it is only your opinion. we have the same chances like the others.

it is only your opinion. we have the same chances like the others.

Obviously not. Baku is not London or Athens or anything like that, in terms of infrastucture.

Obviously not. Baku is not London or Athens or anything like that, in terms of infrastucture.
I like to think it's not decisive. Then again- I don't recall London or Athens having even 5% of the ambition to change their infrastructure. It's not all about having, but also about developing. And many believe Baku could surprise the world in this matter, me too.

Apart from the fact that London is developing the area the size of a small city for these Games you're right, London has little ambition to change its infrastructure!! lol!

I like to think it's not decisive. Then again- I don't recall London or Athens having even 5% of the ambition to change their infrastructure. It's not all about having, but also about developing. And many believe Baku could surprise the world in this matter, me too.

huh? ure kidding right?

huh? ure kidding right?

If South Africa can organize a World cap then anything could happen!!!:lol::lol:

If South Africa can organize a World cap then anything could happen!!!:lol::lol:

world cap?

7 rail lines to the olympic park, the largest urban park in europe for 150 years...using venues like wembley, wimbledon, lords...and the budget to back up that ambition. if anything london 2012 might be called overambitious. baku is hardly the city to be using as yardstick esp during its last 48 hours in the 2016 race.

Baku is not London or Athen, thats right. Baku is developing, the infrastructure is changing. & Baku could surprise the world its correct.
I believe in it & Azerbaijani Republic will do everything to make all this.

world cap?

7 rail lines to the olympic park, the largest urban park in europe for 150 years...using venues like wembley, wimbledon, lords...and the budget to back up that ambition. if anything london 2012 might be called overambitious. baku is hardly the city to be using as yardstick esp during its last 48 hours in the 2016 race.

So look at starting points of London and Baku, maybe you'll notice the difference in ambition- the way I mean it.
What effort was for London2012 to use Wembley or Wimbledon if these venues already existed when London started bidding (Wembley was initailly planned too anyway)? None. So an attempt to solve all major problems (let's face it- poor transportation, extreme pollution and living standards are issues that don't exist in London or by far not in that scale) of a reasonably big capital city and trying to build what I see as very impressive olympic complex is more for me.

RobH- London is developing an area of a small city's size. wow :tongue3: Azeris want to redevelop the whole capital city. See the difference?

OK, maybe you're right in that regard. But that only makes my initial point stronger. If, as you suggest, Baku needs complete redevelopment to get it up to Olympic standard in terms of transportation, hotels, environment etc. why should the IOC risk shortlisting its bid?

world cap?



I think he meant a world 'night CAP.' :lol:

OK, maybe you're right in that regard. But that only makes my initial point stronger. If, as you suggest, Baku needs complete redevelopment to get it up to Olympic standard in terms of transportation, hotels, environment etc. why should the IOC risk shortlisting its bid?

Funny you should say that. Many commentators and journalists asked the same question about shortlisting Poland&Ukraine for Euro 2012. :)
By the way- I didn't say for one second I think they will get it now. But I have a lot of respect for this underdog, no matter how odd the whole bid seems.

I'm all behind this bid, great venues, great city, great people. This is a HUGE opportunity to increase attractiveness of Azerbaijan as a tourist resort.:)

So look at starting points of London and Baku, maybe you'll notice the difference in ambition- the way I mean it.
What effort was for London2012 to use Wembley or Wimbledon if these venues already existed when London started bidding (Wembley was initailly planned too anyway)? None. So an attempt to solve all major problems (let's face it- poor transportation, extreme pollution and living standards are issues that don't exist in London or by far not in that scale) of a reasonably big capital city and trying to build what I see as very impressive olympic complex is more for me.

RobH- London is developing an area of a small city's size. wow :tongue3: Azeris want to redevelop the whole capital city. See the difference?

i disagree. londons project is plenty ambitious. if i described what baku was doing i'd use "admirable" yet optimistic. phrases the IOC have included in their report due on 4 june.

using sydney, athens and even beijing as a base, london's project as a whole is quite significant and as Denis Oswald confirmed, the level of detail and planning is unprecedented. if anything london has the best of both worlds, building tons of new venues and using existing iconic and world class venues.

olympic stadium
velodrome
handball arena
basketball arena
hockey stadium
whitewater centre
bmx park
aquatic centre
paralympic tennis centre
sailing venue
greenwich arenas

major upgrades to its already iconic base of venues
- the dome into the O2
- wimbledon and a retractable roof
- wembley finally being completed-
- upgrades to lords

the package is almost out of this world.

I still see no change here. I never said London's project is poorly planned or includes outdated infrastructure.
But I guess we're arguing about specific terms rather than facts. I see nothing bad in Baku's bid being "admirable, yet optimistic". As I said, London will build what you listed above, Baku wants to change the whole city around. Plus the difference of potentials- immense. So, no comparison for me in these terms.

Baku won't get Olympics.
Why?
1) There is an unwritten rule that no city is awarded with olympics after their first bid.
2) Azerbajan is at war with neighbourging Armenia.

I still see no change here. I never said London's project is poorly planned or includes outdated infrastructure.
But I guess we're arguing about specific terms rather than facts. I see nothing bad in Baku's bid being "admirable, yet optimistic". As I said, London will build what you listed above, Baku wants to change the whole city around. Plus the difference of potentials- immense. So, no comparison for me in these terms.

i think we are debating different things.

The Baku project is admirable but I'd like to see it begin before its next bid and regardless of a bid. The location and venue plan as a whole is quite good and the aims to improve significant areas of the city is admirable.

The room for transformation is Baku is of course much greater since its starting from a much lower base than London.

I support BAKU 2016. Let's wait the shortlist :)

I love the stadium and olympic villages, look great, breathtaking. One of the greatest stadium designs i have seen for a long time. Reminds me of the olympiastadion in Munich.

Goodbye Baku. Come back in 4 years.

We have a shortlist: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/more/06/04/ioc.2016.ap/index.html

Chicago, USA

Madrid, Spain

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Tokyo, Japan

according to the IOC Doha was supposed to be included to the shortlist as 5 canidates but they took it out for the following reason:

The Working Group has reached the following conclusion which reflects the overall assessment of each city in relation to the benchmark that was set. In each case, the Applicant Cities are listed in the order of drawing of lots established by the IOC Executive Board in 2007.

· The Working Group believes that Chicago, Tokyo, Rio de Janeiro, Doha* and Madrid have the potential to host the 2016 Olympic Games.

· The Working Group concludes that Prague and Baku do not have the requisite level of capability at this time to host the 2016 Olympic Games.

*Doha proposes dates which fall outside of the period specified by the IOC (15 July – 31 August). The Working Group has commented on meteorological conditions during the dates proposed by Doha (14 to 30 October), but has not made an assessment on the potential risk of holding the Olympic Games at this time. The Working Group feels this is a matter for the Executive Board’s consideration.


Source: (taken from the ioc's website)
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_1317.pdf

Timing can you belive it !!! this means that doha acctually CAN and has the ABILITY to host the event.

Rio 2016!

Rio could be dropped off Olympic shortlist

Lausanne, 8 May 2008
Rio de Janeiro's hopes of hosting the 2016 Summer Olympic Games were dealt a major blow as rumours prevailed that Rio has failed to make the shortlist of candidates . Sources close to Lausanne, the IOC headquarters, say that the IOC's technical team have postponed the finalization of the technical report to be handed to the IOC executive board, who will make the final decision.

While IOC president Jacques Rogge has praised Rio for its preparations and hosting of the 2007 Pan Am Games, sources now say that only 3 cities will be presented to the IOC executive board as candidates , amid fears that the Rio's weak infrastructure along with inadequate accommodation, presents too large a risk for the Olympic movement. Sources say that Chicago, Tokyo and Madrid comprise the 3-city shortlist.

The shortlist of candidate cities is expected to be announced next month and the winning city in Copenhagen in 2009.

and then rio was added..

according to the IOC Doha was supposed to be included to the shortlist as 5 canidates but they took it out for the following reason:




Source: (taken from the ioc's website)
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_1317.pdf

Timing can you belive it !!! this means that doha acctually CAN and has the ABILITY to host the event.

wow! only a microscopic reason took out Doha from the short list! But most of the selected cities countries have hosted or from the same continent as England.

doha is essentially ranked on par with chicago. think the conidtions in beijing might have resulted in the IOC being a bit shaky of the proposed games dates.

I'm surprised at Chicago's low ranking. Doha has an advantage over Chicago in that they have an absolutely guarunteed revnue stream, which Chicago doesn't as of yet. But apart from that it's difficult to see why Chicago should be level with Doha given that it's in a country with a huge population, plenty of hotel space, will almost certainly break London's sponsorship record, and is in a country with a strong Olympic pedigree.

It'll be interesting to see a detailed report.

My vote

1. Madrid
2. Doha
3. Baku
4. Prague
5. Rio De Janeiro
6. Chicago
7. Tokyo

So Doha just lost because of the date / weather? :nuts:

^^yep, even though it had plenty of rights, but mainly it was just the date

I'm surprised at Chicago's low ranking. Doha has an advantage over Chicago in that they have an absolutely guarunteed revnue stream, which Chicago doesn't as of yet. But apart from that it's difficult to see why Chicago should be level with Doha given that it's in a country with a huge population, plenty of hotel space, will almost certainly break London's sponsorship record, and is in a country with a strong Olympic pedigree.

It'll be interesting to see a detailed report.

yip. the flaws are with the ioc technical evaluation process which MUST be reviewed if it is to stay relevant. On paper and in reality a games by Chicago ranks far ahead of Doha.

Now that Rio pass throught the worst we have a strong bid!! Cause now is all about politics!!

You're not wrong tadeu. Rio have overcome their biggest hurdle and anything could happen now; Tokyo, Madrid and Chicago have done as expected.

can we make a new poll? or edit this one?

You're not wrong tadeu. Rio have overcome their biggest hurdle and anything could happen now; Tokyo, Madrid and Chicago have done as expected.

Well, now the spectre of 2014 being too close will haunt Rio. :cheers:

Courtesy Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/)
ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Chicago was among the four cities picked as finalists Wednesday for the 2016 Summer Olympics, setting the stage for a high-profile bidding contest between candidates from the United States, Europe and Asia.

Also making the IOC shortlist were Madrid, Spain; Tokyo, and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Eliminated from the race were Doha, Qatar; Prague, Czech Republic, and Baku, Azerbaijan.

The final field was selected by the International Olympic Commit The big four -- Chicago, Madrid, Tokyo and Rio -- all had been virtually assured of advancing to the final stage. The main issue had been whether Doha also would make the cut.

The finalists now advance to a 16-month race that will culminate on Oct. 2, 2009, with a secret ballot by the full IOC at its session in Copenhagen, Denmark.

An IOC evalutation report assessing the technical merits of each bid ranked Tokyo with the top overall marks, followed closely by Madrid. Chicago and Doha were tied for third, with Rio fourth. Prague and Baku were sixth and seventh.

Chicago is a contender to take the Summer Olympics back to the U.S. for the first time since the 1996 Atlanta Games. Madrid is back again after a third-place finish in the vote for the 2012 Olympics, which went to London. Tokyo, which held the Summer Games in 1964, hopes to bring the Olympics to Asia eight years after Beijing. And Rio, which hosted the 2007 Pan American Games, would be the first South American city to get the Olympics.

Doha, capital of a tiny but wealthy Arab Gulf country of about 1 million people, had loomed as the wild card as it sought to bring the Olympics to the Middle East for the first time. It cited its hosting of the 2006 Asian Games as evidence that it can handle the Olympics. Due to Qatar's searing summer heat, Doha proposed holding the games in October, outside the IOC's preferred time frame of July or August.

Some rival bid officials had been worried that if Doha made the shortlist, the city -- while a long shot to win -- would have the capacity to take away crucial votes in the early rounds of voting.

Cities that made the cut will have to submit their detailed bid files to the IOC by Feb. 12, 2009. After that, a panel of IOC experts will visit each of the cities, tour the proposed sites and meet with bid and government leaders. The panel will release an evaluation report to the IOC members a month before the October 2009 vote.

The 2016 decision was the centerpiece of a three-day IOC board meeting in Athens, the last before the committee gathers in Beijing on the eve of the Aug. 8-24 Olympics.

What about Rio giving up being the host city of 2014 WC? If they fails the Olympic bid, they can go back to WC :lol:

Now there are only four. It´s a new race!!

Wow I just cast the first vote on this poll. I want your congratulations!

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Four cities chosen as 2016 Games candidates

Karolos Grohmann, Reuters
Published: Wednesday, June 04, 2008

ATHENS, June 4 (Reuters) - Chicago, Tokyo, Madrid and Rio de Janeiro were named on Wednesday as candidate cities to host the 2016 Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) said.

Qatar's Doha, which was rated by the IOC's working group as the third best overall bid, Azerbaijan's Baku and the Czech capital Prague fell at the first hurdle.

"All the bids were of a very high standard," said IOC President Jacques Rogge.

"It is a tribute to the health of the Olympic movement that the field was so strong. I congratulate the candidate cities and I hope that those cities which were unsuccessful this time have benefited from the process."

The candidate cities must now compile an in-depth file of their Olympic project and submit themselves to a visit by the IOC's Evaluation Commission. The election of the host city will take place on Oct. 2, 2009, at the IOC Session in Copenhagen.

"We wanted to make the next phase and we made a good bid but it is always a relief to hear your name read out," U.S. IOC member Bob Ctvrtlik, who was with the Chicago bid, told Reuters.

Tokyo, hosts of the 1964 Games, topped the IOC working group's overall technical evaluation with Madrid second. Chicago and Doha tied for third with Rio in fourth place, the report said.

"We are delighted with the evaluation but we have not seen it yet and we must now analyse it very carefully to strengthen our weak points and make our strong points stronger," Tokyo bid chief Ichiro Kono told Reuters.

DOHA DIVIDE

IOC executive board members, who picked the candidate cities, had been divided for weeks whether Doha should be included in the shortlist.

Some members argued the city of about 500,000 was too small to deal with an event of such magnitude despite staging successful Asian Games in 2006.

Doha also planned to stage the Games in October instead of the usual summer months, due to the soaring desert heat.

"The weather was the main reason we were left off the shortlist," Doha bid official Aneesa Al Hitimi told Reuters.

An IOC official said the decision for the shortlist was unanimous among the 14 Executive Board members and Rogge, despite a 30-minute delay in the announcement that momentarily raised questions about whether there was a consensus.

IOC Communications Director Giselle Davies said Doha's decision to plan for Games in October had been a major drawback.

"The IOC Executive Board unanimously decided not to grant this exception as it conflicts with the international sporting calendar and would therefore be bad for the athletes and for sports fans," Davies said.

"Does this mean Doha or another country from the Middle East could never host the Olympic Games? No, not necessarily, especially given the IOC's desire to see the Games held around the world," she added.

The decision sparked wild celebrations among Chicago bid officials gathered at a downtown Chicago office with their cheers drowning out the other shortlisted cities.

(Additional reporting by Barney Spender in Athens, Ben Klayman in Chicago)

(Reporting by Karolos Grohmann; Editing by John Mehaffey)

can we make a new poll? or edit this one?

I´ve did

Well, now the spectre of 2014 being too close will haunt Rio. :cheers:

such as Beijing 2008/Tokyo, London 2012 and Sochi 2014/Madrid and Vancouver 2010/Chicago.

It´s on!! it will be a close race!!

such as Beijing 2008/Tokyo, London 2012 and Sochi 2014/Madrid and Vancouver 2010/Chicago.

It´s on!! it will be a close race!!

No, no, you don't get it. No point in trying to explain it to you.

Some members argued the city of about 500,000 was too small to deal with an event of such magnitude despite staging successful Asian Games in 2006.

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Same as Leipzig in 2012. It was too small

Atlanta's population isnt over 500,000...

Things were a little different then, the main competition for '96 within the US was from Minneapolis (which is a little under 400,000, but a metropolitan population of 3.1 million). Minneapolis probably had a better bid, but did a terrible job of selling it. But times have changed a lttle, cities like Atlanta and Minneapolis will probably never see another chance at the Olympics.

Atlanta's population isnt over 500,000...

Yes, but Atlanta had a metro area of over 1.5 mil in 1990; the capital of a state of 6,000,000; and the major city in a region of some 25 mil+ people -- all within its national borders.

Doha is about 95% of the country of Qatar. And what? 40% of the population are expats.

Arghhh.... London 2012 ruining Madrids chances, WC 2014 ruining Rios, and Beijing 2008 ruining Tokyos all that's left is Chicago with the strongest bid :(

I'll still vote Rio :tongue2:

1.Madrid, 2.Rio de Janeiro


I dont understand why Doha was rejected, Mexico 68 was in October

Go Rio!!!!!

Heart made me vote Tokyo. Mind says Chicago. Hate that thought though, would love to see the volcano built.

1.Madrid, 2.Rio de Janeiro

I dont understand why Doha was rejected, Mexico 68 was in October

Good thought. But the IOC at that time did not depend on the networks for their big bucks, as it does now -- and the sports calendars are a lot more set in stone now than they were some 40 years ago. That's why.

1. Madrid
2. Rio
3. Chicago
4. Tokyo

It's going to be RIO.

"The weather was the main reason we were left off the shortlist," Doha bid official Aneesa Al Hitimi told Reuters.



Keep telling yourself that, Doha...

I hope Rio goes in as the favorite!!

[QUOTE=infernal;21423481]Arghhh.... London 2012 ruining Madrids chances, WC 2014 ruining Rios, and Beijing 2008 ruining Tokyos all that's left is Chicago with the strongest bid :(

Good Analyis I think exactly the same maybe it's time for Chicago though I am not a big fan of another US City to host the Olympic quite close to the last one but with this scenario maybe they will just pull it off for Chicago huh

1-Madrid
2-Tokio
3-Rio
4-Chicago

Madrid
Chicago Tokyo
Rio

I would love for Chicago to get it. But I think it's going to Rio.

[QUOTE=infernal;21423481]Arghhh.... London 2012 ruining Madrids chances, WC 2014 ruining Rios, and Beijing 2008 ruining Tokyos all that's left is Chicago with the strongest bid :(

Good Analyis I think exactly the same maybe it's time for Chicago though I am not a big fan of another US City to host the Olympic quite close to the last one but with this scenario maybe they will just pull it off for Chicago huh

unfortunantly

[QUOTE=skyboi;21424806]
Arghhh.... London 2012 ruining Madrids chances, WC 2014 ruining Rios, and Beijing 2008 ruining Tokyos all that's left is Chicago with the strongest bid

Good Analyis I think exactly the same maybe it's time for Chicago though I am not a big fan of another US City to host the Olympic quite close to the last one but with this scenario maybe they will just pull it off for Chicago huh

And don't forget, if Mr. Obama ascends to the White House in January, he will be the biggest champion of the Chicago bid -- and his presence on the bid will weigh heavily for Chicago. Tony Blair's and Vladimir Putin's personal appearances before the IOC at Singapore and Guatemale City clinched it for London in 2006 and Sochi last year. Mr. Obama will be equally charismatic in Copenhagen next year.

[QUOTE=infernal;21426244]

And don't forget, if Mr. Obama ascends to the White House in January, he will be the biggest champion of the Chicago bid -- and his presence on the bid will weigh heavily for Chicago. Tony Blair's and Vladimir Putin's personal appearances before the IOC at Singapore and Guatemale City clinched it for London in 2006 and Sochi last year. Mr. Obama will be equally charismatic in Copenhagen next year.

i wouldnt say having big name leaders there swung any votes...just really confirmed those by people who were "fairly sure" who they were voting for.

I certainly wouldnt go changing my decision from Paris to London just becuase Blair was there. Its the whole lobbying process.

I really hope that Chicago gets it! Oh that would be amazing. And imagine Obama and MJ there helping to support the bid...I can't wait to find out!

Tokyo please.

Spain had it in 1992 and I don't want 2 in a row in Europe. I would have loved to see the Olympics in South America, but Brazilian 'fans' were a disgrace at the Pan-American Games. I doubt the IOC was too impressed either. The USA hosted in 1984 and then again in 1996. 3 times in a row as representatives of this continent isn't tolerable.

Japan hasn't hosted since 1964. Give it to them.

^^ You still keep insisting on that:ohno:
Just because half of the people there Booed the American team doesn't mean we don't deserve it.
I bet most of the people in the opening ceremony (if Rio gets it) won't be Brazilian, so I don't think that's a problem.

Still Chicagos chances is like 70% , Tokyo 15%, Rio 10% and Madrid 5% IMO:bash:

Chicago 2016
Istanbul 2020 :D

But its unrealistic
So
Madrid 2016
Chicago 2020
Istanbul 2024 :d

just 2 cents:

4.Madrid. Why? -London 2012-proximity
3. Rio. Why? -2014 World Cup. The costs of having the 2 most expensive events it's way too high for Brasil
2. Chicago. Why? American economy, politics (Iran, N.Korea, Cuba), no significant central goverment support (unless Obama changes things as one previous poster said)

leaving.....:banana:

1. Tokyo! Which is ideal in many aspects: A stable economy, a developed country, big experience in organising sporting events, superb infrastructure, politically correct in all aspects, the safer choice in other words.

Yes, but Atlanta had a metro area of over 1.5 mil in 1990; the capital of a state of 6,000,000; and the major city in a region of some 25 mil+ people -- all within its national borders.

Doha is about 95% of the country of Qatar. And what? 40% of the population are expats.

Actually Doha has 85% of the country's population, the metro from 2004 was about 500,000 to over 1 million in 2007, 75% are expats.

btw, i would go for Tokyo

So Doha just lost because of the date / weather? :nuts:

What's silly about that? Everyone has warned Doha about proposing olympics in October and the risk that's involved in that. There have never been olympics that late, and the weather in Doha in July/August is simply unbearable. I think the conclusion of the IOC can only be called logical.

i really dont understand what the fuss is about. They had to knock some cities off the list...thats life

Chicago 2016
Istanbul 2020 :D

But its unrealistic
So
Madrid 2016
Chicago 2020
Istanbul 2024 :d

If Chicago doesnt get it in 2016 then Philadelphia will likely be the bid in 2020 IMO

2. Chicago. Why? American economy, politics (Iran, N.Korea, Cuba), no significant central goverment support (unless Obama changes things as one previous poster said)

That makes no sense at all.

What's silly about that? Everyone has warned Doha about proposing olympics in October and the risk that's involved in that. There have never been olympics that late, and the weather in Doha in July/August is simply unbearable. I think the conclusion of the IOC can only be called logical.

other cities have held it the outside dates as well, not Doha only.

if i didnt say it a thousand times then the other said it a million

for gods sake Doha's population is 995,000 ! and the country as whole is 1,025,000

what kind of sterotype information is this ! check the bid book and the goverment fies both state that qatar is above a million and next year its etimated doha will reach a million fully.... by 2016 doha's population would be 2 million.

the IOC is so unfair, other cities hosted it in other timings and now they come and kick us out ! this is an outrage and an insult !!! what kind of racisim is this !

If Chicago doesnt get it in 2016 then Philadelphia will likely be the bid in 2020 IMO

Nope. Much as I also wanted it for Philly, the private poll the USOC took amongst IOC members and parties that mattered in the IFs showed that Philadelphia and Houston had the least int'l appeal amongst these sports world nabobs. The poll was taken around mid-2006 when Chicago, Houston, LA, Philly and SF were the finalists for the 2016 US candidate. Which is why Philly and Houston were quickly dropped, and the other 3 advanced to the final round.

Besides, the USOC would next go for Winter 2022; and Denver and Reno-Tahoe are already gunning to be the US candidate.

If Chicago fails next year, the next US city to probably run again might be SF or NYC (if they get their frigging main stadium -- even a temporary one -- and Village plans together. Those 2 have to hand-in-hand. The IOC likes only the premier/capital cities of a country to stage their Games.

^^ its true !!! some as far as december according to somthing i read in games bids..

if i didnt say it a thousand times then the other said it a million

for gods sake Doha's population is 995,000 ! and the country as whole is 1,025,000

what kind of sterotype information is this ! check the bid book and the goverment fies both state that qatar is above a million and next year its etimated doha will reach a million fully.... by 2016 doha's population would be 2 million.

the IOC is so unfair, other cities hosted it in other timings and now they come and kick us out ! this is an outrage and an insult !!! what kind of racisim is this !

It's NOT Racism at all. Doha's plan to stage it in October is NO longer desirable. Your argument that other cities hosted it in other timings really reduces the chances of current cities trying to use that argument.

The IOC's bread-and-butter comes from the fat TV contracts that will televise the Games. The 3 most lucrative contracts (USA, Japan and Western Europe) will only pay top dollar for those right if they occur in the July-August window. That is when the Olympics will dominate the dull TV seasons in the late summer PLUS an Olympics boradcast serves as a springboard for the upcoming season in the fall. Keep those 2 very important elements in mind.

In addition, the other sports calendars are all geared to a July-August timing of the SUmmer Games. Moving it as late as October will totally throw off those competition calendars which are this day, more or less set in stone.

In ADDITION, your country really DOESN'T yet have the critical mass to stage such a massive undertaking AND you have to accept the fact that your weather in the preferred months is really NOT kind or conducive to many outdoor sports of which 3/5ths of the sports on the Summer Olympic slate are. You and the other countries in your region will HAVE to accept that -- whether you like it or not.

That makes no sense at all.

that's what I tought :lol:

^^ so your clearly saying the middle east and north africa will never host the olympics in history ?

if i didnt say it a thousand times then the other said it a million

for gods sake Doha's population is 995,000 ! and the country as whole is 1,025,000

what kind of sterotype information is this ! check the bid book and the goverment fies both state that qatar is above a million and next year its etimated doha will reach a million fully.... by 2016 doha's population would be 2 million.

the IOC is so unfair, other cities hosted it in other timings and now they come and kick us out ! this is an outrage and an insult !!! what kind of racisim is this !


BOYCOTT 2016!!!















unless it's Rio:devil:

^^ so your clearly saying the middle east and north africa will never host the olympics in history ?

Not unless there are no cities with more temperate climate bidding.

Consider that there has never been a Summer Olympics in the equatorial belt of the world. Yes, weather has a lot to do with it. Same thing as the "Winter" Games which are even more weather and geography-dependent. Even a country like the UK or a Denmark CAN NEVER host a Winter Games because they do not have the mountains which require the minimum 800m drop for the Alpine sports.

So, yes, certain parts of the world just will NOT have a chance to host an Olympic Games -- Summer or Winter. And it's less stressful to accept that rather than try to fight it.

other cities have held it the outside dates as well, not Doha only.

I guess that's true:

London 1948: July 29th - August 14th
Helsinki 1952: July 19th - August 3rd
Melbourne 1956: November 22nd - December 8th
Rome 1960: August 25th - September 11th
Tokyo 1964: October 10th - October 24th
Mexico City 1968: October 12th - October 27th
Munich 1972: August 26th - September 10th
Montreal 1976: July 17th - August 1st
Moscow 1980: July 19th - August 3rd
Los Angeles 1984: July 28th - August 12th
Seoul 1988: September 12th - October 2nd
Barcelona 1992: July 25th - August 9th
Atlanta 1996: July 19th - August 9th
Sydney 2000: September 15th - October 1st
Athens 2004: August 13th - August 29th
Beijing 2008: August 8th - August 24th
London 2012: July 27th - August 12th

But as you can see, Melbourne, Tokyo and Mexico City were the only games that were staged that far in the year. Moreover, the 50s and 60s were totaly different times, there were probably not as much difficuties with the sporting seasons etc as there are now. The only 'modern' exeptions to the rule are Seoul and Sydney, but both ended at the beginning of October.

Besides, I can't imagine that Doha wasn't aware of the dates that were set by the IOC, so it's their own fault really.

Go Chicago! What a great city, with a great bid!

wow up to december !!! dosent this mean doha is inocent ?

wow up to december !!! dosent this mean doha is inocent ?

The IOC said Wednesday night that Doha’s desire to stage the Games in October rather than the traditional mid-summer time frame because of high temperatures was the reason the city was ejected. Spokeswoman Giselle Davies said, “the IOC…decided not to grant this exception as it conflicts with the international sporting calendar and would be bad for athletes and sports fans. Does this mean Doha or another country from the Middle East could never host the Games? No.”

IOC executive director Gilbert Felli told a news conference Thursday that it was Doha’s suggestion to host the Games between October 15 and 30 to reduce the problem of high temperatures in the desert state and it doomed its bid. He said, “of course Doha was advised that the date of the Games would be July 15-August 31. They asked for an exception and it was not accepted by the executive board”. As for future chances for other Middle East applicants, Felli said, “…. Middle East countries are not exactly all in the same place”.

http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1212681800

^^ so your clearly saying the middle east and north africa will never host the olympics in history ?

There are a few cities in the region that could work...Casablanca, Algiers, anything in Turkey, or Addis Ababa (not exactly "North" Africa, but close)

I'm really hoping Chicago gets it, unless NYC can get it in 2020. But considering I can't see that happening, I'm rooting for Chicago.

1. Rio
2. Madrid
3. Tokyo
4. Chicago

Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.

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Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.

The Rio comment was pathetic! :ohno:

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').
Don't even start. Messing this with sochi is absurd...

I would like Madrid, but I think it will be Chicago...
:dunno:

Hope that Madrid or Chicago take that.

Rio would not be a good host city, Panam Games is an example. The cariocas were awful hosts booing other competitors.

My vote went to Rio De Janiero because South America has never hosted the Summer Olympics before. And I like the idea of the Olympics as being an event that can push a city and nation to improving its environment and infrastructure.

Yet as a Hoosier it would be great if Chicago were to get the games.

Hope that Madrid or Chicago take that.

Rio would not be a good host city, Panam Games is an example. The cariocas were awful hosts booing other competitors.

Why are you so against Rio? Did you have a bad experience there? :tongue2:

Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.

It would be a waste of time to use soldier field because the stande arent even close to being able to turn into a track and field stadium.

There are a few cities in the region that could work...Casablanca, Algiers, anything in Turkey, or Addis Ababa (not exactly "North" Africa, but close)

Against "alpha" cities of the world -- London, New York, Paris, Toronto, Beijing, Capetown, Sao Paolo, Seoul, Tokyo, Rome, Berlin to name a few -- those "beta" cities you mention may not even make the shortlist. There is also such a thing as int'l appeal and world-class cache. You have to be a world-class metropolis to make it. The IOC likes their premier product exhibited in Grade-A cities.

They could try for the smaller Youth Olympic Summer Games starting in 2010. Debut city of the YSG is Singapore.

Not unless there are no cities with more temperate climate bidding.

Consider that there has never been a Summer Olympics in the equatorial belt of the world. Yes, weather has a lot to do with it. Same thing as the "Winter" Games which are even more weather and geography-dependent. Even a country like the UK or a Denmark CAN NEVER host a Winter Games because they do not have the mountains which require the minimum 800m drop for the Alpine sports.

So, yes, certain parts of the world just will NOT have a chance to host an Olympic Games -- Summer or Winter. And it's less stressful to accept that rather than try to fight it.

then how come the IOC says the Doha or the middle east still have a chance to host it?

then how come the IOC says the Doha or the middle east still have a chance to host it?

What do you want them to say? "Don't bother?" Have you heard of a thing called diplomacy? Plus it's up to the bidding city to realistically look at itself and its chances. What is the adage? To thine own self be true.

If you think you can win, go ahead. The IOC won't stop you. But they certainly won't assure you that you will win either. So if you're wise and HONEST with yourself and DON'T want to waste money and lose, then I'd say-- don't even bid.

RIO!!!

I'm going to shamelessly say Indianapolis is much more ready to host an Olympics than Chicago. From transport (Chicago traffic is awful) to existing facilities, Indy is way ahead of Chicago.

While I know this would never happen, Indy clearly too small at around 750K, but the infrastructure is there. Of course the world snobs wouldn't like it either. Haha, don't take it too seriously, but really.

Stadiums and Arenas.

Lucas Oil - 70,000

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/los904.jpg

Conseco Fieldhouse - 18,500

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/IndianaPacers/newfront.jpg

Victory Field - 16,000 - baseball is out, but it could be used for something

http://imaps.indygov.org/ed_portal/images/why/victory_field2.jpg

Hinkle Fieldhouse - 12,000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/indiana/indianapolis_hinkle1.jpg

Michael A. Carroll Track & Soccer Stadium - 12,000 - temporary Olympic Stadium Location

http://www.iupui.edu/building/pix/tf/tf_02.jpg

Indianapolis Tennis Center - 8,500 - home of the RCA Championships

http://www.indy.org/library/2005Docs/Nov/7000121/SPT-142.jpg

Pepsi Coliseum - 8,200:

http://indiana-state-fair.visit-indianapolis.com/pepsi-coliseum.jpg


IUPUI Natatorium - 6,200 - largest and best in the nation

http://k43.pbase.com/o4/39/557039/1/56723192.LSPool6170lores.jpg

Major Taylor Velodrome - over 5,000 - 1 of 18 in US

http://www.kgsbikes.com/images/imgMain1/1985%20majtaylrlrg.JPG

Proper Reservoir for Water Games.

Eagle Creek Reservoir has hosted the World Rowing Championships, NCAA Rowing Championships, USRowing National Championships, etc.

http://www.deitchley.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mm07quad1s.jpg

Marathon Route - Annual Mini Marathon of 35,000 entrants

http://www.mswoods.com/in/Indianapolis/Pictures/Events/Mini-Marathon2.jpg
http://www.mswoods.com/in/Indianapolis/Pictures/Events/Mini-Marathon.jpg

Expanded convention center, note Lucas Oil in the background.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1189/686610490_26db101117_o.jpg

Indy held the 1987 Pan Am games. Just renovate here and there. Build a couple more hotels. Big London-esque temporary stadium. That's all it would take!

What about public transportation?

The IOC said Chicago's public transportation needed work...and Chicago's PT is far better than Indianapolis...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/jlew24asu/DEF_24-4.jpg

Madrid, of course.

I think Madrid will get them in 2016, they also bid for the Olympic Games in 2012 and London got them by mistake (there was a vote for Madrid which wasn't properly counted) and as for the bid itself, Madrid has got the best one out of the four applicant cities.

We should remember Madrid got the first position in nine of the thirteen different sectors in which the IOC valued the applicant cities. Madrid has got a very strong bid, inherited from Madrid 2012 and made even stronger.

Having London 2012 should not be a problem for Madrid since continent rotation is not a clear rule to select a host city. Since 1906 and until 1928, the Olympic Games were hosted in European cities: Athens, London, Stockholm, Berlin, Amberes, Paris and Amsterdam. Then again from 1936 and until 1952 the OG were hosted in Europe again: Berlin, Helsinki, London and Helsinki again.

Madrid would be applying for the THIRD time after 1972 and 2012 so, in my opinion, and having read the whole report, is more likely to win.

www.madrid2016.es

I am from Madrid....but unfortunately Madrid won´t host 2016 games. London is just 01:30 hours away.
But if Madrid wanna have 2012 games must try in 2016 as we tried already in 2012. IOC likes cities trying it until the have it (except poor Paris).

the only chance to get it in Copenhange is if in the first round Rio is the last city, so in the nex one most of the European (there is not other UE city there) and latinamerica votes wuld go to Madrid, as de USA votes went to London last time...

Madrid and Tokyo have, by far, the best bids. Chicago comes second and Rio has the worst of all. So it should be between those two, and it will be down to how much they improve and how well they market the bid. That's speaking objectively.

Then comes in politics. Chicago has, just by being in the USA a massive chance of winning them due to the fact that it is the only city sitting on an anglosaxon country. And the anglosaxon world counts for a lot of votes. Tokyo has Asian countries behind it and Madrid should have fair support within the EU. Rio counts for Latin American votes, which it will fight for along with Madrid and Chicago.

That said, if it's on a continent location basis, Rio should get them straight away. But Brazil doesn't offer that much experience nor security to host such an event, so it would be a risky decision from the IOC. I guess another "experiment" with an emergen country will depend on how well Beijing runs it's own Olympics this summer.

My bet is on Río being eliminated first, and it's votes splitting between Chicago and Madrid. Tokyo will slip easily into the last round and it will be between Chicago and Madrid, and there pretty much anything can happen. It will depend on how well both bids have marketed themselves to the IOC members. In any case, Tokyo will lose the games to whichever passes be it Chicago or Madrid. Why? Well, London already got it's third games in 2012 and Tokyo would be repeating as well. And both Chicago and Madrid have really good bids with a lot of support. Madrid has London too close, but it has arguably the best bid, especially on environmental and legacy issues, highly valued by the IOC. Chicago has a good bid, has the continent rotation factor on it's favour but the USA have hosted 1 out of every 7 Olympic games. And the fact that most of the Latin American vote will go for Madrid, given the bad image the USA has granted itself throughout Latin America.

In any case, it's all down to politics and if Obama lobbies enough, Chicago will get the Olympics. As simple as that, and it doesn't matter if there are better bids. Nobody gave a damn about London 2012 but they won in the final voting, even though their bid wasn't the best. So, who knows.

But I would really love Madrid to get them. I think it would be the perfect host.

Go Tokyo!:cheer:

Madrid and Tokyo have, by far, the best bids. Chicago comes second and Rio has the worst of all. So it should be between those two, and it will be down to how much they improve and how well they market the bid. That's speaking objectively.

Then comes in politics. Chicago has, just by being in the USA a massive chance of winning them due to the fact that it is the only city sitting on an anglosaxon country. And the anglosaxon world counts for a lot of votes. Tokyo has Asian countries behind it and Madrid should have fair support within the EU. Rio counts for Latin American votes, which it will fight for along with Madrid and Chicago.

That said, if it's on a continent location basis, Rio should get them straight away. But Brazil doesn't offer that much experience nor security to host such an event, so it would be a risky decision from the IOC. I guess another "experiment" with an emergen country will depend on how well Beijing runs it's own Olympics this summer.

And the fact that most of the Latin American vote will go for Madrid, given the bad image the USA has granted itself throughout Latin America.

In any case, it's all down to politics and if Obama lobbies enough, Chicago will get the Olympics. As simple as that, and it doesn't matter if there are better bids. Nobody gave a damn about London 2012 but they won in the final voting, even though their bid wasn't the best. So, who knows.

But I would really love Madrid to get them. I think it would be the perfect host.

Madrid is NOT as strong as you think. There are other Euro nations angling for 2020.

OK, Doha was cut because of 'weather.' Well, Madrid is hotter than Hades in July-August. So how can Madrid say it's the 'perfect' place? Hmmmm. Barcelona is by the sea so there were a few breezes.

Latin American votes lining up behind Madrid? I don't think so. (Besides there are only I think like 7 or 8 counting 2 Brazilian votes.) For one thing, Lima and Buenos Aires are also hoping for 2020. So even on the first round, Rio will not have its own neighbors in its pocket.

Strategically, my head says the final round will be between Chicago and Tokyo. Emotionally, my heart says it will be between Chicago and Rio. But 2014 will be also now be weighing heavy against Rio. They have not proven themselves until 2014 happens. (The PanAms really don't count. Look, Doha did a better job with the Asians, yet they were out...)

The stars seem to align for Chicago...

never mind..

Against "alpha" cities of the world -- London, New York, Paris, Toronto, Beijing, Capetown, Sao Paulo, Seoul, Tokyo, Rome, Berlin to name a few -- those "beta" cities you mention may not even make the shortlist. There is also such a thing as int'l appeal and world-class cache. You have to be a world-class metropolis to make it. The IOC likes their premier product exhibited in Grade-A cities.


My response was to a question about the ME/NA ever hosting the event. I certainly don't think any of my listed cities (exception for Istanbul) will host in the next 20 years, but there do exist temperate cities in the region that could host once they enter the "alpha" world.

How about a comparable list of Chicago's facilities? Sorry but Indy you don't compare!

Chicago!

(I have no good argument to support my case, and nothing else to add) :)

Madrid is NOT as strong as you think. There are other Euro nations angling for 2020.

OK, Doha was cut because of 'weather.' Well, Madrid is hotter than Hades in July-August. So how can Madrid say it's the 'perfect' place? Hmmmm. Barcelona is by the sea so there were a few breezes.

The stars seem to align for Chicago...

Funny as hell (I bet point of view is not determined by where you are, is it :). A bit I found about Chicago weather:
"Chicago has an extreme climate with very hot summers and bitterly cold winters. (...) Summers are hot, sunny and humid, from June to the end of September, and are prone to thunderstorms. August is usually the wettest month of the year." (by worldtravels.com)
It works just as much as a disadvantage for Chicago, as hot and dry summer does for Madrid. So let's not go into arguments like this. Extreme hot was Doha and this is where counting climate should end.

Funny as hell (I bet point of view is not determined by where you are, is it :). A bit I found about Chicago weather:
"Chicago has an extreme climate with very hot summers and bitterly cold winters. (...) Summers are hot, sunny and humid, from June to the end of September, and are prone to thunderstorms. August is usually the wettest month of the year." (by worldtravels.com)
It works just as much as a disadvantage for Chicago, as hot and dry summer does for Madrid. So let's not go into arguments like this. Extreme hot was Doha and this is where counting climate should end.

And why not? Don't you think the IOC looks at the 'weather'? WHy shouldn't it be discussed?

I never said or indicated that Chicago had perfect weather. Yes, it is summer. But there ARE thunderstorms to cool things off AND it is by a huge lake. Madrid's summer heat is quite debilitating. I found it to be. I have been in Madrid in July. No fun.

All things being equal, Rio has its harbor; Tokyo its bay, Chicago Lake Michigan. (If anything, Rio will probably have the best climate because it will be their mild 'winter' down there...) So that puts 3 of of the 4 finalist cities beside major bodies of water...to help cool the city. Madrid is on a plateau in the middle of the Castilian plains...

But that is NOT the only feature that will determine the selection... it is just ONE of the myriad of factors that come into play.

GOOO MADRID!! or TOKYOO!!

Indy has poor public transport, it's so small.

Indy does compare to Chicago. Make a list of Chicago's facilities, I bet they are not as good as those in Indianapolis.

My point being while Chicago is entirely capable of hosting an Olympics in 2016, they have a lot of work to do. I suppose most cities do, but I also wanted to plug Indy. :)

I hope Chicago gets it so I can attend. They would have lots of construction to follow as well. :cheers:

They would have lots of construction to follow as well. :cheers:

Which in some perverse way is what the IOC likes to see. The IOC likes to mouth '...no white elephants...' but actually salivates at the prospect of seeing a lot of grandiose construction.

I think Chicago would be a best location. I don't think the IOC would want another "Athens" with Rio de Janeiro on problems such as security, delays, etc.

If Obama turns up in Copenhagen next year, fresh faced not long after an election victory, Chicago could be givien a major boost.

If Obama turns up in Copenhagen next year, fresh faced not long after an election victory, Chicago could be givien a major boost.

Knowing his ambition, how could he not pass up that shot at extra international exposure?

It's not just that, we know the IOC love a leader gracing their precence; Blair and Putin worked wonders for their countries in the days leading up to the elections in 2005 and 2007. With that history, Chicago 2016 would be silly not to court Obama if he wins the Presidency.

Madrid is NOT as strong as you think. There are other Euro nations angling for 2020.

OK, Doha was cut because of 'weather.' Well, Madrid is hotter than Hades in July-August. So how can Madrid say it's the 'perfect' place? Hmmmm. Barcelona is by the sea so there were a few breezes.

Latin American votes lining up behind Madrid? I don't think so. (Besides there are only I think like 7 or 8 counting 2 Brazilian votes.) For one thing, Lima and Buenos Aires are also hoping for 2020. So even on the first round, Rio will not have its own neighbors in its pocket.

Strategically, my head says the final round will be between Chicago and Tokyo. Emotionally, my heart says it will be between Chicago and Rio. But 2014 will be also now be weighing heavy against Rio. They have not proven themselves until 2014 happens. (The PanAms really don't count. Look, Doha did a better job with the Asians, yet they were out...)

The stars seem to align for Chicago...


Talking from the IOC report, Madrid has the best bid along with Tokyo. And the Latin American vote will line up behind Madrid once Rio is out of the way, no doubts about that.

About the weather, Madrid during August has an average temperature of what...30, 32 ºC? Doha is probably over 40 on average...there is a big difference. Doha is in the middle of the desert, with extreme weather. Madrid has a European continental weather, that is hot but not humid, and is by far more bearable than Barcelona or even New York.

And it's true that Madrid has no coast, but on the other hand it has at a mere 3 hours by car (and even less once the high speed train is completed by 2010) a city like Valencia which has hosted twice the America's Cup and has a bunch of sailing facilities that many other cities can only dream of.

MADRID OR TOKYO MMMM

Madrid has a great bid, but london 2012 and then Madrid 2016... I would get it if it was London 2012 and Prague 2016 which is farther. Spain and England is so close.

my opinion of who has the chances of getting 2016
1) Chicago
2) Tokyo, maybe Rio if Beijing 2008 has a negative effect in their bid
3) Rio
4) Madrid

It's just that most American cities have equal or more facilities. Only one venue of 20,000 plus isn't very good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_el_pr/political_play_of_the_day

Play of the Day: Obama pitches Olympic bid

CHICAGO - Barack Obama says if Chicago is chosen to host the 2016 Olympics, he's hoping there will be a hometown president to kick off the games.
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"In 2016, I'll be wrapping up my second term as president," Obama said. "So I can't think of a better way than to be marching into Washington Park ... as president of the United States and announcing to the world, 'Let the games begin!'"

The Illinois senator, spending a weekend at home after clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, made a surprise appearance at a downtown rally Friday to promote the city's bid. He drew loud cheers from the crowd and gawkers pressed up to windows from the high rise office buildings surrounding the rally.

Obama joked that his home is only a couple blocks from Washington Park, the proposed site of the games, so he's thinking about how much he could get for renting it out. He's hoping to be living in the White House any way.

Chicago is competing to host the games along with Tokyo; Madrid, Spain; and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Obama was joined at the rally by other elected officials and dignitaries from the city and athletes including track and field gold medalist Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

"It is a great time to be in Chicago," Obama said. "White Sox are winning. Cubs are winning. And Chicago's going to win the 2016 Olympics and Paralympics. And your senator, he's winning, too."

Ri:cool:

I'm sorry but Indianapolis would have zero chances against the likes of Madrid, Tokyo & rio

Indianapolis facilities vs. Chicago facilities? Seriously? Lets see, Soldier Field (60,000+), U.S. Cellular (40,000+), Wrigley field (40,000+), United Center (20,000+), UIC Pavilion, Ryan Field (Northwestern - 50,000), Toyota Park (20,000), Allstate Arena (20,000), Sears Center (11,000 +), Chicago State's new basketball arena (7,000 +), Loyola's Gentile Center (5,000 +, with plans to expand soon). And that's only a partial list, not including the entire lakefront of lake michigan, the planned new Olympic Stadium, one of the biggest convention centers in the world, and the fact that Chicago annually hosts one of the largest marathons in the world.

Most American cities don't have equal facilities.

Athens only had one venue over 20,000 not including their Olympic Stadium.

I was looking at all the venues from Athens and wow! They build all kinds of places from scratch and they are magnificent. Guess that's the building the IOC likes as mentioned above.

Existing facilities to build upon don't seem too important for the Olympics, or at least they aren't inhibiting factors. Looking at Chicago's bid, they'll just build everything. http://www.chicago2016.org/why-chicago/Pages/OurProposedVenues.aspx

Good luck on the bid.

And Well, Indy still has great sporting facilities. hehe :)

Indianapolis facilities vs. Chicago facilities? Seriously? Lets see, Soldier Field (60,000+), U.S. Cellular (40,000+), Wrigley field (40,000+), United Center (20,000+), UIC Pavilion, Ryan Field (Northwestern - 50,000), Toyota Park (20,000), Allstate Arena (20,000), Sears Center (11,000 +), Chicago State's new basketball arena (7,000 +), Loyola's Gentile Center (5,000 +, with plans to expand soon). And that's only a partial list, not including the entire lakefront of lake michigan, the planned new Olympic Stadium, one of the biggest convention centers in the world, and the fact that Chicago annually hosts one of the largest marathons in the world.

If you are going to include facilities in the exurbs of Chicago, then Indy should include some of the very good athletic facilities on the campuses of Indiana and Purdue Universities.

If you are going to include facilities in the exurbs of Chicago, then Indy should include some of the very good athletic facilities on the campuses of Indiana and Purdue Universities.

All of those facilities are in the immediate Chicago metro area. IU (Bloomington) and PU (West Lafayette) are not in the Indianapolis metro area. If you wan to go that route, then I'll throw in the facilities in Rockford, Milwaukee, South Bend, Bloomington-Normal, Peoria, and the University of Illinois down in Champaign. Indianapolis has some great athletic facilities...but lets be real here, they don't have near the amount as Chicago does.

I wouldn't count Wrigley or US Cellular, I don't know what events they would put in those venues. I just see no equal tennis, velodrome, natatorium or rowing centers in Chicago. Arenas are nice, but I'm considering variety.

Chicago can build new places and host a brilliant games, they just don't have them yet.

So Indy facilities vs. Chicago facilities, serious. And the Chicago's marathon is only 10,000 more than Indy's. And we host two 300,000 spectator single day sporting events.

Our new airport is opening too.

http://www.indianapolis-airport.info/images/r_new_terminal4.jpg

I know Indy will never host the Olympics. But it's fun to be biased and argue. :cheers:

Which in some perverse way is what the IOC likes to see. The IOC likes to mouth '...no white elephants...' but actually salivates at the prospect of seeing a lot of grandiose construction.

So true, they are totally infatuiated with their own "legacy".

........Such a lame thread, as much as I respect and like my neighbor city to the souteast Inday doesn't have the infrastructure that REALLY cost a lot and you can't buy with bonds like international airline routes and plethora of downtown and area hotel rooms.

Not to mention the two biggest venues (the track and swimming facility) are inadquate in Inday and would have to basically be redone to such a level that starting from the ground up like Chicago plans would only be minimal more work.

I wouldn't count Wrigley or US Cellular

Yet you are going to include your 16k minor league baseball stadium.:nuts:

All of those facilities are in the immediate Chicago metro area. IU (Bloomington) and PU (West Lafayette) are not in the Indianapolis metro area. If you wan to go that route, then I'll throw in the facilities in Rockford, Milwaukee, South Bend, Bloomington-Normal, Peoria, and the University of Illinois down in Champaign. Indianapolis has some great athletic facilities...but lets be real here, they don't have near the amount as Chicago does.

Indiana and Purdue Universities are one hour from DT Indianapolis. Peoria, Champaign, etc. are all 3+ hours from Chicago. Don't go there.

Hoffman Estates and Aurora are longer than one hour by car from Chicago.

Such a lame reply. Clearly I'm not very serious. But our Natatorium wouldn't need much work to be Olympic ready, it's already the best in the US.

Yea, our baseball stadium shouldn't really be counted then.

I really do hope Chicago gets the 2016 bid btw.

Such a lame reply. Clearly I'm not very serious. But our Natatorium wouldn't need much work to be Olympic ready, it's already the best in the US.

Yea, our baseball stadium shouldn't really be counted then.

What do you mean? An appropiate olympic swimming facility holds 15-20k. You would have to take off the whole roof of the structure and retrofit it.

Indiana and Purdue Universities are one hour from DT Indianapolis. Peoria, Champaign, etc. are all 3+ hours from Chicago. Don't go there.

Hoffman Estates and Aurora are longer than one hour by car from Chicago.

I've driven from DT Chicago to Champaign many times, and it takes nowhere near 3 hours. It takes about two, but sometimes less. And if it takes you more than an hour to get to Hoffmann Estates you're either in a pretty bad traffic jam or driving way too slow. I've driven that route many times as well. Purdue isn't much closer to Indy than Milwaukee is to Chicago. You can get to all the facilities I initially listed via public transportation.

Hmm yea they are twice as big. Retrofitting would be pricey.

Well screw it, I guess everything will need to be built from scratch anyway. That sort of kills the diverse venues that need some work argument.

With that in mind I guess Indy isn't more "ready." We're just more diverse, which is irrelevant to the Olympics.

Not the best argument on my part, but oh well, good luck in 2016.

I think Chicago would be a best location. I don't think the IOC would want another "Athens" with Rio de Janeiro on problems such as security, delays, etc.

The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?:dunno:
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!;)

The only really advantage I see that Indy has is the compatively small venues in the Indianapolis Tennis Center though tennis facility Chicago plans is an awesome scenic location right in the park along the lake (with many courts just no stands as of now).

The other is the velodrom though there is one in suburban Northbrook though they plan to build one also on Northerly Island along the lake for the games (hopefully they will make it permanent as it could get a long of use by bike enthusiast in that with the lakefront path jammed in summer with serious bike riders).

If Chicago gets it there will probably be terrorist attempts

The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?:dunno:
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!;)

ROFL. Look at Rio's crime rate and poverty and Chicago's. Great disparity there.

IMHO, the terrorist menace is present everywhere, not just in the USA.

Didn't Madrid was victim of a terrorist attack a few years ago? What about Tokyo? The same.

Seriously, the real advantages Rio has is the fact that Brazil has never hosted the games and that they are hosting the World Cup (and that may go against them as well, as was previously discussed).

The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?:dunno:
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!;)

What a stupid uninformed post.

The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"! - Of course not; they're getting the #2 (or #3) city in the US. And THEY picked Atlanta in 1996 because ATHENS wasn't ready. (Athens, GA, was ready to welcome the world. :lol: :lol: And 8 years later in 2004, your Athens again wasn't almost ready.) Are you aware of the palpitations Athens' non-preparations gave the IOC? They were 3 months short of pulling the plug on Athens and giving 2004 to Seoul or LA, who were the secret back-ups. Duh! How quickly we forget.

Greater security issues. Exactly. Like Athens was so well-guarded the 1st week of the Games, it scared everybody off and NOBODY CAME!! :lol: :lol: Do you really think we have such short memories of forgetting how EMPTY THE stadia were in Athens and how unhappy and frustrated the IOC was?

The bombing that happened in Atlanta was in a PUBLIC PARK -- not in an official Olympic venue. And talking about breaches of Olympic security,

* what about the crazy fool who crashed the swimming venue in Athens? The pool was supposed to be a sanctioned, security zone.

* Or the deranged, sexually repressed Irish priest who accosted the poor Brazilian runner in the marathon, huh? Where was Athens' security then you might ask?

Duh!! :ohno:

But our Natatorium wouldn't need much work to be Olympic ready, it's already the best in the US.


Yes it would. Each of the sports federations UP their required seating capacities for their respective venues come Olympics time. FINA asks for 15,000 seats for their main Olympic venues.

It's not just that, we know the IOC love a leader gracing their precence; Blair and Putin worked wonders for their countries in the days leading up to the elections in 2005 and 2007. With that history, Chicago 2016 would be silly not to court Obama if he wins the Presidency.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_el_pr/political_play_of_the_day

Play of the Day: Obama pitches Olympic bid

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 45 minutes ago



Barack Obama says if Chicago is chosen to host the 2016 Olympics, he's hoping there will be a hometown president to kick off the games.

"In 2016, I'll be wrapping up my second term as president," Obama said. "So I can't think of a better way than to be marching into Washington Park ... as president of the United States and announcing to the world, 'Let the games begin!'"

The Illinois senator, spending a weekend at home after clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, made a surprise appearance at a downtown rally Friday to promote the city's bid. He drew loud cheers from the crowd and gawkers pressed up to windows from the high rise office buildings surrounding the rally.

Obama joked that his home is only a couple blocks from Washington Park, the proposed site of the games, so he's thinking about how much he could get for renting it out. He's hoping to be living in the White House any way.

Chicago is competing to host the games along with Tokyo; Madrid, Spain; and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Obama was joined at the rally by other elected officials and dignitaries from the city and athletes including track and field gold medalist Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

"It is a great time to be in Chicago," Obama said. "White Sox are winning. Cubs are winning. And Chicago's going to win the 2016 Olympics and Paralympics. And your senator, he's winning, too."


http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/06/06/PH2008060602882.jpg

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., second from right, Olympic athlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee, and others, applaud at a Chicago 2016 Olympic rally, June 6, 2008, at the Daley Center Plaza in Chicago. (Associated Press)

I wouldn't count Wrigley or US Cellular, I don't know what events they would put in those venues. I just see no equal tennis, velodrome, natatorium or rowing centers in Chicago. Arenas are nice, but I'm considering variety.

Chicago can build new places and host a brilliant games, they just don't have them yet.

So Indy facilities vs. Chicago facilities, serious. And the Chicago's marathon is only 10,000 more than Indy's. And we host two 300,000 spectator single day sporting events.

Our new airport is opening too.

http://www.indianapolis-airport.info/images/r_new_terminal4.jpg

I know Indy will never host the Olympics. But it's fun to be biased and argue. :cheers:

Why doesn't Indy again go for another PanAms? That's the 2nd largest int'l, mutli-sport event that the US can hope to host. I mean San Antonio's interest in the PanAms seems to have fizzled and certainly Indy's not going to go for a Gay Games (while Chicago has already hosted both the PanAms and the Gay Games).

Why are you so against Rio? Did you have a bad experience there? :tongue2:


I just think its too much money to spend and the feedback its not enough.
Remember that Brazil will host the 2014 WC.

1896 Atenas
1900 París
1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam
1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki
1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..

To tin_larriera: The real Olympics always has great feedback, I bet it will for Rio. Olympics in Rio might urbanize the slums, increase the size of the subway, construct better roads, increase jobs, and ect.

The 2014 WC may or may not help the bid.
Might help by getting infrastructure for 2016 better.
Might ruin because as the IOC said, "we don't want to feel like we are pudding."

I think the Olympics in Rio will help a lot in its negatives

1896 Atenas
1900 París
1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam
1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki
1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..

Si, antes de la guerra segunda mundial. Estas viendo el mundo antes la entrada del viajando por jet, y el mundo olimpiado era mas or menos limitado por europa, los americas y partes de asia y australia. El mundo is muy diferente ahora. Con los miembros del IOC veniendo de toas partes del mundo, es mas internacional ahora entonces tiene la rotacion de los continentes mas or menos.

[Yes before the 2nd World War, there was a time when the Olympic world was largely confined to Western Europe, the Americas and parts of Asia. With the advent of jet travel and a global village, it is a lot more international now (as is the membership of the IOC), so the Summer Olympics takes on a much more international character to it. Thus, there is the informal rotation taking place.

1896 Atenas
1900 París
1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam
1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki
1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..



If Tokyo gets it it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Asia

^^Kind of a pattern

If Madrid gets it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Europe

Europe 2x?

If Tokyo gets it it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Asia

^^Kind of a pattern

If Madrid gets it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Europe

Europe 2x?

That's why 2016 will either be Chicago or Rio. But Rio/Brazil will be too burdened with 2014. All the major sponsors and a lot of gov't funds will first go to 2014; thereby leaving very little for 2016. So Chicago may edge out Rio for that reason. There is NO COMPETING global event in Chicago within 6 years leading up to 2016.

all i know is that it won't be madrid, not with the previous olympics being hosted in the same continent

all i know is that it won't be madrid, not with the previous olympics being hosted in the same continent

Absolutely. There would be a rebellion within the IOC ranks if that were to happen. It would not be pretty.

That's why 2016 will either be Chicago or Rio. But Rio/Brazil will be too burdened with 2014. All the major sponsors and a lot of gov't funds will first go to 2014; thereby leaving very little for 2016. So Chicago may edge out Rio for that reason. There is NO COMPETING global event in Chicago within 6 years leading up to 2016.

That's what I tought before I heard what the president of IOC said.
He said that WC 2014 could help Rio getting 2016 since money will be spent in infrastructure in Rio in 2014 like in stadiums.

So now I don't know if it will help or ruin it :(

That's what I tought before I heard what the president of IOC said.
He said that WC 2014 could help Rio getting 2016 since money will be spent in infrastructure in Rio in 2014 like in stadiums.

So now I don't know if it will help or ruin it :(

Well, Rio would have 2 good football stadia from 2014, I guess still a lot of good installations from PanAm 2007 -- but you'd still need a brand-new Village and at least half-a-dozen other halls/stadia for the full complement of the SOG sports.

^^ That's not much, we can do it! :D

It was a good bid for the first time ever. I am looking forward to see the bid of Baku for 2020 Olympics :) I am sure this time Baku will be more prepared ;)

RIO!!!!!!!

Chicago should get it.

Bye Baku :hahaha:

The short list report.

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_1317.pdf

Tokyo 8.6, Madrid 8.4, Chicago 7.4, Rio 6.8

Like in 2012 Madrid gets the highest qualification in 7 out of 11 issues involved in the procedure. At least its bid is always a very good one.

By the way, I think Chicago or Rio will get them.

A new video I found on youtube showing Rio's beauty

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A new video I found on youtube showing Rio's beauty

BZY3C6pQVBY


then check this out
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^^Lovin the skyscrapers, but Madrid, Tokyo or Chicago can't beat the scenery Rio has

I'd prefer it to go to Rio because the Olympics have never been to South America. Chicago would be a very able host city as well. As would Tokyo but I'm afraid Madrid is too soon after London to expect 2 European Olympics in a row. Europe need not be greedy here, there have been more than enough Olympics in Europe over the years.

1896 Europe
1900 Europe
1904 North America
1908 Europe
1912 Europe
1916 World War I
1920 Europe
1924 Europe
1928 Europe
1932 North America
1936 Europe
1940 World War II
1944 World War II
1948 Europe
1952 Europe
1956 Oceania
1960 Europe
1964 Asia
1968 North America
1972 Europe
1976 North America
1980 Europe
1984 North America
1988 Asia
1992 Europe
1996 North America
2000 Oceania
2004 Europe
2008 Asia
2012 Europe

Europe - 16
North America - 6
Asia - 3
Oceania - 2

1- Rio
2- Tokyo
3- Madrid
4- Chicago

I really wanted to see these games in Doha. It's a pain it's not gonna happen...

And Rio, of course, is a great candidate, the only 'problem' is the WC. I guess it'd be better to host the 2020 olympics.

^^Lovin the skyscrapers, but Madrid, Tokyo or Chicago can't beat the scenery Rio has

Tokyo beats the scenery of Madrid, Chicago and Rio, even if half of the city got destroyed by Godzilla.

Heart:

-Tokyo
-Madrid
-Chicago
-Rio

Sense:

-Tokyo
-Chicago
-Madrid
-Rio

^^ well that's your opinion, so I'm not going to argue :tongue2:

Tokyo beats the scenery of Madrid, Chicago and Rio, even if half of the city got destroyed by Godzilla.



You must be joking
HAUHAUHAUAHUAHAUHAUAHUAHUAHAUHAUAHUAHAU


NEVER!!!!!!!!!

Tokyo beats the scenery of Madrid, Chicago and Rio, even if half of the city got destroyed by Godzilla.

....

even if half of the city got destroyed by Godzilla.


now to think of it...
A flat piece with some destroyed skyscrapers looks better Rio, Chicago or Madrid???

1- Rio
2- Tokyo
3- Madrid
4- Chicago

I really wanted to see these games in Doha. It's a pain it's not gonna happen...

And Rio, of course, is a great candidate, the only 'problem' is the WC. I guess it'd be better to host the 2020 olympics.

Why Chicago last?

I smell Anti-Americanism...

Why Chicago last?

I smell Anti-Americanism...

any one who puts Madrid over Chicago is nuts. Even if Madrid had the best bid ever it just wont be far enough from London 2012

Why is Madrid serious with this bid?
If they get it we should make another IOC ourselves IOC=International Olimpiad community :devil:

which will soon be better then the original IOC making them close their doors:happy:

Why is Madrid serious with this bid?
If they get it we should make another IOC ourselves IOC=International Olimpiad community :devil:

which will soon be better then the original IOC making them close their doors:happy:

the list should be:

1.Everyone else
4.Madrid

^^ yup

South America deserves a chance to stage the Olympics. Brazil is an upcoming world power. This is its time to make a grand appearance as one of the big goons on the world stage. Rio should get it.

BTW, Is there any chance that other cities might be allowed to join the race at a later stage? I dont believe another european or american city should be considered so soon. It would really be nice to see new entrants.

I've got a strong feeling that Chicago would clinch IOC vote.

I would have loved to have seen them in Australia again. We did host the "best games ever",, quote Juan Antonio Samaranch.

I just wanted to add that a European city will not get 2016 as London has it in 2012, thoughts are Tokyo, mind you all the cites vying for it are not that exciting.

I would have loved to have seen them in Australia again. We did host the "best games ever",, quote Juan Antonio Samaranch.

Every olympics is called the best games ever...except atlanta, it wasnt

Shall I repeat the continent rotation is not a written rule to follow for the IOC and that that supposed rule has not been followed many times? You just need to see Europe has repeated organising the Olympic Games several times in a row!

Madrid has got the same chance as the other cities, and even more because of the results it got on the IOC report!

Go Madrid!

Rio 2016

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Videos for Madrid 2016, I'll get some of the videos used for the Madrid 2012 bid as for now:

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This video talks about the infrastructures for the Olympic Games (Madrid 2012):
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Environmental Madrid 2016:
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Madrid 2012 y los Dioses:
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as long as Samaranch is alive Madrid has a chance

Every olympics is called the best games ever...except atlanta, it wasnt

They were "MOST EXCEPTIONAL" -- so they were special. :)

"Best Games" was only silly Samaranch's terminology. Rogge has stopped using that.

as long as Samaranch is alive Madrid has a chance

Hopefully, he'll kick the bucket before October next year.

They were "MOST EXCEPTIONAL" -- so they were special. :)

"Best Games" was only silly Samaranch's terminology. Rogge has stopped using that.

"incredible,dream games"..-athens

Everyone knows one of the best Olympic Games where those which took place in Barcelona in 1992 ;)

Hopefully, he'll kick the bucket before October next year.

Ah, nice comment. I can see a bit of...¿remorse? Well, whatever it is, I don't want to know.




Some people really don't know how to behave themselves. What a pity.

RIO 2016

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:cheers:

^^ Very good!!
Rio is an amazing city.

Everyone knows one of the best Olympic Games where those which took place in Barcelona in 1992 ;)

Said the spider to the fly. Sorry to burst your bubble, but for Summer, Sydney overtook Barcelona as the MORE PHENOMENAL Games. Winter is Salt Lake.

Ah, nice comment. I can see a bit of...¿remorse? Well, whatever it is, I don't want to know.




Some people really don't know how to behave themselves. What a pity.

Yeah, and be a hypocrite like some people here? :ohno:

As stated by IED, "After putting on probably one of the best Olympics ever, Barcelona has confirmed itself as the ideal context for major international events: conferences, exhibitions, installations, fashion shows and parties all offer excellent conditions for designers in all areas to express and compare ideas, trends and projects. Barcelona is, in short, a city of sensations."

http://www.ied.edu/City/Barcelona/


And stated by the BBC, "The 1992 Games went down as one of the best Olympiads ever, and for once not one single nation boycotted the Olympics"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics2000/fans_guide/features/history/872948.stm

And stated by the BBC, "The 1992 Games went down as one of the best Olympiads ever, and for once not one single nation boycotted the Olympics"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics2000/fans_guide/features/history/872948.stm

Doesn't mean anything. :ohno: None of the Winter Games have been boycotted. All the Summer Games since 1992 -- so Atlanta, Sydney, Athens have been boycott-free. So that's not such a unique record anymore.

rio or tokyo should get it

but rio is too soon after the world cup

so tokyo should get it

Chicago 2016
SODWRicA3_s

Chicago wins no matter what. The cool thing about Olympics is that you get to build some no arenas, stadiums and velodromes (did i spell that right?) and you bring in world class architects to do it....unless your Atlanta.

Gay Games

WTF!?

WTF!?

whats wrong with gay games?

^ That's was spectacular :)

Economy & politics are key elements in IOC's deciding about the actual host city , at least the last couple of decades. Politics is always the no1 element, whereas economy can sometimes be way lower in ranking.
Therefore, although some people from the US may not like it, those two factors rigth now are not on Chicagos side. I mean the US economy has definately seen better days than the present, although on a local level, some may argue that a city like Chicago can put together all necessary budgeting even without any federal aid. I'm not a specialist in Illinois economy, but a solid and persuasive business plan must be included in Chicago's bid folder. The perception the world has about US economy is that it is facing serious trouble. But economy is primary an affair of sentiment & expectations. And a new, fresh US administration (go Obama! :D ) can invert the negative climate.

Still, the no1 crucial factor is politics. And the terms "politics" & "IOC" when put together, have proven to be historically something very complicated of a liaison. I mean, continents' allocation & rotation (Europe vs Asia vs N./S. America vs.....) IS a matter of politics. The association of the olympics' host with other major events' hosting (i.e. World Cup) IS a political affair (remember S.Africa?) that needs to be calculated in the equation. Also, blocks of voting within the IOC, have been historically THE driving force of chossing city "A" over city "B". That means building alliances, based on different grounds each time: Geography, politics, e.t.c. I do believe that for the moment, Chicago will have a tough time in building a solid block within the IOC, because politically it will not be easy for a significant part of the delegates to favor a US candidacy, once their no1 choice will be dropped and the shortlist will end up to something like Chicago vs Tokyo (remeber the "rounds" system of voting?). Why? Because of the foreign policy of the current US administration.Tokyo will appear as a more "neutral" & "politically correct" choice for many. IOC will not want to have issues with Cuban, N. Korean, Serbian, Syrian, Palestinian or Iranian teams, having to compete on US soil ( "war on terror" ring a bell?).

But all the above are mere assumptions......

Economy & politics are key elements in IOC's deciding about the actual host city , at least the last couple of decades. Politics is always the no1 element, whereas economy can sometimes be way lower in ranking.
Therefore, although some people from the US may not like it, those two factors rigth now are not on Chicagos side. I mean the US economy has definately seen better days than the present, although on a local level, some may argue that a city like Chicago can put together all necessary budgeting even without any federal aid. I'm not a specialist in Illinois economy, but a solid and persuasive business plan must be included in Chicago's bid folder. The perception the world has about US economy is that it is facing serious trouble. But economy is primary an affair of sentiment & expectations. And a new, fresh US administration (go Obama! :D ) can invert the negative climate.

Still, the no1 crucial factor is politics. And the terms "politics" & "IOC" when put together, have proven to be historically something very complicated of a liaison. I mean, continents' allocation & rotation (Europe vs Asia vs N./S. America vs.....) IS a matter of politics. The association of the olympics' host with other major events' hosting (i.e. World Cup) IS a political affair (remember S.Africa?) that needs to be calculated in the equation. Also, blocks of voting within the IOC, have been historically THE driving force of chossing city "A" over city "B". That means building alliances, based on different grounds each time: Geography, politics, e.t.c. I do believe that for the moment, Chicago will have a tough time in building a solid block within the IOC, because politically it will not be easy for a significant part of the delegates to favor a US candidacy, once their no1 choice will be dropped and the shortlist will end up to something like Chicago vs Tokyo (remeber the "rounds" system of voting?). Why? Because of the foreign policy of the current US administration.Tokyo will appear as a more "neutral" & "politically correct" choice for many. IOC will not want to have issues with Cuban, N. Korean, Serbian, Syrian, Palestinian or Iranian teams, having to compete on US soil ( "war on terror" ring a bell?).

But all the above are mere assumptions......

Uhmmm...kinda old thinking. The current US administration will be out of the White House come next January. The conflict in Iraq will be scaling down next year.

Don't you think the Chicago 2016 folks know what the issues are and would be taking corrective measures to address them? Of the 4 shortlisted cities, Tokyo is already a past host; the other 3 are Olympic virgins. That favors the non-past-host cities. (The 2012 race was different because the 2 favorites were tied with 2 past hosting duties. So they were even in that respect.)

I would be happy with either a Chicago or a Rio 2016. Rio's ball-and-chain is having 2014 so close to it.

Uhmmm...kinda old thinking. The current US administration will be out of the White House come next January. The conflict in Iraq will be scaling down next year.

Don't you think the Chicago 2016 folks know what the issues are and would be taking corrective measures to address them? Of the 4 shortlisted cities, Tokyo is already a past host; the other 3 are Olympic virgins. That favors the non-past-host cities. (The 2012 race was different because the 2 favorites were tied with 2 past hosting duties. So they were even in that respect.)

I would be happy with either a Chicago or a Rio 2016. Rio's ball-and-chain is having 2014 so close to it.

Some double standards there. I dont think Tokyo should be excluded just because it has seen the Games already. The bidding cities, less Rio are all subject to this, making Rio the only "virgin" bid.

Chicago has the influence of Atlanta, SLC and Vancouver to a degree. Likewise Nagano and Beijing on Tokyo and Barcelona, London and Sochi on Madrid.

Eitherway, i don't see any "past hostings" influencing the IOC's decision. Not even in the case of Tokyo. There are just too many other factors that determine the decision for this to play any major part.

Although i support Tokyo's bid i think there is a strong sense within the informed Olympic world 2016 is Rio's for the taking.

Although i support Tokyo's bid i think there is a strong sense within the informed Olympic world 2016 is Rio's for the taking.

Well, I hear their PanAms weren't exactly flawless, especially in terms of getting crowds in on time and traffic jams leading up to such snafus. Plus, the Brazilian fans were rude to some of the visiting teams.

But hey, if Rio is going in as the favorite -- then great!! Ya know what happens with the 'faves.' :cheers:

Well, I hear their PanAms weren't exactly flawless, especially in terms of getting crowds in on time and traffic jams leading up to such snafus. Plus, the Brazilian fans were rude to some of the visiting teams.

But hey, if Rio is going in as the favorite -- then great!! Ya know what happens with the 'faves.' :cheers:

I wouldn't say Rio's PANAM's had any more significant problems than other world events; certainly not any that justify not giving them the Games (it will be the quality of the rivals, rather than the incapabilities of Rio).

Atlanta had traffic and security issues. Sydney had transport issues in the end. Athens had construction problems. Beijing has an endless list of little tweaks.

From what i've heard, Rio's PANAM's were successful following a few introductory bumps and certainly lived up to what was expected. I also get the feeling that any problems Rio had were blown up a bit because the city isn't exactly "A-class".

I have my doubts about Rio's capabilities, as i am sure a lot of people do, however geopolitics and to a degree "sympathy" may just be too strong.

TOKYO 2016!!

websites

Tokyo2016 (http://www.tokyo2016.or.jp/en/)
Madrid2016 (http://www.madrid2016.es/en/paginas/home.aspx)
Chicago2016 (http://www.chicago2016.org/News/Pages/home.aspx)
Rio2016 (http://www.rio2016.org/en/Default.aspx)

Any pic of the proposed "first" stadiums designs?

Any pic of the proposed "first" stadiums designs?

is this what you mean?

http://www.chicago2016.org/SiteCollectionImages/ProposedVenues/OS-open-close.jpg

I hope Chicago gets the bid, I like the stadium Design, its very European in feel but very simple.

Where are the other stadium designs?

Madrid:
+ great city, culture, architecture
+ Barcelona did it extremelly well in 1992, so they have the "know how".
+ A perfect bid.
- After Europe 2012 again Europe 2016??
- Barcelona was just 16 years ago while other countries are waiting to host the games

Tokyo:
+ Technically another perfect bid.
+ Great logo.
+ Great culture.
- seems that this is the city with the lowest support from the citizens among the 4 applicants

Rio:
+ Games in South America for teh first time
+ Incredible city
- Huge criminality
- Poverty, social problems
- Awful and amateurish logo

Chicago:
+ Seems that is a very capable city to host it
+great logo
+ 20 years since the last summer Games in America.
- The 1996 Games in USA was a disaster (from the worst cauldron ever and the fact that the 1996 games didn't go to Greece to the terrror attacks, the deads etc. etc.)
-Ugly proposed olympic stadium
- Chicago seems as the most boring city of these 4.

Madrid:
- Barcelona was just 16 years ago while other countries are waiting to host the games

Chicago:
+ 20 years since the last summer Games in America.


Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2016 = 24years
Atlanta 1996 - Chicago 2016 = 20years

why is that a (-) on madrid bid and a (+) on the Chicago bid?

Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2016 = 24years
Atlanta 1996 - Chicago 2016 = 20years

why is that a (-) on madrid bid and a (+) on the Chicago bid?

Yea, u r right. I calculated the Madrid case from 1992 till today.
Well, because Spain is not a huge country I think that it is not very fair for a country of that size to host so soon the Games again. Europe hosted in 2004 the Games and will host them in 2012. So even if Games ll go again in Europe in 2016, i would rather prefer another european country to host (but it is not possible now) the games, preferably one that never hosted before.

- Awful and amateurish logo


that's considered a -?

unless this is ur opinion, how well the logo goes it doesn't count

that's considered a -?

unless this is ur opinion, how well the logo goes it doesn't count

Sure the logo is not the reason which a city gets the Games. But my opinion is that a good logo sometimes can help the bid.

1) Madrid, of course!
2)Chicago
3)Rio
4)Tokyo

Rio:
- Awful and amateurish logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/LogoRio2016.jpg

^^
Are you sure you understood the Rio's logo!
Did you see that inside this heart shape design we can see a yellow sun rising begind the Sugar Loaf Mountain, with the blue water of the sea just below - an iconic symbol of Rio de Janeiro?
This logo, and its representation, no way can be "awful and amateurish" as you sad!

i honestly dont understand why people even think Madrid has a shot FOUR years after London

is this what you mean?

http://www.chicago2016.org/SiteCollectionImages/ProposedVenues/OS-open-close.jpg

thanks a lot
looks good

other ones?

Tokyo:
http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=151

Madrid goes with la Peineta from what I've heard.

Madrid:

Chicago:
+ Seems that is a very capable city to host it
+great logo
+ 20 years since the last summer Games in America.
- The 1996 Games in USA was a disaster (from the worst cauldron ever and the fact that the 1996 games didn't go to Greece to the terrror attacks, the deads etc. etc.)
-Ugly proposed olympic stadium
- Chicago seems as the most boring city of these 4.


Really? I am biased so maybe its just me but I wouldn't it would be for others. It has a great waterfront and lakefront as a back drop to the games (Rio is perhaps one of only a few cities who does this better), it has a very vibrant musical scene and legacy, is know along with S.F. and NYC perhaps the best resteraunt town in the U.S., has an awesome skyline (which pleases types here), is extremely diverse in terms of culturues and ethncities, has plenty of posh and grit. Eitehr the city doesn't sell itself well (as city Olympic organisers have aknowledged) or the city really is boring to some I suppose.

Brazil and Japan are the 100th anniversary diplomatic relations.
I hand it over to Rio.

-Ugly proposed olympic stadium
- Chicago seems as the most boring city of these 4.

Really?

1. Better then the stadium being built for the games before it
2. Chicago is one of the most exciting cities in the world.

Rio:
- Awful and amateurish logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/LogoRio2016.jpg

^^
Are you sure you understood the Rio's logo!
Did you see that inside this heart shape design we can see a yellow sun rising begind the Sugar Loaf Mountain, with the blue water of the sea just below - an iconic symbol of Rio de Janeiro?
This logo, and its represallentation, no way can be "awful and amateurish" as you sad!

It's either the butt of that Brazilian actress or 2 dolphins laughing.

Did you know that all previous bid logos with "hearts" have never won? :)

http://www.judowiki.info/cache/220px-Chicago_Olympics_2016.jpg
Best Logo

Rio's logo is beautiful. The sunrise, the water and the mountains are so smart :)

I preferred Chicago's old logo.

http://steveandamysly.tannerworld.com/databank/2007/image_chicago2016logo1.gif
Ya, this one was awesome, No one gets the Rio logo until you have it all spelled out for you, to hard to interpret.

I thought it was pretty obvious from the first time I saw it actually. Though I think Chicago's is slicker; and I liked Doha's very much as well.

Tokyo's looks like an afternoon's work in fireworks with all the obvious glow and gradient effects; I don't like it at all. Madrid's has me stumped; I really don't know what to make of it.

tokyo

wish it would go to rio but its too soon after the world cup

Rio:
- Awful and amateurish logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/LogoRio2016.jpg

^^
Are you sure you understood the Rio's logo!
Did you see that inside this heart shape design we can see a yellow sun rising begind the Sugar Loaf Mountain, with the blue water of the sea just below - an iconic symbol of Rio de Janeiro?
This logo, and its representation, no way can be "awful and amateurish" as you sad!

Thats the matter. A logo which takes too long to understand it if u don't know what the hell Sugar Loaf Mountain is etc etc its not a good one IMO. A logo must be clear. It must be not a representation of the city ( its is not abaout the brazilian tourism logo), but it has to indicate the connection of the city with the Olympic Games and what the city can offer to the olympics. Maybe I could see Rio in this logo, if I knew the topography of the city, but I can see nothing related with the games. I know its is difficult to achieve it but see the Tokyo logo: japanese tradition in "olympic" colours, it is great.

Madrid in Europe is almost impossible after London in 2012.
Rio and Chicago have best chances considering a continental rotation.

Many (though not all) of the venues or their proposed locations for the Chicago bid.....

Flyover of the various proposed venues.....
oLVyGRfgWio


Maps
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympicmap.gif

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/venue-map.jpg


South cluster venues

Track/Athletics
Washington Park - Olympic Track/Main stadium (80,000)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/Olym1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympicpark.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/Olympics2016_Jan23011.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympic-stadium-west.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympic-stadiumSV.jpg



Field Hockey
Field hockey in Jackson Park - 15,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/photo_lg_illinois.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/338px-2004-08-08_1580x2800_chicago_.jpg






Central cluster venues

Ceremony and Entertainment ceter
Pritzker Pavilion (Olympic Medal Ceremony and entertainment site) - 11,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/MP20Photo20for20Home20Page.gif

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/lewi-span600.jpg

via SSC forumer - gct13
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/20080728-millenium-park-bandshell-j.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/pritzkerPavilion.jpg


Live Olympic TV sites and visitor activities
"Live" interactive site
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/160557357_605ef30173_o.jpg

via ssc forumer dougmach
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/p7090028bl6.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/chicago_grant_park.jpg



Archery
Grant Park - south end (Archery) - 8,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/archerygrantparkrh1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/61589.jpg




Olympic Village
Olympic Village - (currently a defunct Medical campus just west of Lake Shore Drive which runs along the lake)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/oly0627062856rr.gif

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/wls030707villagenightfn5.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympicvillage1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/459929519_12962fcf16_o.jpg

part of village at bottom of photo
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/268120171_2d9e6ab255_b.jpg




McCormick Place Convention Center
(4 interconnected buildings, 2.7 million square feet of floor space) (Volleyball(15,000), Weightlifting(4,250), Handball(9,800), Wrestling(9,800), Judo(9,800), Fencing(6,000), Taekwondo(6,000), Table Tennis(6,000), Modern Pentathlon (Fencing and Shooting)(6,000), Rhythmic gymnastics and Badminton(6,000), Main Press Center) -
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/mccormick-place.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/McC_CampusMap_new.gif

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http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/McCormick20Place_clr.jpg



Soccer/Football finals
Soldier Field - 62,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/soldier-field.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/823139554_fd48998ac3_o.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/260023525_7c55c53550_o.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/229659561axxhvffs2jm.jpg

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http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/264501662_d4cce50837.jpg



Soldier Field (foreground) and McCormick Place (background)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1845092_4175de37e9_b.jpg



Rowing
Rowing Course - 20,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/lf_rowing.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/634036918_912de2377c_b.jpg



Sailing
31st St. (new marina at bottom of photo adjacent to Olympic village)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/olympicvillage1.jpg



Track cycling, BMX Biking, Volleyball
Northerly Island - (Cycling, BMX) - BMX 10,000/Track cycling 5,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/459929489_e3c2718dd1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/NortherlyIsland-2.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/164953494_751c45cd33_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/436454412_d8d22eae31_b.jpg


Marathon
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/100707-chicago-marathon.jpg






West cluster venues

Boxing
U.I.C. Pavilion - 11,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/116644157_50673ce211.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/overview.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2081835166_559d8fa238_b.jpg




Basketball
United Center (Basketball Finals) - 22,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/uc_aerial_2-1-1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/800px-United_Center_060716.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/20051203-illini-xavier-united-ce-1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/20051203-illini-xavier-united-ce-2.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/362843811_b6be2ffebd_o.jpg


Swimming and Diving
Douglas Park - 20,000 swimming, 10,000 diving
Archietects - Garofalo and Studio Gang
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/DSCF0005.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2016olympics_04.jpg
via SSP forumer Alliance
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/20071030193021_48m56s.jpg
via SSP forumer Alliance
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/20071102205124_7m56s.jpg





North cluster venues

Tennis
Lakeview Tennis Center - 10,000/5,000/2,000
via garofaloarchitects.com (Archietects - Garofalo and David Woodhouse)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2016olympics_02.jpg

garofaloarchitects.com
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2016olympics_03.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/tennis-center.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1435540554_c633e9fa8b_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/P1014717.jpg



Kayak
Kayak course in Lincoln Park - 14,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/aquatic_center.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/216307238_fa66aa8027_o.jpg




Triathlon
North Lakefront Path - 5,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/chicago-anchor-lakefront-bikers-swi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/162195277_23cc2940ee.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/69657464MxUGfZ6v.jpg



Volleyball
North Avenue Beach (possible beach volleyball on Northerly Island) - 20,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/north-ave-16.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/north-ave-6.jpg





Peripheral venues

Football/Soccer prelims
Ryan Field at Norhwestern Univ. in Evanston - 47,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/220673195_45aaf09d62_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/34577244northwesternryanfieldqo5.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/ryanbigke0.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1571200985_679433a165_o.jpg





Basketball Prelims
Allstate Arena - 20,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/allstate-arena.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/856402487_10074967af_b.jpg



Basketball Prelims
Emil and Patricia A. Jones Convocation Center @ Chicago St. Univ. (Basketball Preliminaries) - 7,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/chicago_state.jpg



Equestrian
Temple Farms in Old Mill Creek, Illinois - 15,000-30,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1043845297_6970ff1342_o.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1043854697_cefa7f5819_o.jpg



Mountain Biking
course in Palos Hills - 8,000
via BenSeese (Flickr)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1867527673_e3376b93fe_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1867971734_963731ad14_b.jpg





Not yet part of games bid but potential inclusion depending on need.........

Potential Venues

Baseball
Wrigley Field - 41,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/Wigley_Field_-_by_Kaczmarczyk.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/1084337875_43747694ed_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/Wrigley-Panorama.jpg




Baseball
U.S. Cellular Field - 40,500
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2718178364_437c45ebda_b.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/soxpark-edit-1.jpg
via forumer Chicagophotoshop

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/2582141825_4ffc514e67_b.jpg




Soccer/Football prelims
Toyota Park - 20,000 ((built for 30k eventual expansion)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/TP400-skyline.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/pic01_chi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/main.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/toyota_park_1_1280x1024-full.jpg




Basketball/Gymnastics
Sears Center - 11,000
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/299111803_9fa3f5ee54_o.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/tootshibbard/Chicago%20Olympic%20Venues/299101547_3246c51681_o.jpg

Where will they stage sailing from? What I mean is, which marina will the teams assemble and the boats be launched? I plan to sail my boat there and stay on it during the Olympics provided that Chicago gets them (which right now looks likely). Of course if Chicago doesn't get them that opens up Toronto in 2020 :) It will take me a week to sail to Chicago and a week back unless I trailer my boat, and that's a possibility, 2016 is at least 2 boats away, so I have no idea what I will have then but it may be too large to tow. I could sail to Toronto in a day.

Thats the matter. A logo which takes too long to understand it if u don't know what the hell Sugar Loaf Mountain is etc etc its not a good one IMO. A logo must be clear. It must be not a representation of the city ( its is not abaout the brazilian tourism logo), but it has to indicate the connection of the city with the Olympic Games and what the city can offer to the olympics. Maybe I could see Rio in this logo, if I knew the topography of the city, but I can see nothing related with the games. I know its is difficult to achieve it but see the Tokyo logo: japanese tradition in "olympic" colours, it is great.

sorry but who doesnt know what is sugar loaf is at least stupid!!

Rio's venues

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/23-6.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/24-6.jpg

ARENAS OLÍMPICAS
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/22-6.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2378/55221655lv9.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1317/742415068_43e982bb43_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1151/741544797_a140247c71_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/742403130_3c31ab7713_o.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/1-44.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/6-26.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/21-5.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/23-5.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/22-5.jpg

ESTÁDIO DE REMO
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/12-13.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/2-43.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/1-40.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/03-6.jpg

ESGRIMA
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/Arena_esgrima.jpg

FUTSAL Y HANDEBOL

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/Publico_handebol.jpg

OTRA ARENA
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1412/677299682_dec0a4f6d0.jpg?v=0

VELA

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6054/riodejaneiro004pak6.jpg

HIPISMO
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/08-7.jpg

TÊNIS
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/vinicius777/0-8.jpg

ESTÁDIO OLÍMPICO JOÃO HAVELANGE
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http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/08-3.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z298/xikaumrio/100_2291Medium.jpg

http://fototeca.rio.rj.gov.br/_secs/F33-113-E47F6E77-9855-4D25-99BC71F0D49A4268.JPG

VÔLEI DE PRAIA
http://pan2007.globo.com/ESP/Home/foto/0,,11131315,00.jpg

http://www.rio2007.org.br/data/files/8CA3C78413B6574D0113B6893890419E/Arena7.jpg


ESTÁDIO DO MARACANÃ ( ABERTURA E ENCERRAMENTO DO PANAMERICANO)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/vinicius777/38-1.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/274996077_0da52b9599_o.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/03-8.jpg

http://oglobo.globo.com/fotos/2007/07/11/11_MHG_KJHCWIO.jpg

MARATOn
http://www.glo-con.com/images/AD1_10807_s.jpg

http://www.glo-con.com/images/AD1_10807_m.jpg

sorry but who doesnt know what is sugar loaf is at least stupid!!

No. You shouldn't assume that. Do you know the 7 hills of Rome? Or the major hill in San Francisco? In Paris? Just because someone is NOT familiar with a world-famous landmark shouldn't make him/her stupid. :ohno:

When did you hear of the Empire State Builidng? Or St. Basil's Church in Moscow? etc., etc. So before you learned of those things -- then you would've considered yourself "stupid, " tadeu. By your very own words.

BTW, nice photos of Rio. But now, I also finally understand why the IOC rated its 2016 Transport plan low. The crazy, jagged layout of the city will make easy travel to certain venues difficult. That's what's initially difficult to understand about Rio's layout.

Rio's venues

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/23-6.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/24-6.jpg

ARENAS OLÍMPICAS
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/22-6.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2378/55221655lv9.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1317/742415068_43e982bb43_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1151/741544797_a140247c71_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/742403130_3c31ab7713_o.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/1-44.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/6-26.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/21-5.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/23-5.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/22-5.jpg

ESTÁDIO DE REMO
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/12-13.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/2-43.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/1-40.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/03-6.jpg

ESGRIMA
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/Arena_esgrima.jpg

FUTSAL Y HANDEBOL

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/tcintra/Publico_handebol.jpg

OTRA ARENA
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1412/677299682_dec0a4f6d0.jpg?v=0

VELA

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6054/riodejaneiro004pak6.jpg

HIPISMO
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/08-7.jpg

TÊNIS
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/vinicius777/0-8.jpg

ESTÁDIO OLÍMPICO JOÃO HAVELANGE
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/dudu86/Engenho_pronto.jpg

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8003/atgaaacwg6xeoxdre6hmbpnep3.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/558159117_2b3eb86a38_o.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/28.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/08-3.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z298/xikaumrio/100_2291Medium.jpg

http://fototeca.rio.rj.gov.br/_secs/F33-113-E47F6E77-9855-4D25-99BC71F0D49A4268.JPG

VÔLEI DE PRAIA
http://pan2007.globo.com/ESP/Home/foto/0,,11131315,00.jpg

http://www.rio2007.org.br/data/files/8CA3C78413B6574D0113B6893890419E/Arena7.jpg


ESTÁDIO DO MARACANÃ ( ABERTURA E ENCERRAMENTO DO PANAMERICANO)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/vinicius777/38-1.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/274996077_0da52b9599_o.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x27/barcosarq/03-8.jpg

http://oglobo.globo.com/fotos/2007/07/11/11_MHG_KJHCWIO.jpg

MARATOn
http://www.glo-con.com/images/AD1_10807_s.jpg

http://www.glo-con.com/images/AD1_10807_m.jpg

Many (though not all) of the venues or their proposed locations for the Chicago bid.....



excellent post. :applause:

Tadeu, why are u repeating the Rio photos? Don't u think they were seen the first time?

i was wondering the same thing.

and chicagophotoshop quote a lot of pics... :G

^^ I know. Both cities should now be dropped by the IOC. :lol: :lol:

and chicagophotoshop quote a lot of pics... :G

whoops. I edited it

^^ I know. Both cities should now be dropped by the IOC. :lol: :lol:

:nono: