You can have the Olympics but not The Ashes!

I suppose thats the best support we can expect from an Aussie! ;)

The dome is going to be used for gymnastics I think(If London get the olympics)... and it's not going to be knocked down, but developed as an arena of some sort

Coth, I don't think you get my point. But the way you make it sound is because some western nations make it tough for Russians to visit, Russia does it back. Not a great attitude don't you think? The reason could well be because they are afraid of illegal immigration from Russia and overstayers. That is why Australia makes it tough for citizens from the former USSR. Somehow doubt that Russia would have the same problem from western nations.

If you are going to stage Olympics the visitors who will be going will be from mainly the wealthy nations and they will not be attempting to remain in Russia so they can work for Rubles adn take Russian jobs. Also I cannot believe that they would be able to learn the language and get their heads around Cyrillic to even get near being able to hold down a job in Russia in the first place. So that blows that argument out of the water.
Again, since you don't see. Just few countries in the wolrd have access to UK, USA, France and Spain. And those are only first wolrd countries. People from most of countries in the world should have visa to visit this countries.



Does that country have the moral right if it is recieving aid from other nations? I doubt that economic development loans given to Russia are to help her build stadia for an Olympics. That money should be spent on hospitals, improving roads, education, sorting out its beaurecratic problems and building systems to protect individuals properties and rights.
I suppose you know who is Michael Schumacher. I'm not of his fun, but there was interesting news few years ago about his relations with official Germany.
He lived in Austria as I remember, but German officials said him to pay all taxes. Then he said them, if they will pay him [few euros] payment for children he will pay all taxes.

Russia sending aids to other countries much more than receive.


Glad to hear it, is this information from Russian government sources? You have to take what they say with a grain of salt. They are not the most honest organization. And yes, I know western governments also lie.

It was IMF that declared that Russia spend on social programs too much. It is one of reasons that makes gdp growth more slow.


If that is true, then why are so many Russian's attempting to migrate to the west?

Russia should be with its natural wealth something like a Canada for living standards. Why isn't it? Well you tell me. I think Churchill put it best, "A conundrum wrapped inside a paradox."
Average PPP GDP per capita in Northern Ural is over $70000. In Northern Siberia over $20000. That are natural wealth regions.



And again. All this crap does not relates to Olympic games. Olympic games is Sport.

But. Yes, Russia, if taking entire federation into count, is poorest of all 5 countries. But Olympic games means high profits. So for Russia Olympic games will be more helpful than for other 4 countries.

The dome is going to be used for gymnastics I think(If London get the olympics)... and it's not going to be knocked down, but developed as an arena of some sort

I think the Mill. Dome is one of the coolest looking arenas in the whole world.

I'm not trying to make an argument but I honestly think Madrid has a very small chance. It looks now like Paris and London are the main contenders and studies looking at how the IOC members will vote have put Paris at one point ahead of London or something similar. And BTW Butcher London has 3 million now who have backed the bid officially.

Does anyone have any details of how the voting process actually works? I'v done a few web searches but I can't seem to find any details.

If they do the same as the WC and go though different rounds of voting with the weakest bid removed each time then how far they take that could have a massive impact. If you example the final vote is on the top 3 rather than the top 2 bids then whoever the 3rd place bid is could have a big effect on the outcome as certain IOC officals votes switch from their first to their second/third choice. Just guessing here but if politics come into it I'd say Newyork votes would be more likely to switch to London where as Madrid votes would be more likely to switch to Paris or vise versa.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/49184.htm
ROOT, ROOT, ROOT FOR THE HOME TEAM

By TOM TOPOUSIS and STEPHANIE GASKELL
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
June 28, 2005 -- New York's Olympic dream heads into its final lap today as the city's bid boosters pack their bags and head off to Singapore after a City Hall rally that will include Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

In just eight days, the International Olympic Committee will meet to pick a city to host the 2012 Summer Games — either ending the city's quixotic bid or sending the Big Apple into a seven-year buildup for the world's largest sporting event.

Mayor Bloomberg, who leaves for Singapore later this week, will meet with Rice, the highest ranking White House official to appear here in person on behalf of the Olympic bid.

"We believe it is important to show that the U.S. government fully supports that candidacy," said State Department spokesman Steve Pike.

The IOC's 115 voting members will pick from New York, Paris, London, Madrid and Moscow on July 6, following 45- minute presentations earlier in the day from each of the cities. The decision will be announced at 7:45 a.m.

Already, an advance team from the city's bid committee, NYC 2012, is in Singapore.

Bid founder, Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff, and executive director Jay Kriegel are due to depart tomorrow morning.

The city will have about 250 people, both support staffers and high-profile representatives and former Olympians, in the Far East city to put together the final presentation and lobby IOC members when possible.

A list of Olympic athletes traveling to Singapore on behalf of New York, including boxing great Muhammad Ali, will be released this week as the Big Apple tries to stir up some buzz for its bid.

Paris, the odds-on favorite, will be represented by President Jacques Chirac, who will make his nation's presentation personally before jetting off to Scotland to attend the Group of Eight economic conference.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair will also work the IOC crowd in Singapore, but won't be able to stay long enough to make the presentation.

Both Blair and Chirac will be in the air on their way to Scotland when a decision is announced.

New Yorkers will be able to track the city's progress in Singapore thanks to live broadcasts of the national presentations that will be carried on a JumboTron above the Rockefeller Center ice rink beginning at 9 p.m. July 5 and continuing until dawn.

Voting, behind closed doors will take place from 5:45 to 6:30 a.m. New York time, July 6, with a winner to be announced at 7:45 a.m.

the voting is in july right????......
so close............

Interesting, i'm sure this will have Manchester and Birmingham forumers furious as their bids were virtually ignored by the government.


Blairs launch joint effort to sway IOC vote
By Mihir Bose
(Filed: 29/06/2005)

Tony and Cherie Blair have mounted a joint campaign to personally woo members of the International Olympic Committee to secure the 2012 Games for London.

They are writing letters to members and setting up one-to-one meetings in Singapore where the vote on the candidate cities takes place next Wednesday.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that the Prime Minister first wrote to IOC members two weeks ago, but it was a general letter about the London bid.



A vision for 2012
Capital welcomes IOC
London 2012 Bid homepage


However, in the last couple of days he has followed this up with a much more personal letter, asking for a meeting with the IOC member in Singapore next week. Cherie has also written similar letters requesting a meeting and it seems the husband and wife team have divided up the IOC members between them.

The Blairs, who leave for Singapore on Sunday, are planning two hectic days of campaigning on Monday and Tuesday before they fly back to Britain in time for the G8 summit meeting at Gleneagles, which will be hosted by the Prime Minister.

It is not unusual for IOC members to be bombarded with letters from bidding cities in the days leading up to a vote. The contest for the 2012 Olympics has seen them receive letters from the Mayor of Paris, the Queen of Spain, arguing the case for Madrid, and some 30 letters from schoolchildren in New York. However, a letter from a Prime Minister requesting a meeting with an IOC member is rare and one told me: "I was surprised to receive the letter and it shows how much the British Prime Minister and his wife care about the bid."

Old IOC hands recall that this is in marked contrast to when Manchester bid for the 1996 Games. Then the bid leader, Bob Scott, had to work hard to persuade a dismissive Margaret Thatcher to even allow a Cabinet minister to accompany the Manchester bidding team to Tokyo where the vote was held. In contrast, the night before the vote, the American President personally rang each IOC member and this helped Atlanta win the 1996 Games, with Manchester eliminated early with five votes.

Although the Blairs are newcomers to Olympic politics, both have been keen on the bid with Cherie at one stage expressing an interest in becoming bid leader.

The Blairs got to know IOC members at the Athens Olympics last year and since then have worked hard to convince them that British failures of the past like Picketts Lock, when the Government reneged on a decision to build an athletics stadium for the 2005 World Athletics Championships, which are now due to be held in Helsinki in August, have been left behind. This time the Government are wholly committed to London staging the Games.

The London team see the campaign by the Blairs as crucial to success in Singapore and overturning any lead Paris, the front-runner, may have.

Yesterday as Lord Sebastian Coe, the bid leader, arrived in Singapore he was properly cautious saying: "We have a lot of work to do. We're taken very seriously, we're in good shape and looking forward to the day of decision."

The work Coe and his team will put in over the next week is on the presentation. With the race so close, presentations are considered important. They may not win the race but a bad presentation, like Salzburg's for the 2010 Winter Games, could lose it.

Meanwhile, the IOC announced details of how the result will be announced next Wednesday. This will be the IOC version of the Oscars ceremony, starting at 12.30pm London time when a master of ceremonies will introduce IOC members. Each bidding city will then show a clip of about a minute-and-a-half and then the master of ceremonies will introduce the IOC president, Jacques Rogge, who will open a sealed envelope and read out the name of the winning city.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/323498p-276529c.html
Condi's can-do on city Games bid

BY MICHAEL SAUL and DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU

Secretary of State Rice lent her star power to the country's 2012 Olympic bid yesterday, saying New York has always been a "comeback city" that will once again top the world.

"If there is any message in the Olympics, it is that it doesn't matter where you come from - you can achieve your dreams if you work hard," said Rice. "And that's what this city represents."

Rice spoke in City Hall with Mayor Bloomberg at her side just eight days before the International Olympic Committee is set to meet in Singapore to decide which city will host the 2012 Games.

New York is generally thought to be running third, behind Paris and London, although some oddsmakers also favor Madrid over New York. Moscow consistently trails in fifth.

But Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff, the bid's chief champion, insisted yesterday the race was wide open - and noted that so-called experts have picked the wrong city in seven out of the last nine Olympic selections.

"I think everyone is going to be very, very surprised by what happens in Singapore, so stay tuned," said Doctoroff, who leaves for the Asian country tonight.

Independent Olympic trackers were more skeptical, saying that although the city quickly developed a new Olympic stadium plan in Queens - after Bloomberg's proposal for a Manhattan stadium imploded - time may have run out.

Hoping to generate a little Olympic fever, officials held a rally yesterday in City Hall Park with former gold medalists Bob Beamon and Oksana Baiul.

The city's bid committee also announced that the public is invited to Rockefeller Plaza on Tuesday night to watch a live broadcast of the city's bid presentation, followed by the IOC's decision sometime early Wednesday.

President Bush will not be going to Singapore, unlike French President Jacques Chirac, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. But Rice and Bloomberg dismissed any notion that Bush is staying behind because of his unpopularity abroad, saying no U.S. President had ever attended an IOC meeting.

Originally published on June 29, 2005

http://www.mediafactured.com/altnyc.gif

i love the NYC's logo...very symbolic...but i never realize what was inside the first pix in the red part...

is it a man with a gun ???? that's not the real logo right ??

edit: ok i got it now, the red part is not in the official logo !

http://img70.echo.cx/img70/8752/july7zu.jpg

http://www.mediafactured.com/altnyc.gif

HAHAHA I guess the red part symbolizes that NYC still has a big potential of terrorism. :rofl:

but then i still am rooting for NYC. ;)

Interesting, i'm sure this will have Manchester and Birmingham forumers furious as their bids were virtually ignored by the government.
LONDON, LONDON, LONDON...Unfortunately thats how the rest of the world views England and it's not helped by your government's obvious bias towards the capital. There are some wonderful cities in England but apart from soccer teams, most people don't know much about them. :ohno:

http://www.lda.gov.uk/upload/img/facilities.jpg

What is currently there?

I hope London, but im sure it will be Paris. NYC and Moscow are out of the question.

^^I also think madrid may be out of it at this point also. I don't think they pulled through very well at the end.

I think the recent attacks on possible 2012 Olympic sites by ETA in recent weeks has pretty much crippled the Madrid bid as much as New York's bid has been crippled by the Jets Stadium fiasco.

Paris!

http://www.linternaute.com/sport/diaporamas/amour-des-jeux-paris2012/images/6.jpg
http://www.linternaute.com/sport/diaporamas/amour-des-jeux-paris2012/images/2.jpg
http://www.linternaute.com/sport/diaporamas/amour-des-jeux-paris2012/images/1.jpg
http://www.linternaute.com/sport/diaporamas/amour-des-jeux-paris2012/images/4.jpg

What is currently there?

The Lower Lea Valley

The Lower Lea Valley is the largest remaining regeneration opportunity in inner London.

It runs north-south from Stratford to Canary Wharf and is situated just three miles from Central London, taking in parts of the London Boroughs of Hackney, Tower Hamlet, Newham and Waltham Forest. It is well served by bus rail and tube connections.

In total, the Lower Lea Valley covers an area of the around 1,500 areas.

The area is characterised by large area of the derelict industrial land as well as poor housing. Much of the land is fragmented and divided by waterways, overhead pylons, roads, the London Underground Network and heavy rail lines.

It is also one of the most deprived communities in the UK and among the worst public health records. Unemployment is high, running at 35% on some estates, skills levels are low. The area has one of the highest levels of black and ethnic minority populations in the capital.

Regeneration of the area is crucially important to tackling poverty, unemployment, lack of basic skills and poor health.

And its all going....if we get the olympics of not.

http://www.lda.gov.uk/upload/img/hackneymarsh.jpg
This is the current site (dont know how old)

Groundwork has already started on the site as you can see, and the Channel Tunnel Rail Link is well underway on the site.

http://www.lda.gov.uk/server/show/category.001002001001002
Click here for more pics..

There is even a Illustrative Legacy Masterplan, which shows the site in 2014

My vote is for NY

From BBC NEWS

London eyes Spanish 2012 alliance

Officials from London's team bidding to host the 2012 Olympic Games are seeking an alliance with rivals Madrid, according to reports.

London wants to secure the Spanish capital's votes should they be knocked out of the contest to host the Games.

The cities face favourites Paris, plus Moscow and New York, in Wednesday's International Olympic Committee vote.

It is said that contact has been made with senior Madrid figures as part of a strategy to capture key votes.

Although no formal deal is in place, it is suggested London would work to return the compliment should they suffer an early exit.

Bid experts believe Moscow and New York will be eliminated in the early rounds when IOC members make their choice in Singapore, leaving a three-way battle between Paris, London and Madrid.

Should Madrid be the next city to be knocked out, the way their votes then go will prove decisive - and the same would apply were London to be eliminated.

Some 100 of the 116 members will vote to begin with.

IOC president Jacques Rogge has decided to sit it out, Bulgarian Ivan Slavkov has been suspended following a BBC investigation and the 14 members from the five nations battling for hosting rights cannot take part until their city is eliminated.

It is understood London's backers have been attemoting to woo Juan Antonio Samaranch, the Spanish former IOC president.

He is the man credited with bringing the Games to Barcelona in 1992 and still still wields significant power among a section of IOC members.

His son Juan Antonio Samaranch Jr is a leading executive on the Madrid bid.

London 2012 bid chairman Lord Coe has known Samaranch senior since the 1980s when he was appointed by him to several Olympic commissions.

One senior London backer told the Press Association: "Madrid is the key to this whole contest.

"We know if they get knocked out that they cannot guarantee all their votes - and neither of course can London should we be knocked out - but if someone like Samaranch could then start working on our behalf it could prove decisive."

If Samaranch does throw his weight behind London as a second choice then he might want the favour repaid if his son stands for election as IOC president against Rogge in 2009.

I look into the window of my mind. Reflection of the fears I've left behind. We're on our way. Can't stop us now.

Imagine the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games in London.

I'm still hoping it'll be London.

I know today the London team were sending a huge London 2012 out to the IOC which has been signed by over 300 famous people in the UK.

Tony and Cherie Blair are also said to be having last minute meetings with IOC members and they've divided them all between them. They've also wrote letters to them to give London the best chance possible.

I enjoy when I see the poll in this thread. 41,67 % votes for Madrid.

IOC member : "me, i vote for cherie blair, she is surely the king at home !"

IOC member 2 : "nahhhh, me i would imagine well tony be the queen, arghhhhh the king of their house !"

How divide IOC members... Between a guy that knows nothing of olympic games and an uncultivated lady, there will be no winner.

I enjoy when I see the poll in this thread. 41,67 % votes for Madrid.

Yeah....Then check how many people out of Spain voted for you.

When I last checked you had 30 votes and EVERY single one was from a spanniard.

I dont think I would be out of place in saying, London has more international votes than Madrid.

There are more population in UK than Spain.
SSC is a international website, so anyone in any country in the world can vote in this poll. Internet is more extended in UK than Spain.

So, you are saying Spaniards supports Madrid more than the British people supports London in SSC poll. You are right, Eddyk. You must think about this.

By the way, Eddyk. Do you know something about the critical report of London´s underground which it is been hidding? Is it true?

By the way, Eddyk. Do you know something about the critical report of London´s underground which it is been hidding? Is it true?Is that the report that says the London Underground has no trains, track or stations and its just a great illusion conjured up in the greatest trick of all time?

Either way I doubt the poll here will actually show through as the IOC will vote this Wednesday.

New York City FOR ME!

So, you are saying Spaniards supports Madrid more than the British people supports London in SSC poll.

Nah, Im saying more people around the world want it in London than they do Madrid...according to this poll.

P.S
LOL Nick

MADRID MUST WIN. my second choice would be london but... paris tried twice and failed recenlty, and this is their third time. if london wins then the next time the games come to europe paris would surely get it, because the ioc isnt gonna let global city like paris not get the games 4 times in a row. So if madrid doesnt get the games now, they will be in a much better position to get them in the future if paris wins now, even though i really dont want paris to win.

Is that the report that says the London Underground has no trains, track or stations and its just a great illusion conjured up in the greatest trick of all time?

Either way I doubt the poll here will actually show through as the IOC will vote this Wednesday.

Don´t worry about London underground. One month ago, a spanish company bought the majority of the stake from the company which has many lines of the London tube and all the problems will be solved. :)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/324557p-277368c.html
Hil will go to Games gathering

Helps Mike with pitch

By MICHELLE CARUSO
in Los Angeles
and MICHAEL SAUL
in Singapore
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

New York has a Plan B Olympic Stadium. And now, it has Plan B star power.
Sen. Hillary Clinton will travel to Singapore to help lobby the International Olympic Committee to award the 2012 Games to New York, marking a last-minute addition to the city's delegation, Mayor Bloomberg announced yesterday.

Clinton, New York's Democratic junior senator, will be the highest-level U.S. official to attend Wednesday's IOC meeting, adding some wattage to a delegation sorely lacking in political luminaries. Still, her 11th-hour addition to the roster raises questions about the level of desperation among New York officials.

As the Daily News first reported last week, President Bush will not be traveling to Singapore, even though New York's rival bid cities will have their heads of state in attendance, including Britain's Tony Blair and France's Jacques Chirac.

Asked if Clinton's sudden addition to the delegation roster was a sign of concern, Bloomberg, who was in Los Angeles attending the inauguration of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, said, "Well, we're always worried. There are five great cities trying to get the Olympics."

"I'm thrilled that she's consented to join our team. She'll be a great asset," Bloomberg added. "She's a woman who knows how to be an advocate. She's a great believer in America and New York. If she can help with a couple of votes, it would be wonderful."

Last week, Clinton's office told the Daily News the senator would not go to Singapore but had taped remarks to be used as part of the city's final presentation. On Monday, Bloomberg personally asked Clinton if she could rearrange her schedule to help the bid.

Asked why NYC2012 didn't push harder for Clinton to join the delegation earlier, Jay Kriegel, the bid's executive director, said, "We did get involved in some other issues that had to be resolved," referring to New York's search for a new Olympic stadium - finding one in Queens to replace the proposed West Side stadium.

Clinton's decision to go to Singapore has political upsides for both the senator and the mayor.

For Bloomberg, a Republican running for reelection in overwhelmingly Democratic New York, the trip will be a chance to cozy up to one of the state's most popular Democrats.

For Clinton, who many believe is running for President, it is an opportunity to represent the city and the nation on a global stage and hobnob with leaders like Blair and Chirac.

New York is competing against Paris, London, Madrid and Moscow for the 2012 Games.

With David Saltonstall

Originally published on July 2, 2005

Go NYC!

It's true, in NYC everybody has homegame advantage!

The Spaniards managed a good job by getting 77 people voting for their city.

Well a while back when Madrid and Paris put on their little sports events for the IOC I said "Wait until you see what London and the UK has coming up for the week or so before the vote"... Wimbledon, Trafalgar 200, Glastonbury, the biggest concert in history, organising the largest single international media event in history, hosting of the G8 summit, acceptance of the EU presidency...

^^good point

Don´t worry about London underground. One month ago, a spanish company bought the majority of the stake from the company which has many lines of the London tube and all the problems will be solved. :)

:runaway:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/03/sports/othersports/03olympics.html
Bid Stops Here: New York Set for a Final Olympic Dash

By LYNN ZINSER
Published: July 3, 2005

SINGAPORE, July 2 - Daniel L. Doctoroff surveyed the harried work proceeding around him, the fourth floor of the Raffles Convention Center being transformed into the center of the International Olympic Committee universe, and he seized upon the world surreal.

Still a bit dazed from the 18-plus-hour flight that had deposited him here, Doctoroff, the founder of New York's Olympic bid, could hardly believe he was at the place where the host city for the 2012 Summer Games will be decided. On Wednesday, when the I.O.C. chooses from among New York, Paris, London, Madrid and Moscow, the fate of Doctoroff's 11-year-old dream will sit in the hands of 116 people Doctoroff has tirelessly wooed for the past few years. He calculated that he had flown 175,000 miles in the past six months alone.

After the last of those miles, he walked off a plane in Singapore at 5 a.m. Friday, flashing an easy smile and a cheerful demeanor for the squad of local television cameras awaiting him. Sunrise was still several hours away. And the sales job was far from over.

"Everyone's always called me the eternal optimist, but I really believe we have a great chance at what would be an incredible upset," Doctoroff said. "I can see how it will happen. I've always been able to see it. I could be totally wrong, but I can see it."

Immediately, Doctoroff began to work restoring New York's image in this race. His confidence may have survived the defeat of the West Side stadium project and New York's moribund image internationally, not to mention the world's longest direct flight, from Newark to Singapore, but he is asked everywhere he turns whether New York truly has a chance, whether the longtime favorite Paris can possibly be beaten.

He concedes nothing.

"What I always visualized was going into the final vote with a great chance to win, and I believe that is where we are," Doctoroff said. "I'm not one to believe in odds set by British bettors. Instead I believe in what New York offers for athletes, for sport, for the Olympic movement. The true test will come on Wednesday."

Until then, the I.O.C. will begin to get down to work. Members began arriving Saturday, and the executive board will begin meeting Sunday. On Monday, the board is expected to formally approve New York's request to alter its bid with an Olympic stadium in Queens replacing the one on the West Side of Manhattan. The full I.O.C. session begins with an opening ceremony on Tuesday night, and the cities' presentations and the vote will consume Wednesday.

Before that, Doctoroff and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and a huge New York delegation of Olympians and dignitaries will continue to lobby I.O.C. members at every turn: in meetings, chance encounters in hallways or restaurants.

Bloomberg is scheduled to arrive Sunday. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will join the fray Tuesday. The Olympians supporting New York have begun to trickle in and lend some star power, with Muhammad Ali topping off that procession in the next few days.

Their job is to bolster the idea of New York as a plausible choice.

"We're not going to tell them anything new," Doctoroff said. "I think at this point, we want to remind them that we'd make a great partner, and if there's an issue, we'll figure out how to get it done."

That is the theme coming out of New York's stadium drama, with bid members spinning it as a can-do response to a difficult problem. What is unknown is how I.O.C. members view that development, but Doctoroff said that he had talked to about 50 members since the new stadium plan was unveiled and that he believed the backlash would be minimal.

He is left to hope that his efforts - and his air mileage - will not go to waste.

NYC2012 staffers have helped deluge members with materials. Most recently, they sent View-Masters with 3D pictures of the before and after of each proposed Olympic site. They sent boxes of handwritten letters from New Yorkers addressed to each I.O.C. member, complete with pictures and arguments for their city.

This is on top of Doctoroff's travels. He said he has had meaningful discussions with 113 of the members, varying from 15-minute conversations with some to repeated visits and friendships developed with others.

"Very early on, and time will tell if the strategy is correct, the strategy was to treat every single one of the I.O.C. members like individuals, to solicit their input, find out what's important to them in selecting a city," he said. "I believe they've been very honest, very candid with us describing what is important to them."

The bid team has always tailored its presentations to the group being addressed. In a gathering of international sports federations in Berlin, Doctoroff unveiled a sports marketing plan for them. At a meeting of African Olympic committees, he took the African-born basketball star Dikembe Mutombo to talk about the virtues of New York.

Of course, all of the other bid cities were at each of those meetings as well. And they come to Singapore with the same professions of optimism as Doctoroff.

"The true test comes on Wednesday," he said.

That presentation cannot be tailored. The entire I.O.C. will sit in judgment, ready to decide if the last 11 years of Doctoroff's pursuit will take the Olympics to New York, or if he will be left to decide whether to try again in another four years.

Surreal, indeed.

LONDON 2012 its gonna happen oops did i say that out loud

Im English/French....Im in both countries for long periods at a time each year...I might be even living in France in 6 years, I dont know.




yes, i definately see the french in u :bow:

ooo the french, too much arrogance, not enough showers.

And smart as foxes.


Yes, I am online 24/7 :D

yes, i definately see the french in u :bow:

ooo the french, too much arrogance, not enough showers.
Actually the French have amoungst the hiighest per capita ownership of showers in hte world.


(I just made that up but it could be true)

Actually the French have amoungst the hiighest per capita ownership of showers in hte world.


(I just made that up but it could be true)


now all u have to do is use them

:omg: i know, crazy thought.

Where are you from then mike....Spain?

this bid is on fiya FIYA

Why is Madrid winning!!!

Where are you from then mike....Spain?



hahahahaha, no im from miami.

The battle is between London and Paris, but I am with Madrid.

Well good thing NYC is the only non european city, if it can just last the first few rounds it will probably get the votes from the eliminated european cities because they will probably want the 2016 games...sooo this is gonna be close but ya i agree it seems like its London Vs Paris. I dunno why everyone is voting for Madrid I never hear anyone talk about it or its bid so it shows its not really out there like the other bids.

...I dunno why everyone is voting for Madrid I never hear anyone talk about it or its bid so it shows its not really out there like the other bids.


Anglo-Saxon Medias I am afraid... :sleepy:

It should be between London and Paris, these cities and countries have not held an Olympics for far too many years.

Well, Madrid never had it... There are another thing the IOC members perhaps don't know. We have the most beautiful girls of the world :D :D :D :D
We feel passion (real spanish passion) for the bid and we would like to take it this wednesday

paris would be the nearest location for me, so í vote for paris. it´a pitty that leipzig lost so early. :sleepy:

In 2012 I will only be 20 years since Spain had it the last time. Its just too soon for Madrid.

i cant choose.........
NY or London or Paris.................
help me..........

i cant choose.........
NY or London or Paris.................
help me..........
Madrid, of course, :D :D :D



!Madrid¡

i cant choose.........
NY or London or Paris.................
help me..........

London of course! ;)

Viva Londres!

We'll know it in less than 48 hours!!!
Go Madrid!

We'll know it in less than 48 hours!!!
Go Madrid!
Correction: Go HOME Madrid. :)

Correction: Go HOME Madrid. :)

Always the same¬¬

Madrid, naturalmente

at the moment Madrid is winning the pool!!!!!!!!!!! :)

As this poll is scientific, this must be foretelling the future. Quick! Call Singapore and tell them their vote will not be needed, some SSC forumers have spoken!

I think some SSC forumers don't know anything at all about humor but a lot about being disgusting.

Go Madrid, Olympics will be yours ;) (but all other 4 cities deserve it too)

A couple of hours just before the process, I still think it's all going to be between London and Madrid.

British and spanish think that Paris will win :

Poll (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/050704/290/4hml6.html)

"Independently of your personal wish, which city, according to you, will be indicated to organize the 2012 Olympics ?"

British :
Paris --> 42%
London --> 36%
Madrid --> 6%

Spanish :
Paris --> 50%
Madrid --> 34%
London --> 4%
....

I just don't know how this is going to go...

I want London to have it, I think they can get it.. its the right time, the right attitude and we have shown over the past years just how well we can do these things..

At the same time, Paris.. its third attempt, surely they're gonna give more apathy to the French for trying so hard, with such successful, well planned bids?? Whilst I feel sorry for them for trying so hard, I still don't want them to get it.. but only because I want it so much.. If we shouldn't get it though, I'd much rather they got it than Madrid (or NYC/Moscow) for the simple reason of trying so hard to get it (Whilst Barcelona is still a 'recent' games)..

We'll know it in less than 48 hours!!!
Go Madrid!
So its wedensday, but at what time exactly....Well, im sure ill see it on CNN or somewhere....

Whats the point of voting? would our vote even count?

No....no votes really 'count' on this forum...just nice knowing how people feel.


Each city has 45 min to promot their bid on voting day.

There was something on Ch5 (UK) Today...and some of the IOC members said they had already made up their mind.

It will be between Paris and London.

My heart wants London, but I have a feeling she'll be Paris. The French are the consumate politicians.

What was said by a couple of IOC officials really is true though. Tony Blair is by far and away London's biggest asset for this bid. A Tony Blair charm offensive will blow the French politicians away. This thing will all come down to back room politics.

So its wedensday, but at what time exactly....Well, im sure ill see it on CNN or somewhere....
It'll be at 19:30, local time;
13:30 in Western Europe,12:30 in the Canary Islands:D

It'll be at 19:30, local time;
13:30 in Western Europe,12:30 in the Canary Islands:D

117th IOC SESSION
From 6 to 9 July 2005
6 JULY - FOLLOW THE ELECTION LIVE

From 8.30 (Singapore time, GMT +8), you can follow live the first day of the 117th IOC Session, during which the host city for the Games of the XXX Olympiad in 2012 will be elected.

The announcement of the result will be made live at 19.30.

The programme for Wednesday 6 July

see www.olympic.org for more details, in western europe start watching at about 1:30 am to watch the various presentations by the cities.


117th IOC SESSION
From 6 to 9 July 2005 (it is 09:11 a.m. in Singapore)
6 JULY - FOLLOW THE ELECTION LIVE



From 8.30 (Singapore time, GMT +8), you can follow live the first day of the 117th IOC Session, during which the host city for the Games of the XXX Olympiad in 2012 will be elected.



The announcement of the result will be made live at 19.30.


Wednesday 6 July 2005 - LIVE BROADCAST
08:30 - 09:00 Opening of the 117th IOC Session - Followed by the presentations of the 2012 Candidate Cities

Raffles Ballroom
09:00 - 10:00 Presentation by Paris

Raffles Ballroom
10:15 - 10:45 Press briefing by Paris VIP Lounge
10:30 - 11:30 Presentation by New York


Raffles Ballroom
11:45 - 12:15 Press briefing by New York VIP Lounge
12:00 - 13:00 Presentation by Moscow


Raffles Ballroom
13:15 - 13:45 Press briefing by Moscow VIP Lounge
14.30 - 15:30 Presentation by London


Raffles Ballroom
15:45 - 16:15 Press briefing by London VIP Lounge
16:00 - 17:00 Presentation by Madrid


Raffles Ballroom
17:15 - 17:45 Press briefing by Madrid VIP Lounge
17.15 - 17:45 Report by the Evaluation Commission

Raffles Ballroom
17:45 - 18:30 Vote to elect the 2012 Host City

Raffles Ballroom
19:30 - 20:00 Announcement Ceremony of the Host City of the Games of the XXX Olympiad in 2012

Raffles Ballroom
20:30 - 21:00 Signature of the Host City Contract followed by joint IOC/Host City press conference

Raffles Ballroom

What was said by a couple of IOC officials really is true though. Tony Blair is by far and away London's biggest asset for this bid. A Tony Blair charm offensive will blow the French politicians away. This thing will all come down to back room politics.

I agree, Paris' weakpoint is when Chirac opens his mouth, just look at the headlines in Britain today about our farming and food - i am not saying it is the best food in the world but he should at least learn to keep his gob shut sometimes...oh well hopefully it'll help Paris lose some IOC votes (prob not..):)

http://www.terra.es/addon/img/feed/deportes/20050704/71f99d652fcfcg.jpg

^
:eek2:

I agree, Paris' weakpoint is when Chirac opens his mouth, just look at the headlines in Britain today about our farming and food - i am not saying it is the best food in the world but he should at least learn to keep his gob shut sometimes...oh well hopefully it'll help Paris lose some IOC votes (prob not..):)

well the fins have 2 votes apparently, and they won't be particularly keen on Chirac ;)

^
:eek2:

http://www.london2012.org/NR/rdonlyres/6860AC72-F8E0-4481-A6A0-81BD0E66CD7A/0/woburn_abbey.jpg
http://www.london2012.org/NR/rdonlyres/E46375C0-99BE-4704-80AD-E3CD98E1894D/0/wellington_arch.jpg
http://www.london2012.org/NR/rdonlyres/DA93B45E-3808-4943-B515-A4DC4928B6BD/0/eden_project.jpg
http://www.london2012.org/NR/rdonlyres/A84C384F-847C-4E01-B455-0037A68A1742/0/big_ben.jpg
http://www.london2012.org/NR/rdonlyres/CE769A86-37DA-438D-9AA9-E425C181E14E/0/london_eye_fireworks.jpg

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/325202p-277993c.html
A final sales pitch

Hil arrives to join N.Y.'s Olympic team

By MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU

SINGAPORE - With one day left before the International Olympic Committee picks the 2012 host city, Sen. Hillary Clinton arrived here today in a burst of star power aimed at propelling New York's quest for Olympic gold.

"New York City exemplifies Olympic values every single day - living in New York is like living in an Olympic village," declared Clinton during a packed news conference this morning.

"It's almost hard to imagine that for the entire history of the Olympics, New York City has never hosted the Olympics," Clinton said. "We have lived the Olympics. Now, I'd like for us to have the chance to host the Olympics."

Among the five finalist cities, New York and Madrid are the only ones never to host the Games. Paris was the host in 1900 and 1924, London in 1908 and 1948 and Moscow in 1980. This morning, as expected, the International Olympic Committee's executive board officially gave the green light to New York's alternative proposal for an Olympic stadium in Queens. Last month, after a state board rejected the proposed $1.9 billion West Side stadium, Mayor Bloomberg unveiled plans to build a new stadium for the Mets that will be converted to an Olympic stadium if New York wins the Games.

"The conclusion of the evaluation commission's study of New York's revised proposal was that it's feasible," IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies told the Daily News.

Bloomberg, who had breakfast with Clinton this morning, boasted, "Now we have brought in the A team."

Later in the day, Bloomberg will greet Muhammad Ali, who wowed the world when he lit the Olympic cauldron at the Atlanta Games nine years ago. Ali is heading the city's athlete delegation here.

During her remarks this morning, Clinton noted New York is seeking the Games so soon after 9/11.

"We're standing here a little less than four years from the time when we were attacked and we're telling you that New York City is the place to bring the 2012 Olympics because the people of New York are resilient," she said.

Bloomberg and the city's top bid officials spent their July 4 meeting with IOC members and rehearsing their final presentation, which was expected to stress New York's diversity. All five bid cities will have 45 minutes tomorrow to deliver a final presentation, followed by a 15-minute question-and-answer session. At the end of the day, the IOC will award one of the cities the Games by secret ballot.

"We are going to emphasize our strengths. And our greatest strength is New York City and what New York City can offer the Olympic movement," said bid founder Daniel Doctoroff, referring to the city's diverse population and its status as the world capital of media and finance.

The presentation will include a video clip with celebrities including comedian Billy Crystal. President Bush, who will be celebrating his birthday tomorrow, also will appear by video.

Originally published on July 5, 2005

New York

The 5 cities finalists are wonderful and they are deserved to organize the Olympic games. Good luck for all. :hug: :cheers:

Good luck to all bidding cities :drunk: :drunk:

bon chance tout les payes.

(you can tell it has ben a while since I studied french)

Every city will host a good olympics! I just hope London gets it so i can drive down to see the games!

MADRID!!!!!!!!!!! We are ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck to all the bidding citys.

Come on London!

New York City

London's bid presentation has given Britain's capital an edge over rival cities competing to host the 2012 Summer Olympics, according to a survey of the world's top sports officials released on Tuesday.

The research found there was little to choose between the bids technically, which meant Wednesday's presentations would be "extremely influential" on the thinking of International Olympic Committee (IOC) members when they vote later that day.

"London received the strongest backing, partly on the basis that its presentations were thought to be the most professional of the five bidding cities," said the website, Sportcal.com.

The London-based site surveyed the secretaries general of National Olympic Committees (NOCs) and international sports federations by telephone and e-mail over the past two weeks.

The officials, who work alongside some of the roughly 100 IOC members due to cast the vote in Singapore, were asked which of the contenders -- London, Madrid, Moscow, New York and Paris -- they favoured and why.

"Of almost 70 NOCs and federations surveyed, London's bid was the clear leader ... with 44 percent of respondents backing its bid, compared with 29 percent backing for Paris, 10 percent each for Madrid and New York and 7 percent for Moscow," Sportcal.com said in a statement.

"London received the backing of 31 percent of the federations, compared to Paris's 28 percent, New York's 19 percent and 11 percent backing for ... Madrid and Moscow."

Paris came to Singapore confident in its role as clear favourite, but IOC president Jacques Rogge has repeatedly said the vote looked too close to call.

An IOC evaluation commission report last month said the New York and Madrid bids were high quality, appearing to put them behind Paris and London, which were both praised for "very high quality" bids. Moscow's bid was seen as merely "very serious."

The survey's authors, Mike Laflin and Callum Murray, quoted one NOC as saying that the technical aspects of the London and Paris bids were almost equal and there should be no problem for either city organising the biggest sporting event in the world.

"After all, if Athens could successfully organise the 2004 Olympic Games, any of the five bid cities would be able to match Athens easily," the NOC told the website.

Sportcal.com said that in the Americas, it did not receive enough responses to provide a meaningful sample.

This almost certainly means that votes for Madrid are under-represented in the survey's final results, given the likely backing for the city in the Hispanic regions of South and Central America.

National Olympic Committees of the countries that contain a bidding city were omitted from the survey samples.

GO NEW YORK!!! U CAN DO IT

I heard Paris was the favorite to win with London right behind them...it's been a long time for Paris they lost it in 1992 and 2008! I think they should win it this time

NY:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=224078

http://www.nyc2012.com/images/hi-res/NYC2012_OfficialEmblem2.jpg

http://nyscc.newyorkjets.com/images/new-photo3.jpg
dayumn those buildings are tall ....ar ethey gonna be like 80 stories or sumthin? im talkin bout da one behind the stadium..the tallest one

mannnn i missed NYC 2012 presentation and only saw the last 3 minutes of aint that some boo shit...does anyone know where i can find a taping of this? i g2g my plane takes off to ny in 7 hours.

Live Webcast of IOC Meeting - Including City Presentations
Click Olympic Logo
http://www.olympic.org/common/images/common/logo_ioc.gif (mms://livewm.fplive.net/ffnet/213.200.97.6_0.0.61.1)

London's presentation is on now people!

Well whatever the outcome, I think we, along with Madrid, have given Paris a run for its money!

Viva Londres!

http://french.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-1-10-paris-2012.jpg

I didn't see it but, by all accounts, the Paris presentation was very disappointing and dull. They played it very safe.

London, by contrast, was generally considered to have delivered the best presentation, leaving many IOC members with a tear in their eye.

New York also gave a good account of themselves.

Moscow seems well out of it and Madrid didn't do enough.

Paris will still probably get the vote but London have made a hell of a bid and, if there were enough members still to be swayed before today's presentations in Singapore, then London could possibly pip Paris at the post.

I didn't see it but, by all accounts, the Paris presentation was very disappointing and dull. They played it very safe.

London, by contrast, was generally considered to have delivered the best presentation, leaving many IOC members with a tear in their eye.

New York also gave a good account of themselves.

Moscow seems well out of it and Madrid didn't do enough.

Paris will still probably get the vote but London have made a hell of a bid and, if there were enough members still to be swayed before today's presentations in Singapore, then London could possibly pip Paris at the post.
WELL MY FRIEND U FORGOT THE SPANISH PRESENTATION

NYC, go for it.

NYC, out. Along with Moscow

NY is out....so Is Moscow

MOSCOW OUT then NEW YORK OUT.........

Its almost over for all except one!

Madrid out

So much for 'a big shock'

no majority obtained in round three!!!!..... madrid is out but there is a result in round four, either london or paris have achieved a majority.

Decision has been made...I want to know now :bash:

C'mon London!!!

C'mon Manchester!!

this is a nightmare...i wanna know now

come on london

*bites fingernails*

C'mon Birmingham

WELL MY FRIEND U FORGOT THE SPANISH PRESENTATION

Errr....no I didn't.

I said that, according to reports, "Madrid didn't do enough", and the third round vote seems to bear that out.

Was there a Spanish presentation for another city that none of us were aware of?

Madrid out! :( :cry:

C´mon London! :)

Congrats to the winner. Next time, perhaps...

Go London!

:applause: Thank you to all the supporters of the Madrid BID!

Congrats to the winner! :cheers:

AS NO WINNER WAS DECIDED UPON IN ROUND THREE MADRID VOTERS WILL DECIDE THE WINNER BETWEEN EITHER PARIS OR LONDON, IF LONDON WA CLEVER ENOUGH TO MAKE AN ALLIANCE THEN THEY WILL BENEFIT UNLESS PARIS IS FAR AHEAD AND ONLY NEEDED A FEW VOTES FOR MAJORITY....WHO KNOWS??,..

well, since only 2 cities left i finally made my decision and putted my vote for Paris. i hope Paris will win.

I havent felt this agitated since the Rugby World Cup Final or Southampton's last premiership match...

C'mon IOC you know you want the olympics to go to London! :)

Of course it goes to London, you can't trust people who eat snails.. ;)

GO PARIIIIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to what reports exactly? Did you see the presentation yourself? It was one of the most impressive, and it received one of the longest applause. The third round vote only shows the political influence of the French and of the British and American, it doesn't account in the least for the quality of the projects or the presentations. Madrid's project was first-class since the beginning, last year receiving a rating almost one point higher than London's, and getting the highest ratings in most categories of the report. Also, it is over 80% ready right now, offering the IOC a 100% security that it would be completed in time (while London's is still mostly a virtual project on paper). Many of its features were then unashamedly copied by London and Paris, and to crown it all, the IOC failed to show that, praising those same features in London and Paris while most intentionally forgetting about them in Madrid, in what was clearly a biassed report (containing such incredibly wrong assertions like that Majorca, one of the world's top tourist resorts, supposedly offered only "120 hotel beds").

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Errr....no I didn't.

I said that, according to reports, "Madrid didn't do enough", and the third round vote seems to bear that out.

Was there a Spanish presentation for another city that none of us were aware of?
According to what reports exactly? Did you see the presentation yourself? It was one of the most impressive, and it received one of the longest applause. The third round vote only shows the political influence of the French and of the British and American, it doesn't account in the least for the quality of the projects or the presentations. Madrid's project was first-class since the beginning, last year receiving a rating almost one point higher than London's, and getting the highest ratings in most categories of the report. Also, it is over 80% ready right now, offering the IOC a 100% security that it would be completed in time (while London's is still mostly a virtual project on paper). Many of its features were then unashamedly copied by London and Paris, and to crown it all, the IOC failed to show that, praising those same features in London and Paris while most intentionally forgetting about them in Madrid, in what was clearly a biassed report (containing such incredibly distorted assertions like that Majorca, one of the world's top tourist resorts, supposedly offered only "120 hotel beds").

Good luck Paris.

Viva Le France

MADRID 2016

not far away till they tell which one.................

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You can keep your prepotence for yourself. I don't care whether Paris or London gets the Games; none of them deserves them--because it will be their third Games, because of the prepotence they've displayed, and because of the dirty tricks attempting to denigrate the other cities' bids, an attitude which goes right against the Olympic spirit of fair game. Madrid's bid strategy, on the contrary, consisted in showing the good qualities of its own project, not in copying the best from the others' bids, nor in giving bad press to the rival cities, nor in trying to bribe the IOC members like London did. This Games should have gone to Madrid or to New York.

London Wins the 2012 Olympics
Around the Rings (subscription), GA - 6 minutes ago
(ATR) London is elected as the host of the 2012 Olympics, edging Paris in four rounds of voting at the IOC Session in Singapore. ...

You what?

You can keep your prepotence for yourself. I don't care whether Paris or London gets the Games; none of them deserves them--because it will be their third Games, because of the prepotence they've displayed, and because of the dirty tricks attempting to denigrate the other cities' bids, an attitude which goes right against the Olympic spirit of fair game. Madrid's bid strategy, on the contrary, consisted in showing the good qualities of its own project, not in copying the best from the others' bids, nor in giving bad press to the rival cities, nor in trying to bribe the IOC members like London did. This Games should have gone to Madrid or to New York.

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Yes... I was wondering the same thing...

LONDON!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats LONDON on her successful bid! May the spirit of the games live on

WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!

You what?

That's what it says but I don't believe they know.

http://www.aroundtherings.com/article.php?pid=1652

Congratulations!!

It's London!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yes: :applause: :yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause::yes: :applause:

LONDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEEY! LONDON! GONGRATZ BRITS!

fucking hell yeah!!!!! I'm shaking :eek2:

london win ..

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

i am crying!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm disappointed. the decision is political, but not sporting.

CONGRATULATIONS LONDON
CONGRATULATIONS ENGLAND
CONGRATULATIONS UNITED KINGDOM

YAY!!!

LONDON...........LONDON...........
LONDON...........LONDON...........
LONDON...........LONDON...........
LONDON...........LONDON...........
LONDON...........LONDON...........
LONDON...........LONDON...........

CONGRATS LONDON..........

i'm disappointed. the decision is political, but not sporting.

Yeah, because the UK is soooo popular around the world withthe Iraq war and everything :fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle::fiddle:

GO LONDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS

Congratulations to London!!

:cheers:

LONDON LONDON LONDON-IT!!!!!!

yep maybe Mo Rush knew it all along ;) - i suppose i'll have to support Capetown 2016/2020!

congrats
but i have a question

what will happen to the Olympic stadium after the Olympics?

Congratulations London from Madrid

I'm so happy! I'm going to London in 2012! With all my friends, and a bunch of Dutch athletes, and I'll bring all my UK mates.. and we'll have the biggest party of the world!

i'm disappointed. the decision is political, but not sporting.
Agreed. BTW, I'm sorry for Moscow that it got out in the first round. IMHO, you deserved the Games much more than Paris or London. Moscow was my third choice after Madrid and New York.

i'm disappointed. the decision is political, but not sporting.



hahaha get a LIFE, MOSCOW didnt even announce to the people that YOU HAD BEEN voted out on the first ROUND! HAHAHA :D lOl... :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

I hate sore losers. I bet if Paris won it you'd be saying it was the best bid without political motivation and as has already been noted...The UK in Iraq wasn't seen as popular, if anything and politics did lead to the vote - London would not have won.

yep maybe Mo Rush knew it all along ;) - i suppose i'll have to support Capetown 2016/2020!
WE GAVE YOU MANDELA, u give us future support please, im shaking and just imagining the olympic park glow in 2012, im not saying how i knew it would be london but who cares welldone!!!
MADIBA MAGIC!!!

Dont get me wrong, Moscow is a great city for the Olympics, but the bidding was pretty pathetic.

congratulations,Londoners and brits. :eek2: :cheers: ;)

C'mon lets be fair and not gloat! Each city shall have its time - i do feel a little bit sorry for parisians, not Chirac tho!

The stadium shall be converted into a 30,000 Athletics stadium after the games.

C'mon lets be fair and not gloat! Each city shall have its time - i do feel a little bit sorry for parisians, not Chirac tho!

The stadium shall be converted into a 30,000 Athletics stadium after the games.
Yeah, he alone deserves defeat.

hmm jammer , but London deserve it also

yeah, i also feel VERY VERY VERY sorry for Paris, just so Unlucky! :(

think it was Chiracs comments that turned the tide lol

Congrats London from Spain!!! this was maybe one of the hardest choices of the IOC ever and you get it, so i´m sure you´ll make a great, great games...i hope to have a couple of paints while in London enyoing the crazy english summer by 2012.

:cheers1:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! Wow.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7512/bigmdi1092941aa.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)Congratiulation from Parishttp://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7512/bigmdi1092941aa.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Region Capitale de France

the ugliest city got the host,really surprising,but brits did a hell of a good job.

My grandmother and grandfather visited the 1948 London Olympics - maybe it is my turn now! :)

is this the final design of the stadium?

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/olympics2012/images/london-1.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/olympics2012/images/london-2.jpg

@ tiger
ugliest city? justify it please.. in what sense..
btw.. difference was 4 votes between Paris and London

the ugliest city got the host,really surprising,but brits did a hell of a good job.

Fuck Off moron

^^ some1 should tame that tiger... wohoo thanx 4 the congrats! n sympathy for paris & all the other cities who put in solid bids

@ Sercan

Yep. hopefully they will sort out the stands arrangement tho, not keen on some of the renders showing the stands seperated.

75 thousond seat stadium for east london.

i thought 80,000?

75 thousond seat stadium for east london.

@ tiger
ugliest city? justify it please.. in what sense..
btw.. difference was 4 votes between Paris and London

look at wjfox's pics,fucking ugly.

as i said before,i like british songs,hahaha,maybe brits saw it,and show their best in london's presentation video. :)

Fuck Off moron

Beijing 2008,moron.

Has anyone got details of how the members voted in each round?

Tiger I think you should get of your ass and visit the city dimwit its one of the beautiful cities in the world.

Its just not the same as every other city. It actually has different styles of architecture. No other city can compare to Londons wealth of styles.

"And the winner is...London" *cheers*

London WON!!!

i thought 80,000?
75 i think i anyone else can comfirm it please confirm.

Beijing 2008,moron.
and like so? u deserve a ban man, city basher

Tiger I think you should get of your ass and visit the city dimwit its one of the beautiful cities in the world.

Its just not the same as every other city. It actually has different styles of architecture. No other city can compare to Londons wealth of styles.

yes,it's more than likely that i will visit London in 2012,and welcome to Beijing in 2008! :cheers:

London is THE STADIUM CITY

New Wembley 90,000
Olympic Stadium 80,000
Twickenham 75,000
Emirates 60,000
(only the real big ones)

+ Millenium Dome 23,000

+ two +300m towers :D

Its 80,000

the ugliest city got the host,really surprising,but brits did a hell of a good job.

And your exactly the reson why London won, you French should really learn to keep your mouths shut and stop upsetting everyone. :laugh:

Tiger I think you should get of your ass and visit the city dimwit its one of the beautiful cities in the world.

Its just not the same as every other city. It actually has different styles of architecture. No other city can compare to Londons wealth of styles.

Yeaps, London, a melting pot of cultures :D Paris however, is equally as good though. :D

And your exactly the reson why London won, you French should really learn to keep your mouths shut and stop upsetting everyone. :laugh:

i'm a chinese living in France,maybe China's 4 votes all went for London. :)

Interesting, the Madrid crowds booed Paris and cheered London! That 'secret agreement' may have been true! ;) cheers Madrid!

And your exactly the reson why London won, you French should really learn to keep your mouths shut and stop upsetting everyone. :laugh:

He's chinese, studying in France...

I will visit Madrid now! thanks folks! London will stage an amazing Olympics - I'm already saving up for opening ceremony tickets! Hope construction on the Olympics complex will start soon!

Well done London!

I hate sore losers. I bet if Paris won it you'd be saying it was the best bid without political motivation and as has already been noted...The UK in Iraq wasn't seen as popular, if anything and politics did lead to the vote - London would not have won.
"political" - read >> "uk's colonies voted for london"

He's chinese, studying in France...

Paris's video......... :sleepy:

London is THE STADIUM CITY

Twickenham 75,000



Well, currently only 64,000, though it will be 82,000 in two years' time (they're rebuilding the South Stand) :)

So London won...bad luck Paris maybe next time.

So London won...bad luck Paris maybe next time.
that'll be the 4th time. :sleepy:

it was said if Paris failed this time,it would never demand for olympic games.

Well done all cities! I tried to watch as much as I could of the live bid presentations this morning (which wasn't a lot because I was out at 6am for work and back for 12)

Moscows video presentation was beautiful, some of the concepts where well deservant of becoming a reality, I think its a shame they left the competition first.

Yet, naturally.. I am soo excited, proud and jubilant of our win!

Also, to say this was political is possibly the worst excuse to chose, If it was political, London would of been out FIRST! We won due to hard honest work, stability and legacy.. end of really.

Congratulations London! Remember Madrid gave you the games! (that "secret" alliance):)

Congratulations London! Remember Madrid gave you the games! (that "secret" alliance):)

it was damn surprising.i always have impression that France gets very well along with Spain regarding foreign policy,but Spain.......... :sleepy:

Javier. You really shouldn't be so bitter.

I wasn't criticizing the Madrid bid. All I said was that, according to reports from journalists and IOC members of several nationalities, London made the best final presentation today. Paris, by contrast, played it too safe. And Madrid didn't do quite enough in their final presentation to make up those final few votes, despite a strong late run.

I have great sympathy for Paris (who haven't held the Olympics since 1924 and who have now bid unsuccessfully three times recently). I also have great sympathy for Madrid (who have never held the games) but the fact that Spain held the Olympics so recently (Barcelona 1992) probably counted against their bid.

And while London has held the Games twice before, we only held 1908 because of the eruption of Vesuvius and we took over from Rome at the last minute. And we only held the 1948 Games at two years notice in a bid to help the world recover from World War 2. On neither occasion had we bid for the Games and on neither occasion had we had time to prepare and plan fully.

I won't even comment on your accusations that we "stole" Madrid's ideas or that the vote was politically motivated because they're not worth my time and effort.

Suffice to say, commiserations to the unsuccessful bidding cities. I hope you all make successful bids in the near future.

And I hope that London will prove worthy of the trust that has been placed in it.

Tiger I think you should get of your ass and visit the city dimwit its one of the beautiful cities in the world.

Its just not the same as every other city. It actually has different styles of architecture. No other city can compare to Londons wealth of styles.
birminghamculture, The win for London came down to what I predicted to you some weeks back, and you told me to jog on.London has beaten Paris by 4 votes, where do you think some of them came from.Anyway, cheers and good luck from Australia. :)

So London won...bad luck Paris maybe next time.
it was second time for Paris, they lose 2008 for Beijing...



Luzhkov: Moscow will bid for 2016
Москва намерена побороться за Олимпиаду-2016
6.07.2005 16:33 MCK
http://www.strana.ru/news/252837.html

МОСКВА, 06 июля - Москва будет подавать заявку на проведение Олимпиады-2016. Об этом, как сообщили в Заявочном комитете "Москва-2012", заявил мэр российской столицы Юрий Лужков.

"Мы не расстроены, наоборот, мы убедились в том, что Москва поистине современный и быстро развивающийся город, способный конкурировать с крупнейшими столицами мира и организовывать важные международные мероприятия на высочайшем уровне. И чтобы доказать это, мы будем бороться за право проведения Олимпийских игр 2016 года", - сказал Лужков после объявления результатов голосования на 117-й сессии Международного олимпийского комитета (МОК) в Сингапуре. Юрий Лужков убежден, что Лондон сможет на достойном уровне провести Олимпийские игры 2012 года. "От всей души поздравляем Лондон и уверены, что там пройдут незабываемые Игры ХХХ Олимпиады", - заявил он.

Лужков также выразил убежденность, что, несмотря на неудачу в борьбе за право принять Олимпиаду-2012 Москва будет развивать спорт и городскую инфраструктуру. "За проведение Олимпийских и Паралимпийских игр 2012 года боролись очень сильные соперники, и мы гордимся, что принимали участие в этой гонке. У нас появился значительный опыт, и мы научились следовать высочайшим стандартам МОК, - отметил он. - Москва пообещала развивать спорт и городскую инфраструктуру вне зависимости от результатов голосования, и выполнит данное ею обещание".

В первом туре за Москву проголосовали 15 членов МОК, Нью-Йорк - 19, Мадрид - 20, Париж - 21, Лондон - 22. Во втором туре, в котором Москва уже не участвовала, Нью-Йорк набрал 16 голосов, Париж - 25, Лондон - 27, Мадрид - 32. В третьем туре за Мадрид был подан - 31 голос, Париж - 33, Лондон - 39. В итоговом четвертом туре голоса распределились следующим образом: Париж - 50, Лондон - 54.

Hooray... I just went to Trafalgar square for my lunch break to see the result, fucking brilliant, I am sooooo pleased.

The legacy this will leave for East London is enormous and will seriously spur the government to get on with improving the transport infrastucture.

"political" - read >> "uk's colonies voted for london"

Probably ex-French colonies voted for Paris and US vassal states voted for NY too. Russia has some ex-colonies too but they don't seem to like you very much:)

/\ hehehehehehehehehe

is this the final design of the stadium?

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/olympics2012/images/london-1.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/olympics2012/images/london-2.jpg

after the Olympics: 80.000->25,000
http://img.web.de/c/00/59/E7/37.420

Probably ex-French colonies voted for Paris and US vassal states voted for NY too. Russia has some ex-colonies too but they don't seem to like you very much:)
i think russia have much less colonies than uk
Paris 21 25 33 50
NYC 19 16 X X
Moscow 15 X X X
London 22 27 39 54
Madrid 20 32 31 X

as visible here, most votes from moscow goes to paris and madrid in second round. some votes from nyc to london.

/\ whats the point of that?!

"political" - read >> "uk's colonies voted for london"I assume thats because we left a legacy that is mostly appreciated compared to Russia's attempts at degrading most of Eastern Europe for decades??? Hell I suppose if Mongolia or Italy went in, they would most likely also win :laugh:

Face it Coth, Moscow was always the lagging party - every source said that and not even Putin's last minute 'I can speak English' desperate attempt didn't work.

it was damn surprising.i always have impression that France gets very well along with Spain regarding foreign policy,but Spain.......... :sleepy:
No way!!! French people are very prepotent!!! We are closer to british people than french people.

Paris 21 25 33 50
NYC 19 16 X X
Moscow 15 X X X
London 22 27 39 54
Madrid 20 32 31 X

Interesting, so London was the favourite city of more electors than anyone else.In fact it was leading in every round except no. 2

My declaration on London 2012.

London should understand that Olympic games is an event of international importance. It is not just games for first world. Then, UK should cancel visa system and welcome all funs. The transportation system should have signes on, at least, all biggest languages: Chinese, Spanish, Russian, French, German etc. The prices should be compatible with BRIC, second and thrid world countries. That everyone from the world will have possibility to visit it, not being bankrupt.

By the way, look at the webs. London is off, NYC and Moscow don't say any about the decission, Paris say it with small mouth and... look the Madrid's one. Always with a high class and from the respect. A 10/10 to Madrid2012!!!

Luzhkov: Moscow will bid for 2016
What a waste of time and money. It's clear no European city will get the 2016 Games, and dubious there'll be a chance even in 2020. Most probably they will go to some South American (Rio de Janeiro?) or African (Cape Town?) city, because it's their turn after North America (1996), Oceania (2000), Europe (2004), Asia (2008) and again Europe (2012), and because those continents have never hosted the Games so far (Rogge has already expressed his desire to bring the Olympics to Africa for the first time as soon as possible). Or maybe they'll go to Dubai (the Middle East has never hosted the Games so far, either), which I'm sure will submit an impressive project for 2016.

Javier how did London bribe anyone? Where is the evidence?

Interesting that Madrid won round 2 and that NYC actually lost votes in that round compaired to the first. Maybe a few favours were called in to make sure they didnt go out first?

What a waste of time and money. It's clear no European city will get the 2016 Games, and dubious there'll be a chance even in 2020. Most probably they will go to some South American (Rio de Janeiro?) or African (Cape Town?) city, because it's their turn after North America (1996), Oceania (2000), Europe (2004), Asia (2008) and again Europe (2012), and because those continents have never hosted the Games so far (Rogge has already expressed his desire to bring the Olympics to Africa for the first time as soon as possible). Or maybe they'll go to Dubai (the Middle East has never hosted the Games so far, either), which I'm sure will submit an impressive project for 2016.

you are wrong,if Moscow bids for 2016 and again for 2020,it'll have more chances to win the competition of 2024 due to emotional compensation. :)

The prices should be compatible with BRIC, second and thrid world countries. That everyone from the world will have possibility to visit it, not being bankrupt.

That would be very nice and I'm sure there willbe some cheaper tickets but if you are paying first world prices to construct the stadia and other facilities then you have to charge first world prices for the tickets or you will lose billions of pounds/euros/dollars.

My declaration on London 2012.

London should understand that Olympic games is an event of international importance. It is not just games for first world. Then, UK should cancel visa system and welcome all funs. The transportation system should have signes on, at least, all biggest languages: Chinese, Spanish, Russian, French, German etc. The prices should be compatible with BRIC, second and thrid world countries. That everyone from the world will have possibility to visit it, not being bankrupt.English is practically the world-language (even though it doesn't have as many speakers as Chinese), so I so no need to put english signs up. Moscow though would have had to overhaul its system.

Prices will be charged in relation to construction, operation and demand - not to the financial situation of those wishing to turn up. Also if prices were lowered to those of less well-off countries, how exactly would a peasant farmer in Ghana afford the flight to London which will undoubtedly be far more than the actual olympic tickets. I somehow doubt you thought that all through before typing....once again.

Congratulations London, Congratulations England. Hope this world event will bring the UK closer to peaceful solutions on international issues and make it more aware of the practicality and importance of the European Union.

Javier how did London bribe anyone? Where is the evidence?
I talked about attempting to bribe. Unlike the other bids, London's has been surrounded by scandals in this respect. First, an IOC member was discovered last year trying to sell his vote to London. Then, in an unexpected last-minute move, London announced they would be providing NOCs with $50,000 credits--a concealed attempt at winning votes from IOC members by rewarding their organizations with economical benefits should London be elected--, a dirty trick which got London seriously warned by the IOC.

how is it a concealed attempt when it was announced in a conference hall in front of IOC members?

This is me caring --> :sleepy:


All I know is that Ill be sat in the main stand watching the olympics in my country and my city.

you are wrong,if Moscow bids for 2016 and again for 2020,it'll have more chances to win the competition of 2024 due to emotional compensation. :)
Just have a look at how much Paris has succeeded in this respect...

Yay! Ignore the pratt ^^

I talked about attempting to bribe. Unlike the other bids, London's has been surrounded by scandals in this respect. First, an IOC member was discovered last year trying to sell his vote to London.

How does this have anything to do with the London team? Did they accept his bribe? Do you have any evidence that any of the 54 who voted for London had been paid to do so? If not, keep your malicious gossip to yourself.

but the fault lies not with London 2012 but with the IOC member willing to sell his bribe to JOURNALISTS.

its soo much better watching the london 2012 videos knowing its a reality!!

CONGRATULATIONS LONDON!!

At least, the architect of the Olympic Area he will be a madrilian, Alejandro Zaera Polo!! A little bit of Madrid it will be in the Olympic Games in 2012!! :)

English is practically the world-language (even though it doesn't have as many speakers as Chinese), so I so no need to put english signs up. Moscow though would have had to overhaul its system.

extremely arrogant attitude to have as a host. you should be accomodating, not expecting the same from your guests. hope the organising committee thinks differently, i am sure they will

multilingual signs will be extremely helpful, as will translators at train/bus stations. its a good chance for britain to act as good hosts, they shouldnt squander it. the best remembered games are the ones where the hosts went out of their way to welcome visitors, not ones where only the interests of the citizens of the host country were taken into account

I think most of us always knew it would be London that would win. Moscow and NYC were riddled with problems. Madrid had a nice bid, but it didn't have the glamour of London or Paris. The Paris bid was based around a stadium that just wasn't up to standard.

I talked about attempting to bribe. Unlike the other bids, London's has been surrounded by scandals in this respect. First, an IOC member was discovered last year trying to sell his vote to London.

How is that London attempting to bribe? you don't half talk some crap. My god why don't you get over it you lost because Spain only recently had the olympics and their bid wasn't as good as London's end of story.

How does this have anything to do with the London team? Did they accept his bribe? Do you have any evidence that any of the 54 who voted for London had been paid to do so? If not, keep your malicious gossip to yourself.
The IOC member who was caught trying to sell his vote was banned, AFAIK. And I repeat I talked about attempting to win votes by promising economic rewards. It is not "my" malicious gossip: the scandal is well known, and the IOC themselves warned London for that move. The fact that London has finally got the Games will not wash away the dirt that has surrounded its bidding process. You finally got the Games--OK, it was an expectable result given today's influence of the English-speaking world at a global scale, and yours is a very good project even if it is still largely on paper, so expectably we'll have a nice 2012 Games. Also, I'm glad East London will be revived thanks to it. But you just can't claim you got them from an immaculate bidding process as everyone would have liked. And you can't deny the fact that after 2012, London alone will have hosted 10% of all Olympic Games and become the only thrice-Olympic city in the world, while many other world-class cities have never had a single opportunity so far.

We won fair and square, no one likes a sore a loser.

London saved the olympics twice....the other 2 times we had them we wasnt awarded them.

Madrid was just bidding for the sake of bidding.


And London the only city to have it 3 times....Great....but I guess if Paris has won it would of been ok!?

My god why don't you get over it you lost because Spain only recently had the olympics and their bid wasn't as good as London's end of story.
Sure, that's why last year the IOC rated Madrid's project at 8.3 and London's at 7.5. If you won, that was because of politics, certainly not because yours was the best project.

Because the UK is so popular around the world. :|

Madrid was just bidding for the sake of bidding.Yeah, sure. :sleepy:

C'mon Javier London2012 had no involvement with buying votes. Its the BBC journalists who decided to get a story and revealed some of the corruption that still existed in the IOC.

What amazes me is the IOC have had 3 chances to give the games to Paris and each time they said NON!

Congratulations londoners...I am sure that they will be an excellent Olympic games, like in Barcelona `92 ;)

1. NYC
2. London
3. Madrid
4. Paris
5. Moscow