Place though. :runaway:

You will not need keys if you'd leave on that building. Your eye retina and finger print would be your "key".

^^
I'd sure hate to be on a top floor and find I'd left my appartment keys in the car !

And what if u reach your car and then realise u left your car keys in your apartment on top floor? lol ;) :D

Does anyone really believe the mile-high tower will be under construction anytime soon?

No! But it will happen! :yes:

Mon, Apr 07, 2008, 15:45 GMT

Nakheel's Al Burj will reach a height of 1,200 metres on Limitless' Arabian Canal development, according to media reports citing project consultants Woods Bagot.

The new tower will be around 300 metres taller than Emaar's Burj Dubai project, which will set a new world record on completion. "We are still finalising the design concept of a new project involving an iconic structure," Nakheel told a Dubai-based web site.

Source: http://www.zawya.com/printstory.cfm?storyid=ZAWYA20080407050904&l=050900080407

1200m sounds great, but I'd just be extremely happy if we could get to SEE the damn thing first! lol It makes me laugh the way they put these articles out, I mean we don't even know where Burj Dubai will finish yet nevermind Al Burj! lol

Besides, if Al Burj is going to be "around" 300m taller than Burj Dubai then that would take it to 1118m - NOT 1200m! 80m is a big difference! [as I can't see BD going beyond its projected height of 818m]

I hear base price gonna be 6,500 psft

^^


And what if u reach your car and then realise u left your car keys in your apartment on top floor? lol ;) :D

Or if u reached your car,realised you'd left the keys in your appartment,
went back to the top,then when u got there discovered you had your car keys all along in your coat pocket and not your bag like you had thought !?:banana:

1200m sounds great, but I'd just be extremely happy if we could get to SEE the damn thing first! lol It makes me laugh the way they put these articles out, I mean we don't even know where Burj Dubai will finish yet nevermind Al Burj! lol

Besides, if Al Burj is going to be "around" 300m taller than Burj Dubai then that would take it to 1118m - NOT 1200m! 80m is a big difference! [as I can't see BD going beyond its projected height of 818m]

Some pics of the groundworks of the site.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=140598&page=5
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=140598&page=8

^^ Why would you put a link to the SSP (:puke:) when all those pivcures and more were first posted in this same thread.

^^ Why would you put a link to the SSP (:puke:) when all those pivcures and more were first posted in this same thread.

Pure for the comfort (pics are pics).

By the way how is it on the site there "Al Burj" any change?

Some pics of the groundworks of the site.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=140598&page=5
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=140598&page=8

Seen all these pics before [right here actually lol], but thanks for the thought anyway. :)

Or if u reached your car,realised you'd left the keys in your appartment,
went back to the top,then when u got there discovered you had your car keys all along in your coat pocket and not your bag like you had thought !?:banana:

Knew that one was coming! lol What if u come down from top of Al Burj to where ur car should be, realise u have no keys on ur person, turn around and go back up to the top, get ur keys, come back down again, go to ur car area, then suddenly out of the blue like a bolt of lightning u realise u don't actually own a car and that the keys u hold in ur hands are the keys to ur medicine cabinet and that u came by bus after all!? :hammer: :hahaha:

PS: God bless Al Burj and all about to sail in her! :D

^^ Don't you have anything better to do?

^^ Got lots to do today thanks. What u got on???

BTW, it's called a sense of humour! ;)

^^ Don't you have anything better to do?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Knew that one was coming! lol What if u come down from top of Al Burj to where ur car should be, realise u have no keys on ur person, turn around and go back up to the top, get ur keys, come back down again, go to ur car area, then suddenly out of the blue like a bolt of lightning u realise u don't actually own a car and that the keys u hold in ur hands are the keys to ur medicine cabinet and that u came by bus after all!? :hammer: :hahaha:

PS: God bless Al Burj and all about to sail in her! :D

Ok,what if u went to the top,realised you'd left your appartment keys in the car,went back down,got to your car then realised the car keys were in your bag which you had put by your door and forget to pick up.So you went back up,got your car keys then went down to get your appartment keys.Went back up again,pulled out your appartment keys from your pocket.Then you realised that the main key was in your glovebox cos u removed it from the main bunch to get a copy madeand forgot to reatach it.So you go back down and attempt to get the key from the glove box,however in your rush and panic u now realise you put your car keys in your bag and left the bag upstairs again.So u go back up,get the car keys,go down get the appartment key,go back up,then to your horror,oh s..t,u remember,you don't live there anymore cos u just moved yesterday to a ground floor appartment cos u were SICK AND TIRED OF GOING UP AND DOWN LIKE A DAMN YO-YO !!!:nuts:

Ok guys, it's funny. And things almost like that really happen. Actually once, I rushed out of my flat for an important meeting I had to drive to 250 kilometers away. While waiting at the elevator I realized I locked my car key inside with my flat key. Already late for my 250 km trip I thought I needed to rush to the locksmith across the street (if I remembered correctly) and get them to come up and get me into my flight. After searching here and there for the shop I finally found it and the guy agreed to come to my flat and change the lock. We got to my flat and it turned out to be a rather big job breaking through my two locks. As he was working on the second lock I thought, why don't I check my bag--in which surely my keys were not but I'd better check anyway. There, of course, were my keys.

Ok guys, it's funny. And things almost like that really happen. Actually once, I rushed out of my flat for an important meeting I had to drive to 250 kilometers away. While waiting at the elevator I realized I locked my car key inside with my flat key. Already late for my 250 km trip I thought I needed to rush to the locksmith across the street (if I remembered correctly) and get them to come up and get me into my flight. After searching here and there for the shop I finally found it and the guy agreed to come to my flat and change the lock. We got to my flat and it turned out to be a rather big job breaking through my two locks. As he was working on the second lock I thought, why don't I check my bag--in which surely my keys were not but I'd better check anyway. There, of course, were my keys.

Ok,now thats what I call funny.Not even gonna try to top that one.:lol:

^^:lol:

Ok,what if u went to the top,realised you'd left your appartment keys in the car,went back down,got to your car then realised the car keys were in your bag which you had put by your door and forget to pick up.So you went back up,got your car keys then went down to get your appartment keys.Went back up again,pulled out your appartment keys from your pocket.Then you realised that the main key was in your glovebox cos u removed it from the main bunch to get a copy madeand forgot to reatach it.So you go back down and attempt to get the key from the glove box,however in your rush and panic u now realise you put your car keys in your bag and left the bag upstairs again.So u go back up,get the car keys,go down get the appartment key,go back up,then to your horror,oh s..t,u remember,you don't live there anymore cos u just moved yesterday to a ground floor appartment cos u were SICK AND TIRED OF GOING UP AND DOWN LIKE A DAMN YO-YO !!!:nuts:

LOL How many "ups" and "downs" is that!?!? :nuts: Dunno about u but I'm tired of going up and down so to hell with that!! :bash: :hahaha:

:D

Ok guys, it's funny. And things almost like that really happen. Actually once, I rushed out of my flat for an important meeting I had to drive to 250 kilometers away. While waiting at the elevator I realized I locked my car key inside with my flat key. Already late for my 250 km trip I thought I needed to rush to the locksmith across the street (if I remembered correctly) and get them to come up and get me into my flight. After searching here and there for the shop I finally found it and the guy agreed to come to my flat and change the lock. We got to my flat and it turned out to be a rather big job breaking through my two locks. As he was working on the second lock I thought, why don't I check my bag--in which surely my keys were not but I'd better check anyway. There, of course, were my keys.

LOL Funny because it's true!! :hahaha: ;) :D

Is this thread DEAD??? lol

PS: C'mon for christ sakes where's AL BURJ?? :bash: :D

LOL I was going to post a question as to if there are any events coming up that may unveil this damn thing from its shroud of infinite darkness.

I think Nakheel fails at market timing....the project is all built up and then there's only so long before you can hold people's anticipation before it becomes complete frustration. :bash:

Im not in the know but I would not be surprised if it is undergoing some design refinements.

Just hang in there a little longer :)

I'm sorta wondering if we are waiting for details. Although right now I'd be happy with a corrugated mass model. :lol:

Altin, can you see what's currrently going on on the site?

Nakheel trumps Emaar with 1,200m tower

Dubai developer Nakheel is to build a tower 1,200 metres high, comfortably surpassing the Burj Dubai as the tallest building in the world, a source at a company working on the project has told ArabianBusiness.com.

The source at Australian architects Woods Bagot, which was recently awarded a contract for the project, said the tower is to be located on the Arabian Canal, a $61 billion project being developed by Limitless.

Both Limitless and Nakheel are part of state-owned conglomerate Dubai World.

The source would not reveal the name of the project, which is commonly referred to as Al Burj or the Tall Tower.

Nakheel confirmed to ArabianBusiness.com that it was working with Woods Bagot, but said it could not discuss details about the project.

"We are still finalising the design concept of a new project involving an iconic structure - Woods Bagot are a consultant on this project," Nakheel said in a statement.

"As we are still in the design concept stage, it would be premature to discuss any details at this early stage."

At 1,200 metres high Al Burj would be significantly taller than Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai, which is expected to be up to 900 metres once complete in early 2009, although the final height remains a closely guarded secret.

Speculation over whether Nakheel would trump rival Emaar in the race to build the world's tallest tower has been rife ever since the developer announced the Al Burj project back in 2006.

The tower was initially planned to be over a kilometre high and form part of Nakheel's Dubai Waterfront development, but the location was changed.

The tower is now expected to be built between Jumeirah Lake Towers and Ibn Battuta Mall close to Sheikh Zayed Road, according to Construction Week.

The magazine revealed in January that French company Soletanche Bachy had begun piling work on the project.

Nakheel told ArabianBusiness.com the location had yet to be finalised.

"The location of the project has not yet been confirmed, as we are currently conducting test piling to ascertain the suitability of a potential site,” the developer said.

The project is expected to be officially launched "sometime toward the end of the first half of this year", a company spokesperson told ArabianBusiness.com in January.

The Arabian Canal project will include a 75-kilometre canal and extensive waterfront development stretching inland from Dubai Waterfront in Jebel Ali, passing to the east of the Dubai World Central development before turning back towards the Palm Jumeirah.

Limitless is spending around $11 billion to build the canal alone, and another $50 billion on a sprawling 20,000-hectare development that will stretch for 33 kilometres along the inland section of the waterway.

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...ew, design concept phase...hmmm doesn't too promising on anything soon. Wow, sounds like we're looking at July-September for any hope if its the end of the first half. Unless of course, Dubai has a different calender lol.

late june maybe

...ew, design concept phase...hmmm doesn't too promising on anything soon. Wow, sounds like we're looking at July-September for any hope if its the end of the first half. Unless of course, Dubai has a different calender lol.

LOL Yea, this is Dubai so don't hold ur breath. June - August sounds pretty good to me though ... not all that long of a wait really.

lol seriously...but for some odd reason, here at cal poly's good old architecture school...the design concept phase pretty much means you're still in the sketchbook. :lol: You haven't even started the schematic stage or design development. Here's our order of operations of designing a building:

Initial Project meetings
CONCEPTUAL DESIGN!!!
Schematic Design
Design Development
Construction Documentation
and then...
Construction Administration.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out how they are still in design concepts yet they have piling going on...That makes 0 sense to me. Seems like they skipped all the steps of problem solving although someone has said that Dubai is notorious for build and figure out problems as you go

Would'nt it be logical for them to wait and see what the Saudi's are going to do ?

^^ well, not necessarily. You really can't just build the a building over a mile high just because some one else is. The markets are ruthless and a wrong move like building a mile high tower for sake of just having the worlds tallest building could have disastrous consequences on a companies money if it were a bust (and you can't say it would never happen because look at the history of the empire state building, it remained nearly empty for years and still had problems 10 yrs after the depression ended).

If it just comes down to economics, then I think Dubai would do better job selling space in there building, not to mention marketing. This could be very interesting cause its actually two ego's competing.




^^ well, not necessarily. You really can't just build the a building over a mile high just because some one else is. The markets are ruthless and a wrong move like building a mile high tower for sake of just having the worlds tallest building could have disastrous consequences on a companies money if it were a bust (and you can't say it would never happen because look at the history of the empire state building, it remained nearly empty for years and still had problems 10 yrs after the depression ended).

I completely agree. Although, it could get very ridiculous LOL

Maybe they should concentrate more on the design than just the height?An iconic,amazing 1200m tower will surely stand out more than a 1600m bland building?

Maybe they should concentrate more on the design than just the height?An iconic,amazing 1200m tower will surely stand out more than a 1600m bland building?

Yeah...because it's impossible to do both...:bash::ohno:

i prefer the 1200m iconic tower :)

I prefer the 1600m iconic tower :D

dido


I prefer the 1600m iconic tower :D

Anyone got updates of the site? Is there much activity?

I've been wondering the same thing. We'll have to either wait for Imre to get back (if he's not already) or hopefully Altin would be so kind as to update us on the site conditions.

site bizzy 24 hr(s)

^^ if so this must surely be the plot alright for the breathtaking Al Burj.

Something sweeter in the workplace red common site of workers and construction equipments ..:)

Photos please Bizzy. Don't you own a camera yet ?

INSHALLA :) soon

there is a speculation that Al Burj will be built where the existing buildings of DMCC Manufacturing Complex are ! which is between JLT n Discovery Garden, they are going to demolish those complex n build this Burj !!!

that complex was completed some 1 - 2 years back only !!
:ohno:
check the complex pic in this thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12631132&postcount=73

If Al Burj is built at the site many people claim, I doubt they will tear down those buildings. It would just be a complete waste. I am sure they will built around it; or I hope they will.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, this is Dubai after all, look at what went on with Dubai Pearl. But I really hope Al Burj will be built on this plot and they finally start breaking ground on this infuriating project very soon.

INSHALLA :) soon

LOL ^^ If u don't want to splash out big bucks on top of the line camera bizzy u can always get one of those disposable ones for penneys at any pharmacy / store. That should keep us quite ... for a few days anyway ;) :D

^^ i alawys used my eyes as camera :lol: BTW pixx coming soon

and your words as photos. A photo is worth 1000 words as they say, or a few more in the case of Bizzy :lol:

PG will buy you a nice DSLR camera, she can afford it. :D

^^

Well I waited for a response from PG


:D

About words


Love in the economy speech lol

^^ i alawys used my eyes as camera :lol:



PG will buy you a nice DSLR camera, she can afford it. :D



Well I waited for a response from PG


:D

About words


Love in the economy speech lol

LOL ^^ Sure I will ;) Presently I'm trying to sort out my finances and getting things in order so in the meantime u just keep using ur EYES bizzy :hahaha: :D

28/04/08
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2453130398_2ce8cf9e91_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2144/2452302707_895cae270a_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2281/2453130640_5287226d28_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/2453130154_69bee7ded4_o.jpg

thanks for the photos king...but out of those apparent 4 lots, which one is the site? Looks like the bottom right site.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8287/alburjwd0.jpg

I think it is here....

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5014/24531306405287226d28off1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5014/24531306405287226d28off1.54eb09dd49.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=141&i=24531306405287226d28off1.jpg)

^^Think you are right Julito!!

yes, julito is right...that's the plot.

yes, julito is right!

Hi Guys

Can someone point out to me which development is Al-Burj close to.

yes julito is right , playmaker is right too for downtown alburj tower :)

They should build it on the former Dubai Pearl plot. Al Burj should go back to his palm :D

:D I think there is elso another pearl project close to JLT near the new interchange ...

According to the latest update of the canal, Al Burj should be closer to SZR :cheers:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/921/alburj2kg5.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5205/alburj1ii3.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5014/24531306405287226d28off1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is correct plot! It's a bit back from SZR but that's good for such a massive tower. Plenty of room here also for lots of other projects / downtown to complete Al Burj.

According to the latest update of the canal, Al Burj should be closer to SZR :cheers:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5205/alburj1ii3.jpg

So, what are you saying!?!?

Everyone in Dubai is goign to need aquatic vehicles to travel along Sheikh Zayed Road and Aliens are being contracted to build the Al Burj!?!? :crazy: :lol:

So, what are you saying!?!?

Everyone in Dubai is goign to need aquatic vehicles to travel along Sheikh Zayed Road and Aliens are being contracted to build the Al Burj!?!? :crazy: :lol:

Exactly :baeh3:

Meanwhile, scrutinize closely the 80-kilometer-long Arabian Canal. You will definitely need an aquatic vehicle :nuts:

http://www.marinebuzz.com/marinebuzzuploads/11billionDubaiArabianCanal_B509/ArabianCanal.jpg


Here is the official photo from Nakheel - UFO having fun at the Arabian Canal:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_PXeDY3KOwgA/R3p-7XvO9xI/AAAAAAAABRg/cnOulG8CMvA/s400/USO+Emerging+From+Ocean.jpg

I think it may be easier for Nakheel to get aliens to build Al Burj. They could remove the ugly power plant while they are at it.

I think it may be easier for Nakheel to get aliens to build Al Burj.

I can definitely see the up-side to that scenario. At least the aliens will have the technology to build Al Burj to limitless heights beating any tower any where any time - and faster than u would believe too!! Everything that goes against Nakheel's principles! lol :laugh:

GULF NEWS:
Dubai will become city of supertowers
By Saifur Rahman, Business Editor
Published: May 04, 2008, 00:12


Dubai: The city will have the largest number of supertowers - buildings that rise more than 100 habitable floors - as five more will be added to the seven under development, Gulf News has learnt.

The new supertowers are part of a cluster of 11 projects worth Dh25 billion to be built in a major master-planned development that will be announced in October.

"All five supertowers will be about 600 metres tall - rising more than 100 floors. These are some of the most unique projects incorporating the latest building technologies and consuming up to 60 per cent less energy," Adrian Smith, who designed Burj Dubai - currently the world's tallest tower - told Gulf News in an exclusive interview.

His firm Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architects, is designing the projects.


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Thirteen supertowers are currently under development worldwide, including seven in Dubai. The five new ones will change the equation heavily in favour of the emirate.

The supertowers already announced in Dubai include Al Burj, Burj Al Alam, Princess Tower, Marina 101 and Pentominum.

I think it may be easier for Nakheel to get aliens to build Al Burj. They could remove the ugly power plant while they are at it.

I couldnt agree more. The power plant is a terrible eye sore and source of pollution. The location was fine 20 years ago, but now it s not anymore. It just does not fit in an area that is for holiday making and waterfront fun...Wonder if they will do something about it. If they can build the tallest tower(s) in the world, why cant they relocate the PP ? :ohno:

Would nuclear power be a 'safer' option?

^^ Solar will be capable of the job of powering the entire City of Dubai in 10 years time.

I couldnt agree more. The power plant is a terrible eye sore and source of pollution. The location was fine 20 years ago, but now it s not anymore. It just does not fit in an area that is for holiday making and waterfront fun...Wonder if they will do something about it. If they can build the tallest tower(s) in the world, why cant they relocate the PP ? :ohno:

Emirates authorities are currently negotiating with French to build a nuclear power plant in the UAE. Most probably, this one will be relocated because it doesn't make sense anymore.

hmm, well if they've already started piling and whatever on the site, then al burj will be done long before the power plant. I think just to construct a nuclear power plant takes a long time (~6 yrs) and it will have to be near the gulf. Then they have to get around all the controversy and protests (diablo canyon delayed almost 10 yrs because of protesting), site location, all the permits, and construction, probably about a decade of testing until final activation. That eye sore could be there for years and years unfortunately. I'm sorta going off of what it took to construct diablo canyon here in california...construction started in 1968 and the first part activated in 1984. So to me, that's a long time for that eye sore.

Complete waste of time going for nuclear wait for new nano solar power, will be very cheap, clean and non political.

France signs up to £2 billion deal to build nuclear plants in the Gulf (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3193447.ece)

January 16, 2008

France has agreed a £2 billion deal to build nuclear power stations in the Gulf and in return has secured a military base there.

The French base in Abu Dhabi would accommodate up to 500 troops. It would probably serve as a maintenance station for France's naval vessels in the Gulf and could also be used as a springboard to send troops into the troubled region.

“France responds to its friends,” President Sarkozy said, calling the deal “a sign to all that France is participating in the stability of this region”.

The French moves followed an American promise to sell £10 billion of weaponry to Gulf states to help them to counter the influence of Iran.

Mr Sarkozy toured the region on the heels of President Bush, who is wrapping up his week-long visit today in Egypt. The timing of Mr Sarkozy's announcement hints at an emerging contest for clout in the Gulf, where Sunni countries are regarded as key allies for the West.

While the prime concern of Mr Bush has been to shore up support for his efforts to isolate Iran, Mr Sarkozy touted his trip as pure business. The French deal is poised to deliver a £3 billion windfall to French power companies including Areva, Total and Suez.

With the price of oil soaring to $100 a barrel, Gulf states are desperate to develop alternative energy sources to fuel refineries and construction in order to free up their own oil for export.

Nuclear power would also provide a cheap way of meeting the region's demand for desalinated water and electricity, which has skyrocketed as countries such as the United Arab Emirates pursue aggressive growth.

Under the agreements, French companies would develop civilian nuclear energy in Gulf countries including Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE. Some analysts worry that the build-up of nuclear capacity in the area could trigger a regional arms race with Iran. Others consider a Western-allied, nuclear-powered Gulf as presenting a possible way out of the crisis with Iran, which has huge economic ties to the UAE, just across the Strait of Hormuz.

“One could imagine a scenario where the Gulf becomes a place where Iran could base its enrichment facilities, overseen by a reputable third country,” said Michael Knights, a lead analyst at Olive Group, a security consultancy company.

not every one uses nuclear technology to harm other people, food for thought


France signs up to £2 billion deal to build nuclear plants in the Gulf (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3193447.ece)

January 16, 2008

France has agreed a £2 billion deal to build nuclear power stations in the Gulf and in return has secured a military base there.

The French base in Abu Dhabi would accommodate up to 500 troops. It would probably serve as a maintenance station for France's naval vessels in the Gulf and could also be used as a springboard to send troops into the troubled region.

“France responds to its friends,” President Sarkozy said, calling the deal “a sign to all that France is participating in the stability of this region”.

The French moves followed an American promise to sell £10 billion of weaponry to Gulf states to help them to counter the influence of Iran.

Mr Sarkozy toured the region on the heels of President Bush, who is wrapping up his week-long visit today in Egypt. The timing of Mr Sarkozy's announcement hints at an emerging contest for clout in the Gulf, where Sunni countries are regarded as key allies for the West.

While the prime concern of Mr Bush has been to shore up support for his efforts to isolate Iran, Mr Sarkozy touted his trip as pure business. The French deal is poised to deliver a £3 billion windfall to French power companies including Areva, Total and Suez.

With the price of oil soaring to $100 a barrel, Gulf states are desperate to develop alternative energy sources to fuel refineries and construction in order to free up their own oil for export.

Nuclear power would also provide a cheap way of meeting the region's demand for desalinated water and electricity, which has skyrocketed as countries such as the United Arab Emirates pursue aggressive growth.

Under the agreements, French companies would develop civilian nuclear energy in Gulf countries including Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE. Some analysts worry that the build-up of nuclear capacity in the area could trigger a regional arms race with Iran. Others consider a Western-allied, nuclear-powered Gulf as presenting a possible way out of the crisis with Iran, which has huge economic ties to the UAE, just across the Strait of Hormuz.

“One could imagine a scenario where the Gulf becomes a place where Iran could base its enrichment facilities, overseen by a reputable third country,” said Michael Knights, a lead analyst at Olive Group, a security consultancy company.

nano solar power? I'll have to look into this, I've never heard of it.

It seems you can take any existing technology, and just stick the word "nano" in front of it, to create a brand new, super-efficient, 1000-times faster, 1 million times more economical - form of new technology. :)

^^

Sounds like a load of nano-bollox to me.

nano solar power? I'll have to look into this, I've never heard of it.

Is that where you generate solar energy from extremely small suns? I think I see a flaw in the plan!

Ask ANY Albanians what NANO is, and unanimously they'd say "a douchebag" :laugh:



... oh, and he happened to have been our PM for almost half of the Post-comunism era.

I just remembered, but isn't there slight hope that this thing will be released next month (at the earliest) or am I way off base?

^^ Of course


... and if it isn't going to happen, we can always hope for the next, and then the next and the next and the next, till it might finally happen.

haha true altin. Just seems I remember a post way back from like Feb when they said it would be earliest june after they had already said no later than jan or whatever. But I agree with you 100% lol. The thing will be probably be topped out by the time they release the rendering.

release the design Nakheel :bash:, can't wait longer :D

Ask ANY Albanians what NANO is, and unanimously they'd say "a douchebag" :laugh:



... oh, and he happened to have been our PM for almost half of the Post-comunism era.

LOL I take it u didn't vote for your 35th, 40th and 44th PM then huh!? :hahaha:

release the design Nakheel :bash:, can't wait longer :D

Doesn't matter if u can or can't wait, u still ain't gonna see Al Burj any time soon! :D

The thing will be probably be topped out by the time they release the rendering.

Could be JM. lol In reality, it can't be easily dismissed by anyone that Al Burj could very well be far above ground by the time we know what the true design is.

so this culd still end up being the WTB:

Mile High tower in Saudi Arabia comes up short
Published: 16 May 2008 14:45 GMT Author: Christopher Sell More by this Author Last Updated: 16 May 2008 14:45
Kingdom Holding's Mile High tower is likely to be significantly shorter than originally conceived.
Sources claim the tower could be up to 500 metres shorter than originally planned, with contractors deciding it would be impractical to build a structure to such an extreme height.

"The Mile High tower is now more like 1,100-1,150 metres," says one source. "They have found it too difficult. There is a problem with profitability and the transport of materials to such a height, so there are real technical issues.

"Of course, everything can be built, but maybe this is beyond the cost."

Tenders for the tower, which will be located in Jeddah, were expected to be issued to contractors in July.

MEED understands that the UK's Hyder Consulting is working jointly with Arup, also of the UK, as engineers on the project.

Building to such a height presents massive physical and practical challenges, from wind loading to the transporting of materials or elevator passengers.

Saudi company Omrania, in collaboration with US group Pickard Chilton, worked on the design of the tower; the US' Bechtel is the construction manager.

The tower forms part of a wider real estate project planned by Kingdom Holding.

The development covers 5.3 square kilometres and is located in the north of the city near the creek, and has an investment value of SR50bn ($13.6bn) on completion (MEED 13:2:08).


Author: Christopher Sell.

R

"The Mile High tower is now more like 1,100-1,150 metres," says one source.

But of course they didn't change the name :lol:

ps. And also, from now, question "how tall is Mile High Tower?" is not that simple :lol:

I´m pretty sure that they will reduce the height again. I can´t imagine a that tall bldg beeing built in the near future in Jeddah.

But hey this are good news for al Burj..........now we only have to wait for the final design of this monster relax and watch this baby rising.

Im pretty sure Jeddha will make there tower, sooner than later. They got the money, and the ego to do this thing. I dont see Al Burj reducing any height what so ever if they want status of heighest building in the world.


I´m pretty sure that they will reduce the height again. I can´t imagine a that tall bldg beeing built in the near future in Jeddah.

But hey this are good news for al Burj..........now we only have to wait for the final design of this monster relax and watch this baby rising.

Update http://www.flickr.com/photos/9792649@N07/2500618007/sizes/o/
I'm not 100% sure I got the location right tho.
You can also see the site in this picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9792649@N07/2500617425/sizes/o/

I see the site every day minimum twice but still nothing visible from outside..

yep that's right, you see the site in both pictures, a little bit dissappointing to see that they are still not really working.

in the first pic it seems there's some progress

So this is it isn't it?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1278/burjlt7.jpg


Germantower, you should take that render off from your avatar. It's fake! :)

yes it is

I reopened the thread on the world forum. Let's hope it doesn't get filled up with crap like it always does :bash:

that's for sure the location... about pix is so so so old lol ...

so the pics are not from may?

that's for sure the location... about pix is so so so old lol ...

Why do you say these pics are old, they were taken on 15th May, as you can see on the other pics the guy on flickr uploaded.

So this is it isn't it?

Germantower, you should take that render off from your avatar. It's fake! :)

I know Malec but i still like the design, i highly hope that the real design will be similar good or even better.

So this is it isn't it?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1278/burjlt7.jpg

Yup, when Jan was in Dubai earlier this year, we visited the site, parked the car where the white buses are and took pictures from there.

You can see a big circle there. I presume that's where the tower's supposed to go. Could someone estimate how wide it is? Seems like about 150m or something like that. Is that right?

around 180m to 220m

Pretty good guess, I was thinking roughly 200m.

hmmm...

Using the buses as reference with an estimated length of 12m, I calculate the outside of the circle is roughly 180m. The inside of the circle, where the 'digging seems to begin is more like 145m.

Baring in mind this would most likely only be the foundation slab, the footprint of the tower could possibly be much larger, depending on the final design and how the load is distributed.

His firm Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architects, is designing the projects.


Note how Adrian Smith was also the chief designer of the Burj Dubai while he worked at SOM.

^^ Where did you find that to quote? Adrian Smith has nothing to do with this tower.

maybe he knows something we dont know ???????

^^ No he don't. He just quoted someone who got confused by a totally different project.

http://i30.tinypic.com/sxkk0p.jpg

Dubai must make sure its always has the worlds tallest building and the worlds tallest residential building.As simple as that.

they started with the slurry walls on the plot in January...now we've June, shouldn't they finish soon and start excavation?

Dubai must make sure its always has the worlds tallest building and the worlds tallest residential building.As simple as that.

Thank you! We try our best to stay on top, but it's always good to hear from a fan! Thanks.

lmao naz

lol I have no idea why, but every time I see a reg in the threads post a new comment in this thread...I get duped every single time thinking there's going to be a rendering. (hangs head in shame)

^^ Solar will be capable of the job of powering the entire City of Dubai in 10 years time.

I read somewhere that the guy who designed Burj Bubai is part of latest project to design a new tower that is reliant tottally on Solar or other alternatibe sourses of power

I'm not an expert I would have thought that Dubai would have made much better use already of solar power considering the amount on offer there !

Does anyone know when Al Burj will be launched for sale ?

yes thats adrian smith, and the project is in Abu Dhabi. and now him and his friend gordon gill have designed those 5 600m towers and they will be Solar and other sourses of power

yes thats adrian smith, and the project is in Abu Dhabi. and now him and his friend gordon gill have designed those 5 600m towers and they will be Solar and other sourses of power
Interesting do you know names of towers they would be worth a "punt" and i,m also very interested in the environmental aspects of the project

Well, the one in Abu Dhabi is the Masdar Headquarters and the towers in Dubai are the East Park and Atrium City Towers (commonly known as EP and AC Towers)?

Interesting do you know names of towers they would be worth a "punt" and i,m also very interested in the environmental aspects of the project

if your really interested in green projects go to Adrian smith + Gordon Gill architecture or www.smithgill.com there's a bunch of energy efficient projects

How can this be 'approved' if their isnt even a design?

It isnt even 'proposed' yet.

maybe change the title to 'expected' or 'redesigning' and move it to the on hold forum.

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^^Ive asked this question a thousand times about Nakheel and it seems they can just do whatever they want after they get at least something approved which apparently the first design was. Now they are doing ground work and they are redesigning. Sorta like how they did with Palm Diera and Waterfront.

this could cause issues with the mile high tower:

Ground conditions in Jeddah force review of high-rise developments

Published: 13 June 2008 18:35 GMT Author: Christopher Sell More by this Author Last Updated: 13 June 2008 18:35 Reader Responses

The cost of high-rise developments in Jeddah is expected to increase because of engineering challenges that are only now emerging, according to geotechnical specialists.


In line with other cities in the kingdom, Jeddah is planning to develop several high-rise towers (see Feature, page 29). However, the schemes are proving more difficult to build than in other cities.

"The sub-surface, which is composed of coral, is not strong," says a Riyadh-based geo-technical specialist. "It is challenging to construct from an engineering point of view."

This is having an impact on the height of towers that developers are willing to construct.

"It needs a very cautious judgement as it is a challenging condition regardless of the foundations you choose," he adds.

The difficulties are causing changes to some developments. The Headquarters Business Park, being developed by Aldar al-Khasa, is being re-designed.

"The old design had the load in a single area," says Raed al-Shaksheer, special projects manager at Aldar al-Khasa. "So we modified the design to avoid settlement. The nature of the soil gives you a sense of extra caution."

The 310-metre-high Lamar Towers, being developed by the UAE-Cayan Investment Company has had to deal with cavities in the sub-structure, which need to be filled to ensure stability.

"They have had to modify their equipment to do deeper piles," says a source close to the project.

"These cavities get filled with silt or sand which is unstable."

R

^^ They said earlier that the tower has been scaled back to around 1 km.

How can this be 'approved' if their isnt even a design?

It isnt even 'proposed' yet.

maybe change the title to 'expected' or 'redesigning' and move it to the on hold forum.

'

Just because WE haven't seen a design doesn't mean there isn't one. And just because no one has proposed it to us, doesn't mean it hasn't been proposed to the powers that be.

Yes, but we cant realy admin a foum with the attitude of 'might' could' and 'may' be at a stage in the process.

Mod [i would say mods, but some are missing] this is in the wrong place!

^^ They said earlier that the tower has been scaled back to around 1 km.

ofcourse i know this but the article was good...IMO...

R

^^ They said earlier that the tower has been scaled back to around 1 km.
that means the Al Burj can be the tallest skyscraper :cheers:

1600m was too much all the time, i'm sure al burj will be the tallest skyscraper on earth :) ( not forever of course :D )

but about 10 years thou

definitely at least 10 years yes :)

Hey all, just drove through the whole site there, and stopped at the guard house, I asked what constructions site this was and he resonded with 'Tall Tower'

Here is the construction site.

Cheers

D:\DCIM\100K6200\100_6915

Well seems the amature, me, isnt doing something right. haha, please someone tell me how to do this.

^^ Please upload the image forst to www.tinypic.com or any other on-line image hosting service, and then copy-past here the generated image tag.

Hey all, just drove through the whole site there, and stopped at the guard house, I asked what constructions site this was and he resonded with 'Tall Tower'

Here is the construction site.

Cheers

D:\DCIM\100K6200\100_6915

Well seems the amature, me, isnt doing something right. haha, please someone tell me how to do this.

^^

hi charles

what location are you reffering to ?:)

Here we go, hopefully this time it works.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2jepxr7.jpg

This is the Map View and the red spots are where i took the pics from.

This is from area 1 with the red square around it, looks like the 'Tall Tower' site office.

http://i26.tinypic.com/5bzi3n.jpg

This is a panoramic from the spot with the 5 spokes coming out of it.

http://i30.tinypic.com/zwdbnt.jpg

This is the equipment on the 'Tall Tower' site, which the guards were so nice enough to confirm.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2v327iv.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/24opy0z.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2cong5z.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2qbhqol.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/2njx8gp.jpg

These two images are the only plot signs I could find:

http://i28.tinypic.com/72q0k6.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/o0cnx3.jpg

Lets see if this works.

Does anyone know who owns the land between The Gardens and Jumeirah Islands. Between SHK Zayed and Emirates Rd.?

we should be seeing some new renders soon, there already getting the foundations set.

Nakheel increases height of Tall Tower to 1.4 kilometres


* Published: 20 June 2008 18:12 GMT
* Author: Colin Foreman
* More by this Author

Tallest skyscraper in the world will be the centrepiece of Ibn Battuta Mall.

Local developer Nakheel is finalising plans for the world's tallest tower in Dubai. The scheme involves constructing a 1.4 kilometre-tall tower next to the Ibn Battuta Mall in the Jebel Ali area.

The Tall Tower project had involved plans for a 1,050 metre-tall building, but it is understood these designs have now been revised upwards to make it the tallest skyscraper in the world.

At 1.4km it is almost double the height of Emaar's Burj Dubai, which is expected to reach about 815 metres, and several hundred metres taller than rival towers in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

A spokesman for Nakheel confirms designs for the tower are being finalised and says a launch is expected this year.

Earlier designs for the project showed a building with 228 floors, a four-level basement and one service sub-level – a total built-up area of 1.49 million square metres with 492,000 sq m of useable space.

The tower will house offices, apartments and hotels. In the original 1,050 metre design, the highest habitable floor was at 850 metres, topped by a 200-metre central spire with a three-level function area and three service floors (MEED 10:8:08).

Nakheel's tower will be the focal point of its plans for the Ibn Battuta Mall development next to Jumeirah islands and Jumeirah Lake Towers. The Tall Tower will be flanked by about 20 smaller towers of up to 90 storeys that will be next to the revamped shopping mall.

Work has started on changing the layout of the mall ahead of the proposed expansion, which will double its existing retail area to 250,000 sq m by building retail space over existing parking areas between the mall and the metro.

The expansion will also include entertainment attractions and a roller-coaster on top of the mall.


The Tall Tower was originally called the Pinnacle and destined for Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme when it was renamed Al-Burj. The consultancy team for the tower includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia's Woods Bagot.

The project is just one of several skyscraper projects under development in the Gulf that could claim the title of the world's tallest building.

Saudi-based Kingdom Holding had planned to build a tower in Jeddah that was expected to be one mile high (1,609 metres). However, these plans are understood to have been scaled back and the final height of the building could be about 1,100 metres.

Like Nakheel's Tall Tower and the Burj Dubai, the tower will form part of a wider 5.4 sq km real estate project planned by Kingdom Holding.

Another masterplanned community anchored by a tall tower is Kuwait's City of Silk. The Burj Mubarak is expected to be 1,001 metres tall. In Bahrain, Danish architect Henning Larsens Tegnestue (HLT) has completed design work for a 1,022 metre-tall tower.

If all these projects go ahead, and no other 1,000 metre-plus towers are built in other regions, the Gulf will be home to the five tallest buildings in the world.

R

So the J-LO end of the Marina will have the pleasure of such an iconical building in its backyard :-) Good news and another fairytale to be told

1400m :banana:

WOW!!!!!!! Dubai is fantastic, i can't believe it!!!!! keep up the good work, Dubai!!!

how long do you think it will take them to complete this tower?...5 years from now?

""will be flanked by about 20 smaller towers of up to 90 storeys that will be next to the revamped shopping mall.""


:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:

This could mean :nuts: for me!! :okay:

Is this actually official.It will be at this site and 1.4M? Kind of a bit deflating for those working on Burj Dubai i guess but great news for Dubai.
Also what name will it be given?
What an amazing project !

Is this actually official.It will be at this site and 1.4M? Kind of a bit deflating for those working on Burj Dubai i guess but great news for Dubai.
Also what name will it be given?
What an amazing project !

Not really official - but you noticed that Nakeel confirmed it in the article. Building the largest tower is a big play between the developers aiming at this.

I have always thought the name will be Al Burj - but I guess this can be changed.

Yes, maybe the wildest project so far - imagine 1.4 km !! I am shitting my pants already being on my fathers 3 m high roof as I recently climbed :ohno:

its official^^

Does anyone think that they could or would move it again? Or is this the final/real site?

Am planning on buying in JLT. Any better suggestions on where to buy?

Any speculation on announcement date from Nakheel?

Thanks much!:)

MEED as official as it can get...u can really trust their articles!!!!! They rock!

R

My friend who works in administration at battuta mall confirmed malls expansion, and roller coaster. She even mentioned that metro, and roller coaster will enter the mall. She still knows nothing of Al Burj, cant wait for official launch.

Does anyone know who owns the land between The Gardens and Jumeirah Islands. Between SHK Zayed and Emirates Rd.?

1. Dubai World
2. Dubai Holding

^^ ie., Dubai :tongue2:

must be an insane feeling to stand in front of a 1400m tall tower :nuts:

Viva Burj Dubai... no, I'm not confusing towers here. Even with the eminent announcement of a 1400 meter Al Burj, the Burj Dubai still has many glorious years ahead as the the world's tallest tower. I'm excited that Nakheel is finally starting to finalize plans on this thing, but seeing how Nakheel has done things over the years, this project will take years (10, my guess) before it reaches its pinnacle--pun intended. :)

Great news for Ibn Battuta, too, my favorite Dubai mall so far, for its theme park design. But what about that dang power plant!

^^ Maybe the rollercoaster ride will be extended to pass through it. :D

This will be insane... I can't wait for this project to begin!

I hope the Taller Tower will look like it's a building from Blade Runner! :banana:

I liked the fake render.

http://yzdewg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pWi_x-uatqoThATIgyzDdFEOC_BZAoQZIZuhKcDiX7fldWpGP6KNpp-zlJocKEVUlrOkiFJRmLE2U_jAMIFO21A/al_burj_new_render2.jpg

we should be seeing some new renders soon, there already getting the foundations set.

oh sweet, I didn't know they are at the foundation part yet :cheers: :banana::banana: