Soccer World Cup 2010: [Archive] - Page 2

romanSA

March 28th, 2006, 12:01 PM

Looks like the oppostion / reservation is not just at mayoral level. Provincial govt doesn't seem *entirely* convinced either.

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Sport MEC backs freeze on World Cup stadium

March 28 2006 at 12:07PM

By John Yeld & Bulelani Phillip

Sport MEC Mzonke Whitey Jacobs has come out in support of the City of Cape Town's decision to halt progress on the proposed R1,28-billion African Renaissance Stadium at Green Point pending a financial review.

At its inaugural meeting on Monday, the new mayoral committee (Mayco) expressed serious concern about the project, saying the stadium, the city's proposed World Cup venue, was unaffordable as currently planned.

The committee ordered a one-week moratorium on signing of new contracts while it looks closely at the financial details.

'We must take positively to what the city is saying'
Thirteen bids to plan, design and manage construction of the proposed 68 000-seater stadium were in the tender box when the deadline for submissions closed at noon on Monday.

Jacobs took a surprisingly positive attitude to the decision, saying on Tuesday that it was the right thing for a new city administration to do.

We must take positively to what the city is saying - they are just in office, and sometimes the issues around 2010 are quite involved," he said.

Western Cape Premier Ebrahim Rasool had offered to meet city politicians to discuss the stadium project, and the province was committed to its financial contribution, Jacobs said.

On Monday the Mayco said that without a new financing model, the cost of the stadium would result in "a massive inability" of the city to provide services.

The committee wants more details about the stadium package as agreed between the world soccer body Fifa, the national and provincial governments and the then ANC-run city council led by Nomaindia Mfeketo.

New mayor Helen Zille said during the meeting that if the present financial model for the event was retained, the city would be set to contribute all its capital funds towards the construction of the stadium, to the detriment of other services such as sewerage plant upgrades, provision of electricity infrastructure and other basic services.

"This will have a profound impact on the city. The key thing is the financial modelling... we don't want to bankrupt the city in the process."

The committee has told the city's 2010 office to hold off any decision on a preferred bidder or further contracts for a week.

Ian Neilson, Mayco member for finance, said it was clear the new stadium would provide "very significant" benefits for Fifa, and also for the national government through benefits such as increased VAT (value added tax) revenue.

"But there are virtually no positive cash flows into city coffers," he said.

"So that's a clear thing we have to put on the table.

"We would very much love to host the (World Cup) semi-final, but if it is to be affordable, then we have to have other (income) sources coming in," he said.

Neilson said he would meet Rushj Lehutso, the city's chief operational officer, who was closely involved in the original agreement, on Tuesday to discuss the issue.

He pointed out that if the planned stadium was not built, Cape Town would definitely lose out on hosting either a semi-final or a quarter-final, and would get only a few group stage games.

These would either be played at the upgraded Athlone Stadium or Newlands rugby ground, or both.

With April 10 set as the provisional date for announcing the winning bid, the Mayco's freeze order would have no immediate impact on the adjudication process of the tenders, which would continue as planned, the director of the 2010 office, Teral Cullen, said on Monday.

Preliminary screening of the 13 bids, to ensure they complied with all the requirements set out in the proposal call document, would begin on Tuesday, Cullen said.

Suitable bids would then be put before three key sub-committees - design, environment and transport, and finance and sustainability - for assessment.

"They will look at them tomorrow (Wednesday) and Thursday, and then they will go to the bid adjudication committee on Friday, which will sit all weekend."

The programme allowed for presentations to the committee by the various bidders next Tuesday and Wednesday, Cullen said.

"I'm very excited to see who has made submissions."

jyeld@incape.co.za

bulelanip@incape.co.za

This article was originally published on page 1 of Cape Argus on March 28, 2006

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=79&art_id=vn20060328101948320C243891

mike2005

March 28th, 2006, 04:57 PM

great news. Its a total waste of money and effort. Just upgrade newlands. Cape Town does NOT need another eyesore stadium (as all stadiums are no matter how 'good' they are meant to look.) Spend the money on upgrading the townships and some on the CBD.

mike2005

March 28th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Oh and come on guys lets get real: Blatter is not in anyway totally obsessed with cape town! I doubts he cares all that much where the final is held and come off it I doubt if he gives two hoots about the exact location of a stadium in cape town! Just play the bloody games at newlands and lets not waste money that would be better spent on other more pressing projects.

Mo Rush

March 28th, 2006, 05:17 PM

Blatter supported the bid coming to SA. Full stop. His support was never tied to CT being the lead city or a even semi-final host city. Moreover, he has NEVER, to my knowledge, made ANY statements to which Mo alludes.

Chances are that even if CT doesn't get its new stadium (in time or at all), it will *still* host preliminary matches (up to quarter-final level). It's not like the city will completely lose out on hosting any matches at all. In this event, the semis will be split betw Durbs and JHB.
correct none of his statements have been made public. again i spoke to someone who was in a meeting with him when he suggested the idea of green point. but ive made myself clear on this before.

Mo Rush

March 28th, 2006, 05:20 PM

to all the comments which are basically the same. the stadium is still going ahead. this is as of 16:24 today. i have no reply to any invidual comment. if cape town cannot afford a stadium then durban or any other city shud not be constructing a new one either. in PE's case building two new stadia!! when the province is still in need of massive development.

the stadia proposed by south africa, have been agreed upon. the specfic stadia and the city. i do wonder what the legal implications will be since FIFA the LOC and city all agreed on the stadium. i dont think any contracts being signed should be taken lightly, if u agree to provide a stadium and site which FIFA agrees on, then thats it.

Mo Rush

March 28th, 2006, 05:34 PM

ill ask helen zille about the stadium tomorrow, hopefully get in a few questions, her concerns at the moment seem to be purely in terms of the funding of the stadium. a clear long term business plan and legacy needs to be drawn up.

dysan1

March 28th, 2006, 06:58 PM

well go off and have ur "meeting"...

Mo Rush

March 28th, 2006, 08:29 PM

well go off and have ur "meeting"...

the "meeting" is a talk.hopefully ill be able to ask her about the stadium.too much sarcasm and anamosity around here, especially when ive just communicated what ive heard from those directly involved with the stadium,world cup and LOC in general.

Harkeb

March 29th, 2006, 05:13 AM

She's barely in, and she's stirring up shit with her near-sightness. The old cow is putting Cape Town's WC campaign in jeopardy. South Africa's WC preparations are so going to become an embarrasment. First gautrain, now greenpoint...geez, the cities aint even awake yet! :clown:
I start to think that Africa just isnt prepraed to stage anything of these proportions. I also believe that with this kind of sloppy organisation and constant infights, we should not even try to bid for another Olympic Games. No single SA city is competent enough. Will they ever be?

Durbsboi

March 29th, 2006, 07:30 AM

ill ask helen zille about the stadium tomorrow, ......
What are you anyway? Proffesion wise that is? Are you a politician? A member of an Olympic Bod Comitee? Member of FIFA?

mike2005

March 29th, 2006, 09:20 AM

GregPz

March 29th, 2006, 09:31 AM

And while this goes on Durban quietly continues 2010 preparations...

World Cup investments may kick off urban renewal
March 29, 2006

By Samantha Enslin

Durban - Durban will attract R10 billion in investments ahead of the 2010 World Cup as the city's transport system is upgraded and a new stadium, training facilities and hotels are built.

Mike Sutcliffe, the city manager of the eThekwini municipality, said yesterday that R1.8 billion would be used to build the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport, R1.6 billion for a new stadium, R2 billion for upgrading transport networks and R3 billion for hotels. Investments would also be made in information communication technology.

Speaking at the KZN Trade and Investment Faire and Conference yesterday, Sutcliffe said: "Probably well over 1 million people will come into South Africa for this event."

Durban is a strong contender to host one of the semi-finals and more than 100 000 people could visit Durban for each of the possible six matches to be held in the city.

Sutcliffe said South Africans had not yet grasped the scale of this event. He added that Europe's largest economy, Germany, which would host the 2006 soccer World Cup in the next few months, had already experienced spin-offs from the event in the past 18 months.

"If this is the impact on Germany, can you imagine the impact on South Africa?" he asked.

By mid-July, when the 2006 World Cup will have come to an end, all eyes would be on South Africa as it prepared for the 2010 event, he said.

Durban's strategy for the World Cup was not an end in itself, he said. "We can use the event to develop regional benefits … It is about urban renewal."

In terms of the R1.6 billion soccer stadium, which would accommodate 70 000 people, a business model was being developed to ensure the long-term viability of the project.

"We cannot build something for six weeks of football and then it is too big to be used for anything else," Sutcliffe said.

The Cape Times yesterday reported that Cape Town's executive mayor, Helen Zille, had put on ice plans to build a R1 billion soccer stadium in Green Point for the World Cup pending a comprehensive financial audit of Cape Town's capacity to host the event.

Ethekwini, however, plans to host a wide range of sporting events, some of which have already been secured, such as the A1 Grand Prix. The city is also bidding for other events, such as the Fifa beach soccer 2009 competition.

Source: Business Report

Durbsboi

March 29th, 2006, 11:02 AM

They had some similar article like this^^ in the Mercury

romanSA

March 29th, 2006, 12:27 PM

Durbs has sooo got its act together. Makes me proud to be a Durbanite. Of course, we've been where CT is now (infighting, etc). Hang in there CT! Hopefully things will work out in the end, either way. I think we should bear in mind that for the 2010 WC to be a success ALL host SA cities must get their act together ASAP. The country, not individual cities, will be held accountable in the end and bad planning / organisation in just one city could spoil the whole country's image. I therefore hope CT gets its situation / stand-off sorted out asap.

hsark

March 29th, 2006, 01:07 PM

hey so wheres durbs getting the 10billion from thats alot of money so at the moment its all talk and no action ...only really excited about the dube port

Durbsboi

March 29th, 2006, 01:10 PM

hey so wheres durbs getting the 10billion from thats alot of money
Thats just spare change for our investors!

Mo Rush

March 29th, 2006, 06:36 PM

Mo no contracts have been signed I mean they have not even agreed a design or a developer yet. At best there might be preliminary agreements which are not enforcable as the parties probably would not have demonstrated intention to be legally bound at this stage. The whole thing is a total waste of time. CAPE TOWN DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER SPORTS STADIUM!!!!
then neither does durban or PE...

the contracts if you had read closer are referring to the signing of the contracts with FIFA, which include all FIFA's requirements, I am in contact with two of the bidding groups/companies for the cape town stadium proposals, and yes im fully aware at which stage the process is.

with regards to durbsboi comments, again as before, i am simply relaying the information of those who i communicate with daily or weekly or whatever, and as this is a forum my opinion is allowed even though ive given very little of my opinion with reference to the world cup stadium saga as such. i dont think i have to be a member of FIFA to be informing you on what is happening, cut the bullshit and pro-durban crap and talk about whats really bugging most people.

ill hopefully get a look at the 13 proposals for the greenpoint area tomorrow. im not gonna get mad and be all anti durban etc, ill continue to inform u guys of what is happening.

dysan1

March 29th, 2006, 07:39 PM

^^Blah blah, i agree with what the CT mayor has done...so u can all shoot me now! :) And we are all pro durban, cos from what comes out of durban's city council, it seems they have been doing their planning, not just waiting for sepp to come and rescue us! They have budgetted, and planned for many years, so we can be pompus!! If u do ur planning properly things turn out the way they should!

As for where the money is coming from for durbans things...the airport is mainly provincial gov funded, and they have budgetted for it!!! The transport is city funded and they have budgetted for it!!! And the hotels are private funding...and they are more than happy to come to the ball game!

and i agree with Mike...if CT still plans on putting money into Athlone stadium, then they are off their rockers!!!!!!!!!!! you dont need all those stadia!!! wake up and smell the bankruptcy!

ok we will cut the crap mo...CT is disorganised, and freaking face it. no mountain or sepp love and juices can cover that up.

Jee...and what does durban have to do with CT's mess up anyway...we just showing how it should have been done...with years of planning...jealousy makes u nasty boy...now go attend ur "meeting"

Mo Rush

March 29th, 2006, 09:48 PM

Harkeb

March 30th, 2006, 01:56 AM

mockeries...

Durbsboi

March 30th, 2006, 09:57 AM

as before, no response required.i believe pathetic is the word.
I think I'll take Mo's style of stance on this one, lets just keep quiet & see what happens.

dysan1

March 30th, 2006, 11:44 AM

i love your response mo...to be expected

Mo Rush

March 30th, 2006, 07:40 PM

i love your response mo...to be expected

well urs are always the same. im not gonna go through 52 posts of urs to prove this. awesome symphony of fire fireworks...

Mo Rush

March 30th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Stofile stays clear of 2010 stadium row
March 30, 2006, 13:15

Makhenkesi Stofile, the sport minister, is keeping his distance from the controversy over the proposed Green Point soccer stadium, Bongi Sishi, his spokesperson, said today.

He was speaking ahead of a meeting scheduled for this afternoon between Helen Zille, the Cape Town mayor, Ebrahim Rasool, the Western Cape premier, and the Fifa local organising committee, which hopes to allay Zille's concerns over the project. Stofile and Jabu Moleketi, the deputy finance minister, are also on the list of attendees. However, Stofile would not be at the meeting, said Sishi.

Government guarantees
"We've announced the stadiums: now the matter rests with the mayor and the province. Otherwise we end up entangled in tendering processes," he said. He also said there was no reason for concern over finances. "The government has signed guarantees. There's nobody that's going to lose money." Moleketi's office confirmed he would attend.

Zille said yesterday that she looked forward to discussing the financial implications of the stadium, which is earmarked to host a 2010 Soccer World Cup semifinal, at the meeting. "I have already stated that we cannot start signing contracts worth millions of rands until we have been given adequate information on how much the stadium will cost and how it will be paid for," she said. "Thus far we have not been presented with a proper financial model to work with, and it would be irresponsible to proceed without one."

Earlier, she said it appeared the stadium was going to cost Cape Town R1 billion - equivalent to an entire year's capital budget for the city. - Sapa

mike2005

March 30th, 2006, 10:59 PM

oh come on cpt is a joke compared to durbs and we all know it. durbs leadership = excellent cpt leadership= non existant.

romanSA

March 31st, 2006, 12:10 PM

Don't know if its been posted before but here is Durban's sports vision and why the city will go from strength to strength...

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City Manager's Newsletters
15 March 2006

Our 2010 and Beyond Strategy

Today FIFA are considering which cities in South Africa should become Host Cities for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Over the past few months we have been working hard on developing recommendations around where we would host the 2010 FIFA World Cup Soccer matches in Durban. The Bid Book had indicated that ABSA Stadium would be upgraded but when the costs of that upgrading escalated to over ten times what was indicated in the bid book we started exploring alternative options. After reporting to the Premier and Mayor and after the Premier made a submission to the national Inter-Ministerial Committee, it was accepted that we should build an iconic stadium. This strategy has been endlorsed by EXCO and Council.

Julie-May Ellingson leads the team looking at the Kings Park Precinct. Their research has shown that not only do we have favourable regional climatic conditions and excellent infrastructure, but we have the potential to host the 42 main Olympic sporting codes in the Kings Park Precinct. We are certainly well placed to become Africa’s best sporting, leisure, arts and culture destination. When combined with our rich cultural, historical and political legacy we have all the ingredients for our “2010 and Beyond” strategy to place us at the forefront of sport, art and heritage.
The strategy focuses on ensuring we attract world class events to our city and province, events which reinforce our passion for sport, art and culture, whilst maximising tourism benefits and ensuring we have world-class facilities. We have done it before. We hosted Bafana-England and are seen as the home for Bafana. We have hosted major rugby, cricket and other sporting events. Our ICC remains the best in Africa and its expansion into an entertainment arena this year will bring new benefits. The hosting of the Clipper Round the World Yacht Race continues to bring us accolades and the recent hosting of the A1 Grand Prix has become one of Africa’s most talked about sporting events.

We have coined the word after hosting these events: the Durbanising of sporting events. Visitors have raved about the way we put on events. They are not only professionally well executed but also display an incredible warmth and passion, unseen in many other major sporting contexts.

In the next three years we will host events such as A1 Grand Prix, Clipper Round the world Yacht race, African Motor Car Rally followed by World Rally Championships, World Veterans Tennis, World Cycling, World Beach Soccer Series, FINA Swimming, Dusi Canoe Race, Comrades Marathon, Tour d’Urban, Amashovashova cycling race, and so on.

Our team is finalising the conceptual plans for the world-class sporting precinct around Kings Park. It will act as the hub for all the other facilities and initiatives within the province and provide focus for our young people with talent who aspire to great heights in sport, tourism, leisure, art and culture. It will include a High Performance Centre, a campus for sporting and development academies and a smaller indoor arena.

In looking at upgrading ABSA, there were some advantages, but they were far outweighed by disadvantages, from it being primarily a rugby stadium with little flexibility for other sporting uses, it being quite old, it having few of the facilities required for a world class soccer stadium, it having a design which works against FIFA’s safety and other standards, and so on.

On the other hand, the Kings Park Soccer Stadium would be a new iconic, world class, multi-purpose soccer stadium on the site of the existing Kings Park Soccer Stadium. This will not only give our country a second world-class soccer stadium, but it will be designed in a way that after 2010 we will have the major stadium at King’s Park Precinct and also three other top class facilities at locations where our professional teams can play. It will be constructed in compliance with all the international safety and security standards and will have built-in flexibility to host a wide range of sporting and other events.

Not only will the stadium be designed in a way that it can host the soccer world cup semi-finals, will allow for multiple sporting uses, will be integrated to other major stadia in the province, but it will be iconic and bring together sport, arts and culture in the precinct.

It will include the “must see” museum and multi-media centre that the Premier has planned, to tell the story of the Zulu people and the people of KwaZulu-Natal. It must bring together our musicians, historians of all periods, writers and poets of all periods and cultures.

It will certainly provide a new tourism product for our city, province and continent.
Work is going to begin very soon in order to meet the strict deadlines imposed on us in order to host the 2010 FIFA World Soccer Cup. We will need to appoint operator/consultants (February-May 2006), finalise precinct and stadium design (end July 2006), go out to tender for construction (end September 2006) and the complete the stadium by the end of December 2008.

Dr Mike Sutcliff
Ethekwini City Manager

http://www.durban.gov.za/eThekwini/Municipality/CMN/200603152010andbeyond/view

Durbsboi

March 31st, 2006, 12:35 PM

.... followed by World Rally Championships
When is this happening? I love the Rally's! Markus Gronhom is coming to Durban :dance2:

Llanfairpwllgwy-ngyllgogerychwy-rndrobwllllanty-siliogogogoch

March 31st, 2006, 12:52 PM

So you like drag racing aswell ??

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/dragrace3.html
or in Mobeni ??

Mo Rush

March 31st, 2006, 01:03 PM

National
Green Point stadium planning back on track
Ben Maclennan | Cape Town, South Africa
31 March 2006 08:58
Planning for Cape Town's proposed Green Point stadium, earmarked as venue for a 2010 Soccer World Cup semifinal, appears to be back on track following a meeting between city mayor Helen Zille and Fifa local organising committee (LOC) members on Thursday.

"I think the mayor is comfortable right now that the city will not be bankrupt," LOC chairperson Irvin Khoza said afterwards.

Reading a prepared statement, he said those at the two and a half hour meeting had agreed that preparation and planning of infrastructure delivery would continue.

"The parties are agreed that ... all spheres of government [are] committed to work together to deliver a world class event in Cape Town," he said.

Zille earlier this week imposed a moratorium on the appointment of consultants for the stadium -- earmarked as venue for a cup semifinal -- saying the city did not have adequate information on how much the project would cost and how it would be paid for.

Her spokesperson, Robert Macdonald, said on Thursday night: "The mayor stands behind what Mr Khoza said. We will proceed with the plans as set out."

Also at Thursday's meeting, held in a city hotel, were Western Cape Premier Ebrahim Rasool, who had criticised Zille's decision as being "irresponsible in the extreme", and Minister of Sport Makhenkesi Stofile and Deputy Finance Minister Jabu Moleketi, who are both LOC members.

Khoza said it had been decided that representatives of all three tiers of government would meet as soon as possible to discuss issues around 2010 financing.

The purpose of the meeting, which would be hosted by Stofile, would be to "further clarify" issues raised by Zille.

"We did not satisfy her completely," he said. "It was a question of lack of information, which I think in terms of what we have reported to her gives her a sense things are moving in the right direction. But still there are still open questions that need to be resolved."

Asked about Zille's concern that the city might be expected to contribute R1-billion -- the equivalent of an entire year's capital budget -- to the stadium project, Khoza said: "She has understood that that is not the case."

Towards the end of the briefing, he said: "She did indicate that in whatever I'm saying that I must not leave out the words that she wants that the financial model must be thoroughly explained. So I'm making sure that I don't misrepresent her...

"We have made an attempt to explain it. Until that point, she's comfortable, but, you know, there are details that still have to be provided."

He said that in addition to the Stofile meeting, the LOC would invite all premiers and host city mayors to a workshop "because we've realised that there was a slow flow of information from various departments".

This was all the more important for new mayors who had inherited contracts and agreements signed by the LOC, Fifa and the government.

Khoza said more information on financial modelling would come through the planning phase of the World Cup exercise, for which government had already put aside R200-million.

The LOC board would meet at Tuynhuys on Friday to allocate this money to the nine host cities.

"The financial modelling, it will give comfort to the cities that they won't inherit any huge financial responsibility that will affect the running of the cities," he said. - Sapa
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Mo Rush

March 31st, 2006, 01:06 PM

SOUTH AFRICA
R240m for World Cup to be split today

March 31, 2006

By John Yeld

The 2010 World Cup local organising committee will decide today how to divide R240 million in government funding for the planning phase of the prestigious soccer tournament among nine host cities, including Cape Town.

And the Mother City is still looking good to host a semifinal match, despite the one-week moratorium on the signing of any further 2010 contracts ordered by mayor Helen Zille last week.

This was revealed by the chairman of the local organising committee, Irvin Khoza, after a high-powered meeting in a foreshore hotel yesterday between Zille and senior government and bid officials.

Khoza also said Sport Minister Makhenkesi Stofile would convene an urgent meeting for all the provincial premiers and mayors of cities involved in the 2010 event to discuss the "obligations and responsibilities" of each sphere of government.

Those at the meeting included Stofile, Deputy Finance Minister Jabu Moleketi, SA Football Association president Molefe Olifant, chief executive of the 2010 bid Danny Jordaan, Western Cape premier Ebrahim Rasool, and Ian Neilson, Cape Town's mayoral executive committee member for finance.

Afterwards, Khoza read a statement to a media briefing.

Part of the statement reads: "The parties agreed that the preparation and planning of the infrastructure delivery will be continued, including the financial modelling for the host cities.

"All spheres of government are committed to working together to deliver a world-class event in Cape Town."

Khoza said his committee had realised there was a "slow flow of information" and it was important that all people in all spheres of government - particularly new mayors like Zille - be informed properly.

"The agreement we've signed (with Fifa) is very demanding, and everyone must understand that."

Khoza said Zille had stressed that Cape Town required more information about the financial modelling of the event and anticipated expenditures, and they had explained that detailed costs would become available during the planning phase, which was being funded by the government.

Some of the answers would be provided by the technical team appointed by his committee, Khoza said.

Responding to questions, Khoza said Zille had raised "a reasonable question".

Asked whether she was satisfied with the responses given, he said: "Well, it will not satisfy her completely.

"It was a question of a lack of information, which I think in terms of what we've reported to her will give her the sense that things are moving in the right direction.

"But there are still open questions to be resolved, and hence the meeting with the Minister of Sport to fill all those gaps that have been raised by her.

"I'm satisfied now, but we still have to provide all outstanding issues which they've raised, which are pertinent."

For example, details such as the final cost of the stadiums would only be available once the quantity surveyors had reported.

Khoza said Zille understood that Cape Town would not be expected to pay R1 billion towards the cost of the planned Green Point stadium.

"I think the mayor (Zille) is comfortable right now that the city will not be bankrupt."

He also said that Zille had not been attempting to frustrate any process.

"She wants everything to be clarified because there is a responsibility on the mayor that the city is managed in a disciplined way.

"And I think when we arrive at a point when the planing phase has taken place, some of the questions that she has raised will be answered."

Zille's spokesman Robert McDonald said those at the meeting had all agreed on the statement.

Mo Rush

March 31st, 2006, 01:36 PM

1.Eight of the 13 provisional bids to plan, design and manage construction of the proposed African Renaissance Stadium at Green Point submitted by Monday's deadline have passed an initial scrutiny.
More should be known in one weeks time. I hope to get some more info from one of the bidding companies by monday

2. Building the "iconic" 2010 World Cup soccer stadium in Green Point has the potential to lift the construction industry to unprecedented heights, creating thousands of jobs and attracting millions of rands in investment, says Western Cape Premier Ebrahim Rasool.
3. Transport plans for Pretoria are coming together fast, the same can be said for Cape Town,who plan a very "costly" transport idea for 2010 and beyond but more on this later
4. any news on the durbs stadium?

GregPz

March 31st, 2006, 02:07 PM

4. any news on the durbs stadium?

"Local authorities are due today to open about 30 designs submitted for the iconic stadium complex to be constructed in the King's Park area in preparation for the 2010 soccer World Cup in South Africa.

These will be shortlisted to five. By the end of July a detailed design will have been chosen. In August tenders for construction will be issued."

Excerpt from the editorial in today's Mercury

Cape Town Guy

March 31st, 2006, 02:16 PM

3. Transport plans for Pretoria are coming together fast, the same can be said for Cape Town,who plan a very "costly" transport idea for 2010 and beyond but more on this later

What is different in CTs idea compared to Joburg (just for example)?

dysan1

April 1st, 2006, 10:28 AM

Thanx for the article jerome, hadnt read it before, great to see that careful planning that has gone into the precinct and the integration the new stadium will provide with all the infrastructure

dysan1

April 1st, 2006, 10:36 AM

30 designs for the durbs stadium...hmmm...good to hear...pity we dont get to see what they look like!!

I spoke to a guy from the Natal Rugby union this week, who attended a meeting regarding the new transmodel transport station to be built in the Kings Park precinct. he said that it would accomodate commuter trains, buses, taxi's (both minibus and metered) and the people mover system. They stated that the people mover was progressing well and that plans would be made public during may or june.

Mo Rush

April 1st, 2006, 04:13 PM

its all so sucky...i hate the planning phase ...i just wanna see the designs already..but then again i am impatient..will maybe maybe have a look at the cape town proposals on monday...its already been whittle down to 8. perhaps ill see them on monday.

Mo Rush

April 1st, 2006, 04:31 PM

SOCCER
Bafana to play in World Cup
Avril Phule
Sat, 01 Apr 2006

FIFA confirmed on Saturday that following Togo's withdrawal from the 2006 World Cup in Germany due to continued political instability in the West African nation, South Africa will replace them in the tournament.

Under FIFA's complex rules, once the final 32 teams have been decided, a withdrawal by any of the 32 in question will see that team's spot offered to the defending champions, if they have not already qualified. As defending champions Brazil have qualified, the available spot is then offered to the next hosts of the tournament, if that country has also not already qualified — which means South Africa, as hosts in 2010, now have a chance to shine in Germany.

"It's great news, and we're very excited," said SAFA President Molefi Oliphant. "We were very unlucky not to make the tournament in the first place, and now we have the chance to show how strong South African football is. Everybody in the SAFA office is very excited about going to Germany for four weeks to support the team, and maybe do some shopping."

With Bafana Bafana currently without a coach, Oliphant said that a new man would be selected in the coming week, although did make a surprising revelation regarding the support staff.

"We are almost certain who the new coach will be, but we do have the technical team confirmed. Lucas Radebe and Mark Fish will work with the team, and the Minister of Sport has instructed the South African Rugby Union (SARU) to release Springbok coach Jake White for the duration of the World Cup, to help foster a winning mentality and positive approach amongst the squad," Oliphant explained.

White was unavailable for comment.

However, while South Africans were celebrating their elevation to the 2006 draw, Nigerian fans in South Africa were not happy.

"Nigeria have a far better side, and we should obviously be at the tournament," said one Nigerian, working in the informal banking sector in central Johannesburg. "Didn't anyone at FIFA watch the African Nations Cup?"

South Africa will play in Group G with France, Switzerland and South Korea, and will open their 2006 World Cup campaign on June 13 against the Koreans in Frankfurt.

Cape Town Guy

April 1st, 2006, 05:08 PM

nice april fools joke

Mo Rush

April 1st, 2006, 05:17 PM

nice april fools joke
seeriaas lol

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 01:03 PM

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 02:15 PM

i presume this apllies to CT too, but i found out that this initial phase of applications included no designs. It was merely CV's to show what firms are capable of. when they narrow it to 5 firms, then they make designs

ill hopefully see tomorrow, but im sure firms are clear or somwhat clear about their design, the document sent out by the city of cape town asked for more than just a stadium design, like durbans precinct, it required a plan for the entire "central park", as well as transport to and from the stadium , zille did descrbe many of the proposals as "glossy" so i spose that some form of vision or rendering was initiated, this week should be interesting..

why are the durban stadium developers so quiet?...seeing that the stadium has been in planning for a while should they not have started building like yesterday already? the earlier the better?...whats the reasoning behind the lack of media coverage about the stadium...are the durbs peeps waiting for the cape town stadium chaos to die down?...

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 05:11 PM

i think they quiet because there is really no reason to make announcements, when there is nothing to announce. keep in mind that until the final selection is made on the stadium, this build up process has nothing of any interest to the public. I think that all cities should keep quiet until they have concrete plans to announce, for stating things, then retracting comments doesnt add credibility to the process.

I only really want to know the final plans, not the "visions or dreams" along the way.

I think another reason the durban council has been quiet as that they have many intense negociations underway with transnet regarding the transmodal terminus. Its an integral part of the whole kings park precinct and hence any comments made before confirmation would be short-sighted.

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 05:24 PM

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 05:26 PM

question, i remember hearing that greenpoint stadium wont be knocked down for the new stadium...is this still true? for it seems a stupid idea to keep it standing

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 05:38 PM

question, i remember hearing that greenpoint stadium wont be knocked down for the new stadium...is this still true? for it seems a stupid idea to keep it standing
according to the first vision for the area there is no greenpoint stadium!
http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/1218/parkplansprelim6uo.jpg

based my own plan according to this prelim vision
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2284/parkview0dm.jpg

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 06:06 PM

good! it would make no sense to keep it up...i do still feel that the council should build more than one stadium in the complex, for i dont see the gardens being that successful

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 06:11 PM

good! it would make no sense to keep it up...i do still feel that the council should build more than one stadium in the complex, for i dont see the gardens being that successful

where u think i shud draw the aquatic centre?maybe opposite the white water centre? kinda an aquatic zone? or too cheesy?

i disagree.if marketed well, they are planning to promote the park area as much as table mountain and the V&A waterfront..some sports field would be retained...its a wonderful area fora temporary aquatic centre, like the one used in melbourne or an organic looking sports venue..similar to the feel of the london olympic park on a much smaller scale.

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 06:25 PM

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 08:25 PM

i agree that it could be a good sports area, but i'm still iffy about the detrimental effects it will have on the surroundings if it was over developed, therefore the transport plans need to be sorted out pronto.

I dont see the park ever being a major tourist attraction in the league of Kirstenbosch. What will be the attraction? i do believe that the area does need masses of open space, and i hope that all development is far from the apartments in moulle point, for they would be terribly imposing on those buildings.

I think that a posible indoor arena like they plan for the kings park complex would be best, and a swimming complex possibly, for CT's aquatic facilities are terrible. But i dont believe that anything more than that should be permitted, especially not the white water facility, that should be built further out of town

i was considering a whitewater centre out of town, well the 2004 bid planned it at the berg river..but the whitewater centre ill stick with that...its an exciting sport and would draw crowds, the facility isnt really a major rowing centre or something like that...the whitewater centre couldbecome part of the park as a water park...and it could link up to other waterways, have a look at this pic below, its the same design used in the my plan
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/787/48829gt.jpg
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/226/whitewatersmaller5ql.jpg

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 08:54 PM

Cape Town light rail system to the new staidum.

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 09:00 PM

World Cup stadium costs could hit R3bn
Igsaan Salie
April 02 2006 at 05:42PM

Cape Town faces a further soccer World Cup shock as the real cost of the proposed stadium in Green Point could be closer to R3-billion than the R1,4-billion estimate that has been tabled before the mayoral committee.

A top city official, who asked Weekend Argus not to be named, said that transport and other infrastucture costs would double the real cost of the project.

He said the cost of the structure and providing services to the stadium had not been fully understood.

Robert McDonald, the spokesperson for mayor Helen Zille, said that she was aware that there were many extra costs involved along with the proposed new stadium.

He said: "We have an undertaking from national and provincial government that the city will not be left in the dark to cover all the costs."

McDonald added that the city was going ahead with the planning of the stadium and would wait for the financial model to assess the full costs of the project and decide, along with the national and provincial governments who would pay for what.

The senior city official said the extra costs would include the implementation of road plans, including completion of the Foreshore flyovers, upgrading the currently insufficient electrical infrastructure along the Atlantic seaboard and the building of a light rail system to the stadium from the city centre.

He said there had also been under-estimates regarding the cost of constructing the stadium, especially the retractable roof.

The city official said that the report presented to the mayoral committee this week presented a cost of R1,4-billion but said that this was in fact not a fair estimate.

"That is just a conceptual estimate and does not include the design of the stadium. Architects and those in the building industry agree that with the current trend of construction costs they estimated the cost of the stadium to be closer to between R1,8-billion and R2-billion."

The official added that the estimated cost provided did not include the cost of the retractable roof which could only be estimated when the building design was finalised.

This is expected to cost in the region of an extra R300-million.

The anticipated road infrastructure improvements are expected to include the completion of the flyovers on the Foreshore and a proposed new road named Granger Bay Boulevard which would connect traffic from the Green Point circle to the site of the proposed stadium and from there connect to Beach Road.

City head of transport, Medezy Mazaza, said that the the flyover completion and the proposed Granger Bay Boulevard were all part of the city's Transport Impact Assessment.

She said the assessment is currently under way and the draft report should be available for public comment by June. She said that previous estimates to complete the flyovers sat at between R300-million and R500-million.

She added that because it was a national and provincial road, funding would come from all three spheres of government.

The Granger Bay Boulevard is also part of the assessment and Mazaza said that they were currently only working with a conceptual plan.

She added that the plan did not provide specific detail of the road and whether it would include bridges and other features.

The proposed site also needed to be finalised and and an assessment was needed as to how much the road would be used after the World Cup.

The estimated cost based on the conceptual plan stands at around R23-million. "This cost will be shared among the city, the province and the V&A Waterfront," she said.

Comment:
every second line..ok im exaggerating, we read the three spheres of government will pay the 3 spheres of gov will pay the three spheres of gov will pay...while im all for the project..it does seem as if there is a real push from government as much as from FIFA to get this whole project going..let me remind you that the london olympic staidum alone will cost [B]5-7 billion rand alone!! at the end of the day it seems like the "cost" of the stadium is not an issue for government..whats up with that?

dysan1

April 2nd, 2006, 10:57 PM

Mo Rush

April 2nd, 2006, 11:45 PM

dont forget our cost in SA are far far lower than they would be in the uk. We can build the wembly stadium for half its cost here due to labour and building costs being far lower. BUT, i read another article today, that stated that government will help the cities out, but the cities will need to source the bulk of the cash, or find reasons why the government should cover more

yeah i def know our costs are much much lower, my point was that...if they saying 3 billion today and 4 billion tomorrow...thats scary in comparison to construction costs abroad...i remember the olympic stadium for the 2004 bid in 1997 was something ridiculous like 156 million, if im not mistaken...

regarding PE stadium...newspaper says the construction is set to start soon as there was an article of an old white man saying good bye to the boat erasmus stadium which will be replaced with the new stadium

if other cities cant complete their stadia..durban will prob use the rugby stadium..or isnt that a bit silly? seeing that they so close to each other? newlands and athlone stadium would stand as good back ups...i dont think we wud run short on stadia as such....

Durbsboi

April 3rd, 2006, 10:10 AM

if other cities cant complete their stadia..durban will prob use the rugby stadium..or isnt that a bit silly? seeing that they so close to each other? .... Not really, the world would obvousily known by that time we didnt complete our stadium so there will be no need to hide our embrassment (not saying that we wont complete it), plus Kingspark wont hold the riquired capacity to host a semi, so not sure if they will host the semi's prob just round robben games up to quaters, the rugby pitch is nothing to worry about, the groundsmen in Kings Park said they can sew a synthetic pitch in to the grass that will make the field into a carpet like texture which will be ideal for soccer & which is also approved for FIFA.

dysan1

April 3rd, 2006, 02:19 PM

Mo Rush

April 3rd, 2006, 11:50 PM

Northern Cape to go ahead with building of stadium
April 03, 2006, 16:45

The Northern Cape government will proceed with its plans to build a new soccer stadium despite having lost the bid to host some of the 2010 World Cup soccer matches.

The stadium will probably help to ease the pressure on the Galeshewe stadium which mainly utilised by township football teams, as they say they don't have any other place to play. A sport department official has however poured cold water over the claims saying that the government is committed to render sporting facilities to communities.

Kimberley was one of the cities earmarked to host some of the matches during the 2010 World Cup but it lost out. However the government is hoping to lobby some teams including Holland, if they qualify, to be based in Kimberley. Now plans are underway to upgrade the 12 000 seater Absa Park stadium into a 20 000 seater. A R470 million stadium will also be build next to Galeshewe township. An official from the provincial sport department says that facilities are there, it's only that people should learn to share facilities.

Just next to town lies Galeshewe township. Residents complain that they are not being taken care of when it comes to sporting facilities and they say they cannot afford to pop out money in order to use stadium belonging to the municipality. Day in day out, soccerites, young and old cram into the Galeshewe stadium for a game or a work-out. They now appeal to government to build them stadiums.

Meanwhile Bereng Kholoane of the department of sport in the Northern Cape says they are already busy as government to make sure that professional teams come to play their matches in Kimberley, as they have committed themselves to utilise the new stadium even after 2010.
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Durbsboi

April 4th, 2006, 08:29 AM

mo was saying that Kings Park could host games to make up for another cities failure to be ready...the soccer stadium will still be used, therefore 2 stadia. But i dont think that will ever be allowed to happen, all stadia will be ready
Oh sorry didnt read the comment properly, yeh you right that will never happen, all stadia should be completed. Other wise they can use that other stadium...in Umlazi, it holds like 3500 ppl or something, I know the capacity is a joke, but belive it or not it has the best pitch drainage in the whole country!
It can be pissing down with rain, but the pitch will not absorb all the moisture.

Mo Rush

April 4th, 2006, 08:28 PM

Hey hey...two of the bidding teams for the stadium that i am in contact with made the shortlist which is really cool, so the deadlines continue, things are apparently hectic behind the scenes but things look good, BUT...revel fox and partners withdrew from a bid team as they did not believe in the stadium...everyone is entitled to their own opinion..the CTICC was also a large risk with many pessismists..but today the venue remains fully booked until i dunno which year...

Mo Rush

April 4th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Oh sorry didnt read the comment properly, yeh you right that will never happen, all stadia should be completed. Other wise they can use that other stadium...in Umlazi, it holds like 3500 ppl or something, I know the capacity is a joke, but belive it or not it has the best pitch drainage in the whole country!
It can be pissing down with rain, but the pitch will not absorb all the moisture.

that is sO so true..the same can be said for the cricket fields/rugby fields in greenpoint adjacent to the new stadium, it has the best drainage system and is one of the best if not the best playing field in the country...confirmed by a few people..lets hope the stadium's drainage will be GREAT...but it SOO doesnt matter..when we gots this like huge sliding roof..woohooo..durban start building ur stadium!!!

Mo Rush

April 4th, 2006, 11:04 PM

A major new linking road between the Green Point traffic circle and Beach Road opposite the western end of the Waterfront is an essential part of planning for the proposed African Renaissance Stadium.

Mo Rush

April 10th, 2006, 03:25 AM

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/614/soccercity20103sj.jpg

makoppa

April 10th, 2006, 08:15 AM

http://www.mvfc.com.au/_content/video/00000026-source.wmv

Durbsboi

April 10th, 2006, 08:33 AM

^^That stadium looks like crap

makoppa

April 10th, 2006, 08:52 AM

^^That stadium looks like crap
Actually, for a smallish stadium that has a 4 lane 50m pool (and has a transparent roof to help the grass grow in MELB's rainy climate), I rather liked it. But hey 100 000 seaters is your goal... :)

Durbsboi

April 10th, 2006, 08:54 AM

^^ not really, dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with small stadiums, I;m use to them, being in Durban & all :) Its just the overall design, melb has such unique & cool stadiums, but this one is like the ugly duckling, lets hope it can prove me wrong when its built & become a swan hey, well thats how the story goes anyway.

makoppa

April 10th, 2006, 09:11 AM

Liked your design for The New Stadium in Durban :eek2:

Durbsboi

April 10th, 2006, 09:32 AM

thanx

Mo Rush

April 10th, 2006, 12:56 PM

http://www.mvfc.com.au/_content/video/00000026-source.wmv
i already have that on my laptop thanks.

Mo Rush

April 11th, 2006, 05:28 PM

U.S. Is Ready to Step In if World Cup Plans Fizzle
GRAHAME L. JONES
April 11, 2006

When Colombia failed to get its act together in time to stage the 1986 World Cup, FIFA quickly moved the tournament to Mexico.

Twenty years later, that precedent remains a tantalizing prospect.

ADVERTISEMENT
What if South Africa stumbles in its efforts to stage the 2010 World Cup? What if Brazil is financially unable to play host to the tournament in 2014?

Would world soccer's governing body move either of those events to the United States?

It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

Already there have been uneasy rumblings out of South Africa over that country's preparedness to stage the 32-team tournament in four years.

In March, there were warnings that South Africa would not be able to beam the World Cup to the world without a massive and costly upgrade of its digital television transmission network.

Then, just last week, Helen Zille, the mayor of Cape Town, questioned whether her city could afford its $165-million contribution toward a new stadium when there were so many homeless in the city.

World Cup organizers dismissed such fears but there are sure to be many more hiccups on the road to Africa's first World Cup.

In Brazil, meanwhile, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the country's president, has assured the Brazilian soccer federation of "all the backing necessary" for the World Cup in 2014.

But Brazil might not be able to afford what it takes to put on the tournament. Soccer-loving Brazil, a five-time world champion, does not even have suitable stadiums, let alone everything else needed.

All of which is why the U.S. is watching and waiting.

The memory of 1994, when the U.S. staged the best-attended and most profitable World Cup in history, lingers at FIFA headquarters in Switzerland, and returning the tournament to these shores 20 years later is an increasingly appealing option.

dysan1

April 11th, 2006, 09:54 PM

Yes once again the USA is the world's savior...

Harkeb

April 12th, 2006, 01:22 AM

and they might be licking their lips even more so with this latest...

Stadium fight may go to court
11/04/2006 22:11 - (SA)

Cape Town - A packed meeting on Tuesday evening voiced concern, including litigation, about a proposed Green Point stadium catering for Cape Town's 2010 Soccer World Cup ambitions.

"The entire process will be subjected to a long and drawn out process in the courts... (and) no sod will be turned," said David Polovin, a member of the Green Point coalition and ratepayers association.

Tuesday's meeting was the first public forum gathering called by independent consultants conducting an environmental impact assessment (EIA).

The assessment will look at the impact of the proposed 68 000 seat stadium, as well as the proposed Granger Bay boulevard, an urban park and associated electricity infrastructure.

Among the possible identified impacts were those affecting stormwater management, aesthetics, noise, public transport, waste management and public transport.

Polovin, one of a number of individuals, including apartheid era chemical warfare expert Dr Wouter Basson, members of football and athletics clubs, ratepayers associations and body corporates to attend to the meeting - said to applause that it seemed as if the development was being presented as a "fait accompli".

Polovin said the coalition was not rushing into anything and was gathering facts.
"The only democratic defence that is open to us is that of fighting for our lives through the court" , denying they were holding the country to ransom.

Bob Goebel, chairperson of the Probus Association of the Western Cape, gave a double-edged compliment, praising the presentation as "highly professional, beautifully put. I almost said a con job".

He was one of several on the evening who raised concerns about why the centrally-located Culemborg site, approved for the city's 2004 Olympic bid, or Wingfield, was not considered for the new multi-purpose stadium.

JP Smit, a councillor in the area, said it was imperative for the EIA to be broadened so that it looked at alternative venues.

He also proposed that temporary stands be seriously considered, which could be packed off to other areas, such as Khayelitsha, when needed.

Green Point was controversially chosen ahead of the Newlands and Athlone stadiums, despite not being officially punted in government's initial bidding book to Fifa.

Earlier, city officials went through the process leading up to site being identified by Fifa officials.

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Teral Cullen, the city's 2010 local organising committee director, said the city was committed to hosting a semi-final match, with continental hopes of hosting another soccer world cup falling to Africa only after 2034.

She said some 300 000 international visitors, and an additional 100 000 African country non-ticket holders were expected, contributing about R21bn to South Africa's gross domestic product.

Ron Haiden, a city transport official, said the plan was to get 80% of the people to use public transport by 2010, with "reasonable walking distances" between the stadium and city transport nodes encouraged.

His suggestion that Cape Town has one of Africa's best inner-city railway networks was ridiculed, with one, interjecting after an old woman related how her friend was recently mugged, saying to suppressed laughter that "you can't walk to the stadium" because of crime.

The submission of the final environmental impact report was scheduled for the end of July.

Durbsboi

April 12th, 2006, 09:57 AM

USA's arse, if anyone should host the world cup if any of the hosts arnt ready its should be the country that held it before, like what they do with the cricket, so if we not ready, Germany should host it, or if Brazil aint ready we should host it again.

The only crowd they'll get in states is drunken NFL fans who'll coem to the game thinking is a 'football' game only to see them kick the ball for the whole game, thinking when the hell are they gonna make a touch down!

dysan1

April 12th, 2006, 10:02 AM

Finally the residents of greenpoint have made their mark! Who on earth would want a massive stadium in their backyard? As i've said countless times, its the wrong site!

Durbsboi

April 12th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Ok, So here in Durbs we have shotrtlisted 5 firms to design the stadium, how long you think they will take? or whens the deadline?

dysan1

April 12th, 2006, 11:45 AM

Mo Rush

April 12th, 2006, 12:53 PM

hehe i might be able to get juicy info...my dad's part of one of the shortlisted groups...

Designing takes place now, up to this point no designs were created, it was merely showcasing the abilities of the candidates and the projects they have already completed.

Announcement of the design and winner is in early July.

thats cool..someone on the inside in durban...its weird though cape town groups have already drawn up concepts...which are pretty cool...except for some which are JUSt dull!! keep us informed dysan.

Mo Rush

April 12th, 2006, 02:08 PM

spose good news. my uncle (like my mothers brother) is the transport planner for the world cup..in cape town...which is good..but also weird..at least we will know who to blame if traffic is a a big issue..over and out...

Durbsboi

April 12th, 2006, 04:07 PM

Mo Rush

April 12th, 2006, 08:29 PM

lol, hate to be him, if those bloody taxi's start causing crap.
hate to be him in general..planning those highways and the new light rail..btw legal action against the development of the cape town stadium might begin soon...soooo the stadium is not looking too good right now eventhough things are moving fast...but its only like 350 people!! who are against it and pitched up for the meeting....

Mo Rush

April 16th, 2006, 06:12 PM

Greenpoint is out. Culemborg is in. The stadium plan B will come into action if the greenpoint option is not found suitable.

http://www.stadiumct.com/photo_gallery/images/stadium_big.jpg

http://www.stadiumct.com/photo_gallery/images/site_layout.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_v3.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_top.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_v1.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_v2.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad2_v1.jpg

http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad2_v3.jpg
http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad2_v4.jpg

Stadium: City reveals its Plan B Igsaan Salie 16 April, 2006 Sunday Argus
Culemborg, the large commercial site on the Cape Town Foreshore, is being considered as an alternative to the controversial choice of Green Point for Cape Town's main stadium for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.
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dysan1

April 16th, 2006, 06:26 PM

took them long enough to realise the problems with greenpoint...god who did the prelim studies? and u were all for greenpoint too mo...

Mo Rush

April 16th, 2006, 07:02 PM

took them long enough to realise the problems with greenpoint...god who did the prelim studies? and u were all for greenpoint too mo...

i am all for greenpoint still..however culemborg also received my support in a previous thread. I was not aware that the site was still available, after the previous mayoress said she had "other ideas" for the site if i remember correctly.

if the stadium is at culemborg id support it fully. wingfield too..seeing that i would get a nice view of the stadium :)...and would be within a 3 minute drive of the stadium..heck i could even used public transport to the stadium if its at wingfield or culemborg..it could be quite an experience.

dysan1

April 16th, 2006, 07:19 PM

Mo Rush

April 16th, 2006, 07:26 PM

Well i'd be the first person to say well done to the CT commitee if they tok their heads out the sand and moved the venue...just makes me wonder how much planning has gone into this stadium if they still doing studies find the site...

well the plan is

1. greenpoint is the preferred site...the selection of which specific plot
A the golf course
B the current dodgy stadium site
this was always part of the process
2. the consideration of alternatives is part of the process as well if the greenpoint site falls through..i.e. neiter A or B will be good enough
3. any stadium goes through a phase where by alternative sites are looked at even if its just part of the process and a legality that has to be carried out.
4.it made front page of the sunday argus...at least things are happening now instead of later in the year...2 years to build a stadium ouch

any news on the durban stadium..cant durbs start building yesterday already seeing that all the studies were carried out ages ago? id suggest using all the planning u have and building ur stadium starting tuesday...its only for the best i think

as for planning..well there hasnt been any planning regarding the green point site...its because it came as a suprise to many people...FIFA demanded the greenpoint site and the studies being carried out now are the actual studies in relation to this demand...it wasnt something planned ahead.. FIFA said we want green point..and then the chaos started unfortunately.

dysan1

April 16th, 2006, 07:36 PM

The durban site has completed all the studies, they need to select the prefered bidder and complete their negociations with transnet for the transmodel hub.

dysan1

April 16th, 2006, 08:00 PM

Here's the Durban programme of deadlines

Issue the EM Stadium EOI for Consultant Consortia 19 Feb 06

Closing date for submission of queries 24 Feb 06

Submission date for EOI Stage 1: Consultant Consortium 17 Mar 06

Announcement of short-listed parties eligible for the RFP Stage 2: Consultant Consortium 31 Mar 06

Submission date for RFP Stage 2 participants : Consultant Consortium 28 April 06

Interviews date for RFP Stage 2 participants: Consultant Consortium 5 May 06

Announcement of the appointed Consultant Consortium 15 May 06

Initiation Workshop 19 May 06

Approval of Stage 2 Concept Design 23 Jun 06

Approval of Stage 3 Design Development 28 Jul 06

Preparation of Stage 4 Construction and Tender Documentation Aug – Sep 06 incl.

PBC Tender period 29 Sep – 20 Oct 06

PBC Adjudication and Award 23 Oct – 10 Nov 06

Site Handover to PBC 13 Nov 06

PBC Contract Completion (inclusive of 63 days delays & inclement weather) 30 Nov 08

Handover of Completed Stadium Complex 03 Dec 08

Mo Rush

April 16th, 2006, 09:40 PM

mike2005

April 17th, 2006, 01:01 AM

well according to the London sunday times the world cup in SA might not go ahead anyway.

Mo Rush

April 17th, 2006, 01:38 AM

well according to the London sunday times the world cup in SA might not go ahead anyway.
yeah i read that horrible article along with some others...london should watch what they say not too long ago they had to withdraw from hosting an athletics championship because they couldn't get a dam stadium built in time.

Cigar

April 17th, 2006, 10:22 AM

yeah i read that horrible article along with some others...london should watch what they say not too long ago they had to withdraw from hosting an athletics championship because they couldn't get a dam stadium built in time.

Let's not even mention Wembley - isn't that just the epitome of organisation. Chronically over budget and a good couple of months late....

Mo Rush

April 17th, 2006, 01:18 PM

Let's not even mention Wembley - isn't that just the epitome of organisation. Chronically over budget and a good couple of months late....
and as we all know we cudda built that stadium in cape town for a quarter of the price in half the time.

dysan1

April 17th, 2006, 02:29 PM

They bad mouth us cos we are africa and they feel that they can with no recourse. but as you guys have pointed out, their organisational skills leave alot to be desired...frankly, they are useless, so they should stop pointing fingers to try and divert attention from their own useless ability

Durbsboi

April 18th, 2006, 03:00 PM

London press are full of crap, the whole world knows that, they just start tales & hope they blow up into proportion, I see it all the time with their soocer league. Thats just how the british media is, & the dumb pompies love it! they love to hear rumors & crap like that.

Harkeb

April 20th, 2006, 06:42 AM

Are there any latest, genuine stadium designs for CT & Durbs yet?

dysan1

April 20th, 2006, 10:46 AM

nope. the designs are being formulated now that the bidders have been shortlisted

Durbsboi

April 20th, 2006, 12:35 PM

so how long till we have da formula!!!

Mo Rush

April 20th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Are there any latest, genuine stadium designs for CT & Durbs yet?
some concepts...ive seen some..ill try and get some images..but prob not possible soon...

heavyzakura334

April 21st, 2006, 08:38 AM

Is this one getting built? cuz if it is, then I am voing thisone my #1 of all time:
http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_v2.jpg

Durbsboi

April 21st, 2006, 09:53 AM

I doubt it will get built, Cape Town want a retractable roof, & that doesnt have one, plus even if they wanted to put a roof on it, it will be a ball buster of a job with that curved roof.

Mo Rush

April 21st, 2006, 01:49 PM

Is this one getting built? cuz if it is, then I am voing thisone my #1 of all time:
http://www.dimensionmodeling.com/gallery/gallery_054/stad1_v2.jpg
no this wont get built it was a proposal to use the culemborg site but was turned down by the previous mayor...emailed the company who proposed this...seems very ironic that their plan might be used now,

zee

April 22nd, 2006, 01:38 AM

^^ that is a nice lookin stadium

TEBC

April 23rd, 2006, 03:44 PM

where can i found pics form constructions?

Durbsboi

April 24th, 2006, 08:32 AM

Mo Rush

April 24th, 2006, 11:16 AM

Well construction wont begin for a while, we have to wait for final designs. Yesterdays paper had a section on the KZN budget, it mentioned that the Durban stadium will be one that must rival the likes of WEMBLEY! either they gone mad, or they gonna pull the biggest rabbit out of their hat! Maybe Dysan1 can tell us more?
well there u go durbs has the idea of wembley and cape town has the designers of wembley for their stadium...at the end of the day we'll have a country of top notch stadia...bring it on!!

Durbsboi

April 24th, 2006, 12:01 PM

^^Lets hope it happens!

vimal69

April 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM

^^Lets hope it happens!

Didnt Wembly cost somthing like R8Billion,
where is SA gonna get money from FIFA like that when they play so badly!

Mo Rush

April 24th, 2006, 06:01 PM

Didnt Wembly cost somthing like R8Billion,
where is SA gonna get money from FIFA like that when they play so badly!

What? south africa stadia will be built for max of about 2 billion..wembley could have been constructed in south africa for half the cost.

dysan1

April 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM

i wouldnt trust those wembley designers mo....

Mo Rush

April 24th, 2006, 09:11 PM

i wouldnt trust those wembley designers mo....
I thought u might say that...the guy who came up with the arch concept is on the cape town stadium team..not the construction company or multiplex or whoever...just the idea of an arch was inspired by him....or what u mean?

dysan1

April 24th, 2006, 09:27 PM

but i thought they only had a short list...

Mo Rush

April 24th, 2006, 09:30 PM

but i thought they only had a short list...
no two companies were selected to carry out initial planning..the shortlist for the design will probably come after that or something..

Durbsboi

April 25th, 2006, 07:56 AM

Well, I hope the designs are good, not some shit arse stadium & then to make it look pretty they throw an arch over it.

Durbsboi

April 25th, 2006, 09:58 AM

Dont know if this article was posted already,

World Cup 2010 already dwarfing World Cup 2006 in terms of revenue
Wednesday, 12 April 2006
FIFA president Sepp Blatter said today that deals for the 2010 World Cup to be held in South Africa are already 25% bigger than the deals done for the World Cup to take place in Germany this summer.

"The market trusts Africa," Blatter said. "The contracts we have already signed for 2010, they are higher than the contracts for 2006 in Germany - about 25 percent."

Agreements with five strategic partners for 2010 are already valued at more than 1 billion Swiss francs (about $770 million) which dwarfs the 850 million francs done for 2006 with 15 companies.

FIFA won't go into too much detail because partnership deals are concluded on terms of confidentiality. A new, sixth tier sponsor for the 2007-2014 period is also expected.

"They don't know who is going to play in Africa, because the qualification is not made, but they trust Africa" Sepp Blatter went on.

this is great news for South Africa and is sure to spur on Danny Jordaan to make sure he doesn't mess it all up. Egg on face would be an understatement if he can't get this to work.

Source : http://www.worldcup2010southafrica.com

skies no limit

April 25th, 2006, 11:14 AM

Hi Guys Seems like you know what you're talking about but please explain costs of building a stadium: I estimate say for 80 000 spectators = roughly 80 000 square metres of construction at say R20 000 per square = R1,6 billion plus allow double that same again for hidden work, support for stands, players and media facilities makes R3,2 billion? A good estimate?

Mo Rush

April 26th, 2006, 08:10 PM

Site options:

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/4900/stadium19nz.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/792/stadium28ub.jpg

TRANSPORT

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3003/transport20106bl.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3204/transport201023tb.jpg

Not the actual stadium but a view...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7973/stadiumview13qb.jpg

GRANGER BOULEVARD
(uh like my idea)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5458/grangerboulevard9in.jpg

Mo Rush

April 27th, 2006, 04:04 PM

It will be nice for CT to get a stadium like the Telstra dome that way if ur'll get ur ball buster winds there, ur'll can always close the roof...........BUT do ur'll have that kind of Electricity to open & close the roof????????????????????????????
:rofl: just imagine the opening ceremony, the wind starts to swirl in & around the stadium, the deco is blowing everywhere, so they decide to close the roof, then as its half way thru the power go's! the whole of CT is in the dark again!

I think we need a stadium like that in durbs, that way we can play indoor cricki with our tropical weather whether it rains or not! & it will be a magnate for bands to have concerts there.

New power substations will be built...with the current electricity demand new electrical infrastructure will be necessary with a new stadium...a full evaluation has been done of the stadium including noise, wind etc...

its available here at www.enviropartnership.co.za and should be on the cape town gov 2010 site soon...

from the report "The upgrading of the electrical infrastructure needed to supply the Central Business District has been earmarked prior to the proposed re-development of Green Point stadium. The new Stadium would require an additional 10 mega volt amps load of power. The existing electricity distribution network is not equipped to supply this demand and will therefore require upgrading. The proposal is therefore to upgrade the Montague Gardens, Foreshore, Roggebaai and Koeberg Road Substations. A new substation will also be required at the new stadium. This upgrade also entails the installation of underground electrical high voltage cables from Montague Gardens to the upgraded substations and stadium site."

Durbsboi

April 27th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Is it just me, or does that stadium look similar to my design?

Mo Rush

April 27th, 2006, 11:23 PM

Is it just me, or does that stadium look similar to my design?
that stadium is leipzig zentralstadion.

Durbsboi

April 30th, 2006, 11:49 PM

HA? lickmesideways stadium?

Mo Rush

May 1st, 2006, 03:19 AM

Fifa bow to pressure to allocate more seats for 2010.

Denis Campbell
Sunday April 30, 2006
The Observer

Fans of countries playing at the World Cup will get more tickets at future tournaments after Fifa vowed to scrap its controversial practice of giving teams just 8 per cent of the seats at their matches. Stung by a growing backlash across Europe against the unfairness of its existing ticket allocation system, Fifa will heed growing calls for change by increasing the proportion going to each of the 32 finalists.

Exactly how many more tickets supporters will get has yet to be decided. But a senior Fifa source told Observer Sport: 'The entire ticketing policy for the World Cup will be reviewed and revised after Germany. There's a genuine interest to increase the 8 per cent that goes to each of the 32 countries taking part. There will be a shift in the allocation of tickets going to different segments of the market which will increase the 8 per cent. That 8 per cent figure will go up. I'm certain that will be the case.'

Fifa president Sepp Blatter has acknowledged that ticketing arrangements for Germany have caused repeated problems and left ordinary fans frustrated. While each team was only guaranteed 8 per cent, Fifa's sponsors will share 16 per cent, while a further 11 per cent are being sold as part of hospitality packages.

'Blatter wants to make a better distribution of tickets for the public at large for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa onwards, including raising the eight per cent allocation to teams' supporters,' said a source close to the Fifa boss.

However, whatever higher figure Fifa chooses is bound to disappoint fans, who want the majority of tickets to be divided between them. Mark Perryman of the official England supporters club englandfans said each team should get 30 per cent. Fifa officials point out that their 15 sponsors' contracts - which include the right to buy 25,000 tickets each for the World Cup - help keep ticket prices low for ordinary fans and generate funds to develop the game worldwide.

Last week Observer Sport reported how senior figures in English and European football, such as England head coach Sven-Goran Eriksson, Premier League chief Richard Scudamore and players' union boss Gordon Taylor, see 8 per cent as far too little. Uefa, by contrast, give each side at the European Championship 18 per cent of the tickets.

Fifa has been coming under pressure from the media in several European countries, notably Italy, Holland and Germany, to make more tickets available to ordinary fans, especially of the 32 teams taking part. Fan groups have also begun to mobilise around the issue. Blatter is likely to face questions on the issue when he visits London on 8 May as most of the 100,000 England fans expected to travel to Germany will not have tickets.

Even Franz Beckenbauer, the president of Germany's 2006 World Cup Organising Committee, seems to sympathise with the growing demands for change. Last week he raised the spectre that some games in Germany may not be full because the tournament's 15 sponsors, including Coca-Cola and McDonald's, have not used all their 16 per cent allocation, a figure many believe is unnecessarily high. 'I hope the sponsors make the most of their tickets,' he told Germany's Tagesspiegel, adding that he expected the 12 stadiums to be 'more than 90 per cent full' because of no-shows from those with sponsors' tickets.

Fifa will be helped in making changes by the fact that it is regaining control over ticketing for 2012, after major tension with the 2006 Organising Committee, and reducing its number of sponsors from 15 to six. Those six may want fewer than the 490,000 seats which firms such as Adidas and Budweiser have been allowed to buy for Germany.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of extra seats that have unexpectedly become available for the 64 games in Germany will be put on sale to fans tomorrow at www.fifaworldcup.com at 11am British time. They are returns from national football associations who are not competing in Germany, unsold seats from the hospitality programme and others freed up by the finalisation of exact seating plans for the 12 World Cup stadiums.

2006 Organising Committee spokesman Stephan Eiermann said the new seats were likely to include a small number for England's Group B games against Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago and Sweden. 'There will be some more tickets available for fans to buy on a first come, first served basis, but we won't know the exact number available until Monday,' he said.

Fifa is bracing itself for the publication this week of Foul!, a new book by renowned investigative journalist Andrew Jennings, which promises to expose bribery, vote-rigging, ticketing scandals and other corruption involving senior figures in the game's global governing body.

Additional reporting by Luke Harding in Berlin

Mo Rush

May 1st, 2006, 02:54 PM

Scoping report for Green Point allays fears

By Dominique Herman

Only the portion of the Green Point Common where the proposed 68 000-seater multi-purpose stadium will be located will be rezoned from public open space to a community facilities zone, according to the draft scoping report published for public comment last week.

This allows for gatherings but prohibits the construction of housing.

The report acts as the first stage of the project's environmental impact assessment.

The clarification should allay the concern many of the area's residents have had since the planning for the stadium began over whether the council would bundle commercial and residential development with the stadium's construction.

Director of the city's World Cup 2010 office, Teral Cullen, responded to a written inquiry by the Cape Times after the first public meeting almost three weeks ago, that there was a difference between the title deed and the zoning scheme.

"The title deed allows sports and recreational use on the common, but the zoning is public open space. In terms of this, no buildings are allowed except ancillary buildings such as club houses and ablution facilities, and only with consent of council.

She said: "The proposed stadium building is classified as a place of assembly. Such a building is only permitted in the community facilities zone with the consent of council. This is in line with similar stadium facilities in Cape Town such as (the Newlands rugby and cricket stadiums). No housing is allowed in a community facilities zone."

Cullen added that the rezoning would apply only to the physical extent of the stadium. The rest of the common would remain public open space. A separate public participation process would take place where residents could raise concerns regarding the rezoning.

During his presentation at the public meeting, the city council's manager of urban design, Cedric Daniels, said the council would seek to "minimise the hard urban landscape that is historically green".

"We shouldn't be promoting additional structures on the common," he said.

Whether the proposed stadium would increase wind funnelling or whether the design of the building could withstand harsh wind conditions, were but two points from one of eight identified areas requiring specialist investigation, according to the report.

"The proposed new stadium could have an influence on existing immediate wind patterns in the area which could have a negative impact on surrounding structures and pedestrian movement," it said.

Other specialist studies to be investigated included heritage, archaeology, visual impact, socio-economic impact, transport, geotechnology and noise.

"If not properly designed, the stadium itself could act as a loudspeaker," the report said.

View the report at the Sea Point, Camps Bay and Cape Town Central libraries, or at www.enviropartnership.co.za

Comments may be submitted before May 18 to Rashieda Thomas or Carmen du Toit at the The Environmental Partnership, PO Box 945, Cape Town 8000. Tel 021 422 0999; Fax 021 422-0998; enviropart @icon. co.za.

* This article was originally published on page 5 of The Cape Times on May 01, 2006

romanSA

May 2nd, 2006, 11:21 AM

I think this is a good appointment. Seeming lack of soccer knowledge aside, she's high profile and professional. A good (global) face for communications about 2010.

Hopefully this will also mean we will get stadium info faster!!

---------------

'World Cup 2010 can be the best ever'
Jermaine Craig
May 02 2006 at 08:35AM

'African. World class. No distinction." Those are the words Fifa 2010 World Cup chief executive Danny Jordaan uses often when he envisages what the tournament in South Africa will be like in four years' time.

They are also words which quite fittingly describe the new communications manager for the SA 2010 Local Organising Committee (LOC), Tumi Makgabo.

Makgabo made a name for herself locally as a newsreader for the SABC, before moving on to become a prime-time CNN anchor for five years in the competitive American television market.

She pulled off the CNN job with aplomb and was an accomplished ambassador who showed just what South Africans are capable of internationally.

Publicly, anyway, Jordaan has been a one-man publicity machine
Still, Makgabo's appointment - directly by Jordaan - as 2010 communications manager came as a surprise and has raised a few eyebrows.

Makgabo, after all, has no previous football-related experience and is operating in a politically charged environment that often makes the likes of Zumagate seem like child's play.

Given her profile, Makgabo's appointment was always going to come in for some scrutiny, but in an interview with The Star in Johannesburg this week she gave the impression that it could be a shrewd appointment.

If there's a criticism that can be levelled at SA's 2010 LOC, it's that since South Africa was announced as World Cup host last year, the LOC has been deadly quiet and information about preparations for the event has filtered out in drips and drabs.

Publicly, anyway, Jordaan has been a one-man publicity machine, and, given his hectic schedule, that machine has ground information out very slowly.

'It's important that we hold our heads high as a country and say we did it'
Even when the 2010 World Cup venues were released, they were sprung without warning on an unsuspecting public.

Makgabo, who stressed that hers is a temporary appointment up for review at the end of the year, acknowledges that communication has been one of the LOC's biggest failings.

"We have not been able to give people a lot of information. There has not been an awful lot of information to provide. Once we found out we got it (the World Cup), people wanted to see action immediately.

"But we've now signed the host-cities agreement and we're hoping to start having regular conversations with the media and the public.

"In terms of me as Tumi Makgabo, my agreement with the LOC is an interim one - it's not through to 2010.

"They've asked me to help out with a number of things, such as the unveiling of South Africa's 2010 emblem during the German World Cup. I will also look at how we can provide access to information to a number of people on a number of levels, such as looking at corporate opportunities and how they can be utilised, as well as looking at Joe Bloggs, who wants to know what's happening," said Makgabo.

She is under no illusion about the enormity of the task that lies ahead but is also confident in SA's ability to host a successful, memorable World Cup.

"South Africa, or Africa for that matter, has never hosted anything of this magnitude before. It's a huge but exciting project. But people are champing at the bit, saying 'We're ready, we're ready, we're ready'. That's great.

"There's such enthusiasm and I'm convinced we have the expertise and a broad enough pool of people to help us steer the bumpy road that this is going to be," she said.

For now, infrastructure is the most pressing World Cup priority, and the construction phase needs to start sooner rather than later.

The LOC, however, still has to get the right people in place to address issues such as telecommunications, information technology, safety and security, transport, accommodation and ticketing.

Makgabo estimates that about 200 people will eventually be employed by the 2010 LOC, but a little worryingly, just a month before Germany 2006, several directors' positions advertised weeks ago have yet to be filled.

Still, Makgabo stresses the importance of "getting the right mechanisms and structures in place" to guide what will be a difficult process.

Having worked in America for a considerable length of time, she knows the skewed perceptions foreigners have of "darkest Africa" and feels the 2010 World Cup will provide an opportunity to put a few of those warped perceptions to rest once and for all.

"There's the age-old question of 'it's Africa, what can Africa do?' People immediately think we don't have phones. We don't have radios. That it's difficult to get from one city to the other and that we live in perpetual fear. That we don't understand technology or the global corporate environment. That we're at any moment about to erupt into civil war. That kind of thinking is fundamentally damaging.

"The 2010 World Cup provides a chance to show what's going on in South Africa and to show that, yes, there's wildlife and game farms, but that there's also all these other things we have to offer.

"That's exciting, to engage people at that level. I know we can do it. That we can have a successful World Cup, dare I say it, the best one ever," said Makgabo.

And, in addition to the outside world, she feels the World Cup will also provide South Africans with a gamut of opportunities and a chance to take renewed pride in their country.

"What is really exciting for me is, yes, it's football in 2010, but it also provides such a huge opportunity for us as a country. Social development, the building of networks within communities that will continue beyond 2010.

"It's in our best interests that we do it right. It's important that we hold our heads high as a country and say we did it, we rose to expectations and we exceeded them," Makgabo added.

This article was originally published on page 6 of The Star on May 02, 2006

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=2822&art_id=vn20060502004004505C722404

Mo Rush

May 2nd, 2006, 07:01 PM

tumi saves the day ....yay...im a bit scared for the emblem ....i hope its not cliche...i hope its just simple and unique..

Mo Rush

May 5th, 2006, 02:47 PM

soccer city in 2010 is gonna be insane...a second tier...105,000 people in total..madness...awesome..]

well will look better than my attempts at adding a second tier...but add a roof..and awesome acoustics and u got a stadium thats roof cud blow off during the world cup final

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7057/telkomcharity03bigasa7fz.gif

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/8234/fnb011hjkg4ge.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3654/worldcupfinal20107dl.jpg

dysan1

May 6th, 2006, 12:03 PM

question: If they make soccer city big...will it ever be filled again? cos normally there are very few people there for most games..

Mo Rush

May 6th, 2006, 01:42 PM

question: If they make soccer city big...will it ever be filled again? cos normally there are very few people there for most games..
im not sure i really care..south africa needs a decent national stadium...its just horrible at the moment...

dysan1

May 6th, 2006, 09:06 PM

why do we "need" it? i dont see the point of some fancy stadium if it will be barely utilised to design capabilities

Durbsboi

May 7th, 2006, 12:18 AM

^^I'm sorry to say this dysan, but shut up! I want Soccer City to happen, its gonna be marvelous!

Mo Rush

May 7th, 2006, 12:58 AM

^^I'm sorry to say this dysan, but shut up! I want Soccer City to happen, its gonna be marvelous!
ure missing the point...its not in durban...

Mo Rush

May 7th, 2006, 01:23 AM

visit www.stadionwelt.de the image used for the "stadien" link is ellis park..pretty neat

dysan1

May 7th, 2006, 04:45 PM

ure missing the point...its not in durban...

Oh will u please shut the fuck up. I'm sure there are many people out there that cant see the point of a 100 000 seater stadium. Yeh it'll be all WOW for 2 full events but then what??? 5000 for a league game in a stadium that size is a joke.

They should dev it, modernise it, but make most of the seating temporary.

Big stadiums are great IF they used to capacity often, otherwise they become a financial drain. Hence why i question the point of expanding Athlone stadium if you getting another new stadium in Cape Town. These decisions make no sense.

You dont want to be athens! Great games, but debt that is crippling the countries economy, stadiums that are barely utilised and no real solution in sight...

So tell me i'm spoiling the party, but think along business lines and not your ego's.

Mo Rush

May 7th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Oh will u please shut the fuck up. I'm sure there are many people out there that cant see the point of a 100 000 seater stadium. Yeh it'll be all WOW for 2 full events but then what??? 5000 for a league game in a stadium that size is a joke.

They should dev it, modernise it, but make most of the seating temporary.

Big stadiums are great IF they used to capacity often, otherwise they become a financial drain. Hence why i question the point of expanding Athlone stadium if you getting another new stadium in Cape Town. These decisions make no sense.

You dont want to be athens! Great games, but debt that is crippling the countries economy, stadiums that are barely utilised and no real solution in sight...

So tell me i'm spoiling the party, but think along business lines and not your ego's.
Dont u just love it when this boy gets feisty...
so ok athlone 30,000 and a new 70,000 seater

durbs 52,000 kings park..and 70-100,000 new stadium..( right next door to each other) ...wheres the logic in that? oh i forgot they preparing the area for the olympic games..oh just like philldelphia believes they have a chance in hosting...attendance is really not as great as in other south african cities...u cant have bollywood events every week in the new stadium just so that its used....talk about white elephant in the making...

Durbsboi

May 8th, 2006, 09:37 AM

ure missing the point...its not in durban...
Mo as dysan said 'shut the fuck up' I dont care where it is, its a flippin brilliant stadium

Durbsboi

May 8th, 2006, 09:44 AM

Dont u just love it when this boy gets feisty...
so ok athlone 30,000 and a new 70,000 seater

durbs 52,000 kings park..and 70-100,000 new stadium..( right next door to each other) ...wheres the logic in that? oh i forgot they preparing the area for the olympic games..oh just like philldelphia believes they have a chance in hosting...attendance is really not as great as in other south african cities...u cant have bollywood events every week in the new stadium just so that its used....talk about white elephant in the making...
Uhh will some one tell this dumbass, that for the World Cup ONLY the stadium will seat 70 000, where by after the world cup, it will be reduced to 45 000, then IF Durbans gets the right to host the Olympics OR Common wealth games, then the stadium will be upgraded & extend to seat 100 000, get your facts straight Mo, Kings Park (ABSA Stadium) is going to be a RUGBY ONLY stadium once this new stadium is built, hence KINGS PARK will be like a Twickenham.

Oh & that pic of ellis park in the stadion website is the same pic, but hows those shots of Kings Park, AMAZING!

hsark

May 8th, 2006, 12:11 PM

intresting have u noticed that durban and cape town have zero soccer fans and that staduims only get packed when teams from joeys come to play ....just concerned of whats going to happen after the world cup and other sporting events ???

ps whats wrong with building the soccer staduim next to absa staduim(okay its a kak idea as it doesn't spread development but..) joburg has the same thing ellis park jhb staduim and ct newlands complex

Pule

May 8th, 2006, 12:29 PM

www.citypress.co.za

06/05/2006 20:38 - (SA)
Theatre of dreams evolves into reality

http://www.coolimagehosting.com/uploads/a819619f2d.jpg

PULE MOKHINE

SOCCER lovers can brace themselves for a new-look, state-of-the-art Soccer City stadium for the 2010 World Cup.

South Africa's home of soccer is set to undergo a revamp that will see the imposing venue situated in Crown Mines, Gauteng, increase its seating capacity to nearly 100 000.

To crown it all, the stadium has been designed in an isiNdebele calabash-like shape in order to provide the spectators with a real African feel.

Some people believe that the stadium will become South Africa's "theatre of dreams" once it is complete. According to Local Organising Commitee (LOC) chief excecutive Danny Jordaan, Soccer City stadium, which is expected to be the venue for the finals, is undergoing upgrading to reach world-class status.

Jordaan, who is working tirelessly to ensure the country hosts a successful global event in 2010, said the imposing stadium will hopefully be a tourist attraction as well.

"As Soccer City will house the plush Safa headquarters and become the venue for the finals, it is purely for this reason that its refurbishment is earmarked to increase its seating capacity from 70 000 to 98 000.

"A team of designers has been appointed for two years to look into the construction of the offices as the first phase," said Jordaan.

He said construction had already begun outside the stadium, whose offices will cost R60 million.

"The designers are hoping that the building of the structure will get under way in August in order for the stadium itself to be ready for use ahead of the Confederations Cup in 2009, a year before our world cup," he said.

Other stadiums earmarked for refurbishment are Greenpoint (Cape Town), King's Park Soccer (Ethekwini), Nelson Mandela (Port Elizabeth), Peter Mokaba (Polokwane) and Mbombela (Nelspruit).

"After initial hiccups regarding the new Western Cape municipality, the Cape Town city council has now agreed to create a special purpose vehicle to speed up the construction of a 68 000-seater stadium in time for the World Cup.

"The building is programmed to begin in November and will be completed in 2009," Jordaan said.

The LOC chief executive explained that the construction of King's Park, with 58 000 seats, would begin in November, and the Nelson Mandela stadium (60 000 capacity) would be ready by the end of 2008.

Polokwane, which takes about 48 000 spectators, is expected to be ready by November. Mbombela, which absorbs 50 000 fans, will have its preliminary design programme done, also in November.

"Venues such as Rustenburg, Loftus Versfeld, Ellis Park and Bloemfontein require minor upgrading and essentially the constuction of temporary facilities ," he said.

Jordaan said facilities for those venues would be planned towards the end of this year.

cladiv

May 8th, 2006, 12:37 PM

wow is that going to be built in Johannesburg?

Pule

May 8th, 2006, 01:03 PM

cladiv

May 8th, 2006, 02:02 PM

Yip, apparently the initial designs of the stadium were just for bid purposes, but the true designs are now coming it. Only 4 stadiums might keep their original designs. Well lets wait and see. I think we gonna see more than we burgined for, its just gonna go crazy. The world is gonna see what it has never seen before.

I see. I dont have the slightest doubt we will see beautiful stadia rising for the world cup. (The proposed on above is awesome IMO)
Even though the next World cup in Germany is approaching I am already looking forward to the 2010 edition, I am sure that will be one of the best ever with great infrastracture and passionate people! Go South Africa! :okay:

hsark

May 8th, 2006, 04:06 PM

woah sweet things are actually happening in joburg unlike some other cities where its all talk about whose got the biggest blah! blah!
thanks for the info pule
funny this staduim will look like the smaller version of the old fnd design but looks good ..good enough to be a main staduim for 2010*will try look for render asap*

Orlando Stadium
gets R200m facelift
http://www.joburg-archive.co.za/images_2006/may/orlandostadium2.jpg
As a training venue for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, Orlando Stadium is getting a massive upgrade that will benefit Joburg long after the football tournament has come and gone.

May 4, 2006

By Lucky Sindane

THE City has set aside R200-million for the upgrading of Orlando Stadium in Soweto ahead of the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup.

This was announced by Executive Mayor Amos Masondo at the launch of the redevelopment on Wednesday, 3 May.

Attending the event was the City manager, Mavela Dlamini, the newly appointed 2010 project manager, Sibongile Mazibuko, members of the mayoral committee and soccer legends who had played at Orlando Stadium during their football careers.

Executive mayor Amos Masondo with City officials and a host of soccer legends

Executive mayor Amos Masondo with City officials and a host of soccer legends

It is one of the training venues for the 2010 Soccer World Cup and is the home of premier soccer league club Moroka Swallows. The stadium celebrated its 47th birthday on 2 May.

"The stadium was built at a cost of £36 000; more than four decades later it is being built at a cost of R200-million," Masondo said. "This facility is going to be the biggest and the most sophisticated stadium in this residential area."

At present, the stadium can seat about 24 000 people. This capacity will be increased to 40 000 as part of the upgrades.
http://www.joburg-archive.co.za/images_2006/may/orlandostadium11.jpg
"Our intention is to make this facility a multi-purpose stadium. Apart from soccer it may also be used for rugby matches, netball, other sports activities and big events," the mayor explained.

Sid Clark, the City's deputy director for strategic support in the department of social development, said the stadium met all the Fifa requirements. "This will be the safest stadium - with no stairs, it will only have ramps. We have also provided 280 wheelchair facilities."

Work will start immediately and is expected to be completed by July 2008.

"The project has been conceptualised in such a way that it takes into account our commitment to use the pressure of the 2010 Soccer World Cup to ensure that a lasting legacy is left behind for the benefit of the residents of Johannesburg," Masondo said.

"When the soccer spectacle has come and gone there must be something of value that is there for all to see and point at … This project is part of the bigger programme of restoring the dignity of our people. We therefore have no intention of compromising on quality," he concluded.

Patson Banda, the former Orlando Pirates goalkeeper, said the stadium had a remarkable history. "We are happy to see it rising again.

Durbsboi

May 8th, 2006, 05:06 PM

That looks like a giant zulu beer bowl! its awesome, but I also loved the old design alot. Looks like joburg stole Durbs 'iconic' idea

Mo Rush

May 8th, 2006, 06:00 PM

Uhh will some one tell this dumbass, that for the World Cup ONLY the stadium will seat 70 000, where by after the world cup, it will be reduced to 45 000, then IF Durbans gets the right to host the Olympics OR Common wealth games, then the stadium will be upgraded & extend to seat 100 000, get your facts straight Mo, Kings Park (ABSA Stadium) is going to be a RUGBY ONLY stadium once this new stadium is built, hence KINGS PARK will be like a Twickenham.

Oh & that pic of ellis park in the stadion website is the same pic, but hows those shots of Kings Park, AMAZING!

lol..yeah the olympics.lol
good luck. i know the stadium can be upgraded to 100,000 if need be and reduced to 45,000 post world cup i read the docu off the durban website..but still what makes u think it will be more sustainable than stadia elsewhere in the country..cape town of note..?

Mo Rush

May 8th, 2006, 06:04 PM

That looks like a giant zulu beer bowl! its awesome, but I also loved the old design alot. Looks like joburg stole Durbs 'iconic' idea
oh please thats a bit too iconic...as long as the stadium doesnt end up having large horns..

Mo Rush

May 8th, 2006, 06:10 PM

i hope the symbols or marking on the stadium bowl will light up or illuminate somehow at night...

dysan1

May 8th, 2006, 08:13 PM

Mo Rush

May 8th, 2006, 08:57 PM

I think they used a bowl they bought from a street seller and put some perspex as a roof...u could never make the stadium look like that in reality.

And MO...dearest sport and only sport mad MO...

Durban will have 2 big stadia...at 52 000 and 45 000...being next to each other is perfect...see later on...

Cape Town will have 3 at 70 000, 50 000 and 30 000...and they already talking that newlands will lose out on games for rugby and soccer...thereby losing income...

Why would they host big games at athlone if they have this new stadium? whats the point of 30 000 seater to look pretty.

I love how u are all hyped by 2010...so am i, but lets be realistic now. We dont need white elephants, financial drains. You all seem to ignore the maintainance costs involved in the years to come. If the facilities arent used...they make no money. stop thinking with ur hearts...and use ur heads!

Yes having a 45 000 seater soccer stadium in durban maybe a mistake too...but it will be significantly smaller than the burden that will face other cities...esp since CT will have 3 large stadia...

And having the stadia together is the best option, the development of a precinct for sport is one of durban's greatest strengths and should be built upon.

Dont glamourise the idea of the stadia mo...think reality...i know its hard for u, for all u do is live the dream.

all the stadia need are decent 25 year legacy plans...cape towns stadium too will stand at 45,000 after the world cup but its uses will allow for much more...with the retactable roof...large exhibition events, concerts etc..will be able to be hosted in this venue making it truly multi purpose...the retractable roof adds a whole new dimension to its uses as a venue...increasing its sustainability and keeping the weather out when need be....dontcha think?

i just hope they realise the potential of a stadium with a roof and construct it in a way so that it could host a range of indoor events..including grass court tournaments, the stadium floor is essentially exhibition space using a different stadium floor, and essentialy by subdiving the stadium will be able to use it as an indoor arena for smaller sports...

i might be optimistic in a sense but i think in a way, sports federations would love the chance to host world championships and more athletics event in africa and cape town and durban will allow for that...

as for glamourizing new stadia...well its exciting that were getting these new stadia..as a stadium addict its my daily fix...and im sure the new stadium in durban will get my attention almost as much as the new stadium in cape town....

funny or not...the construction of these new stadia and these large projects i think are certainly a turning point for every city in the country...where a bold decision today could benefit the city greatly in the future..its a decision that has to be made to take our cities from well-known south african cities to well-known international cities whether its an "iconic" stadium that does it....or a new stadium at the edge of the atlantic ocean with table mountain as a background...something needs to be done...i fully believe we need to milk the 2010 world cup cash cow for all its worth and for more than we have been doing already, an event of this magnitude isnt coming along any time soon after 2010...this is as big as it gets for an event to change a country and our country needs changing..:D

Durbsboi

May 9th, 2006, 09:23 AM

lol..yeah the olympics.lol
good luck. i know the stadium can be upgraded to 100,000 if need be and reduced to 45,000 post world cup i read the docu off the durban website..but still what makes u think it will be more sustainable than stadia elsewhere in the country..cape town of note..?
SAFA & the PSL comitee are still trying to get one of the major teams in the PSL to shift their home, since the FNB is the home Stadium to Kaiser chiefs I remember Trevor Phillips saying that Pirates should switch their home to Durban (because of the sea) but they have to drop the 'Orlando' part of their name. So PSL are still looking to shift one of the majors clubs to Durbs, plus Durban has more Pirates & Chiefs supporters than anywhere in the country! FACT! hance when ever either of the giants play in th Durbs we have sell out crowds, so just imagine of Pirates do switch homes & move to Durban's new 45 000 seater stadium I can see maybe the least corwd attendance being 25 000 people.

Oh & guys from Durbs get down to the SHARKS game on Friday! its our last game of the Super 14 & if ACT Bumboi's loose in the morning & we Thrash the Force like 100-20 we make da semi's!

Durbsboi

May 9th, 2006, 09:25 AM

I think they used a bowl they bought from a street seller and put some perspex as a roof...u could never make the stadium look like that in reality.

They must have really done that, buy a bowl, put cardboard stands inside, & platic roof, lol!

They can built a stadium like that, its piss easy to design, but ALOT of steel, as the structure, like Allianz.

dysan1

May 9th, 2006, 07:15 PM

yeh with no ramps...windows...

Mo Rush

May 14th, 2006, 03:53 PM

'Desirable' location for stadium

Archaeological digs reveal 'nothing of value' at Green Point
May 11, 2006

By Dominique Herman

Trial excavations at five sites on the Green Point Common's Metropolitan Golf Club did not reveal anything archaeologically significant, making it a desirable location from a heritage perspective for the construction of the proposed 68 000-seater football stadium.

The fact that no human remains or footprints of historic buildings were found was not surprising, according to Mary Patrick, of Cape Archaeological Services, the independent consultant heading the investigation.

"There's nothing in this ground except sand and rocks," said another archaeologist, Harriet Clift, who has been on site since Monday monitoring every scoop of the front-end loader.

However, the fact that bedrock was so close to the surface - on average 70cm into the ground - was surprising, she said.

Patrick added that they were proceeding at a much more rapid pace than envisaged, as a result.

There could be no cultural material under bedrock so the site became subject to geological, not archaeological, concentration.

The director of programme management for the city, Dave Hugo, said the integrity of the bedrock would determine whether it could be drilled into for a foundation.

Fieldwork for the geotechnical study was complete on both sites and results would be ready within two weeks. Ten boreholes had been drilled and 16 probes with a rod to measure resistance, depth and rock integrity.

Yesterday, the archaeological team started excavating the six trenches on the other proposed stadium site - that of the existing stadium and its environs.

The bedrock on the second hole to be dug next to the cricket club was deeper than the others and filled with sand and building rubble.

"This is probably the most exciting hole so far," Clift said.

She added that anything found in the rubble was unlikely to be of any archaeological interest as it could have come from anywhere, which rendered it meaningless.

"We've found nothing of cultural value whatsoever," Clift said.

The archaeological survey forms part of the Heritage Impact Assessment process and is one of the environmental impact assessment's (EIA) involving eight specialist studies currently being performed.

The Metropolitan golf course and the existing stadium are older than 60 years and are therefore protected by the current National Heritage Resources Act.

The draft scoping report, which acts as the first stage of the stadium project's EIA, indicated that the prospect of finding historical cemeteries on the common was "believed to be an error based on a proposal at the end of the 19th century, to locate the new public cemeteries on the Green Point Common.

"The new public cemetery was, in fact, located at Maitland."

Carmen du Toit, from The Environmental Partnership, said there was "no preference" for either site on the common and both were being "assessed at the same level".

Officials are hoping for a draft EIA by the third week of June, Hugo said.

romanSA

May 15th, 2006, 11:10 AM

eThekwini agrees to strict conditions for 2010

Stringent World Cup contract
May 15, 2006

By Zukile Majova

Local civic and community leaders will soon pore over an agreement signed by the eThekwini Municipality with Fifa, which includes a condition that all construction around the city in areas defined as Fifa zones be halted during the 2010 World Cup.

Durban and the 10 other host cities - Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Polokwane, Nelspruit, Klerksdorp, Rustenburg, Bloemfontein, Johannesburg, Pretoria and Kimberley - signed Fifa's Host Cities Agreement which has stringent provisions about how local business will operate during the tournament.

However, the city and local business leaders said they were not concerned as negotiations were still under way and some of the clauses could be amended.

In the agreement, Fifa calls for the closure of all businesses operating within and around stadiums on match days unless written prior agreement is obtained from the international football governing body.

It also recommends back-up power grids to negate power failures.

Only Fifa-approved advertisers will be allowed to advertise on billboards within a 1km radius of stadiums for at least one week on either side of the final game, and two weeks before and after the competition.

All advertising on billboards in airports, train stations and street poles along public roads will have to make way for Fifa-approved advertisers, the agreement says.

For six months leading to the kick-off, the city is required to employ additional staff to inspect official routes to be used by the visitors and to clamp down on unauthorised advertisers. Fifa has also tied the city into agreeing to provide special traffic lanes for its representatives and participating teams from the airports to the stadiums.

Any music concerts planned for one day before or after a match would be cancelled, along with all gatherings that draw crowds, unless approved by Fifa.

City Manager Mike Sutcliffe said: "All negotiations and discussions between ourselves and the local organising committee and the government will be dealt with through the fora we have established and not through the media.

"I am therefore not going to respond to such specifics, which invariably get taken out of context, and are often overridden by discussions we have through the fora we have established."

Danny Jordan, CEO of the Local Organising Committee, said construction would only be stopped in and around the stadiums and in defined Fifa zones.

"The issue here is about ambush marketing and it is expected that the city takes all reasonable steps to protect those involved in the event as sponsors," Jordaan said.

He said local businesses would benefit because the people expected to arrive for the competition would be spending more than R9.8 billion in the host cities.

"At least R1 billion will be spent in each city and all this will go into the local economy. Cities like Durban, which will host one of the semi-finals, will benefit more."

The Durban Chamber of Commerce CEO, Prof Bonke Dumisa, said the agreement was a standard document with open-ended clauses that could be negotiated.

"Worried about some of these provisions, we sent some of our members to Germany with the South African delegation and we were told that the document is just a standard.

"I am not yet having sleepless nights about Fifa chasing local businesses away.

"The battles between sponsors is not different from the one we experienced during the cricket World Cup, where Pepsi had marketing rights and not Coca Cola," said Dumisa.

http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=282&fArticleId=3245837

Pule

May 16th, 2006, 09:17 AM

Durbsboi

May 16th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Durbsbooi,

don't associate everything with Zulu bro, that's Ndebel's traditional beer pot. Yes, the Zulus, Sothos, Tswanas etc use it but it was the Ndebele's invention.

Dysan,

What I will say is that "Look, listern, watch and learn", the stadium i the reality. Well even though I think Durbs will come with the most impressive stadium design, I wil say this,FNB, stadium is gonna be the killa one. Its easy from engineering perspective to desgn that.

Sorry bro, never meant to cause anything, we have a few of those bowls at home, a zulu friend of ours gave it to us saying it was a zulu bowl, he didnt not give me the history on it, so I took it as that, sorry but thaks for letting us know the true traditions of the beer pot.

& Yes the FNB stadium or Soccer City as it will be known then will be the BIG Shebang for the world cup, thats our Allianz, so to speak.

Mo Rush

May 17th, 2006, 07:23 PM

CAPE TOWN
Cape soccer stadium gets govt nod

Wed, 17 May 2006

Central government did not expect a problem with the building of a stadium in Cape Town for the 2010 Soccer World Cup which would be suitable for a semi-final match, says South African Sport and Recreation deputy Minister Gert Oosthuizen.

He said that when Cape Town went for the Olympics in 2004, the national ruling African National Congress (ANC) was not in power at local government in the parliamentary capital, but the then administration had pledged over seven billion rand towards the proposed spending on facilities.

Oosthuizen was asked whether he anticipated that the multi-party opposition government in the city of Cape Town — elected in the place of the ANC in March — may not respond to the project according to national government's wishes.

It is envisaged that the stadium will be at Green Point and be able to house nearly 70 000 people.

Cape Town Mayor Helen Zille, of the Democratic Alliance, has questioned whether the city could afford a multi-billion rand stadium meant for the semi-final of the 2010 world cup. She has noted that if Cape Town gives it the go-ahead, it will be on the proviso that her multi-party government gets guarantees of private sector funding for the project.

Meanwhile, deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Aziz Pahad reported that South African President Thabo Mbeki would attend the upcoming World Cup in Germany and would receive the official emblem to be brought back to SA in anticipation of the event in four years' time.

I-Net Bridge

Mo Rush

May 17th, 2006, 11:09 PM

World Cup mascot firm goes bust
The company producing the mascot for this year's World Cup has declared itself bankrupt after the toy failed to score with consumers.

Nici paid 28 million euros ($36m; £19m) for the sole rights to "Goleo", a football-kit-wearing lion.

According to reports, the firm has blamed weak demand for its problems.

The Bavarian toymaker confirmed it had applied to the German courts for insolvency protection, but declined to give any further information.

According to Coburg district court, Nici cited inability to make payments as its reason for filing for insolvency.

The group's problems come just six weeks before the football tournament kicks off in Germany.

Own goal?

Nici had expected the stuffed toy mascot - designed by the firm behind the Muppets, Jim Henson's Company - to have been a sure fire hit with consumers.

However, it seems to have scored an own goal by choosing a mascot that has little connection to Germany, whose national symbol is an eagle.

In fact, three lions are the symbol of Germany's greatest footballing rival, England.

Reports also suggest that consumers are puzzled by the lion's state of undress - although it wears a number 6 shirt, Goleo does not sport a pair of shorts.

Nici, which has annual sales of about 130m euros, has not said how many of the lions it has sold. Goleo retails at 19.95 euros.

The football tournament is widely viewed as a money-spinner for most groups who attach their name to the event.

Adidas has already credited demand for football products ahead of the contest for a surge in demand and profits.

The sporting goods group, which makes replica kits for teams including France, Argentina and host nation Germany, said profits rose 37% to 144m euros in the first three months of 2006.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/4989726.stm

Durbsboi

May 18th, 2006, 02:28 PM

A lion was a dumb idea anyway, should have had barbie with a bikini playing with balls

GregPz

May 18th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Not everyone likes looking at balls

Mo Rush

May 18th, 2006, 03:38 PM

2010 mascot? zuma ? mini madiba? rhino? cheetah? afriki the monkey?

Mo Rush

May 18th, 2006, 04:01 PM

Capetonians may have to wait six weeks to know what the new African Renaissance Stadium being planned for the 2010 soccer World Cup at Green Point will look like.

Mo Rush

May 18th, 2006, 04:19 PM

http://www.j-league.or.jp/stadium/sapporo_dome/images/2005stadium_a.jpg

A moveable pitch is being considered opening up a tremendous amount of exhibition space.

Durbsboi

May 18th, 2006, 04:30 PM

Not everyone likes looking at balls
I meant soccer balls, I dont swing that way bro, I is straight. Hence the barbie in the bikini, I think we should have her as a mascot that way we can have real chicks dressesd in a bikini's walking everywhere! Yeh wat a great idea! I think I should interview the girls for the job!!!

Durbsboi

May 18th, 2006, 04:31 PM

http://www.j-league.or.jp/stadium/sapporo_dome/images/2005stadium_a.jpg

A moveable pitch is being considered opening up a tremendous amount of exhibition space.
Come down to earth Mo, I dont think CT or any other city in SA will build anyting like that. (pleez prove me wrong)

Mo Rush

May 18th, 2006, 04:38 PM

Come down to earth Mo, I dont think CT or any other city in SA will build anyting like that. (pleez prove me wrong)
No, as the stadium in cape town will have a retractable roof. Secondly i was just using sapporo dome as an example of a stadium that uses a moveable pitch. Please u gotta stop shooting down anything relating to cape town..with comments like "come down to earth mo" when all i was trying to show was an example of a moveable pitch. enjoy ur day.

Durbsboi

May 18th, 2006, 04:53 PM

I was'nt shooting down Cape Town, I promise. Read it properly I said , CT or any other city in SA . & I did say at the end to pleez prove me wrong, i.e to build a stadium similar to this one so I can eat my words, I said before & I will say it again, I love stadiums whether they in Germany or Timbuktu, so the location doesnt phase me as long as its great.

PS: I got bored at work so started designing an aquatic center, nver did design one before, what go's in it? like how many pools? so far I got 1 olympics size pool & a diving pool, got space for a pratice pool, is a water polo pool nessscary or can they use the main pool? I also plan for a water feature thing with an outside pool, since you know a kak load about olympic events, can you help by sending me pics of aquatic centers else where pleez.

dysan1

May 18th, 2006, 07:38 PM

^^ i still am lost...what is the atraction of a stadium other than to host a match? cos architecturally they take up SO my eye space and even if designed well, will never blend in, they will always impose on their environment. The greenpoint stadium will take over greenpoint...just like Kings park cannot be missed if you live in morningside

Durbsboi

May 19th, 2006, 07:58 AM

^^ Isnt that a good thing? why do you want to hide it?

romanSA

May 19th, 2006, 12:07 PM

Speaking of which, the city's biggest pre-2010 challenge is about to unfold.

This morning's news on ECR quoted Mike Sutcliffe as saying this match is the city's dress rehearsal for the WC 2010. Moreover, that the city had invited the organising committees of all the other 8 SA WC host cities to witness how Durban organises such events. Hope everything goes well!

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Absa Cup final mania hits Durban

May 19 2006 at 11:10AM

By Carl Peters, Ayanda Mhlongo and Sapa

Soccer fans from around the country have descended on Durban in their thousands for the biggest local clash in two decades between arch rivals Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates at Absa Stadium in Durban on Saturday.

And the organisers of the match say that "it's all systems go" as tickets were sold out weeks ago. In a city buzzing with cup final fever, hoteliers were predicting full hotels by Friday night.

"This is great for Durban. Soccer has a huge impact for hotels and restaurants," said
'We have had more security planning meetings ahead of this game than we usually would'
Premier Soccer League's (PSL) marketing manager Ntambi Ravele stressed again on Thursday that ticket holders should arrive at the ground early to avoid congestion and to allow for their tickets to be scanned for authenticity.

She also warned soccer lovers not to buy tickets from people selling them at the stadium because these could be fake.

"We have had more security planning meetings ahead of this game than we usually would because we want people to enjoy it in a safe environment," she said.

When asked why a larger stadium in Johannesburg had not been chosen for the match between the country's two biggest clubs, she responded that Absa Stadium was an obvious choice as a "neutral" venue.

Two larger stadiums in Johannesburg - FNB Stadium and Ellis Park - are the home grounds of Chiefs and Pirates respectively.

The two clubs' coaches have promised to deliver thrilling football
Ravele said 700 private security guards, 300 SAPS officers and 100 Metro Police officers would be on duty in and around the stadium on Saturday.

Another 500 SAPS officers would be at points outside helping the PSL look out for ticket touts or scanning tickets, and generally serving as back-up to other colleagues.

The two clubs' coaches have promised to deliver thrilling football. Pirates caretaker coach Teboho Moloi confidently said his men would play an open, attacking game.

"Our preparations have gone well and the guys are excited that they made it to the final," he said.

When Orlando Pirates last played and beat Kaizer Chiefs in an official cup final 18 years ago, Moloi was in his first season as a professional, and a reserve on the bench. Now Moloi has the chance to make an even bigger impact.

Ernst Middendorp, the Chiefs' coach, said his men were equally eager to claim the trophy after only managing a third-place finish in the league.

This article was originally published on page 1 of Daily News on May 19, 2006

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20060519102138144C271600

Geogirl

May 19th, 2006, 12:43 PM

Mo Rush

May 19th, 2006, 02:07 PM

I heard that they were planning on building a multidisplinary stadium in Durban. How will they do that in time! I think a lot of things have been left quite late! But I suppose its good for students graduating-plenty job opportunities....so I'm not going to complain.

yes one in cape town as well..except with a retractable roof...it is semi-late...i think durban is leaps ahead of cape town though on planning so they should start soon i hope

hsark

May 19th, 2006, 02:20 PM

hey we got a female *geogirl* well it seems anyway HI!.....back to the worldcup

Mo Rush

May 20th, 2006, 01:11 AM

1.Germany 18:00 Costa Rica FIFA WM Stadion München, Munich
2.England 15:00 Paraguay Waldstadion, Frankfurt
3.Sweden 21:00 England FIFA WM Stadion Köln, Cologne
4.Argentina 21:00 Côte d'Ivoire FIFA WM Stadion Hamburg, Hamburg
5.Serbia-Montenegro 15:00 Netherlands Zentralstadion, Leipzig
6.Netherlands 18:00 Côte d'Ivoire Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart
7.Netherlands 21:00 Argentina Waldstadion, Frankfurt
8.Mexico 18:00 Iran Frankenstadion, Nürnberg
9.Angola 21:00 Portugal FIFA WM Stadion Köln, Cologne
10.Mexico 21:00 Angola FIFA WM Stadion Hannover, Hanover
11.Portugal 15:00 Iran Waldstadion, Frankfurt
12.Italy 21:00 Ghana FIFA WM Stadion Hannover, Hanover
13.Italy 21:00 United States Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern
14.Czech Republic 18:00 Ghana FIFA WM Stadion Köln, Cologne
15.Ghana 16:00 United States Frankenstadion, Nürnberg
16.Australia 15:00 Japan Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern
17.Brazil 18:00 Australia FIFA WM Stadion München, Munich
18.Croatia 21:00 Australia Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart
19. Togo 21:00 France FIFA WM Stadion Köln, Cologne
20.South Korea 15:00 Togo Waldstadion, Frankfurt

Mo Rush

May 20th, 2006, 02:35 AM

My draw...yes?no?never!what was i thinking?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5188/2010worldcupvenues6or.jpg

Durbsboi

May 22nd, 2006, 09:34 AM

could be

dysan1

May 22nd, 2006, 07:09 PM

Brand-new Orlando stadium to rise from the ashes of the old icon
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In about a week, the City of Johan- nesburg will issue a call for tenders for the construction of the new 40 000-seat Orlando stadium, in Soweto.

“It is estimated that the cost of construction of the new stadium will be more than R200-million,” says the project’s consulting civil engineer, Abe Thela, who is a shareholder and deputy chairperson of Nyeleti Consulting.

The exact figure will, of course, depend on the winning bid.

Of the total funding required, 25% will come from the Municipal Infrastructure Grant and 75% will come directly from the City of Johan- nesburg budget.

“Bidders will have at least 30 days after the issuing of the call for tenders in which to respond – advertisements will be placed when the call is issued,” he reports.

Demolition of the original Orlando stadium, the revered home of black soccer in South Africa – the people of Soweto have always maintained that a South African footballer was a nobody until he played at Orlando – was ceremoniously and symbolically started by Johannesburg mayor Amos Masondo on May 3, although genuine demolition only started the next day.

The demolition is part of the first phase of the contract, which also includes the earthworks for the new stadium; this phase is being undertaken by a joint venture of Protech Khuthele and SA Demo-lishers in a contract worth some R16-million.

A key element of this part of the project is the reorientation of the stadium, so that its axis is significantly closer to north–south; this is an International Federation of Football Associations, or Fifa, requirement for international-standard stadiums and is all to do with preventing the sun’s rays ever dazzling a goalkeeper (or other players in the area of the goalmouth).

The axis of a stadium cannot deviate more than 15° from the north–south axis. The old Orlando stadium just exceeded that; the new one will deviate by only 8°.

This will involve a cut; indeed, the new playing field will be lower than the original, requiring further excavations.

“In all, the contractors will pro-cess some 60 000 m3 of earth,” says Thela.

In fact, the new stadium will be fully compliant with Fifa specifications for an international-standard venue.

Phase one is scheduled to last about eight or nine weeks – to about the end of June.

The orginal stadium could accommodate only 24 000, was 47 years old and looked it; the new one will be a multipurpose venue that will be available and suitable for many other sports and activities other than sport.

“Apart from soccer, which is by far the dominant sport in all neighbouring communities, it may also be used for rugby matches, netball, other sports activities and big events,” said Masondo at the official ceremony marking the start of the demolition of the old stadium.

“This project has been conceptualised in such a way that it takes into account our commitment to use the pressure of the 2010 soccer World Cup to ensure that a lasting legacy is left behind for the benefit of the residents of Joannesburg,” he assured. “When the soccer spectacle has come and gone, there must be something of value that is there for all to see and point at,” he asserted.

“There will be two access ways for pantechnicons, straight on to the playing field,” cites City of Johan-nesburg capital-projects deputy director Sid Clark.

This is essential if, for example, the stadium is to be used for major musical concerts.

Enclosed areas within the stadium structure will be suitable and available for various uses, rang- ing from exhibitions to cocktail parties; it will, in fact, be able to be used for small events as well as big ones.

“There will be a lot of space within the new stadium to allow it to fulfil as many community needs as possible,” he highlights.

Access to the various levels of the stadium will be by elevators or ramps, each access ramp being some 5 m to 6 m in width; stairs will exist only within each level and solely for the spectators to reach their seats. There will also be provision for 280 wheelchair-bound spectators.

“It will be possible to clear the new stadium in just seven-and-a-half minutes,” states Clark.

Mo Rush

May 23rd, 2006, 11:12 AM

could be
disagree ? agree? changes u wud make?

dysan1

May 23rd, 2006, 11:38 AM

i dont think PE would get the play-off...too small a venue

Mo Rush

May 23rd, 2006, 03:20 PM

i dont think PE would get the play-off...too small a venue
it will seat 50,000...why not?? i didnt think it shud be ellis park or loftus..pretoria and johannesburg ...welll just too close to soccer city i think...it is nelson mandela's home province...i do see ur point...

hsark

May 23rd, 2006, 03:29 PM

hey durbs said is king sen....what what well at least its not as corny as the ct name "well one of our stads had to hav africa in it"

dysan1

May 23rd, 2006, 04:18 PM

I doubt those will be the real names for durban or ct's stadiums.

dysan1

May 23rd, 2006, 04:26 PM

it will seat 50,000...why not?? i didnt think it shud be ellis park or loftus..pretoria and johannesburg ...welll just too close to soccer city i think...it is nelson mandela's home province...i do see ur point...

My main concern is the capacity of PE to cope with an event of the play-off's scale.

1) I dont believe that any city/region besides Gauteng, Durban and CT could handle the accomodation needs for a match of that scale, since most of the buyers of tickets for that game would be foreignors. All needing accomodation. I fear that PE would struggle to meet that need adequately.

2) A stadium with capacity greater than 50 000 wld be needed to maximise ticket sales for such an important game. therefore 60 000 plus would be needed.

3) I just feel, going on the decisions made by SAFA in the past, that they will award it to a gauteng venue, and most likely Ellis Park...unfortunately.

Mo Rush

May 23rd, 2006, 07:36 PM

hey durbs said is king sen....what what well at least its not as corny as the ct name "well one of our stads had to hav africa in it"
of course...durbs stadium shud be called the The Senz stadium..cape town..? i dunno greenpoint dome..? cape town international stadium...or something to really irritate some people...olympic stadium..stade olympique...hahaha

Durbsboi

May 24th, 2006, 08:26 AM

I'd still go with Harkerbs "Something Fishy Stadium" for Cape Town :D

romanSA

May 24th, 2006, 04:36 PM

At least the city is proactively trying to do something...

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Durban cleans up its act ahead of 2010 showdown

May 23, 2006, 17:45

Durban has begun to rid the city of street children and vagrants ahead of the 2010 Soccer World Cup games it is to host. Derelict buildings and ramshackle accommodations in the inner city are also coming down under its urban renewal programme.

Homeless children are being cared for in places of safety, while run down buildings re being converted in to bed and breakfast establishments in the city's notorious Point Road red light district. The city authorities are working in partnership with social welfare bodies and NGO's like the National Community Projects and Crime Prevention Organisation.

By transforming a number of the city's eyesores into havens for homeless children and adults, the eThekwini Municipality hopes this campaign will help reduce crime in the city. Occupants of the abandoned buildings were taken to alternative accommodations - the children will be put in the care of district social workers and their identities were recorded on the department of home affairs' data base.

Urban renewal programme still needs work
Lungisile Mphetstshwa, an eThekwini municipality officer in the safer city department, says: "If there are still street children roving around the city, Durban residents are not safe".

The National Community Projects and Crime Prevention Organisation says it's working tirelessly to clean the Point Road district. Krish Naidoo, a reverend and leader of the National Community Projects and Crime Prevention Organisation, says: "We have identified our crime generators such as homeless people, abandoned buildings and street children. Our main concern is that our children are being used as pawns as drug traffickers".

The city authorities admit their urban renewal programme still has some way to go before the city is to ready to host the 2010 World Cup.

http://www.sabcnews.com/south_africa/social/0,2172,128003,00.html

Mo Rush

May 24th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Foreign experts in town to help plan World Cup stadium

May 23, 2006

By Michael Morris, Phida Essop & Henri du Plessis

Foreign experts have arrived in Cape Town to give their input into the city's planning of its new football stadium. This comes as the council announced that contingency funds of R325 million had been provided for preparations for the 2010 World Cup.

The council said provision has been made for the funds in the city's 2006/07 budget.

There was no allocated sum for the tournament in the budget, because the business plan for the event had yet to be finalised. British quantity surveyors and German architects have talks with Teral Cullen, the head of the city's World Cup 2010 office.

Cullen said yesterday that a high-level workshop was held with the British team.

"We are working on three different processes at the same time - the design, the business plan and the environmental impact," she said.

"We have a public meeting on the environmental impact assessment where we have to come back to the public with the results of the studies," she said.

"After that, on June 30, we also have to submit the business plan to the treasury and to do that, we have to determine the sustainability, concept design and financial modelling of the project.

"We are therefore drawing on the expertise of the overseas partners in the project.

"The British team, from Davis Langdon International Quantity Surveyors, have that expertise, having done the Manchester Commonwealth Games."

Cullen said talks on a joint venture between two groups which had put in a bid for the project, were at an advanced stage.

Construction of the stadium at Green Point was scheduled to begin in January, Sport and Cultural Affairs MEC Whitey Jacobs said.

Delivering his budget in the provincial legislature, Jacobs said preliminary preparations for the event were progressing rapidly.
The environmental impact assessment process should be concluded soon.

"The design process should be completed in June for submission of the first draft to the National Treasury by June 30," he said.
The design and development team to manage this process had been appointed.

"A final proposal will be submitted to the National Treasury at the end of October 2006, which will allow for the tender process to commence.

"We hope that the construction of the stadium will start at the end of January 2007 and be completed in 2008," Jacobs said.

Meanwhile, budget director Mike Richardson told Mayco yesterday that the contingency would see the city through initial spending needs over the next three years.

A sum of R125m was available for the next year, and additional sums of R100m a year would be available for the following two years.

# Mayor Helen Zille is to turn down an R80 000 trip to Germany to look at Berlin's 2006 World Cup projects.

She told Mayco yesterday that officials should advise the council on whose presence in Germany would be of more benefit to Cape Town's hosting preparations. A second invitation to attend an "executive programme" in Berlin in July would go to Mayco finance member Ian Neilson who earlier this month attended a Fifa meeting in Sandton on Zille's behalf.

Durbsboi

May 25th, 2006, 09:55 AM

Dsyan, its almost the end of May, any news of when the final designs will be submitted to the council for the stadium? I think you said your dad's firm was one of them, I am dying to see the designs!!!

dysan1

May 25th, 2006, 12:30 PM

Durbsboi

May 25th, 2006, 02:25 PM

^^Yep tell me about formality's urggggg gets me pissed off when you got something but cant tell or show anybody it !

Mo Rush

May 25th, 2006, 03:10 PM

^^ Public release is only in the first week of July, so we still have a wait. i have seen the design that my dad's firm is helping with. The Australian design company have made a VERY interesting and VERY different design. But i do not have a copy and for legal reasons nothing can be released until agreed by council.

So we gotta wait til July
darn...the cape town design process is moving along slowly (no suprises)...apparently trying to finalise the design features of the stadium before just designing something...basically seeing that both stadia are multipurpose its not as easy to just build a field and seats...but ill try and make some contact and get info...

Mo Rush

May 26th, 2006, 02:02 PM

New funding model for Sentech
26/05/2006 10:14 AM
Cape Town - A new funding model would be sought for state-owned company Sentech that took into account its public and commercial functions, Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Thursday.

Discussions to finalise the funding model would be expedited, she told MPs in the National Assembly during her department's budget debate.

The minister described Sentech as a strategic national asset with important infrastructure and expertise.

It would form the core of the wireless broadband infrastructure network to be used in enhancing South Africa's socio-economic development goals.

Matsepe-Casaburri also announced that "Sentech's wireless broadband infrastructure network will be expanded beyond the current footprint and enabled to carry voice to the end user in the provision of this service, thus giving full effect to its multi-media licence."

2010 broadcast

Earlier this year, Sentech told parliament's communications portfolio committee that South Africa would not be ready to broadcast the 2010 Soccer World Cup without massive infrastructure investment.

Multi-billion rand investments were needed in digital broadcasting transmission to properly serve a worldwide television audience, the company said at the time.

Sentech operates the country's broadcasting signal distribution network.

Matsepe-Casaburri said preparations for South Africa's hosting of the world cup were on track.

"Our ICT sector are all pulling in the same direction and carrying the flag for South Africa in the technology space."

South Africa would be one of few countries in the world where every game of the world cup would be shown with DVB-H technology, which enables one to watch a television broadcast on a cellphone.

"I hope developments like these have put paid to the doubts of those Afro-pessimist who were suggesting that South Africa may not be ready in 2010.

"I am not only confident that we will meet the requirements for 2010, I suspect we may well exceed them."

Government intervention

The minister said enhancing South Africa's broadband infrastructure was a priority for higher economic growth and socio-economic development.

This would require "direct and deliberate government intervention".

She told MPs the Information and Communication Technology (ICT) sector had a critical role to play in achieving SA's sought-after economic growth rate of 6%.

Investment in ICT broadband infrastructure was thus essential.

The country needed to consider innovative and bold ways of increasing broadband penetration. This would include examining principles of "open and non-discriminatory access to essential ICT infrastructure at national level".

To assist in this regard, she has established a "Broadband Advisory Council made up of African experts of international calibre", Matsepe-Casaburri said.

She also said decreasing the cost of communication was essential to boosting South African competitiveness, and a decision has been taken to issue special policy directives in this regard.

Mo Rush

May 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM

Common safe from Green Point stadium housing plan

By Philda Essop

Affordable housing is still on the cards for Green Point, but not specifically on the Common. Local Government and Housing MEC Richard Dyantyi had said in his budget speech on Wednesday that one of his department's lead housing projects would be built at Green Point.

Approached by the Cape Argus, he confirmed that a housing project would be built as part of the "legacy" of the 2010 World Cup.

He said in his speech: "A third possible lead project is in Green Point, where human settlements will form part of a larger mega-project connected with soccer World Cup 2010."

Yesterday he said in a statement: "In order to clarify my budget speech of yesterday, I want to make it absolutely clear that we have no intention of building houses on the Green Point Common.

"Commonage is intended for the free and unhindered recreation and sporting enjoyment of all the people of Cape Town. I was referring to the possibility of affordable housing being incorporated into the Somerset Hospital grounds or neighbouring state-owned land.

"At no stage will we compromise our people's access to recreation or sport. After all, we want to build a life for all," he said.

City mayor Helen Zille is set to meet Dyantyi today to discuss the proposed development.

A plan for the Green Point stadium development released earlier this year indicated an area set aside for housing. But after a public outcry, the council denied housing would form part of the stadium site.

The area is zoned as a public open space. It was ceded to the city council in 1923 by King George V, and the title deeds specify it is to be a public open space for recreation and sport.

Transport and Public Works MEC Marius Fransman said in his budget speech on Tuesday that a "draft development framework" had been approved by the provincial cabinet for the Somerset Hospital site.

"This site has enormous potential for mixed-use development and links in very closely with the development plans for the region, given its proximity to the planned 2010 World Cup stadium in Green Point," he said.

"The proposed plans also include plans for a significantly upgraded Somerset Hospital on the site. The rezoning process for these properties is currently under way."

phildae@incape.co.za

Published on the web by Cape Argus on May 26, 2006. © Cape Argus 2006. All rights reserved.

Mo Rush

May 28th, 2006, 01:13 PM

SA's R30m offer to Eriksson raises eyebrows

May 28 2006 at 08:41AM

Sources have revealed that South African soccer is due to formalise a R30-million a year deal to lure England Coach Sven-Goran Eriksson to take Bafana Bafana to the 2010 World Cup.

But local coaches have responded with mixed reactions to the news.

Eriksson will not renew his contract with England and will be available after completing his World Cup duties, despite speculation that he might take a post to coach Real Madrid.

Gordon Igesund and Jomo Sono are two of the local coaches who have been shortlisted for the job, but a source in England said Safa had identified Eriksson as its "No 1 choice".

Safa was also reported to be casting its net wider - looking at securing the services of other foreign coaches like Brazilians Luis Felipe Scolari and Carlos Alberto Perreirra.

Sturu Pasiya, Chairperson of South Africa's technical committee, confirmed that there were "discussions" around (Eriksson).

Igesund would not comment on the offer for Eriksson, saying it would be unethical as "I'm currently a candidate for the job". However, he reiterated his belief that a local coach was more suitable for Bafana.

"If Safa want to undermine local coaches, then they must continue doing so. Let's give them the opportunity to do that. Personally, I don't think a foreign coach is good for our football because they don't understand it."

"Carlos Quiroz is a good case in point, he's a world-class coach. He coached Real Madrid, Portugal, and now is the assistant coach of Manchester United, but when he coached our team he was not successful, not because he's a bad coach but because he couldn't understand African football," he said.

Former Bafana coach Clive Barker echoed Igesund's words, saying a local coach would be most suitable as foreign coaches failed to understand African football.

Khabo Zondo, Golden Arrows coach, felt the cash was not an issue. "Maybe Safa has got a plan and if they are willing to pay that amount of money for one man, then it means that people are serious about making our team successful."

Durbsboi

May 29th, 2006, 09:42 AM

SAFA's short listed a few international managers for the position of head coach for Bafoona Bafoona, Sven Erikson, Gerard Houllier & Loius Phillipe Scolari are the top canedates, now do you think any of these guys if chosen will last till 2010? let alone try & make Bafoona a better team?

Mo Rush

May 30th, 2006, 01:01 PM

World Cup 2010 scores its first goal
Anna Cox
May 30 2006 at 10:32AM

The 2010 South African World Cup is already a major commercial success, four years ahead of the event.

So said Danny Jordaan, chief executive of the Fifa World Cup 2010 Local Organising Committee, at a conference on the role of local government at 2010 in Ekurhuleni on Monday.

He said the funding target of $2-billion (about R13-billion) - the biggest in Fifa's 100-year history - had already been reached and major sponsors had already deposited their money into Fifa's bank account.

"This shows huge confidence in South Africa and dispels the fears that many critics had about the ability of an African country to raise the funds.

'The money is in the bank as we speak'
"The money is in the bank as we speak - they didn't wait until later on to see that we were achieving our targets. It is now up to us to make it an organisational success," he said.

The total budget for the event is R3,1-billion.

Jordaan said there had been much frustration at the fact that South Africa was forced to keep silent on its achievements so far because of the upcoming World Cup in Germany.

"It has been a question of 'no news is bad news'. But after July 10 we will be at liberty to disclose information," he said.

In the meantime, work is progressing on all fronts. Three new pieces of legislation have been passed.

These are: the 2010 Fifa World Cup Special Measures Act for local government, which addresses operational issues; the Special Measures Financial Act covering, among others, VAT, tax, customs and excise, and work permits; and the Ambush Marketing Act, to protect the official sponsors from having their advertising space hijacked.

Billions of people will watch the games on television.

Jordaan asked cities hosting the games to ensure that they established "fan parks".

"There will be a shortage of tickets for the games because there are a limited number of seats in the stadiums. It is going to be a huge challenge, but cities should set up facilities with big screens where people can watch matches."

He said cities could expect to have special decorations on their streets with Fifa branding, as well as concession stores.

He also warned that cities should ensure they had enough police and security staff to cater for both the games and local residents. This applied to public transport as well.

Additional buses should be brought in from neighbouring municipalities and countries as well, if necessary, as was done in Europe.

"We cannot run the games to the detriment of local ratepayers," he said.

The World Cup would bring many opportunities, especially in the hospitality industry, with 450 000 people having to be fed over 43 days.

The biggest challenge, however, would be finding a winning team.

"It is all very well to have state-of-the-art stadiums, but not a losing team. People come, after all, to see soccer.

"This is going to be a big challenge. Currently our top goalscorers are scoring 10 goals a year, while the likes of Pele scored 1 000. We have to address this as a matter of urgency," he added.

Another major benefit of the tournament would be the opportunity it provided to send messages to other African countries.

"Sport is a promoter for messages of democracy, TB, HIV and Aids, politics, education, human rights and human resource development, including skills training," said Jordaan.

"We need to stage a world-class event to show the world there is no difference between Africa and 'world class'.

"We have already achieved financial success ahead of time. Now it is up to us to deliver on an organisational level," he said.

Of the nine cities hosting the event, six attended the conference to talk about their state of preparedness for the event. The City of Johannesburg, eThekwini (Durban) and Cape Town failed to attend.

dysan1

May 30th, 2006, 11:13 PM

Durban on the ball with 2010 projects

29 May 2006

Inet Bridge -

The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport

By Edward West
The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport, according to the eThekwini municipality.

The municipality said on Friday the Kings Park soccer stadium would be demolished so work could start on a new R1,6bn stadium in November.

The head of the municipality's strategic projects unit, Julie-May Ellingson, said the new stadium would be funded primarily by central government and would seat about 70,000 spectators.

Plans to construct the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport - to be situated at La Mercy, 30km north of Durban - were proceeding well.

Dube Tradeport CE Rohan Persad said the R1,8bn development was on schedule to start operating in February 2010, ahead of the World Cup.

The tradeport and international airport would include an export-trade zone, perishables facility, cyberport and other commercial and retail opportunities.

Persad said the 32-month construction phase was expected to be completed in October 2009 and proposals were being sought from short-listed contractors.

An environmental impact assessment was under way, as were negotiations with the Airports Company SA (Acsa) about decommissioning the existing Durban airport and the equity role that Acsa would play at Dube Tradeport, Persad said.

romanSA

June 1st, 2006, 02:04 AM

Cross-ref from the Durban discussion thread...

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Here's a nice update with some timelines.

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Durban On the Ball With 2010 Projects

Business Day (Johannesburg)

May 29, 2006
Posted to the web May 30, 2006

Edward West
Durban

The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport, according to the eThekwini municipality.

The municipality said on Friday the Kings Park soccer stadium would be demolished so work could start on a new R1,6bn stadium in November.

The head of the municipality's strategic projects unit, Julie-May Ellingson, said the new stadium would be funded primarily by central government and would seat about 70000 spectators.

Plans to construct the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport -- to be situated at La Mercy, 30km north of Durban -- were proceeding well.

Dube Tradeport CE Rohan Persad said the R1,8bn development was on schedule to start operating in February 2010, ahead of the World Cup.

The tradeport and international airport would include an export-trade zone, perishables facility, cyberport and other commercial and retail opportunities.

Persad said the 32-month construction phase was expected to be completed in October 2009 and proposals were being sought from short-listed contractors.

An environmental impact assessment was under way, as were negotiations with the Airports Company SA (Acsa) about decommissioning the existing Durban airport and the equity role that Acsa would play at Dube Tradeport, Persad said.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200605301135.html

dysan1

June 1st, 2006, 11:35 AM

jerome...look one article up :)

romanSA

June 1st, 2006, 05:03 PM

Ooops!! Sorry for the double post everyone. BLame it on jetlag and enthusiasm!

Mo Rush

June 1st, 2006, 07:28 PM

2010 emblem unveiled in Berlin
01/06/2006 18:09 - (SA)

Durban - South Africa will officially unveil its World Cup 2010 emblem in Berlin on July 7.

Significantly this will be before the end of the World Cup in Germany and, as such, is a first in the history of the tournament.

This will be followed by a concert in the German capital on the same evening and later South Africa will also unveil their African Legacy Programme, a new venture in that for the first time a hosting World Cup country will attempt to make the event one of total continental involvement. The aim is make it a truly African affair.

This was announced on Thursday by Danny Jordaan, CEO of the SA World Cup committee, at a media briefing at the ICC in Durban following another in the series of Host Cities Forum meetings aimed at consolidating all resources as the 2010 World Cup Organisational programme takes shape.

The Forum meeting confirmed that at this stage there was full co-operation throughout South Africa with regard to the management and presentation of this major sporting event in which the financial implications already far exceed anything ever achieved at World Cup tournaments over the past 100 years.

Study the structures in place

The Durban Host Cities Forum was the last before a delegation of South Africans leave for Germany to study the structures in place for the 2006 event to give them a feel of what will be needed in South Africa over the next four years.

Danny Jordaan pointed out that agreements for 10 venues have been completed with nine Cities and these have been submitted to Fifa and subsequently confirmed by them.

He said that a most frequently asked question about South Africa's hosting of the prestigious event is whether it would be commercially viable.

He was able to reveal that South Africa has so far managed to complete 70% of the contracts including broadcasting rights, sponsorships and other forms of involvement. "That is because of the high level of confidence of the World Cup in South Africa," said Jordaan.

He stressed that the most important issue at the moment is the construction of the hosting stadiums

In June 2009 South Africa will host the Confederation Cup ahead of the 2010 World Cup.

"Everything is on track as we have more than the 10 stadiums at our disposal including five that will be built over the next couple of years in Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Durban, Nelspruit and Polokwane."

All the revenue has already been secured

As far as the operating budget for World Cup 2010 is concerned, Jordaan revealed that all the revenue has already been secured - approximately R3.2bn which is needed to deliver this event.

Mike Sutcliffe, Durban City manager, confirmed that the city, as a semi-final venue, was well on track to play its full role in the preparations along with the other participating cities and interested parties.

Danny Jordaan said: "Our research has shown that the World Cup in South Africa will generate the highest revenue ever for Fifa in the history of the tournament.

"It is essential, therefore, that we emphasise that this is an African World Cup in the making but that it will be world class. It is already a commercial success in that it has outperformed any previous World Cup tournament over the past century."

The clear message was that South Africa's World Cup 2010 success rating will depend on the total support of the whole nation to deliver a world class event.

In conclusion Jordaan said: "Africa has waited 100 years for this event. It is our responsibility to ensure that the continent does not have to wait another 100 years for a second bite of the cherry."

Jordaan leaves for Germany on Friday night.

Mo Rush

June 1st, 2006, 07:31 PM

good ole mike sutcliffe..

Durbsboi

June 2nd, 2006, 11:09 AM

yeh, & good ol danny boy too, just heard on radio now, danny made a press breifing, he said everything will be unvieled after germany, he said the country will have world cup fever from now till 2010, everything will be revolving around the tournament, from the end of germany till the end of our tournament.

dysan1

June 2nd, 2006, 03:45 PM

SUPRISE NEWS!!!

Durban's Stadium Plans Finished ahead of Time!!!

Cant get the whole article, blocked by Daily News online...but here's a snippet!

THE eagerly anticipated design of Durban's landmark R1.6 billion soccer stadium has been completed two months ahead of schedule and will be unveiled by KwaZulu-Natal Premier S'bu Ndebele in Pietermaritzburg on Tuesday.

Mo Rush

June 2nd, 2006, 05:18 PM

romanSA

June 3rd, 2006, 01:40 AM

Ooooohh!!! Please post it as soon as it's released. PLEEEZE!!! I ain't in Durban. Pleaasse??

I hope it's a cool stadium and not boring and regular.

Mo, if you've seen it, can you please post a description???

How will I sleep until Tues now??? Sigh!

Mo Rush

June 3rd, 2006, 02:01 AM

dysan1

June 3rd, 2006, 12:11 PM

^^ have u seen it? or u talking out ur a-hole?

dysan1

June 3rd, 2006, 12:52 PM

the whole article...typed by moi cos i couldnt get it off the net! :)

City's Stadium Plans Finish Ahead of Time

THE eagerly anticipated design of Durban's landmark R1.6 billion soccer stadium has been completed two months ahead of schedule and will be unveiled by KwaZulu-Natal Premier S'bu Ndebele in Pietermaritzburg on Tuesday.

Sources close to Ndebele told the Daily News that he wanted KZN to be far ahead of the other provinces in terms of readiness for the Soccer World Cup in 2010.

The unveiling of the stadium design will soon be followed by the flattening of the existing Kings Park Soccer Stadium, to give space for the new world class, multi-purpose stadium which will be able to accomodate more than 70 000 spectators.

The city of Durban and the province were also given the thumbs up by the chairman of the local organising committee, Danny Jordaan, during the 2010 Host Cities Forum press conference at Durban's International Convention Centre yesterday.

Jordaan said he was confident that the province and the eThekwini municipality would excel in preparing for the tournament, adding that Durban's record in hosting international events was excellent.

He was addressing the media after the last meeting of the 2010 Host Cities Forum before the 2006 Soccer World Cup begins in Germany this month.

According to the initial plan, Durban's stadium, which may be known as the King Senzangakhona Stadium would go out to tender for construction by the end of September, but the pace at which planning is taking place makes it likely that this might happen long before that.

The city want to finish the stadium before the end of December 2008, and be ready for the Confederations Cup.

Mo Rush

June 3rd, 2006, 01:50 PM

dysan1

June 3rd, 2006, 05:53 PM

i thought it was abit soon myself, cos they originally said end july!

oh well...lets hope its good!

romanSA

June 3rd, 2006, 07:21 PM

Thanks for the full article, M.

Here's another...

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Durban okayed as host city
June 02, 2006

Sipho Khumalo

Durban has been approved as a host city for the Fifa 2010 soccer World Cup by Danny Jordaan, the Chief Executive Officer of the 2010 World Cup local organising committee, which is charged with preparing the country for the spectacle.

Emerging from a meeting with, among others, eThekwini City Manager Mike Sutcliffe, yesterday, a confident Jordaan described Durban as the "mecca" of South African football.

"Most of the extremely successful international games were held here," he said, adding that one of the semi-finals would be held in the city.

For hosting the semi-finals, Jordaan said, Durban would need a stadium that would accommodate more than 60 000 people.

The city has already set aside R1.6 billion for the construction of what is set to be an iconic structure tentatively named the King Senzangakhona Stadium.

The meeting in Durban was for host cities that constitute the 2010 Fifa World Cup Host Cities Forum.

"It was a session to establish the institutional framework for the successful delivery of the World Cup," said Sutcliffe.

Jordaan was confident about the country's ability to deliver a world-class World Cup, saying everything for this sporting spectacle had been signed and sealed.

"We want to position it as the first World Cup in Africa," said Jordaan.

He added that the 2010 World Cup emblem would be launched in Berlin, Germany, on July 7, which would be the fastest this had been done.

Nine cities would host World Cup games in South Africa with 10 stadiums having been identified.

Five of these were already constructed with a further five to be built, said Jordaan.

He expressed confidence that the stadiums would be ready by 2009 as five of them would be needed when the country hosts the Confederations Cup.

"We have no reason not to believe the infrastructure would not be ready. We have a budget of R3.4 billion to deliver this event. The money is already available.

"This World Cup will open new markets for South Africa in terms of tourism flows," he said.

He added that people from continents that had not previously been in the country would be here.

He said the intention was also to extend the impact of the World Cup beyond the host cities by engaging other cities to become bases for visiting teams.

Jordaan said teams from the host cities would join the organising committee in Germany in July to get a feeling for organising a World Cup tournament.

http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3273546

Mo Rush

June 3rd, 2006, 08:58 PM

i thought it was abit soon myself, cos they originally said end july!

oh well...lets hope its good!

i think the cape town design will be complete by early july, based on their timeline...its by time that durban for these two weeks gain attention re their world cup stadium, its basically been a big hoo har about the green point location etc. etc. ...the design being revealed means a whole lot NOT only for durban but for the whole 2010 world cup..its that first step that will really inspire everyone and get things going..or i hope so..its crossing that space all of us have been in for a while now regarding designs and "possible" stadia...we now move into a "Reality" phase of the 2010 world cup prep where things start to come to life, final designs are complete..no more guessing and hoping and imagining...from what i hear the revelation of the stadium is going to be a very good start...well i think so..nothing better than a new stadium in south africa to get mo rush excited..right?

Durbsboi

June 3rd, 2006, 10:47 PM

How the hell did you get to see the design Mo? & pleez dont tell me you slept with Sbu's son now!

Mo Rush

June 4th, 2006, 12:31 AM

How the hell did you get to see the design Mo? & pleez dont tell me you slept with Sbu's son now!
ill tell u more after tues..shit in not a wHORE!!..the cape town and durban design teams are suprisingly in contact(some of the members in each team) which is good so that neither stadium was a carbon copy of the other...allowing each to be "iconic" in their own right...

SeanB 06

June 4th, 2006, 09:41 AM

how come south africa didnt qualify this time round?

p.s. anyone have info on Angolas team?

SA BOY

June 4th, 2006, 10:17 AM

cos they are shit

dysan1

June 4th, 2006, 10:41 AM

Mo Rush

June 4th, 2006, 11:20 AM

good to hear mo...as long as both stadia are good lookers thats all that matters...but they must be good lookers in different ways...

Other news...my dad's firm is working on hi-tech irrigation systems for the new PE stadium, and he tells me that the process there is a total shambles. They havent even got a design team or anything, infighting, the works...it seems that only Durban and Cape Town are actually achieing anything so far with the stadiums...except maybe for the beer pot in jozi...

its an unwritten fact...PE messing up means newlands/kings park gets used. if kings park rugby stadium was not on top of the new king sensasdaxkohan stadium it would also be a contingency plan, instead the new stadium would just be used for an extra two/three matches. danny jordaan would def not be advertizing to the world that a contingency plan exists....but how can any world cup exist without it. in either case, the FIFA requirement is that 8 stadia have to be used, HOWEVER contracts have been signed regarding the cities and stadia....!! its all good and well using the new stadia for one or two more matches but lets just hope PE gets it act together....

dysan1

June 4th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Durbsboi

June 5th, 2006, 08:31 AM

cos they are shit
No bafana are not shit, thats being nice to them!

Durbsboi

June 5th, 2006, 08:40 AM

ill tell u more after tues..shit in not a wHORE!!..the cape town and durban design teams are suprisingly in contact(some of the members in each team) which is good so that neither stadium was a carbon copy of the other...allowing each to be "iconic" in their own right...
Good to hear, Mo dont want you ending up with herpies.

also good to hear that our stadiums wont be looking the same, hey do you think the council is unvieling the stadium design on the 06/06/06 (666) for a reason? Mo said it could have horns (like the devil) ? Could our stadium be the anti christ?

sorry just watched the Omen yesterday (good movie) {friend of a friends cousin knows Anant Singh's people who got a copy of the DVD..........you how we indians work ;)}

Durbsboi

June 5th, 2006, 08:52 AM

i hope so too...they are always slack...

my BIG concern is PE, Nelspruit and Bloem handling all the people for the matches...where they going to stay??? Durbs and CT can and will have cruise ships in the harbour, guess PE can too...but the others? seems like it could be hectic
PE are slooow when it comes to construction, my cuz works for SARS at the airport, they taking 3 years to build his house! plus its in a cluster that they startes 5 years ago!

SA BOY

June 5th, 2006, 08:58 AM

banana banana should be the best team in africa with the size of the soccer mad population and the so called proffeciolism of the leage, i mean compared to say camaroon or else where SA is miles ahead with great stadiums, good sponsers etc and yet we loose to guys like Angola who have been at war for 25years. Its an absolute disgrace and soccer is in a worse position than our rugger and cricket

Durbsboi

June 5th, 2006, 09:06 AM

We have good players, hence some of them play in the best leagues in the world, hell one of our players got himself a UEFA Champions League winners medal! but they show no pride when playing for their country, all they bloody worried about is the money! thats how we fucked up in the African Cup of Nations last year, money dispute! when Roland Schoeman & Ryk were being paid pea-nuts to swim for SA, they could have easily packed up & swim for millions for some rich oil country but they decided to stay & swim for "thier" country, but noo these dickheads think fuck the nation, we doing all the work here, so lets we go on strike! bunch of poop alls if you ask me!

romanSA

June 5th, 2006, 05:48 PM

2010, four years and counting
John Etkind
Published: 05-JUN-06

For grateful populations, events like the Olympics and world cups mean more than a gathering of sportsmen and the entertainment that provides. Such occasions get politicians moving. They compel governments to do things they wouldn’t normally get around to – like fixing roads, upgrading such essential social services as transport, housing and airports and, of course, building bigger and better sports facilities.

Sceptical South Africans are asking if Johannesburg and Pretoria would have had a brand new, multibillion-rand express train had it not been for the opportunity of showing it off to the hordes of football fans here for the 2010 soccer World Cup? Would the province of KwaZulu-Natal have had its R2bn (about $303mn) King Shaka airport north of Durban if the Cup planners hadn’t suddenly woken up to the fact that Johannesburg and Cape Town International airports will not cope with the massive influx of fanatics from around the globe, in South Africa for a couple of weeks of football frenzy? King Shaka International has been an on-again, off-again proposition since the late 1960s and has been a political football since then, with successive governments fearing the new facility would attract air traffic away from Johannesburg, although it made good sense to do so.

So it’s taking a string of football matches to get these major projects rolling and many more besides. President Mbeki said it all at the groundbreaking ceremony marking the start to the construction of Safa House, the new home of the South African Football Association. “It’s about time we had a soccer complex,” he said. “In fact, I’m amazed we took so long to have such a house.”

Would South Africa have had one, if it weren’t for the World Cup?” Probably not, because Federation of International Football Associations (Fifa) is picking up the tab for the R65mn (about $10mn) complex being built next to the FNB stadium in Soweto. The building will consist of some 100 Fifa offices to accommodate consultants and operatives for the 2010 spectacle and be home to the country’s Premier Soccer League. “Nothing helps unite a country like soccer does,” noted Fifa president Seth Blatter at the ceremony. “A building like this will help bring all officials and soccer lovers together.”

What happens to the money? The fact that the cup is happening on African soil was cause for great euphoria when it was announced, but not everyone is confident that the billions of rands the organisers say South Africa will rake in will impact on their lives to any great extent.

Gladys Dube, a housemaid who lives in Alexandria, a sprawling township that is home to thousands of soccer fans, has heard it all before and is now a confirmed cynic that such extravaganzas benefit anyone other than the organisers, political hangers-on and the chosen football few.

“We had the Earth Summit that made millions for South Africa,” she recalls. “We had the Rugby World Cup and Cricket World Cup that someone said each earned billions for South Africa. Where did that money go?” she asks, looking at the township’s potholed roads, rickety infrastructure and shanty houses. “None of it came to Alex.”

The world cup was awarded to South Africa at a time when the official organisation of the game is in a shambles, when the performance of the national side is at an all-time low (it failed to score a single goal at the African Cup of nations this year and was bundled out early in the 2006 soccer World Cup qualifiers and won’t be represented in Germany) and when labour unions are at their most vociferous and most active in disrupting everything from transport, security, mining and manufacturing. It is now picking a bone with the local world cup organising committee because, it claims, workers’ representatives are not being included in the cup’s preparation process.

Zwelinzama Vavi, general secretary of the South African labour giant Cosatu, says the run up to the cup is a massive job-generating opportunity and “nobody can afford to ignore our two million workers”. He warns that Cosatu will make life very difficult for Safa. “It is outrageous that the trade unions have not been involved at the highest level.” Failure to do so, threatened Vavi, “will result in an unprecedented confrontation between Safa and Cosatu”. The labour movement says it insists on being included in the process because:

In the rugby and cricket world cups, sports equipment and souvenirs and mementos were imported to the detriment of local manufacture
Administrators are dithering over the start of stadium construction and upgrading. Left to late such activity will end up being technology-driven to the detriment of local labour
The price of tickets is up in the air: will working class Cosatu members be able to afford them?
Small scale vendors and hawkers could be sidelined with all catering going to big international companies, and
Cosatu wants to be involved in the transparency process because, it says, rumours abound that tenders and procurements will be going to organisers’ family and friends. Cosatu has also demanded that Safa publish a development plan that confronts the “appalling state of South African soccer”. South Africa has just four years and a bit to be ready for “the biggest sporting event on earth”. Already, it’s all but conceded that the Gautrain Express won’t be ready in time and that the transport of fans from venue to venue will be at the mercy of South Africa’s notoriously shambolic public transport system, and whatever efforts can be made to upgrade it in more conventional ways. Whatever happens, however, the world cup will have significant infrastructure spin-offs and social benefits for the country because the government will be forced to attend, especially, to its decaying roads network, transport systems and electricity supply and distribution.
So, let the Games begin!

http://www.businessinafrica.net/economy/477757.htm

dysan1

June 5th, 2006, 07:43 PM

hmmm...rather negetive...the reporter an international one i take it? one question...did they at all visit SA? cos all seems third person...

Mo Rush

June 5th, 2006, 09:28 PM

SA sports tourism is a growing money-spinner

June 05 2006 at 10:36AM

By Zeninjor Enwemeka

SA Tourism believes the safety and security of tourists in South Africa is in line with world standards.

This was even though a 2005 SA Tourism study showed that 33,8 percent of people out of a total of 65,8 million from eight countries mentioned fears about safety and security as a reason for not visiting the country in the last five years.

During the security guard strike in Cape Town recently, for example, several tourists were attacked as protesting workers rampaged through the city, looting and damaging property.

In one instance, a 77-year-old man on holiday from the Philippines was thrown through a glass storefront door after striking security guards stole his cellphone.

Department of environmental affairs and tourism statistics show that there has been a continuous growth of tourists coming to SA between 2001 and 2005, with an average increase of 6,2 percent.

During 2005, the number of tourists increased by 10,3 percent, or about 690 898 more, compared to 2003.

Although the country's World Cup preparations came under attack during the sports and recreation budget debate in the National Assembly last week, the Deputy Minister of Sport, Gert Oosthuizen, said sports tourism grossed about R52-billion in 2003 and comprised about 30 percent of tourism.

There was a lot of economic potential in sports tourism, Oosthuizen said.

About 1,3 million tourists are expected to flock to the country for the 2010 World Cup, bringing in revenue of about R11-billion.

The department of safety and security, along with the department of environmental affairs and tourism, have begun a safety and security plan for tourists.

The SA Police Service is developing a Draft National Safety and Security Framework for 2010, which will be discussed with provinces at a workshop in June.

Mo Rush

June 5th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Soccer bosses want low ticket prices for SA 2010

By Bianca Capazorio

SOUTH African soccer bosses are negotiating with world ruling body Fifa for lower ticket prices for the 2010 Soccer World Cup to make the tournament accessible to local fans.

Local organising committee chief Danny Jordaan confirmed last night that negotiations were under way with Fifa for more affordable tickets.

However, he said the availability of tickets would be a bigger problem than the price as South Africans would be competing with the rest of the world for stadium seats.

An official said early indications were that the cheapest tickets would be around R370 for the group stages.

Jordaan, a recipient of The Herald Citizen of the Year award, said while ticketing policy would be set only in 2008, executives would be addressing ways to allow fans from South Africa and other parts of the continent to attend games.

“When it comes to World Cup tickets, demand always exceeds supply.

“We have only three million tickets and 44 million people in this country.”

The tickets would have to be divided between South Africans, fans from the 32 competing countries, Fifa officials, and commercial partners.

“How do you divide the tickets? That is the biggest challenge for us,” said Jordaan.

Ticket availability had been a problem in Germany (2006), Korea/Japan (2002), and France (1998), he said.

“In February this year there were 300 000 tickets for Germany, and three million people waiting for them.”

SA Football Association spokesman Gugu Marawa said details of 2010, including ticket prices, would be available only after the German World Cup, which kicks off on Friday in Munich.

However, a reliable source said tickets were likely to range from around R370 for the cheapest in the group games, based on the current price of tickets in Germany and including inflation.

Nelson Mandela Bay business unit manager for recreation and cultural services Mbulelo Gidane told the Old Mutual Economic update conference last week that “we want our people to afford the tickets” and South Africa was negotiating prices with Fifa.

“Negotiations are ongoing to try and bring prices to a level that is reasonable and Fifa are very sympathetic,” he told The Herald at the weekend.

Tickets for the World Cup in Germany range from ?35 (R300) for the cheapest seats at the group matches to ?600 (R5 140) for the best seats at the final game. These are markedly cheaper than tickets for the 2002 soccer spectacular in Japan and Korea.

There prices ranged from around ?50 (R428). The difference in price is mainly due to the addition of an extra seating class in Germany, creating blocks of cheaper seats.

Speaking to a group of journalists in Zurich in April, Fifa president Sepp Blatter said: “The people of Africa must be given a chance to go to World Cup matches. We‘ll have to reduce the prices there, as we can‘t demand similar ticket prices to those in Germany.

“We specifically want to offer the poorer folk in South Africa tickets at affordable prices so they can attend.”

The average SA soccer fan pays around R25 for tickets to watch local league games. Tickets for the Vodacom Challenge to be held in July featuring Kaizer Chiefs, Orlando Pirates and English premier league team Manchester United are priced from R55

Tickets for the rugby Test to be played in Port Elizabeth this month between South Africa and Scotland start at R250.

Gidane said South Africa was negotiating with Fifa on ticket allocations for SA fans, but there was no decision yet on what this would be.

“In Germany there was a split of about 80/20 per cent, with only 20% going to Germany and the country cried foul. We don‘t want that here.”

Gidane said South Africa did not want to present a World Cup that was “only for other countries”.

“Along with our negotiations with Fifa, we will be installing viewing sites with big screens in townships and parks to take the game to the people.”

dysan1

June 5th, 2006, 10:39 PM

the countdown to the morning release of the stadium design....exciting times... :)

Mo Rush

June 5th, 2006, 10:52 PM

the countdown to the morning release of the stadium design....exciting times... :)
late morning to afternoon

romanSA

June 6th, 2006, 03:55 AM

Anticipation, anticipation!! Could someone please post it online as soon as its released?? Thanks in advance. Thanksfully I'm six hrs behind SA now so by the time I get up it will hopefullly be out already! I feel like a kid waiting for X-Mas morning!!!

Durbsboi

June 6th, 2006, 08:42 AM

Waiting in antisipation too! but if it looks like shit, I'm gonna be bummed BIG TIME! like if you expecting a radio control car & all you get is a dumbass puzzle! ya I hope I dont go through that today! Regarding that hotel oppositte ICC, any news on who the developers are? Dysan? anyone? cause I went for a meeting the other day, some people were all hush hush on that topic, but I clearly heard one of the guys saying"Hotel oppositte ICC, but its TOP SECRET", so trying to fish out more from my boss, because he was in that "Private discussion", & from what I heard the price tag of the place is huge.

dysan1

June 6th, 2006, 10:58 AM

I wish i knew what was going on with the hotel, but i dont, all i know is that it will be huge and incorporate an extra 5000m2 of exhitbition space on the groundfloor...will def be an international operator

Durbsboi

June 6th, 2006, 03:38 PM

:gaah: Where is it!:dunno:

romanSA

June 6th, 2006, 03:52 PM

I am awake now, 6hrs behind you guys. Any news yet???? Seemingly not yet, if Durbsboi is any indication. Where is my pre-X-mas X-Mas present?? Is the launch taking place in Durbs (only appropriate) or PMB (capital). As far as I recall the launch was going to be made by the Premier so either is technically possible. I hope it's Durbs and one of you guys is present, with a digital camera, of course!!!

Durbsboi

June 6th, 2006, 04:03 PM

Its in PMB :(

romanSA

June 6th, 2006, 04:05 PM

dammit!!! Any PMB members out there who can help their Durb cousins???

dysan1

June 6th, 2006, 06:30 PM

Guess they will only put it in the paper tomorrow morning...more waiting time is not fun!!!

Mo Rush

June 6th, 2006, 06:44 PM

dont use a word like waiting time..i wrote a statistics 3 exam yesterday and my head was about to explode..!! yes a waiting time is distributed as a gamma distribution which can be proved in two ways...*cries* soo glad its over...no wait another statistics exam this friday ...points gun to head *BANG* i shot me down...

Durbsboi

June 7th, 2006, 08:02 AM

Nothing in the paper today, they FUCKED WITH US, THE BASTURDS!

Mo Rush

June 7th, 2006, 08:18 AM

Nothing in the paper today, they FUCKED WITH US, THE BASTURDS!
tuesday was always going to be an optimistic deadline

Durbsboi

June 7th, 2006, 09:10 AM

It wasnt a deadline ! they said they were finished!!!! Pricks!

dysan1

June 7th, 2006, 11:29 AM

well just cos they had the meeting doesnt mean that we not going to get it boys...hold onto urselves! its not the end of the world

Durbsboi

June 7th, 2006, 12:34 PM

No ones going overboard, but the article clearly stated that the stadium design was complete & will be unvieled at the KZN Parliment in PMB. Now if they didnt want the public to see it, why the hell put it in the paper?

dysan1

June 7th, 2006, 12:55 PM

well the article was in the daily news...maybe it will come out in the daily news today?

romanSA

June 7th, 2006, 05:27 PM

Usually major council-related scoops first appear in the weekly council-issued Metro tabloid, which comes out on Fri. Thus, look out for it there. Alternatively, the Tribune, as the largest read paper in the province, also usually carries major council-related news. Third possibility is that last week's Daily News just had it wrong. The alleged release of the stadium design is waaayy earlier than the timeline initially announced so there is no obligation to release anything yet.

Below, the official timeline, as outlined in the tender document issued in Feb '06:

Issue the EM Stadium EOI for Consultant Consortia - 19 Feb 06
Closing date for submission of queries - 24 Feb 06
Submission date for EOI Stage 1: Consultant Consortium p- 17 Mar 06
Announcement of short-listed parties eligible for the RFPStage 2: Consultant Consortium - 31 Mar 06
Submission date for RFP Stage 2 participants : Consultant Consortium - 28 April 06
Interviews date for RFP Stage 2 participants: Consultant Consortium - 5 May 0
Announcement of the appointed Consultant Consortium - 15 May 06
Initiation Workshop - 19 May 06
Approval of Stage 2 Concept Design - 23 Jun 06
Approval of Stage 3 Design Development - 28 Jul 06
Preparation of Stage 4 Construction and Tender Documentation - Aug–Sep 06
incl.PBC Tender period - 29 Sep – 20 Oct 06
PBC Adjudication and Award - 23 Oct – 10 Nov 06
Site Handover to PBC - 13 Nov 06
PBC Contract Completion (inclusive of 63 days delays &inclement weather) - 30 Nov 08
Handover of Completed Stadium Complex - 03 Dec 08

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Ways forward:

1. Contact the reporter who reported on the apparent June 06, 06 release date in parliament and clarify.
2. Contact Sue Bannister, Strategic Projects Team, eThekwini Municipality (she's the designated contact person for the stadium)
Tel: +27 31 336-2508
e-mail: bannisters@durban.gov.za

romanSA

June 7th, 2006, 05:37 PM

As a mouth-waterer of things to come, incl the stadium, this is what the successful bidder had to fulfil (as outlined in the tender document issued by Council):

ps - strong emphasis of "ICON" so the design had better live up to expectation..:

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3.1 The development site is centrally located within the Greater Kings Park Sportsprecinct. Planning of the facility needs to both be informed by what is proposed for the precinct plan as well as serve a catalyst to inform how the precinct ought to beplanned.

3.2 Additional developments that are under consideration and would form part of the overall development planning include:
• A new transport interchange and passenger station on the western flank of the sitefacing onto Umgeni Road;
• A multi-modal transport hub with incorporating bus terminal and car park and sport related commercial development to service both the sports precinct and beachfront;
• The redevelopment and expansion of the Kings Park Sports and Recreational Precinct .

3.3 Whilst these facilities will in all likelihood be constructed under separate contracts, the locational planning and linkage of those facilities into the new stadium will form part of the appointed consultant consortia’s design brief to locate as part of the contextual framework plan.

4.1 Were Durban to be selected as a semi-final venue, the requirement to satisfy the FIFA 2010 World Cup tournament is a 70 000 seat stadium

4.2 The 70 000 seater stadium is envisaged to have a:
• permanent “legacy” stadium of around 45 000 permanent seats
• temporary “overlay” stadium of around 25 000 seats

4.3 The ‘overlay’ temporary stadium would need to be constructed in a manner which is:
• cost effective and economical to limit the initial capital cost of the stadium.
• able to be dismantled and re-erected at an existing stadium

4.4 The stadium should ideally in addition to football & rugby have the necessary flexibilityto accommodate Field and Track events for athletics, subject to the technical andfunctional viability of such potential. It is envisaged that were this to be feasible theseating “tribunes” would need to be capable of being mechanically moved to create theoptimum seating and sightline configuration for whichever sporting code is being hosted in the stadium.

4.5 The stadium must be planned in a manner which allows it to be altered in the future to accommodate maximum of 100 000 seats on a non-permanent basis.

4.6 The stadium, as an “ICON”, must be a lot more than just a sports venue. Accordingly such elements as a museum, art centre, etc facilities ought to be considered to makethe icon a desirable destination venue for residents and visitors alike.

4.7 Given Durban’s reputation as a ‘sports and events’ city and the unique site location ofthe stadium, the EM wishes the stadium to be an recognised “ICON” that is internationally recognised and become associated with Durban and vice versa.

4.8 The completed stadium needs to be flexible, cost effective and “ICONIC” such that is regarded by sports athletes, officials, media and spectators as having a unique quality and a desirable “sense of place” which will be a hallmark of its reputation in the sportsworld.

Mo Rush

June 7th, 2006, 05:41 PM

romanSA i think those facts were already posted...the document is available on the ethekwini website if its up and running since the weekend...i think its under tenders and procurements...u can simply download it..

i contacter the journalist who wrote the article as well as sue banniester last week already and no reply..

romanSA

June 7th, 2006, 05:44 PM

Yes, that's where I got the info from. Thought it was worth posting (even if again) as a reminder for what to look out for, and for those who are new to the site and who don't have time to go through the old pages. Will be easier to critique if / when released as we'll have the pre-determined benchmark to measure it against.

Visited the site now just to see if they had any updates. Nothing, I'm afraid. Pity about the wall of silence...

Durbsboi

June 8th, 2006, 07:58 AM

I'm sending an email direct to the Daily News! got their email addy, plus my cuz is a sports jounerlist at the Tribune ao I told him to fish out any news.

GregPz

June 8th, 2006, 09:46 AM

Here's some clarity from today's Mercury. Seems we're going to have to wait a day or 2 longer.

Demolition of Durban soccer stadium begins
June 08, 2006 Edition 1

BRONWYN GERRETSEN

Soccer greats such as Shaun Bartlett, Doctor Khumalo and Kevin Keegan may have graced the pitch of the King's Park Soccer Stadium at some time during their careers, but their famous presence on the Durban pitch was clearly a distant memory as patch after patch of grass was dug up and thrown into the back of a municipal truck.

The digging up of the pitch is the first step in the demolition of the stadium in preparation for its R1.6 billion upgrade for the 2010 soccer World Cup.

With Durban set to host group matches and a semi-final in the international tournament, a world-class, multipurpose stadium is planned to replace the old stadium, although just what this stadium will look like and comprise is still unknown.

The eThekwini Municipality is to announce the appointment of the consortium responsible for the design of the stadium, unveil this new design and offer more clarity on when construction of the new King Senzangakhona Stadium will begin, later this week.

Officials on site yesterday said the digging up of the grass was the first step in the demolition of the sports grounds and, although a few rows of seats were already missing in the main stands and some small piles of rubble are evident on the top row of the concrete stands, the gutting of the rest of the facility would follow.

The new stadium is hoped to be completed by the end of 2008.