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Yellow Fever
September 3rd, 2010, 06:28 AM
B.C. government adopted HST despite warnings of negative impact on the economy

13 months after Freedom of Information request, heavily censored documents reveal discussion surrounding harmonized sales tax


By Jonathan Fowlie, Vancouver Sun September 2, 2010

VICTORIA — The B.C. Liberal government pushed ahead with the harmonized sales tax despite warnings from high-level officials that it could lead to at least five years of increased unemployment, lower wages and depressed productivity.

“While the long-term economic gain [of the HST] is relatively clear, harmonization will cause a short-term loss in GDP and unemployment,” says a briefing note prepared by the top official in B.C.’s tax policy branch for Finance Minister Colin Hansen.

“[A C.D. Howe Institute] study suggests that it may take five or more years before the impact on GDP is positive and even longer for real wages and job numbers to recover,” the note said.

“Given current economic conditions, this could be a concern.”

The revelation came Wednesday in documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

It prompted NDP leader Carole James to say the government had not been honest with British Columbians about when it began considering the HST.

The documents reveal that top bureaucrats in Victoria were discussing a possible move to the HST as early as March 2009 — a month and a half before the provincial election and far earlier than the Liberal government has ever acknowledged.

Premier Gordon Campbell and Hansen have repeatedly said the HST was not on the government’s “radar screen” until after the May 12, 2009 provincial election.

Campbell told the legislature that officials in Victoria were not authorized to begin negotiations until late May 2009, after Hansen first discussed the issue with federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty.

“We couldn’t even launch into that discussion ... at the officials level until we’d informed the federal minister of finance that was taking place,” Campbell told the legislature last November.

“Only when that notification had been made were our officials in a position where they could even start to discuss it,” Campbell said.

Hansen made similar remarks about when discussions began, and told the legislature in response to a question by NDP finance critic Bruce Ralston last Nov. 23 that there was absolutely no discussion on the tax until the end of May.

“By discussion,” Ralston told Hansen, “I mean personal contact, face-to-face, or any exchange of memos at the deputy minister level or through the e-mail network or anything. There’s simply no discussion at any level between the minister of finance, his officials and the premier and his office and his officials about the HST between January, when it was first raised publicly in Ontario, and the end of May.

“Is that the minister’s position?”

“That is correct,” Hansen answered.

The documents released Wednesday show high-level bureaucrats in Victoria and Ottawa spoke about the HST on March 26 of last year, the day Ontario formally announced its intention to move to a harmonized tax.

It was not clear from the documents exactly what was discussed.

Hansen said Wednesday he did not know at the time he answered Ralston that those communications had taken place.

“I was actually surprised when I read through this just how much back and forth there is at the officials level,” he said in an interview Wednesday.

“I was surprised to go through and read the extent of a lot of the back and forth with Ottawa that was obviously there.”

James said that “from the start the premier, the finance minister, B.C. Liberal MLAs, have been saying over and over to the public the HST was not on the radar screen before the election.

“It’s very clear from these documents it was on their radar screen. They were looking at options, they were exploring the HST. It’s another betrayal of trust for the public,” she said.

James said the government wasn’t being honest with British Columbia, and that the information about a possible short-term hit to the economy shows it was wrong to bring in the HST during a recession.

“In reading that information it was pretty clear it was going to have a damaging impact on our economy,” James said.

“I don’t think an HST — a tax that’s going to slow down our economy — is any kind of good economic management when you want to get yourself out of a recession.”

Hansen insisted that the discussions reflected in the documents were initiated by bureaucrats, and were not directed by the political level of government.

“None of these inquiries were undertaken at the request of anybody at the political level,” he said.

“Ministry officials took it upon themselves to make these inquiries ... as they have done over the years going back to the mid-1990s,” Hansen said.

The documents include a briefing note prepared by the B.C. government for Campbell’s meeting with provincial premiers on Jan. 16, 2009.

“British Columbia recognizes the potential economic benefits of harmonization but continues to have concerns,” that document concluded.

A more comprehensive briefing note was prepared for Hansen on March 12 of last year, just ahead of Ontario’s official announcement of a move to the HST.

“In light of Ontario’s recent public statements regarding harmonization ... the British Columbia government will likely be asked about its position on harmonization,” the briefing note says.

“Government may wish to consider how to respond to these questions.”

Hansen said Wednesday he recalled skimming the briefing note, but insisted he did not seriously consider the HST until after the election.

“The ministry was obviously looking at HST related issues but it is not something that ever went forward,” he said.

“It obviously came to my desk. It never went any farther because it was not something that was part of what we were looking at.”

That same briefing note also outlined the concerns about the potential short-term economic consequences of the HST on B.C.’s GDP, wages and levels of unemployment.

It cited a C.D. Howe study of the possible effects of an HST in Ontario, which concluded that GDP could dip for five years as a result of the new tax, and that employment could fall for even longer.

Hansen said Wednesday that was old information, and that B.C. was able to negotiate better terms for the HST that lessen the impacts of potential short-term pain.

“Given what we were able to negotiate in terms of the increased flexibility and the increased benefits for British Columbia, the benefits significantly outweigh the downsides,” he said.

“It’s not as big an issue,” he said, adding that tax policy specialist Jack Mintz, a former head of the C.D. Howe Institute who worked on the study, had told B.C. the benefits would come much quicker than the institute had projected.

The documents show that on May 11, 2009 — the day before the provincial election — the executive director of B.C.’s tax policy branch wrote to his counterpart in Ottawa asking if B.C. could implement an HST with a provincial rate other than eight per cent.

“Am I correct in assuming a province could now start at a rate other than 8%?” Glen Armstrong wrote in an e-mail to Louise Levonian, assistant deputy minister in the federal tax policy branch.

The provincial government has said one of the reasons it moved to the HST was the new flexibility to set the provincial portion of the rate at seven per cent, as opposed to the higher level previously proposed by Ottawa.

jfowlie@vancouversun.com



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Yellow Fever
September 3rd, 2010, 06:32 AM
here some comments



vizio
9:21 PM on September 2, 2010

The B.C. Liberal government pushed ahead with the harmonized sales tax despite warnings from high-level officials that it could lead to at least five years of increased unemployment, lower wages and depressed productivity.

despite all this in a recession they went ahead and took more money out of our pockets with zero consultation and lied and lied to our faces!

thanks for the support during these tough times instead of caring taxpyers got a kick in the teeth by Campbell and Hansen.

they planned on the HST before the election and figured once they got re-elected they'll ram it in asap and all the work will have been done.

its all there and obvious, how Campbell and Hansen can look anyone in the face is beyond me!

Where is Campbell anyways....hiding?


anonymous
4:57 PM on September 2, 2010

Give it up Hansen! You have lied so many times on behalf of your drunken boss that you might believe it
now and that is scary. In the quest to cover the convicted drunkard - you were not smart enough to cover your own b*u*T*T so now you must go too. Stop talking, you only make yourself looker dumber each time.
Kiss my vote goodbye.


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anonymous
2:57 PM on September 2, 2010

So, Hansen, what would you like to say to all the unemployed folks in this province now?


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anonymous
2:36 PM on September 2, 2010

He needs to resign and take Campbell with him!


anonymous
2:36 PM on September 2, 2010

I find it interesting the related story about Coleman's constituency association president (Bateman) saying Hansen should resign because of the way the HST has been handled. Not that I necessarily disagree. However, I cannot help but note that Campbell has all his ministers on a really short leash. Therefore, it stretches credibility to think that Gordo was not really the one running things. So, by Bateman's logic, the one who should be resigning is Campbell.

Not that I think either resignation will ever happen.


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Gerry94
2:26 PM on September 2, 2010

A man that can stand there and lie with a staight face should resign. Immediately. Enough double-speak, just resign.


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Slippery Slope
1:14 PM on September 2, 2010

"The Harmonized sales tax is not on the radar screen."

But what Colin Hansen really meant is....

"We never included the HST in the campaign because we wouldn't be elected, thereby allowing us to legally shift the tax burden on to the people of British Columbia so that Big Business could have make Obscene Profits."


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anonymous
11:28 AM on September 2, 2010

After paid income tax, HST robs us once again. Do not let politicians fool us around all the time. How can we recall such politicians?


cherylincanada
8:48 AM on September 2, 2010

Huggie was actually surprised at the amount of "back and forth" going on about the HST before the election with his staff and officials after assuring NDP finance critic Bruce Ralston that nothing had happened until after the election.
Either he's incredibly incompetent or he's a liar. Either way, he has no business holding the responsibility for the second most important position in the province if he's not aware of what's happening in the office. Huggie and Gordo MUST resign now and Recall in the Fall for the rest of them!



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SanGai
8:20 AM on September 2, 2010

Liberals take your money and reward their rich friends.

NDP take your money and reward the poor, destitute and anybody else looking for a free ride.

Take your pick. I'm going with the BC Conservatives.

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anonymous
7:45 AM on September 2, 2010

Once upon a time a Campbell betrayed his countrymen for money. The betrayal lead to slaughter and invasion. (historical fact) The apple does not fall far from the tree; Campbell and Hanson must go immediately. They have proven themselves incapable of managing the province other than for their own gains, and must be removed from office at once.


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anonymous
7:35 AM on September 2, 2010

When if ever will these false pretence individuals in the Liberal caucus come clean...NEVER.........


Kittybay
7:34 AM on September 2, 2010

All together now... "liar liar pants on fire!" I can't believe this twit Hansen can look in the camera and say he didn't know his own staff were looking into the HST! Sounds like you're running a really tight ship there Fiberal Hansen. Out out out, get out now!


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Mesa Mac
7:11 AM on September 2, 2010

When I see Colin Hansen or Gordon campbell, why am I reminded of Al Franken's book: 'Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell them'?


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kenmags
6:18 AM on September 2, 2010

WOW NDP, Liberals ,what are you people thinking or are you!
You didn`t learn a thing!


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anonymous
4:44 AM on September 2, 2010

Carol James scares me but on the other hand so does Campbell -- WHAT THE HELL ARE US VOTERS TO DO WITH CHOICES LIKE THIS ? ? ?


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anonymous
3:59 AM on September 2, 2010

When are NDP going to elect a leader that can stand up tp these crooks?
Carrol James, and her lack of ability to be elected, is what is allowing the Liberals to do what they have been doing.

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ailbird7
12:44 AM on September 2, 2010



Vancouver Real Estate =DrugMoney
Really it is time to put an end to this kind of deceit once and for all, unless we truly want to be just another third world slum. I suggest that it is time to teach Liberal the price for being lier's and cheats. Don't do business with a Liberal, do not hire them, if they are on your staff, well, give them a long holiday. The list of supporters is long, it is time that these thugs get the message that dishonesty is not going to be tolerated, shunning is the only way these guys are going to get the message, get out of town, get out of the province. You lied and stole the publics money and have bankrupted the province and now lie about it. Voting them out is not enough, they must pay the price for such crimes against basic decency, moral and ethical behavior. Lying in public office cannot be tolerated, not for one moment. Honesty is the only policy there is no excuse for this blatant corrupt behavior. Cheats are cheats cannot be trusted.


arp1
11:09 PM on September 1, 2010

Sleezy, lying B*******s!!! and people like

mayven 10:26 PM on September 1, 2010

are obviously delusional or collecting a pay cheque from the BC Liberals


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na27
10:52 PM on September 1, 2010

"At least with the LIBERALS we know what we are getting"

Really? Did we know about the HST? How about the plans to sell BC Rail? Did we know they would tear up legally binding contracts with Public Sector Unions? Did we know we would get mega-projects with mega cost over runs when they were promised to be "on time and on budget"? Did we know the pre-election budget deficit of 495 million would suddenly turn into a 2.7 billion dollar deficit post-election?

If you knew what you were getting when you voted for the BC Liberals, Mayven, it's possible you're the only one.