Are the guys over at the Burj a little pissed off right now?

wouldn't it have an ugly view over DEWA's power station, Dubai and all that overhead power lines???

They should think about a solution!!!

:okay:
Second Video - NHT:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo325/sscuae/th_NHT.jpg (http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo325/sscuae/?action=view&current=NHT.flv)

What islamic ingenuity?

Nakheel has sought inspiration not just from Islamic design but also from the Islamic principles of inclusion, innovation, diversity, excellence, growth and progress. These are the same principles that have motivated and guided Islamic culture and helped create its great cities throughout history. Now they are shaping the cities of the future,”

maybe he talking about the interior of offical website :lol:

It's funny how the Burj Dubai suddenly isn't really a big deal anymore.

Anyone know the names and heights of all the proposed 'Supertowers'in Dubai?

"1 Dubai", "1 Park Avenue",...

http://meraas.ae/en/projects-jgc.htm

New supertall towers coming from Chicago architect
By Blair Kamin | Chicago Tribune critic
October 7, 2008
Against a backdrop of nose-diving world markets, it sounds like a comic book fantasy: Three closely bunched, mega-skyscrapers would shoot in the sky, connected by skybridges and grand arches. A tower of light would knife into the sky between the buildings. Canal boats would glide underneath.

Crazy? Perhaps. But this is Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, already home to artificial palm-shaped islands and the world's tallest structure. There, one developer Sunday made public plans for an even-taller, mixed-use skyscraper, one that that would rise to a height of roughly 3,281 feet—easily taller than two Sears Towers stacked on end.

On Monday, Chicago architects Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill announced that another Dubai-based concern, Meraas Development, has commissioned them to design the trio of towers, as well as three other projects, all worth a total of roughly $15 billion.

Smith's credits include the world-record, still-to-be-completed Burj Dubai, a mixed-use tower now nearing its final height of about 2,600 feet.



He shaped that skyscraper while at the Chicago office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

In a telephone interview Monday from Dubai, Smith sounded optimistic that the projects would go ahead because of Dubai's sizzling economy and shortage of office space there. He acknowledged, however, that a global slowdown could stop them.

"There is a national drive here—and has been for five to six years—to make Dubai the first real major city of the 21st Century," Smith said. "Part of that plan is a belief that if you build it, they will come."

The four projects are:

•1 Dubai, which will consist of three interconnected towers, each taller than 2,000 feet, housing hotels, offices, shops and condominiums. The mega-structure would have more than 13 million square feet, making it one of the world's largest as well as tallest complexes. The developer still must acquire land, Smith said.

•1 Park Avenue, another mixed-use tower that would rise about 1,800 feet, its undulating form evoking Dubai's heritage of pearl trading. The project would contain more than 4 million square feet of offices, condominiums, apartments and hotel rooms. Excavation has begun, Smith said.

•Park Gate, which would consist of six midrise towers arranged in facing pairs, creating a shaded garden space comparable to Middle Eastern markets. The mixed-use project would allow energy from one building to be shared with another. Foundation work has begun, Smith said.

•Meraas Tower, a mixed-use skyscraper, about 1,800 feet tall, combining hotel space, offices and living units. The developers need to buy and clear the site, Smith said, and construction won't start for two years.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-dubai-1007oct07,0,5166021.story

3.281 feet means exact 1.000 meters in height !

It's funny how the Burj Dubai suddenly isn't really a big deal anymore.
But it is still a big deal. The buzz around Harbour Tower seems to be less than Bur Dubai had initially and as it is still so many years away, I think the Burj will be able to enjoy the limelight for a while yet, if not indefinitely. Even though they have already started on the foundation, I wouldn't bet any money on the Harbour Tower yet. What I would be willling to bet is that there will be at least 5 redisigns befor this tower becomes reality.

Of course burj dubai is a big deal, it is 700m high right now and will be completed next year or the year after. They're just barely getting shovels into the ground for this one now and might not, in fact will probably never reach the top. :cheers:

Of course burj dubai is a big deal, it is 700m high right now and will be completed next year or the year after. They're just barely getting shovels into the ground for this one now and might not, in fact will probably never reach the top. :cheers:

Why do you say that?

^^because it's a Nakheel project. :runaway:

How will they pay for it? 20000 people buying at $3000 per square foot? :lol:
And where will the $100bn for the meraas development come from?

^^ Where is the Meraas thread?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=550741&page=13

If the foundation is going to take 3 years,at what point must a design be final?
Also what are the Supertowers announced so far?
Nakheel Tower
Burj Dubai
Pendominium
Antara
Princess Tower
Al Alam?
1 Dubai
1 Park Av
Meraas Tower
Is that right?

^^ Check out my thread that I spent ages compiling with loads of renders, etc. :cheers:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=624643

Cheers for the link Malec.Great list.

Would be it really hard to assume that 20,000 people cannot purchase at 3000/Sft? Heck, there are 100 times that many rich people just here in the Gulf who would buy just for prestige. Now, if you take into consideration the rest of world, i think its rather easy.

As for funding; they have mentioned that they plan to finance it partly by land sales and rest from other sources. They stand to make a LOT from land sales simply because any land around the main tower is now GOLD! They could easily finance the whole tower itself with the money they make from the sale of this land. Now, think about the land that they haven't even sold in Palm Deira and The Waterfront. ;) Secondly, Nakheel's IPO is on the cards and for SURE it will be oversubscribed despite the carnage you see on DIFM everyday. That's just how the market here is.

These guys know what they are doing and i have to say that they are very intelligent; which is a good thing because thats exactly what an investors wants to hear and see.

What if Abu Dhabi had ownership in these projects? Besides, its all about business so if Abu Dhabi thinks that it stands to make a good amount of money, why not?

Just a theory.

Would be it really hard to assume that 20,000 people cannot purchase at 3000/Sft? Heck, there are 100 times that many rich people just here in the Gulf who would buy just for prestige. Now, if you take into consideration the rest of world, i think its rather easy.

As for funding; they have mentioned that they plan to finance it partly by land sales and rest from other sources. They stand to make a LOT from land sales simply because any land around the main tower is now GOLD! They could easily finance the whole tower itself with the money they make from the sale of this land. Now, think about the land that they haven't even sold in Palm Deira and The Waterfront. ;) Secondly, Nakheel's IPO is on the cards and for SURE it will be oversubscribed despite the carnage you see on DIFM everyday. That's just how the market here is.

These guys know what they are doing and i have to say that they are very intelligent; which is a good thing because thats exactly what an investors wants to hear and see.

What if Abu Dhabi had ownership in these projects? Besides, its all about business so if Abu Dhabi thinks that it stands to make a good amount of money, why not?

Just a theory.

Agreed!! The first thing they think is how to finance before even thinking about a project..They would definately have some financial means otherwise why would they announce something like this just not to build it..I think that would be a serious blow to their reputation...they will certainly build it otherwise they would never have mentioned the time span of 10 years for the completion of this. People will invest somewhere...the US markets are not expected to recover atleast for another 2-3 years!..where will all the money go?

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OMG it's a freakin MONSTER!!! :banana: :carrot: :cucumber: LOL

So, finally, this is what all the fuss has been about for so long huh...hmm...well it is pretty spectacular I suppose. I do like the harbour and towers surrounding it, they look really cool. Well, at least Emaar can relax and keep smiling for the best part of a decade yet anyway I guess. lol The more you look at the top end / the crown of this tower it's easy to see they could still stretch the final height out quite a bit more. :nuts: Is this the absolute final design though? As things can change over the years, I know. I like it. :)

I love those models!!! I should do that for school. They look very presentation only....

Is adding a very tall spier just plain cheating?

It seems like it but according to the rules it counts. And this things spire could for sure be a lot bigger!

I really think the top part of this building is throwing sand in there rivals faces, they dont know what to think when they see this. Nakheel have alot of jokers up there sleeve with this design, they basically brought a cannon to gun fight.

I love those models!!! I should do that for school. They look very presentation only....

Better still, try it as a career JM. lol Apparently they are raking in millions with these models. They are so cool though huh.

Check this: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/533399-mini-me-builders-make-millions-from-models?ln=en

That looks like it would be a fun thing to do after i get my masters in architecture!!

Yes i am amazed by this tower's height, I love the starwarsy design and architecture, but i can't help but feel that behind all this height and might, there is something quite disturbing.

I think most of you are forgetting something, Why do you think Dubai is able to build all these towers 600M+ Towers, Largest Metro infra in the world in 4-5 years time, Massive artificial islands, all in record time? The Answer is simple, cheap slave Labour!

You really think U.S, U.K , Japan and other Financial Superpowers don't want to make such structures or don't care? Its because if they make something like Nakheel Tower, its gonna cost them AED 200BN, because they have human rights for labor and construction workers, where in UAE, thanks to cheap slave labor which are paid $100 per month (if they get lucky to get paid), 12 hours a day work, extremely poor living conditions, passport held, no health coverage, Dubai is able to build these Massive structures non-stop at 30% of what it would cost somewhere else and still sell it to you at the same prices they are sold in the west.


I'm not trying to be negative, Dubai and its ruler certainly have a great vision, i have no doubt Nakheel tower will get built along with all the other mega projects, but the means to get it done is nothing short of disgusting. see below link only a small example:

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/03/11/meaw_pm2_migrants_dubai/

I think its time for U.N and other countries to put pressure on Dubai to address these important issues, before they keep going ahead with these projects.

Just think to yourself, "who really is building all these towers?".

Well i like tall towers and I dont care about the so called human cost. Who are you any one eles to judge want conditions are considered fair. Fair is what the market demands and based on a present ever changing understanding. So what if you want argue so called human rights then go spend ever moment support a NGO or something. Any way do what are the alternatives for these people ? Also what can be gain for the whole region by this stage of development.

Anyway to put it nicely I think this issue is way to complex for comment and has already been covered in Detail.

Your right Bugs.Lets send them back home from their $100/200 a month jobs so they can earn nothing in thier own countries and starve along with their families.
Lets make sure we don't just make Dubai an example as these workers are all over the world.
Also,next time you go into a shop to buy something,make sure you know that product hasnt been made by child slave labour in some third world country.
Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite.

I have invested in Dubai and reaped from its benefits, and i'm sure bugs did so did most of you, call me a hypocrite or whatever i don't care but I completely agree with what bugs said. And i think most of you who jumped the gun and criticize missed the point, these are merely the facts and truth of what's going on, Dubai building 2KM tower or not it is definitely something that shouldn't be ignored and should be improved upon.

so don't invest in Dubai

all in all we're all just modern day slaves to world banks and creditors who suck every little penny out of our pockets to make them rich in the west, but then we're off topic.

Lets enjoy the interesting times we're living in, and especially for dubai giving us this natural high with these toys they keep proposing, launching, and building.

Yes i am amazed by this tower's height, I love the starwarsy design and architecture, but i can't help but feel that behind all this height and might, there is something quite disturbing.

I think most of you are forgetting something, Why do you think Dubai is able to build all these towers 600M+ Towers, Largest Metro infra in the world in 4-5 years time, Massive artificial islands, all in record time? The Answer is simple, cheap slave Labour!

You really think U.S, U.K , Japan and other Financial Superpowers don't want to make such structures or don't care? Its because if they make something like Nakheel Tower, its gonna cost them AED 200BN, because they have human rights for labor and construction workers, where in UAE, thanks to cheap slave labor which are paid $100 per month (if they get lucky to get paid), 12 hours a day work, extremely poor living conditions, passport held, no health coverage, Dubai is able to build these Massive structures non-stop at 30% of what it would cost somewhere else and still sell it to you at the same prices they are sold in the west.


I'm not trying to be negative, Dubai and its ruler certainly have a great vision, i have no doubt Nakheel tower will get built along with all the other mega projects, but the means to get it done is nothing short of disgusting. see below link only a small example:

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/03/11/meaw_pm2_migrants_dubai/

I think its time for U.N and other countries to put pressure on Dubai to address these important issues, before they keep going ahead with these projects.

Just think to yourself, "who really is building all these towers?".

I do agree with you, but isn't it the workers choice to come here. Its not like the he's being forced out of his country. And besides these workers are coming from places where they can never get salleries like this. Also, the way construction workers are treated here, is almost the same way they are treated back from where they are from.

I'm not saying Dubai is NOT a bad city for treating them badly, but it shouldn't stop building things like this. As time passes the city, or the country will realise that workers are not slaves but are humans, and laws will have to change, but that shouldn't stop you in investing into things like this. Think about it. Buying a pair of Nike shoes, is just like buying a house in Dubai. Their both produced by people coming from the same backround. But knowing that those shoes, were made by a poor worker didn't change your mind, cause you still bought it. Its the same case with all these projects in Dubai. People still buy them, even though they were built by a labour worker.

OMG it's a freakin MONSTER!!!

ur back! where've u been hiding?

How will they pay for it? 20000 people buying at $3000 per square foot? :lol:
And where will the $100bn for the meraas development come from?

This might help

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2008/10/10/mme.b.cityscape.cnn

Again, even though its $ 3000/Sft, its going to sell out very quickly. It's the centre-piece of a new downtown and i can guarantee that over the course of construction it will double in value. Sounds unrealistic? I know, but it will happen and then again i can say, "I told you so"!!! :D

This weekend insh'allah i will post some pictures of site .

:bow:

am I right in thinking that the foundation work for this beast has actualy started already ?

If so can someone show me on a map exactly where it is being built.

I know it's near Ibn Battuta mall but can someone be more specific. Thanks.

Can someone mark the pic please.

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Kingdom Holding goes head to head with Nakheel over world's tallest tower
Published: 12 October 2008 13:48 GMT

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Model of the Kingdom Tower


Saudi Arabia's Kingdom Holding has unveiled its two major Jeddah projects, to be called Kingdom City and Kingdom Tower - which it claims will be the world's tallest tower.
Kingdom Tower will be over 1,000m tall, although no specific height has been announced for the structure.

The announcement comes just days after the UAE's Nakheel unveiled plans for what it claims to be the world's tallest tower.

Nakheel says its skyscraper will be more than 1 kilometre in height - although, like Kingdom Holding, it is not disclosing a final height - and will form the centrepiece of a $38bn development now known as Nakheel Harbour & Tower (MEED 06:10:08).

MEED reported in June that Nakheel had increased the height of the tower (previously called Al Burj) to 1.4km (MEED 20:06:08). Emaar's Burj Dubai is expected to reach 815 metres.

Kingdom City, located 20 kilometres from the old city of Jeddah, near King Abdulaziz International Airport, will cover an area of 7 square kilometres. It is expected to house 80,000 residents and accommodate 250,000 visitors.

The Kingdom Tower will form the centrepiece of the project. According to the company, total investment for the project will be SR100bn ($26bn).

It is the first time the designs for both projects have been revealed publicly. The unveiling took place at the international architectural exhibition being held in the city.

Some 16 projects planned for Mecca and the Jeddah region were also featured.

http://www.meed.com/news/2008/10/kingdom_holding_goes_headtohead_with_nakheel_over_worlds_tallest_tower.html

R

Good for them. That said, why would anyone want to live in KSA?

Oh and here you go HT:

http://db5.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24948730&postcount=1827

Or if you prefer:

http://i34.tinypic.com/vde6mh.jpg

Unles recent changes, the Kingdom Tower was reported to be 1001 meter, by some forumer who works for the company who (structurally) designed it. He reported months ago to have seen the design plans for a cone-shaped 1001 meters tall tower in ME all over the studio but the client and exact location were kept confidential.

I thought Prince Waleed has confirmed a 1.6Km tower? I'm so confused. Childhood was never this complicated. I miss worrying about getting the same player twice when buying a pack of football cards. At least you used to get a stick of bubble gum, to sweeten the blow of getting Ian Rush eight times.

Doesn't matter what anyone builds. Meraas' 2.4 km monster is in the pipeline! :nuts:

this is good news, it will keep Nakheel on it's heels. Two igo's going head to head, lets see who blinks first. In there worlds, 2nd means nothing at all, the gloves are off now.

You must admit, the model of Kingdom Tower also looks good, and taller if you ask me.

The kingdom tower looks rubbish, just like a big stick.

So the capital of Dubai will be thought of as nearer the Marina rather than Downtown Burj area is this correct.

Also I am asuming that many JLT and Marina towers will have views of this huge tower if it goes ahead in this location.

It will be very interesting to see what this development does for prices of the surrounding areas if anything ?

Why would the capital of Dubai be at the new NHT district?

DBD will continue to be the finance district simply because DIFC, SZR and BBay are all within the same area.

NHT district will probably be a second downtown, but in no way can it be compared to DBD for the aforementioned reasons.

Oh, and prices in JLT WILL go up; it has to happen. Real estate is all based up on location and views and if you're close to the tallest tower in the world and potentially have views, then you have the right to charge a premium for it. Besides, NHT, JLT and Marina will all eventually be integrated with some kind of tram service so that again should make a big difference.

Why would the capital of Dubai be at the new NHT district?

Just reading through the thread sort of gave me a clue realy.

I think the Nakheel marketing machine will literaly tower above Emaars DBD project and this end of Dubai as we know it will be the Capital of new Dubai. It makes sense that the new airport will be nearbye too i think.

from the Nakheel:
ISLAMIC INGENUITY INSPIRES DUBAI’S CAPITAL -
NAKHEEL HARBOUR & TOWER

Render from today's papers:
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http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/fullsize/Nampucha7_full.jpg

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The kingdom tower looks rubbish, just like a big stick.

Aaaa Aaaa Princess Waleed on table of tallest tower without any pretender he will kick in a F****King awesome design later on... So lets the game begin . :clown:

Aaaa Aaaa Princess Waleed on table of tallest tower without any pretender he will kick in a F****King awesome design later on... So lets the game begin . :clown:

Princess???? You know something we don't Bizzy?

:omg: has this tower been taking Viagra ? :lol:

This weekend insh'allah i will post some pictures of site .

great to hear that, i excited :)

This tower is so massiv. I hope 1140m is like the 705m for the Burj Dubai. 100m extra wouldn`t hurt. :D

I think its a pity that the view in Dubai is often not clear. I hope that the develoments will reduce the dust in the air.

So the capital of Dubai will be thought of as nearer the Marina rather than Downtown Burj area is this correct.

High Times, I actually think Nakheel is using that as a marketing ploy instead of a fact.

As far as I know, Dubai does not really have a "capital." If there was one, it would be Dubai Municipality.

If they will be moving Dubai Municipality to Nakheel Harbour and Tower, then I am sure we would have heard about it.

~1400 now

High Times, I actually think Nakheel is using that as a marketing ploy instead of a fact.

As far as I know, Dubai does not really have a "capital." If there was one, it would be Dubai Municipality.

If they will be moving Dubai Municipality to Nakheel Harbour and Tower, then I am sure we would have heard about it.

Thats a fair point, but in my experience if enough people are told something and the term is used often enough then it soon becomes fact, and even if it's not actualy fact then it's as good as fact because it is percieved to be a fact by the majority.

As an example there is no official Hotel rating over 5*.

However the world commonly refers to the 'Burj Al Arab' as being 7*. So if Nakheel decide to run with this campaign then my guess is that the world will refer to Nakheel Harbour as the Capital of Dubai.

Took some shots of the site area from the rooftop of Lakepoint yesterday, appologies for the grim colorisation of the photos but the windows were very dirty and there is no open rooftop here.

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Ok, so someone tell us what exactly is going on there right now? Is it just soil testing or anything more?

Thank you very much for the pics. :okay:


It`s a little bit disappointing. I thought we will see a real deep hole or something like that. From the pics it`s impossible to say where it will be build.

Deep excavation are rare in Dubai.

I guess if iam not wrong the 2nd & 5th pictures is for canal point project ...thanks for pictures chef :) i will take a night shots then :D

Engineers appointed for world's tallest tower


on Wednesday, 15 October 2008

TALLEST TOWER: WSP Group has been appointed structural engineers for Nakheel's ambitious project.Consultancy firm WSP Group has been appointed structural engineer for Nakheel’s project to build the world’s tallest tower in Dubai, the company announced on Wednesday.

UK-based WSP said it was already working on plans for the more than one-kilometre high structure, which Nakheel unveiled last week as part of the multi-billion dollar Nakheel Harbour and Tower development.

WSP revealed it was also playing a major role in Meraas Development’s $95 billion Jumeira Gardens scheme, Dubai’s first master planned urban regeneration development, also launched last week.

The company said it was an integral part of the Meraas’s program management team supporting the development of the master plan and infrastructure works for the scheme, to be delivered over many years.

Chris Cole, WSP Group chief executive officer, said he expected the firm’s business operations in the Middle East to grow significantly in the next few years.

"Success in winning projects of the calibre of the Nakheel Tower and Jumeira Gardens is a strong endorsement of our strategy to increase our global business and provide our employees with the opportunity to work on major landmark projects around the world.

"We expect to announce our appointment to further high-profile schemes across the Middle East in the very near future,” he said.

Work on-site is already underway for a third high-profile Dubai project, the Dubai World Trade Center District, for which WSP is acting as design consultant.

It is providing structural, mechanical and electrical engineering input, in addition to environmental, infrastructure and transportation guidance for the $1.36 billion first phase of the project.

It follows WSP’s recent appointment to provide a similar range of services on the Dubai Exhibition City development at the Dubai World Central development in Jebel Ali.

In addition, WSP was appointed earlier this year to develop the Green Building Code for Dubai, supporting Dubai’s commitment to introduce strong environmental performance to the design and development of its urban space.

WSP is already working on projects across the region covering Abu Dhabi, Oman, Bahrain and Kuwait.

It has increased staff numbers in the Middle East to around 1,000 after experiencing significant growth.


http://www.arabianbusiness.com/534380-engineers-appointed-for-worlds-tallest-tower?ln=en

well how far down is bedrock in the region?

The project is not on the palm... its a new location close to it....

Reposted...

Look at the new masterplan for the Palm Jumeirah. The central feature on the trunk has changed to a skyscraper. Keep in mind that the Trunk is about 3km long the tower looks like it will be at least 700meters!!!!

http://www.xpphotoalbum.com/data/500/3820PalmJumeirahSkyScraper1.JPG

http://www.xpphotoalbum.com/data/500/3820canal.JPG

http://www.xpphotoalbum.com/data/500/3820PalmJumeirahSkyScraper.JPG

http://www.xpphotoalbum.com/data/500/3820PalmJumeirahSkyScraper-night.JPG

Alt-Tab

The project is not on the palm... its a new location close to it....

Everyone knows that.

Remember, Alt-Tab posted that in 2004. It was true at the time.

docc and malec will love this

Dubai World Has `No Problem' Borrowing, Chairman Says (Update3)
By Matthew Brown and Laura Cochrane

Oct. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai World, developer of the man- made Palm islands and what will become the world's tallest tower, said it has no problem borrowing and disputed forecasts that the Gulf state will need help from neighboring Abu Dhabi.

Government-controlled companies owe at least $47 billion, more than Dubai's gross domestic product, and are accumulating debt at a faster pace than the economy is growing, Moody's Investors Service said in a report yesterday. Dubai's ``potential reliance'' on neighboring Abu Dhabi may be ``most significant'' in coming years, Moody's analysts said.

``We don't have any problem raising money,'' Dubai World Chairman Sultan Bin Sulayem said in a telephone interview today. ``Why would we announce a big tower if we can't afford to pay for it?''

Dubai's state companies have lost at least $6 billion on their five biggest public investments in the past two years, led by Dubai World's stake in casino operator MGM Mirage. Losses on undisclosed investments may be $30 billion, said Luis Costa, emerging-markets debt strategist at Commerzbank AG in London.

``About 80 percent of Dubai World is non-transparent, so it's a very tough game,'' said Costa. ``Deals such as the world's tallest tower may now need more capital injection from the state or may even fail.''

Ruler Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid has borrowed to replace Dubai's dwindling revenue from oil with earnings from tourism, finance and real estate. State-owned airline Emirates has increased its fleet to the largest in the Middle East and has the most orders worldwide for the Airbus A380 superjumbo, as the government seeks to double tourists per year to 15 million by 2015.

Building Towers

Dubai World owns DP World Ltd., the third-largest international port operator, Istithmar World, a private equity firm that acquired Barney's New York Inc. last year, and Nakheel PJSC, builder of the manmade palm-shaped islands in the Persian Gulf. The developer is also building the Nakheel Tower, which will surpass the Burj Dubai, currently the world's tallest at 707 meters.

DP World, which bought Peninsula and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. for $6.8 billion in 2006, has slumped 50 percent this year on the Dubai International Financial Exchange.

Dubai World agreed to pay about $5.1 billion for almost 10 percent of Kirk Kerkorian's MGM Mirage last year; the price has tumbled since to $16.80 from $84.

``We are not speculators; we do not buy to sell,'' bin Sulayem said today. ``Anything we buy we keep for at least five years.''

Plans to build hotels and resorts with MGM in Dubai and around the world are ``going ahead,'' he said.

Property Boom

Dubai has attracted some of the world's largest companies, including Microsoft Corp., Merrill Lynch & Co. and American Investment Group Inc. to tax-free business parks, spurring the development of finance, media and technology industries.

The model, copied by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, swelled the population of immigrant workers to outnumber emiraties by 10 to one and drove a quadrupling in real-estate prices in the past five years, according to property data from Dubai-based investment bank Al Mal Capital PSC.

The global credit crunch triggered by falling U.S. house prices is halting Dubai's real-estate boom and putting pressure on bank finances. The U.A.E. government said today it will provide $19 billion for banks, taking the total made available in the last month to $33 billion.

Lending Squeeze

Developers will find it harder to borrow as Dubai's property prices fall by 10 percent through the end of next year, according to Morgan Stanley.

``There is pressure on refinancing for property companies,'' Mai Attia, a Dubai-based property analyst at Morgan Stanley, said in a phone interview today. ``There will be major outflow in the short term and the question is how they will refinance maturing debt.''

Abu Dhabi, by contrast, owns more than 90 percent of the U.A.E.'s oil reserves and almost 8 percent of the world's total. The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, its sovereign wealth fund is the world's largest with as much as $875 billion in assets, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Moody's expects a ``high level'' of support from Abu Dhabi for the ``most important'' publicly owned companies.

Default Swaps

While Dubai World manages companies on behalf of the emirate of Dubai, assets belonging to Sheikh Mohammed including hotel chain Jumeirah Group are run by Dubai Holding LLC. The companies control about two-thirds of the Dubai real-estate market.

The cost to protect Dubai Holding's debt against default jumped almost four-fold in the past six months to 684 basis points, the highest in at least four years, according to traders of credit-default swaps.

Dubai Holding Commercial Operations Co.'s 10-year bonds due 2017 fell 0.8 percent today, lifting the yield to a record 13.2 percent, Bloomberg data show.

Credit-default swaps, contracts conceived to protect bondholders against default, pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a company fail to adhere to its debt agreements. An increase indicates a deterioration in the perception of credit quality.

``We are a very solid company and well diversified,'' bin Sulayem said. The notion of Dubai corporations having to rely on Abu Dhabi for funding ``is news to me,'' he said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Matthew Brown in Dubai at mbrown42@bloomberg.net; Laura Cochrane in Melbourne lcochrane3@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: October 14, 2008 08:49 EDT

C/U 16/10/08


http://i37.tinypic.com/1z1ws93.jpg

nxthenx, thanks for sharing those early renders with us.

I along with a lot of others didn't believe a word of it at first. That's because we all got fooled by some guy who said he had all this information, blablabla, and he posted a render which turned out to be only 250m and for some tower in jebel ali.

no problem.

19/Oct/2008

Nakheel Harbour Tower ( aka Al Burj/Tall Tower)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7686/imresolt141br2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4005/imresolt142hl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nxthenx, thanks for sharing those early renders with us.

I along with a lot of others didn't believe a word of it at first. That's because we all got fooled by some guy who said he had all this information, blablabla, and he posted a render which turned out to be only 250m and for some tower in jebel ali.

did i miss something????

thx Imre, slowly they should finish the slurry walls of the plot i think. when i remember right they started December 2007 or January 2008 with them

We don't really know how far the progress is. Imre, maybe you can ask a worker if you are back in Dubai .... again :lol:

did i miss something????

remember skytower?

^^:lol::nuts:

Nakheel tower overcomes design issues

on Saturday, 25 October 2008

Structural design challenges associated with building the Nakheel Tower has been overcome, according to WSP Middle East director of engineering Stephen Taylor.

Nakheel appointed WSP Group as structural engineer for its Nakheel Tower project earlier this month.

The tower, which will be more than 1km in height, will form the centrepiece of the US $38.12 billion (AED140 billion) Nakheel Harbour and Tower development.


"All I can say is that the tower is well into the design and most of the challenges have been solved," Taylor told Construction Week.

He refused to comment as consultants working on the tower have had to sign confidentiality agreements concerning the project details.

The Nakheel Tower is set to "race for the skies" with Saudi Arabia-based Kingdom Holding, which announced plans for a tower standing in excess of 1km immediately after the Nakheel Tower launch.

WSP has also played a programme management role supporting the development of the masterplan and infrastructure works in Meraas Development's $95 billion Jumeirah Gardens project, the first master-planned urban regeneration development in Dubai.

The firm was one of many hired by Meraas for the project. "We've made sure that the master plan, with the 30 plus consultants that we have had working on it, is one that we are confident with," Meraas CEO Sina Al Kazim said.


http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10248550.html

They should really build now as construction materials are cheap at the moment.

From WSP website: http://www.wspgroup.com/en/WSP-Group-engineering-consultants/Press/News-Archive/2008-group/WSP-designs-structure-for-the-worlds-tallest-tower/

The design challenges are met by an innovative solution in shaping the tower geometry to provide a highly robust and redundant structure, at the same time as creating an aerodynamic effect to minimise the effect of the local wind storms. The cylindrical tower is 95m in diameter, but in actuality is four towers encircling an internal void, linked at intervals by ‘sky bridges’. This design mitigates the effects of the wind load, allowing the air to pass freely through the building. In-depth research was undertaken to understand the special climatic issues of the region and the wind patterns at heights well above the city’s skyline. Studies were performed by the world’s leading wind tunnel laboratories to analyse the behaviour of the tower in every conceivable wind condition. The ‘slots’ in the building have been proven to reduce the windload by three-fold. An added benefit of this design is to allow large floor plates at high levels, as the building does not have to taper to counter the wind effect.

WSP is using existing technologies and design practices in unique ways to create a straightforward and efficient structure. “The innovative geometry employed makes the structural design a relatively simple and efficient solution, which will make the building easier to build, since there will be enough challenges just to deal with the height,” says Bart Sullivan, Director of WSP Cantor Seinuk, who is leading the project from WSP’s Middle East office.

The weight of the structure also presents a significant challenge. Nearly 400 huge foundation barrettes, capable of carrying forty 50-storey buildings, support the weight of the building. Specialist concrete technologies have been employed to produce concrete that is strong and at the same time able to be pumped to a great height. Whilst the vertical elements of the construction are concrete, floors are steel framed with composite metal decks to minimise weight.

Structural redundancy is very important in high rise structures. The sky bridges are a key structural feature in the design, serving as the link between the four towers, giving the building the stability and rigidity to enable it to cope with extreme event-scenarios.

The sky bridges offer community and public spaces as well as being the locations for such amenities as restaurants, leisure facilities, swimming pools and retail outlets. They also house mechanical, electrical and plumbing services and would provide safe crossing points if one of the towers were disabled due to an emergency. ....

Great article, explains everything u need.

thanks altind

Nakheel invites contractors to submit plans for Tall Tower in Dubai

Published: 31 October 2008 20:44 GMT Author: Colin Foreman More by this Author Last Updated: 31 October 2008 20:44

Contractors have until 20 November to bid for 1-kilometre-high skyscraper.
Selected companies have been invited to submit proposals by 20 November for a tower at least 1 kilometre high at the AED140bn ($38bn) Nakheel Harbour & Tower development in Dubai.

The companies are the local/Australian Al-Habtoor Leighton, the local/UK Al-Naboodah Laing O'Rourke, South Africa's Murray & Roberts Construction (Middle East), South Korea's Samsung Corporation, Japan's Taisei Corporation, and France's Vinci Construction Grand Projets.

The AED30bn tower will be developed over a period of 10 years. The client plans to shortlist two groups by the end of the year and select one group to provide pre-construction services by early 2009. The pre-construction period is expected to last for at least one year.

Enabling works on the development are being executed by France's Soletanche Bachy. The package is scheduled for completion in October 2010, and work on the tower's superstructure is expected to follow shortly after.

In June, sources close to the project said the tower had been designed to be 1.4km tall. However, Nakheel has only confirmed that it will be more than 1km high. Once finished, it will be taller than the Burj Dubai, which is expected to be about 820 metres high when completed in 2009.

The Tall Tower was originally called the Pinnacle and was to be located on the Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme, when it was renamed Al-Burj. The consultancy team for the tower includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia's Woods Bagot.

The development will be built alongside the proposed Arabian Canal and next to Ibn Battuta Mall and Jumeirah islands. It will cover an area of 2.7km and will be home to more than 55,000 people (MEED 8:10:08).

"The cost of construction of the tower, canal and other buildings will be AED140bn," Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, chairman of Dubai World and Nakheel told those attending the formal launch of the project on 5 October.

The development will include 250,000 square metres of hotels and hospitality space, and 100,000 sq m of retail space.

Other Nakheel projects have been affected by the global credit crisis. Work on its multi-billion dollar Palm Deira project has been scaled back, and it is now unclear what its development strategy across its $100bn-plus portfolio will be in the coming months.

It is likely that Nakheel, along with other developers in Dubai, will prioritise certain projects. The move to select a contractor for the Tall Tower suggests the scheme is a priority for Nakheel and the Dubai government.

In addition, the costs incurred during the preconstruction period will not be such a large financial burden as actual construction work such as dredging.

By 2011, when work on the tower's superstructure is due to start, the economic crisis may have passed, allowing Nakheel to proceed with work in a more benign financial climate.

http://www.meed.com/news/2008/10/nakheel_invites_contractors_to_submit_plans_for_tall_tower_in_dubai.html

R

Good news thanks TDG ...

Norman Disney & Young to work on Nakheel Harbour & Tower


http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/0/66480-NDY_Nakheel.jpg


Leading engineering firm Norman Disney & Young (NDY) is expanding its global influence with the launch of its Dubai office and the announcement that it will work on the landmark Nakheel Harbour & Tower project in Dubai.


NDY will provide mechanical, electrical, fire and hydraulic services for the kilometre-high Tower, plans for which were unveiled this month. The Nakheel Tower will have more than 200 floors, 150 lifts and enough facilities that residents need never leave the building. It will also lead the way in sustainable design.

The Nakheel Tower is NDY's biggest project to date, and the firm will provide services to an approximate 30-40% of the overall project value, including hydraulics, air conditioning, fire protection and evacuation systems.

In order to meet the task ahead, NDY has opened an office in Dubai. With ten staff already in place, it plans to double this number by the end of 2008, and continue recruiting into next year.

The sheer scale of the project will create a range of different and new challenges that NDY will have to mitigate, including:

- Temperature - the Tower experiences five different climactic conditions and, as a result, there are design considerations at each level. One such consideration is known as a 'reverse stack effect'. This will cause high pressure differences between inside the building and outside which will require careful management to prevent such problems as doors being very difficult to open, lift doors jamming and high air loss from air conditioned spaces.

- All water systems will require pumping in stages because pressure requirement exceeds the pressure rating of equipment and pipework. In the case of chilled water, the number of stages which can be used is limited by the temperature rise as the water passes though the heat exchangers between each pressure stage.

- Electrical systems - the project has the power requirements equivalent to those of a small city, necessitating substations throughout the Tower. Back up power supplies will also be crucial because in the case of fire the Tower's 156 lifts will be essential for evacuation.

- Environmental considerations - these will include an on-site black water treatment plant, providing the equivalent of 10 Olympic-sized swimming pools of recycled water per day. This water will be used for irrigation within the overall development.

Dennis O'Brien, NDY director, said:

'The Nakheel Tower represents one of the most groundbreaking construction and infrastructure projects in the world to date, and we relish the opportunity to be involved. Every project raises fresh challenges but none more so than this one. NDY is committed to finding the most effective solution for each challenge.'



'As a business, this project also presents the opportunity for NDY to grow into the Middle East, with the launch of our new office in this expanding market strengthening the firm's international position,' O'Brien added.


http://www.ameinfo.com/173779.html

Realisticaly, what is an educated timescale for this thing.

Foundations Done -
Podium Done -
Tower U/C -
Half way up -
Topped out -
In use -

Intelligent Idea anyone ? ?

^^ Nakheel says 3 years for the foundations and 7 years for the tower, so a total of 10 years or twice the time-frame for Burj Dubai.

BTW, unlike the Marina towers, the podium seams like a total separate structure wrapping around the lower part of the tower.

It would definitely be great to see this one go up; 4 towers rising at the same time! :nuts:

and its still on the ground work? How much longer for that, or does that include foundation???

^^ 3 years

A decade of construction is a looooong time for a single tower. I understand that there might be many engineering difficulties that they might face but i don't know how many investors would like to pay for a product that will get delivered after 10 years.

It would definitely be great to see this one go up; 4 towers rising at the same time! :nuts:

Why you have to put a investor spin to any of your posts?

You're right, my bad.

I'm just so used to it, that i don't even realize i'm doing it anymore! I'll edit the post; thanks for the point out.

Oh and if i do it again, please feel free to delete the post; i'll know why it was deleted :cheers:

You're right, my bad.

I'm just so used to it, that i don't even realize i'm doing it anymore! I'll edit the post; thanks for the point out.

Oh and if i do it again, please feel free to delete the post; i'll know why it was deleted :cheers:

:rofl: Hope for your sake that his patronising radar is off.

It would definitely be great to see this one go up; 4 towers rising at the same time! :nuts:

You could have a view from my balcony at "Lakepoint" Tower if you like to ;)

What a perfect place to take some great pictures of the al burj site. Can't believe he missed it:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3025189970_c75b9d3d89_b.jpg

World's tallest tower secrets revealed


on Friday, 14 November 2008

TOWER SECRETS: Architects have revealed how the world's tallest tower will cope with high winds. (Supplied)Architects behind the design of the Nakheel's one kilometre high Dubai tower have revealed the secrets of how it will cope with high winds.

Mark Mitcheson-Low, director in charge of the project and Woods Bagot Middle East managing director, said the cylindrical tower, which will be 95 metres in diameter, is in fact four towers encircling an internal void, linked at intervals by sky bridges.

This design, he said, would mitigate the effects of the wind load, allowing the air to pass freely through the building.

The individual quadrants of the building allow for structural rigidity against the strong winds usually experienced at the higher building levels.

Often limiting engineering possibilities beyond 500 metres, the wind will pass through vertical gills, which have been proven in wind tunnel testing to reduce the windload by three-fold.

At about every 25 levels, sky bridges will bind the building together to provide a structural integrity which, unlike any building before it, affords the tower greatly increased stability and the opportunity to build higher.

They will also house mechanical, electrical and plumbing services and would provide safe crossing points if one of the towers were disabled due to an emergency, Mitcheson-Low added.

He said: "The design is an example of the human ability to overcome the forces of nature and harness them to create a monument dedicated to past, present and future generations of the Gulf.

"Nakheel and Woods Bagot have pushed the design envelope with a project that will be central to the development of one of the world's most exciting cities."

When Nakheel announced the project prior to the Cityscape show in Dubai in September, it was said to become the world's tallest tower when complete but shortly afterwards, Saudi-based Kingdom Holding Company said it was planning to build the Kingdom Tower which would be more than 1km high.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/538241-worlds-tallest-tower-secrets-revealed

Nakheel extends closing date for tower proposals

* Published: 18 November 2008 14:00 GMT
* Author: Colin Foreman
* More by this Author
* Last Updated: 19 November 2008 13:24

The closing date for preliminary proposals for the 1 kilometre-plus tower planned by the UAE's Nakheel has been extended to 4 December. The tower is part of the AED140bn ($38bn) Nakheel Harbour & Tower development in Dubai.

The companies invited to bid for the tower are the local/Australian Al-Habtoor Leighton, the local/UK Al-Naboodah Laing O'Rourke, South Africa's Murray & Roberts Construction (Middle East), South Korea's Samsung Corporation, Japan's Taisei Corporation and France's Vinci Construction Grand Projets.

The AED30bn tower will be developed over 10 years. The client plans to shortlist two groups by the end of 2008 and select one group to provide pre-construction services by early 2009. The pre-construction period is expected to last for at least a year.

Enabling works on the development are being carried out by France's Soletanche Bachy. The package is scheduled for completion in October 2010, and work on the tower's superstructure is expected to follow shortly after.

In June, sources close to the project said the tower had been designed to be 1.4 km high. However, Nakheel has only confirmed that it will be more than 1km high. Once finished, it will be taller than the Burj Dubai, which is expected to be about 820 metres high when completed in 2009.

The consultancy team for the tower includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia's Woods Bagot.

The development will be built alongside the proposed Arabian Canal and next to Ibn Battuta Mall and Jumeirah islands. It will cover an area of 2.7km and will be home to more than 55,000 people (MEED 31:10:08).

R

Behind the scenes: Nakheel's tallest tower plan http://www.arabianbusiness.com/536315-behind-the-scenes-nakheels-tallest-tower-plan

Just watched a Sky News reporter saying a decesion will be made next year whether to go ahead with this project based on the current economic situation.
Has anyone heard thsi from any other source also?I havent.
I think he's quite ignorant judging by the other things he was saying but it would make sense if Nakheel are re-thinking this because of the current situation.
However,surely they wouldnt have announced this project only a few weeks ago if there was any doubt?

according to Soletanche Bachy they began with the foundation already...

http://www.bachy-soletanche.com/sbf/wwwsbf_uk.nsf/pages/15F066DE1210EA97C12574F2005852BA

but the article is from Ocotber 24th

I feel that the construction is on as they have installed 4-5 cranes there and now you can clearly see Nakheel Harbour & Tower board at the site office entrance

4-5 cranes installed already. Why would that need that many cranes at this part of construction? I thought that the ground works were supposed to last about 3 years. Anyway this is great news, at least its showing some progress; for now anyway.

I would appreciate a pic next time someone is in the area, even if it just from the car.

Edit: Just thought, could it be some kind of sales office?

Aren't you peoples talking about the 3000 car park-and-ride parking lot near the Dubai Metro station? :weird:

Nakheel Tower will not be delayed
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/539756-worlds-tallest-tower-plan-will-not-be-delayed

^^ That article mentiones a 1.4km high skyscraper.. :nuts:

DUBAI.

Trotz Finanzkrise: Mit dem Bau eines Turms von mehr als 1000 Metern Höhe plant Dubai einen weiteren Superlativ. Er soll das höchste Gebäude der Welt werden. Das Bauunternehmen Nakheel, nach eigenen Angaben das größte Dubais, will mit dem so genannten „Nakheel Harbour & Tower“ ein neues Wahrzeichen für die boomende Stadt am persischen Golf errichten. Investitionsvolumen des Gesamtvorhabens: 28 Mrd. Euro. Dabei hält der Burj Dubai bereits den Titel „höchstes Gebäude der Welt“. Er erhielt diese Auszeichnung schon in der Bauphase, als er 600 Meter Höhe erreicht hatte. Nach Abschluss der Konstruktion soll der Burj Dubai eine Höhe von mehr als 800 Metern haben.

http://www.ahgz.de/maerkte-und-unternehmen/Turm-kratzt-am-Himmel,200012159312.html

Translation please; otherwise it's just pointless.

Thanks.

you can read nothing new...so no need to translate it :)

Danke Schon.

Since we've stopped using English. And that's the only German i know :lol:

Danke Schon.

When time will come to say that loud, many people in this forum will be happy ... especially those in JV and JA Downtown section :lol:

^^ :lol:

Touche!

Don't forget their biggest folly i.e The Lagoons :ohno:

^^ Oops, forgot DL is not in JV :D

^^ Does it matter? :lol:

U/C in the world forums !!

^^ Well, it is in the prep phase, isn't it? So why surprised?

U/C in the world forums !!

How about on Emporis ?!

^^ Approved .... :doh:

^^ The reason why I changed it is because of the report from the foundation contractor. You can probably use that as a source to change it at emporis if you want.

^^ Why the disparity?

lots of activities there but difficult to see anything from outside:)

06/December/2008

Nakheel Harbour Tower

I have heard that many new cranes at the site, so those cranes for another site,JLT-JI parking building for the metro.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/950/imresolt001nm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9085/imresolt012ox7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Well, the good thing is that atleast work is going on. The last thing this project needs is a delay considering it already requires 10 years to complete!

Al-Habtoor Leighton, Murray & Roberts and Al Naboodah Laing O’Rourke are among the contractors which have bid for the pre-construction phase of work on the 1 kilometre-plus tower planned by Nakheel.

The three construction firms confirmed to Arabian Business on Wednesday they placed bids before last week’s deadline for the contract which involves preliminary non-construction work on the mega-project including programme costing.

The master developer is expected to compile a shortlist of contractors by the end of the year before selecting one company by early 2009 to provide pre-construction services for the structure, which is planned to be the tallest tower in the world.

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The pre-construction period is expected to last for around a year, with the tower developed over 10 years.

Nakheel chief executive Chris O’Donnell said last month funding for the $38.12 billion project, unveiled in October, would be secured by the sale of land around the tower to other developers.

The tower is part of the Nakheel Harbour & Tower development in Dubai, which will cover an area of 2.7km and be built alongside the proposed Arabian Canal.


http://www.arabianbusiness.com/540732-construction-giants-vie-for-nakheel-tower-deal

i wanted to post on the 'supertalls' as well,but the forum is closed!!:ohno:

Portland masterplans retail space in 1km-tall Dubai tower

12.12.2008

Publication date: 11 December 2008 11:26 AM

Portland Design is masterplanning the 70 000m2 retail area in Dubai's proposed 1km-tall Nakheel Tower (concept image pictured).

Property developer Nakheel, which is also responsible for Dubai's Palm Islands project, appointed the consultancy in July, six months after Portland approached the developer about the project.

Portland reports that in the build-up to the tower's completion in 2012, Nakheel will be seeking lighting and wayfinding designers, among other design specialists.

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'We intend to compete for the wayfinding contract when that comes along', says Portland general manager, United Arab Emirates, Stephen Walsh, wondering at the 'challenge of lighting a 1km-high building'.

The tower is being designed by architect Woods Bagot, but the plan details remain a mystery, apparently to prevent other developers beating the tower's record-breaking scale.

Nevertheless, Portland reveals that the retail area will cover several levels in the base of the tower, the foundations for which are now complete. The building will feature several independent structures joining to create one.

Portland aims to differentiate the mall from the dozens of huge shopping centres in Dubai.

'We want to help create a neighbourhood for the wider community, and fully integrate landscaping and the public realm into the retail design. We also have to bear in mind, of course, that it will be a major tourist attraction,' says the group's creative head of developments, Markham Darbyshire.

Walsh would not reveal Portland's conclusions about the shape and size of the retail offer, but he describes the group's role on the project as 'looking at who the customers are, how much space can be supported by the customer base, how the space should be distributed across the site and how it should be allocated'.

Most of the mall's customers will be drawn from the new Nakheel Harbour development, which will include more than 19 000 residential apartments.

http://www.designweek.co.uk/Articles/140749/Portland+masterplans+retail+space+in+1km-tall+Dubai+tower.html

Nakheel receives bids for Tall Tower

Published: 12 December 2008 12:48 GMT Author: Colin Foreman More by this Author Last Updated: 12 December 2008 12:48

Three groups submit proposals for 10-year project to build AED30bn landmark skyscraper in Dubai.

Local developer Nakheel has received proposals from three groups for the contract to build the tower at the AED140bn ($38bn) Nakheel Harbour and Tower development in Dubai.

The bidders are a joint venture of the local/Australian Al-Habtoor Leighton, South Africa's Murray & Roberts Contractors (Middle East) and Japan's Takenaka Corporation; the UK's Laing O'Rourke in joint venture with Japan's Taisei Corporation; and South Korea's Samsung Corporation (MEED 18:11:08).

Samsung is also part of a joint venture that is building the Burj Dubai, along with the local/Belgian Bel Hasa Six Construct and the local Arabtec Construction.

The AED30bn Nakheel tower will be developed over 10 years. The client plans to shortlist two groups by the end of the year and select one to provide pre-construction services by early 2009. The pre-construction period is expected to last at least one year. Enabling works on the development, which are scheduled to be completed in October 2010, are being executed by France's Soletanche Bachy. Work on the tower's superstructure is expected to follow shortly after.

In June, sources close to the project said the tower had been designed to be 1.4 kilometres tall. However, Nakheel has only confirmed that it will be more than 1km high. Even so, once finished, it will be taller than the Burj Dubai, which is expected to be about 820 metres high when completed in 2009.

The Nakheel tower was originally called the Pinnacle and was to be located on the Palm Jumeirah, before becoming part of the Dubai Waterfront scheme, when it was renamed Al-Burj. It is now known as the Tall Tower.

The consultancy team for the tower includes UK-based WSP, US-based Leslie E Robertson Associates and Australia's Woods Bagot.

The development will be built alongside the proposed Arabian Canal next to Ibn Battuta Mall and Jumeirah islands.

It will cover an area of 2.7 square kilometres and will be home to more than 55,000 people. The development will also include 250,000 sq m of hotel and hospitality space, and 100,000 sq m of retail space.

The scheme was launched in October 2008 but, given the global economic climate, doubts soon surfaced over whether it would move ahead. Nakheel has already begun to delay work on some of its other projects, such as Palm Deira and Dubai Waterfront, Gateway Towers and Trump International Hotel and Tower.

However, the developer's decision to move ahead with the Tall Tower is the latest sign that some major schemes will proceed.

The Al-Habtoor/Murray & Roberts/Takaneka joint venture was recently awarded the AED4.9bn ($1.3bn) contract to build Concourse 3 at Dubai International airport (MEED 8:12:08).

R

Nakheel Harbour and Tower from Google Earth (updated Dubai version):

the circle is 130 m in diameter... more than 13,000 sqm!!!

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7282/nhtad1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Wow! Amazing diameter! I hope they dont stop this project during financial crisis...

Dang! That thing is MASSIVE. Any idea how this compares to BD's footprint?

To compare with: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21891164&postcount=1728

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/3108676100_ba71a259df_o.jpg

Many changes!

the circle looks impressive...130m are really gigantic!

Wow! Amazing diameter! I hope they dont stop this project during financial crisis...

nope, they won't. when the tower is finished the crisis are over already :)

This is the comparrison.
However remember the al burj diameter is 95m so doesn't take up that whole area.

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^^ is it the proper scale?

^^ Yes it is, I haven't a clue what the scale is but whatever it is they're both to the same scale. That circular plot is bigger than the tower diameter though. It's 135m in diameter there whereas the tower is only 95m

19/December/2008

Nakheel Harbour Tower

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Nakheel has put Palm Deira on hold and slowed down the reclamation work at the Waterfront and Palm Jebel Ali by 75% for the next 12 months. They have also shelved building projects (e.g. Trump tower) and fired 15% of their workforce (I know it already happened in their NAM arm on Dec 1st).

No money and no demand either.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll see any progress in the next 2 years... if at all.

Sad mgt...

^^Errr, we've known that since more than a few weeks now.

Nakheel has given statements that as of now only Waterfront, The Universe, parts of Palm Deira, Trump Tower, Gateway towers and Frond N villa's will be delayed. Everything else is going ahead.

Since NHT is a 10 year project, it is going ahead irrespective of what is happening right now. The lack of funds is one of the main reasons why Nakheel is in talks with major investment banks for an IPO to be launched this year.

True, and besides, they've got 3 years to work on the foundations and by that time this whole sorry mess will have long been put to rest.

Then it will be time for the superstructure to RISE!! :banana:

Completion of NHT = 2019-2020 :)

OMG just realized bizzy will be 20 years old by then! :lol::lol: :D


;)

You mean i'll be the chairman of DAMAG Inc. by 2020 sound cool ...

LOL

^^ Chairman of DAMAG Inc?

Sorry, that position already PERMANENTLY filled! :D LOL ;)

Burj Dubai is gonna enjoy looooog time at the top before NHT takes the crown that's for sure. :)

Nakheel has put Palm Deira on hold and slowed down the reclamation work at the Waterfront and Palm Jebel Ali by 75% for the next 12 months. They have also shelved building projects (e.g. Trump tower) and fired 15% of their workforce (I know it already happened in their NAM arm on Dec 1st).

No money and no demand either.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll see any progress in the next 2 years... if at all.

Sad mgt...



hmm, let me requote myself about nakheel and the construction of this baby from the other thread.

well, i caught something where nakheel was saying they wanted to push through with this project because of the time it will take to construct. They are predicting that through market swings, it will be finished during an upswing (which they're timing is pretty accurate with the averages). They fully acknowledged the slump in the market but they are banking on the market in 10-12 yrs.

So it makes perfect since to delay the projects that will only take a few years to build and keep this one moving.

09/January/2009

Nakheel Harbour Tower

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I hate the pilling phase, you can't see any progress :(....and still a quite long time until they'll finish with pilling

Agreed. This is the worst time - not to mention the most frustrating too. U just want the soil testing, ground preparation and piling over with and "see" the thing out of the ground right! lol But of course, this all takes time for very good reasons. Otherwise = TIMBERRRRR! = :runaway:

:lol::lol:

Can't remember how long they spent on Burj Dubai foundations, etc, before it was above ground? NHT is gonna take twice as long to complete at the least so we're definitely in for a very long haul here. :sleepy:

when i remember right they started anytime in 2003 with the foundation, and with the first floor ( still underground ) in March 2005

Hi Joy Machine

Thx for the clarification on your previous post...and I guess my apologies if mine went w/o much explanations and seemed daft.

My comment goes along the lines that if Nakheel has gone over the credit line and terms - late with payments - with the dredging companies and these have packed bags and left, I don't know how NK is going to find the money to fund the ground work and piling for a tower that is going to be a huge cash out-flow for 10 years when they don't even have the cash to complete other large 'iconic' projects with a more balance and faster cash flow.

Bottom-line, apart of studies, testing, viability analyses and so on done by in-house staff I would not hold hopes of seeing any changes for the next couple of years in the site footprint.

But hopefully I'm wrong... or may be NK gets sold to ADH, the tower moved to Al Reem Is and the building gets going. Expect the unexpected...

...I don't know how NK is going to find the money to fund the ground work and piling for a tower that is going to be a huge cash out-flow for 10 years when they don't even have the cash to complete other large 'iconic' projects with a more balance and faster cash flow.

LTApt, I believe that Nakheel plan on selling land to cover these costs. Can't remember exactly where I read this though, sorry. And I think the land in question will be in and around the site/vicinity of NHT.

Anyone, correct me if I am wrong on this. But it is what I read. :)

when i remember right they started anytime in 2003 with the foundation, and with the first floor ( still underground ) in March 2005

Thx ZZ :cheers: Saved me the bother of having to look it up for myself. :sleepy:


:D

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090113/BUSINESS/141464464/1005


Nakheel Tower work halted for year

DUBAI // Construction work on the Nakheel Tower – a building that would soar more than 1km high to be the world’s tallest when completed – has been stopped for a year.

“Further work on the foundations of Nakheel Harbour and Tower will commence in 12 months,” said a Nakheel spokesman. “The foundation works are likely to take approximately three years to complete.”
A senior project manager said several employees working on the Dubai project had been laid off because “work has stopped until further notice”.

The stalling of the tower is the latest in a string of delays on Nakheel’s most prominent projects as a result of the slowdown in the property market.

Other developments that have been affected include the Trump International Hotel and Tower, Frond N villas, and Gateway Towers, as well as parts of the Waterfront and Palm Deira.
In late November, the company laid off 500 employees, about 15 per cent of its labour force, “in light of the current global market conditions”.

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yesterday I saw the site, still workers and cars there.

if its ON HOLD the site should be the same as the Chicago Spire site.

I will see today again.

Dubai halts work on new tallest skyscraper as even oil-rich Arab countries feel the pinch of the credit crunch

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This is an artist impression of Nakheel's new skyscraper in Dubai that, when built, could become the world's tallest building - but for now construction has been put on hold

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 6:11 PM on 14th January 2009

The developer of potentially the world's tallest skyscraper is halting work on the project for a year as the Middle East's business and entertainment capital grapples with the financial crisis.

State-owned builder Nakheel's decision to shelve the landmark development - which it unveiled only in October - came as a leading credit rating firm warned that falling real estate prices will likely hurt banks in Dubai and elsewhere in the United Arab Emirates.

Home values in the emirate tumbled 8 percent in the last three months from the previous quarter, a report said, marking what analysts say is the first such decline in years.

The halted skyscraper was planned to soar the length of more than 10 American football fields. Analysts said its unveiling late last year showed a lot of confidence amid the souring global economy.

State-owned Nakheel said in a brief statement that 'further work' on its building's foundations '[would] commence in 12 months'.

The developer did not say how much work, if any, had already been completed.

'This is part of our readjustment of our immediate business plans to better reflect the current market trends and match supply with demand,' the company said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1116203/Dubai-halts-work-new-tallest-skyscraper-oil-rich-Arab-countries-feel-pinch-credit-crunch.html

This is so disappointing, but again, how can we be surprised with the way things are going? Nakheel must be a lot more desperate than people realize? I was hoping that even with a slow-down with the work they would have carried on and finished with the foundations. :ohno: Well, that's another year added to the tally - at the very least! :bash:

The developer did not say how much work, if any, had already been completed.


p.s i need something from www.nakheel.com


:D

1050 m

on emporis

http://www.emporis.com/ge/wm/bu/?id=nakheeltower-dubai-unitedarabemirates

Nakheel delays work on tall tower project

* Published: 14 January 2009 12:02 GMT
* Author: Colin Foreman
* More by this Author
* Last Updated: 14 January 2009 13:57

Nakheel Tower

Local develop Nakheel has instructed the contractor working on the foundations package of its tall tower project to stop work.

Enabling works on the development were originally scheduled to be completed in October 2010, and were being executed by France's Soletanche Bachy. Work on the tower's superstructure was expected to follow shortly after.

In December Nakheel received proposals from three groups for the contract to build the tower. The bidders were a joint venture of the local/Australian Al-Habtoor Leighton, South Africa's Murray & Roberts Contractors (Middle East) and Japan's Takenaka Corporation; the UK's Laing O'Rourke in a joint venture with Japan's Taisei Corporation; and South Korea's Samsung Corporation (MEED 12:12:08).

If it is ever built, the tower is expected to be the world's tallest. In June, sources close to the project said the tower had been designed to be 1.4 kilometres tall. However, Nakheel has only confirmed that it will be more than 1km high.

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Beauty view from NHT

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wow, I didn't even think it had started yet.
what floor is it taken from? your apartment I'm assuming.. ;)

^^:cool:

nothing ON HOLD , workers there and preparing a huge hole:)

20/January/2009

Nakheel Harbour Tower

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that hole is not for the tower, it's a grave for Nakheel's top management.

nothing ON HOLD , workers there and preparing a huge hole:)

Hope u are right Imre...but I wonder if it's just that they haven't halted the initial works yet?

nothing ON HOLD , workers there and preparing a huge hole


may be they put the construction work of the tower on hold..not the basement.:)

don't think so ^^.

Crazy idea but maybe they are having it, "On Hold" just for the record and are cutting pay to... Zero for the workers. It'd be cruel, but efficient and you could have to project/s still going.

Of course I doubt that... a lot. lol

25/January/2009

Nakheel Harbour Tower

bad news, removig the Nakheel site office has begun

good news, SB is there and still working

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why nakheel destroy their offices, when it be on hold for 12 month. they dont believe that they come back to this project?
And they still digging the hole? SB wants to realize the project maybe alone? Possible?

29/January/2009

Nakheel Harbour Tower

game over

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I heard, its not just ON HOLD, Nakheel will never start here again, maybe another one which can survive this market situation.

Aldar hopefully?

God unbelievable !! Fu..ing crunch !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the plans come out of the desk if the crunch will end ! Maybe next year !

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Forget this happening for at least 5 years

^^Nop, 1-2 years !!

Your dreaming buddy.

There wont be the money to build this until either;

A- world econemy is booming again
B- Dirham/Dollar becomes cheaper
C- Oil is around $80 - $100 a barrell.

on hold then ;(

Your dreaming buddy.

There wont be the money to build this until either;

A- world econemy is booming again
B- Dirham/Dollar becomes cheaper
C- Oil is around $80 - $100 a barrell.

USA will invest 1 billion USD
China will invest 400 mrd. USD
Don't know the exact amount of India, but this should be around 600 mrd. USD

Your dreaming buddy.

There wont be the money to build this until either;

A- world econemy is booming again
B- Dirham/Dollar becomes cheaper
C- Oil is around $80 - $100 a barrell.

So the good news is that no other middle east country will attempt to build a taller tower then the Burj Dubai for a long time either?

If so then the Burj and Dubai can bask in the glory of being and having the tallest tower in the world for a good many years.

As much as I would like to see the N Tower go up,it would have taken a little of the gloss off the Burj the fact that before its even finished another taller tower was to be under construction.

No.

I think the Saudi's will do it.

Big business is already moving to KSA. Several business comentators are now saying that Saudi Arabia is a sleeping giant in the Middle East.

Saudi? They may have the money, but i don't think they offer the kind of lifestyle that Dubai and the UAE do.

Yea that's true , that's why most of them came to UAE for same reason .

No.

I think the Saudi's will do it.

Big business is already moving to KSA. Several business comentators are now saying that Saudi Arabia is a sleeping giant in the Middle East.

The one who wanted to do it, lost billions from his own pockets. ;)

I doubt Prince Al Waleed would bother venturing into any ego boosting investments right now.

Saudi? They may have the money, but i don't think they offer the kind of lifestyle that Dubai and the UAE do.

Very true. They certainly do have the money to build as many of these towers as they please, but so what?? Seriously now, would u or anyone else here enjoy living under - or even remotely consider funding such an oppressive authoritarian regime? I think not! Unless of course, u just happen to be a little :weird:?! :dunno:

So the good news is that no other middle east country will attempt to build a taller tower then the Burj Dubai for a long time either?

If so then the Burj and Dubai can bask in the glory of being and having the tallest tower in the world for a good many years.

As much as I would like to see the N Tower go up,it would have taken a little of the gloss off the Burj the fact that before its even finished another taller tower was to be under construction.

No worries there, doesn't matter where or who announce building a taller tower, the cold reality is that Burj Dubai will still be tallest tower on earth many years from now. And then add the financial crisis/slowdown to that and what will u have? Believe me, it will be a very long time yet before anything climbs above that spire on top of Burj Dubai. It may well be a good decade yet before anything comes close to the heights of BD IMHO. I mean, 3 years to complete the foundations on NHT alone, then allow double the time it took on BD to complete the superstructure, so yeah, BD and Dubai will be basking in the sun for a looooog time yet. :)

No worries there, doesn't matter where or who announce building a taller tower, the cold reality is that Burj Dubai will still be tallest tower on earth many years from now. And then add the financial crisis/slowdown to that and what will u have? Believe me, it will be a very long time yet before anything climbs above that spire on top of Burj Dubai. It may well be a good decade yet before anything comes close to the heights of BD IMHO. I mean, 3 years to complete the foundations on NHT alone, then allow double the time it took on BD to complete the superstructure, so yeah, BD and Dubai will be basking in the sun for a looooog time yet. :)

You are sooooooo wrong..........
The Financial Crisis at the most will linger for 5 years. The Great Depression lasted only 10 years and WAS far worse then we are right now. So the World's Economy will go up in a couple of years or so. I estimate the Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest for another 10 years.

^^ What a knob, says "you are so wrong" and then writes a reply totally agreeing with what the "wrong" poster said.

You are sooooooo wrong..........
. I estimate the Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest for another 10 years.

NT will take 10 years to build,apparantly.So will any other tallest building.
Therefore,unless they start it tommorow,Burj Dubai will be the tallest building for a good while longer than 10 years.

You are sooooooo wrong..........
The Financial Crisis at the most will linger for 5 years. The Great Depression lasted only 10 years and WAS far worse then we are right now. So the World's Economy will go up in a couple of years or so. I estimate the Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest for another 10 years.

I'm sooooooo wrong yet you still say you completely agree with me?!?!? :hilarious

I estimate the Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest for another 10 years.

The foundation works alone for NHT are projected to last about 3 years, the superstructure will take another 10 years [at the least, according to Nakheel] and then you can just throw the WORLD FINANCIAL MELTDOWN on top of all that! And this is only focusing on NHT, what about other super-talls that may be even taller than NHT that will be proposed in time?! Take my word for it, Burj Dubai will have ZERO competition at these kind of heights for many years to come.

08/March/2009

Nakheel Harbour Tower

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Do you think this thread will still be here on completion of the tower? Thats 10 years minimum, blimey, it will surely be the longest and biggest thread...in the world.... :banana:

LOL Yeah, if NHT is really gonna happen then this thread will follow it all the way to topping out! I'm sure it will! Along with all of us, too, hopefully. :)

Looking at Imre's pics here - f$$k if only they could have just kept working away on the foundations at least. :ohno:

Nakheel Tower hits further delay

United Arab Emirates: Saturday, March 14 - 2009 at 13:24

Construction work on the Nakheel Tower will be further delayed after announcements that it has been stopped for a year. The National has cited a Nakheel spokesman saying further work on the foundations of Nakheel Harbour and Tower will commence in 12 months and foundation works are likely to take approximately three years to complete. The tower plans to be over 1km high to be the world's tallest when completed.

http://www.ameinfo.com/188424.html

At least it isn't cancelled (yet)

^^

Who are they kidding?

Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest tower for at least the next 10 years.

This one going to the "cancelled" section is only a matter of time. They couldn't possibly carry on with it and still hold tight to that very last shread of integrity that someone's left with Nakheel, as a token jesture of pity.

^^ Could be such a vision project but it not cancelled at all :)

Las dos capitales del mundo:
New York-Dubai
visit:
Ciudad de NEUQUEN
The Dubai of Argentina

I think this will be built, becasue it will only start construction after the recession is over, which will be by next year, or 2011.

World’s tallest tower put on hold
Last Updated: May 03. 2009 6:03PM UAE / May 3. 2009 2:03PM GMT DUBAI // Dubai World said on Sunday it would complete all projects currently under construction but would delay any new developments, including a plan to build the world’s tallest tower, until market conditions improve.

Dubai World unit Nakheel, developer of Dubai’s palm-tree shaped islands, said in January it would halt work on a one kilometre tall tower for a year as the former boomtown suffers from a downturn in its property market.

“The tower will be delayed until the market changes. You can’t build something like that in this kind of market,” Dubai World Chairman Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem said at a tourism conference.

The company had already said in January it would postpone the project for a year.

Property prices in Dubai slumped about 41 percent in the first three months of 2009 compared with the fourth quarter, property consultants Colliers said last month.

“Whatever is under construction will be continued. Whatever is planned will be shelved, delayed,” said Mr Sulayem, whose Nakheel is also building an archipelago in the form of a world map but is putting off plans to develop islands modelled after the sun, the moon and the planets.

“Anything committed to we shall finish it, everything that cannot currently be financed will be delayed,” he said.

*Reuters

Slowdown signs - One kilometer tall tower to be delayed
Wednesday, 06 May 2009

Reuters reported that Dubai World would complete all projects currently under construction but would delay any new developments including a plan to build the world’s tallest tower until market conditions improve.

Dubai World unit Nakheel, developer of Dubai’s palm shaped islands said that in January it would halt work on a one kilometer tall tower for a year.

Mr Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem chairman of Dubai World said that “The tower will be delayed until the market changes. You can’t build something like that in this kind of market.”

Mr Bin Sulayem said that “Whatever is under construction will be continued. Whatever is planned will be shelved, delayed.” He added that “Anything committed to we shall finish it, everything that cannot currently be financed will be delayed.”

(Sourced from Reuters)

http://steelguru.com/news/index/2009/05/06/OTMzMDA%3D/Slowdown_signs_-_One_kilometer_tall_tower_to_be_delayed.html

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Work on Nakheel Tower further delayed

by Jamie Stewart Jun 8, 2009

Nakheel has further pushed back work on its flagship 1km-high Nakheel Tower project.

Work on the project will not resume until the start of June next year at the earliest, a spokesperson for the Dubai-based master developer has confirmed.

Development was set to resume in January next year after being placed on hold for what was originally a 12 month period at the beginning of this year.

But, asked to confirm whether the developer still intended to resume work in January, a spokesperson said that “further work on the foundations of Nakheel Harbour and Tower will commence in 12 months.

“This is part of our readjustment of our immediate business plans, to better reflect the current market trends and match supply with demand.”

Construction of the tower was originally expected to take ten years to complete in phases, with work on the foundations alone scheduled to take three years. WSP Group was appointed structural engineer on the tower in October last year.

The tower, when built, will stand around 200 storeys tall and have around 150 lifts. It will form the centrepiece of a 2.7 million m2 marina development called Nakheel Harbour and Tower near to Dubai’s Ibn Battuta Mall.

The original master plan for the Nakheel Harbour and Tower project included a further 40 towers ranging in height from 20 storeys to 90 storeys.

“There has been no further update, so as far as we’re concerned it’s just stopped,” said WSP Middle East engineering director Stephen Taylor.

There is a lot for Nakheel to consider,” Taylor added. “This is not their only project. But we’re not expecting anything over the next 12 months. It will be a bonus if it does come along.”

Nakheel has pledged to complete all of its under-construction projects, though has said it is actively seeking “to align supply and demand more closely” through the restructuring of existing contracts.

“This has meant readjusting work on some of our projects, particularly those with longer timeframes of a decade or more [such as the Harbour and Tower], and focusing on the delivery of those developments and communities that are under construction,” the spokesperson said.

Meanwhile, Nakheel also said that construction of a cruise terminal at Mina Rashid, which firms were invited to tender for last month, will go ahead despite other projects remaining on hold.

“We will press on with the terminal because we already have people booked in for cruises for years to come,” the spokesperson said.

http://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-5474-work_on_nakheel_tower_further_delayed/

^^Well it was kind of predictable to be honest. Credit crunch has hit harder than first thought.

Anyway, here's the site from Google Earth, just a few days after work stopped.
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^^ Oh absolutely. As soon as the crisis hit it immediately came to my mind that NHT was going straight in the bin. No way they could possibly move forward with such a massive project in such a stagnated climate.

Who knows what will happen now? I hope it gets built though as it would be incredible to see another tower in the same league [but even bigger, I know] of BD in Dubai. :)

Thx for the great pic, Adam. :cheers:

So what will they do with the electricity cables / pylons that run directly to the DEWA plant?

In these renders, there are buildings where the pylons are now.

If they remove the cables, then surely they must be relocating the DEWA plant.. and if so.. where in Dubai could it go? Perhaps on the Arabian canal?


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1km Nakheel Tower plan further delayed - report

on Tuesday, 09 June 2009

Master developer Nakheel has further pushed back work on its flagship 1km high Nakheel Tower project, it has been reported.

Work on the project will not resume until the start of June next year at the earliest, a spokesperson for the Dubai-based master developer confirmed.

Development was set to resume in January next year after being placed on hold for what was originally a 12 month period at the beginning of this year, reported Construction Week Online.

But, asked to confirm whether the developer still intended to resume work in January, a spokesperson said that “further work on the foundations of Nakheel Harbour and Tower will commence in 12 months.

“This is part of our readjustment of our immediate business plans, to better reflect the current market trends and match supply with demand.”

Construction of the tower was originally expected to take ten years to complete in phases, with work on the foundations alone scheduled to take three years. WSP Group was appointed structural engineer on the tower in October last year.

The tower, when built, will stand around 200 storeys tall and have around 150 lifts. It will form the centrepiece of a 2.7 million m2 marina development called Nakheel Harbour and Tower near to Dubai’s Ibn Battuta Mall.

The original master plan for the Nakheel Harbour and Tower project included a further 40 towers ranging in height from 20 storeys to 90 storeys.

Nakheel has pledged to complete all of its under-construction projects, though has said it is actively seeking “to align supply and demand more closely” through the restructuring of existing contracts.

“This has meant readjusting work on some of our projects, particularly those with longer timeframes of a decade or more [such as the Harbour and Tower], and focusing on the delivery of those developments and communities that are under construction,” the spokesperson said.

Via ArabianBusiness

So what will they do with the electricity cables / pylons that run directly to the DEWA plant?

In these renders, there are buildings where the pylons are now.

If they remove the cables, then surely they must be relocating the DEWA plant.. and if so.. where in Dubai could it go? Perhaps on the Arabian canal?



I personally think that using the arabian canal for all the electricity cables is one of the main drivers behind the canal itself. Keeping the cables cool underwater will save huge amounts of energy and increase property prices by removing an eyesore.

Today

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How long has that been there? If recently, obviously it raises some questions.

yea , it's A new advertising for NHAT .

bravo, the project is still alive, maybe something to do with Kingdom Tower moving forward

yea , it's A new advertising for NHAT .

Was that billboard in the Airport road? If so it has been there since last year when the design was unveiled.

^^ it's there from last year OMG.... But hey it's all good coz it lead to another question which is for how long it will be there a 10 years !

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Darnit...

damm

please don't build this :D

All we ask of Nakheel now is to complete Palm Jumeirah and BUILD NHT. :D

I say introduce a new law in Dubai allowing for maximum completion of only 80% on all projects. What? They already have one? :D

please don't build this :D

they cant build this:)

Nakheel site offices were completelly removed , I dont think so that they will start anything here soon.

they cant build this:)

Nakheel site offices were completelly removed , I dont think so that they will start anything here soon.

nice :cheers:

bin, may i ask why you're against this project?

i am not against the Tower , but i am against all the rest.

My philosophy in these projects is different than the developers. but they need to stop building anything residential. they killed the market with over supply and they should adapt a different strategy in their investments. they need some sort of an aggregated policy and restructure of Dubai as a whole not just Nakheel.

+ relying heavily on Real estate is plain stupid( excluding the Hospitality sector) . They need to invest in long term developments to actually generate cash instead of short fast low cash returns on these projects.

So if it's not iconic, long term and well planned , simply don't waste land and capital.

I agree with you BinDubai .

^^gotcha. I brought that up in another tread about the extreme oversupply in Dubai. I'm not sure how loose Dubai is in handing out building permits, but as I'm sure you know, in America we did the same thing and some places are extremely hard to build in but all anyone saw for about 6 yrs was quick dollar signs and now places are in a lot of trouble.

you bring up such an interesting thing with the iconic architecture. There's actually theory on that and appropriateness of iconic architecture and how much there should be. Me, I'm for it because I think it pushes bounds later as to what is iconic architecture, but many think there should only be one or two iconic structures for a function. Like an iconic skyscraper, and iconic opera house, and an iconic museum tops for a metropolis. To me that ends pushing the limits of architecture and its technology though.

Today

A View from DEC TOWER ( Dubai Marina )



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This pic will be Updated every one year :) "inshallah"

17/July/2009

Nakheel Harbour and Tower ( aka Al Burj or Tall Tower)

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Even the palm trees have died, along with the tower..
Still, thanks for the update Imre.

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Looks great! lol

so what is that suposed to mean??? you want it to be there...or do you know something...im guessing its the first...

R

almost zero chance for that location, too close to the Burj Dubai and the access is difficult.

another location is better just next to the metro station which is the Nakheel Harbour and Tower Station :)

I think it would have enough access, It makes perfect sense.
It would have more value in the Downtown district, rather than in JLT district.
Build more Villas, schools and community developments around JLT.

Anyway just a thought, Its unlikely for it to go anywhere soon.

Anyway just a thought, Its unlikely for it to go anywhere soon.

yes, at the moment not the location is the biggest problem for them:)

As I see the site next to the JLT, its going to be ON HOLD for years.

Hi all.

The CTBUH has a case study (http://www.ctbuh.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=oDidtqOYvlY%3d&tabid=1090&language=en-US) in its 2009 journal - issue 2.

A good read. Seems to have alot of thought put into this tower including wind tunnel testing.

I hope Nakheel has some sort of a miracle turnaround and goes ahead with this project.

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^^ That's great, thanks for posting.

Why do you guys still insist on using the term "on hold"?? Obviously living amongst all the "Al-Bullshit" from corporate Dubai has gotten to your heads!

This project, along with hundreds of others, is cancelled. Like my plan to go back stage and get an autograph with Michael Jackson at the O2 - I'd love to think its on hold, but i've have to accept my plan has been cancelled.

Because as much as we all love and admire Burj Dubai for what it is, and for the great human achievement the building represents, those true skyscraper lovers among us still want to see an even taller tower completed, or at the very least, U/C.

NHT has the potential to blow Burj Dubai out of the water! Truth! :yes: But that doesn't mean it will ever see the light of day...

With Nakheel's troubles and the financial crisis on top of that the chances of NHT even getting out of the ground within five years are extremely slim. Hope I'm wrong though.

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14/August/2009

Nakheel Harbour and Tower

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Nakheel Harbour & Tower

Client: Nakheel

Actual Value: 40bn USD

Project Type: Mixed Use

Project Duration:

From: Q1 2010 Estimated
To: Q1 2020 Estimated

Status: On Hold

Scope: Nakheel Harbour & Tower is located at Sheikh Zayed Road and Arabian Canal. The development will include the Nakheel Tower which will be more than 1 kilometres high. The development will have 40 other towers, ranging in height from 20 floors to 90 floors. There will be around 19,000 residential apartments. Nakheel Harbour & Tower development will cover an area of 2.7 kilometres and will accomdate more than 55,000 people.
Schedule:Currently the project is onhold. Construction is expected to be in first quarter of 2010.

14/August/2009
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If only...:ohno:


Thx for the pics Imre:cheers:

I know it might not be the right time to say this, but shouldn't we have a seperate thread for the Nakheel Tower? like we had for Al Burj?

I know it might not be the right time to say this, but shouldn't we have a seperate thread for the Nakheel Tower? like we had for Al Burj?

we dont need know, almost nothing happening there:)

update :)

21/August/2009

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LOL That close up on the lock & chains is really rubbing it in Imre! :lol:

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Would remove the fence, easier than the lock ;)

28/August/2009

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The RTA seem pretty committed to keeping the station called "Nakheel Harbour and Tower". Wonder when they'll give up and change it!

Nakheel has bought the name rights for 10 years , this is the reason.

Classic misuse of funds from Nakheel. They are going cap in hand to everyone to meet their financial commitments at the end of the year and at the same time paying millions(?) for a name of a tower now a pipe dream. Didn't they know they were skint when they bought the rights? :bash:

just try to Google , "nakheel corruption" and maybe you will get the answer:)

Classic misuse of funds from Nakheel. They are going cap in hand to everyone to meet their financial commitments at the end of the year and at the same time paying millions(?) for a name of a tower now a pipe dream. Didn't they know they were skint when they bought the rights? :bash:

They may have signed an agreement but is there any proof that they have actually paid anything. I doubt that a penny has been spent, maybe RTA live in hope with the rest of the creditors.

I think everyone on the forum should pay $1 into a fund then we buy the naming rights for 1 year from RTA. We could put our name requests into a box and draw out the lucky winner:lol: I'm sure if RTA cover the costs of a new sign they won't bother too much.

What about the "Imre Solt photo gallery" and Imre could display his best works in a metro station come gallery, after all the station is not much use for anything else.

Or The Glasgow Rangers Trophy Station, where people could visit to see replicas of all the RFC trophies, maybe this year we will be able to add the Champions League:) Nurse, Nurse I need to go to the toilet:nuts:

04/September/2009

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