This will hopefully be a shoo-in for SA. Who's going to have the guts to bid against SA in the light of our successful hosting of the 2010 WC?

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SA keen to host showpiece of African soccer
Safa ready to bid for Nations Cup, confident it has a winning case

MNINAWA NTLOKO
Published: 2010/09/29

THE South African Football Association (Safa) will send a letter to the Confederation of African Football (Caf) today announcing SA’s intention to bid for the 2015 African Nations Cup.

Safa president Kirsten Nematandani told Business Day that they did not anticipate any problems from Caf relating to match venues, transport, security and accommodation — the biggest challenges bidders always face — after SA successfully hosted the 2010 Soccer World Cup from June 11 to July 11.

“We are making our intentions very clear that we want to host the African Nations Cup again,” Nematandani said.

“We think that we have a strong case to present to Caf and it would be good for this country following the success of the World Cup.

“We have the facilities and we really would not need to do a lot of work for the event.”

SA hosted the African Nations Cup in 1996 after Kenya, the original hosts of that tournament, failed to meet a series of Caf deadlines.

The Kenyan government had undertaken to build a new stadium in Mombasa as a condition for hosting the tournament. But when Caf finally lost patience after months of inactivity, SA was the main beneficiary and stepped in as a last- minute replacement host.

“Effectively, we have never bid to host the tournament and this will be our first time,” Nematandani said.

“We believe there is no better way to thank Africa for supporting us during the World Cup than to host the Nations Cup in the same match venues. Of course we need the support of our government and we will also be talking to them.”

Nematandani said while Safa was hoping to use most of the facilities that were part of the World Cup, it would not be possible to utilise all of the venues.

While the African Nations Cup is a major tournament, it will make use of fewer facilities than the World Cup did: it has 16 participating nations, as opposed to the 32 that took part in the global showpiece.

“That is why I think that we have to give all the cities a chance and that means they (cities) would have to make bid presentations to become hosts. We cannot use all the venues and it would be fair for us to do it that way,” Nematandani said.

The World Cup was played at Johannesburg’s Soccer City and Ellis Park, Durban’s Moses Mabhida Stadium, Rustenburg’s Royal Bafokeng Sports Palace, Bloemfontein’s Free State Stadium, Pretoria’s Loftus Stadium, Cape Town Stadium in Green Point, Polokwane’s Peter Mokaba Stadium, Mbombela Stadium in Nelspruit and Port Elizabeth’s Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium.

It is unlikely any other country will be brave enough to bid against SA as the above facilities surpass anything on the continent.

More pertinently, Caf will view hosting the event in SA as an opportunity to market a tournament that it desperately wants to elevate to the same level of importance as Uefa’s flagship tournament, the European Championships.

The Safa president said Safa was excited that the African Nations Cup could make use of the Gautrain, which is expected to showcase the nation’s feats.

“It (Gautrain) will have been in operation for some time by 2015 and it should be part of our bid plans for transport,” he said.

Soccer City continued to rake in the awards this week. The host of the World Cup final was announced as the overall winner of this year’s international Leaf Awards for architecture, and the winner in the best public-building category.


ntlokom@bdfm.co.za

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=122262

Now I wonder which cities will make the cut as host cities? Probably only 4-5 will be chosen. The favourites will be JHB (possibly Ellis Park AND Soccer City), DBN, CT, PE, and PTA. However, I would prefer for Nelspruit and Polokwane to be selected ahead of Ellis Park and PTA (Gauteng would get its representative share from Soccer City; the smaller provinces need this more than PTA and Ellis Park), just to make those stadiums more viable although transport logistics would again prove the challenge in those cities.

Safa wants Africa here!
Sep 29, 2010

Mcelwa Nchabeleng

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/incoming/article143663.ece/RESIZED/Small/479042_232787.jpg

THE Africa Cup of Nations could come back to South Africa in 2015. Safa has already made Caf, the continental governing body, aware of its intentions to host Africa's premier football competition.

They sent the letter to Caf's headquarters in Cairo, Egypt's capital city, yesterday.

"Yes, we have put in a request to Caf today (yesterday)," said Safa president Kirsten Nematendani.

The soccer body took the decision at their management meeting in Johannesburg yesterday.

Their decision was influenced by the undisputed success of the 2010 Fifa World Cup.

Nematandani said they wanted to use the Afcon 2015 to say "thank you Africa for making the 2010 World Cup a success story".

"We are still (enjoying) the success of the World Cup and we hope it will be good for us in our bid to host the Africa Cup of Nations.

"There will be no question of infrastructure because it is here, accommodation is here.

"There will be no question of transport because it is here, world-class stadiums are here too. We have everything.

"We are going to update the government about this development," the Safa president said.

In 1996 South Africa became the first country from Southern Africa to host the Afcon without bidding for it.

The 1996 tournament was initially billed for Kenya but Caf decided on South Africa because the east African country was not ready to host the event.

If they succeed in hosting 2015, South Africa will become the first country from the region to host the tournament twice.

The next edition of the tournament will be co-hosted by Gabon and Equatorial Guinea in 2012 - and in 2013 it will be held in Libya as the tournament switches to odd-numbered years.

The decision means the Afcon will no longer be held in the same year as the World Cup - one of the reasons given for the repeatedly poor performances of the majority of African teams at the world event.


http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/sport/2010/09/29/safa-wants-africa-here

This is the news i have been waiting for!.............morocco might give south africa a run for their money

^^
yup. morocco will be a strong contender. its going to be an interesting contest if morocco bids. both countries capable of hosting a really good afcon and elevating the status of the tournament. whomever gets it, thankfully, its only a 2 year wait to host it again. maybe morroc0 2015, sa 2017 or vice versa.

Glad to see that SAFA have applied, I was worried that they may miss the deadline. I hope that SAFA have also applied for the 2017 AFCON, as I understand that CAF will appoint both hosts at once.

It looks like Morocco will be our biggest competition. Other countries which I have seen express an ineterest have been Guinea and Botswana.

As for venues, Soccer City is a must. AFCONs normally use 4 venues, but I'd like to see a stretch to 6 for SA. SC, CTS, Moses Mabhida, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Loftus/Royal Bafokeng, and Mbombela/Peter Mokaba. If travel and logistics are a concern, they could host 2 groups at the coast and 2 inland.

What will suck tho is the return of the dreaded vuvuzela...if they win the bid

what do you mean "return"...its always been here and always will be...(evil laugh)

What will suck tho is the return of the dreaded vuvuzela...if they win the bid

You'll be pleased to know that they are a big hit in India (50,000 imported from China; more than 10,000 already sold in Delhi alone) and authorities are hoping they will be blown during the Commonwealth Games...

Vuvuzelas set for Delhi comeback

http://tvnz.co.nz/commonwealth-games/vuvuzelas-set-delhi-comeback-3809313

Revenge of the vuvuzelas

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/29/5199899-revenge-of-the-vuvuzelas?category=sports

50,000 vuvuzelas to keep the spirits high during the event

http://www.hindustantimes.com/50-000-vuvuzelas-to-keep-the-spirits-high-during-the-event/Article1-605400.aspx

Vuvuzelas set to make their presence felt during CWG

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6626832.cms

Vuvuzelas to add to international flavour at Commonwealth Games

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Vuvuzelas-to-add-to-international-flavour-at-Commonwealth-Games/Article1-595378.aspx

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

South africa will ruin the game of football with that vuvuzela, plz its really annoying.

South Africa must be joking! Geeze why can't they just spread things out, now they are looking like greedy England. DRC and Morocco 2015 and 2017.

^^ my thoughts too. Leave it to other smaller countries.

Not Morocco. They're getting ahead of themselves :D
Ghana did Africa proud in the WC. They perhaps or Algeria

Give it to Morrocco. Shame. Morrocco''s failed World Cup bids

1994
1998
2006
2010

Host Cities

1. Johannesburg: Final (1 or 2 venues)
2. Durban
3. Cape Town
4. Pretoria
5. Bloemfontein (Football Culture may see it included)
6. Nelson Mandela Bay (Governnment's choice, no ways are government going to leave PE out)

Optional, given 16 team format:

Nelspruit
Polokwane
Rustenburg

The Afcon bid would actually be quite a bit better than the World Cup ignoring the additional extensive FIFA requirements.

Durban would likely be preparing for the Games in 2015, new trains perhaps ordered before 2015, other venues being built...

Cape Town BRT Inner City ready end 2011. Full Phase 1 ready in 2013/2014. Airport Rail link?

Joburg, Gautrain ready by 2011, BRT further along, Pretoria a definite host city given the "showing off" of the Gautrain.

Mo R,

SA is being very greedy. wants everything on its places.

DRC should host it. (Although, i think Morocco has more chances of hosting it).

DRC is a 2 times Champion, almost a 70 million people and (shame) it never hosted it.

This is our time to host , SA needs to wait 2019.

^^
geez, easy guys.
dont want to really get into defending sa.

if s.a. is "greedy" and drc(or any country) is deserving based on the points you've made then its up to CAF to decide, hence the bidding process. its up to the bidding countries to highlight their cause. its not a forgone conclusion that sa would win the bid. ultimately CAF are the custodians of the values of moving the tournament around etc. not sa.

At some point it should be hosted in SA again. Would CAF give it to Morocco in 2015, if Libya is hosting in 2013? I think CAF should also implement a rotation basis, North, East, Southern, West Africa.

The Afcon bid would actually be quite a bit better than the World Cup ignoring the additional extensive FIFA requirements.

Durban would likely be preparing for the Games in 2015, new trains perhaps ordered before 2015, other venues being built...

Cape Town BRT Inner City ready end 2011. Full Phase 1 ready in 2013/2014. Airport Rail link?

Joburg, Gautrain ready by 2011, BRT further along, Pretoria a definite host city given the "showing off" of the Gautrain.

Bloemfontein, PE would have completed their BRT as per Sbu Ndebele. Bloem would also have completed Intermodal transport by 2011.

Again the hosting of the even by South Africa in 2015 will give others 2 years to work on their infrastructure. The hosting of the tournament by South Africa might "persuade" improve the standard of the tournament.

But if we win the bid to host the tournament, there should be a guarantee from the government and SAFA that they will do everything in their power to gather support of fans to at least 80% of the games. South African companies investing in participating countries should also run competitions and so forth to bring fans into the country.

South Africa must be joking! Geeze why can't they just spread things out, now they are looking like greedy England. DRC and Morocco 2015 and 2017.

Mo R,

SA is being very greedy. wants everything on its places.

DRC should host it. (Although, i think Morocco has more chances of hosting it).

DRC is a 2 times Champion, almost a 70 million people and (shame) it never hosted it.

This is our time to host , SA needs to wait 2019.

SA must not bid? we could hold it any time. Sure let other nations bid too. If CAF wants to spread it around and shares your sentiment then they will not give it to SA. BUT they want to elevate this tournament to a higher level. Running it in tiny Guinea or Botswana or the like is not going to do that one bit. Its like giving the European championships to Liecthenstein.

I agree that Morocco deserves something considering they are perenial bidders and never victors.

SA is the safe, easy economical bid. The fact that the country is bidding shows that we also want to eleavte the tournament

^^
saying sa is the safe and economical option and will elevate the tournament is a little arrogant and ironically, africa and by extension south africa was excluded from hosting the football wc on similar grounds. look what happened then...

Taking the the tournament closer to the level of Euro, would required BOTH South Africa and Morrocco.

Consider perhaps

1. South Africa hosting 2015, easily ready, infrastructure even further ahead than when hosting the World Cup.

2. Then after this you take it to another level, host it in Morrocco, major market, an option for large parts of Africans and non-Africans in Europe.

Or swop it around.

Taking the the tournament closer to the level of Euro, would required BOTH South Africa and Morrocco.

Consider perhaps

1. South Africa hosting 2015, easily ready, infrastructure even further ahead than when hosting the World Cup.

2. Then after this you take it to another level, host it in Morrocco, major market, an option for large parts of Africans and non-Africans in Europe.

Or swop it around.

So what if they give Morocco and South Africa back to back. The quality will go down after 2017 if that happens anyway. Only a few countries are like South Africa and Morocco. 2019 would go to DRC and the "closer to Europe" quality would be pointless. :lol:.

I want DRC to win since they are a very large country and have never hosted. 70 million people in the country, and we see small minnow countries like Libya and Gabon hosting.

So what if they give Morocco and South Africa back to back. The quality will go down after 2017 if that happens anyway. Only a few countries are like South Africa and Morocco. 2019 would go to DRC and the "closer to Europe" quality would be pointless. :lol:.

I want DRC to win since they are a very large country and have never hosted. 70 million people in the country, and we see small minnow countries like Libya and Gabon hosting.

Big Mo is right....i rate the african cup of nations 3rd after copa and european championship.......by 2019 i am sure nigeria's economy will be way better than it is today....and I think nigeria will take up the hosting after that......Africa as a whole will be much better 9 years from now...its not about population jahiem....its about who has the infastructure to host the event...not only stadium...but other miscellaneous shyt.....south africa will easily win this bid....its no brainer unless caf have other agendas on their minds.

SA must not bid? we could hold it any time. Sure let other nations bid too.

If CAF wants to spread it around and shares your sentiment then they will not give it to SA. BUT they want to elevate this tournament to a higher level. Running it in tiny Guinea or Botswana or the like is not going to do that one bit. Its like giving the European championships to Liecthenstein.


SA reserve the rights to bid, don't get me wrong. Just saying it shouldn't since it has just hosted the WC and 14 years ago it hosted this tournament . There an older host Morocco (1988) and a potential host that never hosted (DRC).

I don't understand how SA hosting ACN will elevate the tournament higher than where it is. (Is it because it just hosted a successful WC and has showcaes the world what the continent is capable of?)

I think having ACN is already getting attention of EU due to large number of best Africa's best players that play a critical role in EU leagues.

I understand that you only want big nations to be the ones that should host ACN.

I agree that Morocco deserves something considering they are perenial bidders and never victors.

This will actually be the first time Morocco bids for hosting ACN. All other bids have been for the WCs.


SA is the safe, easy economical bid. The fact that the country is bidding shows that we also want to eleavte the tournament
Sorry if i don't understand this part. How is it going to elevate the tournament?

So what if they give Morocco and South Africa back to back. The quality will go down after 2017 if that happens anyway. Only a few countries are like South Africa and Morocco. 2019 would go to DRC and the "closer to Europe" quality would be pointless. :lol:.

I want DRC to win since they are a very large country and have never hosted. 70 million people in the country, and we see small minnow countries like Libya and Gabon hosting.

After that to Spain! :)

SA reserve the rights to bid, don't get me wrong. Just saying it shouldn't since it has just hosted the WC and 14 years ago it hosted this tournament . There an older host Morocco (1988) and a potential host that never hosted (DRC).

I don't understand how SA hosting ACN will elevate the tournament higher than where it is. (Is it because it just hosted a successful WC and has showcaes the world what the continent is capable of?)

I think having ACN is already getting attention of EU due to large number of best Africa's best players that play a critical role in EU leagues.

I understand that you only want big nations to be the ones that should host ACN.



This will actually be the first time Morocco bids for hosting ACN. All other bids have been for the WCs.



Sorry if i don't understand this part. How is it going to elevate the tournament?

Morocco always bid for things and sadly never win, its time they host something to prove they are as good as all the talk they give.

Big nations are the only one's that can host things successfully, especially in poorer nations. Honestly going to tiny countries will make the tournament into a mikey mouse event.

All i am saying and i stick by is that SA is a safe bet in the african context and we have the right to vote. the likelihood of us winning 2015 or 2019 is very high and i doubt caf would disregard a bid.

It would be like an African World Cup! But it should also be more fun with fireworks at venues when goals are scored! and lots of over the top branding by all sorts of sponsors and African companies, and lots more dancers, fire.

Fan walk!

Big Mo is right....i rate the african cup of nations 3rd after copa and european championship.......by 2019 i am sure nigeria's economy will be way better than it is today....and I think nigeria will take up the hosting after that......Africa as a whole will be much better 9 years from now...its not about population jahiem....its about who has the infastructure to host the event...not only stadium...but other miscellaneous shyt.....south africa will easily win this bid....its no brainer unless caf have other agendas on their minds.

No Mo Rush is wrong. Yes if they just keep the African Cup of Nations between South Africa, Morocco and Nigeria the competition would be very high. But that's impossible, sonner or later countries like Mali, Togo, Niger and the DRC will host and it would fall right back down.

As much as I'd like to see it in SA I think it would be nice to spread things out a bit and have it somewhere else. But if Libya is 2013 then I'd like to see it in southern africa. How about a joint bid by the smaller countries? A Botswana/Namibia/Swaziland/Lesotho bid would give those countries the chance to be a part of hosting a big event.

No Mo Rush is wrong. Yes if they just keep the African Cup of Nations between South Africa, Morocco and Nigeria the competition would be very high. But that's impossible, sonner or later countries like Mali, Togo, Niger and the DRC will host and it would fall right back down.

Mali hosted not too long ago, was it 2002?
Angola hosted this year.
Going to Gabon/Eq Guinea next.

On the other hand it can't just be hosted by smaller countries again, maybe now and then the bigger nations should host as well...it's luckily hosted every 2 years, so sooner or later many countries would have had the opportunity and at some point it will have to happen that countries start hosting more than once...there is only 53 countries on the continent. I also believe that Eastern/Southern Africa needs a change again...Namibia/Botswana ; Mozambique, Tanzania, Madagascar.

It would be like an African World Cup! But it should also be more fun with fireworks at venues when goals are scored! and lots of over the top branding by all sorts of sponsors and African companies, and lots more dancers, fire.

Fan walk!
Thank you Mo, thank you. I would like to see CAF creating the vibe that the IPL guys created when it was hosted in SA the first time.

No Mo Rush is wrong. Yes if they just keep the African Cup of Nations between South Africa, Morocco and Nigeria the competition would be very high. But that's impossible, sonner or later countries like Mali, Togo, Niger and the DRC will host and it would fall right back down.

Countries like Mali etc. shouldn't be hosting this large of an event without being ready. Angola can be considered as being large and ready enough yet it has major issues.

Countries like Mali etc. shouldn't be hosting this large of an event without being ready. Angola can be considered as being large and ready enough yet it has major issues.

Let's not forget the attack on the Togolese team when Angola hosted recently, which almost wrecked the tournament. Some countries need to get their security issues sorted out before they can host major event.

Lmao at the "greedy" comments. The last time I checked, we were bidding for the games, not merely taking the right to host. If the event authorities want to spread the tournament out a bit, then they can do that, but if they don't, we'd be stupid not to put ourselves out there as potential hosts.

No Mo Rush is wrong. Yes if they just keep the African Cup of Nations between South Africa, Morocco and Nigeria the competition would be very high. But that's impossible, sonner or later countries like Mali, Togo, Niger and the DRC will host and it would fall right back down.
Please don't include DRC in that league , when it comes to Football, most countries South of Sahara are behind DRC on attendance . and more successful than those countries you mentioned (both nationally and Club wise).

Be it in African's Champion's league or domestic leagues. Only SA can has high attendance than DRC. and if our economy was good, we could have higher .

Lmao at the "greedy" comments. The last time I checked, we were bidding for the games, not merely taking the right to host. If the event authorities want to spread the tournament out a bit, then they can do that, but if they don't, we'd be stupid not to put ourselves out there as potential hosts.

when it comes to sports...lydon plz dont leave a comment cuz u know nothing about sports..but to troll.....

Morocco always bid for things and sadly never win, its time they host something to prove they are as good as all the talk they give.

Morocco never bids for ACN, only WCs, this is their first ACN bid (if not mistaken ) the one they hosted in 1988 was because Zambia was not able to.

I know they have more chances of hosting , though.

Big nations are the only one's that can host things successfully, especially in poorer nations. Honestly going to tiny countries will make the tournament into a mikey mouse event.

I agree with you on small countries.

But on poor countries side, DRC is poor, but South of Sahara, ONLY SA has high attendance than DRC (of course due to better economy).
Be it in CAF Champion's league or Domestic leagues.

All i am saying and i stick by is that SA is a safe bet in the african context and we have the right to vote. the likelihood of us winning 2015 or 2019 is very high and i doubt caf would disregard a bid.

I don't doubt either. It was my personal views by saying SA doesn't need or shouldn't host (because i know it will most likely win the bids) and that means no chance for DRC that never hosted the event before.

I don't know why some SAns think DRC would end like Angola with very poor attendance. Like i said, no country other than SA South of Sahara that matches DRC's Africa Champion's League or domestic league attendance, i can prove that over and over. And considering facts that DRC never hosted the event, it will be electrifying.

So where re the DRC's venues? Transport? International list of previous sports events?

Why not start out small as South Africa did?

its about time for SA to bid for Africa cup....
Maybe it will significantly improve the tournament's standard.

I WOULD support Nelspruit's bid in the event the world cup comes down south. in fact Polokwane, Nelspruit, Joburg and Rustenburg should be enough. Pretoria is not really a soccer crazy place and the best teams and soccer support has always been from the northern part of the country plus KwaZulu-Natal.

So where re the DRC's venues? Transport?
3 (20,000 seater) stadiums would be built along side other needed infrastructures.

SA didn't have all that was required to host , it had to build new and up grade others venues, as well as build and upgrade other transports and

International list of previous sports events?
This is the first DRC bid . we don't need a list of of events to host it.

We have a good Football league and it attendance is higher than all South of Sahara countries (with exception of SA and thats because our economy isn't strong).

One of the most successful Clubs in Continental Leagues. with attendances that are higher.

Why not start out small as South Africa did?
Its a Continental Cup of Nations. Start small how?

I don't think there is smaller than this.

When South Africa hosted, it didn't build anything new and did not use all of its venues i.e. excluding 3 40,000 seat venues in Cape Town, Pretoria and Johannesburg.


The fact that DRC has to start building 3 of the 4 venues, means there is still much other work to do as well.

Host Cities & Venues

Johannesburg Soccer City 80,000


http://www.gilesridley.com/shop/images/FNBStadium01Big.jpg


Durban Kings Park Stadium 52,000

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/346807.jpg

Bloemfontein Free State Stadium 36,000


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Port Elizabeth EPRU Stadium 33,852

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/port_elizabeth_eprfu1.jpg

These venues were not used for AFCON

Ellis Park 60,000
http://www.gilesridley.com/shop/images/EllisPark03SAvBrazil%20copy.jpg

Newlands 50,000
http://www.gilesridley.com/shop/images/Newlands-04.CurrieCupFinal2.jpg.jpg

Loftus 49,000

http://www.gilesridley.com/shop/images/LoftusVfrNEnd.jpg

Olympia Park

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/rustenburg_olympia.jpg

Johannesburg Stadium

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/johannesburg_stadium1.jpg

To be fair FS Stadium was built and Kings Park was rebuilt for the RWC in 95. Also wasn't Joburg stadium built in 99?

Apart from Joburg stadium, the remainder of the venues were already there in 1996 and I'll take wild guess and say South Africa's infrastructure in 1996 was still significantly ahead ahead of the DRC's today.

We all know SA already have everything in place, It even doesn't have to do any work at all.

CAF doesn't care if one already have most of the required Venue infrastructures .

Ask around they will tell you.

DRC on the other hand has a lot to do.

On venues side, 2-3 new stadiums ( The new TP Mazembe stadium under construction as we speak will be ready in 2012). That reduces deficit from 3 to 2. Unless a new will have to be build .

DRC has no chance against SA or Morocco. I know that, but what i think is the only chance is fact that it would be the first time host.

It would be ok if we could host 2017. But again both SA and Morocco are candidates for both. Even though i would like DRC to host 2015.

Morocco needs that 2015 if it wants to host the 2026 WC ! DRC should wait for 2017, cuz it's not ready enough...

;64733153']Morocco needs that 2015 if it wants to host the 2026 WC ! DRC should wait for 2017, cuz it's not ready enough...


It's Ok if DRC get 2017. as long as its one them. SA can wait 2019.

Apart from Joburg stadium, the remainder of the venues were already there in 1996 and I'll take wild guess and say South Africa's infrastructure in 1996 was still significantly ahead ahead of the DRC's today.

Thats not even a question . who doesn't know about SA's pre WC status?


Facts are that DRC is not like Angola that built World Class Stadiums , but they were like Sahara desert. Whats the point of spending that much money on Stadiums when they come up to be empty?

And worst now they are White Elephants as we speak. Just take a look.http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8713845.stm.

They can't even fill the Stadium whne their own National team is playing.

This is impossible in DRC, the National Team plays , be it in Champions League or National National team playing for CAN qualifying games . That's unheard of in DRC.

DRC does even fill up 100,000 fans in an 80,000 seater stadia for just a qualifying game. Almost every Congolese qualifying game is sold out; Thats not possible in most african countries.


So why compare DRC to these little chickens unable to even attend their own National team's game?

The thing I dislike about this tournament is that its held every 2 years why cant it be held every 4 in between world cups I really feel it doesnt help the african teams perfomances at world cups.

The thing I dislike about this tournament is that its held every 2 years why cant it be held every 4 in between world cups I really feel it doesnt help the african teams perfomances at world cups.

I thing the more international tournaments you play the better you become.

The thing I dislike about this tournament is that its held every 2 years why cant it be held every 4 in between world cups I really feel it doesnt help the african teams perfomances at world cups.

Well, it's quite a tradition to be every 2 years, it actually started before the European Championships did. The fact that Africa didn't send many teams to World Cups may have been a factor.

CAF's reason is that it helps to speed up building stadiums in host countries.

Well, it's quite a tradition to be every 2 years, it actually started before the European Championships did. The fact that Africa didn't send many teams to World Cups may have been a factor.

CAF's reason is that it helps to speed up building stadiums in host countries.

It also helps Africans teams get ready for WC.

its about time for SA to bid for Africa cup....
Maybe it will significantly improve the tournament's standard.

I WOULD support Nelspruit's bid in the event the world cup comes down south. in fact Polokwane, Nelspruit, Joburg and Rustenburg should be enough. Pretoria is not really a soccer crazy place and the best teams and soccer support has always been from the northern part of the country plus KwaZulu-Natal.

Pta has two of the best and most consistent clubs in SA and the crowds aren't bad either, so that statement to me doesn't hold any water. I know the city is known as blue bull country, but that doesn't diminish the enthusiasm for soccer. I do however understand the argument, that nelspruit and polokwane should get some games, since gauteng has soccer city already.

Pta has two of the best and most consistent clubs in SA and the crowds aren't bad either, so that statement to me doesn't hold any water. I know the city is known as blue bull country, but that doesn't diminish the enthusiasm for soccer. I do however understand the argument, that nelspruit and polokwane should get some games, since gauteng has soccer city already.

Loftus will likely be in, since they want to show off the Gautrain's Joburg to Pretoria line. They could go all northen venues, Soccer City, Loftus, Royal Bafokeng Stadium, Mbombela and Peter Mokaba.

However, I'd prefer, Soccer City, Loftus, Royal Bafokeng/Mbombela and CTS Moses Mabhida, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium/Free State Stadium.

If cost is an issue they could host 2 pools inland and 2 at the coast.

Loftus will likely be in, since they want to show off the Gautrain's Joburg to Pretoria line. They could go all northen venues, Soccer City, Loftus, Royal Bafokeng Stadium, Mbombela and Peter Mokaba.

However, I'd prefer, Soccer City, Loftus, Royal Bafokeng/Mbombela and CTS Moses Mabhida, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium/Free State Stadium.

If cost is an issue they could host 2 pools inland and 2 at the coast.

Gvt aren't allowed to leave NMB out of it.

Gvt aren't allowed to leave NMB out of it.

Yay for PE. :)

It would be a break from a tradtion if Bloem were left out. They have the only stadium which hosted 1995 RWC, 1996 AFCON, 2009 Confederations Cup and 2010 World Cup matches.

^^ Bloem will never be left out and I mean never.

South Africa must be joking! Geeze why can't they just spread things out, now they are looking like greedy England. DRC and Morocco 2015 and 2017.

being greedy is one thing, already having the infrastructure in place & knowledge of hosting a major event is another. Lets face it. Many African countries dont have it in their budgets to be spending on such events. So for now I reckon only countries that can should bid.

Well, it's quite a tradition to be every 2 years, it actually started before the European Championships did. The fact that Africa didn't send many teams to World Cups may have been a factor.

CAF's reason is that it helps to speed up building stadiums in host countries.


I can see the logic of it helping to improve sporting infastructure and that in the past we didnt have real representation in the WC but I do feel that the tournament can affect teams in the WC not because the international exposure isnt good but because the lack of midseason break doesnt help.

I can see the logic of it helping to improve sporting infastructure and that in the past we didnt have real representation in the WC but I do feel that the tournament can affect teams in the WC not because the international exposure isnt good but because the lack of midseason break doesnt help.

Well season structure is another problem. FIFA actually want the AFCON to be played in June by 2016, which would now mean 2017. If that happens some countries simply couldn't host due to weather problems. SA would still be safe though.

However, it would require the whole CAF calender to move from a January to December structure to a July to June one.

Bostwana & Namibia 2019!!

being greedy is one thing, already having the infrastructure in place & knowledge of hosting a major event is another. Lets face it.

Hosting the WC is ahead of most African countries. But hosting

Many African countries dont have it in their budgets to be spending on such events.
But this is CAN. not the WC or Olympic. Almost anyone can host CAN.

So for now I reckon only countries that can should bid.

CAN is the smallest of events one can host.

Hosting the WC is ahead of most African countries. But hosting


But this is CAN. not the WC or Olympic. Almost anyone can host CAN.



CAN is the smallest of events one can host.

The African Cup of Nations is not the smallest CAF sanctioned tournement. There is the African Nations Championship, for teams made up of home based players only. There is also the Women's Championship, African Youth Championship and African U17 Championship.

The African Cup of Nations is not the smallest CAF sanctioned tournement. There is the African Nations Championship, for teams made up of home based players only.

It wont be small anymore. It being moved to 16 teams just like ACN and it second one will be next year.

What's even funny is that there will be 2 events held in same year since CHAN is held in Odd years.
There is also the Women's Championship, African Youth Championship and African U17 Championship.

Fair enough. But That will be for the small fry nations like Namibia, Bot, Guinnee , Rwanda, Swaziland etc...

For my country. DRC is no a small fry nation in continental Football. ACN is the smallest of event a Football nation like DRC can host. I wont speak for others.

You post is wrong , that only those who are ready with all (Infrastructures , and the know how of hosting events )should bid.

It wont be small anymore. It being moved to 16 teams just like ACN and it second one will be next year.

What's even funny is that there will be 2 events held in same year since CHAN is held in Odd years.


Fair enough. But That will be for the small fry nations like Namibia, Bot, Guinnee , Rwanda, Swaziland etc...

For my country. DRC is no a small fry nation in continental Football. ACN is the smallest of event a Football nation like DRC can host. I wont speak for others.

You post is wrong , that only those who are ready with all (Infrastructures , and the know how of hosting events )should bid.

Let's just back up a bit, I didn't say that. As for the African Championship of Nations, I know that it will have 16 teams, but it's still not as big in glamour terms. I was just trying to point out that their are other events.

I actually forgot to add the regional cups too.

Let's just back up a bit, I didn't say that.
My apologies sir. it was Durboi.


As for the African Championship of Nations, I know that it will have 16 teams, but it's still not as big in glamour terms. I was just trying to point out that their are other events

DRC is just interested in ACN, it never got the opportunity to host it despite being a Champion twice.


I actually forgot to add the regional cups too.
We don't take part in any regional cups. too small and waste of money for DRC. I don't even think any DRC domestic league players will even bother of going there.

In DRC people are just interested in ACN and WC, well, the new CHAN as well.

I don't know people are including DRC in comparison to small football nations. because we beat most african nations when it comes to attendance on continental cups.

If one can't drow big crowds for their leagues, club leagues, then it will be pathetic when they host ACN, which was the case with country like Angola. world class stadiums, but deserted stadiums.

My apologies sir. it was Durboi.




DRC is just interested in ACN, it never got the opportunity to host it despite being a Champion twice.



We don't take part in any regional cups. too small and waste of money for DRC. I don't even think any DRC domestic league players will even bother of going there.

In DRC people are just interested in ACN and WC, well, the new CHAN as well.

I don't know people are including DRC in comparison to small football nations. because we beat most african nations when it comes to attendance on continental cups.

If one can't drow big crowds for their leagues, club leagues, then it will be pathetic when they host ACN, which was the case with country like Angola. world class stadiums, but deserted stadiums.

I think that it's great that the DRC wants to host the AFCON, I was just suggesting that maybe hosting a smaller event first. Does the team not take part in the sub-confederation cups?

I think that it's great that the DRC wants to host the AFCON, I was just suggesting that maybe hosting a smaller event first.
Not a bad idea, but our Football Federation is governed by some potatoe heads.

Does the team not take part in the sub-confederation cups?

No. perhaps the new minister of sports might be interested .

Either way. People are just interested in AFCON, CHAN, anything bellow that, i don't even think they would even bother.

Government has given its backing for AFCON 2015.

DRC should host a junior tournament first, and then re-apply for 2019.

Government has given its backing for AFCON 2015.

DRC should host a junior tournament first, and then re-apply for 2019.


No thanks, not interested in anything bellow AFCON. 2017 is enough time . Although , we have no chance against SA and Morocco.

But the only chance there is , "It will be first time hosting the event". Despite being one of the Continental giants in Football.

The 2 of you have hosted it before.

Its our turn. 2015 or 2017. SA should wait 2019.

Whats makes you the impressions that DRC wont or can be able to organize a successful AFCON for 2015 or 2017?

Host a junior tournament and first gain some credibility.

I have transited through Kinshasa and the airport is definitely not up to international standards. Not even by a very long shot. Passionate crowds aside (that's just one component of a successful hosting of a tournament), what is the state of affairs in Kinshasa and the rest of the country re:

(1) Road infrastructure;
(2) Public transport [road, rail, air, especially between host cities];
(3) Accommodation [for out-of-town domestic and / international supporters];
(4) Safety and Security [let's not forget what happened in Angola during the last Nations Cup; Last time I checked, mass rapes and rebel attacks were still common in many parts of the country. Moreover, what regulatory system applies re: construction standards etc];
(5) Sanitation (amongst others, clean water, sewage, and refuse removal);
(6) Abundant and reliable electricity supply;
(7) Domestic / international sponsorship;
(8) ITC / Communications networks re: broadcasting, fixed line / mobile operators;
(9) Financial viability (GDP per capita is very low in DRC. It doesn't matter if DRC crowds fill stadiums for local matches. AFCON requires financially viable tournaments as measured in foreign currency. That means that ticket prices will have to yield profits, which means that most DRC residents won't be able to afford to attend matches)
(10) Hosting experience re: major events.

Furthermore, what government guarantees have come forward re: financial commitments to support the building of relevant infrastructure, etc.

Unless these issues are meaningfully addressed (vague answers like "they will be addressed in time" are not credible), touted host countries should not host any major events.

Host a junior tournament and first gain some credibility.

Like i said we aren't interested in junior events.

I have transited through Kinshasa and the airport is definitely not up to international standards. Not even by a very long shot.

I know that. but that doesn't mean one can't be built within a span of 3 years.

So did SA had to build and expand , upgrade new massive Airports (including some massive stadiums and Airports).

So did Angola, so Did Ghana. and almost every other host of AFCON, they all got the right to host when they only had half of required infrastructures, (some had less than half) and managed to host it on time.

So, why not DRC?

Passionate crowds aside (that's just one component of a successful hosting of a tournament), what is the state of affairs in Kinshasa and the rest of the country re:

DRC has not hosted a single continental football event. so has many other countries that have hosted AFCON for first time.


(1) Road infrastructure;
(2) Public transport [road, rail, air, especially between host cities];
(3) Accommodation [for out-of-town domestic and / international supporters];

I don't know when was the last time you were in Kinshasa or Lubumbashi, but road infrastructures are being upgraded already as we speak.

Kinshasa and DRC as whole has a very big deficit of Hotels, hence the ridiculous prices almost like Luanda's. DRC has a massive Tourism potential, but never exploited, but investors, both local and foreign are now starting to invest into.

Hence the reason there are some Hotel under construction. Both big and small. More are planned.

So getting the right to host the event will just be a gold mine for Congo's massive potential industry to get up and start running against the big boys.

SA , Angola, Ghana, Tunisia and everyone else built Hotels for the events they held, everyone does built stadias , Hotels, infrastructures so they hold the event.

So, why should words like "Your not ready , you have no stadias, Hotels, infrastructures to host " be exclusive to DRC?

(4) Safety and Security [let's not forget what happened in Angola during the last Nations Cup;Last time I checked, mass rapes and rebel attacks were still common in many parts of the country.

Thats a pure bias, not in most of the country, nor are rebels active in many parts of the country. I think your still thinking of decades ago. have no clues where you get your info.

Angola was stupid enough to including a region that has been unstable for decades. that was the only part of Angola that was and is unstable. they should have known better how Seccessionists think.

Countries such as West Germany had a security problem with the Munich Olympics and had athletes dead despite being a world class country with every single amenity on it plate.

South Africa was being blasted because of the high rate of violence and raped (even though there is no war). But the event was a success.


Besides that, Angola wasn't the first unstable country to host a continental event.

The Notorious rebels, drug cartels and terror bomb infested Colombia hosted Copa-America in 2001.

I understand your concern and point , but DRC wont be first hosting a continental event whilst unstable in a small part of the country.

Moreover, what regulatory system applies re: construction standards etc];
(5) Sanitation (amongst others, clean water, sewage, and refuse removal);
(6) Abundant and reliable electricity supply;

Come on romanSA, this isn't the world cup, its AFCON. your demanding things of WC standards.

Congolese cities selectioned to host aren't terrible as you have imagine them to be.

Lubumbashi City.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=724826

Kinshasa.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=564304



Inside DRC.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1209157

(7) Domestic / international sponsorship;
(8) ITC / Communications networks re: broadcasting, fixed line / mobile operators;[/quote]
Is broadcasting , mobile operators a problem now?

Vodacom Congo, Tigo, Zain, CCT, and (MNT Congo just made it).

They also provide Wifi services , CWN (Congo Wireless Network), ORASCOM amongst.

DRC has over 50 TV channels , some are already digital and the rest are on the way to being all digital system.

We can already view some Channels in EU and US through a decorder.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1120273
http://www.oraotv.com/OTVDIRECT/

All DRC National Football games are broadcasted, they have been broacasting them for over 20 years despite the hell the country has through for this time.

All Champion's league games at home and away are all broadcasted on TV screens in the massive country.

(9) Financial viability (GDP per capita is very low in DRC. It doesn't matter if DRC crowds fill stadiums for local matches.

Well, that means something Plus , doesn't it? With the most passionate fans in SSA africa that fills up stadiums more than those countries that are better than DRC economically?

AFCON requires financially viable tournaments as measured in foreign currency. That means that ticket prices will have to yield profits, which means that most DRC residents won't be able to afford to attend matches)
Lets leave that to the day of the event kick off. But it surely wont empty stadias like Angola.
Angola on the other hand still doesn't have this despite their super spending on super hotels, first class stadias, and massive infrastructures . The locals there are still poor compare to Congolese (Don't let the big budget fool you, look on the ground).. Its been foreigners that have been flooding Luanda and still had empty dry Stadias (This is not a cheap shot on Angolans , but thats a fact).

Nor do i think Ghana which had the best record in AFCON history Attendance in 2008 has more purchasing power than DRC's. Simple because DRC's has a chicken budget and shows a pathetic per capita. doesn't mean that's the reality on the ground.


This is purely 100% Local investments.

Goma City.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=4

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=6

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=8

Bukavu City.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26299214&postcount=20

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26299972&postcount=21

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=674930&page=6



(10) Hosting experience re: major events.
Furthermore, what government guarantees have come forward re: financial commitments to support the building of relevant infrastructure, etc.

relevant infrastructures? such as stadiums? 2 or 3 stadiums of 20,000 seats each will take gigantic financial means?

Unless these issues are meaningfully addressed (vague answers like "they will be addressed in time" are not credible), touted host countries should not host any major events.
That what all africans say (including SA). Europeans , Americans, Asia were all saying samething about SA's readyness . Same was said about Angola.

But now, your saying that about DRC. That very familiar .Not new.

Your very misinformed on where DRC stands . You perhaps think we are bidding to host the WC.

We can go back and forth , be nationalistic, draw conclusions based on misinformed sources , not anyone of us will decided whether DRC will be granted 2015 or 2017. January is coming soon. Lets wait and see. I have provided the info and source of the little DRC has during bidding. as well as info that DRC isn't unique in it situation it's in and what it wants to do.

I know that. but that doesn't mean one can't be built within a span of 3 years.

So did SA had to build and expand , upgrade new massive Airports (including some massive stadiums and Airports).

So did Angola, so Did Ghana. and almost every other host of AFCON, they all got the right to host when they only had half of required infrastructures, (some had less than half) and managed to host it on time.

So, why not DRC?



DRC has not hosted a single continental football event. so has many other countries that have hosted AFCON for first time.


I don't know when was the last time you were in Kinshasa or Lubumbashi, but road infrastructures are being upgraded already as we speak.

Kinshasa and DRC as whole has a very big deficit of Hotels, hence the ridiculous prices almost like Luanda's. DRC has a massive Tourism potential, but never exploited, but investors, both local and foreign are now starting to invest into.

Hence the reason there are some Hotel under construction. Both big and small. More are planned.

So getting the right to host the event will just be a gold mine for Congo's massive potential industry to get up and start running against the big boys.

SA , Angola, Ghana, Tunisia and everyone else built Hotels for the events they held, everyone does built stadias , Hotels, infrastructures so they hold the event.

So, why should words like "Your not ready , you have no stadias, Hotels, infrastructures to host " be exclusive to DRC?



Thats a pure bias, not in most of the country, nor are rebels active in many parts of the country. I think your still thinking of decades ago. have no clues where you get your info.

Angola was stupid enough to including a region that has been unstable for decades. that was the only part of Angola that was and is unstable. they should have known better how Seccessionists think.

Countries such as West Germany had a security problem with the Munich Olympics and had athletes dead despite being a world class country with every single amenity on it plate.

South Africa was being blasted because of the high rate of violence and raped (even though there is no war). But the event was a success.


Besides that, Angola wasn't the first unstable country to host a continental event.

The Notorious rebels, drug cartels and terror bomb infested Colombia hosted Copa-America in 2001.

I understand your concern and point , but DRC wont be first hosting a continental event whilst unstable in a small part of the country.



Come on romanSA, this isn't the world cup, its AFCON. your demanding things of WC standards.

Congolese cities selectioned to host aren't terrible as you have imagine them to be.

Lubumbashi City.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=724826

Kinshasa.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=564304



Inside DRC.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1209157


(8) ITC / Communications networks re: broadcasting, fixed line / mobile operators;
Is broadcasting , mobile operators a problem now?

Vodacom Congo, Tigo, Zain, CCT, and (MNT Congo just made it).

They also provide Wifi services , CWN (Congo Wireless Network), ORASCOM amongst.

DRC has over 50 TV channels , some are already digital and the rest are on the way to being all digital system.

We can already view some Channels in EU and US through a decorder.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1120273
http://www.oraotv.com/OTVDIRECT/

All DRC National Football games are broadcasted, they have been broacasting them for over 20 years despite the hell the country has through for this time.

All Champion's league games at home and away are all broadcasted on TV screens in the massive country.



Well, that means something Plus , doesn't it? With the most passionate fans in SSA africa that fills up stadiums more than those countries that are better than DRC economically?


Lets leave that to the day of the event kick off. But it surely wont empty stadias like Angola.
Angola on the other hand still doesn't have this despite their super spending on super hotels, first class stadias, and massive infrastructures . The locals there are still poor compare to Congolese (Don't let the big budget fool you, look on the ground).. Its been foreigners that have been flooding Luanda and still had empty dry Stadias (This is not a cheap shot on Angolans , but thats a fact).

Nor do i think Ghana which had the best record in AFCON history Attendance in 2008 has more purchasing power than DRC's. Simple because DRC's has a chicken budget and shows a pathetic per capita. doesn't mean that's the reality on the ground.


This is purely 100% Local investments.

Goma City.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=4

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=6

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1193865&page=8

Bukavu City.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26299214&postcount=20

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26299972&postcount=21

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=674930&page=6




relevant infrastructures? such as stadiums? 2 or 3 stadiums of 20,000 seats each will take gigantic financial means?


That what all africans say (including SA). Europeans , Americans, Asia were all saying samething about SA's readyness . Same was said about Angola.

But now, your saying that about DRC. That very familiar .Not new.

Your very misinformed on where DRC stands . You perhaps think we are bidding to host the WC.

I personally think you're being naive if you think that DRC can host an event of this scale in the next 5 years. 10-15 years, perhaps, but 5? Not in my opinion. But that's just *my* opinion. Thankfully, people like me and others on these boards don't make these selections. Unfortunately, all your efforts here are wasted as none of make the decision on who hosts AFCON. Hopefully your country's sports leaders will be able to convince sports authorities to bring it to DRC. Good luck on that front.

Without wanting to dedicate much more time to this thread re: responding to you (let's face it: you will believe what you want to believe and no one will be able to convince you otherwise so it's pointless engaging with you), I do want to respond to some of your response points:

1. Re: hotel infrastructure: DRC currently has very, very poor hotel infrastructure. It will take a virtual miracle to turn this around in 4 years. The world is barely out of a recession and there is too much risk in building thousands of hotel rooms in countries that are unproven / unknown qualities. If you naively think investors are linking up to spend tens of millions in a likely unsustainable / unstable hotel industry over a period of the next 3-4 years then good luck to you in finding them (and the civil engineers to drive such projects). Seriously and with all sincerity: Good luck.

2. Thats a pure bias, not in most of the country, nor are rebels active in many parts of the country. I think your still thinking of decades ago. have no clues where you get your info.

Perhaps you are unaware that some of these atrocities have been making headline news globally these past few weeks. Check out any media source and you'll see where I get my information. For a start, check out: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/08/201082623244629205.html

3. If you think that all the factors I mentioned are setting the bar too high, then you underestimate the demands / standards expected of an international event. Try convincing AFCON that *ANY* of the factors I mentioned are not important or irrelevant and they will laugh in your face. The days of slap-dash hosting of global / regional events are long gone now. If a country wants to play in the big leagues it has to be able to compete / favourably compare to others in the big leagues.

Anyway, this thread is dedicated to SA's bid. I understand you are very passionate about DRC hosting in 2015 but I suggest you make your case for the DRC in a dedicated DRC AFCON Cup 2015 thread in the DRC forum instead of hijacking this one for that purpose. As I said earlier, the SA form members don't make the selection decision so don't need to be convinced of the merits of a DRC bid. For obvious reasons we want to discuss a SA bid.

I personally think you're being naive if you think that DRC can host an event of this scale in the next 5 years. 10-15 years, perhaps, but 5? Not in my opinion. But that's just *my* opinion. Thankfully, people like me and others on these boards don't make these selections. Unfortunately, all your efforts here are wasted as none of make the decision on who hosts AFCON. Hopefully your country's sports leaders will be able to convince sports authorities to bring it to DRC. Good luck on that front.. I'm wasting time because DRC is a bidder.

January will tell who wasted time.

Without wanting to dedicate much more time to this thread re: responding to you (let's face it: you will believe what you want to believe and no one will be able to convince you otherwise so it's pointless engaging with you), I do want to respond to some of your response points:

You shouldn't have wasted you precious time. Nor will i convince you (Just found that out btw).

1. Re: hotel infrastructure: DRC currently has very, very poor hotel infrastructure. It will take a virtual miracle to turn this around in 4 years. The world is barely out of a recession and there is too much risk in building thousands of hotel rooms in countries that are unproven / unknown qualities. If you naively think investors are linking up to spend tens of millions in a likely unsustainable / unstable hotel industry over a period of the next 3-4 years then good luck to you in finding them (and the civil engineers to drive such projects). Seriously and with all sincerity: Good luck.

That what they said about Angola and SA's bid for WC. what did both of you do? didn't you built?

Perhaps you are unaware that some of these atrocities have been making headline news globally these past few weeks. Check out any media source and you'll see where I get my information. For a start, check out: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/08/201082623244629205.html


I'm aware of the hellmates in 2 provinces and half, becomes most or many parts of the nation.

The higher crime sand rapes (atrocities themselves) in Africa's most advanced country in almost every aspect, with no wars of any kind didn't stop SA from gaining the rights to host the world's greatest event. Did you forget what the world media was saying ?

DRC on the other hand isn't bidding for that . Its just a simple

3. If you think that all the factors I mentioned are setting the bar too high, then you underestimate the demands / standards expected of an international event. Try convincing AFCON that *ANY* of the factors I mentioned are not important or irrelevant and they will laugh in your face. The days of slap-dash hosting of global / regional events are long gone now. If a country wants to play in the big leagues it has to be able to compete / favourably compare to others in the big leagues.

I never said that they were not important or relevant.

I just proved that DRC isn't the only or first bidder in history of Football competitions whilst in Unfavorable situation against other bidders.

Anyway, this thread is dedicated to SA's bid. I understand you are very passionate about DRC hosting in 2015 but I suggest you make your case for the DRC in a dedicated DRC AFCON Cup 2015 thread in the DRC forum instead of hijacking this one for that purpose. As I said earlier, the SA form members don't make the selection decision so don't need to be convinced of the merits of a DRC bid.
Just wanted to hear some opinions on this side. Just why they call it bidding.

Nationalism can be funny at time. Thank though. the truth is hard to swallow at times.
For obvious reasons we want to discuss a SA bid.

Thanks for letting me know.

I just leave, (before i start receiving infractions from SA Mods).

Your enthusiasm is wonderful but there's also reality.

Any comparisons to South Africa in 1995 or 2000 is plain wishful.

As I've stated before, start hosting smaller events, and get some sort of track record with smaller or junior events.

The decision to pull out has not been announced officially yet but, according to credible sources, it is just a matter of time.. The CAF officials who were in the DRC to inspect the designated venues for the competition abruptly interrupted their mission and left the country, only two days after their arrival, without having visited any of the venues in the provinces. It is believed that the decision was prompted by the lack of a credible funding plan. Details will be known as soon as it becomes official.

Damn Mo Rush was right, DRC can't handle the little African cup of Nations. Which is a shame for such a big country. And you see countries like Libya, Gabon & Equatorial Guinea hosting.

That should mean the only choice is whether SA gets 2015 or 2017. Morocco will then get the other one. This is assuming something a late bid like Zambia is accepted.

Are we still banging on about DRC? Without being downright rude, there are many other countries in Africa that would stand well ahead of them in any hosting line

That should mean the only choice is whether SA gets 2015 or 2017. Morocco will then get the other one. This is assuming something a late bid like Zambia is accepted.

Zambia srew it they are already late and it's not like it's a country that can do damage against SA or Morocco. As soon as DRC drop out CAF should just award South Africa and Morocco the bid. Some Morocco people might want 2017 so they can show off their high speed rails because it won't be completed by 2015.

^^ We want the new Casablanca's stadium to be ready by 2015, so if it's not possible then we can wait for the 2017 ACN but they said the stadium will be ready by 2015 for the ACN! ;)

The Democratic Republic of Congo has announced its withdrawal from the race to stage either the 2015 or 2017 African Cup of Nations tournament.

Congolese FA president Omari Selemani told BBC Sport that economic and infrastructure problems have forced them to drop out.

Selemani said: "The government has many commitments in the next few years."

He added that the government simply cannot afford the investment that would be required in infrastructure.

A statement on the Confederation of African Football (Caf)'s website said: "The DR Congo communicated their withdrawal in the race for the hosting rights of the two tournaments through correspondence to Caf."

The Congolese won the Nations Cup in 1974 - the year they also qualified for their only World Cup finals - but have never staged Africa's premier tournament.

South Africa and Morocco are now the only bidders for 2015 but the Moroccans have also registered interest for 2017.

Caf will meet early next year to decide who will host the two competitions.

Morocco and South Africa have each hosted the Nations Cup once - in 1988 and 1996 respectively.

The DR Congo have never hosted the African Cup of Nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/9193849.stm

DRC hard luck. But I think they should host 2019 or 2021 at the latest.

Reality hits home.

Morocco has good timing. Since Libya are hosting 2013 then 2015 shouldn't go to Morocco, it would be stupid to have it back in the north (altho der was Tunisia 2004 den Egypt 2006). Now lets say SA gets 2015 and Morocco gets 2017, if the WC 2026 host announcement will be eaelier than 2017, and they choose Morocco, it could provide a test for them to see how 2017 goes. If its later, they should look back if the tournament was a success and consider it. This is if Morocco is considering seriously a bid for 2026. I heard the US, Canada, and a bunch of South American countries are planning to host the 2026 WC and even if they decide it will be in Africa there is Egypt and Ghana to seriously consider as potential rivals.

moved here to continue existing thread

Africa: CAF to Announce 2015 Nations Cup Hosts on 28 January


7 January 2011
The Confederation of African Football (CAF) will on January 28 announce the hosts for the 2015 and 2017 Nations Cup.

The CAF executive committee will announce the Nations Cup hosts prior to the Super Cup match between CAF Champions League winners TP Mazembe and Confederation Cup holders FUS Rabat from Morocco.


The prestigious Super Cup will be played in Lubumbashi. South Africa and Morocco, who have previously hosted the competition are the two countries vying to stage the tournament.
Morocco were the 1988 hosts, while South Africa hosted and won the tournament in 1996. Morocco were champions in 1976.
The biennial Nations Cup will for the second time be jointly hosted by Gabon and Equatorial Guinea in 2012, while Libya will stage the 2013 edition.


Egypt are the defending champions after winning their seventh title in Angola last year.

It doesn't even seem SA cares about this tournament. Why no video or articles from the sports people in charge of this thing? If they put out an article bidding for 2015 they would have an higher chance in getting it.

Did Caf even tour SA's stadiums, they went to Morocco already.

Lets be honest here, we are bidding if we dont get it i really dont think many people will really mind. We'll get 2017 then. The tournament is small fry

^^ let Maroc host it in 20 15 and then we do the 2017 one as Morocco would have set the standard. I think the problem with this tournament is lack of marketing from CAF's side.

^^ let Maroc host it in 20 15 and then we do the 2017 one as Morocco would have set the standard. I think the problem with this tournament is lack of marketing from CAF's side.

I agree that the tournement should be better marketed. Morocco could have the stadiums done in 2015, but their train system will be done later, if they host in 2017 they can use the train system as well. The Gautrain should be fully running by 2015, and our stadiums could convert to 'tournement mode' in a very short space of time.

I agree that the tournement should be better marketed. Morocco could have the stadiums done in 2015, but their train system will be done later, if they host in 2017 they can use the train system as well. The Gautrain should be fully running by 2015, and our stadiums could convert to 'tournement mode' in a very short space of time.

If we host it in 2017, there's high possibility that we will be having the following -

1. New fleet of trains.
2. Pretoria, Polokwane and Bloem would have implemented their BRT systems.
3. Johannesburg CBD would be in better conditions :) .
4. RBH would have progressed with an overhaul of Bafokeng Village.
5. Waterfront in PE would be completed :)

^^ waterfront in PE will have been thought about...we would need to host in 2097 for the waterfront to be ready

South Africa will find out on Friday whether it will host the 2015 African Cup of Nations soccer tournament.

South Africa last hosted the tournament in 1996 when Bafana Bafana were crowned African champions for the first time.

The South African Football Association (Safa) will be banking on the success of the 2010 FIFA World Cup to clinch the latest bid.

South Africa is competing with Morocco to stage the tournament. The last time these two countries went head-to-head was seven years ago when South Africa won the rights to host the first World Cup on African soil.

The Confederation of African Football (CAF) will meet in the Democratic Republic of Congo on Friday to announce the hosts for the 2015 and 2017 tournaments.

South Africa could have the upper hand because of the infrastructure after the 2010 soccer showpiece.

http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=57932

^^ its on saturday not friday

Article messed up.

SA, Morocco in Nations Cup vote
January 28 2011 at 02:00pm


Safa president Kirsten Nematandani is lobbying for votes as Caf sit to choose the hosts of the 2015 and 2017 African Nations Cups.

The 2015 and 2017 African Nations Cup hosts will be decided on Saturday but with the same two candidates vying for both editions, the Confederation of African Football (CAF) will only decide on who gets which year.

Morocco and South Africa are the only countries in the running for the two tournaments after the withdrawal from the race of the Democratic Republic of Congo, leaving the Caf's 15-man committee to select a tournament for each nation to host.

Both have expressed a preference for the 2015 edition and a low-key bidding campaign will culminate in both countries making 30-minute presentations to the executive when they meet in the southern Congolese city of Lubumbashi.

“We obviously want to host the tournament in 2015 so we can sustain some of the momentum from hosting the World Cup,” South African Football Association president Kirsten Nematandani told Reuters.

A statement from Morocco's football federation said they sought the hosting of the Nations Cup sooner rather than later in line with a strategy to “reach a new plateau for our national football and progressively introduce professionalism”.

Morocco and South Africa were engaged in a much fiercer battle for the right to host the 2010 World Cup, which South Africa won 14-10 in a tight vote in Zurich in 2004.

Next year's African Nations Cup finals are being co-hosted by Equatorial Guinea and Gabon. Thereafter, the tournament will be played every odd year with a 2013 tournament already designated to Libya. – Reuters

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/soccer/cup-competitions/sa-morocco-in-nations-cup-vote-1.1018347

African Nation Cup decision postponed
Jan 27, 2011 12:40 PM | By Sapa-AFP

The announcement of the 2015 and 2017 African Nations Cup hosts has been put back 24 hours to Saturday, the organisers said in a statement.

African football governing body CAF said contenders Morocco and South Africa would make presentations on Saturday at a conference centre in the southern Democratic Republic of Congo city Lubumbashi.

Long-serving CAF president Issa Hayatou from Cameroon will then chair an executive committee meeting before revealing the two hosts at a media conference.

With just two candidates and two tournaments, the only apparent unresolved issue is the year that each country will host the showcase of African football first held 54 years ago in Sudan.

But CAF sprang a surprise in Cairo at the announcement of 2010 hosts Angola, choosing Equatorial Guinea and Gabon for 2012 and Libya for 2014 (later changed to 2013) at the same time.

South Africa defeated Morocco 14-10 after the bidding battle for the 2010 World Cup -- the first staged in Africa -- but this time two countries well equipped to stage the Nations Cup should both be winners.


http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article877002.ece/African-Nation-Cup-decision-postponed

2015 for Morocco

Chers amis, c'est avec une grande émotion, que je vous informe en avant première de la décision du jury : Le Maroc Organise la CAN 2015. Amitiés, MB

congrats morocco!!!

Lol I don't know if its the thing to say congrats for? I mean we were both going to get one anyway :) so was a kinda very lame end. Still think it would have been better for Moroccos interests to get 2017

http://images.supersport.com.edgesuite.net/general/Leslie-Sedibe-100821-Talks-BPP300.jpg Leslie Sedibe © Backpagepix
SA bid to host Club World Cup

30 January 2011, 00:25


A few hours after South Africa were confirmed as hosts of the 2017 African Nations Cup tournament, it has been learned that the country that hosted the 2010 Fifa World Cup has submitted an application to host the 2014 Fifa World Club Championship.
Speaking in Lubumbashi on Saturday evening, South African Football Association (Safa) CEO Leslie Sedibe revealed in an exclusive interview with www.supersport.com that the country’s National Executive Committee has submitted a written application to the world controlling body to host the Fifa World Club championship.
“Yes, I can confirm that we submitted an application to Jerome Valcke to host this tournament,” said Sedibe. “We strongly believe that we have the ability and the capability to host the event. And after hosting the 2010 Fifa World Cup, I think we have left the world with no doubt about our abilities to host major events.”
The Fifa World Club tournament is contested by the six Fifa Confederations club champions with the African Champions League winners representing the continent at this tournament that has been held in the United Arab Emirates city of Abu Dhabi for the past seven years.
The Uefa, Asian, Concacaf as well as Conmebol club championship winners as well are eligible to sent their confederation league winners to this annual tournamwent that has been played during the month of December for the past seven years.
“Fifa has indicated recently that anyone willing to host the tournament must submit a written application,” continued Sedibe. “And because we believe we are ready to host major events, we felt it is time we hosted this prestigious event and as we speak, our application has been received by Fifa.”
This basically means that the 2012/13 Absa Premiership winners as well as another club from South Africa will qualify to contest the tournament as hosts and both the federation and its professional wing will have to work nominate or work out a plan regarding the criteria to select the second team.
Sedibe said TP Mazembe, who lost in last year’s Fifa World Club championship should act as an inspiration to all African clubs to work towards not only emulating the Lubumbashi-based side, but surpassing their achievement.
Danny Jordaan, who formed part of the delegation that made representation for the right to host the 2015 African Nations Cup but accepted the CAF decision to award the country the 2017 edition instead, confirmed that South Africa has not only applied to host the World Club Championship, but the Fifa U-20 Youth World Cup tournament as well.
“We intend submitting an additional application for the Fifa Women U-20 tournament as well as we believe if we win the right to host such an event, it could go a long way towards helping in the total development of women football in our country,” said Jordaan.

Mo looks like there are mistakes in that report. If we host in 2014 surely the 2013-14 PSL champion would play? Also you can't have 2 teams if an SA teams wins the 2014 CAF CL then the losing finalist gets the host slot. The comp was also in Japan a few years back.

Congrats to Morocco... What happen in 2017?

This is my list of stadiums that I think they need to use for 2017 ACN tournament.

1. Soccer City ~ No Orlando nor Ellis Park Stadium.
2. Peter Mokaba Stadium.
3. Free State Stadium.
4. Moses Mabhida Stadium.
5. PE Stadium.
6. Cape Town Stadium.

This is my list of stadiums that I think they need to use for 2017 ACN tournament.

1. Soccer City ~ No Orlando nor Ellis Park Stadium.
2. Peter Mokaba Stadium.
3. Free State Stadium.
4. Moses Mabhida Stadium.
5. PE Stadium.
6. Cape Town Stadium.

I think Morocco will be using 8 stadiums, so i think SA should match them or beat them.

1. Soccer City
2. CapeTown Stadium
3. Moses Mabhida Stadium
4. Nelson Mandela Bay
5. Nelspruit
6. Peter Mokaba Stadium
7. Free State Stadium
8.Loftus Versfeld Stadium
9. Newlands

I think Morocco will be using 8 stadiums, so i think SA should match them or beat them.

1. Soccer City
2. CapeTown Stadium
3. Moses Mabhida Stadium
4. Nelson Mandela Bay
5. Nelspruit
6. Peter Mokaba Stadium
7. Free State Stadium
8.Loftus Versfeld Stadium
9. Newlands

The problem will be will fans show up for the mokaba and nelspruit game?....this aint the world cup......and u know african nations dont have huge fan coming from other countries.

So it will be best to limit to the 5 biggest city in SA

1. Soccer City in jozi

2. Cape town stadium

3. MMS in durban

4. Loftus in pretoria

5. Nelson mandela in PE

hell PE barely sold out during the world cup...

The problem will be will fans show up for the mokaba and nelspruit game?....this aint the world cup......and u know african nations dont have huge fan coming from other countries.

So it will be best to limit to the 5 biggest city in SA

1. Soccer City in jozi

2. Cape town stadium

3. MMS in durban

4. Loftus in pretoria

5. Nelson mandela in PE

hell PE barely sold out during the world cup...

Never leave Bloemfontein out...PE can be left out but not Bloem.

9. Newlands :nuts:

If you are going to use more venue then give the "smaller ones" 1 match, so that all there surrounding support can be focussed on that match.

The problem will be will fans show up for the mokaba and nelspruit game?....this aint the world cup......and u know african nations dont have huge fan coming from other countries.

So it will be best to limit to the 5 biggest city in SA

...
Nelspruit and Polokwane weren't that bad during the world cup. Nelspruit is close to Kruger Park and Polokwane is close to many other african countries. Fifa marketing wasn't good. SA must do way better for 2017.

:nuts:

Cape Town has proven to be the biggest demand for the WC they should get two stadiums.

To be honest only knockout stage matches would be sold out at SC. unless it's a match with Bafana. So Orlando and Elis Park will probably be needed.

Nelspruit and Polokwane weren't that bad during the world cup. Nelspruit is close to Kruger Park and Polokwane is close to many other african countries. Fifa marketing wasn't good. SA must do way better for 2017.

Yea but will fans show up for a gabon vs guinea match, didnt you watch angola 2010....its about the teams too u know...now a nigeria match will draw a big audience....



Cape Town has proven to be the biggest demand for the WC they should get two stadiums.

To be honest only knockout stage matches would be sold out at SC. unless it's a match with Bafana. So Orlando and Elis Park will probably be needed.

South africa will be based in johanesburg ...that would be the no brainer idea....play all of south africa's at soccer city...tickets range should target 90,000 plus fans....

If I were to decide on the tournement, I'd go with

Soccer City: opening game, 4 other group games, a quarter and final
Moses Mabhida Stadium: 4 group games, quarter, semi and 3rd place
Cape Town Stadium: 5 group games, quarter and semi
Loftus Versfeld: 4 group games, quarter
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium: 3 group games
Free State Stadium: 3 group games

At the end of the day this a tournament that not many people really give too big a crap about. So for it to do well it needs good marketing and clever venue selections. bad teams in the rural locations will result in zero attendance.

Sounds good to me!:)
If I were to decide on the tournement, I'd go with

Soccer City: opening game, 4 other group games, a quarter and final
Moses Mabhida Stadium: 4 group games, quarter, semi and 3rd place
Cape Town Stadium: 5 group games, quarter and semi
Loftus Versfeld: 4 group games, quarter
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium: 3 group games
Free State Stadium: 3 group games

Sounds good to me!:)

The other thing big thing is where Bafana would play their games. They will of course sell out, but should all their group games be played at Soccer City again (refering to 96 AFCON).

Also, to the mods, please rename the thread to 2017 Africa Cup of Nations, that's the correct name for the tournement.

At the end of the day this a tournament that not many people really give too big a crap about. So for it to do well it needs good marketing and clever venue selections. bad teams in the rural locations will result in zero attendance.

its big in africa....maybe not in south africa...

At the end of the day this a tournament that not many people really give too big a crap about. So for it to do well it needs good marketing and clever venue selections. bad teams in the rural locations will result in zero attendance.

+1

What is needed for 2017 African Nations Cup to succeed -

1. Use new built stadiums ~ they will for sure be an attraction to our African brothers and sisters.
2. Namibia, Swaziland, Botswana, Lesotho, Mocambique, Angola and DRC should qualify as it will be easier for their fans to commute to the country.
3. Marketing ~
(a) Bafana Bafana tour of major cities especially those were games are gonna be played and offer free limited t-shirts to the people.
(b) Aviation industry and the bus services need to get involved and offer specials and do serious marketing.
(c) Music concerts in conjunction the possible 2017 sponsor MTN and run competitions within the concerts to offer free tickets, travel and accom to the winners.
(d) TV and Radio need to be used extensively.
(e) The likes of Edgars and Jet stores need to be brought on board so that they can let their customers use their credit to buy game packages wich includes air/bus tickets, match tickets and accom vouchers.
(d) Competitions at the shopping malls.
(3) Retail chains like Pick 'n Pay, Edgars etc need to be lured into being part of the sponsors.

What is needed for 2017 African Nations Cup to succeed -

1. Use new built stadiums ~ they will for sure be an attraction to our African brothers and sisters.
2. Namibia, Swaziland, Botswana, Lesotho, Mocambique, Angola and DRC should qualify as it will be easier for their fans to commute to the country.
3. Marketing ~
(a) Bafana Bafana tour of major cities especially those were games are gonna be played and offer free limited t-shirts to the people.
(b) Aviation industry and the bus services need to get involved and offer specials and do serious marketing.
(c) Music concerts in conjunction the possible 2017 sponsor MTN and run competitions within the concerts to offer free tickets, travel and accom to the winners.
(d) TV and Radio need to be used extensively.
(e) The likes of Edgars and Jet stores need to be brought on board so that they can let their customers use their credit to buy game packages wich includes air/bus tickets, match tickets and accom vouchers.
(d) Competitions at the shopping malls.
(3) Retail chains like Pick 'n Pay, Edgars etc need to be lured into being part of the sponsors.

Pule, that 2nd statement is very delusional. No disrespect but those countries suck at soccer and if they qualify, it would show the poor standard of soccer in africa and the 2017 CAF tournament

^^ correct my brotha

True guys but Botswana and Lesotho have improved lately. Mozambique, Angola and DRC are almost on par with the best on the coninent.

True guys but Botswana and Lesotho have improved lately. Mozambique, Angola and DRC are almost on par with the best on the coninent.

Botswana is doing really well in the 2012 AFCON qualifiers.

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