The Planning Assessment Commission will get to decide the fate of Meriton's proposal for Warriewood Valley.

From The Manly Daily (manlydaily.com.au)

Meriton: Minister to decide who has a say
Real Estate8 Sep 10 @ 05:26pm by JOHN MORCOMBE

PITTWATER Council will have to wait until the Planning Department has assessed Meriton’s controversial Warriewood Valley development before it can put its case to the Planning Assessment Commission, its determining authority.

Meriton wants to erect 16 three, four and five-storey buildings comprising 559 units at 14-18 Boondah Rd, Warriewood.

Last week, Planning Minister Tony Kelly announced the Planning Assessment Commission will be the determining authority, but it will only be able to review the proposal when the department has assessed it and passed on its findings.

Mr Kelly said the commission will meet Pittwater Council “to ensure local views are heard”, but the council wants community groups and individuals to be able to make submissions to an open session of the commission.

A spokeswoman for the commission said any decision about who will be able to make submissions to it will be made by the minister.

“We haven’t received the formal referral from the minister yet,” she said.

“We don’t yet know what our role will be.

“The directions of who the commission will speak to will come with the referral from the minister.

“We will have to wait until the department has finalised its assessment before it comes to the commission for determination.”

Should probably merge with this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=627223) thread...

^ And called Northern Beaches rather than Manly Warringah. There's only enough going on for a merged Northern Beaches thread.

Not sure if this is the right thread?

I am surprised that the residents are worrying about Town Houses when they look at what is happening in Suburbs close to them. Its obviously along a bus route so surely the better idea would be to push for more frequent buses?! Obviously more about the "type" of people they want living in their area...


Affordable housing policy under attack

Matthew Moore URBAN AFFAIRS EDITOR
September 17, 2010


THE NSW opposition has promised to scrap a key government policy encouraging developers to build affordable housing and joined Frenchs Forest locals opposed to construction of 26 townhouses in a leafy cul-de-sac.

The Opposition planning spokesman, Brad Hazzard, said the policy allowing medium-density developments in suburban streets - provided half the dwellings were rented below market rates for a decade - was encouraging the wrong developments in the wrong areas.

''It is inappropriate and would need to be completely revamped,'' he said. ''It's a recipe for understandable, massive community discontent, this particular SEPP [State Environmental Planning Policy] is an out-there example of the worst of the worst of planning policies that don't have community consultation or input … when they come into play they cause great upset. It's very unfortunate.''

The government introduced the policy during the global financial crisis giving developers permission to build more densely than usual in exchange for providing rent-reduced housing for workers in low- and middle-paying jobs who are often forced to live on the city fringes.

But councils and residents say the policy allows inappropriate developments such as the one in Frenchs Forest, where the developer has applied to build 26 townhouses on three residential blocks in quiet streets.

The mayor of Warringah, Michael Regan, criticised the affordable housing policy because the planning controls were ''bereft of rigour'' and allowed housing in streets too far from shops and transport.

''This is a low-density little cul-de-sac, the bus services are infrequent, only once per hour. Development should be in Dee Why or the fringe of Brookvale where you can walk, ride a bike or take a bus to work,'' he said.

A resident, Claire Corrie, said the high-density development was out of keeping with the area and having so many units in such a small space raised issues including child safety from increased traffic and environment issues from tree loss.

The developer, Ronnie Dyne, of Stonebridge Projects, said the site was well located for key workers such as police and nurses who needed housing with lower rents closer to their jobs.

He was dismayed to hear Mr Hazzard planned to rework the policy. ''My first reaction was it seems to be against Liberal Party policy as I noticed in the lead-up to the federal election Tony Abbott was talking about supporting affordable housing.''

Although buses run only till 6pm on weekdays, there was adequate transport, he said. He believed such developments would be built in many suburbs as the city struggles to house its growing population.

''I think it is inevitable. This is far better than having loads of high-rises plonked in the middle of established suburbs … it's a medium-density development that has been very carefully designed to blend in with the environment and not interfere with surrounding properties.''

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I did see that but its not really Dee Why Skyscrapers related. I agree that all the threads should probably be merged and named the Northern Beaches.

Request to mods: merge the posts in the 'Skyscrapers at Dee Why' thread.
Manly - Warringah is the northern beaches.

Update on Meriton plans for Warriewood.

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From The Manly Daily (manlydaily.com.au)

Meriton lodges amended plan for Warriewood Valley
Real Estate16 Sep 10 @ 06:00pm by JOHN MORCOMBE

MERITON has lodged an amended plan with the Planning Department for its controversial proposal to build 16 three-, four- and five-storey unit blocks in the Warriewood Valley.

And Pittwater Mayor Harvey Rose wants everyone in Pittwater to look at them.

Meriton’s Preferred Project Report was prepared for the Planning Department in response to submissions from Pittwater Council, community groups and individuals to Meriton’s original proposal, which has been pared back from 599 units to 559.

The Preferred Project Report has been supplied to the council and placed on the department’s website.

The council is now preparing a fresh submission in response to the Preferred Project Report.

Because Meriton owner Harry Triguboff has made political donations, the new proposal will now be determined by the Planning Assessment Commission, rather than the Planning Department or the Planning Minister.

Cr Rose said it is likely the department will finalise its assessment of the Meriton proposal by the end of next month and then refer it to the Planning Assessment Commission.

The minister has already indicated that Pittwater Council will be consulted by the commission, but Cr Rose said all those who made submissions to the department should be allowed to address the commission.

What do you think of the new plans? Comment online below.

“At this point in time, while the Planning Minister has committed to the matter being referred to the Planning Assessment Commission, it is unclear what authorities the minister will delegate to the commission and uncertain as to what processes it will undertake in its considerations, including if it will allow respondents, including the council, to make submissions at the hearing and whether or not the commission’s hearing will be open to the public,” he said.

“It is also uncertain as to whether or not the general community, including objectors, are aware of the submission of the Preferred Project Report by Meriton.”

To view the report visit www.majorprojects. planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl? action=view-job&job-id=3462.

The NSW State Government wants Frenchs Forest to be like Chatswood.

From The Manly Daily (manlydaily.com.au)

Forest way to mega-city
Real Estate 21 Dec 10 @ 11:26pm by Brenton Cherry

FRENCHS Forest will be transformed into a metropolitan centre to rival Chatswood and North Sydney under a plan unveiled by the State Government.

This week the NSW Department of Planning released its proposal to develop part of Frenchs Forest as a major medical, employment and retail precinct around the proposed northern beaches hospital. The precinct would cover about 2.5km - from Ellis Rd and Warringah Rd (Beacon Hill) in the east to Forestway shopping centre in the west, and could provide up to 17,000 new jobs, 1300 homes, plus substantial additional retail areas.

The proposed site, which now includes a business park and low-density housing, would be overhauled to cater for the influx. To handle extra traffic, Warringah Rd would be treated as an urban street, which would be achieved through grade separation of Forest Way and Wakehurst Parkway intersections.

But the ultimate vision is to direct regional thoroughfare traffic into a tunnel under Warringah Rd, allowing the street to become an east-west pedestrian, cycle and vehicular connection to the centre. Planning Department acting deputy director Neil McGaffin said plans for a new hospital would mean both a significant investment in vital infrastructure, and an opportunity to plan for a specialised centre to complement it.

“This would assist in creating additional jobs closer to home for northern beaches residents, reducing commuting times,” he said.

“Frenchs Forest has the potential to become a major transit-oriented destination, delivering opportunities for a large number of jobs, health services and living at the gateway to the northern beaches.”

Planning Institute of Australia NSW president Tony McNamara said the vision for Frenchs Forest was an example of how planning should be done.

``The beauty of this project is it’s not just one development, it’s based on a good strategic analysis of the transport, housing and work needs in this locality,’’ he said.

``What this does is ensure that for the northern suburbs, for people looking for employment in these localities, there is a great location to work and live rather than having to travel across Sydney to other major hospitals and business centres.’‘

Warringah Council general manager Rik Hart said the plan for Frenchs Forest was not unexpected.

``We always knew there was going to be a lot of extra jobs required up around there because it won’t just be a hospital, there will be support facilities as well,’’ he said.

``We have anticipated that there would be also be an increase in demand for housing.

``It makes sense because Warringah Rd is a major transport link, so putting increased population along major transport routes fits with that.’‘

The public can view and make submissions on the plans for Frenchs Forest until February 7, 2011. They can be viewed at Warringah Council chambers, Forestville library, Warringah Mall library, NSW Department of Planning Information Centre at 23-33 Bridge St, Sydney, and online at planning.nsw.gov.au.

Maglev buses required stat!

Interesting, another major centre for the North. Fits in with the desire for any future Beaches railway to run from Chatswood to Dee Why via Frenchs Forrest rather than via Mosman.

I do wonder how many of the locals are going to be working there or is it really going to be like Chatswood where the majority of your workers dont actually live on the North Shore?

I wouldn't call it Chatswood though.
It would be more like Maquarie Park or Norwest business park.

Pretty good for the people living there though. I go to Narrabeen once in a while and it takes quite a while to get to Chatswood even from there, let alone Mona Vale, Palm Beach etc. I've always felt that the Northern Beaches area has been left out. They've built quite a few apartments there over the years but lacks decent public transport, highways and a major centre.

I wouldn't call it Chatswood though.
It would be more like Maquarie Park or Norwest business park.

I would much prefer another Chatswood instead of more boring business parks

I have to say I would be surprised if this gets past the local NIMBYs in any meaningful way. I had a look at the article and the locals are already frothing. The local Liberal member is quite vocal about having no development in the area too I think?

They probably do need a rail line for it to really grow rather than another road tunnel and we all know that there wont be another rail line North of the Harbour. The NWRL will be it for a very long time and it will choke the existing line between St Leonards and the CBD let alone trying to do anything else.

I am guessing they are thinking priority bus lanes for Warringah rd running into Chatswood but it gets very sticky Eastern Valley Way, Boundary st and Archbold rd.

I guess with all the apartments they are building in the North combined with the Northern Employment centres they are expecting people to work locally. How naive that is remains to be seen.

Alot of the locals already work locally, but public transport is inadequate for a population that is quite spread out.

It will help justify the case for a Chatswood-Dee Why rail link.

I have to say i am not impressed, i'd rather they concentrate development around dee why and brookvale. I know there is ample land around frenchs forest but i think its too close to chatswood and not convenient enough to be considered a perfect solution for NB residents. There are two rail lines needed one via Mosman and one via FF. The military road corridor is in meltdown and something is required sooner rather than later, an underground bus newtwork is NOT the answer.

Alot of the locals already work locally, but public transport is inadequate for a population that is quite spread out.

It will help justify the case for a Chatswood-Dee Why rail link.

maybe that's why. as far as i'm concerned, the insular northern beaches can suffer!

Alot of the locals already work locally, but public transport is inadequate for a population that is quite spread out.

It will help justify the case for a Chatswood-Dee Why rail link.

It is true that a higher than average number of beaches folk work locally but have a think about how this relates to a centre of this size.

If you believe the current plans there is no chance of any rail changes North of the Harbour within a 30 year period. Let alone a second Harbour crossing. The closest we will see is the NWRL between Epping and Rouse Hill.

Now that transport is meant to be integrated with planning we are supposed to only see proposals that relate to the infrastructure we are building. The closest mention we have for the North is possible capacity improvements on the LNS line. This would mean the planned signalling changes I would imagine and maybe SD trains. Thus they talk of road tunnels and employment centre decentralisation in the North.

Reading between the lines that is the point of this centre and the others in the North, they are not going to build rail infrastructure for this part of Sydney so they want to get as many people working locally as they can.
The planning currently provides for:

- Western Express between Penrith and Wynyard
- PRL between Parramatta and St Leonards via Epping
- NWRL between Rouse Hill and Epping
- SWRL between Lepington and Glenfield
- Southern Sydney Freight line
- Northern Sydney Freight line (maybe)
- Many more buses
- Inner west Light rail

That is it for rail other than completing clearways. The planning shows this. As a sort of rough guideline it seems as though they are providing for South and South Western folk working in the CBD or Parramatta and eventually Macquarie Park, Northern Sydney folk working in Chatswood, North Sydney, Macquarie Park and eventually French's Forrest and Western folk are being well catered for to work anywhere.

The planned development on the beaches is getting a bit of air time:

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/residents-set-to-pack-hall-at-forest-as-hi-rise-meeting/

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/speak-up-on-homes-plan-stokes-urges/

I would imagine this would be the common thing in the North on the back of Ku-Ring-gai, people look at what happened there and will probably fight even more so its not repeated in their patch. Will make it harder for development in the future :(

I've also read through the Manly Daily about the 2036 masterplan for Dee Why which Warringah council want locals to comment on as well.

Today's edition of The Manly Daily (1/2/2011) reports that there are calls for Warringah Council to release their housing strategy following plans to rezone Frenchs Forest.

Pittwater locals will also go off after hearing that the Planning Assessment Commission recommended that there should be more high density units after the approval of the Meriton project for the 8.2ha site next to the Warriewood sewage treatment plant.

450 units will be built on the site.

The mayor doesn't agree with the scale of development taking place in the valley.

Source: The Manly Daily (5/2/2011)

And to follow up on recent rezoning reports, there will be another community meeting at Forest High School next Wednesday (Feb 16) at 7:45pm.

Seven News Report on Frenchs Forest (11/2/2011)

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As for the buildings proposed, they need to be at least double the height to rival North Sydney and Chatswood.

Yesterday's edition of The Manly Daily (22/2/2011) is reporting that the Manly Sea Eagles want to move their NRL games to Manly Oval citing disputs with Warringah Council over upgrades to Brookvale Oval.

The team is planning to discuss building new grandstands to accomodate supporters at Manly.

the FF hospital proposal is not unexpected at all, SHOROC the body founded by Mosman, Manly, Warringah and Pittwater Councils has been pushing for this proposal for a while now. Again the biggest problem I see is the location and the its close proximity to Chatswood. I much rather see development at Manly Vale, Brookvale and Dee Why, warringah mall is already a powerhouse and it makes sence to direct investment around it, rather than up the hill on the plateau. I am concerned that once all this goes ahead there will be zero chances of Mosman getting underground rail :(

I think Warringah Council want to keep the area around Warringah Mall light industrial. I do believe that they need to keep hospital services at Manly and Mona Vale given the spread of the population on the peninsula but also transport access. Frenchs Forest needs more bus services, particularly local services for a start. Many parts of the northern beaches are not connected at all to Frenchs Forest.

The Dee Why to Chatswood line will have to be built in the long run.

Which will ensure I miss out on underground rail along military road :(

We can still build it to Spit Junction. Metrolines don't have to go too far.

I want it to the beaches ... so i can happily go to the beach and not deal with 2 hours worth of traffic just getting to freshie or warringah mall.

I'm sure it doesn't take two hours to drive over Middle Harbour to the peninsula. I thought it took 15-20 minutes in traffic to drive there from Mosman.

It's taken me 1 hour to drive from Mosman to Cremorne one afternoon I decided not to use the back streets. 1 hour to travel just over a kilometre.

Have you even seen the problems with traffic congestion up around the Sydney Road intersection and down to Condamine, let;s travel in an 80 zone at 0km/h. The merging of lanes to the Spit bridge and up Spit Road is abominable some days. The traffic can be bumper to bumper and often crawls along at a snail's pace.

I have seen it get worse over the years. I don't travel to the area as much as I used to but there has always been the congestion southbound on Spit Road at Mosman. I didn't think it was that bad.

Did you read in The Mosman Daily about Liberal plans relating to the Middle Harbour Crossing yesterday?

It does make wise sense to have some commercial development at Brookvale given Pittwater Rd is served by frequent buses from all over the Peninsula.

I checked out Dee Why Grand yesterday. It is not that bad when you look at it. The shopping centre is quite good too especially compared with some of the other ones in nearby streets.

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the FF hospital proposal is not unexpected at all, SHOROC the body founded by Mosman, Manly, Warringah and Pittwater Councils has been pushing for this proposal for a while now. Again the biggest problem I see is the location and the its close proximity to Chatswood. I much rather see development at Manly Vale, Brookvale and Dee Why, warringah mall is already a powerhouse and it makes sence to direct investment around it, rather than up the hill on the plateau. I am concerned that once all this goes ahead there will be zero chances of Mosman getting underground rail :(

I think I would rather see major development in the Brookvale area rather than Frenches Forrest. You can still have some development here along with the Hospital and it could be well serviced by a proper bus link via the Roseville bridge route with some enhancements. Really you should then have the rail go via Military rd to Dee Why as you would like but despite what you say, the locals wont have it. The Liberals bus tunnel wont get up either. IMO the closest you would get would be a shorter Metro style trunk from North Sydney with a Bus interchange. The thing with this is that you can still extend the line in the future if the option becomes available.

Brookvale is lowrise at the moment, but the tough part will be getting the industrial firms to move out, but where do you send them without moving them out of the area altogether.

There is a site on Pittwater Road that has been lying dead for a few years now directly opposite Warringah Mall. Something useful needs to be built there.

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Meriton has indicated to The Manly Daily today (10/3/2011) that they want to also build another project in the Warriewood Valley.

Harry T just seems to love that part of Sydney.

Greens voice traffic fears

Elections9 Mar 11 @ 04:30pm by Carleen Frost


THE Greens have taken their objection to the planned Frenchs Forest hospital to the streets, protesting during the busy morning peak period on Tuesday.

Local State Election candidates staged a small rally at the proposed hospital site in Warringah Rd to warn motorists of the traffic problems the proposed site could create.

Wakehurst Greens hopeful Conny Harris said it was an important demonstration. She declared the already gridlocked Warringah Rd would be much worse if a hospital was built at Frenchs Forest and the size of the demonstration was effective.

“It’s not a matter where we need hundreds of people there,” she said.

“We felt we got the message across which was quite important.

“It was mainly to alert people that they were in the traffic, which was at its best creeping, and that’s only going to get worse.”

Last month, the Greens lodged an official submission to the Planning Department outlining their concerns that a hospital at the site was “not sensible or rational”.

They have worries about traffic, the environment and believe Mona Vale and Manly hospitals should be upgraded before a new one is built.

Pittwater candidate Jonathan King said the party wanted plans for the new hospital dropped immediately.

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/greens-voice-traffic-fears/

I found the comments section quite interesting.

Brookvale is lowrise at the moment, but the tough part will be getting the industrial firms to move out, but where do you send them without moving them out of the area altogether.

There is a site on Pittwater Road that has been lying dead for a few years now directly opposite Warringah Mall. Something useful needs to be built there.

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lol at the thai massage sign, so seedy...

Westfield Chatswood & Chatswood Chase Shopping Centre at Chatswood have joined the NIMBY's protesting higher density development at Frenchs Forest - Why? Loss of trade and will affect any expansion plans. Both will lodge objections with Planning NSW.

Source: The Manly Daily (16/3/2011)

Ah, free enterprise at its moral best, eh?

Westfield like to be NIMBY's whenever any retail development is proposed, even ones that won't threaten their centres. It has happened with East Quarter at Hurstville where the retail component was scaled down because of their objections.

If Westfield are that worried, why aren't they considering building their own centre at Frenchs Forest. They also have a stake at Warringah Mall nearby, but if they are so concerned why aren't they acting proactive.

As we know Westfield cannot cope when the NIMBY's pester them.

Meriton have unveiled their plans for a new development in the Warriewood Valley. It is at 23-27 Warriewood Rd with 305 apartments spread over eight buildings. The buildings range from three to five storeys.

Source: The Manly Daily (18/3/2011)

John Cunningham, the vice-president of the NSW Real Estate Institute has attacked those opposing at Frenchs Forest in Sydney's north that object to the proposed rezoning of the suburb for highrise as "NIMBY's" .

He branded the plans in The Manly Daily (23/3/2011) as a "good development" and that "we cannot stick our heads in the sand"

Westfield Chatswood & Chatswood Chase Shopping Centre at Chatswood have joined the NIMBY's protesting higher density development at Frenchs Forest - Why? Loss of trade and will affect any expansion plans. Both will lodge objections with Planning NSW.

Source: The Manly Daily (16/3/2011)

WTF, ultimately all it will do is provide more trade for them. Chatswood Chase also offers a different level of quality in its retail. Stupidity at its best. I alternate between shopping at the mall and chatswood as many people around me also do, this also goes for beaches residents.

Many are in the habit of rotating around their shopping. I would rotate between Westfield Miranda and Hurstville depending on what I need to do.

Chatswood is lucky to have two distinct shopping centres which few parts of Sydney have.

Chatswood Chase won't suffer because it focuses on boutique and upper end shopping.

Council numbers prepare to shrink: mergers up for debate
Council

23 Aug 11 @ 08:00pm by Carleen Frost, Peter Bodkin and Andrew Priestley


MANLY, Pittwater and Warringah councils could be combined with up to four others under an amalgamation proposal that is set to be debated tonight.

A new, independent report has found the northern beaches councils could join with Mosman, Willoughby, Hornsby and Ku-ring-gai to benefit ratepayers through shared services.

It provided a range of options for voluntary amalgamations, including plans for seven, four and three councils to join.

Warringah Council is tonight set to debate whether or not to put the amalgamation proposal out to public consultation.

Mayor Michael Regan said he wanted the public to decide what councils, if any, should merge.

He said shared services, such as the agreement with the Kimbriki Resource Recovery Centre, would be beneficial to the community.

“I don’t necessarily want to pick up the headaches of Pittwater and Manly,” he said.

“But by the same token if the community says we should do it let’s get proactive and do something about it.”

Manly mayor Jean Hay has backed the call for community consultation but suggested it take place at the next local government elections.

“At this stage I certainly would be very apprehensive about getting into bed with Warringah because, until such time they can manage their own affairs, I wouldn’t be comfortable with them getting involved in Manly’s,” she said.

“I do not particularly agree with (mergers) myself, because I believe local government should be local.

“Local government is the grass roots and the closest form of government to the people.”

Pittwater mayor Harvey Rose said he was fiercely opposed to any amalgamation.

“Pittwater has already said that we oppose any amalgamation with any other council,” he said.

“The people can lose contact with their community ... it’s when we start breaking up communities that we start breaking up society,” he said.

http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/councils-prepare-to-shrink/

I've been hearing this on talkback. It should be left to the people to decide if a council merger would work or not.

Larger councils are better though, they make for policy more representative of the whole city, and less of local NIMBYs.

Corsoleil at 8-28 The Corso, Manly
6 storey apartment building with Coles and 7 speciality shops
Under construction

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Corsoleil at 8-28 The Corso, Manly
6 storey apartment building with Coles and 7 speciality shops
Under construction

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i love manly and this will just make it better!

wasn't that coles renovated just a while back?

That development above is ghastly. A new Coles will not go astray but they could have made the development far more appealing from an aesthetic standpoint.

Is that the Coles that still had the old freezers and 60's layout even until recent times?

Also it has been on the cards for sometime - http://manly-daily.whereilive.com.au/news/story/the-corsos-60-new-apartments-and-a-bigger-coles-too/

my son and i swam the Cole classic yesterday at manly/shelley beach.
great day.i did ok in my age group 37th from 155.
my son won his race with record time.
pic with kids race with manly skyline.
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And a skyline that hasn't changed for decades. :(

The Daily Telegraph (24/8/2012): One of the mayoral candidates for Manly Council wants the former ocean pool at Manly Cove to be rebuilt.

I want to bump up the thread now we have the nine storey building planned for Manly.

The Manly Daily (2/2/2013): It is being suggested that Royal Far West consider co locating to the adjoining Manly Village School.

^^
Could be a great development for Manly - hotel, apartments, retail and school
Complex development with so many inputs! Taking a long time.


feb 2 2013 - manly daily

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The Manly Daily (16/2/2013): Concept Plan recommended for approval. :) There will be a community meeting organised by the Planning Assessment Commission for Monday in Manly. Local MP Mike Baird (Manly & State Treasurer) is calling for rejection of the plan.

7.30 NSW Report on the redevelopment (15/2/2013).

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The Manly Daily (20/4/2013): The concept plan was...

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That's great so it was approved at full height?

good news!

hotel scaled down to 8 levels from 9....


THE Royal Far West has got the go-ahead from the Planning Assessment Commission to redevelop its beachfront site in Manly.

MANLY DAILY APRIL 19

The commission approved the charity's controversial concept plans on Thursday, to build two towers of eight and six storeys including retail, residential and hotel accommodation.

But Royal Far West chief executive officer Lindsay Cane said the charity would not act on the approval straight away.

"We will now begin a 12- to 18-month planning and consultation phase that will include a review of the overall plan and design," Ms Cane said.

She would welcome ideas about the future development. "If we have a choice, we do not wish to sell any of our land," she said.

The Far West will have to lodge a development application with Manly Council for approval for any future works and get approval from the Department of Education, which owns part of the site.

So far the Royal Far West's plans have met with opposition, a fact that the commission tried to address in additional conditions.

The charity sought approval for a nine-storey hotel complex but the commission scaled this down to eight storeys to improve "unacceptable shadow impacts on Manly Beach".

It also set the site's use as being for "visitor and tourist accommodation'' and not a "hotel", to make it clear that the use allowed was primarily for accommodation.

A commission spokeswoman said this was to distinguish the ``hotel'' use from that of a pub and address concerns about social impacts of a licensed premises near Manly Village Public School.

The commission has further strengthened this, with a new condition that stipulates: ``future applications for the site shall not provide for the sale of liquor other than to service venues located on the site.''

The development includes basement car parking for 184 cars and the retention of Drummond House and Victoria Parade terraces.

Manly MP Mike Baird, who requested the commission defer its decision to allow for more community consultation, said he was disappointed but would continue to fight to ensure concerns were addressed.

APPROVED:

Eight-storey hotel tower
Six-storey tower for new Royal Far West centre
Five-storey building including four-storey residential flat building and retail
podium level

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/northern-beaches/royal-far-west-gets-go-ahead-to-develop-site-in-manly/story-fngr8hax-1226624624083

Disappointed about the one floor reduction but still a good outcome.

Yay 8 story in Manly!

It is a miracle to get anything of that height built in Manly these days.

Site photos taken by me.

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On an unrelated note, I had a look around Manly recently on Google Maps and on North Head i've noticed a number of houses which appear to be 1960s housing commission homes. There's two clusters of them, one just past Manly Hospital and another near the entrance to the old Quarantine Station. Can anyone shed some light on them?

On an unrelated note, I had a look around Manly recently on Google Maps and on North Head i've noticed a number of houses which appear to be 1960s housing commission homes. There's two clusters of them, one just past Manly Hospital and another near the entrance to the old Quarantine Station. Can anyone shed some light on them?


Part of the old Military barracks?

At last a decision on the hospital, and lets hope it really does happen...:banana:

Northern beaches to get new hospital
From: AAP May 02, 2013 2:13PM


A PRIVATELY run hospital will be built on Sydney's northern beaches in what the state government has described as a "totally new model" for healthcare in NSW.

The O'Farrell government on Thursday called for expressions of interest for the 423-bed Northern Beaches Hospital, which will be designed, constructed, operated and maintained by a private sector operator.

The hospital, to be built at Frenchs Forest, will provide a mix of public and private services and will be run by an operator "with a proven record", Health Minister Jillian Skinner said.

Construction will begin on the hospital in 2015 and it will take patients from 2018, with ownership reverting to the state after 20 years.

"It is a totally new model for NSW. It is based on successful operations such as Joondalup in Western Australia," Ms Skinner told reporters.

"This is a private operator proposal that will bring investment from the private and not-for-profit sector so that it means we get greater value for money for the state and for the residents of the northern beaches."


She said acute services would be relocated from Mona Vale Hospital, which would be redeveloped to provide complimentary health services.

Ms Skinner said the new hospital would provide the same number of public beds currently available at Mona Vale and Manly, while doubling the number of private beds.

Manly Hospital would close when the new hospital opened, she said.

Treasurer Mike Baird, who appeared alongside Ms Skinner, said the land freed up by the closure of Manly Hospital would not be sold for apartments.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/northern-beaches-to-get-new-hospital/story-fn3dxiwe-1226633881486

Locals will not like the idea even though the region will have more centralised operations. A bit disappointed that the new hospital will not actually offer more beds than what is available at Manly and Mona Vale at present. You might as well keep Mona Vale at its current level.

And with the Manly Hospital site, I think a private operator could possibly run a hospital there.

Typical NSW planning. A great big project with no provision for transport. Lets hope this new health precinct will be a catalyst for a light rail line from Chatswood to Dee Why .

Or even better a heavy rail line.

7.30 NSW (3/5/2013): NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner outlines some details relating to the new hospital.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/nsw-health-minister-outlines-new-hospital-plans/4669160

Or even better a heavy rail line.

Heavy or light one would think. The logical alignment would be a line over the bridge from the tram tunnels of Wynyard up the middle or to the side of the Warringah expressway, under Military road, over the spit via a bridge and then up pittwatter Rd to Dee Why and then along Warringah road to Forestville, over the the Roseville bridge and onto Chatwood. Most of it would be easy engineering and only require the center medium strip of the road. The only difficult bits would be Military Rd, The Spit and the approaches to Chatswood.