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sopheaktr September 1st, 2010, 06:01 AM According to the local news DAP today, that the
Cambodian PM, Hun Sen has requested to construct
a private building at the high of 555 meters tall
in Koh Pich which aim the tallest structure in Asia.
http://www.dap-news.com/typography/the-news/13817-rbsasncmnucsmxans-rbssemtc-hun-esn-knugbifiecksbaoabfrt-dlnissit-sklvituealfy-fnfanmnussgggnbntptalb.html
khmerpride September 1st, 2010, 07:31 AM what a 555m skyscraper in camdodia realy ?
sopheaktr September 1st, 2010, 08:00 AM http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/453/camq.jpg
http://www.dap-news.com/typography/the-news/13822-kmtucanwgman-gkarekcnmyy-xtscagekenagasiu-temocag-200landuloar.html
SeeMacau September 1st, 2010, 08:04 AM Is there any demand for such a tall tower?
camboy2102 September 1st, 2010, 09:14 AM i think it is not buliding, it is just sky tower! It is awesome!
sopheaktr September 1st, 2010, 03:26 PM i dont know where is this idea that he got from :ohno::ohno::ohno:
Is there any demand for such a tall tower?
StrongAngkor September 1st, 2010, 03:49 PM Ow.. What is he doing? I really dont understand.. But sound excited wit that bit. M dying to hear that information more detail.
sky90 September 1st, 2010, 03:51 PM Congratulation Cambodia:banana::banana::banana::banana:
vietnamese news : http://www.landtoday.net/vn/tintuc/24968/index.aspx
You can use google translate for this article.
Here is my summary
In oder to prove the development and economic growth, Cambodia is planning to build the tallest building in Asia in coming year.
Prime Hun sen announced that this building would get 555 meter
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In the recent year, dozens of buildings "skyscraper" has been under construction in Cambodia. Most recently, a 32-storey high building was opened. Currently some 42-storey towers and 53 floors are under construction in the capital Phnom Penh.
SeeMacau September 1st, 2010, 04:15 PM i dont know where is this idea that he got from :ohno::ohno::ohno:
Ow.. What is he doing? I really dont understand.. But sound excited wit that bit. M dying to hear that information more detail.
I am glad to hear about this project, but I don't think it is an appropriate time (probably wait for another few more years) to have such a tall tower
555m is equivalent to a 120 - 150 floors tower.
The news was announced today, and many real estate companies in Cambodia questioned whether there was much demand for this building.
SeeMacau September 1st, 2010, 04:16 PM Cambodia boasts plans for Asia's tallest building
By SOPHENG CHEANG (AP) – 1 hour ago
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — Impoverished Cambodia plans to build a 1,820-foot (555-meter) skyscraper, its prime minister said Wednesday, a feat that would give one of the region's least-developed capitals the tallest building in Asia.
Prime Minister Hun Sen said he had approved a master plan for the skyscraper, which would be located about half a mile (one kilometer) from the Royal Palace in Phnom Penh — a dusty city of colonial villas, slums and one standout skyscraper, the recently completed Canadia Tower that is about 377 feet (115 meters) high.
Hun Sen did not say when construction would start, how much it would cost or give any other details, except that it would be built by a Cambodian company, Overseas Cambodia Investment Corp., owned by tycoon Pung Khiav Se.
The company's project manager, Touch Samnang, said preliminary estimates suggest the building would cost $200 million, but the project was being studied by experts and government ministries. He said it would include a shopping mall, hotel, apartments and an entertainment center.
That figure is dwarfed by the sum for what is currently Asia's tallest building, the Taipei 101 in Taiwan. Rising 1,667 feet (508 meters), it cost about $1.6 billion. It had been the world's tallest since 2004 but was overtaken in January when Dubai unveiled the Burj Khalifa, which rises 2,717 feet (828 meters) from the desert.
Cambodia, whose commerce is tiny by international standards, has been experiencing a real estate bubble for the past few years, but several ambitious construction projects have been delayed or suspended.
StrongAngkor September 1st, 2010, 05:29 PM Some currently constructions are still delay and some are on hold or even been cancled as a result from financial crisis and low demand. So how can they gonna build this kind of tallest skyscraper? Like SM said, u are right. It is inappropriate time to build. Just make sure all the currently projects and constructions is on progressing well. It is good enough. I dont mean i'm not glad with this suprising news but i just feel it is so strange anyway.. Let see what happen next?
khmerpride September 1st, 2010, 05:49 PM Some currently constructions are still delay and some are on hold or even been cancled as a result from financial crisis and low demand. So how can they gonna build this kind of tallest skyscraper? Like SM said, u are right. It is inappropriate time to build. Just make sure all the currently projects and constructions is on progressing well. It is good enough. I dont mean i'm not glad with this suprising news but i just feel it is so strange anyway.. Let see what happen next?
The current builduings "on hold" will be soon become active again?
LamDai September 1st, 2010, 06:09 PM Visit the topic of Asia tallest skyscrapers and tallest skyscraper projects :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=791630
This is definitely not the tallest .
StrongAngkor September 1st, 2010, 06:14 PM Khmerpride, i dont mean that all project that is on hold will be active soon. But I mean i just want to hear that the projects which are on hold will be resume soon is better than have this tallest building this time.
Asian September 1st, 2010, 07:40 PM I don't think it is going to happen any time soon. When it finally happens, it will not be the tallest structure in Asia anymore; unless, it is redesigned to make it the tallest. It is a speculation for now. But, I hope it is real though. I'd give 1% chance.
khmerpride September 1st, 2010, 08:21 PM Visit the topic of Asia tallest skyscrapers and tallest skyscraper projects :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=791630
This is definitely not the tallest .
it will be the tallest or not , this building is tall ^^
cris7 September 1st, 2010, 09:04 PM Good news for Cambodia. Let's go!
Chadster93 September 1st, 2010, 09:33 PM The height of this structure is crazy but lets hope that the plan goes through.
Since this news is from the mouth of PM Hun Sen, then I think that this plan will become very likely in the near future.
It's good that a Cambodian company is investing in this project but $200 million dollars seems too little for a structure this tall in height. OCIC has a good reputation for completing or starting their projects.
Go Phnom Penh....:cheers:
camtv03 September 1st, 2010, 10:19 PM Well! Guys, I'm not trying to pulled anybody down but I think $200 million dollars can't be use to build a 555 meter tall build (Not a sky scrapper for sure) because the 101 floors in taiwon cost more than $1.6 billion. This $200million don't sound realistic number for a 555 meters sky scrapper.
raincy September 1st, 2010, 10:28 PM What in the world? I just heard it today man, it's incredible. hope it's become true hahah..:lol::lol:
bokator September 1st, 2010, 11:57 PM $200 million sound unrealistic for 555 meters skyscraper ! Maybe they meant $2 billion ! I hope it's real.
Rudravarman September 2nd, 2010, 12:46 AM Visit the topic of Asia tallest skyscrapers and tallest skyscraper projects :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=791630
This is definitely not the tallest .
^^^ Tallest or not it is still one of the tallest in the world if completed and I'm sure it won't be the last because some VERY AMBITIOUS Cambodian Tycoon like Kith Meng won't let nobody top his Tower! :ohno::ohno::ohno:
Asian September 2nd, 2010, 01:14 AM The more I read news about this, I think that it is just the observation tower that what PM means. $200 millions may be good enough for that. I don't think anyone in Cambodia or investors from abroad would have money around 1.5 to 2 billions to build in Cambodia. Money is not well spent. It is unrealistic to me.
Parisian Girl September 2nd, 2010, 02:09 AM Combodia to build Asia’s tallest tower
It would top the Taipei 101 Tower, the Shanghai World Financial Center and Petronas Towers
By Reuters | Published Wednesday, September 01, 2010
Cambodia is aiming for the record books with an ambitious plan to construct Asia's tallest building, a 555-metre skyscraper worth $200 million, Prime Minister Hun Sen said on Wednesday.
The building would be five times taller than the country's present highest structure, the new, 32-storey Canadia Bank Tower, which dominates the Phnom Penh skyline, where buildings of more than five floors stand out.
If the project goes ahead, it would top the Taipei 101 Tower, the Shanghai World Financial Center and Kuala Lumpur's Petronas Towers -- the world's three tallest buildings after the 828-metre Burj Khalifa in Dubai.
"It will be shorter than the one in Dubai and taller than any buildings in Asia, and I think we can do it," Hun Sen announced during a university graduation ceremony on Wednesday.
"We don't have to be too conservative and we also don't need to be too outdated," Hun Sen added, brushing off criticism from cultural groups concerned that a construction boom was threatening the city's French colonial architecture.
Hun Sen said the proposal had been made to the country's Land Management Ministry and local lender Canadia Bank would be involved in the project.
However, real estate companies questioned whether there was much demand for a building half a kilometre high in the capital of one of Asia's poorest countries.
"Where would the investors come from?" said Sung Bonna, CEO of Bonna Real Estate Group in Phnom Penh.
"We are concerned about the shortage of demand and occupancy rates so we need time, but we hope this dream comes true."
http://www.emirates247.com/combodia-to-build-asia-s-tallest-tower-2010-09-01-1.286426
Hi all :hi:
I think $200 million for a 555m building is a little odd...must mean 2 billion? Then again, if the labor and materials are really cheap then anything is possible I guess...
kvaaa September 2nd, 2010, 02:13 AM I think it will be under 100 stories and topped with a spire so that it is tall technically.
Remember the Petronas Towers? The number of floors are 88 while the Sears Tower has 110 stories and somehow the Petronas Towers are taller because they have spires which by architectural standard are considered as part of the building. I think this structure will be the obervation tower shown on the Koh Pich Master Plan.
StrongAngkor September 2nd, 2010, 02:43 AM But he said that this tallest building that PM said include wit hotel, apartment, entertainment center.. So it is probably a kind of building. But he said only 200million dollar. How can he do wit that?
StrongAngkor September 2nd, 2010, 03:27 AM Yangkhm, i also listened to his speech, he also said that" it will be the tallest building in Asia. We will top out the currently Tai pei 101 that is the presence tallest in Asia." he added " it will be shorter than the one in Dubai but will be taller than any buildings in Asia. We dont want to be too conservative and also not too out-dated." but i think 200million dollar could not give building with high quality. Or he mean the observation tower in diamond island?
Rudravarman September 2nd, 2010, 03:32 AM Guys Guys Guys... with 200 million you can build it! The Star River only cost 300 million but it have three towers that are over 40 floors! But it's a cheap affordable building! I think it's a cheap affordable building not luxurious which is good! :cheers:
Rudravarman September 2nd, 2010, 03:35 AM DUDE.. THIS NEWS IS EVERYWHERRRRRRRR!!! It's on the Boston news in my location!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
party_animals September 2nd, 2010, 04:18 AM better spend such money to better off the living standard of the people....555 meters tall?!! what a waste of money.....
Proud2BVietnamese September 2nd, 2010, 05:28 AM That tall for $200m? What are they building them out of, palm trees?
sutee September 2nd, 2010, 06:09 AM build it and beat every city
ukiyo September 2nd, 2010, 06:59 AM Combodia to build Asia’s tallest tower
Why don't these people do some research?
Asia's tallest tower will be Tokyo Sky Tree at 634 M.
Asia's tallest skycraper will be Shanghai Tower 632 M.
Both are currently under construction and higher than this 555m building.
khmerpride September 2nd, 2010, 07:44 AM $200 million sound unrealistic for 555 meters skyscraper ! Maybe they meant $2 billion ! I hope it's real.
Thats not a Builduing its a Tower , I read it in a German Article ^^
Imperfect Ending September 2nd, 2010, 08:57 AM ^^ A tower would be more reasonable.
$200 Million for a 555 meter building...?
I see a 10 story building with 500 meters of spire
going-higher September 2nd, 2010, 09:34 AM Cambodia have some big ambition
Imperfect Ending September 2nd, 2010, 09:35 AM But I think with a move like this with the nation's economic situation the world is more like "Lol what?" than "Oh Wow!"
AsianDragons September 2nd, 2010, 09:52 AM ^^ I know :ohno:
AsianDragons September 2nd, 2010, 10:04 AM Why don't these people do some research?
Asia's tallest tower will be Tokyo Sky Tree at 634 M.
Asia's tallest skycraper will be Shanghai Tower 632 M.
Both are currently under construction and higher than this 555m building.
I think they mean South-East Asia
KlaKhmer September 2nd, 2010, 02:03 PM Just Wake up and ...
Wow. This new is an Atomic Bomb !
This is a GOOD NEWS for the country. And I hope this tower will be built. I think I understand why the PM Hun Sen want to do and I share totally his vision and purpose.
For your information, I read in Phnom Penh Post that 200 millions is only the FIRST step. So I guess, there will be several steps.
KlaKhmer September 2nd, 2010, 02:10 PM I think they mean South-East Asia
It's like a racing.
So, Why not to build 655 meter ? :lol:
camtv03 September 2nd, 2010, 02:18 PM http://http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/my%20photo/100902_07.jpg
Thursday, 02 September 2010 15:01 Soeun Say and Catherine James
INDUSTRY experts from around the world said yesterday that a proposed 555-metre tower on Phnom Penh’s Koh Pich was technically possible, but raised questions about the economics of the plan.
Dennis Poon of Thornton Tomasetti, the company behind some of the highest buildings in the world, including Taipei 101, said the project was possible with the right team and materials to contain costs and avoid problems down the track.
Key considerations for Poon were the choice of materials and necessity for cooperation between structural engineers, architects and the owner.
Having built at least eight 100-plus-storey buildings, he emphasised that local conditions were key to any design.
“According to my experience, each project of this type must be designed specifically to fit the local site conditions, its local construction constraints, soil conditions, materials availability and the country’s culture.”
The proposed location of the tower, Diamond Island, was also discussed by engineers contacted by the Post.
Rainer Israel, director of Cambodian engineering firm iLi Consulting Engineers Mekong, said that the proposal was ambitious, but not impossible, despite Cambodia’s less-developed construction sector.
“You will certainly not be able to do it with Cambodian resources only, but that’s not unusual. Even Dubai [which built the world’s tallest building] had to import materials,” he said yesterday.
“It’s quite normal to have foreign contractors, designers etc.”
He said that if the site was to be Diamond Island, developers would need to be mindful that the isle was not stable, having formed less than 100 years ago.
“The Mekong keeps reshaping. In the long run, the island sure wouldn’t stay an island,” he said.
“You would have to protect it – which is possible. If you had a high value of property on it then it makes sense to protect it from erosion,” he said. The road infrastructure would also need serious consideration, he said.
However, he felt that a more interesting question related to its economic viability.
“This question [of economic feasability] is not the business we are in, but I think the more interesting question here is will you have a market for it? Where are the tenants? How would you even fill a place like that, given all the other places we still haven’t filled?”
Yim Sovan, spokesman for the opposition Sam Raisey Party, posed similar questions, voicing concern about building such a tower when the capital’s current high-rises were plagued with vacancies.
He said it was more economically important for the government to develop the agriculture sector, education and healthcare.
Nick Owen, Shanghai-based Asia editor for the Economist Intelligence Unit, raised his own questions about financing such an enormous
endeavour.
“I haven’t seen details of the project, but I’m slightly surprised by the amount [US$200 million for stage one] because the construction industry in Cambodia and indeed globally has faced increasing challenges in securing financing for these projects,” he said yesterday.
“Investors have been looking much more carefully before committing capital to these sort of projects.”
But local businessmen and interested domestic parties welcomed the idea. Sung Bonna, president and CEO of Bonna Realty Group, said yesterday that the plan was “a good sign”, and that he hoped that construction on the building would start soon.
Ching Chhom Mony, dean of architecture at the Royal University of Fine Art, said that building on site would have “no problems” as a result of advances in both science and technology.
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:03 PM Visit the topic of Asia tallest skyscrapers and tallest skyscraper projects :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=791630
This is definitely not the tallest .
Not the tallest in Asia, but tallest in South East Asia (taller than the Petronas Twin Tower in Kuala Lumpur)
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:05 PM The height of this structure is crazy but lets hope that the plan goes through.
Since this news is from the mouth of PM Hun Sen, then I think that this plan will become very likely in the near future.
It's good that a Cambodian company is investing in this project but $200 million dollars seems too little for a structure this tall in height. OCIC has a good reputation for completing or starting their projects.
Go Phnom Penh....:cheers:
According to some experts, this building would cost between US$500m to $900m, depending on the structual design.
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:09 PM I think it will be under 100 stories and topped with a spire so that it is tall technically.
Remember the Petronas Towers? The number of floors are 88 while the Sears Tower has 110 stories and somehow the Petronas Towers are taller because they have spires which by architectural standard are considered as part of the building. I think this structure will be the obervation tower shown on the Koh Pich Master Plan.
The height of Petronas Tower is only 452m. This tower in Cambodia is 100m+ taller than the Petronas Tower .. so I am pretty sure it'll be above 100 floors.
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:13 PM Guys Guys Guys... with 200 million you can build it! The Star River only cost 300 million but it have three towers that are over 40 floors! But it's a cheap affordable building! I think it's a cheap affordable building not luxurious which is good! :cheers:
The higher the floors, the more expensive to be built.
Star River is a lot cheaper than this one because it is purely three residential towers.
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:14 PM better spend such money to better off the living standard of the people....555 meters tall?!! what a waste of money.....
This tower is built by a private company, so it is up to them whether or not to go ahead with this project.
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:16 PM Why don't these people do some research?
Asia's tallest tower will be Tokyo Sky Tree at 634 M.
Asia's tallest skycraper will be Shanghai Tower 632 M.
Both are currently under construction and higher than this 555m building.
To make it sounds more attractive .. :lol:
khmerpride September 2nd, 2010, 03:20 PM Just Wake up and ...
Wow. This new is an Atomic Bomb !
This is a GOOD NEWS for the country. And I hope this tower will be built. I think I understand why the PM Hun Sen want to do and I share totally his vision and purpose.
For your information, I read in Phnom Penh Post that 200 millions is only the FIRST step. So I guess, there will be several steps.
yes its nice to have a tall Tower but I think cambodia didn´t need a tower in this time , its make more sense to use this 200million to help khmer people , to build more schools , to build hospitals and for education
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:25 PM The most difficult task for this project is to secure financing ..
SeeMacau September 2nd, 2010, 03:35 PM 1 km from Royal Palace .. Is the tower located at Diamond Island?
This tower is developed by Overseas Cambodia Investment Corp - tycoon Pung Khiav Se.
sopheaktr September 2nd, 2010, 04:20 PM i guess from the cheap and inquality Vietnamese materials...
That tall for $200m? What are they building them out of, palm trees?
LamDai September 2nd, 2010, 05:33 PM Not the tallest in Asia, but tallest in South East Asia (taller than the Petronas Twin Tower in Kuala Lumpur)
No , the tallest in SEA is a Philippines building
Imperfect Ending September 2nd, 2010, 05:35 PM ^^ It's still in proposal. 665m The Pagcor Tower
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Pagcor_tower.jpg/208px-Pagcor_tower.jpg
yangkhm September 2nd, 2010, 05:44 PM Not the tallest in Asia, but tallest in South East Asia (taller than the Petronas Twin Tower in Kuala Lumpur)
Yes, you are right.:banana::banana:
LamDai September 2nd, 2010, 07:18 PM ^^ It's still in proposal. 665m The Pagcor Tower
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Pagcor_tower.jpg/208px-Pagcor_tower.jpg
at least they have a render
VietnamEagle2010 September 2nd, 2010, 08:57 PM i think maybe PM Hunsen planned to build a TV mast like this :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg/400px-KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg
this is 628.8 m (2,063 ft)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast , sorry im not being offense toward you guys, but this is impossible to build a 555m tall with 200$mil USD
AsianDragons September 3rd, 2010, 12:53 AM ^^ most likely
heavyrain2408 September 3rd, 2010, 01:31 AM Cool...good to see a huge building in Cambodia :)
thekh September 3rd, 2010, 01:51 AM Good news! but i dont think Cambodia needs it right now! We have Angkor Wat is enough, the world largest stone building and largest religious monument for almost 1000 years. Why dont they focus on something important rather super tall building.
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 02:03 AM yes its nice to have a tall Tower but I think cambodia didn´t need a tower in this time , its make more sense to use this 200million to help khmer people , to build more schools , to build hospitals and for education
People just don't understand. It is not the government that is building this. It is the private company. We can't use private companies' money to build schools and education.
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 02:06 AM i think maybe PM Hunsen planned to build a TV mast like this :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg/400px-KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg
this is 628.8 m (2,063 ft)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast , sorry im not being offense toward you guys, but this is impossible to build a 555m tall with 200$mil USD
Well with $200 Million an observation tower is possible.
The CN Tower was $330 million
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 02:08 AM yes its nice to have a tall Tower but I think cambodia didn´t need a tower in this time , its make more sense to use this 200million to help khmer people , to build more schools , to build hospitals and for education
Don't worry, I think :
- School or hospital buildings are built by public money.
- Actuals towers are built by private investors.
So, the public money will go to local people as usual, not to this tower.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 02:11 AM People just don't understand. It is not the government that is building this. It is the private company. We can't use private companies' money to build schools and education.
:lol: I post the same answer.
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 02:13 AM Good news! but i dont think Cambodia needs it right now! We have Angkor Wat is enough, the world largest stone building and largest religious monument for almost 1000 years. Why dont they focus on something important rather super tall building.
Our prime minister wants to turn Pnom Penh into a major tourist destination. This is a great idea. Kuala Lumpor was not a major tourist destination before the Petronas Tower was built. Symbol is everything when it comes to tourism. What do people talk about when they visit Paris? Off course that ugly Eifel Tower!!!
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 02:18 AM Our prime minister wants to turn Pnom Penh into a major tourist destination. This is a great idea. Kuala Lumpor was not a major tourist destination before the Petronas Tower was built. Symbol is everything when it comes to tourism. What do people talk about when they visit Paris? Off course that ugly Eifel Tower!!!
I think he is right. :)
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 02:41 AM But the thing is, Kuala Lumpur was way wealthy when they executed such a task of building an iconic tower.
thekh September 3rd, 2010, 02:44 AM Our prime minister wants to turn Pnom Penh into a major tourist destination. This is a great idea. Kuala Lumpor was not a major tourist destination before the Petronas Tower was built. Symbol is everything when it comes to tourism. What do people talk about when they visit Paris? Off course that ugly Eifel Tower!!!
I still don't like super tall building in PP, if it's in Kampong Som or koh kong is fine bec it's nothing symbol those cities b4. However, Phnom Penh is symbol of French and Khmer architecture. If they really want to build the skyscraper, it will overtake the Phnom Penh architecture.
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 04:38 AM I am happy to hear the news about the tower; however, I am still not convinced that it will happen any time soon if at all.
khicantoiseyeu September 3rd, 2010, 05:55 AM super-tall 555m = $200million ???
StrongAngkor September 3rd, 2010, 06:30 AM I hope and looking forward to see the the rendering or the advertisement of the building soon. Then everyone wont wonder anymore about the cost and whether or not it is a building or a observation tower..
yangkhm September 3rd, 2010, 08:42 AM Our prime minister wants to turn Pnom Penh into a major tourist destination. This is a great idea. Kuala Lumpor was not a major tourist destination before the Petronas Tower was built. Symbol is everything when it comes to tourism. What do people talk about when they visit Paris? Off course that ugly Eifel Tower!!!
^^agree with your idea. :banana::banana:
Micronta September 3rd, 2010, 09:17 AM But the thing is, Kuala Lumpur was way wealthy when they executed such a task of building an iconic tower.
What does wealthy have to do with an iconic symbol of a city? Nothing. Again, it's built with private sector's money, not government. Doesn't matter.
As to if it is a skyscraper or observation tower, who knows until the renderings come out. Until then, we can't assume much.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 09:50 AM I hope it will be possible for tourists to visit the tower like "Eiffel Tower", to see a panoramic view of Phnom Penh, to have restaurant, shop on the top. So, it will become one symbol or the symbol of Phnom Penh.
This project will give a sense for PP's Diamond Island and will create a lof of job during and after the construction.
This tower is very important, it is not just a simple tower. Its impact should be very important in the long term. It's a good investment.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 10:24 AM I still don't like super tall building in PP, if it's in Kampong Som or koh kong is fine bec it's nothing symbol those cities b4. However, Phnom Penh is symbol of French and Khmer architecture. If they really want to build the skyscraper, it will overtake the Phnom Penh architecture.
I hope some part of architecture in PP will be preserve too. But PP must be modernize in the same time. So, the government must balancing. I find some asian's city are beautiful, but I regret to find a city with only towers without history.
Countries are proud to have an history, a culture. To show this old culture, we should keep a quarter for colonial building. History has a value with the time.
IMAGINE PP without colonial buildings. Only towers !! Hmmmm. We'll have no discussion, no history to say about PP. It would become just a too young city. No footprint of the past.
So, I hope Phnom Penh could keep and preserve it past and develop beside his modernism.
Diamond Island had no history, no people in the past. It is a good location. It is good to build there a tall tower. :banana:
samson September 3rd, 2010, 10:41 AM But the thing is, Kuala Lumpur was way wealthy when they executed such a task of building an iconic tower.
Thats right, there is unfair to use Kuala Lumpur to compare with PP.
even 25 years ago, I believe Kuala Lumpur is wealthier then whole Cambodia now. (even in 1980s Kuala Lumpur has much more high rise building then PP now)
btw, It's a good news to know PP to build such a highrise building but If let say after its completed, It will be seem so lonely to standing alone there also:lol:
200 million USD its really no enought to building a taller building as high as they think. some more, they are no one private company has such compete to fund a high rise building like they have proposed now. 555m. :ohno:
its seen this is a strategic of PM hon sen tried to grasp some attention from the world to invest PP. its a good action, thumbs up!
Micronta September 3rd, 2010, 10:53 AM Thats right, there is unfair to use Kuala Lumpur to compare with PP.
even 25 years ago, I believe Kuala Lumpur is wealthier then whole Cambodia now. (even in 1980s Kuala Lumpur has much more high rise building then PP now)
btw, It's a good news to know PP to build such a highrise building but If let say after its completed, It will be seem so lonely to standing alone there also:lol:
200 million USD its really no enought to building a taller building as high as they think. some more, they are no one private company has such compete to fund a high rise building like they have proposed now. 555m. :ohno:
its seen this is a strategic of PM hon sen tried to grasp some attention from the world to invest PP. its a good action, thumbs up!
What does wealthy have to do with an iconic symbol of a city? Nothing. Again, it's built with private sector's money, not government. Doesn't matter.
As to if it is a skyscraper or observation tower, who knows until the renderings come out. Until then, we can't assume much.
samson September 3rd, 2010, 11:54 AM What does wealthy have to do with an iconic symbol of a city? Nothing. Again, it's built with private sector's money, not government. Doesn't matter.
As to if it is a skyscraper or observation tower, who knows until the renderings come out. Until then, we can't assume much.
to own an icon for a city can be assume that for a particular country to moving forward to next higher step. there is no necessary as you mentioned. but for another point of view, for many cities the highest building is a symbol to show their city has sucessful developing their economic in the past decades. for example, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, bangkok, Taipei, Seoul, Shanghai....if you trend back the history, these cities are almost started more or less from the same period and they are doing well in the past 20-30 years in economic sector. from poorer city transform into normal city then heading forward into hi technology, service sector kind of metropolitan.
for those countries who are already became developed countries and their cities for more then 30 years ago ( I would say) higher building is no necessary for them. but I can assume who those own a higher building and transform their cities into or almost few more step into world class standard they might be the next stronger countries. Give them more 20-30 years...developer countries for them are qualifier and into the list. for those those countries own a developer countries status before them might be getting slow down. as conclusion..highest building is a trend for the countries or cities developing during 1970-2010.. I guess no more fresh news after this. just a piece of me.
SeeMacau September 3rd, 2010, 12:39 PM No , the tallest in SEA is a Philippines building
Well, they belong to different categories.
Pagcor tower in Philippines is an obveration tower, not a skyscraper.
SeeMacau September 3rd, 2010, 12:40 PM i think maybe PM Hunsen planned to build a TV mast like this :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg/400px-KVLY-TV_Mast_Tower_Wide.jpg
this is 628.8 m (2,063 ft)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast , sorry im not being offense toward you guys, but this is impossible to build a 555m tall with 200$mil USD
How can it be a TV mast when this building is going to have hotel rooms, apartment units and shopping centers :nuts:
KoolKool September 3rd, 2010, 01:40 PM please save your $200 Million USD to build overpasses and MRT, i thought you guy used to dream "skytrain"
StrongAngkor September 3rd, 2010, 01:44 PM This tallest building wont be alone, in fact. Because at least it will take 4 or 5 years to build this tallest. So the period 4 to 5 years from now, we will have many more low rise, mid.rise high.rise or even more skyscraper in the background. As we can see now Gold tower 42, Pp tower(nearly completed) vatanak bank, and many more 100m in the city. So these building will complete soon in another 2 or 3 more years.. Cheer Cambodia!! We start to run.. Not slowly walk anymore. :-D
khmerpride September 3rd, 2010, 03:21 PM please save your $200 Million USD to build overpasses and MRT, i thought you guy used to dream "skytrain"
Its a Private Tower/building the 200m are not from the Goverment there are from a Private sector´s money.
our dream is not a sky train our dream is to have a stable country without poverty
Chadster93 September 3rd, 2010, 05:00 PM Geez!!!!! So many negative comments here from outsiders!
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 05:34 PM Geez!!!!! So many negative comments here from outsiders!
Yeah, I found very interesting to see how people react :). They are missing the point and say anything.
StrongAngkor September 3rd, 2010, 05:46 PM Sound Happy for the local, but sound not good for most outsider.
samson September 3rd, 2010, 06:08 PM please save your $200 Million USD to build overpasses and MRT, i thought you guy used to dream "skytrain"
$200Million is no enough for MRT also. it may enough for few simper overpasses (fly over road).
like now what malaysia government is discuss whether what to updated existing public transport in Kuala Lumpur to strength the light train system. to add only MRT its approximately need $11Billion USD. (Kuala Lumpur own LRT, KTM, Monorail and train started to expand LRT into more out skirt area.)
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 06:20 PM Thats right, there is unfair to use Kuala Lumpur to compare with PP.
even 25 years ago, I believe Kuala Lumpur is wealthier then whole Cambodia now. (even in 1980s Kuala Lumpur has much more high rise building then PP now)
btw, It's a good news to know PP to build such a highrise building but If let say after its completed, It will be seem so lonely to standing alone there also:lol:
200 million USD its really no enought to building a taller building as high as they think. some more, they are no one private company has such compete to fund a high rise building like they have proposed now. 555m. :ohno:
its seen this is a strategic of PM hon sen tried to grasp some attention from the world to invest PP. its a good action, thumbs up!
We think the same. I think it is s strategy or a public relation by the PM.
If nothing happens, it is still a great strategy by the PM nonetherless.
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 08:45 PM Its a Private Tower/building the 200m are not from the Goverment there are from a Private sector´s money.
our dream is not a sky train our dream is to have a stable country without poverty
To have a stable country you need education. The guy should use that $200,000,000 to help build schools - if one school averages about $20,000,000 you can still get 20 schools.
Building a skyscraper when the majority of the locals won't be able to afford to even think about stepping in won't do it any good.
And since this is private-owned, all the money from people investing in this building when it's done will only go to the guy, not the nation ( unless they're shopping inside the mall buying what... t-shirts. )
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 08:46 PM Sound Happy for the local, but sound not good for most outsider.
It's more like "Wait.. why are they doing that when they could do so much more with the money."
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 09:43 PM ^^ I don't understand why some people still make confusion between public and private money. We repeat so much time in this thread :lol:
It is really a lack if people don't know where the money you give for Taxes are going !
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 10:01 PM ^^ I'm not confused with the difference between public and private money but I'm just confused with the action
Micronta September 3rd, 2010, 10:10 PM Geez!!!!! So many negative comments here from outsiders!
Yea, I don't get it either. :bash:
I understand that there needs to be a precautionary opinion but this is just negative. Aren't these outsiders happy for Cambodia? Or do they want Cambodia to remain the same? It's wishful thinking for them to want Cambodia to be small and stay the same. Everything changes. :cheers:
Micronta September 3rd, 2010, 10:11 PM ^^ I don't understand why some people still make confusion between public and private money. We repeat so much time in this thread :lol:
It is really a lack if people don't know where the money you give for Taxes are going !
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I don't understand this either.
Micronta September 3rd, 2010, 10:12 PM ^^ I'm not confused with the difference between public and private money but I'm just confused with the action
Just because the PM wants a tower doesn't mean other important necessities are stagnant or ignored. It's still going on.:)
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 10:15 PM :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I don't understand this either.
Oh, forgive me but I need to say : Oh FXXX !! :lol:
I rewrite something I've just posted in other thread :-)
>> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=63103769#post63103769
Education and skyscrapers are two differents things.
Private company build skyscrapers with "private money". This bring a lot of jobs and make turn the economy. So government could get more taxes (=public money). This public money will be used for education, build infrastructure, hospital ... !
So it is good !
Government doesn't have the money for education if there're not investors for real estate, tourism...
Public money and private money are different !
$200.000.000 is private money. It can't be used for education.
I hope you understand :-)
====
I added : public money is own by all Cambodian. This money have to be shared between all Cambodian.
My private money is the money I earn from my job for example. The money of Bill Gates is a private money !!!!
I HOPE you understand all now !!! I'll kill the next who say he doesn't understand :lol: <==== I'm kidding
Asian September 3rd, 2010, 10:30 PM To have a stable country you need education. The guy should use that $200,000,000 to help build schools - if one school averages about $20,000,000 you can still get 20 schools.
Building a skyscraper when the majority of the locals won't be able to afford to even think about stepping in won't do it any good.
And since this is private-owned, all the money from people investing in this building when it's done will only go to the guy, not the nation ( unless they're shopping inside the mall buying what... t-shirts. )
It would be an ideal if that would happen. But, I don't think any individual in Cambodia would even spend US$200 mil. from his/her own pocket to build schools there, at least in my life time.
It is not true that all the money from investors will go to that individual. That person have to pay tax which goes to the government. Remember Koh Pich itself is a 100 year lease from the the city. So, the money collected from this would be used to do something else important to the city and its residents, the second Monivong Bridge for example where the money was from the lease, if I am not mistaken.
Also, don't be too blind not to know that there are rich people in Cambodia. High end retails malls would attract those riches. So, more or less it would benefit Cambodia as well. Capitalism helps the riches first, then the middle, and the poor. It is normal everywhere in the world, like it or not.
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 10:31 PM public money is own by all Cambodian. This money have to be shared between all Cambodian.
My private money is the money I earn from my job for example. The money of Bill Gates is a private money !!!!
I HOPE you understand all now !!! I'll kill the next who say he doesn't understand :lol:
Yes so people when people buy the units from in building and the money will still be going into the guy's private-owned wallet.
Asian September 3rd, 2010, 10:31 PM Oh, forgive me but I need to say : Oh F U C K !! :lol:
I rewrite something I've just posted in other thread :-)
>> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=63103769#post63103769
Education and skyscrapers are two differents things.
Private company build skyscrapers with "private money". This bring a lot of jobs and make turn the economy. So government could get more taxes (=public money). This public money will be used for education, build infrastructure, hospital ... !
So it is good !
Government doesn't have the money for education if there're not investors for real estate, tourism...
Public money and private money are different !
$200.000.000 is private money. It can't be used for education.
I hope you understand :-)
====
I added : public money is own by all Cambodian. This money have to be shared between all Cambodian.
My private money is the money I earn from my job for example. The money of Bill Gates is a private money !!!!
I HOPE you understand all now !!! I'll kill the next who say he doesn't understand :lol:
Calm down, just a discussion.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 10:33 PM Calm down, just a discussion.
:lol: Don't worry I'm kidding. I hope you don't think I'm really angry :-)
Imperfect Ending September 3rd, 2010, 10:33 PM It would be an ideal if that would happen. But, I don't think any individual in Cambodia would even spend US$200 mil. from his/her own pocket to build schools there, at least in my life time.
It is not true that all the money from investors will go to that individual. That person have to pay tax which goes to the government. Remember Koh Pich itself is a 100 year lease from the the city. So, the money collected from this would be used to do something else important to the city and its residents, the second Monivong Bridge for example where the money was from the lease, if I am not mistaken.
Also, don't be too blind not to know that there are rich people in Cambodia. High end retails malls would attract those riches. So, more or less it would benefit Cambodia as well. Capitalism helps the riches first, then the middle, and the poor. It is normal everywhere in the world, like it or not.
I hope it does come true but the 'shock factor' isn't the height itself. It's the estimated cost for the height.
I hope they don't cheapen out and cost people their lives.
Asian September 3rd, 2010, 10:36 PM Yes so people when people buy the units from in building and the money will still be going into the guy's private-owned wallet.
But, the guy has to pay tax and lease money to the city. Even people that bought the units still have to pay electricity, water, and maybe other things that we don't know. In term, those Hydro companies pays people that work there and people who work will spend their money and help get the economy going. We can go on and on...It is a flow of money. It is economics 101!
Asian September 3rd, 2010, 10:40 PM I hope it does come true but the 'shock factor' isn't the height itself. It's the estimated cost for the height.
I hope they don't cheapen out and cost people their lives.
Whatever it is announced now will be changed many more times when it comes to reality. It is just a speculation to boost up investment in Cambodia. It is a technique that economists use.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 10:45 PM Yes so people when people buy the units from in building and the money will still be going into the guy's private-owned wallet.
Yes, the money buyers give goes to private owned wallet.
Investors make profits by selling properties. They keep one part of this money in their pocket (private money), the other part is given to Cambodia's state (public money) <=> it's called taxes ! Government take taxes to have public money.
Well I can't describe more :)
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 10:55 PM But, the guy has to pay tax and lease money to the city. Even people that bought the units still have to pay electricity, water, and maybe other things that we don't know. In term, those Hydro companies pays people that work there and people who work will spend their money and help get the economy going. We can go on and on...It is a flow of money. It is economics 101!
Yes Asian ! that is true ! We need investor to make turn the economy. So, goverment can take taxes. This taxes permit build school and road, public transportation ...
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 10:58 PM Just because the PM wants a tower doesn't mean other important necessities are stagnant or ignored. It's still going on.:)
The PM does not want the tower, he only told the students that someone will build a tall building or structure whichever it might be.
KlaKhmer September 3rd, 2010, 11:05 PM The PM does not want the tower, he only told the students that someone will build a tall building or structure whichever it might be.
Yes, but I think they approved this project. So, it means they want.
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 11:12 PM Thats right, there is unfair to use Kuala Lumpur to compare with PP.
even 25 years ago, I believe Kuala Lumpur is wealthier then whole Cambodia now. (even in 1980s Kuala Lumpur has much more high rise building then PP now)
btw, It's a good news to know PP to build such a highrise building but If let say after its completed, It will be seem so lonely to standing alone there also:lol:
200 million USD its really no enought to building a taller building as high as they think. some more, they are no one private company has such compete to fund a high rise building like they have proposed now. 555m. :ohno:
its seen this is a strategic of PM hon sen tried to grasp some attention from the world to invest PP. its a good action, thumbs up!
If you dig up the news about the Petronas Tower, the whole world criticised Malaysia for building the super skyscrapers in the middle of the slump. See how that turns out now!!!!
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 11:14 PM Yes, but I think they approved this project. So, it means they want.
I am sure everyone wants this project to come to fruition. Everyone, except the opposition party who does not seem to find anything right with the government!!!
kvaaa September 3rd, 2010, 11:22 PM It is very interesting that the mere mentioning of the project generated so much buzz!! The PM did his job!! Investors who never heard of Cambodia may now wants to come to Cambodia just to find out. Lots of investors had been pleasantly surprised. People in other countries associated Cambodia with the Killing Fields and think Cambodia has nothing to offer them. When they visited, they changed their minds. Cambodia is one of the most business friendly countries in the region.
VietNamno1 September 4th, 2010, 12:01 AM If Cambodia could build this building for $200mil... It will be on the Guiness record... Which is "The world's 555m cheapest tower"!! :banana:
Erran September 4th, 2010, 12:43 AM Unreasonable, 555m with just $200mil. (with hotel, bla bla bla facilities???LOL)
Would be better if they use this money to help the govt build better infrastructure, road, highway, railway, bla bla bla. This would be much much more useful to boost Cambodian economy.
Okay, say this tower is completed. With the current or even 5 years later economic situation in Cambodia, who will spend his money enjoying this tower's facilities? So a few.
I am glad to see Cambodia's progress, but building this tower is just what I say "wasting money" for unprofitable (less profitable) project.
Anyway, I haven't seen the render yet. Can anyone show me one?
Chadster93 September 4th, 2010, 01:52 AM ^^My bet is that the 555m building is an observation tower and will look something like this:
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/01b.jpg
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/02b.jpg
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/03b.jpg
Anyone disagree with me before the real renderings come out a few weeks from now? :) :lol:
StrongAngkor September 4th, 2010, 02:50 AM Why u guy still wonder about why those 200million dont go to pay for public cost such as road, school. Etc instead of build 555m building. This money is belong to the investors so how can the investors take thier money to help goverment? They are businessman. They want profit. We already discuss about that much above. Hope this kind of question wont come again. We will know clear when the rendering come. Look reasonable chatster93's picture above. At least they can build this tallest observation tower. But we will wait to see what is that?
samson September 4th, 2010, 02:54 AM If you dig up the news about the Petronas Tower, the whole world criticised Malaysia for building the super skyscrapers in the middle of the slump. See how that turns out now!!!!
Yes, but before petronas tower is built, Malaysian owed many high rises buildings and some superstructures for example Komtar, Maybank tower, vista tower, bangunan dewan bahasa dan pustaka all completed before petronas twin tower caming up.
StrongAngkor September 4th, 2010, 03:43 AM But we also have OICI tower32 floors(completed), Rose condo 27floors x 4) nearly completed, gold tower 42(50% completed), pp tower(nearly completed), vatanak bank 38 floors, de castle royal 32floors, star river(45floors x 3) is being built and gonna complete soon around 2 or 3 years more. These buildings most are in CBD area. So the 555m building wont be alone.
Erran September 4th, 2010, 05:55 AM But we also have OICI tower32 floors(completed), Rose condo 27floors x 4) nearly completed, gold tower 42(50% completed), pp tower(nearly completed), vatanak bank 38 floors, de castle royal 32floors, star river(45floors x 3) is being built and gonna complete soon around 2 or 3 years more. These buildings most are in CBD area. So the 555m building wont be alone.
In my opinion, Petronas were built when Malaysia is READY to have this kind of super project. Just take a look at her history, bout Petronas boom richness. And of course the income and wealth of Malaysian was quite good that time. So this awesome towers was not abandoned.
But I can not see the logic reason of building this project in Cambodia for now, other than way way too ambitious and unreasonable thing. Have u heard bout Bird Nest in China?? I'm afraid the same fate would happen to ur 555m tower.
Who tell u that private can not build public infrastructure??? Just take a look at my country, Indonesia, they are be able to build highway, bridge, etc etc. The only key is profitable. Just make a deal with the govt, and make it!
Or for clearer example u can see the US. (this is to boost ur economy faster, just think how long ur govt alone will take to build those many many infrastructure projects??)
Just my opinion. No offense.
SeeMacau September 4th, 2010, 07:29 AM ^^My bet is that the 555m building is an observation tower and will look something like this:
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/01b.jpg
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/02b.jpg
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5070/images/03b.jpg
Anyone disagree with me before the real renderings come out a few weeks from now? :) :lol:
Where are the hotel rooms and apartment units located? :)
ThaiSiamese September 4th, 2010, 08:57 AM Well I think $200M is probably only for the first phase of a building construction. To build a 555m building, it will definitely needs much more money to get the project finished. They will probably announce how much money to invest for the next phase later as they continue constructing the building.
Anyways, this could be another big step for Cambodia to emerge as a newly industrialized country. Way to go Cambodia. :cheers:
KlaKhmer September 4th, 2010, 09:11 AM In my opinion, Petronas were built when Malaysia is READY to have this kind of super project. Just take a look at her history, bout Petronas boom richness. And of course the income and wealth of Malaysian was quite good that time. So this awesome towers was not abandoned.
But I can not see the logic reason of building this project in Cambodia for now, other than way way too ambitious and unreasonable thing. Have u heard bout Bird Nest in China?? I'm afraid the same fate would happen to ur 555m tower.
Who tell u that private can not build public infrastructure??? Just take a look at my country, Indonesia, they are be able to build highway, bridge, etc etc. The only key is profitable. Just make a deal with the govt, and make it!
Or for clearer example u can see the US. (this is to boost ur economy faster, just think how long ur govt alone will take to build those many many infrastructure projects??)
Just my opinion. No offense.
I appreciate you arguments. But you are not totally in the logic of the answer :). People on this forum began to say : Cambodia don't need tower and should use this $200 millions to help people, to build more school, hospitals and education.
But to help people, build school, hospital, education... is made by public money (generally).
The investors who want to make this tower is a private company. I suppose you can't ask the boss of this company to invest in school or road if he wants to use his private money to build a tall tower. It his money, the private money of a private company. It is not the money of the country (managed by the government).
The answer follow this logic. I hope you understand what I mean. :-)
KlaKhmer September 4th, 2010, 09:14 AM In my opinion, Petronas were built when Malaysia is READY to have this kind of super project. Just take a look at her history, bout Petronas boom richness. And of course the income and wealth of Malaysian was quite good that time. So this awesome towers was not abandoned.
But I can not see the logic reason of building this project in Cambodia for now, other than way way too ambitious and unreasonable thing. Have u heard bout Bird Nest in China?? I'm afraid the same fate would happen to ur 555m tower.
Who tell u that private can not build public infrastructure??? Just take a look at my country, Indonesia, they are be able to build highway, bridge, etc etc. The only key is profitable. Just make a deal with the govt, and make it!
Or for clearer example u can see the US. (this is to boost ur economy faster, just think how long ur govt alone will take to build those many many infrastructure projects??)
Just my opinion. No offense.
I appreciate you arguments. But you are not totally in the logic of the answer :). People on this forum began to say : Cambodia don't need tower and use this $200 millions to help people, to build more school, hospitals and education.
But to help people, build school, hospital, education... is made by public money (generally).
The investors who want to make this tower is a private company. I suppose you can't ask the boss of this company to invest in school or road if he want to use his private money to build a tall tower. It is his money, the private money of a private company. It is not the money of the country (managed by the government).
The answer follow this logic. I hope you understand what I mean. :-)
camtv03 September 4th, 2010, 01:07 PM Boy, let tell ya...the designed of the observation tower looks so cheap and urgly. I think the one in china looks pretty attractive and iconic of the country.
Erran September 4th, 2010, 03:13 PM Last words . . .
If Cambodia still wanna build this tower, Good luck! Wish the best for u all.
Hope it will be a popular n recognizable icon of Cambodia.
raksmey13 September 4th, 2010, 03:59 PM good news i listen to the radio just now they interview vice president of canadia bank he said that this will be a skyscraper not observation tower even the rendering hasnt been out yet.the project will be led by ocic which canadia is part of it.
khmerpride September 4th, 2010, 04:28 PM good news i listen to the radio just now they interview vice president of canadia bank he said that this will be a skyscraper not observation tower even the rendering hasnt been out yet.the project will be led by ocic which canadia is part of it.
hey I heard it too on KhmerLive TV
StrongAngkor September 4th, 2010, 04:38 PM Ha.. Great news come up then. So it is a building not observation tower yo! Wait to see how they design the building?
samson September 4th, 2010, 05:03 PM I appreciate you arguments. But you are not totally in the logic of the answer :). People on this forum began to say : Cambodia don't need tower and use this $200 millions to help people, to build more school, hospitals and education.
But to help people, build school, hospital, education... is made by public money (generally).
The investors who want to make this tower is a private company. I suppose you can't ask the boss of this company to invest in school or road if he want to use his private money to build a tall tower. It is his money, the private money of a private company. It is not the money of the country (managed by the government).
The answer follow this logic. I hope you understand what I mean. :-)
I guess both of you must be misunderstand for each other. I treated this thread as discussion but not that kind of argument as you category.
I can understand that kind of patrioty to your country nor your races to became a stronger country as Angkor wat period. no offence in the past Cambodia has been one of the develop civilization in SE Asia I would say that. but this is no a right time for Cambodian to build such a highest skyscraper.
just take SE Asia for example...look at the stage of economic or city overview, since Malaysia already have few highrise in the top of the world. If philipine, thailand, Indonesia even Brunei a small country propose >500m height of building, I believe less peoples will suspect of their ability to build the building because they are qualifier for it.
just my opinion, talking about high rises building its normal in Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Singapore, Jakarta, Makati City even in Penang. looks at the skyline in PP now, I would say if rank in Malaysia is properly out of top 10 skyline. as I know in malaysia at least 10 cities has building more then 30 storeys. I'm not promoting Malaysia but its really sound ridiculous for Cambodia to building such a high rises. why not your PM or private company propose 10 or 30 building which is between 10-20 storey high which is more logic in term of demand for the market?
Cambodia propose such high building for my eyes just like many Cambodia no even drive "Proton kancil" (a small and cheaper cars in malaysia) but they want to buy a Farrari. What for? What is the reason? to show off and to park the yards to show the relatives but didn't drive for it? sorry for my example..I know its over..but its true.
I would say in SE Asia except the few countries I mentioned and include Singapore the other city its still do not have such ability and demand yet. at least 5 years from now.
raksmey13 September 4th, 2010, 05:27 PM I guess both of you must be misunderstand for each other. I treated this thread as discussion but not that kind of argument as you category.
I can understand that kind of patrioty to your country nor your races to became a stronger country as Angkor wat period. no offence in the past Cambodia has been one of the develop civilization in SE Asia I would say that. but this is no a right time for Cambodian to build such a highest skyscraper.
just take SE Asia for example...look at the stage of economic or city overview, since Malaysia already have few highrise in the top of the world. If philipine, thailand, Indonesia even Brunei a small country propose >500m height of building, I believe less peoples will suspect of their ability to build the building because they are qualifier for it.
just my opinion, talking about high rises building its normal in Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Singapore, Jakarta, Makati City even in Penang. looks at the skyline in PP now, I would say if rank in Malaysia is properly out of top 10 skyline. as I know in malaysia at least 10 cities has building more then 30 storeys. I'm not promoting Malaysia but its really sound ridiculous for Cambodia to building such a high rises. why not your PM or private company propose 10 or 30 building which is between 10-20 storey high which is more logic in term of demand for the market?
Cambodia propose such high building for my eyes just like many Cambodia no even drive "Proton kancil" (a small and cheaper cars in malaysia) but they want to buy a Farrari. What for? What is the reason? to show off and to park the yards to show the relatives but didn't drive for it? sorry for my example..I know its over..but its true.
I would say in SE Asia except the few countries I mentioned and include Singapore the other city its still do not have such ability and demand yet. at least 5 years from now.
maybe the newly discovered oil and gold make this possible? and the new law that allow foreigner to own property seem interesting too.look at dubai the city in desert.
Chadster93 September 4th, 2010, 06:33 PM Where are the hotel rooms and apartment units located? :)
O.K. Maybe it's not the observation tower according to raksmey13. That's good because I hate the design of that tower. :cheers:
Chadster93 September 4th, 2010, 06:34 PM Boy, let tell ya...the designed of the observation tower looks so cheap and urgly. I think the one in china looks pretty attractive and iconic of the country.
I agree with you 100%. :ohno:
Chadster93 September 4th, 2010, 06:37 PM good news i listen to the radio just now they interview vice president of canadia bank he said that this will be a skyscraper not observation tower even the rendering hasnt been out yet.the project will be led by ocic which canadia is part of it.
Awesome! I hope the renderings come out soon so there will be less debating about this building. :banana:
I hope it doesn't dissapoint.....
KlaKhmer September 4th, 2010, 06:53 PM Let it be. I don't answer more. It is unuseful.
It's a good news to know it is a building with appartment, office and shops. I want to see the design of this tower too.
khmerpride September 4th, 2010, 07:08 PM I think they are working on the design , but maybe its this project
http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc/arch/a5104/images/07b.jpg
bokator September 4th, 2010, 09:19 PM Wow ! I can't believe this project attract that much attention in the forum! lots of discussions ! It's better be real !
khmerpride September 4th, 2010, 10:09 PM Wow ! I can't believe this project attract that much attention in the forum! lots of discussions ! It's better be real !
yeah I didn´t understand why there are so many negative comments , Cambodia had to suffer war and we must to start over by year zero.Know we growing up and we want to build one of the highest buildings/tower but funny not all happy for us.
KlaKhmer September 5th, 2010, 01:40 AM They can't understand our feeling because they are not Cambodian.
I feel masks fall down here. That's all.
camtv03 September 5th, 2010, 03:21 AM Stop talking negative about Cambodia. You guys done nothing for this country except barking around. If you guys are that good why didn't you guys go there and help the people. All you can do is sitting there in front of the computer and barking from a distance. How sick is that?
LuvKhm3r September 5th, 2010, 03:34 AM Wow, :omg:I haven't been here for a week!!!! Look what I've been missing... 7 pages of nonsense, when r we going to stop this.:(....btw, great news... I hope they build this tower or planed to build something like this......:).......
kvaaa September 5th, 2010, 04:46 AM For those who think that it is inapproprate for Cambodia to build the super tall skyscraper, please explain to me the reason Dubai built skyscrapers for 2 million people when the country only has 500,000 people? It seems the two scenerios are very similar. I am certain that the people who own the company(ies) that plan to build this skyscraper are not without good knowledge about the market condition. They have millions of dollars to prove their marketing skills.
SeeMacau September 5th, 2010, 06:10 AM maybe the newly discovered oil and gold make this possible? and the new law that allow foreigner to own property seem interesting too.look at dubai the city in desert.
From the report I read, the newly discoverd resources will definitely help Cambodia to improve their financial performance, such as paying out all the foreign debts by 2013. Afte that, the government can use the money to improve freight infrastrucutres and other public facilities. However, if you want to see Cambodia becoming a next Dubai, I think that is unlikely to be happen (who knows, and I won't talk about this online) with the amount of resources Cambodia have. Indoneseia is a very good example, their country has abundant natural resources but their GDP per capita is only US$3000 in 2010 - a middle income country.
The apartment units can be sold out quickly because foreigners can buy apartment units in Cambodia. Investors and speculators would love to invest in this kind of development. A unique investment opportunity :) - tallest skyscraper in Southeast Asia !!
SeeMacau September 5th, 2010, 06:12 AM Wow ! I can't believe this project attract that much attention in the forum! lots of discussions ! It's better be real !
Trust me, this project is real !! :)
SeeMacau September 5th, 2010, 07:00 AM In the mean time, I think we better stop discussing about this project until we see some real ''evidences'', as some of our forumers suggested. We need photos and more general facts / figures related to this tower.
I believe this project is going to be real. It was told by the Prime Minister of Cambodia Hun Sen - a great leader who is leading Cambodia to the modernisation !! :):)
Asian September 5th, 2010, 07:11 AM In the mean time, I think we better stop discussing about this project until we see some real ''evidences'', as some of our forumers suggested. We need photos and more general facts / figures about this project.
I believe this project is going to be real. It was told by the Prime Minister of Cambodia Hun Sen - a great leader who is leading Cambodia to the modernisation !! :):)
I am not sure if this was posted before, but this article from Phnom Penh Post says that
"Dennis Poon, managing principal of Thornton Tomasetti, who led the structural engineering team for the design of Taipei 101, estimated that costs for a building of this size would range from US$500 million to $900 million, depending on complexity. He said designing such a building could take a year, with another four years for construction."
and this
Touch Samnang, project manager and architect of OCIC’s Diamond Island, said that the company was preparing for construction and had an architectural proposal in place. “We are studying the land,” he said, and the firm planned to spend $200 million on the building’s first step. "We have enough possible [capital investment] to build. We are not looking for investment partners. But for the technical construction we will need [help] from abroad.”
So, the $200 million is for the first step in building process. It is not for the whole cost of the complete building. $900 million maybe the right one.
See link: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010090241732/Business/hun-sen-unveils-plan-for-worlds-second-tallest-tower.html
chaoca September 5th, 2010, 07:29 AM i must dream = not true
WhiteElephant September 5th, 2010, 08:15 AM If Cambodians can build it, good news for them. Otherwise, it does not matter to anybody. So why argue? Just wait for the render to come out, it might take long.
KlaKhmer September 5th, 2010, 10:36 AM Let's wait the master plan and design :)
kvaaa September 5th, 2010, 05:33 PM In the mean time, I think we better stop discussing about this project until we see some real ''evidences'', as some of our forumers suggested. We need photos and more general facts / figures related to this tower.
I believe this project is going to be real. It was told by the Prime Minister of Cambodia Hun Sen - a great leader who is leading Cambodia to the modernisation !! :):)
Wow, SeeMacau was given the opportunity to speak with the PM. I am astounded!!
LuvKhm3r September 5th, 2010, 06:08 PM Let's wait the master plan and design :)
Yeaaa, i'm waiting.....:):):):):):), but for now let :cheers::cheers::cheers:
SeeMacau September 5th, 2010, 08:07 PM Wow, SeeMacau was given the opportunity to speak with the PM. I am astounded!!
The PM is the one who unveil the plan to the public
I don't have to the speak directly with him to know what is going on :lol:
Cambodia September 7th, 2010, 05:41 PM Cambodia has announced plans to build South East Asia’s tallest skyscraper. The announcement made by Prime Minister Hun Sen, made this week, revealed that the master plan for the 1,820 ft, 555 m building, located about one kilometre from the Royal Palace has been approved.
Cambodia has been experiencing a property surge in recent years that has led to the development of several skyscrapers, including the recently completed Canadia and Phnom Penh Towers. The schedule for the construction of the building has not yet been announced, but it will be built by Cambodian company, Overseas Cambodia Investment Corp., owned by tycoon Pung Khiav Se.
Preliminary estimates suggest the building would cost $200 million, but the project’s design, which would include areas for retail, hotel, residential and entertainment, is still being studied by experts and other government ministers.
With an economy that was almost entirely rebuilt following Vietnam’s 1978 invasion that unseated the Khmer Rouge, Cambodia’s economy has enjoyed growth rates of 10 and 5 per cent in recent years, sinking to 1.5 per cent in 2009. A largely agrarian society with 31 per cent of the population below the poverty line, the necessity of this most recent urban development will undoubtedly face international scrutiny.
khmerpride September 7th, 2010, 06:34 PM sinking to 1.5 per cent in 2009.
Economy was sinking because the Finance Crisis
raincy September 7th, 2010, 10:53 PM Cambodia has announced plans to build South East Asia’s tallest skyscraper. The announcement made by Prime Minister Hun Sen, made this week, revealed that the master plan for the 1,820 ft, 555 m building, located about one kilometre from the Royal Palace has been approved.
it has been approved? are you serious?
camtv03 September 8th, 2010, 03:52 PM Sep 08, 2010
O.J. Fall
Property Report
Cambodia’s plans announced in August to build South East Asia’s tallest tower at 555m continues to generate substantial discussion across the region and wider property industry.
The announcement comes at a time when the region seems to be engaged in a rather cold war-esque skyscraper battle, such as that which Stalin undertook against the US leaving great monoliths dotted across the Moscow cityscape.
Across South East Asia, led by Malaysia’s Petronas Towers, which were the world’s tallest building until 2004, each country has sought to redefine the region’s cityscape.
Thailand’s innovative 310m MahaNakhorn development, announced in 2009 and standing just 10m shy of the Eiffel Tower’s spire actually exceeds Singapore’s skyscraper collective that are limited to 280m by the proximity of the airport to the city centre.
As such Vietnam had, until Cambodia’s announcement, been at the van guard of this region’s ‘skyscraper race’. Parallels between Soviet Russia and Vietnam’s communist government aside, it seems that Vietnam is closer to grasping the nettle than any other party in the region. Call it a communist obstinacy or perhaps more realistically a further testament to Vietnam’s endurance and meteoric rise over the lat twenty years, projects announced in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City are looking strong.
Hanoi’s proposed 528m tower to be built by the PetroVietnam Construction Joint Stock Corporation (PVC) at a cost of US$1.2 billion by 2014 follows on from the Bitexco Financial Tower that will open in October this year, standing at 262.5m.
It is however a substantial jump from the 250 – 310m range to over 500m.
Vietnam obviously feels the need to make a statement, announcing its presence on the regional and world stage. Deeper motives behind Cambodia’s announcement than making a bold statement are somewhat elusive.
As an economy that still relies on substantial donor funding to operate (accounting for half of the central government’s budget) and though its garment industry has taken off, with the promise of some future oil and gas returns too, the population lacks education and productive skills, particularly in the poverty-ridden countryside, which suffers from an almost total lack of basic infrastructure.
By its effort to stride out of its dark past, could Cambodia’s new tower yet become an icon of delusional grandeur? Well, the project is not impossible, but challenges await and there is no doubt the US$200 million price tag could be put to better uses across the country. Cambodia’s developing construction industry will require foreign assistance, that is a given, but even the proposed location of the tower will poses its own issues.
Diamond Island has only existed for 100 years and with the constant flux of the great Mekong River there is no guarantee that the island will remain in years to come without substantial and expensive engineering works. All of which will be dictated by the market’s demand for such a property.
On top of that Cambodia’s property market is still developing and though skyscrapers continue to arise from the city built on banks of the Mekong, there is no guarantee that the market will be able to accommodate, nor fill such a development. To date, Phnom Penh’s towers have hovered around the 25 storey, 170m mark.
Such a development can re-define cities and countries on the global stage. But the same applies whether these developments are succeed or fail.
SeeMacau September 8th, 2010, 04:05 PM it has been approved? are you serious?
I am 99% sure this building will be approve, especialy when this project was announced by the Prime Minister :)
Chadster93 September 9th, 2010, 01:18 AM Nice title! "Tallest building in South East Asia" :cheers:
VietnamEagle2010 September 9th, 2010, 02:00 AM Sep 08, 2010
O.J. Fall
Property Report
Cambodia’s plans announced in August to build South East Asia’s tallest tower at 555m continues to generate substantial discussion across the region and wider property industry.
The announcement comes at a time when the region seems to be engaged in a rather cold war-esque skyscraper battle, such as that which Stalin undertook against the US leaving great monoliths dotted across the Moscow cityscape.
Across South East Asia, led by Malaysia’s Petronas Towers, which were the world’s tallest building until 2004, each country has sought to redefine the region’s cityscape.
Thailand’s innovative 310m MahaNakhorn development, announced in 2009 and standing just 10m shy of the Eiffel Tower’s spire actually exceeds Singapore’s skyscraper collective that are limited to 280m by the proximity of the airport to the city centre.
As such Vietnam had, until Cambodia’s announcement, been at the van guard of this region’s ‘skyscraper race’. Parallels between Soviet Russia and Vietnam’s communist government aside, it seems that Vietnam is closer to grasping the nettle than any other party in the region. Call it a communist obstinacy or perhaps more realistically a further testament to Vietnam’s endurance and meteoric rise over the lat twenty years, projects announced in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City are looking strong.
Hanoi’s proposed 528m tower to be built by the PetroVietnam Construction Joint Stock Corporation (PVC) at a cost of US$1.2 billion by 2014 follows on from the Bitexco Financial Tower that will open in October this year, standing at 262.5m.
It is however a substantial jump from the 250 – 310m range to over 500m.
Vietnam obviously feels the need to make a statement, announcing its presence on the regional and world stage. Deeper motives behind Cambodia’s announcement than making a bold statement are somewhat elusive.
.
good news :cheers: hope this one will finished on time :banana:
AsianDragons September 9th, 2010, 02:11 AM if 528m high cost $1.2 billion, how can 555m cost $0.2 billion :nuts:
LuvKhm3r September 9th, 2010, 02:47 AM I don't know, it seem like this build is not going to be many floors.... It should look like the picture, just one pole straight up to the sky that's the reason why it's cost
Only $200 millions....
Micronta September 9th, 2010, 03:07 AM if 528m high cost $1.2 billion, how can 555m cost $0.2 billion :nuts:
I am not sure if this was posted before, but this article from Phnom Penh Post says that
"Dennis Poon, managing principal of Thornton Tomasetti, who led the structural engineering team for the design of Taipei 101, estimated that costs for a building of this size would range from US$500 million to $900 million, depending on complexity. He said designing such a building could take a year, with another four years for construction."
and this
Touch Samnang, project manager and architect of OCIC’s Diamond Island, said that the company was preparing for construction and had an architectural proposal in place. “We are studying the land,” he said, and the firm planned to spend $200 million on the building’s first step. "We have enough possible [capital investment] to build. We are not looking for investment partners. But for the technical construction we will need [help] from abroad.”
So, the $200 million is for the first step in building process. It is not for the whole cost of the complete building. $900 million maybe the right one.
See link: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010090241732/Business/hun-sen-unveils-plan-for-worlds-second-tallest-tower.html
:lol:
it was explained here
Micronta September 9th, 2010, 03:08 AM I don't know, it seem like this build is not going to be many floors.... It should look like the picture, just one pole straight up to the sky that's the reason why it's cost
Only $200 millions....
I am not sure if this was posted before, but this article from Phnom Penh Post says that
"Dennis Poon, managing principal of Thornton Tomasetti, who led the structural engineering team for the design of Taipei 101, estimated that costs for a building of this size would range from US$500 million to $900 million, depending on complexity. He said designing such a building could take a year, with another four years for construction."
and this
Touch Samnang, project manager and architect of OCIC’s Diamond Island, said that the company was preparing for construction and had an architectural proposal in place. “We are studying the land,” he said, and the firm planned to spend $200 million on the building’s first step. "We have enough possible [capital investment] to build. We are not looking for investment partners. But for the technical construction we will need [help] from abroad.”
So, the $200 million is for the first step in building process. It is not for the whole cost of the complete building. $900 million maybe the right one.
See link: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010090241732/Business/hun-sen-unveils-plan-for-worlds-second-tallest-tower.html
:lol:
it was explained here.
camtv03 September 9th, 2010, 03:32 AM We'll see when the masterplan revealed. Please be patience my friends
kosal0341 September 9th, 2010, 03:47 AM Sweet deal!!! Glad to see how far along Cambodia is progressing :cheers:
KDean September 9th, 2010, 05:49 AM In the mean time, I think we better stop discussing about this project until we see some real ''evidences'', as some of our forumers suggested. We need photos and more general facts / figures related to this tower.
I believe this project is going to be real. It was told by the Prime Minister of Cambodia Hun Sen - a great leader who is leading Cambodia to the modernisation !! :):)
I AM WITH YOUR OPINION THAT PM HAS TRIED HARD TO MODERNIZE THE COUNTRY. Thank you.SEEMACAU
Peace FOR Cambodia.:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
PinPeat September 19th, 2010, 10:57 PM What in the world? I just heard it today man, it's incredible. hope it's become true hahah..:lol::lol:
really supportive!! we have to build it for new generation!!!
Also THANKS!!!!! for SeeMacua you are the man!! for all your hard work by all of your photos!! around the Kingdom!!
SeeMacau September 20th, 2010, 06:00 AM ^^ Welcome to the forum PinPeat
Can you please drop your name in this thread !! I hope you enjoy this forum :)
INTRODUCE YOURSELF!!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1129471
SeeMacau September 20th, 2010, 06:03 AM really supportive!! we have to build it for new generation!!!
Also THANKS!!!!! for SeeMacua you are the man!! for all your hard work by all of your photos!! around the Kingdom!!
Thanks, also many people conbributed to this forum by posting comments, and taking photos .. I hope you will be the next one !! :)
ukiyo September 25th, 2010, 05:44 PM I cleaned this thread. This thread is about the proposed building in Phnom Penh.
MYPHNOMPENH September 25th, 2010, 06:18 PM Thanks for cleaned all the virus!!!!
sky90 September 25th, 2010, 06:29 PM hey guys, I heard that some vietnamese had some unappropriate posts on the Cambodia thread. So we re so sorry about that.
somrach1 September 26th, 2010, 12:38 AM yeah i just have a FIght with that stupid vietnese guy.
KlaKhmer September 26th, 2010, 01:12 AM Thank you NihonKitty to make this forum clean. We appreciate very much.
SeeMacau September 26th, 2010, 05:00 PM Thanks very much NihonKitty !! :)
Sorry everyone I was away in the past few days and didn't have time to check this forum
LuvKhm3r September 26th, 2010, 05:10 PM Thank you for cleaning this thread.....:)
Angkorian123 September 28th, 2010, 03:30 AM Will it be taller than Freedom Tower in New York? I just came back from New York two days ago and I saw the construction of it and it is progressing fast!
LuvKhm3r September 28th, 2010, 04:16 AM ^^i was there this morning...:)..and yea...it coming soon
Angkorian123 September 28th, 2010, 04:46 AM ^^i was there this morning...:)..and yea...it coming soon
^^ My second time seeing Empire state building and it was FREAKIN Tall! Imagine Phnom Penh to build this!
Europe102 September 28th, 2010, 10:30 AM They're going to use cheap material to build this, I bet.
KlaKhmer September 28th, 2010, 11:35 AM Another who just coming for trouble !
Just because Cambodia want to build the tallest tower :)
If you are proof about what you said, so show it. Else you close your mouth and lets go home.
SeeMacau September 28th, 2010, 11:35 AM They're going to use cheap material to build this, I bet.
How do you know?? Is there any prove ?? :)
Angkorian123 September 28th, 2010, 01:46 PM This is a quote from the Phnom Penh Post!
Earlier this month, it was announced that $200 million would be put towards developing the first stage of a 555-metre tower on the island.
Another $200 million has been put towards developing Koh Pich. When first approved, the project was slated for completion by 2016.
^^ So I'm guessing the 555 meter building and the Koh Pich city are two different projects! :cheers::cheers:
Europe102 September 28th, 2010, 03:17 PM How do you know?? Is there any prove ?? :)
the tallest building right now in asia is taipei 101 and it cost 2 billion to build. they're aiming to build to the second tallest building in the world with only 200 million. you have to wonder if they're using quality material or not.
MYPHNOMPENH September 28th, 2010, 03:51 PM 200 million is not for whole building but it's just for first stage, they spend it for study the project and do some part by foriegn engineer.
yangkhm September 28th, 2010, 06:06 PM 200 million is not for whole building but it's just for first stage, they spend it for study the project and do some part by foriegn engineer.
^^^^Yes, you are right, I think so...:)
KlaKhmer September 28th, 2010, 06:19 PM ^^^^Yes, you are right, I think so...:)
We evoqued this subject "first stage" so much time in this thread.
Angkorian123 September 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM Guys! I think 555 meters ain't tall enough! We need 600-700 meter tall! I think Kith Meng will top this building in the future! :lol::lol:
khmerpride September 28th, 2010, 07:41 PM Guys! I think 555 meters ain't tall enough! We need 600-700 meter tall! I think Kith Meng will top this building in the future! :lol::lol:
555 meters are tall enough for cambodia look.
in Cambodia there are not so much skyscraper so a 555 meter building is enough
pasa_6370 September 30th, 2010, 08:20 PM ..
pasa_6370 September 30th, 2010, 08:22 PM That's great!!!
I'm Thai and
With my respect. If this project will be happened. That's mean the next step of Cambodian ppl. But if it's not, at least this project will show how big of the Cambodian think.
Angkorian123 September 30th, 2010, 09:04 PM That's great!!!
I'm Thai and
With my respect. If this project will be happened. That's mean the next step of Cambodian ppl. But if it's not, at least this project will show how big of the Cambodian think.
^^ Of course it will happen! This building is nothing compare to that of building Angkor! We Khmers can build anything if we want to! Nothing impressive about skycrappers anyways! :ohno::ohno:
khmerpride September 30th, 2010, 10:26 PM no skyscraper or building will be better then Prasat Angkor Wat
KlaKhmer September 30th, 2010, 10:47 PM That's great!!!
I'm Thai and
With my respect. If this project will be happened. That's mean the next step of Cambodian ppl. But if it's not, at least this project will show how big of the Cambodian think.
Your Location: "I proud to be an Asian" <=> not bad ;)
popcorn69 October 1st, 2010, 12:23 AM got render yet ? i cant wait to see it ^^
Imperfect Ending October 1st, 2010, 01:07 AM ^^ But you have to
ukiyo October 1st, 2010, 04:38 AM Nothing impressive about skycrappers anyways! :ohno::ohno:
Blasphemy!! This is Skycrapercity!! :lol:
party_animals October 1st, 2010, 04:47 AM i don't really think this would actually happen.....since the building with only 41 storeys high is being put on hold, why talk about the building with 555m tall - -"
Angkorian123 October 1st, 2010, 04:54 AM Blasphemy!! This is Skycrapercity!! :lol:
^^^ hehehe.. I noticed your the only one who noticed that! I was being sarcastic lolz! :lol::lol:
Angkorian123 October 1st, 2010, 04:57 AM i don't really think this would actually happen.....since the building with only 41 storeys high is being put on hold, why talk about the building with 555m tall - -"
^^^ READ THIS OK!!! We can even build 700-800 meters if we want lolz!
Cambodia plans Asia's tallest skyscraper for its skyline
PHNOM PENH (Kyodo) -- No one is yet sure when the sky above Phnom Penh is to be pierced by Asia's tallest skyscraper, but Prime Minister Hun Sen said this week he has already approved a master plan to include the vertiginous piece of architecture in the city's development.
Across the globe, the 555-meter building will be topped only by the 828-meter Burj Khalifa in Dubai. In Asia it will best the World Financial Center in Shanghai, Asia's second tallest building, by 63 meters and top Asia's tallest skyscraper, Taipei 101, by 46 meters.
Hun Sen said the Phnom Penh architectural phenomenon will be built by Overseas Cambodian Investment Corp., known as Canadia Bank, which is owned by a Cambodian tycoon who has recently completed a 32-story building, now the tallest building in Cambodia.
But the premier's dream for his impoverished country's skyline has prompted mixed reactions from local and international experts in architecture, engineering and construction.
Rainer Israel, director of Cambodian engineering firm iLi Consulting Engineers Mekong, told Kyodo News the proposal is ambitious but "not impossible" if any investor is committed to completing it.
The question, he said, is if the investor "is really committed to doing the project."
He also noted the market in Phnom Penh may not be ready for such a skyscraper for 10 to 20 years yet.
On the technical side, Israel added, the proposed site at Koh Pich Island, a newly developed satellite city, is not yet stable enough for such a massive structure because the island was formed fewer than 100 years ago.
But, Touch Samnang, project manager at Koh Pich Island City, said there is no need to worry about stable land because current technology is such that the building could "even be built on the sea."
He said the architectural plan for the more than $200 million skyscraper is in place and has already been submitted to engineers and concerned ministries and institutions.
"Once we have money, we can build anything," he said.
But, he admitted, groundbreaking is still some years away as more studies are being worked out.
Sung Bonna, president of Bonna Realty Group, said he supports the project and "dreams" to see Phnom Penh with such a high building, but he was also sanguine about capital investment and the need for a 555-meter building now.
"If we look at the present markets, it might need at least five to 10 years, and that still depends on the economic situation and political stability," he said.
But even if the plan for massive skyscraper is now being considered as premature, it is clear Cambodia is already enjoying a boom in architectural schemes in the capital, despite concern from conservationists and cultural groups for Phnom Penh's French colonial heritage.
The 32-story Canadia Bank owned by tycoon Pung Khiav Se is already in place and many other buildings, including 22-, 32-, 38- and 42-story behemoths, are under construction.
But Vann Molyvann, the renowned Cambodian architect who has designed many of Phnom Penh's important sites since the 1950s, including the Independence Monument, Phnom Penh VIP International Airport and the Olympic Stadium, worries about seeing a massively high building rise over the capital.
"I do not want to make any comment that will jeopardize the development plan of the country, but my view is that Burj Khalifa was assembled in a wealthy area of the world with wealthy foreign investors for wealthy people.
"Cambodia is a small country" and it cannot afford "such a folly,' he said.
But the prime minister, who has little time for conservationists, often says the world is "moving to modernization and technology" and Cambodia does not "deserve" to be left out.
"We don't have to be too conservative and to be too outdated," Hun Sen repeated again this week as he unveiled the plan to push 555 meters into the sky above Phnom Penh.
YSovann October 1st, 2010, 09:36 AM I am strongly agree with you Angkorian 123
party_animals October 1st, 2010, 10:09 AM ^^^ READ THIS OK!!! We can even build 700-800 meters if we want lolz!
good to know.....i'll wait and see :)
SeeMacau October 1st, 2010, 03:54 PM Don't u trust the Prime Minister Hun Sen?? :)
MYPHNOMPENH October 1st, 2010, 05:40 PM i don't really think this would actually happen.....since the building with only 41 storeys high is being put on hold, why talk about the building with 555m tall - -"
Not 41 but it's GT42, it's nowaday onhold but I'm strongly belief that this building will be resume soon because its construction already up to 31th floors.:cheers:
And about building with 555m high..! Sure it's will be build in p-penh because this project is invested by Local investor not foriegn investor that they like to make a cake without flour.
Cambodia is changing very fast because nowaday we are in one :)^^:)
We could build so many temples because we are in one......! And now we are move on that way :banana:^^:banana:
Angkorian123 October 1st, 2010, 05:45 PM Don't u trust the Prime Minister Hun Sen?? :)
I trust PM Hun Sen! This is not a Observation Tower but a Skyscraper! The observation tower is a separate project which is already included in the 200 million dollar development of the city! The 555 meter private building was just recently added to the project which cost 200 mill for the first stage and then probably will cost 700-800- mill for the rest! This will be taller than Freedom Tower in New York when it is finish! But it will not be the tallest in Asia because Shanghai is building a 600 plus skyscraper. But if the project complete before the Shanghai building it will enjoy the title for only a year or so before overtaken by China lolz!
http://www.ekhmermagazines.com/ekhmermagazines/uploaded/25-418-014.jpg
Angkorian123 October 1st, 2010, 05:54 PM Not 41 but it's GT42, it's nowaday onhold but I'm strongly belief that this building will be resume soon because its construction already up to 31th floors.:cheers:
And about building with 555m high..! Sure it's will be build in p-penh because this project is invested by Local investor not foriegn investor that they like to make a cake without flour.
Cambodia is changing very fast because nowaday we are in one :)^^:)
We can build so many temples because we are in one......! And now we are move on that way :banana:^^:banana:
^^ I like your Comment! Together as ONE we can achieve the impossible just like Angkor times. Don't matter if you Khmer, Chinese, Indian, Cham etc.! We did back then and we will do it again! :banana2::banana2:
khmerpride October 1st, 2010, 10:21 PM this building be the second largest or not it will be one of the largest skyscraper of the world
mrfusion October 2nd, 2010, 11:55 AM I don't believe it will happen anytime soon, if is private company funded, it is even more unlikely, a tall tower can only generate so much income form tourist, it has to rent/sold all its apartments/offices. And the demand isn't there, there are lots of rich people, but there isn't that many rich people to buy/rent this tower to make this tower profitable.
The Dubai tower is mostly empty, Dubai keep on building, but the populations, the workforce there could not digest it. And those are well paid workforce.
When the oil industry boom in Cambodia, things may have change, but I think still don't justify to have this tall tower. Phnom Penh has plenty of land, you can't charge Taiwan/NY rate, 2x 300m tower is cheaper to build and does just good.
By the time Cambodia is ready, China will have 15 tower of these size, 555m is nothing.
kvaaa October 2nd, 2010, 01:58 PM I don't believe it will happen anytime soon, if is private company funded, it is even more unlikely, a tall tower can only generate so much income form tourist, it has to rent/sold all its apartments/offices. And the demand isn't there, there are lots of rich people, but there isn't that many rich people to buy/rent this tower to make this tower profitable.
The Dubai tower is mostly empty, Dubai keep on building, but the populations, the workforce there could not digest it. And those are well paid workforce.
When the oil industry boom in Cambodia, things may have change, but I think still don't justify to have this tall tower. Phnom Penh has plenty of land, you can't charge Taiwan/NY rate, 2x 300m tower is cheaper to build and does just good.
By the time Cambodia is ready, China will have 15 tower of these size, 555m is nothing.
I agree with you 100%. Companies don't just build a tower when it is not needed. They have better use for their money than let it sit idle in the form of a tall tower and paying property tax on it while it generates negligible income. Also, people should not bank too much hope on the oil money. Estimates from various institutions shows that Cambodia only has about 700 million barells of oil. This oil is sparsely spreaded in the ocean floor. This is the reason some of the companies given the exploration right did not start drilling wells. If 700 million barells is located in one area, we would have oil money by now. I have more hope in mining and agriculture now than I do in oil extraction.
MYPHNOMPENH October 2nd, 2010, 04:54 PM Anayway! Canadia Bank is the most successful business in Cambodia, So I belief that before this Bank decided to build the building with 555m high, Sure they already study about Cambodia market in the near future.
Not only mining such as oil, gold, steel....that Cambodian expected but enegy like eletricity....! all of these coming soon,
Somemore Cambodia expected to export milk rice at least 1 million tone in year 2015.
My idea, Cambodia will be growing faster in the near future because:
1, Mining (Coming soon)
2, Tourism (The number of tourism alway keep up..up)
3, Agriculture (Lot of new plantation such as rubber tree.......get the result very soon)
4, Industry (So many famous factory not yet come, but will be in one day..)
5, ........!..........! help me to count.
MYPHNOMPENH October 2nd, 2010, 05:15 PM I don't believe it will happen anytime soon, if is private company funded, it is even more unlikely, a tall tower can only generate so much income form tourist, it has to rent/sold all its apartments/offices. And the demand isn't there, there are lots of rich people, but there isn't that many rich people to buy/rent this tower to make this tower profitable.
The Dubai tower is mostly empty, Dubai keep on building, but the populations, the workforce there could not digest it. And those are well paid workforce.
When the oil industry boom in Cambodia, things may have change, but I think still don't justify to have this tall tower. Phnom Penh has plenty of land, you can't charge Taiwan/NY rate, 2x 300m tower is cheaper to build and does just good.
By the time Cambodia is ready, China will have 15 tower of these size, 555m is nothing.
Cambodian very suprise when we know that our p-penh city will be build a very high building 555m,:) We are don't competition with other....but we are do with ourself.^^
Don't forget that Cambodia not using all of our main powerful resources yet, And if we are successful with that..... just cut down the rate of poorness in Cambodia then our country will look modern automotically.:cheers:
kvaaa October 2nd, 2010, 07:39 PM I would order the importance of Cambodian economy in the following way:
1. Tourism (even if garment is still the number 1 at the present)
2. Agriculture (rice, rubber, fishing)
3. Manufacturing (garmen (good now, but it will be gone if workers keep asking for more pay) & light industrial)
4. Mining
5. Oil and gas (we will get royalty and profit sharing, but it will be small)
6. Energy (export of excess electricity in a few years)
7. Construction (This sector will keep employment stable for the next 10 to 30 years)
Angkorian123 October 2nd, 2010, 09:32 PM Again this a private investment so they can do whatever the hell they want with the money! I'm pretty sure the investor ain't stupid! This Koh Pich project is the only one that I can trust to build and finish on time! :cheers::cheers:
MYPHNOMPENH October 2nd, 2010, 10:52 PM Again this a private investment so they can do whatever the hell they want with the money! I'm pretty sure the investor ain't stupid! This Koh Pich project is the only one that I can trust to build and finish on time! :cheers::cheers:
You are right! And not only big investor...! Even us, we also need to know as much as possible about what is going on with our country so that we can get a successful life.
So even we starting to feed the big... At least we should know that our government still allowed people to import pig from VN or Thai ????
And for sure, OCIC Canadia Bank get a lot information then the normal peoples because all the big local investors are our government partners.
Ok????
LuvKhm3r October 3rd, 2010, 08:15 AM what r we talking about...government or the building?
MYPHNOMPENH October 3rd, 2010, 02:17 PM what r we talking about...government or the building?
Government sign for approval then the building can start it's construction.:)
kvaaa October 3rd, 2010, 03:54 PM what r we talking about...government or the building?
No buildings to talk about, they all are dead it seems:lol:
LuvKhm3r October 3rd, 2010, 06:00 PM ^^......^_^... I see.... So you guy just bored... Huh???
MYPHNOMPENH October 3rd, 2010, 06:07 PM Now... yes!!!! Hope later we have alot of thing to talk invold with building:-)
party_animals October 3rd, 2010, 06:12 PM feel free to drop by your neighbour forums sometimes if u guys are bored...
camtv03 October 5th, 2010, 02:19 PM Alright guys! Here come the 555 meters skyscraper of Cambodia.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/555.png
KlaKhmer October 5th, 2010, 02:46 PM Really ? It looks like the observation tower for Koh Pich.
Where this information comes from ?
Angkorian123 October 5th, 2010, 03:05 PM I was all excited at first but when I saw the pic??? Forget it! With 200 mill you can build that! I thought it was an actual skyscraper! :nuts::nuts::nuts:
MYPHNOMPENH October 5th, 2010, 03:59 PM I think that pict is the old design and they just only change the title from Observation tower >>> 555m building.
The real design please just waiting for OCIC to issue the project design, please wait!!!
I see so many local magazine make their own design of the 555m building :-(
Angkorian123 October 5th, 2010, 04:18 PM I think that pict is the old design and they just only change the title from Observation tower >>> 555m building.
The real design please just waiting for OCIC to issue the project design, please wait!!!
I see so many local magazine make their own design of the 555m building :-(
^^ please don't tell that's the real design because it doesn't even look like 90-100 floors never mind that it doesn't even come close to 50 floors!
khmerpride October 5th, 2010, 04:31 PM Alright guys! Here come the 555 meters skyscraper of Cambodia.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/555.png
hmm its a Tower ^^
SeeMacau October 5th, 2010, 05:30 PM 90 - 100 floors?? I think it probably includes the lower portion (white color) of the tower.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/555.png
It is like Macau Tower, a purely observation tower with 63 floors inside.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Macau_tower_280px.jpg
StrongAngkor October 5th, 2010, 05:32 PM I dont believe much on local magazine since they just show everyone wit this to make the public wonder and in fact they just show the place where the 555m will be built. That pic is koh pich. But the render of 555m not so to public yet. I l believe when OCIC declare a real render one.
Angkorian123 October 5th, 2010, 06:04 PM If it's an observation tower don't bother building it! A building suppose to represent a landmark of a great and legendary country like Cambodia but that's just a waste of money if that's true!
MYPHNOMPENH October 5th, 2010, 06:30 PM http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/555.png
Where is this picture come from????:nuts:
MYPHNOMPENH October 5th, 2010, 08:52 PM Same same rocket flying to the moon....!lolz!
Angkorian123 October 5th, 2010, 08:57 PM That thing looks ugly! It does look like a rocket launcher! Maybe they build it in order to go to space lolz! :cheers::cheers::cheers:
bokator October 5th, 2010, 10:26 PM I'm disappointed with the design ! it's ugly.
KlaKhmer October 5th, 2010, 10:40 PM You mean a little kitsch / retro ?
MYPHNOMPENH October 5th, 2010, 11:32 PM I'm disappointed with the design ! it's ugly.
Don't disappionted yet with this picture, it's not a real one.
I just said waiting for OCIC to show it up, not any local magazines....!
MYPHNOMPENH October 6th, 2010, 02:23 AM 90 - 100 floors?? I think it probably includes the lower portion (white color) of the tower.
For me is ok! if they design this building with observation floor at the top floor of the buliding :) but why don't they design the lower portion the same the half upper floor??? why keep it concrete like this????:ohno:
Hopefully this is not the real design of OCIC.:)
mrfusion October 6th, 2010, 06:47 AM Alright guys! Here come the 555 meters skyscraper of Cambodia.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/camtv03/555.png
This is the most ugly Artist impression type of pictures I have ever seen.
I don't read Khmer, to me, it looks like a poster of a ghost movie.
LuvKhm3r October 6th, 2010, 09:23 AM heheehh....This is funny...u guys make me laugh...:lol:...
but it the true, i hate it too...:)
^^it said...The 555m Tower/ Building is plan to be build on Diamond Island....:)
MYPHNOMPENH October 6th, 2010, 02:20 PM :nuts: help me :nuts: remove this picture!!!! :lol:
BetterForAll October 6th, 2010, 02:37 PM I don't like this design either. hope they could come up with a better one.
The other problem is that if they build it on the Diamond Island that high, it will overlook inside the royal palace.. Do you guys think a good?? just my concern..
raksmey13 October 7th, 2010, 03:44 AM I really really hope they aren't serious about the design. That looks really stupid. >_<
StrongAngkor October 7th, 2010, 03:53 AM I heard the news on tv that an exhibition will be held in diamond island 21-23 october. they will also show about some projects on diamond island. Hope they will show this 555m rendering.
nawat001 October 7th, 2010, 03:59 AM this picture is like something for men :banana::lol:
SeeMacau October 7th, 2010, 05:07 AM I heard the news on tv that an exhibition will be held in diamond island 21-23 october. they will also show about some projects on diamond island. Hope they will show this 555m rendering.
Cambodian Property Show
We can organise another SSC Meeting during that time :)
YSovann October 7th, 2010, 07:37 AM At the top of tower should be the same of Angkor wat temple or bayon temple.
MYPHNOMPENH October 7th, 2010, 10:23 AM I don't like this design either. hope they could come up with a better one.
The other problem is that if they build it on the Diamond Island that high, it will overlook inside the royal palace.. Do you guys think a good?? just my concern..
I know your concern about royal palace, but people now is difference with 20 years ago...somemore RP nothing secret everyone can visit inside. And if you afraid 555m building so near or higher then the RP unless this building going to build at (Kom Pong Spue).
BetterForAll October 7th, 2010, 05:04 PM I know your concern about royal palace, but people now is difference with 20 years ago...somemore RP nothing secret everyone can visit inside. And if you afraid 555m building so near or higher then the RP unless this building going to build at (Kom Pong Spue).
Thank for ur explanation. Actually, me also think the same like you.
me asked you bcos last year the building in front of Cambodiana Hotel, the one that thought to be a another Pannasastra University Campus, Not so far from Diamond island n just 11 floors (sorry I'm not sure abt the floors). Every1 criticized it and wanted the top floor to be demolished. anyway, for me, the design is acceptable, but hope they will could come up with a better design
I like Cambodian Style building..:)
MYPHNOMPENH October 7th, 2010, 05:40 PM That building now converted to Hotel, anyways I like it too because most of tourism they like to stay near the river side.
That building still keep original no demolished yet maybe government have change some idea or they have the same idae with us. Lolz!
keopera91 October 7th, 2010, 11:58 PM That thing is ugly. xD
SeeMacau October 8th, 2010, 07:12 AM That building now converted to Hotel, anyways I like it too because most of tourism they like to stay near the river side.
That building still keep original no demolished yet maybe government have change some idea or they have the same idae with us. Lolz!
That's right !! :)
The building is now a 4 star hotel - Landscape Hotel
More photos:
http://www.asiawebdirect.com/cambodia/phnom-penh/landscape-hotel-phnom-penh/
Angkorian123 October 8th, 2010, 07:19 AM I don't think the building is a Observation Tower! I think it's actually a Skyscraper because even the manager said it will takes years to actually break ground!
YSovann October 8th, 2010, 09:25 AM Dear everybody
You will know the good news about this building on the 10th next few days.
MYPHNOMPENH October 8th, 2010, 10:11 AM That's right !! :)
The building is now a 4 star hotel - Landscape Hotel
More photos:
http://www.asiawebdirect.com/cambodia/phnom-penh/landscape-hotel-phnom-penh/
Thanks! SeeMacau!
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