Vote for Olympics 2012

Madrid or Paris...


1.Madrid
2.Paris
3.London
4.Moscow
5New York

I voted London.

I'd put Madrid in a very close, second position.


In fact this is how i'd rank them overall.

1. London
2. Madrid
3. Paris
4. Moscow
5. New York

1. London
2. Paris
3. Madrid
4. Moscow
5. New York

1.- Madrid
2.- Paris
3.- New York
4.- London
5.- Moscow

CNN poll - 9 cities. Posted on 16.01.2004

Havana 4% 6986 votes
Istanbul 36% 69423 votes
Leipzig 1% 1625 votes
London 5% 9798 votes
Madrid 1% 1989 votes
Moscow 36% 68925 votes
New York 7% 14239 votes
Paris 1% 2786 votes
Rio de Janeiro 8% 14960 votes
Total: 190731 votes


CNN poll - 5 cities. Posted on 18.05.2004
London 25% 16621 votes
Madrid 10% 6754 votes
Moscow 13% 8774 votes
New York 37% 24790 votes
Paris 14% 9327 votes
Total: 66266 votes

My list
1. Moscow
2. Paris
3. London
4. Madrid
5. New York

1. Moscow
2. Madrid
3. London
4. Paris
5. New York

1. London
2. Madrid
3. New York
4. Moscow
5. Paris

Frankly, I think they should make Greece the permanent home of the Summer Olympic Games. Then they can rotate the winter games, which cost much less, around the world. Greece is going to show the world what the Olympics is all about and they should reside there after the Beijing games in 2008.

But, from the list I voted for Moscow. After the US pulled that boneheaded boycott of the games in 1980, we owe the Russians. If they can afford it, the games should go there.

final Note

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k.. London

Frankly, I think they should make Greece the permanent home of the Summer Olympic Games. Then they can rotate the winter games, which cost much less, around the world. Greece is going to show the world what the Olympics is all about and they should reside there after the Beijing games in 2008.

But, from the list I voted for Moscow. After the US pulled that boneheaded boycott of the games in 1980, we owe the Russians. If they can afford it, the games should go there.

The Olympics would then dwindle to nothing, and the exitement of the Games would die down and they would be boring forever. The point of the Olympics would be useless.

Its a very thick headed statement. What keeps the Games running is the constant change of environment and the new and exiteing spin each host city and their respective nations bring to the Games. This woulden't be the case if each Games were held in Athens.

They would also loose their special vibe about them. It would become a common thing in Athens, and Athens 2004 wouldent be special.

Athens 2004 has givin Greece it's chance to shine for the first time since 1896, so why not let other cities and countries have the same chance.

NY, so that Hamburg can host the games in 2016! :D

BTW there are some people who suggested Berlin maybe should do it again ;) :D
(now after opening of the renovated stadium)

BTW there are some people who suggested Berlin maybe should do it again ;) :D
(now after opening of the renovated stadium)

But it´s also interesting to know that only Berliners think Berlin should ask for the olympics ;)

Berlin's Olympic stadium stinks. Hamburg would have a brand-spanking new one for half the price of Berlin's roof.

Moscow :) .

Madrid! All the others woul be unspectacular, especially L, P and NYC.

Madrid!!!!! I hope!

London.

1 Madrid
2 Moscow
3 London
4 Ny
5 Paris

I don't know why people vote for Madrid. If Madrid got the games that would mean that 2 out of the last 3 Olympic Games that were held in Europe, were/will be hosted by Spain. Seems kind of unfair to me.

I voted for none of those citites. All of those cities have already proven to the world that they are world-class, so they need no more recognition. The Olympics should be given to a city that is right on the cusp, like Budapest, Hungary or Porto Alegre, Brasil. These cities are great places, but they just need that injection of fame and recognition that the Olympics would give them to make them truly world-class. Look at Barcelona if you want an example! Of course, I live in Atlanta, which had the chance to be world-class in 1996 when the Olympics came here, but I would say we blew it!

The Olympics would then dwindle to nothing, and the exitement of the Games would die down and they would be boring forever. The point of the Olympics would be useless.

The only one "thick headed" here is you, Noir. The Olympic games existed in Greece for 5 centuries! The modern games are only ONE CENTURY old. If they were held in the home country, maybe all the crap like rampant commercialism, graft and IOC corruption would end and we could focus on international athletics? You could still rotate the winter games if folks like you feel it's essential to showcase various countries.

I don't know why people vote for Madrid. If Madrid got the games that would mean that 2 out of the last 3 Olympic Games that were held in Europe, were/will be hosted by Spain. Seems kind of unfair to me.
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2010, Canada
2008, China
2006, Italy
2004, Greece
2002, USA (so not for New York)
2000, Australia
1998, Japan
1996, USA (so not for New York)
1994, Norway
1992, France (so not for Paris)
1992, Spain (so not for Madrid)
1988, Canada
1988, South Korea
1984, USA (so not for New York)
1984, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Yugoslavia (only one real olynpic games in EE)
1980, Moscow (broken games, because of USA and Co)
1980, USA (in New York state, so twice not for New York)


Fact against London - they have OG twice - in 1908 and in 1948. Like New York state have it twice too in 1932 and in 1980.

Moscow never have real games.

All cities have excellect bids, but to be fair 2012 must be in Moscow.

I don't think they should be in Greece every summer Olympics. While a good thought, overall it wouldn't go. I agree with most of Noir's thoughts....


But I do think Greece should host them every so often. At least every 50 years or so.... (like ever 12 Summer Olympics or something).

Like New York state have it twice too in 1932 and in 1980.

C'mon, those were the winter games in upstate New York...that's almost an entirely different country. :D

Yeah, we don't even like New Yorkers up here!!! :D

London

Twice. Paris has had their chance. I agree with Moscow. Eastern Europe has been ignored for too long. If they can have it in Beijing, they can have it in Moscow.

1.Moscow
2.Madrid
3.London
4.Paris
5.NY

Moscow for me. Eastern Europe must have a chance.

Either Rio or NY sounds best to me...:)

at the firts time i wanted rio to host it°°|

I want Moscow to host it to showcase the new modern Russia and plus moscow-city would be finished by that time :)

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2010, Canada
2008, China
2006, Italy
2004, Greece
2002, USA (so not for New York)
2000, Australia
1998, Japan
1996, USA (so not for New York)
1994, Norway
1992, France (so not for Paris)
1992, Spain (so not for Madrid)
1988, Canada
1988, South Korea
1984, USA (so not for New York)
1984, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Yugoslavia (only one real olynpic games in EE)
1980, Moscow (broken games, because of USA and Co)
1980, USA (in New York state, so twice not for New York)


Fact against London - they have OG twice - in 1908 and in 1948. Like New York state have it twice too in 1932 and in 1980.

Moscow never have real games.

All cities have excellect bids, but to be fair 2012 must be in Moscow.
It doesn't matter whether they were broken or not. It's a fact that it has happened 24 years ago, so NO for Moscow as much as for New York too ;)

About that fact against London. Do you understand that would be non-sense not to let cities that once hosted the olympics to host them, say, for a century. In 2012 will be 64 years after the last olympics, so I don't see your "NO" against this city :|

So my vote goes for London ;)

obviously Paris if the only city able to host the games

1. Paris
2. London (brits are willing to corrupt voters)

the others cities can't win.
NY after Atlanta 96 : it would be a shame (fed up with america)
Madrid after Barcelona 92 : impossible (too expensive for such a poor country)
Moscow : an other undevelopped country to host the games after Beijing, it's a joke !

Don't be stupid.... Paris capital of the world forever

obviously Paris if the only city able to host the games

1. Paris
2. London (brits are willing to corrupt voters)

the others cities can't win.
NY after Atlanta 96 : it would be a shame (fed up with america)
Madrid after Barcelona 92 : impossible (too expensive for such a poor country)
Moscow : an other undevelopped country to host the games after Beijing, it's a joke !

Don't be stupid.... Paris capital of the world forever
Hahaha, captial of the world :lol: Maybe it's a great city, but not the capital, at least officially :|

A poor country

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obviously Paris if the only city able to host the games

1. Paris
2. London (brits are willing to corrupt voters)

the others cities can't win.
NY after Atlanta 96 : it would be a shame (fed up with america)
Madrid after Barcelona 92 : impossible (too expensive for such a poor country)
Moscow : an other undevelopped country to host the games after Beijing, it's a joke !

Don't be stupid.... Paris capital of the world forever

where are you from and how old you?

obviously Paris if the only city able to host the games

1. Paris
2. London (brits are willing to corrupt voters)

the others cities can't win.
NY after Atlanta 96 : it would be a shame (fed up with america)
Madrid after Barcelona 92 : impossible (too expensive for such a poor country)
Moscow : an other undevelopped country to host the games after Beijing, it's a joke !

Don't be stupid.... Paris capital of the world forever

hahahaha hey man! You are mad. Spain is a poor country??? please..... you're ignorant.

obviously Paris if the only city able to host the games

1. Paris
2. London (brits are willing to corrupt voters)

the others cities can't win.
NY after Atlanta 96 : it would be a shame (fed up with america)
Madrid after Barcelona 92 : impossible (too expensive for such a poor country)
Moscow : an other undevelopped country to host the games after Beijing, it's a joke !

Don't be stupid.... Paris capital of the world forever

Spain,the 9th richest country in the world;
plz shut up your mouth ....
Again a repugnant "frenchie"...go home with your stupid paris candidature:bleh:...MADRID 2012!!! SPAIN ROCKS!!!

Rich or poor, spaniards on this forum have no sense of humour and tend to be rude very quickly. On dit aussi susceptibles, ombrageux...

Rich or poor, some spaniards on this forum have no sense of humour and tend to get rude very quickly. On dit aussi susceptibles, ombrageux...
Anyway, let's be wise. One shouldn't wish for what the Gods will prevent. And one would be clever to wish for what will certainly happen. This one will go to Paris, for sure. So whoever wishes to guess right should vote for Paris. Whoever is a perfidious loser should vote for London. Madrid and Moscow are great cities which deserve it, but another time.

London or Moscow for sure.

The Olympics have to go to New York City in 2012. After the city has been through so much after 9/11, it is still the main economic center of the world.
Plus the city and the USA will be able to contribute so much more money towards building event venues and improving transportation issues then any other city can anywhere. The bottom line is that if the games are held in New York City, it's an almost sure thing they will be the best yet. :)

It should be New York City. Europe has summer olympics this year, USA had'em 8 years ago. Moreover it has to be NYC in order to get the games to Berlin in 2016.

But if the games went to Europe in 2012, I´m prefering

1) London
2) Moscow
3) Paris
4) Madrid

New York!!!

because...
http://www.regione.lombardia.it/servlet/BlobServer?blobcol=urlfilepath&blobkey=id&blobtable=Foto&blobwhere=1091721818010

don't you found it is too much...? two olympic games in one metro in 10 years...

Actually Coth - London has saved the Olympics on two occasions - both were due to events elsewhere in the world which meant that the Olympics had to be switched to London (the only city at the time capable of holding the events at short notice)......London has never won and then held an Olympic Games.....it is thus not in the same class as Moscow or Paris (which have both had games). Madrid had Barcelona and the US had Atlanta and several previous Olympic Games before that!

I think London deserves a chance - it has the stadia practically already! The 90,000 Wembley is well u/c, as is Arsenal's Ashburton Grove (60,000) and Twickenham is being expanded to 82,500!!! That before we even think of an Olympic Stadium which would have a capacity of around 80,000 around Stratford. I could even see Stramford Bridge under Roman Ambromovich being expanded soon to 60,000 :laugh:.........That 5 (3 definately) probably 60,000+ stadia and 3 (2 definate) 80,000+ stadia for London....way to many stadia - but oh well :)




And Gun57 - it was the British in a BBC programme called Panorama that found out that there were multiple corrupt IOC chiefs....it wasn't the British who were corrupt ya pillick :lol:

I suggest you read this about the corruption unveiled on TV just this Wendnesday!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3937425.stm

Actually Coth - London has saved the Olympics on two occasions - both were due to events elsewhere in the world which meant that the Olympics had to be switched to London (the only city at the time capable of holding the events at short notice)......London has never won and then held an Olympic Games.....it is thus not in the same class as Moscow or Paris (which have both had games). Madrid had Barcelona and the US had Atlanta and several previous Olympic Games before that!

I think London deserves a chance - it has the stadia practically already! The 90,000 Wembley is well u/c, as is Arsenal's Ashburton Grove (60,000) and Twickenham is being expanded to 82,500!!! That before we even think of an Olympic Stadium which would have a capacity of around 80,000 around Stratford. I could even see Stramford Bridge under Roman Ambromovich being expanded soon to 60,000 :laugh:.........That 5 (3 definately) probably 60,000+ stadia and 3 (2 definate) 80,000+ stadia for London....way to many stadia - but oh well :)

Infrastructure in Moscow is allmost built. Need only construction of CSKA stadium, which will be in anyway, and reconstruction of Dinamo stadium.

Also I would not call that, what was in Moscow as olympic games. Olympic games doing without policy. It was not on the same class as Paris or London. Will be good, if London win and by occasion will get their right to Moscow:)

Moscow or New York

How was any past Olympic Games for London the same as any modern Olympics - London was the city that had to host them at the last second. London could have said "no - you can take your Olympics and shoved them".....but it didn't! Otherwise the Olympics could have died because it was the only city capable of holding such a large event at a moments notice!!!!

If we took a country basis - Britain is the only country to not have held an Olympics via winning it through the bidding process, all the other countries have bidded, won and held an Olympics!!!!

doesn't matter through or not through. you have it twice.

But London never won the bidding system, then held it........London was the fallback city for when the original cities ran into trouble!!!! But you then claim Moscow is different because somehow it wasn't a full games - give me a break!!!!

I would go for either NY or Moscow

Spain,the 9th richest country in the world;
plz shut up your mouth ....
Again a repugnant "frenchie"...go home with your stupid paris candidature:bleh:...MADRID 2012!!! SPAIN ROCKS!!!

I was just joking, of course Spain isn't a poor country (to me it' rather one of the most dynamic one in Europe) and i've already been in Barcelona which is really a great city.
be confident I love Spain ! :cheers1:

europe = one nation

But London never won the bidding system, then held it........London was the fallback city for when the original cities ran into trouble!!!! But you then claim Moscow is different because somehow it wasn't a full games - give me a break!!!!
So what you want? win in bidding? or host an olympic games?

So what you want? win in bidding? or host an olympic games?:? What on earth are you going on about - of course I want the city that wins the bidding process to receive the games!!!! But London hasn't won the bidding process and THEN held an Olympics - London has had to rescue the Olympics on two occasions because the primary city had problems!!!!

ok. no problems. if you win, give this olympic games us.

well nick taylor, it's getting a bit tiring this "crying-all-ove-the place" that London has never won the bidding process and saved the Olympic games, and should then have it now etc....crap, crap , crap !!

If you think London should have the Games, just stick on what makes your bid the greatest and stop calling back on the facts of History !!

You hosted the Games twice, period ! As did Paris !

ok. no problems. if you win, give this olympic games us.Hang on - your now saying that if London wins the bidding process, then London should hand it Moscow - where is the logic in that :? What is your point :?


Kony - But is stupid to say that London has held the games twice when on both occasions it was the fallback city - London wouldn't have had to have hosted the Olympics had events at the original cities not taken place!!! I find it a joke that a city that never won the bidding process and then successfully getting the games is put down against cities that won the bidding process and then received the games such as Paris - its a bit short sighted and idiotic to say otherwise!!!! If you can't recognise that its not a clear black and white problem then your priorities and intelligence are sorely misguided :yes:

Well it will prolly be between Ldn and Paris.
NY would have a chance- if it had the transport. On its site it says that the venues would be on rail and river routes. River! What a joke. River isn't very efficent, and rail is OK, but I thought NY had an underground...
London is improving on a big scale so all of London's things will be new in 2012, and up to Paris' standard, but Paris' things will be older.
London has: Tram, Underground and CTRL extensions by 2012. Also has a proposed monorail, yet few plans or images have been released. London Olympics will be the most compact games ever, and will be in the Lea Valley with nightly concerts in Hyde Park. Also one of the most scenicly varied games.

The fight will be between Paris and Madrid. Moscow is an enourmous city which has some important lacks according to the IOC. New York has the problem of 11-S and since they were told about the problems of their project they have just copied the project of Madrid/Paris (both are very similar). London will find some disadvantages with this new problem of corruption.

We all know that the best mark was given to Paris, but Madrid was very close.

On the aother hand, there are no Latinamerican cities, so it will be absolutely normal if their votes go to Madrid, a city where its own language is spoken.

Good lack to everyone

Now that the corruption has been exposed it's has far less chance of playing a part in who wins.

Citizen - How will London be at a disadvantage with this new problem of corruption???? There has been no wrong doing by London whatsoever - it was the BBC in a Panorama documentary that went under cover to show that IOC members were buying votes...not London - please people get your facts right.......it doesn't look good on yourself when you start accusatioins when it was not corruption in the London bid....but corruption of the IOC!!!

my dear nick, really i don't know what te results are going to be for this process...but u seem to be very concerned about how the london bid is doing...And somehow it makes me think of all the troubles and the buzz about the london bid...too much noise..

look at paris and madrid...as smart students they have a head down attitude and they work on their bid...

A city bid doesn't have to be all over the place to convince anyone...

Don't automatically count on the Latin-American vote for Madrid. Paris has close ties to many Latin American nations (Portuguese is not spoken in Madrid, but France shares a border with Brazil thanks to La Guyane) and has had much better relations with latin american progressives for the past 50 years than Spain. Check last year at the security council about Irak: Mexico and Chile voted against the US alongside France while Spain was alone following Washington (and thus proved that she had no leadership position in Latin America).

Iraq shouldn't play any part in where the games go, if it does the country in question should loose their vote.

my dear nick, really i don't know what te results are going to be for this process...but u seem to be very concerned about how the london bid is doing...And somehow it makes me think of all the troubles and the buzz about the london bid...too much noise..

look at paris and madrid...as smart students they have a head down attitude and they work on their bid...

A city bid doesn't have to be all over the place to convince anyone...LOL - I dunno about you, but unless you didn't notice......I'm not actually a part of the London Olympic bid team :laugh:

London is doing well as it is - I suspect that it will pull through in the end though :yes:

yeah...i hope you will be next to me to toast at london's success at the announcement of the winner in less than one year :)

I was not arguing that Iraq will play a role but I was using the Iraq example to show that Spain has no leadership position in Latin America, of which you might conclude that the Latin American vote will not automaticaly go to Madrid.

I was not arguing that Iraq will play a role but I was using the Iraq example to show that Spain has no leadership position in Latin America, of which you might conclude that the Latin American vote will not automaticaly go to Madrid.

agree. :)

I was not arguing that Iraq will play a role but I was using the Iraq example to show that Spain has no leadership position in Latin America, of which you might conclude that the Latin American vote will not automaticaly go to Madrid.
not agree

Paris, just like London, it has everything it needs to host them. And we didn't had them for about quiet some time.
USA had them recently in Atlanta, Spain in Barcelona.

http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1092069941

Don't automatically count on the Latin-American vote for Madrid. Paris has close ties to many Latin American nations (Portuguese is not spoken in Madrid, but France shares a border with Brazil thanks to La Guyane) and has had much better relations with latin american progressives for the past 50 years than Spain. Check last year at the security council about Irak: Mexico and Chile voted against the US alongside France while Spain was alone following Washington (and thus proved that she had no leadership position in Latin America).

OK, suppose us that Spain doesn't have a leadership position in Latin America!! But, really, do you think that France has a leadership position in Brazil thanks to la Guyane?? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think that you don't know very well about you're speaking: the Convention of the most important cities in Latin America they have already signed a letter to support the spanish candidature face theirs owns IOCs!!

Madrid must to host the Olimpic Games because it's the only city that never host them (with New York, but in USA they have been in Atlanta and in Salt Lake City). The others cities they have already hosted the Olimpic Games (for Paris would be the third time).

Madrid is a wonderful city and the spanish people, like we have shold you in Barcelona (they were the best Olimpic Games in the History and the most spectacular), we are good organizating events. Madrid would be the best choice, if it hosted the Olimpic Games all the city would be a big party!!

well, if Juan Antonio Samaranch still be as IOC president we didn't have a scandal in SLC.

This story make a good chance for Moscow.

benmabillon, I have not said that the Latinamerican vote will automatically go to Spain. What I was trying to say is that it´s normal that Spain have some advantages among the other candidates. Most Latinamerican people prefer Madrid for 2012 Olympics as well as Barcelona got 1992 Olympics thanks to the Latinamerican vote. Nothing to do with politicians or economy: a simple matter of language and culture.

But I don´t mean Spanish hegemony in Latinamerica or things like that.

And another thing: I perfectly know that in Brazil the language spoken is Portuguese, but I think that you don´t know that the foreign language most spoken in Brazil is Spanish, and of course, if even they don´t know Spanish, it´s easier for Brazilians understand Spanish that French.

And don´t get angry, these are only arguments, never personal attacks.

I hoped for the 2012 Olympics to be in Istanbul, seeing as they will host the Champions Leauge final, and the F1 Grand Prix, and succesfully hosted the Eurovision Song contest. (There is also a Turkish rally...)

But seeing as it wasn't meant to be, I'm gonna go for Moscow, just to be different.:)

There are few Latin-American members in the IOC, for example, there are more members of the commonwealth

Dear Citizen, Barcelona got the 1992 Olympics not because of the "latin American vote" but because the "relentless" pressure of the IOC president Samaranch, who is Catalan (and by the way Catalans are not very interested in castillan-speaking Latin America)...This was very unethical and has not been forgotten in the Olympic world. It already has two consequences: 1st it is bad for today's candidacy by Madrid (twice Spain in 20 years is too much, and the 1st time is still disconforting); 2d it is bad for the hopes of Brussels in 2016 for the Belgian President of the IOC Jacques Rogge will still be in charge and people will be afraid to let a Belgian city win for it would look again like the "coup" by Samaranch in 1992 (and then countries would try in the future to get an IOC president elected not on objective grounds but in order to help themselves get a city elected).
So I think Madrid 2012 still has to confront the consequences of Barcelona 1992.

Of course benmabillon, there were no free votes for Barcelona 92, they only got the Olympics due to the Samarach pressures in the IOC: you cannot believe what you are saying.

Another thing: you do know that Barcelona held one of the better Olympics in history, and evevybody remember that, so don´t be jealous, please.

And let me tell you that you should be only one who thinks that "Catalans are not very interested in castillan-speaking Latin America": there are more latinamerican people in Barcelona that in Madrid, so maybe there was "some" interest.

Of course benmabillon, there were no free votes for Barcelona 92, they only got the Olympics due to the Samarach pressures in the IOC: you cannot believe what you are saying.

Another thing: you do know that Barcelona held one of the better Olympics in history, and evevybody remember that, so don´t be jealous, please.

And let me tell you that you should be only one who thinks that "Catalans are not very interested in castillan-speaking Latin America": there are more latinamerican people in Barcelona that in Madrid, so maybe there was "some" interest.
What are u talking about man? I live near Barcelona and i can say that there are more latinamerican people in madrid that in Barcelona. I can see you haven't been to madrid recently.

So I think Madrid 2012 still has to confront the consequences of Barcelona 1992.

Yes, and the consequences can't be better!! I would like to explain you that on the candidature of Barcelona they have not only worked the city and the regional govermment(that they have made it), it was too the central govermment behind, and the three administrations they have made an incredible job, only exceeded by Sidney!!

So, the spanish we are very proud of the Olimpic Games in Barcelona and we are prepared to improve them!!

I live in Madrid since 2002. Before´I´ve been living in Barcelona for 4 years. I know perfectly what I´m talking about "man"...

Neither Moscow nor New York. hopefully Madrid, but I will also be extremely glad if either Paris or London win.

Russia is poor and backwards to host the games. The U.S. has hosted far too many games, plus they are a hateful nation. The games have to be held in teh E.U. hopefully Madrid.

Damn you guys! Russia is not poor! Especially Moscow!

Well you can't really say here because there might be loads of people from the US but no1 from Russia.

Id obviously like to see London host it, I think it will be between London and Paris.
I wouldnt like to see NY host it- its just not the city for it. They could of at least chosen a city which needed the re-generation.
On the NY site it says the venues would be on river and rail routes. Rail fine. RIVER! Is that a joke? I mean river is fine, but thats really bad transport. Why not put it on subway?

ilike to moscow to win because they gonna build some cool stuff and bu 2012 there will be skyline.

I'll go for NYC, they have never had any Olympics.

Well you can't really say here because there might be loads of people from the US but no1 from Russia.

Id obviously like to see London host it, I think it will be between London and Paris.
I wouldnt like to see NY host it- its just not the city for it. They could of at least chosen a city which needed the re-generation.
On the NY site it says the venues would be on river and rail routes. Rail fine. RIVER! Is that a joke? I mean river is fine, but thats really bad transport. Why not put it on subway?
NY subway as olympic transport? :hilarious

I live in Madrid since 2002. Before´I´ve been living in Barcelona for 4 years. I know perfectly what I´m talking about "man"...
So... you're blind

A ver Randy, ke vivo en Sarriá y lo veo todos los dias... no me trates como si fuese un turista ignorante. En Barcelona hay más en porcentaje que en Madrid, pero en valor absoluto hay más en Madrid, pero porque hay el doble de habitantes. Métete en el INE, saldrías de dudas.

Bueno de todas formas no creo que en Serrià haya muchos... Pues yo siempre que voy a Madrid veo un monton de sudamericanos... Y el metro esta lleno... Y a mi me da mas impresion de que hay mas sudamericanos en Mad que en Bcn... no se alomejor es una idea equivocada pero ya te digo que es lo que me parece a mi... ( y a bcn voy bastante pk vivo a 3/4 de hora.

Why vote Madrid? Spain got an Olympics like 12 years ago in Barcelona...

Reasons for voting Madrid:
First: from 1992 to 2012 last 20 years, not 12
Second: How much last from LA 84 to Atlanta 96??? Only 12 years... Why USA can and Spain not??? Are there different categories of countries or something like that???
Third: the only big capital of Western Europe which has never held Olympics in history.
Fourth: It has had the second best match (only after Paris) according to the rules of the IOC.
Fifth: Paris has held twice the Olympic games.

GO MADRID!!!

Fifth: Paris has held twice the Olympic games.

GO MADRID!!!

1926 last time Paris hosts the games

I orignially wanted Istanbul to win... but hey, so my vote goes to Moscow becvause they need to show the world what they have now that the curtain is down.
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i am an AVID new york supporter, but it would be a great chance for Madrid or Moscow, cities that are not as famous as London, Paris, or NYC, to bloom in fame with help from the olympics. also, Athens used to be city with an antique-look (which i LOVE), but with the olympic stadiums and redevelopments and remodelling, Athens was able to emerge as a city witha nice blend of old and new.

plus, i am gonna be in college in 2012. that means i can't volunteer!

I pick London dunno why but I thought Rio was in the running as that would of been my pic. Anybody have any ideas which Australian city would host the Olympics next in a few decades or so?

excuse me while I yawn. I really don't care which city gets to host the olympics. It's not that big of a deal. Well for some people it's a big deal. I hear the Chinese are getting ridiculously excited about it. Ask yourself this question. How does the olympics help the host city/ country in the long term? it doesn't!

Yes there's a lot of excitement and money that gets created during the games but once it's over everybody forgets about it pretty quickly and the host city is stuck with a bunch of massively expensive infrastructure projects that served a purpose during the games but afterwards it becomes a white elephant.

Take for example a bobsledding track that will be needed for the winter olympics. Who's going to use a bobsledding track after the games are over? Anyways while the olympics causes more trouble then good from an economic perspective it's still fun to watch. :)

!! New York !!

..::New York::..

Love NYC but USA again please they take home enough gold and screen time with out hosting the games as well !
And Australia is a long time of hosting the game again maybe New Zealand before we get them again

excuse me while I yawn. I really don't care which city gets to host the olympics. It's not that big of a deal. Well for some people it's a big deal. I hear the Chinese are getting ridiculously excited about it. Ask yourself this question. How does the olympics help the host city/ country in the long term? it doesn't!

Yes there's a lot of excitement and money that gets created during the games but once it's over everybody forgets about it pretty quickly and the host city is stuck with a bunch of massively expensive infrastructure projects that served a purpose during the games but afterwards it becomes a white elephant.

Take for example a bobsledding track that will be needed for the winter olympics. Who's going to use a bobsledding track after the games are over? Anyways while the olympics causes more trouble then good from an economic perspective it's still fun to watch. :)

Well, obviously you haven't lived in a city while it was hosting the Olympics...it is an absolutely incredible experience - perhaps one of the greatest experiences of my life. The energy and excitment in the city is palpable while it is happening and the actual build-up to the event before the games is just as good, lasting for the 7 years.

I have vivid memories of when I was 12 and the Sydney Olympics were announced in 1993, and how excellent it was watching all the infrastructure and building projects under construction in the lead-up to the actual event.

It was also somewhat depressing after the Games were over.

The after-effects of the games are hard to quantify because there isnt really a way to measure what impact the coverage has had on people around the world, but more tangible effects I can note are the enormous urban renewal and redevelopment projects that have been going on in Sydney around the Olympic Park area since the games, revitalising a huge part of the metro area. :)

Love NYC but USA again please they take home enough gold and screen time with out hosting the games as well !
And Australia is a long time of hosting the game again maybe New Zealand before we get them again

Yeah, I'd love to see the Winter Olympics hosted in Queenstown!! :yes:

New york of course!

New York 2012 !!!

I was just joking, of course Spain isn't a poor country (to me it' rather one of the most dynamic one in Europe) and i've already been in Barcelona which is really a great city.
be confident I love Spain ! :cheers1:

europe = one nation


@ gun57
Un bien curieux et douteux sens de l’humour… pas étonnant que tu te prennes la tête avec certains « britons » comme tu dis.

Rich or poor, spaniards on this forum have no sense of humour and tend to be rude very quickly. On dit aussi susceptibles, ombrageux...


@ benmabillon
En voilà encore un qui a une bien curieuse idée du sens de l’humour. Pas étonnant qu’on dise que certains français on… comment dit-on déjà… une grosse gueule ?!...
:D

[QUOTE=Landos]Frankly, I think they should make Greece the permanent home of the Summer Olympic Games. Then they can rotate the winter games, which cost much less, around the world. Greece is going to show the world what the Olympics is all about and they should reside there after the Beijing games in 2008.

why? The whole spirit is keeping the flame alive throughout the world, and it staying in Greece simply wouldnt be right, anyway, I think China will be a better Olympics, and London will better that in 2012 if we can get it

Dear Citizen, Barcelona got the 1992 Olympics not because of the "latin American vote" but because the "relentless" pressure of the IOC president Samaranch, who is Catalan (and by the way Catalans are not very interested in castillan-speaking Latin America)...This was very unethical and has not been forgotten in the Olympic world. It already has two consequences: 1st it is bad for today's candidacy by Madrid (twice Spain in 20 years is too much, and the 1st time is still disconforting); 2d it is bad for the hopes of Brussels in 2016 for the Belgian President of the IOC Jacques Rogge will still be in charge and people will be afraid to let a Belgian city win for it would look again like the "coup" by Samaranch in 1992 (and then countries would try in the future to get an IOC president elected not on objective grounds but in order to help themselves get a city elected).
So I think Madrid 2012 still has to confront the consequences of Barcelona 1992.


@benmabillon
Et qui de toute évidence ne sait même pas de quoi il parle… :ohno:

Yeah, I'd love to see the Winter Olympics hosted in Queenstown!! :yes:

Yeah! A winter Olympics held in Queenstown, New Zealand would be awesome. I would certainly be there, but I doubt it would ever happen. The South Island has many fantastic ski fields, probably the best in the southern hemisphere. Many skiers move to the New Zealand south island for the northern hemisphere summer (winter down south then), but I think it simply is too small compared to northern standards. Then again you never know. Auckland has hosted the Americas Cup twice with great success.

New York 2012 !!!





1. Moscow
2. Madrid
3. London
4. Paris
5. New York

:sly:

New York City!!!!

i like paris

Moscow!!!

NYC because next Olympiad will be beyond Europ and Asia

1- Madrid
2- Paris
3- New York
4- London
5- Moscow

In fact, I think that nowadays, Madrid is the most prepared of them all. And it´s the only city in Europe that has never organised Oympic Games.

232 Days
until The 117th IOC Session!

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Singapore To Host 2005 IOC Session

Singapore will be hosting the 117th IOC Session to be held from 2 to 10 July 2005. It will be yet another meeting for sports' bigwigs. For that will be when and where the host city of the 2012 Summer Olympic Games will be announced. Which means that, as the world waits for this major announcement, the Lion City will take centre stage.

For it has been estimated that some 1,000 media personnel from around the world will come here to cover this meeting.

The candidate cities that have been short-listed to compete to host the 2012 Summer Olympic Games include Paris (FRA) New York (USA) Moscow (RUS) London (GBR) and Madrid (ESP).

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The choice of Singapore is hardly surprising. It offers world class hotels, an extensive range of state-of-the-art facilities; modern communication networks; the world's best airport with excellent air links; a top-notch convention centre that can accommodate thousands of delegates and a pool of trained convention manpower.

As to why Singapore is playing host for this meeting, a statement says, "Singapore hopes that by having the privilege and honour to host the session, it will further contribute towards the Olympic movement and emphasize the aspects of arts, culture and education as an all-rounded Olympic ideal."

Event : The 117th IOC Session

Date : 2 to 10 July 2005

Venue : Raffles City Convention Centre

Leading The Way : Under the leadership of the IOC, the Singapore Organising Committee is being formed to look into the programme as well as the technical, logistic and security matters of the international session.

Ready To Serve : The Committee will comprise representatives from the major organisations and government agencies. They include the Singapore National Olympic Council, the Singapore Sports Council, the Ministry of Community Development and Sports, the Singapore Tourism Board, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Singapore Police Force, Singapore Immigration and Registration, and Singapore Customs & Excise.

Look Out For : IOC Members, Presidents, Secretary-Generals, senior
officials of National Olympic Committees and International Federations and
sponsors.

Five Cities To Compete To Host The 2012 Olympic Games

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) Executive Board has short listed five cities to compete to host the 2012 Olympic Games.


Paris (FRA) New York (USA) Moscow (RUS) London (GBR) Madrid (ESP)

Evaluation Commission (EC)

Eleven Members of the EC have been appointed to visit five candidate cities to host the 2012 Olympic Games.

The chairperson of the commission is Nawal El MOUTAWAKEL (MAR). Members include : Ser Miang NG (SIN), Els van BREDA VRIESMAN (NED), Paul HENDERSON (CAN), Patrick JARVIS (CAN), Mustapha LARFAOUI (ALG), José Luis MARCO (ARG), and Sam RAMSAMY (RSA); and experts: Simon BALDERSTONE (AUS), Philippe BOVY (SUI)and Bob ELPHINlSTON (AUS).

About Singapore

Singapore is not just one island but a main island with 63 surrounding islets. The main island has a total landarea of 682 square km.

However, its compact size belies its economic growth. In just 150 years, has grown into a thriving centre of commerce and industry. Its former role as an entrepot has diminished, as the Republic has increased its manufacturing base.
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I'm voting for Paris 2012. It's very long overdue.

My reasons:

New York City (No) - I don't care that 9/11 occurred there. Get over it. The US hosted it in 1996 already. If the games has to go to the Americas, it should be Canada, Mexico or Brazil.

London (No) - London is dull, Poms are boring, what more can I say?

Moscow (No) - Can the Russians afford it? The place is damn cold anyway and they've just hosted it in 1980.

Madrid (No) - Just hosted the game in 1992. Seems abit unfair that Madrid hosts 2 out of 3 Games in Europe.

Paris (Yes) - French fair, elegance, history and charm is a perfect concoction for a successful game. It's about time that France is back into the limelight againg. Afterall, it's been nearly 100 years since France's last Olympic Games.

Woah ohkay stereotype much?

I'm voting from Madrid, is the best city of the word and have the right to have the games, the others cities are important enought also without 2012 Olympic Games!

I don't know that much about Madrid but tell me why so many people are rooting for Madrid?

LOL Darjole, I'm Australian and I find English accent to be very annoying. Hahaha

I must say I do like the Russian olympic logo

And the australian accent isnt annoying?!?! ;)

Im suprised with the Madrid bid. Especially as Barcelona were hosts not long ago in 1992, just 3 olympics ago. Its not like Spain is a huge subcontinent of a country!

The short list is a bit predictable but the Olympics commitee are very concerened about the financial burden of the games. Instead of restricting the olympics to certain rich areas of the world perhaps they should start to look as to why the games costs have spiralled. Get back to the core of the olympics. Or is spiralling costs inevitable?

One word about London is that although it has held it twice, 1908 and 1948, I feel that London took a great burden in hosting the 1948 games as no one else wanted to host it. Interestingly not many new structures were built and the atheletes stayed in schools and barracks and even supplied their own food! Perhaps this could be an idea for a new streamlined olympics!!

The London 2012 bid is heavily integrated with the regeneration of a very neglected part of London, close to some of the poorest areas of the UK. The areas around the proposed sight have housed the poor since the spread of London during the industrial revolution and before. With the entire state built on ex-industrial land it will be a great boost to the natural environment too.

If the London bid wins it should provide for a very interesting experiment in urban regeneration that, whether it works or not, the knowledge gained will benefit cities all around the world.

Although the current discussions deal with the city that offers best conditions for the summer olympics of 2012, some other cities are willing to host the 2016 games, like Lisbon (Portugal).

At a first glance, would you back Lisbon in its bid?

http://www.mooresmopars.com/Portugal/Day%208/images/06a%20-%20Many%20countries%20flags%20at%20Expo98%20-%20Lisbon.jpg

As an asian, I think its better for cities in other continents to be in the olympic spirit.
For 2012, there is a chance that europe or americas has the chance to host.
so it would be best for either asia or africa cities to host. maybe a ASEAN co-host bid from, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam and Philipines.
or from south africa/india bid

i agree with africa but asia will host the 2008:)

My reasons:

New York City (No) - I don't care that 9/11 occurred there. Get over it. The US hosted it in 1996 already. If the games has to go to the Americas, it should be Canada, Mexico or Brazil.

London (No) - London is dull, Poms are boring, what more can I say?

Moscow (No) - Can the Russians afford it? The place is damn cold anyway and they've just hosted it in 1980.

Madrid (No) - Just hosted the game in 1992. Seems abit unfair that Madrid hosts 2 out of 3 Games in Europe.

Paris (Yes) - French fair, elegance, history and charm is a perfect concoction for a successful game. It's about time that France is back into the limelight againg. Afterall, it's been nearly 100 years since France's last Olympic Games.


i can say that you are totally convinced me. Before i read your thread i was undecided. I think you are speaking logically. However i like the logos of New York and London

Im suprised with the Madrid bid. Especially as Barcelona were hosts not long ago in 1992, just 3 olympics ago. Its not like Spain is a huge subcontinent of a country!

The short list is a bit predictable but the Olympics commitee are very concerened about the financial burden of the games. Instead of restricting the olympics to certain rich areas of the world perhaps they should start to look as to why the games costs have spiralled. Get back to the core of the olympics. Or is spiralling costs inevitable?

One word about London is that although it has held it twice, 1908 and 1948, I feel that London took a great burden in hosting the 1948 games as no one else wanted to host it. Interestingly not many new structures were built and the atheletes stayed in schools and barracks and even supplied their own food! Perhaps this could be an idea for a new streamlined olympics!!

The London 2012 bid is heavily integrated with the regeneration of a very neglected part of London, close to some of the poorest areas of the UK. The areas around the proposed sight have housed the poor since the spread of London during the industrial revolution and before. With the entire state built on ex-industrial land it will be a great boost to the natural environment too.

If the London bid wins it should provide for a very interesting experiment in urban regeneration that, whether it works or not, the knowledge gained will benefit cities all around the world.

Yea right. Vote for the poor Londoners please as London and UK suffers a lot from hunger and financial problems. At list if London gets the Olympics poor people will not starve at list in that area as if the other cities does not have poor people (look New York).
Why to bother with aid in Africa. Vote for London 2012 the alternative way of aiding. hahahaha

come on people stop being so stupid!! LONDON LONDON LONDON ALL THE WAY

No.

Buenos Aires for 2016:)

I think neither Africa nor South America (with the exception of maybe Brazil) can afford or has the ability to host the Olympic games. The 2016 Games should go to either Japan, South East Asia (joint bid and share burden), South Korea, India, Canada, Mexico or Italy.

I think neither Africa nor South America (with the exception of maybe Brazil) can afford or has the ability to host the Olympic games. The 2016 Games should go to either Japan, South East Asia (joint bid and share burden), South Korea, India, Canada, Mexico or Italy.

agree :)

"I think neither Africa nor South America (with the exception of maybe Brazil) can afford or has the ability to host the Olympic games. The 2016 Games should go to either Japan, South East Asia (joint bid and share burden), South Korea, India, Canada, Mexico or Italy."


WHAT abosolute B/S have you been to South Africa or South America??? Surely your commments are based on who knows what. Perhaps next time it would be wiser to do your research before making such clearly ridiculous and most embarassingto yourself statements.

Cape Town can certainly host and afford to host the Games where have you been and will most likely host the games in 2020 or after a South America games but having visited both Rio and Cape Town, Rio would need to improve on their bid for 2012 in which they were not succesful and Either Toronton or Buenos Aires should host the 2016 Games. It still amazes me the level of ignorance people have about Africa, and how they stick by their silly and far fetched comments when they certainly dont know what the hell they are talking about...

LOL shame

I must say I do like the Russian olympic logo

I think the Moscow logo looks like a big "No" :lol:

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Vinaboyz you are either an ape or just extremely simple, you logic is crass and leaves much to be desired :ohno:
And at least the city that wins the 2012 bid can say it done it in a fair way, without the need for bribs, can Sydney say the same :no:

And hci999 why bring aid to Africa into your silly little argument?? We give loads of aid to Africa and other poor nations, what has that got to do with London bidding for the 2012 Olympics??

Madrid. It,s the best city

We didn't bribe anybody did we? We simply just gave them some money and gifts out of sympathy for the poverty in Africa. Muahahahaa

Well lets face facts it wont be Madrid as much as it boast an excellent feel for an Olympic Games and in my opinion has the right cards to host the Games, when up against Paris who feel that they deserve the games and London who needs to show that they can host the Games after some events we are all aware of as well as New York's "feel sorry for us we survived a terrorist attack" Madrid although prob overall strong in terms of technical ability to host games we all know that IOC members certainly dont just go by that as an indicator.

As we all know certain IOC members have already made up their mind:

The South African member: "Well, france did not support South Africa when bidding for 2010 SWC but London did, and well dont know much about Madrid, too close to Barcelona, how greedy would that be, well Moscow and New York, well too many terrorist attacks and well i would be to scared to watch any events..."

The South America member : "Madrid but Barcelona had 1992 thats too many times for Spain, USA well we want to host the 2016 games this wont helpy us too much but maybe it could??... Paris well thats a nice place, lots of venues completed and the "favourite" (well i dont wanna look stupid) so PAris gets my vote, Moscow no shame those poor people in those bomb attacks...London mmm too cold"

The Australian Member: "Well Madrid... Barcelona 1992 so sorry mate, Moscow well us Australians hate violence so not Moscow, PAris maybe but we much closer to New York and the war on terror, as we did suport USA's war on Iraq and the US did a lot for Australia... So New York, London well they did starts Australia as we know it, but USA can do more for us..."

The Asian member: " Well, London techinically a good city but cold and needs to have more sustainable venues, oh and they withdrew from hosting the Atheltics Champs (not a good sign), Paris now they have class and venues are superb and the games concepts is excellent, New York could be very dangerous in 7 years we dont know what could happen, the games might have to be moved and that will cause lots of trouble if there are terror attacks and what a terrible thing happened in Atlanta, well we dont like them anyway, Moscow, too close too home and not too good to support, Madrid, no Barcelona had its turn in 1992... "

Although many of you would disagree with me, IOC members some not all certainly do base their votes on geopolitics and when it comes down to the last two which i suspect will be London and Paris, the winner will be the one with the closest realtionship to New YOrk or Madrid which ever city placed third. This is how i see how the voting will take place (apologies for the poor sentence structure)
This is one scenario...
London wins bid to host the 2012 Olympic Games

Singapore, 10 July 2005

The city of London has been chosen by the IOC members to host the 2012 Summer Games after epic and controversial rounds of voting. Moscow was first to go gaining only a few votes, that of the Russian IOC members and a few other members and their dreams of hosting the Olympic Games in 2012 or soon crashed right before them. The next city to go would be where the Olympic Games would be decided in Round One Paris led London by 11 votes followed by New York, 22 votes behind and Madrid 6 behind New York. The next round saw Madrid fail to catch up on the 6 votes and their dream of two Spanish Games in 20 years came crashing as most suspected it would, the Russian voters in Round 2 opted for a split between London, Paris and Madrid who shared Moscows compact and functional games idea with one changing their vote from Moscow to New York.

In round three many would say the 2012 hosts were decided. Marids exit sees Paris suprisinglu decrease their lead over London from 13 to 8 votes but Paris stays in the lead. New York crashes out and managed to gain third place following a good and solid presentation to the IOC, Assuming 107 IOC members, Paris 48 London 40 New York 19. At this stage it seems as if Paris have grabbed the games... BUT New York voters (i.e. thos who voted New York) decides who wins....

Round Five

New York voters under instruction from Bush to vote for London the US members of IOC vote for London and so do the others e.g. Australia/OCeania IOC members who are closely linked to London through COmmonwealth ties... a few South Americans who voted for Paris but realise support for London could get them support from US for 2016 games,, and some others.. SO
The New YOrk voters give London 15 votes and Paris 4 votes. Thus London wins in final round 55 -52 against Paris.


This is simply a scenario, in all honesty i think Paris will win, want London to win, think Madrid on technical merits should win and New York should win on sympathy... BUT PARIS WILL DEF WIN,nothing we can do Vinaboyz (member who posted above) gives the basic reasons why this could be extended upon but overall tells the truth....

nooooo!!!! i want Madrid to get the Olympics!!!!! the best city of the worldddddd!!!!!!!!!! OlÉ!!!! hehehehe

I don't think London will bag the game for 2012. Definitely Paris.

LOGOS SCORES ( taking into account functionality,creativity, suitability, apprapriateness for the modern world in 2012, easy on the eyes, and does it makes send to the average person, e.g. dont put your national bird as a logo which nobody not even locals know what it is...etc.) Also the logo is a brand and people should want to associate with it, so it should shout "PARIS" or "NY" etc. we shud know which bid city that is, by the graphic. As Mr. Bean would say it would be important for it to be large so that people know which city it is lol

You will prob all disagree but
/20 ask urself is the name of the city large or not, dont hide away the city name!!
/30 ask urself what the logo means, e.g. statue of liberty scores high it says USA and NYC
/30 does it stand out??? Paris muliticoloured is fine but u kinda cant read what it says too many colours sometimes plane black of London is bold and stand out and so does NYC with its colourful but not over colourful graphic, also the heart between the "S" and "2" is too subtle and no picture makes one think parisians are just about love???
/20 class?? own opinion?? look like a kids picture? its nice to be colourful but class and simplistic lines are NB like Barcelona and Sydney

LONDON 19 + 21 + 25 + 18 83/100
NEW YORK 14 + 28 + 27 + 14 83/100
PARIS 16.5 + 24 + 22 + 15 77.5/100
MOSCOW 10 + 16 + 24 + 14 64/100
MADRID 11 + 19 + 21 + 16 68/100


SO a toss up between NYC and London u decide!!! see the new poll to vote

Mo rush , a lot of what you write is confusing , and it's not really easy to know which city you support, and where do u come from with your logic...but anyway there is a profesional site that calculate with many criterias the chance of each city to host the games, it's Gamebids.com, this is their latest ranking, they call it the BidIndex, this one was updated some days ago.


BidIndex 2012
LON 61.08
MAD 61.91
MOS 50.28
NYC 58.89
PAR 66.51

http://www.gamesbids.com/english/index.shtml

I don't know that much about Madrid but tell me why so many people are rooting for Madrid?

LOL Darjole, I'm Australian and I find English accent to be very annoying. Hahaha

Its really very simple.It doesnt make sense that one of the greatest cities on earth has not yet staged the games.And Spain has only staged it once,while smaller countries population wise such as Australia have already staged it twice.And thats nothing against Australia as i live in Melbourne and absolutely love it.But facts are facts.
Madrid has one of the best infrastructures in the world.Its public transportation system is absolutely fantastic.It has an underground metro with well over 200 stations with a population of 6 million.Its metro(underground) is slightly more extended then Paris which has close to double that population.Its suburban train network is also very extensive.
Madrids bus network is also great with a nightbus service thats probably more plentiful and extensive then any other city in the world.It has more than 16,000 taxis compared to Paris 10,000.
It has some of the greatest stadiums in the world e.g Santiago Bernabeu(Real Madrid).
And though some of the other cities which i have seen have some impressive propositions,Madrid doesnt have to envy any of them.
So go Madrid...........All the way. :)

London

nyc should win .........

kony i know a lot of what i say is confusing.... lol
but i think just read through it again maybe... or not??
Well i support London 2012
i think Paris will win though
i think madrid has the best bid

read carefully these three things have different meanings

oh and i know bout gamesbids and the index, i think it needs to be more transparent though and should be updated much more often giving reasons for the major changesif any, i got forums bout cape town on gamesbids, general olympic discussion

Rongen i fully agree with you and as i said marid has the best bid and is technically the best to host the games but barcelona 1992 will ensure that madrid does not win, actually madrid in south africa when a survey was conducted using students came tops...

i wud be happy with madrid winning but sadly we have to face it they wont, paris will...i am all for madrid but too soon, already europe has 1992 2004 and 2012 (most likely) 2 out of three cant go to spain, its pure geo politics.....



it cant go

if Madrid win, it will be cool , but at the same time a small country like spain cannot really be given the game twice in a short period when other European countries like , say Italy or Portugal, who also have great cities didn't even have the chance to make a shortlist (i know Portugal didn't apply for 2012 but it could have).

I don't know about NYC, do NYC really need the Olympics anyway ? Anyway i will still prefer NYC to have it over London.

London ? well, exciting bid apparently , but can we overpass paris which have been very persistent (3rd bid since 1992) in its willing to get the SOC, when London just came into the Game ?

My choice of heart is Paris anyway ! but I must admit the London and Madrid bids seems a lil' bit more exciting to me...

I know i agree fully although my heart is with London for a few reasons, i know Paris will win and i look forward to a superb games, the paris games need to add some excitement to their bid cause although ur venues are complete u still need to make it exciting and "boast" about venues and make it seem fun,

MY full opinion:

Paris deserves the games
I support London and hope they win
Madrid has the best bid
New York should not even think of hosting
Paris will win the right to host 2012

i just hope that people can realise that Cape Town has a chance for 2016 and an even stronger and huge chance for 2020, some people still think CT does not have roads when its like any other city, lol i actually think CT could have done a better job than greece but dont axe me for saying that

Will Madrid be able to steer away from the deficits that Barcelona had to face after the 92 games?

who knows? but barcelona is a much better city today and the world thinks so highly of it, nobody mentions the deficits!!

The Olympic hosts are always decided by those who supported the 3rd and 4th place cities. With 1996 voting, Melbourne sent lots of votes to Atlants as UK-US ties are good, then Toronto sent 90% of their votes to Atlanta thats why they won, if paris and another euro city was added instead of toronto and melbourne then Athens would have won....


same with 2012 europe will win bid, so i.e. London Paris Madrid,

NYC will give their votes to London and Madrid will send some to both london and madrid, moscows votes will be sent to london mainly, but paris will initially receive majority votes and i suspect they could win it in the second round like Beijing !!!!

Rongen i fully agree with you and as i said marid has the best bid and is technically the best to host the games but barcelona 1992 will ensure that madrid does not win, actually madrid in south africa when a survey was conducted using students came tops...

i wud be happy with madrid winning but sadly we have to face it they wont, paris will...i am all for madrid but too soon, already europe has 1992 2004 and 2012 (most likely) 2 out of three cant go to spain, its pure geo politics.....



it cant go

I hope your wrong and Madrid wins,but i agree that Paris seems to be the city to beat.

Well i hope i am wrong too and either madrid or london wins, it is a bit unfair though for spain to get the games so soon again, you must see the logic in that!!

Mockba

London all the way:)

London has the best proposal in my eyes, but i must admit i haven't seen the latest proposals form the other cities, only the originals.

What i worry about is that if Paris wins the bid on its third time lucky strategy, London may not bid again. The public and government in Britain are hardly comfortable with the cost of the games and if we lose 2012 they common reaction will be that we have wasted millions of pounds trying to get the games and shouldn't repeat the mistake. Even if we did bid again what would the chances be of Europe winning again before at least 2024?

My vote is for Madrid!! of course!!! ;)

I think that above all, what really matters in order for a city to host an olympic venue is the safety it can offer. One tends to select a host city in terms of continent switch or on matters of the heart. Nevertheless, Lisbon offers what any civilized and modern city in the world has, but above all it offers safety for all. Don't forget Portugal is a country that is not hated or persecuted by anyone or any specific international group. Bear that in mind!

Anyone think the scenes at the football in Madrid last night may have an effect on the bid? It doesn't reflect well, but i think its not so widely reported outside England and Spain.

This forum is for me to look at the bid cities below and for you to convince me why i should shortlist your city, i will also see what i can find out about a few cities that i have not been to..

Chile (Announced Chile's NOC President on October 15, 2002)
Busan, South Korea (Busan's Mayor announced on October 2, 2002)
Delhi, India (IOA announced December 27, 2003)
Dubai, United Arab Emirates (According to March 1, 2004 Report)
Hamburg, Germany (According to February 17, 2004 Mayor's Announcement)
Milan, Italy (According to July 11, 2003 NOC communication)
Portugal (GamesBids.com Reports January 7, 2004)
Rotterdam, Netherlands (Under investigation)
St. Petersburg, Russia (According to Vice Governor, December 29, 2003)
St. Paul/Minneapolis, USA (According to August 7, 2003 Report)
Tel Aviv, Israel (conducting feasibility study, admits challenges.)
Thailand (According to September 15, 2004 Report)

Well, my city isn't on there, but Rotterdam is. Where did you read/hear that they were bidding? This is news to me. Either way, I don't really need/want the olympics to be held in my country. Unless its profitable, but you never know that until its too late.

I also think Buenos Aires and Rio de Janeiro should bid so they are added to the list...

If you have any other suggestions add them to the list

This is directly taken fron gamesbids.com

"Bid Status: Not Yet Begun. The IOC will likely begin to collect applications in 2007."

D'oh. Well, give me a call in 3 years :p

Dubai / Thailand / St Peterburg would be nice.

Minneapolis/St. Paul? That's totally different. They won't get it anyway, eh?

St petersburg is the best city for 2016 olympix

Paris Paris Paris
watch the clip...
http://www.ivolutio.com/JO/jo_sponsors_hi.html

Thats the clip i've seen before and it doesn't really show the paris bid well. Its too avant garde.

Bangkok is best

Lisbon, people, obviously Lisbon - Portugal

What a boring video!!!

The Paris one, I know!!! Doesn't really either a) inform me about the bid and b) get me excited about the bid

As I said, DEFINITELY NOT EUROPE OR NORTH AMERICA!!

This friday, 26th of November, the official announcement of Lisbon's 2016 summer games bid will be made by the mayor of the city and the government.

I think neither Africa nor South America (with the exception of maybe Brazil) can afford or has the ability to host the Olympic games. The 2016 Games should go to either Japan, South East Asia (joint bid and share burden), South Korea, India, Canada, Mexico or Italy.
With all due respect, India is not considerably more capable then some of the South American countries in hosting the games, or even South Africa, although I would love to see them host as soon as they do so.

Both South Korea and Japan have already hosted the games in recent memory.

I think South America is capable to host the 2016 games and it is time they get it.
:)

Me thinks so too. Now when will we see it in India, the other ring on the Olympic emblem??? :D

Me thinks so too. Now when will we see it in India, the other ring on the Olympic emblem??? :D

when someone will pay enough bribes then we will get the games! :D :) ;)

i dunno,maybe after 2020/2030..infrastructure will take some time ..but we will have the Commonwealth games in 2010..thats always a start:):D

Commonwealth games in 2010?!?! I didnt know till now! The only thing I knew about that year's event was that Singapore decided not to bid for it at the last min. :lol:

South Africa had put in an excellent bid for the 2004 Games. They finished 3rd behind Rome and Athens and subsequently hosted the World Cup for Cricket.

Argentina is emerging from its financial crisis. It can learn from its failed bid in 2004 to come up with something better for 2016.

Commonwealth games in 2010?!?! I didnt know till now! The only thing I knew about that year's event was that Singapore decided not to bid for it at the last min. :lol:

yeah..2010..it will be intresting to see how Delhi will handle it..6 years left :)

why not to bid?...omg i get a scary fealing that 2010 maybe is a bad year:) :D

yeah..2010..it will be intresting to see how Delhi will handle it..6 years left :)

why not to bid?...omg i get a scary fealing that 2010 maybe is a bad year:) :D
Hahaha...nono dont worry. Its because we are now going to destory our national stadium and rebuild the whole area into a sports hub mah.....I think the whole construction will only finish quite close to 2010, and bec of this, they had to push back the hosting of the SEA games too. Commonwealth could have been just in time, but I suppose they realise we dont have enough sporting talent yet to justify it, despite the support from quite a number of significant countries..including Malaysia next door? :D

Anyway, I dont think they will be bidding for 2014. Not a nice number to us...hahaa. 2018 seems to be very likely thou!

Hahaha...nono dont worry. Its because we are now going to destory our national stadium and rebuild the whole area into a sports hub mah.....I think the whole construction will only finish quite close to 2010, and bec of this, they had to push back the hosting of the SEA games too. Commonwealth could have been just in time, but I suppose they realise we dont have enough sporting talent yet to justify it, despite the support from quite a number of significant countries..including Malaysia next door? :D

Anyway, I dont think they will be bidding for 2014. Not a nice number to us...hahaa. 2018 seems to be very likely thou!

oh:)
that cool...a sport hub:)

Olympic games in SE-asia would be something....:)

Well after a few cities were added and i did some quick research and spoke to some intellectuals who knew a lot about those countries i have decided to shortlist the 14 cities to six
This is purely on a techincal basis

Minneapolis
Lisbon
Milan
Hamburg
Buenos Aires
St Petersburg

Polling forum will open soon

Techincal rating:

Minneapolis 7.6/10
Lisbon 8.1/10
Milan 7.4/10
Hamburg 7.9/10
Buenos Aires 7.3/10
St Petersburg 6.4/10

who puts the bids in for a city? the city council? the state/country government?

who puts the bids in for a city? the city council? the state/country government?

The national Olympic Committee of the bidding city. For example Sydney's bid for the 2000 Olympics was put in by the Australian Olympic Committee and it was the same organisation that lodged failed bids for Brisbane 92 and Melbourne 96.

so if Brisbane wanted to put in a bid ... who makes the initial decision. Does the lord mayor/council approach the AOC or the other way around.

why did you knock dubai off the list?
they are building a massive modern olympic style sports city there regardless of the games coming or not, should be completed by 2008.

Techinical rating includes lots more than stadiums see IOC technical inspection breakdown to see what is included, e,g. geo politics, transport, past experience, accomodation and many others dubai just missed out and please dont take this seriously ihave shortlisten those based on what i know and what i have been told and i cud be totally wrong ..

This forum is for me to look at the bid cities below and for you to convince me why i should shortlist your city, i will also see what i can find out about a few cities that i have not been to..

Chile (Announced Chile's NOC President on October 15, 2002)
Busan, South Korea (Busan's Mayor announced on October 2, 2002)
Delhi, India (IOA announced December 27, 2003)
Dubai, United Arab Emirates (According to March 1, 2004 Report)
Hamburg, Germany (According to February 17, 2004 Mayor's Announcement)
Milan, Italy (According to July 11, 2003 NOC communication)
Portugal (GamesBids.com Reports January 7, 2004)
Rotterdam, Netherlands (Under investigation)
St. Petersburg, Russia (According to Vice Governor, December 29, 2003)
St. Paul/Minneapolis, USA (According to August 7, 2003 Report)
Tel Aviv, Israel (conducting feasibility study, admits challenges.)
Thailand (According to September 15, 2004 Report)

I like this list because its really alot of places you wouldn't expect the Olympics to be, especially lately with Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Beijing and what will probably be New York or London. Heres who I think has a chance:

Delhia, India: The worlds 2nd most populous conntry, never an olympics held. I would love to see the games in such a foreign place then ive seen lately.

Dubai, UAE: Now this i think has a good chance of running. With about a decade to go before the games are., can you just imagine what Dubai will have by then? Already a popular tourist desination, and building the worlds 2 largest man-made islands, its one of the fastest growing.

Rotterdam, NL: This, being the worlds largest port, might fit very well. Its certainly a great city as ive read, and it could show a very interesting Olympics.

Tel Aviv, Isreal: This is one of the trickest, but my favorite. If anything, poeple should see this as a chance to make amends and start building peace. The entire middle east can get on this deal with help from the rest of the world. Kinda like taking on a huge project with many complications.

Other cities that should run: Rio De Jeniero, Cape Town (first African city to host olympics), Kulala Lumpar, Tapei, Shanghai(doubtful to win though with beijing), Wellington, Las Vegas, Toronto.

If 2012 goes to Europe none of those cities will have a chance, they've got to bring them to other continents. Just imagine, 2004, 2012 and 2016 in Europe, not probable.

Don't forget the 2006 Winter Olympics in Torino, Italy ;)

BID INDEX EARLY RESULTS /70

Minneapolis 62.6
Lisbon 64.89
Milan 60.46
Hamburg 64.36
Buenos Aires 66.25
St Petersburg 55.69

Busan?? I dont think we have any chance of getting 2016 olympic.

Hamburg would be good. You could win gold and pull at the same time - lol It certainly isn't Salt Lake City.

Buenos Aires would be a long overdue choice as well. They're still bitter at Melbourne over the 56 Games.

sans doute....madrid.....

Spain had the games at Barcelona in 1992, and you want them again in 2012 ?????.

Madrid!

Am i the only one that gets it that Madrid will not win 2012!!!??
1.Paris
2.London
3.Madridi
4.New York
5. Moscow

rebound countries like paris always win
like athens did in 2004 after losing 1996 and like beijing did 2008 after losing 2000 to syd ney
its all politics!!!!

Thats an interesting analysis, but France is not the flavour of the month in the English speaking world, where approx 70 odd countries get a vote. I think London has a good chance.

Manchester did not win in 2000 after losing out in 1996... It doesn't happen every time.

yeah well thats manchester ..... they havent really done well i meant the country who placed second to the winner
beijing second to sydney
athens second to atlanta
paris third to beijing
toronto might have stood a great chance if they had bid for 2012

to kota16 i also think that london had a good chance and i support their bid and wud prob vote for them as an IOC member if i was one otherwise i was trying to predict the votes of each member based on what people think from that region on these forums but nobody responded
i gave the list of ioc mebers who will vote and there coutry but i wil see what happens if i place the names on this forum

2012 Help decide and argu who will vote for who
Below is a list of Each candidate that will vote for 2012 Olympic Games host city, please if you are from that country please suggest who your member would vote for and say why at least, i have filled in the names of the known votes or so i think, on my laptop i have a table and will fill in the names as i go along, you can simply predict a few,like this

Options
In General
1. " Most north african countries and nigeria will vote for Paris as they voted for them for 2010 SWC"
Particular
2." Australia will most def vote for New York due to the close ties"
List
3. Member A New YOrk
Entire List
4. Copy the names and nationalities and next to each give you prediction
(this is very tedious though)
this i why i want everyones opinion so that we can all compile one prediction hacving taken into account everyones opinion by next year before the bid is announced we should have our predcitions complete... or before then and then just modify as news comes in e.g. if moscow withdraws etc..


ACTIVE MEMBERS

List of members by protocol order
Assume members from bid countries cannot vote in round one



Last name, First name NOC Year of election Games participation and who they wil vote for these are off my head so tell me where im wrong
Havelange, João BRA 1963 1936/52 madrid
Hodler, Marc SUI 1963 london
Mzali, Mohamed TUN 1965 paris
Smirnov, Vitaly * RUS 1971 cannot vote
Tallberg, Peter FIN 1976 1960/64/68/72/80 london
Gosper, Richard Kevan AUS 1977 1956/60 ** new york
Magvan, Shagdarjav MGL 1977 moscow
Pound, Richard W. CAN 1978 1960 new york
Filaretos, Nikos GRE 1981 london
He, Zhenliang CHN 1981 paris
Carraro, Franco ITA 1982 paris
Coles, Phillip Walter AUS 1982 1960/64/68 new york
Dibos, Iván PER 1982 madrid
Igaya, Chiharu JPN 1982 1952/56/60 ** new york
Matthia, Anani TOG 1983 london
Muñoz Peña, Roque Napoleón DOM 1983 madrid
Schmitt, Pál HUN 1983 1968/72/76 ** london
Liechtenstein, la Princesse Nora de LIE 1984 paris
Adefope, Henry Edmund Olufemi NGR 1985 paris
Elizalde, Francisco J. PHI 1985 moscow
Monaco, le Prince Héréditaire Albert de MON 1985 1988/92/94/98/02 paris
Kim*, Un Yong * KOR 1986 paris
Nikolaou, Lambis V. * GRE 1986 london
Defrantz, Anita L. USA 1986 1976 **
Slavkov*, Ivan BUL 1987 paris
Geesink, Anton J. NED 1987 1964 ** london
Princess Royal, The GBR 1988 1976
Mendoza Carrasquilla, Fidel COL 1988 new york
Wilson, Tay NZL 1988 london
Wu, Ching-Kuo TPE 1988 paris
Ruhee, Ram MRI 1988
Kaltschmitt Luján, Willi GUA 1988
Nyangweso, Francis W. UGA 1988 1960
Stankovic, Borislav SCG 1988
Bello, Fernando F. Lima POR 1989 1968/72
Tröger, Walther GER 1989
Okano, Shun-ichiro JPN 1990 1968 **
Carrión, Richard L. * PUR 1990
Indrapana, Nat THA 1990
Rodríguez, Antonio ARG 1990
Oswald, Denis * SUI 1991 1968/72/76 **
Rogge, Jacques * BEL 1991 1968/72/76
Vázquez Raña, Mario * MEX 1991
Bach, Thomas GER 1991 1976 **
Al-Sabah, Ahmad Al-Fahad KUW 1992
Easton, James L. * USA 1994
Reedie, Craig GBR 1994
Pescante, Mario ITA 1994
Heiberg, Gerhard * NOR 1994
Ljungqvist, Arne SWE 1994 1952
Sealy, Austin L. BAR 1994
Mitchell, Robin E. FIJ 1994
Diallo, Alpha Ibrahim * GUI 1994
Gilady, Alex ISR 1994
Tarpischev, Shamil RUS 1994
Borzov, Valeriy UKR 1994 1972/76 **
Fasel, René SUI 1995
Killy, Jean-Claude FRA 1995 1964/1968 **
Ramsamy, Sam RSA 1995
González López, Reynaldo CUB 1995
Vázquez Raña, Olegario MEX 1995 1964/68/72/76
Vrdoljak, Antun CRO 1995
Hickey, Patrick Joseph IRL 1995
Khoury, Toni * LIB 1995
Larfaoui, Mustapha ALG 1995
Ali, Shahid PAK 1996
Chang, Ung PRK 1996
Lindberg, Gunilla * SWE 1996
Maglione, Julio César URU 1996
Lee, Kun Hee KOR 1996
Verbruggen, Hein NED 1996
Cinquanta, Ottavio * ITA 1996
Borbón, l'Infante Doña Pilar de ESP 1996
Drut, Guy FRA 1996 1972/76 **
Szewinska, Irena POL 1998 1964/68/72/76/80 **
Luxembourg, le Grand-Duc de LUX 1998
Sabet, Mounir EGY 1998
Moutawakel, Nawal El MAR 1998 1984 **
Sánchez Rivas, Melitón PAN 1998
Wallner, Leo AUT 1998
Orange, le Prince d' NED 1998
Ng, Ser Miang SIN 1998
Moudallal, Samih SYR 1998
Blatter, Joseph S. SUI 1999
Diack, Lamine SEN 1999
Bubka, Sergey * UKR 1999 1988/92/96/00 **
Ctvrtlik, Robert USA 1999 1988/92/96 **
Di Centa, Manuela ITA 1999 1984/88/92/94/98 **
Popov, Alexander RUS 1999 1992/96/00 **
Aján, Tamás HUN 2000
Hashemi Taba, Mostafa IRI 2000
Kasper, Gian Franco SUI 2000
Keino, Kipjoge KEN 2000 1964/68/72 **
Nuzman, Carlos Arthur BRA 2000 1964
Palenfo, Lassana CIV 2000
Sérandour, Henri FRA 2000
Yu, Zaiqing CHN 2000
O'Neill, Susie AUS 2000 1992/96/00 **
Fok, Timothy Tsun-Ting HKG 2001
Singh, Randhir IND 2001
Coates, John Dowling AUS 2001
Hayatou, Issa CMR 2001
Samaranch Jr, Juan Antonio ESP 2001
Breda Vriesman, Els van NED 2001
Abdulaziz, Nawaf Faisal Fahd KSA 2002
Lazarides, Kikis N. CYP 2002
Park, Yong Sung KOR 2002
Chamunda, Patrick S. ZAM 2002
Al-Thani, Tamim bin Hamad QAT 2002
Holm, Kai DEN 2002
Ndiaye , Youssoupha SEN 2002
Wiberg, Pernilla SWE 2002 1992/94/98 **
Kurri, Jari FIN 2002 1980/98 **
Sondral, Adne NOR 2002 1992/94/98 **
Craven, Phil GBR 2003
Zelezny, Jan CZE 2004 1988/92/96/00/04 **
Guerrouj, Hicham El MAR 2004 1996/00/04 **
Fredericks, Frank NAM 2004 1992/96/04 **
Elwani, Rania EGY 2004 1992/96/00
Grandi, Bruno ITA 2000
Narmon, François BEL 2002
Henderson, Paul CAN 2000 1964

in round one members of countries bidding are not allowed to bid and can only vote once their country has been eliminated from the race

Here is how I would rate them

1.Paris
2.Madrid.
3.Moscow
4.London
5.NYC

NY.

Then Roiano*.

:)

* P.S. That's the district of Trieste where I live. http://tinypic.com/u3kmg

P.P.S. Maybe I'll focus on Roiano North. That's better. http://tinypic.com/u3kmg http://tinypic.com/u3kmg http://tinypic.com/u3kmg

P.P.P.S. Let's say the Upper Part of Roiano North. 't's OK now. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:wave: :wave: :wave:

why not madrid??? but barcelona 92?? Madrid is the unique grand city of europe not celebrated Olympics Games

We'll get the Olympics......

MADRID 2012

madrid, madrid, madrid, madrid,

en 2016 tocan o en africa, o en america del sur, ya es hora

yeahhhhh Madrid 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

en 2016 tocan o en africa, o en america del sur, ya es hora

In 2012, Madrid will definetely not get them!

stupid people thinking madrid will win
nothing wrong with supporting madrd
but one must also live in reality and face the facts that paris or london will win
so please dont get too worked up and sad when in singapore jacques rogge says :" and the country to host the games of the X olympiad in 2012 is ....... PARIS"

Madrid 2012 what???? are u stupid???? lets just rename the games the spanish games cause they hosted1992 and they want 2012
let live in reality paris or london will win i will bet u 1000 000 pounds madrid will not win
each ioc member will say barcelona 1992 so why spain again
AND FORGET ABOUT LISBon 2016 or just rename the games the euopean games 1992,2004,2012,2016 does europe want more lol

Madrid 2012 what???? are u stupid???? lets just rename the games the spanish games cause they hosted1992 and they want 2012
let live in reality paris or london will win i will bet u 1000 000 pounds madrid will not win
each ioc member will say barcelona 1992 so why spain again
AND FORGET ABOUT LISBon 2016 or just rename the games the euopean games 1992,2004,2012,2016 does europe want more lol

1984 - 23rd Olympiad - Los Angeles, California, USA
1988 - 24th Olympiad - Seoul, South Korea
1992 - 25th Olympiad - Barcelona, Spain
1996 - 26th Olympiad - Atlanta, Georgia, USA
2000 - 27th Olympiad - Sydney, Australia
2004 - 28th Olympiad - Athens, Greece
2008 - 29th Olympiad - Beijing, China
2012 - 30th Olympiad - To be selected in 2004 (New York, Paris, London, and others are bidding)

So, if in 2012 it wont be an european city choosen then Lisbon has pretty good chances in 2016, and as beijing will host the 2008 games then lets just forget any games for asia until 2020, mostly probably for 2012 it will be NYC, but the world hates the USA so much that it could be a plus as to show the world that the USA are so fucking nice guys that they even host a peace event!

stupid people thinking madrid will win
nothing wrong with supporting madrd
but one must also live in reality and face the facts that paris or london will win
so please dont get too worked up and sad when in singapore jacques rogge says :" and the country to host the games of the X olympiad in 2012 is ....... PARIS"
Fuck off stupid bastard!!! u'll get surprised when u see which city is going to win on july asshole!

Fuck off stupid bastard!!! u'll get surprised when u see which city is going to win on july asshole!

what a thoroughly nice bloke!

i apologize for saying stupid people think so but to be honest i will be in singapore in july and madrid will need more then 58 so about 60 members of the IOC to vote for madrid to win
i dont think that 60 members believe madrid is truly deserving after barcelona 1992
oh and i noticed it is a certain type of people who start to use bad language or get violent when somone has a diff opinion and i suppose u are one of them who instead of expressing a decent and convincing response u use bad language in a poor attempt to show me that u are right but which actually reflects very little about your argument and more about your lack of brains

this is my opinion i hope u cud construct one as well

Paris will win
I want London to win and believe they should for many reasons which i cannot say on the forums and which has to do a lot with what goes on in the background and what many people dont see about some host cities as to what they have done in the past in terms of bidding which i was unlucky to see
Madrid has the best technical bid
New York has the most exciting bid and possibly the strongest financial backing
Moscow is a lost cause they shud withdraw
London/ New York will have the best opening ceremony!!

so now randy construct a sensible argument which relies more on your thoughts than ur bad language to convince me and oh i wont fuck off im here to stay, deal with it

rebound countries like paris always win
like athens did in 2004 after losing 1996 and like beijing did 2008 after losing 2000 to syd ney
its all politics!!!!

Paris is "rebounding" since 1986...

Even while having the best bid, BCN would hardly have got its Olympics, had it not been for Samaranc, so...

I agree they are rebounding since 1986 and jacques rogge wil def have a major influence when cape town bids the african bid for 2020 olympics i really hope buenos aires wins in 2016 or perhaps toronto .... Cape town could be tought to beat if buenos aires goes up against them in 2020..

I mean... Madrid might win and it already is very good for madrid...
It would be one great surprise!! .. so........... we wait 2005.
Madrid is a good city to live!!!
Comig to Madrid!!!
Can you feel Madrid??
Madrid es una PASADA!!

^We can feel you're high on Madrid.

I can't believe that these are the cities under consideration. Bringing the Olympics to London or New York would entail massive costs, security issues and traffic jams like you've never seen. Paris and the others wouldn't have it much easier.

I say keep sending them to smaller cities with less congestion--if you've got to have the bloody things at all.

^Then... GO YAMOUSSOUKRO 2016!

Kiev, Prague and Moscow also.

It would be a joke if New York got the games seeing as Vancouver is hosting the winter games just before.

london

I do vote for Madrid, of course. I don´t think NY bid really has the full support of Newyorkers. London, humm, I have lived there for 3 yrs. It would be a joke to give the Games to a city with such a poor public transport system. London underground and commuting trains simply A) are closed B) on stryke C) they just don´t work. Paris is the rival as it seems. I´ve been there three weeks ago. Prepare ur wallet if they get the Games ( 15 € for a roundtriop to CDG Airport??!!! it costs 2€ for the same trip over here!!! and with a far better train!!) Besides, Paris remains beatiful, rainy, cold and with a fabolous marketing around, so I guess they stand a big chance. But if the Games are given with the audience best interests in mind, we should all
be enjoying Madrid sun in 2012.

i vote for Madrid because of its great nightlife and it´s close to me (6 hours drivin´)so maybe will´l get a jump there by 2o12 :) anyway i´ve got 2 questions to de madrid ppl
1- Where is gonna be de olimpic stadium?
2- I know de city is tremendously hot during de summer isnt this aspect affect the possible games?

The Olympic Ring is going to be located at the end of line 7 ( where the current Stadium is) Madrid also gets a bit warm during the summer, but do not worry, A) it is a dry heat, so it is bearable B) The Olympics should be finished by the time the real hot arrives C) We have air conditioning, fans, sangria...U wil survive the expirience ;-)

I hope Madrid!! :)

Yes, Go Madrid!

I vote for Madrid, the concentration of the infraestructures, the great transport net, the excellent support of the country, and the good quality hotels with good prices, are, I think, good reasons to deserve this Olimpic Games. Paris is, I think, our great rival.

i vote for Madrid because of its great nightlife and it´s close to me (6 hours drivin´)so maybe will´l get a jump there by 2o12 :) anyway i´ve got 2 questions to de madrid ppl
1- Where is gonna be de olimpic stadium?
2- I know de city is tremendously hot during de summer isnt this aspect affect the possible games?


The Olpmpic Stadium is near the airporty (ten minutes by tube). It´s near an area prepared for comercial meetings called "Feria de Madrid", in the same place there will be the stadium the swimming-pool and other sports.

Maybe it´s hot, but I think that many cities where the games have been celebrated already are equally hot, like Rome or Athens, for example. I think that it is not a big problem.

By the way, I adore Lisbon, it´s very tomantic, very nice and I love the Expo Area, with SIza and other excellent arquitects biuldings there. I have two friends there, and it´s a place I go often. Lisbon is one of the nicest cities of the world for me.

stupid people thinking madrid will win
nothing wrong with supporting madrd
but one must also live in reality and face the facts that paris or london will win
so please dont get too worked up and sad when in singapore jacques rogge says :" and the country to host the games of the X olympiad in 2012 is ....... PARIS"



I think that to call stupid to some people is not a good reason precisely. You should learn to be more polite, I am afraid , before give any leason about it to anybody, my dear friend.

Chovinismo aparte... (Que se puede eseperar de un frances..?¿?) :D

Sorry for calling people stupid

i would rather have madrid than paris win but i still support london
i dont see madrid winning ioc members will not let the games go spain so soon again...
and thats a fact u not going to be able to convince more than 50 ioc members that the games should be in spain gain after barcelona

May be that´s a point against Madrid but Paris is the only city that has had the games 3 times if I remember it right.
I think London and NY has less choices as ioc puntuated them below Madrid and Paris but everything is possible.

Chovinismo aparte... (Que se puede eseperar de un frances..?¿?)

err..mo rush no esta frances !!!

and aerosp, paris has organised the games twice ! not 3 times !