Master plan to revamp public transport



By CHOW HOW BAN




THE Government is now finalising a master plan to restructure the public transport system in the Klang Valley.

It is learnt that a committee spearheaded by the Transport Ministry, with the involvement of the Works and Federal Territories ministries, has been given the task of working out a way to effectively implement the plan.

Federal Territories Ministry parliamentary secretary Yew Teong Look said the final draft of the master plan was completed last month but was being revised.

“It was a directive from the Cabinet to ensure the public transport system in Kuala Lumpur was in line with the city's pursuit to be a world-class city,” he said.

Among the measures to be taken to improve public transport are integrating the different systems with walkways and escalators, introducing a common ticket and changing legislation to provide for an urban transport authority.

Last month, Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy was quoted as saying that the Government had started to draft a Bill to enable the setting up of the Urban Transportation Authority, which would place enforcement and monitoring activities under a central body.

It was also announced that a corporation would be set up to take over all public transport services in the Klang Valley.

Meanwhile, Subang Jaya assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng hoped that the committee's study on an integrated public transport system would be extended to areas like Subang Jaya, Puchong and Shah Alam.

He suggested that the light rail transit system be extended to reduce traffic congestion in Kuala Lumpur.

“The Starline should be extended from Bukit Jalil to Puchong and Subang Jaya and end at Shah Alam.

“Meanwhile, the Putraline should be extended from Kelana Jaya to Glenmarie and share the last station with Starline in Shah Alam so that it will form a loop,” he said recently.

In response to complaints of the lack of Putraline and Starline feeder buses from residential areas to LRT stations, Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd corporate communications senior manager Katherine Chew said it was necessary to study how congested the areas were.

“Our customers in Subang Jaya used to wait for 15 minutes to catch a feeder bus but now they have to wait longer due to traffic jam.

“We have received a lot of feedback from our customers and have studied the routes.

“We avoid routes which have fewer people using our services so that we can shorten the travelling time. But still, the traffic jam from Subang Jaya and Sunway Pyramid to the Kelana Jaya Putraline station is just too heavy,” she said.

“For other areas, we always try to improve the routes so that the loop from LRT stations to the respective residential areas is shortened.

“It is difficult to follow a timetable because of traffic jam and the availability of buses which sometimes break down,” she added.


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star and putra trains are the same?? they can go on each other's tracks??

star and putra trains are the same?? they can go on each other's tracks??


Nolah....why you asked? :?

I would love to see Starline and Putraline converged in Shah Alam! It would create a very well-used loop that would be heavily utilised by commuters at Bukit Jalil, Bandar Kinrara, Puchong, Shah Alam and USJ! :okay:

Hope they start feasibility studies soon! :D

Nolah....why you asked? :?

when they said loop i thought the putraline and starline will go on each other's tracks he he he...... :bash:

when they said loop i thought the putraline and starline will go on each other's tracks he he he...... :bash:


aiyohhhhh!!!!! :bash: :bash: :bash:

Haha :D

Anyway, wont merging all the operators into one result in a gigantic monopoly?

The Star: 27th July 2004

KUALA LUMPUR: A proposed public transport masterplan for the Klang Valley will see a 500km rail-based transit network being built in the country's most developed region.

The network, which should be fully developed by 2020, promises to address many longstanding problems faced by public transport users such as poor connectivity between different train services, unreliable bus services and the lack of a common ticket for all systems.

It would have 380 stations, which would place most residents within easy reach of public transport.

Currently, Klang Valley's rail-based network – served by commuter trains, light rail transit and a monorail – is 182km with 110 stations and only covers 48% of the area.

The proposed plan, called the Klang Valley Integrated Public Transport System and Land Use Development Plan, was the result of a study conducted by the Federal Territory and Klang Valley Development Division of the Prime Minister's Department since 2001.

The newly-formed Federal Territories Ministry has now taken over the final stages of the study.

Its minister, Tan Sri Isa Abdul Samad said the plan was at the proposal stage.

“It will be presented to Cabinet for approval and implementation after feedback on the proposal is obtained,” he told reporters after opening a seminar on the proposed plan organised by the ministry here yesterday.

The proposed rail-network would comprise of rail transit lines that would run from suburban areas into the city centre.

These lines would have branch lines outside the city centre to provide greater area coverage.

Each line would not be more than 6km apart while stations on new lines would be placed between 800m to 1km apart.

The plan would also reorganise the bus system by creating regional and feeder buses.

Regional buses would serve people without access to rail-based transit, while feeder buses would cover an area within 3km from a railway or light rail transit station.

A new Klang Valley Public Transport Authority which would come under the Prime Minister's Department would also be created.

The authority would take over ownership of all buses, trains and stations in the Klang Valley.

It would then lease out routes to bus and rail operators, thus taking over the licensing aspect from various government departments and agencies.

It would also introduce a common ticket for all transit systems.

WOW!!! Good news.

The size of the current network is rather impressive already but the population density is not there which makes it less profitable. Have to blame it on the sprawl ;)
Currently I think the bus service should be improved. So far I think the best LRT station bus service is at the Bukit Jalil station.

Any maps of the rail plans?

500km!!? 380 stations!!?

woweee!

Its good news most certainly. Building it over the next 15 years or so should eliminate the density issue I suppose. They have to build more park n ride facilities such as the Kelana Jaya station if they plan to extend the LRTs into Subang Jaya/ USJ/ Puchong. There's almost half a million ppl there.

If indeed the proposal is seen through, with all the other factors pulled in, it should turn out great. I am hoping though, that the areas included would be Subang Jaya, USJ, PJ (missed out areas), Damansara (DU, DJ, and the various other damansaras), Shah Alam, Cheras, Kepong, Klang?

The whole thing sounds rather idealistic, but fingers crossed as they say!

If thats what it takes to achieve efficiency, there should be no problem about monopoly. Especially if things are carried out transparently. I don't think the Malaysian transportation sector runs high on profit anyway.

There is a map of the proposed rail network in The Star today...

Its very comprehensive, covering virtually all cities and suburban areas around the Valley... That means previously "left-out" areas like Subang Jaya, Klang South, PJ Central (SS2-Sec.14 area), PJ North (incl' all the Damansaras), Greater Cheras, and Kepong-Selayang should be linked to the rail network in one way or another...

Btw, the new trains should be in all sorts of forms right, like LRT, monorail, and KTM? Will the proposed bullet-train become a reality then?

Bullet train to where? :)

I think there should also be a suburban "sentral" + longer trains.
Today's Star? I'll go and check at epaper :D

Scan and show please! :bow: :D

From Epaper
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Looks promising. To me it seems that Seremban will join the Klang Valley in less than 20 years. Nilai is going to join soon!

The lines look like tributaries of a river system! :D

Great news! Hope to see more rail development outside the Klang Valley in the other urban centres like Penang and JB as well, and not to mention the inter-city fast speed trains.

The lines look like tributaries of a river system! :D

Huhuhuhuhu :guns1:

There are few lines which I'm able to recognise from the KL Structure Plan 2020, but the others are ..whew!

Based on the map, I wonder how are they going to interchange all the lines. How many times would we have to change trains to get to our destination...? They should keep it less than 3, I hope. And the only way it could be done is to perhaps standardise the type/ technology of these future trains, atleast the viable lines. These trains have to travel on multiple routes and tracks, otherwhise we're in for the same side effects of the present system.

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There are several stations that look like suburban interchanges...

What I can see is Puncak Alam is the one for the north, together with Kuang... KL Sentral remains the hub at the City Center, whilst Kajang will become the new focal point at the south... Putrajaya is also going to become another southern interchange... PJ and Subang Jaya will serve the area just outside KL and at the far west will be Klang...

In the near future, the Valley will swallow up Nilai and Seremban... But not forgetting the rapid development in the areas just outside Putrajaya, such as Putra Perdana (located next to the NSE Central Link and Putrajaya i/c). Sooner or later, these new areas will spread towards the KLIA and then connect with Nilai (east) and Banting (south)...

KL will be like Seoul in the future where half of South Korea people stays in the metro which really boost their economy.

If a bullet train plan is to be conceived,it will be probably start from KL to Ipoh first since KTM traffic is the heaviest between this two cities(Klang Valley and Kinta Valley)

If a bullet train plan is to be conceived,it will be probably start from KL to Ipoh first since KTM traffic is the heaviest between this two cities(Klang Valley and Kinta Valley)
If i'm not mistaken, that was what the Govt was planning during the conceptual stage of the KTM Commuter many years ago...

I hope that got cancelled..the whole journey would take 2 hours.. a bullet non stop bullet train(ok, max 2 stops can do) is more rational.

fabulous news but i hope there won't be too many not-that-important stops that could lengthen the journeys D:

But they've already proceeded with the double electrification line with the the narrow guage standard.Out trains can never exceed the 160km/h mark with these tracks.

I hope in future all the trains run automatically without a driver like the putraline...they should upgrade all the system now...save money...by year 2020..most malaysian would not take driver job..they could rather be a computer operator. we can't depend much on indonesian/philipino labour then.....:p

I hope in future all the trains run automatically without a driver like the putraline...they should upgrade all the system now...save money...by year 2020..most malaysian would not take driver job..they could rather be a computer operator. we can't depend much on indonesian/philipino labour then.....:p
Good point, bob... At least you can also get four views from the train (the two sides, and front & back also) unlike those with drivers...

But seriously, the Govt can save a lot of money if the trains are like Putraline... No need to pay so much salary yearly to these ppl... Just hire more skilled mechanics and voila, the trains can be up and running already!

Rapid KL to take over LRT and bus services


By LEONG SHEN-LI



MOST of Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd (SPNB) staff, including its senior management, are expected to move to Rangkaian Pengangkutan Integrasi Deras KL (Rapid KL), the newly-formed company which will operate Klang Valley’s future integrated public transport system.

Sources familiar with the public transportation revamp in the Klang Valley said this would ensure continuity in the LRT and bus services.

“This allows Rapid KL to inherit the expertise which SPNB has in operating LRT and bus services,” one of them said.

Furthermore, this would be in line with the downsizing of SPNB to fit its future role as asset owner of public transport infrastructure.

SPNB owns and operates Klang Valley’s two light rail transit systems, Putraline and Starline.

It also owns all Intrakota and Cityliner buses, which are still being run by their original operators.

The sources said letters were handed out to SPNB staff last week giving them the option to move to Rapid KL.

Most of the staff in departments directly involved in operations and selected employees from non-operations departments such as human resource and finance were offered the option.

Among those expected to make the move to Rapid KL is SPNB chief executive officer Ridza Abdoh Salleh, who will head the rail transport division of Rapid KL.

The chief operating officer of the company’s bus transport division will be Ali Mohd Nor, formerly from Park May Bhd.

No details are available as to who the chief executive officer of Rapid KL will be.

A company search showed that Rapid KL was registered on July 26 this year with public transport services, general trading and investment holdings as its nature of business.

Among the directors of Rapid KL are Finance Ministry deputy secretary-general Datuk Siti Hadzar Mohd Ismail and principal secretary for the ministry’s co-ordination, privatisation and public enterprise division, Abdul Rahim Mokti.

Services that will not be under Rapid KL’s control are the monorail, KTM Komuter, KLIA Ekspres, KLIA Transit and several bus companies.

Any more kick ass news about this? ;)

Good point, bob... At least you can also get four views from the train (the two sides, and front & back also) unlike those with drivers...

But seriously, the Govt can save a lot of money if the trains are like Putraline... No need to pay so much salary yearly to these ppl... Just hire more skilled mechanics and voila, the trains can be up and running already!
it doesn't work that way - yet. the technology is there, but the putraline is already the longest automated system in the world, which gives you an idea of how rare this is in the world. you have to understand that even though it is automated, there are many people working to make it work - computer people, engineers, etc. Maintenance cost may even be higher, initial outlay definitely more expensive. AND you may not realise this, but i think the trains STILL have drivers, sitting in an office, driving the trains! that's why a year or two ago, a light rail "driver" accidentally crashed his train even though it was "driverless" - i.e. driven remotely from a central place. but in the future, there will be more and more "driverless" systems - that's the way it's moving.

Hmmm... from what I know... Putraline is a fully automated driverless system... but in the case of computer malfunction... they can manually override the system by remotely drive the trains from the control centre or a Putraline personnel can drive the train using the onboard console...

it doesn't work that way - yet. the technology is there, but the putraline is already the longest automated system in the world, which gives you an idea of how rare this is in the world. you have to understand that even though it is automated, there are many people working to make it work - computer people, engineers, etc. Maintenance cost may even be higher, initial outlay definitely more expensive. AND you may not realise this, but i think the trains STILL have drivers, sitting in an office, driving the trains! that's why a year or two ago, a light rail "driver" accidentally crashed his train even though it was "driverless" - i.e. driven remotely from a central place. but in the future, there will be more and more "driverless" systems - that's the way it's moving.


It is no longer the longest driverless system in the world as the title goes to Vancouver's Skytrain 3 years ago ;) It had the same train system as Putraline as both are manufactured by Bombardier of Canada. ANother very long drverless system is Singapore's North East Line which is also longer than Putraline and it is manufactured by Alstorm of France. ;) In fact the entire Singapore's MRT system is automated and the driver is there just to close the doors :D

Such system are very common but they are normally not as long. Most of such systems are usually used as people movers in airports such as Orlando Intl Airport, KLIA and Changi. There are many other more of such systems in airports and also used as metro lines just like Putraline but you need to refer to the Infrastructure forums for more example of driverless systems :D

Like Ijud had mentioned ....... Putraline trains are fully automated - that means it is completely driverless. Yes....the trains' controls could be over-riden and driven manually either from the control centre or thru an on-board console. ;)

Starline is actually more labour-intensive although it might be cheaper initially to set-up as compared with a driverless system. The major plus factor to a driverless system is that when there are insufficient of drivers, the entire system would still be able to function normally. In fact - during extremely peak season like if there's an event at KLCC or something, more trains could be deployed without being limited by the number of drivers.

And with automated control, speed and overrunning a station could be minimised. Since the trains have advanced sensors, potential suicide attempts and accidents on the track wouldn't be fatal (it happened a few times at Bangsar Station before). If it is human-controlled, human reflexes aren't as swift as those of the sensors and or that the human driver could have missed it.

Guys, any info on KTM's ORR (outer rail ring) proposal? :?

^^^ Hmmm....have not heard of it :?


ANyway....to those who wants to know more bout other driverless systems in the world.....check this thread out: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=124469&page=1&pp=20 ;)

Guys, any info on KTM's ORR (outer rail ring) proposal? :?

maybe its another super secret project :lol: