URUGUAY / ARGENTINA - FIFA World Cup 2030 bid [Archive]

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 05:31 AM

International Football - Uruguay dreaming of hosting World Cup
Mon, 04 Oct 21:59:00 2010

Uruguay have a dream of staging the World Cup with neighbours Argentina and believe it has every chance of becoming reality in 2030, 100 years after they hosted the inaugural tournament.

The idea has the support of FIFA president Sepp Blatter and Uruguay has an ideal stadium as one of the main venues, Uruguayan Football Association (AUF) president Sebastian Bauza said.

Bauza also said the South American Football Confederation (Conmebol) hoped to retain the same number of qualifying berths at the 2014 finals in Brazil as they have had in recent World Cups.

"We had the chance to talk with Blatter (in Bogota) and at the news conference he said he approved of Uruguay and Argentina organising the World Cup in 2030," Bauza said.

Blatter and Bauza were in Bogota for Colombia's official presentation of next year's Under-20 World Cup.

Bauza said Europe was likely to get the 2018 World Cup, the United States in 2022 and Asia in 2026.

"So it's already on track... For Uruguay, to be able to organise the World Cup again would be very important," added Bauza in an interview on his return from the Colombian capital.

"As things stand today, with 20 years to go, we imagine having the possibility of staging the opening or closing (final) match and have the Uruguay group venue plus a second round or quarter-final matches in the Centenario.

"Only yesterday, I spoke to the minister of Sport and told him this is a project that can be confirmed so we must start work at once," said Bauza.

"The government's support is fundamental and to start investing thinking of the World Cup."

Bauza said there were already plans to modernise the Centenario, the main venue for the 13-nation inaugural finals.

The stadium held the first World Cup final when Uruguay beat Argentina 4-2 in 1930.

Asked whether a second venue could also be in Uruguay, a much smaller country than Argentina, Bauza said Rivera, a Copa America venue in 1995, would be a popular choice for Brazil being on the border between the two countries.

"One could have a venue in Rivera which is on the border with Brazil with Brazil playing there if they qualify...It would be very important for the Brazilians to have a venue in Rivera."

The finals now have 32 teams with the FIFA confederations jostling for berths.

South America, the smallest confederation with only 10 members but almost on a par with Europe in terms of World Cup success, had four and a half places for the last finals, the half allowing a fifth team to play off against a country from another confederation.

That is how Uruguay qualified for South Africa this year, beating the Concacaf 's Costa Rica after finishing fifth in the South American qualifiers before becoming the region's best side by reaching the semi-finals in July.

The Conmebol, headed by Paraguayan Nicolas Leoz, wants to keep that number in addition to Brazil automatically qualifying as hosts, which could end up handing the region six finalists.

"What the Conmebol is saying is we want the berths respected as they were for the Asian World Cup organised by Korea/Japan, as they were respected in Germany with their 13 (European) places plus Germany's berth and as the five (African) places were respected in South Africa plus the place for South Africa.

"In Brazil it must be the same, respect the four and a half berths plus Brazil (already) qualified," said Bauza.

"We're asking for the same thing as in the last World Cups.

This will be discussed in the FIFA congress in December but the truth is it would be an injustice to lose the half berth."

Reuters

Source: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/04102010/58/international-football-uruguay-dreaming-hosting-world-cup.html

broncoempire

October 6th, 2010, 11:23 AM

I don't want this coming off as obnoxious, cause isn't meant to be, but I'd like to know what is about countries or cities that think because it is some kind of large anniversary year that they should be able to host a particular event? We're constantly seeing bids put forth, some relatively credible, some not nearly as much, merely on the basis that said location hosted this event so many years ago and it gets to a point where its kinda silly. It's one thing to be sentimental, but does is really seem as feasible as were making it out to be? Furthermore, by the time we reach 2030, we'll be back to probably 12 years since Europe last hosted the World Cup, and I'm not sure they're be so inclined to send the Cup to South America again when other untapped European markets (namely the 2018 losers) are still out there and very much viable.

I'm not overly against the idea of a joint Argentina/Uruguay bid, but I don't know if the reasoning is sound or if UEFA members will feel the same way, and its as much a slam dunk as many of us are making it out to be.

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 09:21 PM

^^ For me, the next world cups will be in:

2018 - England
2022 - United States
2026 - China
2030 - Uruguay / Argentina

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 09:32 PM

Don't underestimate the importance of both countries in the world football history. That's another important factor. Uruguay and Argentina have won 6 world cups!. Money is not everything, history also matter.

MysteryMike

October 6th, 2010, 09:38 PM

If the US wins either 2018 or 2022 I can guarantee Uruguay nor Argentina will be hosting anything in 2030

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 09:51 PM

^^ That's not a problem at all. The United States are a Concacaf team, while Uruguay and Argentina are Conmebol teams.

MysteryMike

October 6th, 2010, 10:06 PM

logic suggests 2030 is designated for Europe and then with Brazil hosting 2014, if the US hosts 2022 or 2018, the geographic proximity plus other reasons mean Uruguay/Argentina bid chances are getting slimmer and slimmer. Brazil has hosted before, US have hosted before and so have Uruguay and Argentina combined that with as stated the geographic proximity will mean ultimate doom for the bid. Best chance for Uruguay/Argentina is if the US fails to host the world cup till at least 2034.

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 10:13 PM

EDIT

Bolsilludo

October 6th, 2010, 10:13 PM

As far as I know, the rotation of confederations no longer exists.

Chimbanha

October 6th, 2010, 10:52 PM

Either way, it'll be very tough for Argentina/Uruguay to pull this off.

If our current system is kept, then there will be at least 4 very competitive bids from Europe willing to host it, especially the defeated bids from 2018. I just can't see we have a 16 year period between World Cups in Europe.

If there's no rotation anymore, Europe will probably have hosted it in 2026 and China and Australia/U.S. will probably be eager to bid. And I can't see them beating China either.

I'm pretty sure there will be a WC in Argentina in the 2030's or 2040's - the thing is, they will probably need help in order to host it. And it's more likely to come from Chile than tiny Uruguay.

Cracovia

October 6th, 2010, 10:58 PM

Uruguay/Argentina- great idea, but their bid needs to be up to scratch, If they get it just due to an anniversary...then it would be extreamley unfair

Livno80101

October 6th, 2010, 11:11 PM

It would be great if happens, for centenary of World Cup. I am very interested in that, would FIFA be so generous and give this big cup and on special year to first host, and would they agreed on having disproportional number of host cities in two countries.

If I would be chief of WC comitee, I would organize that like this.

Argentina

TWO STADIUMS
Buenos Aires

ONE STADIUM
Cordoba
Rosario
Mendoza
La Plata
Mar del Plata
Avellaneda
San Miguel
San Juan
*Most of these stadiums should go under major refurbishment, and that can be done in like twelve years time (assuming host will be announced in like 2018.)

Uruguay

TWO STADIUMS
Montevideo

ONE STADIUM
Salto
Paysandu
*Those two stadiums could be made with temporary stands, like half of cap is temporary.

Two groups would be held in Uruguay (12 matches), and six in Argentina (36 matches).
Second round - two matches in Uruguay, six in Argentina
Quarter-final - one match in Uruguay, three in Argentina
Semi-final - both matches in Argentina
Third-place match - one match in Argentina
Final - one match in Uruguay - Montevideo, Centenario

Anyway, go Argentina Uruguay 2030 bid :banana:

P.S. Cities dont need to be like those I choose, I used biggest I found and I know for.

hngcm

October 7th, 2010, 04:26 AM

16 matches in Uruguay, 48 matches in Argentina...

Way too uneven.

Might as well have the WC in Argentina and just have the final in Uruguay.

TEBC

October 7th, 2010, 06:41 AM

TEBC

October 7th, 2010, 06:42 AM

TEBC

October 7th, 2010, 06:44 AM

broncoempire

October 7th, 2010, 07:40 AM

So take out football world cup from less passionates countries from Asia and North America. Before South Korea/Japan the WC was held one time in Europe the other one in America. We have the same right to host a any other country. And Uruguay, with Argentina can do it better than many europeans.

I don't think this a case of passion for football in one area or another. The primary issue is why does Uruguay (with significant contribution of assistance from Argentina) feel that they are the most qualified nation to host the 2030 World Cup? If the primary reason is simply for sentiment's sake because they hosted the inaugural Cup in 1930, it's fine, but it's not the sole reason that places should enter the running to host this event. The world is drastically different than it was in 1930 and what worked then doesn't always work now. Right now neither of these countries are qualified to host the World Cup; that is not to say that 20 years from now they may be.

Arbitrary continental rotation and sentiment are terrible reasons for awarding events to certain areas. History and tradition may be on the sides these two nations, but there is no guarantee that members of the voting committees will be as easily swayed as some of us are. We can all be as naive as we want that money doesn't matter but I can bet that FIFA may not always agree with that thinking. They see a world where places like China, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East are burgeoning new markets that are fantastic places to place future editions and expand the game further, as well as make a ton of money in the process.

Tradition is fine, but it can only get us so far. We can't always be so intent on resting on what brought us here, as sometimes we just have to create new traditions in the name of progress.

jlch1987

October 7th, 2010, 08:33 PM

Well, there is still 30 yers ahed, plenty of time to make certain changes and improve things, specially in infrastructure... Argentine and Uruguay are stable countries with growing economies and a passion for football well known... Now Argentine is gonna host American Cup 2011, so we'll se plenty of work...!

rafamlopes

October 8th, 2010, 01:13 AM

SkyCA

October 13th, 2010, 08:28 AM

mmm Russia 2018 and Uruguay/Argentina 2030:banana:

Bolsilludo

October 24th, 2010, 11:12 PM

Uruguay and Argentina could be supported by Qatar

Argentina gives tactical green light to Qatar 2022 bid

Argentina has confirmed it will throw its weight behind Qatar’s bid to host the FIFA World Cup in 2022.

“We expect that Doha in return will support our candidacy to co-host the event in 2030 along with Uruguay,” said Carlos Enrique Meyer, Argentinean tourism minister, during a state visit to Doha".

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/argentina-gives-tactical-green-light-qatar-2022-bid-357860.html

Gulftimes

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=393998&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16

MatuARG

October 25th, 2010, 03:26 AM

This idea needs polishing, Uruguay is a Small country compared with argentina (in Km² population, PBI etc..) so the proporcion should be 1/4

with the following stadiums:
URUGUAY:
-Montevideo-Centenario
-Punta del Este-New
-Ciudad del interior de uruguay(Paysandú, Salto etc..)-New
ARGENTINA
-Buenos aires- Monumental
-La Plata- El Único (will be opened on deccember 2010)
-Cordoba- El Chateau (increasing its capacity for The copa america2011)
-Mendoza- El Malvinas Argentinas
-Rosario- El Gigante de Arroyito
-Santa fe/Paraná- El Cementerio de Elefantes
-Salta- El Padre E. Martearena
-San Juan- El del Bicentenario
-Mar del Plata- El Mundialista
-San Luis- El Estadio de La Punta

That would be all the stadiums in Argentina that are already built and only need to increase their capacity and facilities

the New stadiums should be built:
1 in San Miguel de Tucuman
the other should be built in Neuquen but the problem is that there the winter is very cold so the other citiy that could be proposed is Resistencia that has 1 estadium under cunstruccion that can be improved for the WC.

well at least thats my opinion,

PD:sorry for my lousy english

Nort

March 14th, 2011, 12:43 AM

Well first mi english is bad so don´t make a lot of work to understand my

Uruguay could have 4 or 5 stadiums

Montevideo 2: centenario and The gran parque central (there was played the first world match :lol:)
Punta del este/Maldonado 1: This cities are united as you may know Punta del este is one of the most exclusives cities of Latinamerica and it has a lot of hoteles
Salto: This small city is the hot spring capital of L.A and it has hoteles under construction
Colonia: This city is very very small but it has a beautiful history center and there are also a lot of hotels there

Sorry but my english is not very good :lol:

thicken

March 14th, 2011, 12:56 AM

i support this

chibimatty

March 14th, 2011, 11:55 AM

I think this would be a great World Cup, but I still feel personally that it would be nice if Uruguay held it with some other South American countries instead. Best of luck anyway!

Nort

March 14th, 2011, 09:03 PM

Thanks Chibimatty as you may now uruguay and Argentina are not of third world like much people thinks Uruguay, Argentina and Chile form the "Conosur" it has a very good human development index comparable with some European nations and some estates from de U.S

Ok I no we are not a rich nation but we have our thinks hehe

Sorry again, but my English is bad

Nort

March 14th, 2011, 09:04 PM

Edit

rsol2000

March 15th, 2011, 03:14 AM

I support.

Arthurlp10

March 15th, 2011, 03:20 AM

In my opinion...

Uruguay 4 cities - 5 stadiums
1- Montevideo - (2 new Stadiums)
2- Punta del este/Maldonado - (Two cities close together, can have a new stadium between them.)
3- Rivera - New or renovated and expanded stadium (It is a city that borders directly with another of Brazil, thereby making the population is larger than it looks.)
4- Paysandú or Salto - New or renovated and expanded stadium

Argentina 6 cities - 7 stadiums
1- Buenos Aires - Two new Stadiums
2- Avellaneda - (Take modernization in the new stadium from Independiente.)
3- Ciudad de La Plata - (Take modernization in the new stadium)
4- Córdoba - (New Stadium)
5- Mendoza - (New Stadium)
6- Rosario - (New Stadium)

Some cities may have a small population, but are strategic points that can take many tourists from Brazil, Paraguay and Chile.
For example:
Mendoza is only 363KM from the capital of Chile, Santiago.
Rivera is a city widely visited by Brazilians and even merge with a bordering town of the same size.

LADEN

March 15th, 2011, 03:21 AM

LADEN

March 15th, 2011, 03:25 AM

In my opinion...

Uruguay 4 cities - 5 stadiums
1- Montevideo - (2 new Stadiums)
2- Punta del este/Maldonado - (Two cities close together, can have a new stadium between them.)
3- Rivera - New or renovated and expanded stadium (It is a city that borders directly with another of Brazil, thereby making the population is larger than it looks.)
4- Paysandú or Salto - New or renovated and expanded stadium

Argentina 7 cities - 8 stadiums
1- Buenos Aires - Two new Stadiums
2- Avellaneda - (Take modernization in the new stadium from Independiente.)
3- Ciudad de La Plata - (Take modernization in the new stadium)
4- Córdoba - (New Stadium)
5- Mendoza - (New Stadium)
6- Santa Fé - (New or Renovated Stadium)
7- Rosario - (New Stadium)

Some cities may have a small population, but are strategic points that can take many tourists from Brazil, Paraguay and Chile.
For example:
Mendoza is only 363KM from the capital of Chile, Santiago.
Rivera is a city widely visited by Brazilians and even merge with a bordering town of the same size.
Santa Fe is the nearest town to the capital of Paraguay, about 500km away.

Estoy de acuerdo

:applause:

Malulin

March 15th, 2011, 06:58 PM

al74

March 15th, 2011, 10:23 PM

Uruguay - 3
Montevideo - Centenario - renovated
Punta del Este - new
Rivera - new

Argentina
Buenos Aires - Monumental - renovated
La Plata - Unico
Rosario - Gigante de Arroyito - renovated
Cordoba - new
Mendoza - Malvinas - renovated
Salta - Padre Martearena - renovated
Santa Fé - Cementerio de los Elefantes - renovated
Mar del Plata - renovated
San Juan - renovated

Aka

March 15th, 2011, 10:36 PM

So you pretty much have four stadiums in Buenos Aires. Not a good idea.

Don't they have 10 in Doha?

RobH

March 15th, 2011, 11:13 PM

Yeah, all bets are off now. FIFA's own rules are meaningless to all intents and purposes.

romanito

March 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM

The current Uruguayan population is of 3,5M. It will be of 4M or so in 2030. No way they're going to host more than 2 WC stadiums - especially if one of them is built for 80,000

To be honest it's high time FIFA stopped the supergrowth of the World Cup. If it keeps going this way, only 10 countries or so will be able to host it. The 2010 WC should be used as a standard, so that countries such as Argentina, Colombia, Poland and Egypt could host alone.

^^ And even so those countries listed will have a hard time building ten MODERN 40,000 stadiums.

Let's be more realistic. Argentina population in 2030 will be nearly 50 million. The population of Uruguay will be 3,700,000 inhabitants.
Uruguay cannot have more than 2 world class stadiums, Argentina should have the others 12 world class stadiums.

Argentina:

1-Buenos Aires
2-Cordoba
3-Rosario
4-Salta
5-Mendoza
6-La Plata
7-San Juan
8-Mar del Plata
9-Tucuman
10-Bahia Blanca
11-Santa Fe
12-Neuquen

........................

Uruguay:

1-Montevideo
2-Punta del Este

........................

Nort

March 16th, 2011, 12:22 AM

Let's be more realistic. Argentina population in 2030 will be nearly 50 million. The population of Uruguay will be 3,700,000 inhabitants.
Uruguay cannot have more than 2 world class stadiums, Argentina should have the others 12 world class stadiums.

Argentina:

1-Buenos Aires
2-Cordoba
3-Rosario
4-Salta
5-Mendoza
6-La Plata
7-San Juan
8-Mar del Plata
9-Tucuman
10-Bahia Blanca
11-Santa Fe
12-Neuquen

........................

Uruguay:

1-Montevideo
2-Punta del Este

........................

No por favor con lo mismo Romanito no digas eso denuevo que es tremendo bolaso que uruguay solo puede tener 2 sedes te lo digo con buena onda no nos subestimes como haces siempre

CiudadanoDelMundo

March 16th, 2011, 12:40 AM

I support it. ¡Mucha suerte!

hngcm

March 16th, 2011, 12:50 AM

What are Uruguay's best stadiums right now?

Arthurlp10

March 16th, 2011, 03:02 AM

So you pretty much have four stadiums in Buenos Aires. Not a good idea.

But where you want to have world cup?
In the desert?
The surrounds of Argentina Buenos Aires!
What other great city exists beyond those that I mentioned?
La Plata and Avellaneda are the only cities where the stadiums will not require major upgrades, leaving them out of the World Cup is madness.
The Greater Buenos Aires has 13 Millions inhabitants, or 3.25 million per stadium.

TEBC

March 16th, 2011, 06:13 AM

Knowing the problems that brazilian host cities are facing to host the World Cup, only two Uruguaian cities can host a world cup. Montevideu and Punta. The others cities are too small to host any games and to have facilities like hotel rooms in suficient number, airports, stadiums that would be used later.. I know that Qatar is even smaller but we cant compare the money that qatar has and the money Uruguay can spend. So I still belive would be something like this:

Uruguay:
Montevideu: Centenario and a New smaller stadium
Punta: New Stadium

Argentina:
Buenos Aires: Monumental de Nunez e Bombonera
La Plata
Avellaneda: Racing and/or Independiente
Mar del Palta
Cordoba
Rosario
Mendonza

TEBC

March 16th, 2011, 06:22 AM

What are Uruguay's best stadiums right now?

Centenario

romanito

March 16th, 2011, 04:02 PM

espectro

March 16th, 2011, 04:44 PM

Personally, I think Rivera a northern city in the borderline with Brazil could be the third headquarter in Uruguay of the wolrd cup of 2030.
Why? Brazil always is candidate to win the cup, and Santa Ana do Livramento is next to Rivera without natural border ,free traffic of vehicules and people. Brazil will play the world cup without staying in Uruguay, and the stadium in Rivera is located only 10 minutes from the center of Santa Ana.
Both cities could be benefit.

TEBC

March 17th, 2011, 03:50 AM

http://www.quenonino.com.uy/quenonino/tabid/37/idNoticia/37180/Mundial-2030/Default.aspx

Fútbol Internacional AnteriorSiguiente16 marzo 2011 - 18:00Mundial 2030
Hermanos unidosivan.falero@quenonino.com
Pensando en el Mundial de 2030, los gobiernos de Uruguay y Argentina crearon un Comité Binacional. “Valoramos muy positivamente esta candidatura común”, dijo Liliam Kechichian.
Se hizo oficial la candidatura para que Uruguay y Argentina sean sede del Mundial 2030. Tras una reunión en Buenos Aires, los gobiernos de ambos países formaron un Comité Binacional para llevar a buen puerto esta iniciativa.

A todo esto, la subsecretaria del Ministerio de Turismo y Deportes, Liliam Kechichian, se mostró optimista con este hecho:

"Valoramos muy positivamente esta candidatura común, a 100 años del primer Mundial (Uruguay-1930) en un deporte que es pasión de nuestros pueblos (…) Cumpliremos con un deseo de nuestros pueblos y será homenaje a los pioneros”, aseguró Kechichian.

En lo que sería el primer siglo con citas mundialistas, el ministro argentino de Turismo, Enrique Meter, aseguró que todo esto "se tomó a sabiendas de que el Mundial en 2026 le puede tocar a Europa", sabiendo que el 2014 será en Brasil, el 2018 en Rusia y el 2022 en Qatar.

joshjordaan

March 17th, 2011, 09:37 AM

Jim856796

March 18th, 2011, 06:56 AM

One question: Before a World Cup in Uruguay/Argentina, can the Estadio Centenario be renovated in any way? I can't believe that a roofless stadium can be classified as a historic landmark which can still be improved somehow.

TEBC

March 19th, 2011, 06:38 AM

these people claim to know the rules of fifa yet they aren't aware that it is impossible for Europe to host in 2026? the only confederations that may bid are CAF, CONCACAF, Oceania, and CONMEBOL according to fifa's confederation rotation policy. UEFA are unable to bid until 2030 and and AFC unable to bid again until 2034.

I think that the rotation sistem is already out. There is no way that Western Europe dont host a WC in more than 20 years, that´s why 2026 will probably be held by some traditional country like England, Spain or Italy...

TEBC

March 19th, 2011, 06:39 AM

And I really hope that UAE host some matches of 2022 otherwise it will be the most boring WC ever...

Nort

March 19th, 2011, 02:11 PM

Yeah me to they dont like football and there cities ar very very small and that will be a problem!!

Sorry again my english is bad :D

sansoplotteados

March 20th, 2011, 09:56 PM

No por favor con lo mismo Romanito no digas eso denuevo que es tremendo bolaso que uruguay solo puede tener 2 sedes te lo digo con buena onda no nos subestimes como haces siempre

El tema no es si uno subestima a Uruguay o no, la cosa es ser lo mas realista posible y en mi opinión Uruguay no está en condiciones de realizar un mundial de fútbol.
El problema es que en poco mas de diez años ya designan la sede del 2030 ¿como hará Uruguay para afrontar los miles de millones de dólares de inversión que requiere semejante evento? Hasta tengo dudas que Argentina esté a la altura (mirá lo que te digo) pero al menos para Argentina es factible la realización de un mundial.
Otra cosa que estoy notando, y esto es una opinión totalmente personal, es que la FIFA no ve con bueno ojos la realización conjunta y pienso que tienen razón en algo, los egos de cada país obstaculizaría todo.
Vos fijate que en casi todas las páginas web uruguayas que hablan de ese hipotético mundial solamente ponen URUGUAY 2030, dejando muy a segundo plano a Argentina y ahi si que empezamos mal, luego van a venir las peleas grosas sobre quién abre el evento y donde se juega la final.
La FIFA abre el paraguas con estas cosas y dice que apuestan por un solo pais anfitrión.

ryebreadraz

March 20th, 2011, 10:19 PM

It will be interesting to see how this goes considering the problems that Brazil is having getting ready and that no South American country/s has won a World Cup vote in the modern era.

RobH

March 20th, 2011, 10:25 PM

Mr.Bennish

March 20th, 2011, 11:54 PM

Where would be the final? Montevideo v Buenos Aires. I would like Montevideo.

hngcm

March 22nd, 2011, 07:32 AM

Guessing Montevideo in celebration of the 100 years of WC

Nort

March 23rd, 2011, 02:25 AM

They know Montevideo in USA what a surprise :lol:

Sorry again

Hablando Sanso es obio que uruguay no puede hacer el mundial solo pero si puede tener más de 2 SEDES perfectamente 4 o 5!

Cirdan

March 23rd, 2011, 10:00 AM

Let's be more realistic. Argentina population in 2030 will be nearly 50 million. The population of Uruguay will be 3,700,000 inhabitants.
Uruguay cannot have more than 2 world class stadiums, Argentina should have the others 12 world class stadiums.

You can't go just by population here, if Uruguay wants to host and get the host berth as well as the advertisement for the country, 2 stadiums is not enough. I don't think they should try for anything near even, but 8 in Argentina and 4 in Uruguay should not be impossible, with 2 of Uruguays stadia getting downsized after the event.

BTW, when considering this whole thing you should remember that the majority of the current FIFA leaders are unlikely to still be in place at the time the decision is made in about 10-12 years, including Blatter and Grondona, so what they say doesn't really matter all that much.

Gondolier

March 24th, 2011, 12:14 AM

Tuvalu staking its claim for 2034 World Cup!!

anref2001

March 24th, 2011, 01:26 AM

1 - mar del plata renovated
2 - la plata
3 - monumental renovated
4 - amalfitani renovated
5 - rosario renovated
6 - cementerio de los elefantes
7 - kempes in cordoba (the most beautyfull )
8 - malvinas argentinas in mendoza
9 - san juan
10 - new stadium in tucuman
11 - new stadium in neuquen
12 -centenario mtv
13 - new stadium in mvd
14- rivera renovated
15 - salto new
16 - maldonado renovated
17 - new stadium in tacuarembo

there are many options you just have to choose 12
8 in Argentina and 4 in Uruguay

Nort

March 24th, 2011, 03:34 AM

In Tacuarembó are you crazy?!!

Mojeda101

March 24th, 2011, 04:16 AM

Argentina will most likely host 75% of the World Cup as Uruguay only has one major stadium, but with the time until the World cup, they would most likely be able to build 3 more max, Argentina on the other hand could supply the others such as "El Monumental" and the newly renovated "La Plata" stadium, along with the new "Independiente" Stadium, maybe the new "Cordoba", and even "Racing Club" if they fix it up.

Others could possibly be "La Bombonera", it would most likely have been finished as they have 19 years until the World Cup. I say "Rosario" could also have a good chance, it's fairly big and in the time until the cup, it could have a new tray added. Several others have a chance, I will list all those that are worthy.

El Monumental Stadium(River Plate)
Unico De La Plata Stadium(Estudiantes)
Libertadores de América Stadium of Independiente(Independiente)
Colon de Santa Fe Stadium(Colon)
Estadio Presidente Juan Domingo Perón de Racing Club(Racing Club)
La Bombonera(Boca Juniors)
Gigante de Arroyito Stadium(Rosario Central)

These would most likely be the stadiums in the world cup along with the other 3 that Uruguay would contribute with.

anref2001

March 24th, 2011, 10:50 AM

In Tacuarembó are you crazy?!!

Yes I am crazy, but why not?
It will open the area

Nort

March 26th, 2011, 11:42 PM

Tacuarembo has a very small population (like 25.000)

sweet-d

March 27th, 2011, 03:38 AM

Is 2026 too early for a bid then?

It's all very well staking a claim for 2030, but if a bid from outside Europe wins 2026, then you'd have to feel 2030 is set for Europe. In other words, pray USA doesn't bid for 2026, and bribe as many ExCo members as you can to scrap the rotation system!

Yeah can pray but the U.S. will most likely bid for 2026 maybe you should pray we Americans piss the world off some more so it will lower our chances for getting the 2026. We can do it you know look what we did in the last decade if we work really hard we can make the next decade even worse for the world.

Jim856796

March 27th, 2011, 02:08 PM

if Uruguay and Argentina makes a real bid for the 2030 World Cup, what is proposed for the final venue? Centenario, Monumental, or some white elephant?

Lord David

March 29th, 2011, 08:57 AM

^^ It's gotta be Centenario for sure, purely for symbolic reasons. I would expect an upgrade to 80,000-90,000 just for the Centennial.

It should ideally be 5 stadiums in Uruguay, in 4-5 host cities, with 7 in Argentina in 7 host cities. This is 2030 we're talking about, population should surely boom in Uruguay and be significant enough by then.

merope

March 31st, 2011, 12:53 AM

Dont forget that most of the cities from South of Argentina wouldnt be a good choice because it will be cold. The games are played during winter.

What did they do in '78? Was that an issue?
Come on. If South Africa can host a World Cup, so can Argentina....

Indeed. They proved they could more than thirty years ago.
Don't underestimate the importance of both countries in the world football history. That's another important factor. Uruguay and Argentina have won 6 world cups!

4, not 6.

TEBC

March 31st, 2011, 03:06 AM

What did they do in '78? Was that an issue?

Indeed. They proved they could more than thirty years ago.

4, not 6.

You cant compare WC from 70s with the WC now. The championship is much bigger and complex now, but still can think that Argentina can host it.

In 78 none of the cities that hosted was from the south of the country.

merope

March 31st, 2011, 03:36 AM

You cant compare WC from 70s with the WC now. The championship is much bigger and complex now, but still can think that Argentina can host it.

Sure, but one successful WC is better than none! Whether or not it was smaller, they still did it. And while not as large as it is now, it was still a significant undertaking for a relatively poor nation.

In 78 none of the cities that hosted was from the south of the country.

Hence my question.

_X_

March 31st, 2011, 10:08 AM

The Americas will get 2026 or 2030,but not both.

Everybody knows this

bolsouru

April 1st, 2011, 02:08 PM

Uruguay should have 4 stadiums , two in montevideo and two in punta del este i dont think that any other city in all uruguay could be prepared for a world cup

Lord David

April 2nd, 2011, 01:39 PM

Make it 1 or 2 in Montevideo (with Centenario hosting the final) and 3 or 4 in 3/4 other cities.

The other 3/4 can be downsized post World Cup.

Argentina will put up the rest by having stadiums in 7 cities. Buenos Aires will host the opening, in either the existing Estadio Monumental (upgraded to 60,000+) or a new stadium.

hngcm

April 2nd, 2011, 11:14 PM

The Americas will get 2026 or 2030,but not both.

Everybody knows this

Yup.

Europe and Asia can't bid for 2026 so it's almost guaranteed.

Then again I said the same thing about 2022...:(

cornelinho

April 3rd, 2011, 12:47 AM

Nort

April 3rd, 2011, 03:46 AM

I don´t think so ¿Spain? ¿england?

Cirdan

April 4th, 2011, 11:14 PM

logic...

as Europe and Asia can't bid for 2026 and Oceania having no potential hosting nation, South america would not have other bidders... Brazil can't bid arg&urg go for 2030 and the others are not wchosting material... that means that nourth america and africa will get 2026... the problem being that europe wil be eligible for 2030 and its more pisible tos see the 2030wc in europe then south america

I believe the anniversary may be a strong enough argument to get it.

I doubt the no-2-consecutive-times-in-America is true, btw, and it's definitely nothing "everybody knows". FIFA goes by continental organisations. Quatar and Russia will be way closer to each other than Argentina and the US would be.

gonzabar_77

April 4th, 2011, 11:23 PM

For me

Buenos Aires (opening)
Córdoba
Rosario
Mendoza
Tucumán
Mar del Plata
Rivera-Maldonado
Punta del Este
Montevideo (final)

The most probable host cities.

Cirdan

April 5th, 2011, 04:42 PM

Nort

April 5th, 2011, 07:47 PM

Punta del este!!

MS20

April 6th, 2011, 05:38 AM

Only in football can we talk about events 20 years down the line.

It's hard to envisage what any of these countries will look like in two decades. What might seem a certainty now (and vice versa) may not by then. As always though its fun to speculate. Copa America will also have a considerable impact on how infrastructure looks like til that point. Personally, as unlikely as it might be now, I'd like to see Argentina co host with Paraguay, Chile or Bolivia.

Lord David

April 7th, 2011, 10:04 AM

This is roughly what I'd plan with:

Uruguay:

~60k Montevideo I (Centenario refurbished)
4 gs, incl opening match, R2, QF, SF
~40k Montevideo II (Gran Parque Central or new stadium)
4 gs, R2, 3rd place
~40k not Montevideo (new stadium, Salta, Melo, Las Piedras, Maldonado being options, depending on where they want to build the infrastructure - rail & road more than the actual stadium, which should have many temporary seats)
4 gs, R2

Argentina:
~80k Buenos Aires I (Monumental refurbished)
4 gs, R2, SF, F
~55k Córdoba (Mario Kempes refurbished?)
4 gs, R2, QF
~50k Buenos Aires II (La Bombonera refurbished or one of the many other stadia)
5 gs, QF
~40-55k Rosario (Colos del Parque refurbished or reconstructed)
5 gs, R2
~40-55k North (brand new stadium in Tucumán, Jujuy, Salta or Corrientes)
5 gs, QF
~45k Avellaneda (Independiente, possibly one of the others refurbished/reconstructed)
4 gs, R2
~40k La Plata (Unico)
4 gs, R2
~40k Mendoza (Malvinas Argentinas refurbished)
5 gs, R2

So that makes:

3 Uru stadiums, 8 in Argentina.

I'd give the opening match to Uruguay, not the final, partly because Argentina is the big partner, but also because I think it makes much more sense to have the "return to the origins" theme in the beginning of the tournament with the opening ceremony and all, and just concentrate on the football in the final.

2 groups, 3 2nd round matches, a quarter, a semi and the 3rd place match in Uruguay, meaning 18 of 64 matches, works well with 3 of 11 stadia. Slightly skewed towards knock-out matches, but then, Argentina gets the final.

I know the Argentinan stadia are skewed towards Buenos Aires with 2 stadia in the city, another in greater BA and one in La Plata, but that's where the big clubs are, and while they are in no condition to contribute to stadium construction now, I think they'll have to be involved in 6-8 years if the bid wants to stand a chance. If they aren't, we can replace Avellaneda with another northern stadium and Rosario with Santa Fe (provincial capital) and they'll probably leave out La Bombonera as well, after all it was never used for a big international tournament.

Nope, I would still like to see Uruguay put up more stadiums. Just look at Qatar, they can do it.

Have Uruguay host 5 stadiums in 4-5 cities, which would be downsized post WC. The historic Centenario in Montevideo should be chosen as the final venue period (for obvious dual symbolic reasons), where the opening match should be held in Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires, where it could either see a total reconstruction (keep the track as it's the national stadium and for any prospective Olympics (though didn't they propose a purpose built athletics stadium for their 2004 Summer Olympics bid?), or a modest expansion, the first option would probably be preferred, assuming it's not got some sort of historic building status or something.

You got 7 Argentine stadiums in 6-7 cities.

This could work, and would allow Uruguay to offer more than simply being there for historic reasons. The population and country size difference will be taken into account and more venues in Uruguayan cities and towns will give more exposure to the small country.

Cirdan

April 7th, 2011, 01:16 PM

Nope, I would still like to see Uruguay put up more stadiums. Just look at Qatar, they <i>can</i> do it.

Have Uruguay host 5 stadiums in 4-5 cities, which would be downsized post WC. The historic Centenario in Montevideo should be chosen as the final venue period (for obvious dual symbolic reasons), where the opening match should be held in Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires, where it could either see a total reconstruction (keep the track as it's the national stadium and for any prospective Olympics (though didn't they propose a purpose built athletics stadium for their 2004 Summer Olympics bid?), or a modest expansion, the first option would probably be preferred, assuming it's not got some sort of historic building status or something.

You got 7 Argentine stadiums in 6-7 cities.

This could work, and would allow Uruguay to offer more than simply being there for historic reasons. The population and country size difference will be taken into account and more venues in Uruguayan cities and towns will give more exposure to the small country.

Uruguays government is not a set of oil billionaires. I doubt very much that it is an option to have them build 5 stadiums complying with FIFA standards and the necessary airports, railways and hotels. If they can do that, I'm fine with 5 or even 6 stadia in Uruguay, but I'd be very surprised, and I don't think I'd be fine with it if I'd pay taxes in Uruguay.

Regarding opening match and final, I still believe that having the opening match in Uruguay will come across much more symbolic than the final. The week leading up to the tournament is where everybody looks at the host cities, host stadiums, the history etc, the participants of the opening match are overshadowed by the start of the event. Having the opening ceremony and match in the Centenario really allows to play on the return-to-the-roots-theme. The final is the other way around, everybody talks about the teams, their way to the final, which one is better... the host city hardly matters anymore.

For history books, it might look nice to have the final in Uruguay again, but I really think that at the time it happens, having the tournament returning to Uruguay in the opening match would be the better symbol.

kerouac1848

April 7th, 2011, 09:12 PM

^^Yeah, the opening match makes more sense if Uruguay is primarily concerned about celebrating 100 years of the WC.

5-6 is excessive. 3 is about right, with one in Rivera as suggested a few pages down. It could follow the Cuiaba model and downsize to somewhere between 18-25,000, depending upon the needs. 4 would be a stretch, but is potentially possible. Argentina gets 8 (and thus 7 host cities), as you said.

The structure and governance of domestic football in Argentina needs a massive shake up though. It's right mess.

bolsouru

April 10th, 2011, 05:46 AM

Uruguay
montevideo two stadium centenario and gran parque central
punta del este two stadium thats all uruaguay can do

cornelinho

April 10th, 2011, 08:18 PM

vamos a madrid...

RobH

April 11th, 2011, 02:32 PM

Just so you know what you're letting yourselves in for. I hope your bid team has deep pockets and no scruples...

FIFA's Jack Warner Accused of Seeking England World Cup Bid Favours

The leaders of England’s failed bid to host the 2018 World Cup were asked by FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to pay for an education centre in his native Trinidad during the bid process.

The Times newspaper alleges that Warner twice asked England’s World Cup bid leaders about funding for facilities on the island, in London in October 2009 and again while a high-profile delegation visited Trinidad at the time of a Caribbean Football Union dinner last February.

Under FIFA rules bid nations were prohibited from offering gifts or other incentives to delegates.

English Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards told The Times that over drinks at a London hotel following the 2009 Leaders in Football conference, Warner asked him and former FA and World Cup bid chairman David Triesman for funds to build the education centre.

"He didn't say: 'Do this and I'll vote for you'," said Richards.

"But it was always at the back of my mind. I did nod my head at Triesman as if to say: Let's not get into this.

"What he said was England should be building this kind of education block as a legacy throughout the world. He did say Trinidad and Tobago wanted one. He said it was an education set-up that he wanted for the children of Trinidad and Tobago.”

Triesman confirmed to The Times the meeting at Chelsea’s Wyndham Grand Hotel, saying that Warner was told that it was “absolutely out of the question".

But Warner was apparently not dissuaded.

Four months later, David Dein, who was now England bid international president, visited Trinidad with bid CEO Andy Anson and bid ambassador David Ginola for the Caribbean Football Union gala dinner, which England 2018 partly funded.

The following day Warner took some of the England 2018 delegation to the village of Longdenville near the island’s capital, Port of Spain. Warner showed them a dilapidated sports facility that local councillors had petitioned Warner to redevelop.

Plans for a T$13million ($2million) complex comprising a football field, cricket pitch, changing rooms, toilets and a swimming pool had been drawn up.

In the view of some local media, Warner asked the delegation, according to The Times, “to at least help get the project started with a financial donation". A microphone was handed to David Dein who said that he would see what he could do.

Funding for the facility by England 2018 was reported in the Trinidadian media as a fait accompli, but England bid sources have always maintained that nothing was ever promised or given.

Warner denied, with typical vigour, the allegations made in today’s paper, telling The Times that the meeting never took place.

"I don't know what you are talking about," he was quoted by AFP.

"Why should I ask David Freestone [sic] or somebody for some offices here? Why should I? To do what? It doesn't make sense."

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34264

Chimbanha

April 11th, 2011, 09:41 PM

Nope, I would still like to see Uruguay put up more stadiums. Just look at Qatar, they can do it.

Qatar hosting a World Cup is one of the most ridiculous thoughts I've seen become true in my life. It's not a standard and can't be compared to Uruguay or any other country in the world. Uruguay can only have one stadium with 60k+ capacity if it is concerned about legacy.

Honestly, after the 2018/2022 hosts elections, Uruguay and Argentina should withdraw until there is some serious restructuring within FIFA. That goes to all serious country that have some kind of respect towards their contributor's tax money.

cejon

April 12th, 2011, 01:57 AM

por que uruguay tan pocos en el mudial de corea-japon se utilizaron 20 estadios, 10 en corea y otros 10 en japon.

COREA
Seúl:Capacidad: 68.476
Daegu:Capacidad: 66.422
Busan:Capacidad: 55.983
Incheon:Capacidad: 52.179
Ulsan:Capacidad: 43.550
Suwon:Capacidad: 43.959
Gwangju:Capacidad: 44.118
Jeonju:Capacidad: 42.477
Daejeon:Capacidad: 40.535
Seogwipo:Capacidad: 42.256

JAPON:
Yokohama:Capacidad: 72.327
Saitama:Capacidad: 63.700
Shizuoka:Capacidad: 50.889
Osaka:Capacidad: 50.000
Miyagi:Capacidad: 49.133
Ōita:Capacidad: 43.000
Niigata:Capacidad: 42.300
Ibaraki:Capacidad: 42.000
Kobe:Capacidad: 42.000
Sapporo:Capacidad: 53.845

Nort

April 16th, 2011, 06:02 PM

And what about Salto?

Cirdan

April 17th, 2011, 01:48 AM

@Cejon: Please speak English, I don't speak Spanish and it's hard to make sense of googles translation of your post...

Regarding to why not as many as Japan/South Korea:

1st: Someone has to pay for the stadia and the infrastructure in host cities. Japan is not even comparable, and even South Korea is slightly bigger than Argentina, with more than double the GDP per capita. Not to speak of the tiny and not-too-well-off Uruguay.

2nd: Those were too many, anyway. The stadia and host cities weren't used enough to really be remembered, and it cost a lot.

anref2001

April 28th, 2011, 08:50 AM

I see that Paraguay also want to make a world cup?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecci%C3%B3n_de_la_sede_de_la_Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol#Copa_Mundial_de_F.C3.BAtbol_de_2030

julian akd villegas

April 30th, 2011, 08:18 PM

nuevo estadio en misiones (CATARAS DEL IGUAZU)

CarlosBlueDragon

May 1st, 2011, 07:24 PM

Nort

May 6th, 2011, 12:29 AM

RobH

May 8th, 2011, 04:02 PM

A little bit more about what to expect when you bid:

"Give me a knighthood and I'll vote for you" FIFA member tells England 2018

A voting member of FIFA's Executive Committee asked for a knighthood in exchange for backing England's bid to stage the 2018 World Cup, The Sunday Times newspaper reported today.

Paraguay's Nicolas Leoz, President of the South American Football Confederation (CONMEBOL) and one of the most powerful men in the game, is alleged to have raised the question of being knighted at a meeting with England officials in November, 2009...

It seems almost certain that members of Parliament will raise the new claims about Leoz when they examine the failure of England's bid at a public hearing on Tuesday (May 10).

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/worldcup/bids/england/9161-qgive-me-a-knighthood-and-ill-vote-for-youq-fifa-member-tells-england-2018

Pepe potamo

May 14th, 2011, 02:28 PM

Pepe potamo

May 14th, 2011, 02:31 PM

I see that Paraguay also want to make a world cup?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecci%C3%B3n_de_la_sede_de_la_Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol#Copa_Mundial_de_F.C3.BAtbol_de_2030

paraguay can't host a world cup, just take a look to the copa america they host. they have no stadiums, no big cities, no transportation. it would be a really bad a idea.
Argentina and Uruguay can have chance because of the 100th anniversary.

RobH

May 14th, 2011, 02:47 PM

oh my godddddd, you english are such a bad losers! accept it, you lost, russia won. ACCEPT IT!

Look, for the 50,000th time, I accept Russia won - as do most others here - and I hope they put on a great world cup. I've said so many times since they won the hosting rights.

But I don't accept the way FIFA is run, with several questionable figures in its ExCo, several accusations of corruption over the past decade, no real recourse for investigating such actions properly, a very shoddily run world cup bidding process which even Blatter is looking now to change (though his changes seem pretty pointless given the ExCo reamins the same and all-powerful). Do some proper reading around the subject as I have rather than making silly accusations and I'm almost certain you'll agree with me.

If Uruguay and Argentina want to bid, they ought to know exactly what they're letting themselves in for. That's not a slight against Russia in any way and I wish them all the best with their world cup.

But as long as FIFA is as corrupt and medieval as it currently is, I don't see why my bringing the subject up in World Cup threads is a problem, unless like Blatter you want things swept under the carpet.

Lord David

May 14th, 2011, 02:59 PM

Russia won and rightly so. Qatar on the other hand...

Lord David

May 14th, 2011, 03:03 PM

seba93

May 14th, 2011, 10:20 PM

I see that Paraguay also want to make a world cup?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecci%C3%B3n_de_la_sede_de_la_Copa_Mundial_de_F%C3%BAtbol#Copa_Mundial_de_F.C3.BAtbol_de_2030

no, thats some joke

sansoplotteados

August 1st, 2011, 08:29 PM

Creo que con un estadio en Uruguay sobra y el resto en Argentina. Uruguay debe avanzar mucho en infraestructura a todo nivel para ser sede de un mundial y en poco mas de 18 años no veo una mejora.
En Argentina también nos falta pero vamos progresando y tenemos el poder económico y los recursos para hacerlo cosa que a Uruguay le falta. Lo bueno sería hacer esa copa con Chile que es mucho mas viable además de ser un país hermoso pero la gracia está en hacerlo con Uruguay por los 100 años del primer mundial.

anref2001

August 1st, 2011, 11:11 PM

Mr.Bennish

September 1st, 2011, 10:42 AM

Uruguay and Argentina would be very much like Athens' bid for the 1996 Centennial Olympics. It would be more symbolic than functional, as much like Athens at the time, Uruguay and Argentina would have some stadiums, but need to build more and more-so need to invest in infrastructure based development.

It could also be criticized in the fact that Argentina would be picking up Uruguay's burden in hosting most of the cities and venues. Uruguay should have ideally IMO at least 4-5 stadiums in 4-5 cities, even if they are downsized post World Cup, with Argentina hosting 7-8 in 7 cities. Not a mere 2-10 venue/city approach.

^^After seen this year Copa America you can serious wonder how is the real potential of Argentina’s stadiums for a World Cup, cause while there were two very nice stadiums such Estadio Unico de la Plata and Chateau Carreras, every single other stadium was a huge disappointment; dirt everywhere, dangerous fences, without chairs whatsoever, outrageous toilets, et centera. All of these was especially dreadful during the final game in River´s stadium, which throughout a raining day you will need a umbrella if you will spend time indoors cause of leaks everywhere due lack of maintenance in the whole building.

sansoplotteados

October 8th, 2011, 07:11 PM

Boriska

October 8th, 2011, 07:48 PM

Uruguay + Argentina is an interesting mix ;)

*SFCboy*

October 9th, 2011, 12:46 AM

i think that they will propose the next venues:
uruguay: montevideo one, montevideo two, ciudad del este, and maldonado, may be colonia too; and argentina will be: buenos aires, avellaneda, mar del plata, mendoza, cordoba, and rosario.

JuanCA.-

October 9th, 2011, 12:55 AM

Ciudad del este? ...
The city is Punta del Este and Avellaneda is in the Greater Buenos Aires I prefer Patagonic city! :cheers:

Lord David

October 9th, 2011, 09:40 AM

MS20

October 9th, 2011, 12:50 PM

^Sorry, but that is insanely ridiculous. Uruguay is a country of 3 million people, half of which reside in Montevideo. The next biggest city, as of 2004 census, had approximately 99,000 people!

One stadium in Montevideo would be all that Uruguay could offer to any potential World Cup hosting arrangement with Argentina.

Any other venue in Uruguay would be held in cities of sub 100k people. Even if you build temporary stands/seats/stadiums, how would such a city/town/village deal with everything that is required of a host city? You haven't put much thought into it.

Portugal/Spain is the same. Outside of Lisbon and Oporto, you are looking at villages. 2 host cities is all Portugal is capable of handling.

A WC venue in Montevideo (or Lisbon/Oporto in the other case) is basically good enough for Uruguayans to be happy with co-hosting. They wouldn't feel excluded because the country is so Montevideo-centric.

Lord David

October 10th, 2011, 08:26 AM

^^ How is it ridiculous when, Qatar a country with a population of around 1 million, is hosting the 2022 World Cup with proposed downsized stadiums?

Granted they have the wealth, but you should note the population growth that can occur by 2030 and the downsized stadium proposal anyways (for Uruguay).

MS20

October 10th, 2011, 10:40 AM

Do we really need to get into why Qatar vs Uruguay is a horrible comparison? Montevideo is the ONLY place in Uruguay capable of being a host venue. The logistics alone rule out any of those other towns. Qatar is doing something that will never be replicated again; for good reason.

Also, population growth is irrelevant. The only population movement in Uruguay will be more people streaming in from small towns into an expanding Montevideo. Countries roughly the size of Uruguay, of which there are many, are concentrated around their capital cities. Everything flows through them; they are the cornerstone of all economic, political, social, etc activity in those countries. The Uruguayan population is not expected to grow that much either.

Montevideo is a capable host. The small towns could get involved by hosting teams during their stay. But thats about it. 4 venues, especially with Argentina as a co-host, would be outrageous, especially when Argentina could host one easily by itself.

TEBC

October 11th, 2011, 05:32 AM

Now that FIFA will change de bid election from the 24 members vote to all 208 member, what u guys think will probably happen?

masterchivas

October 11th, 2011, 06:40 AM

^^ No se confundan, Argentina hoy en día tiene capacidad de sobra para organizar un mundial y en 20 años lo será aún más. Los estadios de la última Copa América estaban bastante bien y si no estaban mejor es porque la Conmebol no exigió mas y los argentinos somos de hacer las cosas hasta donde nos exigen.
Si Sudáfrica lo hizo hace un año nosotros podemos ser muy superiores en todo sentido y mi duda es el socio que elegimos (Uruguay) para hacerlo, si estará a la altura llegado el momento porque hoy por hoy está a años luz de organizar algo de semejante envergadura.

jajaja dudando de uruguay... Montevideo sería una sede importantísima en esa Copa jeje

Argentino tenias que ser... un chiste simpatico al respecto:

Porque cuando hay relámpagos todos los Argentinos salen a mirar el cielo?
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corredor06

October 11th, 2011, 07:12 AM

Uruguay should be offering more and 2030 is still a while away.

What always bugged me about Portugal and Spain's 2018 bid was it was so lopsided. Even taking the size and population of the 2 countries into account, Portugal should have really offered more than just 2 stadiums.

So for an Argentina-Uruguay bid, it should be ideally 5 Uruguayan venues and 7 Argentinian ones, or 4 to 8. Montevideo should host the final, as it should be and should ideally just be 1 venue. Have 3 or 4 venues in other Uruguayan cities, even if they don't need the long term legacy of large stadiums. Just downsize post WC.

Montevideo and Punta del Este are the only two cities that can host the matches given that one is a city of 1 million, and the other a very touristic city that has the hotel infrastructure to accommodate the crowds. I agree that Montevideo should host the final match.

sansoplotteados

October 18th, 2011, 11:20 PM

jajaja dudando de uruguay... Montevideo sería una sede importantísima en esa Copa jeje

Argentino tenias que ser... un chiste simpatico al respecto:

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Soy argentino y vivo en Concordia (Argentina) justo en la frontera con Uruguay frente a la ciudad uruguaya de Salto. Conozco mi país y conozco Uruguay por eso pienso como pienso....Uruguay ni en cien años está preparado para hacer frente a semejante inversión, es un país prácticamente sin recursos y si no fijate Brasil que para su mundial en menos de tres años vienen atrasadísimos con las obras y tienen mil problemas siendo una gigantesca potencia mundial (Económica aclaremos).
Se que mi comentario suena a "argentino soberbio" pero Uruguay tiene un gran atraso en todo sentido como nación como para embarcarse en un proyecto de semejante envergadura. Creo que si se hace no van a haber mas de dos estadios en ese país y el resto será todo en Argentina.
En Argentina en este momento se está invirtiendo millones y millones de dólares en autopistas y obras similares y en Uruguay ni tapan los baches de las rutas....19 años pasan rapidísimo y Uruguay YA debería empezar a mejorar su infraestructura vial si quiere hacer algo mas grande de lo que yo me imagino pero el problema es que NO TIENEN CON QUÉ...ese es el problema aunque suene soberbio de mi parte
Para que tengas una idea de lo que digo: La ciudad de Salto que queda frente a mi ciudad es la segunda ciudad uruguaya y 150 kilómetros al sur está la tercera ciudad uruguaya que es Paysandú...entre esas dos ciudades "tan importantes" los puentes son de hace mas de cien años en las rutas, uno va en el auto y tenés que esperar que pase primero el que viene de frente por que los dos autos no pasan juntos...son puentes de la época de las carretas y esa es la infraestructura actual entre esas ciudades....del resto ni hablemos...imaginatelo.

JuanCA.-

October 19th, 2011, 12:06 AM

^^ Pero no podríamos hacer obras en conjunto? (sobre todo ayudarlos con la construcción de otros estadios) e infraestructura de transporte

cuitron

October 19th, 2011, 12:20 AM

Soy argentino y vivo en Concordia (Argentina) justo en la frontera con Uruguay frente a la ciudad uruguaya de Salto. Conozco mi país y conozco Uruguay por eso pienso como pienso....Uruguay ni en cien años está preparado para hacer frente a semejante inversión, es un país prácticamente sin recursos y si no fijate Brasil que para su mundial en menos de tres años vienen atrasadísimos con las obras y tienen mil problemas siendo una gigantesca potencia mundial (Económica aclaremos).
Se que mi comentario suena a "argentino soberbio" pero Uruguay tiene un gran atraso en todo sentido como nación como para embarcarse en un proyecto de semejante envergadura. Creo que si se hace no van a haber mas de dos estadios en ese país y el resto será todo en Argentina.
En Argentina en este momento se está invirtiendo millones y millones de dólares en autopistas y obras similares y en Uruguay ni tapan los baches de las rutas....19 años pasan rapidísimo y Uruguay YA debería empezar a mejorar su infraestructura vial si quiere hacer algo mas grande de lo que yo me imagino pero el problema es que NO TIENEN CON QUÉ...ese es el problema aunque suene soberbio de mi parte
Para que tengas una idea de lo que digo: La ciudad de Salto que queda frente a mi ciudad es la segunda ciudad uruguaya y 150 kilómetros al sur está la tercera ciudad uruguaya que es Paysandú...entre esas dos ciudades "tan importantes" los puentes son de hace mas de cien años en las rutas, uno va en el auto y tenés que esperar que pase primero el que viene de frente por que los dos autos no pasan juntos...son puentes de la época de las carretas y esa es la infraestructura actual entre esas ciudades....del resto ni hablemos...imaginatelo.

que barbarooooo me quiero ir a vivir al primer mundo ese que hablan. aguante la villa atras de la cancha de san lorenzo loco!!! dejaaaaaaaaaaaa...nadie vio la otra cara del mundial de sud africa??? aca con montevideo y punta del este alcanza y sobra...tampoco pretendo 5 sedes...le paso la responsabilidad al primer mundo del que me hablan...uds si que pueden.:nuts:

preservarbuenosaires

October 19th, 2011, 12:22 AM

Si Sudafrica pudo hacerlo, por que no Urguay?

Tampoco tiene que hacer 50 estadios estratosfericos.

Punta del Este y Montevideo tienen buena capacidad hotelera que seguramente hay que renovar (sobre todo en la capital) pero existe.

Tampoco hay que hacer un mega aeropuerto ni nada del estilo. En San Pablo y Londres estan haciendo terminales temporarias preconstruidas por poco dinero.

Se pueden jugar la mayoria de los partidos en Argentina y algunos en Uruguay.
El primer mundial del mundo no fue ahi?
No estaria bueno otra vez una final en el Centenario???

Muchas cosas que hacen otros paises son para la galeria, no propiamente para el mundial.
Para mi las obras especificas del mundial se tienen que hacer lo mas baratas posibles, si no pasa como en SA que quedo en lugar de super hospitales y universidad gratuita tiene tremendos estadios y casi nada mas.

No hay que olvidarse que SA tiene casi un 50% menos pbi per capita que Argentina y 30% menos que Uruguay. Y encima tiene una de las peores distribuciones de la riqueza del mundo.

sansoplotteados

October 19th, 2011, 09:06 PM

que barbarooooo me quiero ir a vivir al primer mundo ese que hablan. aguante la villa atras de la cancha de san lorenzo loco!!! dejaaaaaaaaaaaa...nadie vio la otra cara del mundial de sud africa??? aca con montevideo y punta del este alcanza y sobra...tampoco pretendo 5 sedes...le paso la responsabilidad al primer mundo del que me hablan...uds si que pueden.:nuts:

Aclaremos que en Barcelona y Madrid que pertenecen al primer mundo hay villas miserias también...
Primero: jamás dije que Argentina es primer mundo y desde ya que también va a ser muy difícil para nosotros (está siendo complicado para Brasil), Segundo: si decís que con Punta del Este y Montevideo alcanza y sobra me estás dando la razón en cierta manera cuando digo que Uruguay debería presentar dos sedes y el resto todo en Argentina.
De todas maneras sostengo que HOY POR HOY Uruguay está lejos de tener una economía que pueda hacer frente a tal organización y por supuesto que en 19 años van a crecer y mejorar pero por ahí los recursos los van a invertir en aspectos mas importantes que en un mundial que dura un mes.
Está claro que todas las mejoras que conlleve el mundial luego le queda al país pero la guita tiene que salir de algún lado y el tiempo corre.

preservarbuenosaires

October 19th, 2011, 09:22 PM

Me parece que justamente seguis sin entender lo principal.

1. Uruguay no lo haria solo, sino con Argentina. (yo hubiera hecho ARG, Chile, URU)

2. La economia de Uruguay esta bien, solo que tiene otras prioridades. Si no es como Rio que entras por una aeropuerto impresionante (el mas grande de AMLAT cuando lo hicieron), un super estadio y despues 250km de villas (literalmente) hasta llegar a Angra. Uruguay tiene muchas mas demandas sociales que por ej Brasil o Sudafrica. Por eso tendria que hacer esfuerzos, pero economicamente es viable que Uruguay tenga dos sedes.

De todos modos, por como se otorgan las copas del mundo ultimamente veo practicamente imposible que se la den a ARG-URU. Pesa mas lo politico y nosotros somos paises sin grandes objetivos internacionales. De hecho Sudafrica con mucho menor PBI per capita y un pesimo GINI, y menor crecimiento es parte de los BRICS; y Brasil siempre quiso tener mas relevancia mundial e historicamente se enfoca a eso como con la creacion de Brasilia, su pretension de estar en el CdS de NU, etc etc etc.

preservarbuenosaires

October 19th, 2011, 09:23 PM

Sorry, I saw the last posts and didn't know the thread was in English.

Next posts ONLY IN ENGLISH!

Malka4re

October 20th, 2011, 10:29 AM

the World Cup in the countryhttp://www.webcohosting.com/frankaz2.jpg
http://www.webcohosting.com/myjs.jpg
http://www.webcohosting.com/frankht.jpg

ezekelin12

December 11th, 2011, 10:59 PM

is a good chance whe get a world cup in argentina and uruguay in 2030, but all depends that argentinians clubs make something whit they stadiums,(bombonera,monumental,el gigante, independiente and cilindro) whe can give old stadiums,and definitely whe can give stadiums whitout sits,if whe dont make this true about the way whe see football,forgive the world cup,
whe got story but is nescesary good infrastructure too.

at my opinion the only stadium whit the requirements standards is "unico de la plata stadium",the others need big changes.

but beeing positive whe got 18 years for get the proyects,financial and organizated the remodelation and construction,that probably get some like 2 or 3 years of work.

ryebreadraz

December 11th, 2011, 11:56 PM

ezekelin12

December 13th, 2011, 05:33 AM

Most every country can get the stadiums together for a World Cup, but how is the transportation in cities in Argentina and Uruguay and how is the transportation from city to city? That's what concerns me most (real question because I don't know, not trolling).

dont worry is a good question...mmmm depends of the the city,in Bs As you can take the bus (the more comun transport in this country) or the train,the subterranean train or taxis.
if you are in Jujuy just bus and taxi because is considerably more smaller than Bs As-

The bus:they make some intercity circuit,generally from one "Barrio" or "partido" (name for suburbians and towns in Argentina)to another,just like evry another of the citys in the wolrd.

http://www.google.com.ar/imgres?q=colectivo+bs+as&um=1&hl=es&sa=N&biw=1399&bih=779&tbm=isch&tbnid=uKTtCtgL6PRkUM:&imgrefurl=http://oliviacastrocranwell.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/los-colectivos-de-buenos-aires/&docid=ltGgrXGPX1AZoM&imgurl=http://oliviacastrocranwell.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/colectivo_de_buenos_aires.jpg&w=1024&h=694&ei=ntvmTri1IInftgeI4sDpCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=174&vpy=95&dur=9370&hovh=185&hovw=273&tx=155&ty=80&sig=111757930179804600543&page=1&tbnh=127&tbnw=182&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0

for example,in the image you can see the average trasport here,a bus, that says OLIVOS BOCA,that means that it goes from Olivos to "Barrio la Boca",just take it in one bus stop of the circuit of the Bus and get out in the place you want to go,not much science.

or just use a car,but got to warn you,the transit here is craaazzy!!!potentially dangerous,
is a problem that a lot of people here is concerned,so would not recomend you.

The trasportation between one city to other is not really a problem,in Argentina we use some kind of buses of long distance that makes trips in all the country,theres a lot of companys that give this service,you can go from Bs As to Cordoba easily using this trasport,is less expensive,
but if you want you can use Aerolineas Argentinas (aircrafts) for travel in all around the country,for example again,you take a plane in Ezeiza BS As and go to Mendoza in question of one and middle hour.

in Uruguay probably they got the same system-

and....Terminals!!! Airports!!!!. not off toppic! XD

Mojeda101

December 14th, 2011, 03:39 AM

Take a good look at the stadiums of:

Independiente
Cordoba
La Plata
River

Four stadiums right there for the World Cup.

Bolsilludo

December 15th, 2011, 03:53 AM

The video is in spanish but I'm sure you can understand it:

bgRR7n9cJDM
YoungUruguay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgRR7n9cJDM)

:D

elgotitas

February 8th, 2012, 06:23 AM

Mujica, Lescano y Bauzá por mundial 2030

El presidente José Mujica se reunió con el ministro de Turismo Héctor Lescano y el presidente de la AUF Sebastián Bauzá por la organización del mundial 2030. Lescano dijo que están "claras las limitaciones, pero es un desafío que puede asumir". Uruguay organizaría un mundial juvenil para "demostrar que está preparado"./.../
(y acá la parte que me hace postear esto,primera vez que lo oigo-leo de parte de una autoridad, me estoy dando contra las paredes)
/.../El secretario de Estado afirmó que, "si bien el país tiene claras sus limitaciones, el actual perfil de la construcción de estadios es un desafío que el país puede asumir". En ese sentido, indicó que "tenemos el viejo y querido Estadio Centenario que va a necesitar arreglos", pero agregó que se impulsará el desarrollo de infraestructura en el interior del país./.../(continúa)

Más de la noticia acá: http://www.montevideo.com.uy/notnoticias_159818_1.html

Bolsilludo

February 8th, 2012, 06:14 PM

2030 World Cup: FIFA accepted Uruguay-Argentina bid (http://eldiario.com.uy/2012/02/07/mundial-2030-fifa-acepto-candidatura-de-uruguay-argentina/)

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Laurence2011

February 8th, 2012, 07:13 PM

^^ so they're definatly hosting?? if so

GREAT NEWS!!!!!! :cheers: :banana: :banana: :cheers1:

michał_

February 8th, 2012, 07:19 PM

^^ so they're definatly hosting?? if so

GREAT NEWS!!!!!! :cheers: :banana: :banana: :cheers1:

No, they're definately bidding only...

Laurence2011

February 8th, 2012, 07:22 PM

damn, always getting ahead of myself ha, oh well they should have the strongest bid and fully deserve to host

Bolsilludo

February 8th, 2012, 08:34 PM

damn, always getting ahead of myself ha, oh well they should have the strongest bid and fully deserve to host

:yes:

FAAN

February 8th, 2012, 09:14 PM

2014 Brazil
2018 Russia
2022 Qatar
2026 China or Portugal/Spain
2030 Uruguay/Argentina or United Kingdom

Bolsilludo

February 8th, 2012, 09:39 PM

2014 Brazil
2018 Russia
2022 Qatar
2026 China or Portugal/Spain
2030 Uruguay/Argentina or United Kingdom

No European or Asian country can host the 2026 World Cup because of the continental rotation rule.

For me is:

2026 USA
2030 Uruguay/Argentina

TEBC

February 8th, 2012, 09:43 PM

2014 Brazil
2018 Russia
2022 Qatar
2026 China or Portugal/Spain
2030 Uruguay/Argentina or United Kingdom

2026 will be for sure in Europe. Maybe UK, not sure about that. I think UK will be favorite after Italy/Germany/France already hosted recently and Spain may still be in crisis. some bids from Ukraine/Poland and Belgium/Netherlands may have a chance because of Euro, but I dont see any other country hosting it. It will be defenetly England (UK will be nicer).

China wont be ready, still lot to do, but they come stronger for 2034.

TEBC

February 8th, 2012, 09:48 PM

Just as a fact, before reaching Africa and Asia, the WC was like that:

30 - america
34 - europe
38 - europe
50 - america
54 - europe
58 - europe
62 - america
66 - europe
70 - america
74 - europe
78 - america
82 - europe
86 - america
90 - europe
94 - america
98 - europe
02 - asia
06 - europe
10 - africa
14 - america
18 - europe
22 - asia

should be:
26 - europe or africa
30 - america
34 - asia
38 - europe

SkyCA

February 8th, 2012, 09:56 PM

Uruguay-Argentina! :banana::cucumber::carrot: Great news!! :cheer::cheer:

Bolsilludo

February 8th, 2012, 11:01 PM

2026 will be for sure in Europe.

Impossible. No country can apply for a World Cup if its confederation was host in one of the two past editions. That's a FIFA rule.

3SPIRES

February 8th, 2012, 11:28 PM

I hope Uruguay and Argentina get WC2030 for sentimental reasons. 8 grounds in Argentina and 4 in Uruguay would be a good split. :cheers:

Impossible. No country can apply for a World Cup if its confederation was host in one of the two past editions. That's a FIFA rule.

FIFA change their rules all the time. :lol:

elgotitas

February 9th, 2012, 03:25 AM

I think last year was no longer applied rotation

jjjjj traductor de google, hola bolsilludo

Bolsilludo

February 9th, 2012, 03:48 AM

I think last year was no longer applied rotation

jjjjj traductor de google, hola bolsilludo

The old rotation rule no longer exist; however, now FIFA have a new rule that says that no country can apply for a World Cup if its confederation was host in one of the two past editions.

Hi elgotitas... :wave:

Walbanger

February 9th, 2012, 07:28 AM

damn, always getting ahead of myself ha, oh well they should have the strongest bid and fully deserve to host

That means sweet fuck all to FIFA

andydirk

February 9th, 2012, 01:29 PM

awesome!http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

TEBC

February 9th, 2012, 02:33 PM

Impossible. No country can apply for a World Cup if its confederation was host in one of the two past editions. That's a FIFA rule.

rotation ended after Qatar. The rules for 26/30 are yet to be established

TEBC

February 9th, 2012, 02:37 PM

I hope Uruguay and Argentina get WC2030 for sentimental reasons. 8 grounds in Argentina and 4 in Uruguay would be a good split. :cheers:

FIFA change their rules all the time. :lol:

Me too. For climate reasons I would stick with:

Buenos Aires (2) - Monumental y Bombonera
La Plata - Unico
Mar del Plata
Rosario
Santa Fé/Paraná
Cordoba
Mendoza

Montevideo (2)
Maldonado/Punta del Este
Salto

Bolsilludo

February 9th, 2012, 02:43 PM

rotation ended after Qatar. The rules for 26/30 are yet to be established

Source?

thicken

February 9th, 2012, 03:16 PM

this cup MUST be in argentina/uruguay, will be amazing, no doubts!

:)

RobH

February 9th, 2012, 08:07 PM

Source?

FIFA make these things up as they go along. If they think it's time for Europe again, they'll drop the rotation.

MS20

February 11th, 2012, 02:03 AM

Source?

It's well established that rotation is over. You don't need a source.

Archbishop

February 11th, 2012, 06:04 AM

USA shouldn't bid again after wasting our time last go around only to give it to Qatar.

chibetogdl

February 11th, 2012, 06:30 AM

would be a great world cup, but you realy have to improve the infraestrcuture, well, the stadiums, the only decent stadium its the one in la plata, "le estadio unico" and maybe some of the bids of the copa america

Bolsilludo

February 11th, 2012, 09:06 PM

USA shouldn't bid again after wasting our time last go around only to give it to Qatar.

I disagree. USA must bid for 2026, is its big chance!.

Laurence2011

February 12th, 2012, 12:07 AM

^^ I think Canada will bid, that'll be a stronger bid than the USA mainly due to the USA hosting in '94

TEBC

February 12th, 2012, 01:38 AM

^^ I think Canada will bid, that'll be a stronger bid than the USA mainly due to the USA hosting in '94

I dont think FIFA gives two in a roll to countries with no tradition on football:

94 - USA
98 - France

02 - Japan/Korea
06 - Germany

10 - South Africa
14 - Brazil

22 - Qatar
26 - ??

Laurence2011

February 12th, 2012, 06:23 PM

michał_

February 13th, 2012, 04:46 AM

^^ I don't see how this matters..
If Canada bid, they stand a fair chance, it's not like they don't play football is it?
And anyway isn't north america a good market to expand football? I thought that's what FIFA are all up on these days.
This would actually sound more like a disadvantage of Canada, which is not really a good market to expand football. Or not big enough. I don't agree that it would produce a similar increase as a US World Cup would. Arguably, Mexico might sound like a better candidate, especially with their new great stadiums that deserve international coverage (Guadalajara and Monterrey).

Not mentioning that where exactly would you see 10-12 stadiums of 40k+ in Canada?

TEBC

March 14th, 2012, 12:16 AM

Dont see Canada and India hosting it in near future

prahovaploiesti

March 15th, 2012, 09:41 PM

I dont think FIFA gives two in a roll to countries with no tradition on football:

94 - USA
98 - France

02 - Japan/Korea
06 - Germany

10 - South Africa
14 - Brazil

22 - Qatar
26 - ??

You forgot 2018 Russia.
How about for 2026:
China
Australia
USA
Canada
USA & Canada

So Argentina & Uruguay is a strong bid for 2030 if they can offer a good bid.

prahovaploiesti

March 15th, 2012, 09:47 PM

Not mentioning that where exactly would you see 10-12 stadiums of 40k+ in Canada?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_in_Canada

They have 2 60k+, 2 50k+ and 1 35k+ stadiums now.
That's 5 stadiums.
The bid is for 2026 or 2030 so there is time to build other stadiums.

Maty Imperial

March 16th, 2012, 12:15 AM

Ojala

Jim856796

October 18th, 2012, 03:33 PM

If Argentina hosted a FIFA World Cup, some of the stadiums may have to be reconstructed just to meet modern requirements/regulations. For the 2014 FIFA World Cup, Brazil is building/redeveloping 12 football stadiums to be all-seater, and some of them will have corporate boxes. On the other hand, a majority of Argentina's major (30,000+ capacity) football stadiums are decades old and are not all-seaters. La Plata is the most modern football stadium in Argentina, but its capacity as an all-seater is only 36,000, 4,000 short of the minimum a stadium needs to host FIFA WC matches.

If Argentina did host a FIFA World Cup in the future, which cities would have their stadiums reconstructed and which cities would need brand-new stadiums? (Minimum 8 stadiums, maximum 10; in this fantasy bid, two venues are being saved for Uruguay.)

TEBC

November 30th, 2012, 11:27 PM

FIFA officialy received the bid today

Naipesky

December 2nd, 2012, 02:42 AM

The bids are not coming too much in advance?

2030 is not exactly a near future. I cant predict anything of the world in this time.

Anyway, i suport the 100th back to Uruguai, and why not, also Argentina.

2026 is ok for China. FIFA want hosts with lots of money and few or malleable rules. http://i.imgur.com/tW2ft.gif

Laurence2011

December 2nd, 2012, 09:40 AM

RobH

December 2nd, 2012, 04:29 PM

Pulled out of what? This is way to early to be putting in a bid!! Really silly,

TEBC

December 2nd, 2012, 08:29 PM

Laurence2011

December 2nd, 2012, 10:41 PM

Pulled out of what? This is way to early to be putting in a bid!! Really silly,

Withdrawn it's intention to bid, although I did see this a couple of weeks back and can't find the wiki page of it now.. it also had LOADS of other potential bidding nations of the world cup 2026, 2030 and 2034

Laurence2011

December 11th, 2012, 01:27 AM

Withdrawn it's intention to bid, although I did see this a couple of weeks back and can't find the wiki page of it now.. it also had LOADS of other potential bidding nations of the world cup 2026, 2030 and 2034

slightly off topic but I found the wiki page regarding WC2026, I have no idea who made it or if it can be trusted, but take a look, still makes for some interesting reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EBB/2026_FIFA_World_Cup

EdooGdl

December 11th, 2012, 05:03 AM

sorry, but Argentina and Uruguay doesen´t have good enough stadiums to organize a FIFA World Cup except one or two for Argenitna and no one for Uruguay. Argentina just had a huge chance to build modern stadiums or make deep renovations in the last Copa America and they didn`t do it. This is just fantasy.

larsul

December 11th, 2012, 05:58 AM

good football countries... lack of infrastructure.. the stadiums are horrible except for La Plata and Maybe cordoba.. the rest are crap.. of course it is almost 20 years from now but i dont see how they can present a good bid.
Plus if you consider insecurity with the barras braves (they are way more dangerous than any european group) it would be high risk considering argentina games.. imagine if they loose to brasil or uruguay... they will trash everything like they did in river plate stadium after River plate went to B..
FIFA must consider a lot of elements if they choose this countries...

vitacit

December 11th, 2012, 08:21 AM

i highly welcome ARG-URU offer to organize WC ! in october i was i brasil and went to both URU and PAR. incomparable. didn't have time to go to ARG (i just saw ARG in foz do iguacu, hahaha))))...) but i might go there next year. it's still a lot of time for both the countries improve/build stadiums, infrastructure. i hope your countries will get it ! i was also thinking about the other countries with the potential to host WC. as FIFA is placing stronger and stronger conditions, only big "animals" (and rich ones, of course...) are able to host. my list is the following - usa, mexico, brasil, argentina, sout africa, australia, japan, south korea, china, arab emirates, russia, france, italy, germany, england (or united kingdom in the wider range), spain. those countries, in my opinion, are able to host WC withou any other partner. maybe columbia, canada, venezula (depends on petrodolars and hugo's good will) too. the co-organization could be run by arg+uru, arg+chile (i know there are some problems between both the countries regarding the border in andes but i'm not sure), aus+nzl, jap+kor (it was well organized WC), esp+por, eng+sco+wal.

CarlosBlueDragon

December 11th, 2012, 09:21 AM

^^

2030 Uruguay and Paraguay (mean same U&P-"guay") :lol:

Argentina would wait next 4years

2034 Argentina :D

2050 Chile or Colombia??

Fabri88

December 11th, 2012, 09:38 AM

slightly off topic but I found the wiki page regarding WC2026, I have no idea who made it or if it can be trusted, but take a look, still makes for some interesting reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EBB/2026_FIFA_World_Cup

I think that Uruguay(/Argentina) 2030 unless catastrophic natural and/or politic events occur is already the winning bid to celebrate 100 years of the FWC!

Then, previous WCs will be played in Brazil (South America, so West), Russia (Eastern Europe) and Qatar (Middle East).

Thinking about 2026 I really like the Chinese purposal. If not China then I would think to an African country to host the WC but obviously not Egypt due to the vicinity to Qatar (geographically and culturally). I would rather prefer a subsaharan country but aside of South Africa again I don't know what's the best country. Nigeria has a too high crime rate and has the Islamic terrorism plague. A tri-nations Botswana/Namibia/Angola would provide some "good" economies but aside of Angola the other nations are not football developed. Senegal is too small and too poor for a WC. Maybe Cameroon but it would be an extreme choice too.

vitacit

December 11th, 2012, 12:02 PM

i doubt any other african country except south africa would be able to host wc, build stadiums, infrastracture, hotels.... i mean, for wc, yes, but what will happened with all those huge stadiums after the wc ? only if the stadiums would be removable and sold somewhere else. but i still doubt about it....

I think that Uruguay(/Argentina) 2030 unless catastrophic natural and/or politic events occur is already the winning bid to celebrate 100 years of the FWC!

Then, previous WCs will be played in Brazil (South America, so West), Russia (Eastern Europe) and Qatar (Middle East).

Thinking about 2026 I really like the Chinese purposal. If not China then I would think to an African country to host the WC but obviously not Egypt due to the vicinity to Qatar (geographically and culturally). I would rather prefer a subsaharan country but aside of South Africa again I don't know what's the best country. Nigeria has a too high crime rate and has the Islamic terrorism plague. A tri-nations Botswana/Namibia/Angola would provide some "good" economies but aside of Angola the other nations are not football developed. Senegal is too small and too poor for a WC. Maybe Cameroon but it would be an extreme choice too.

TEBC

December 11th, 2012, 03:16 PM

TEBC

December 11th, 2012, 03:18 PM

Laurence2011

December 11th, 2012, 05:31 PM

Morroco can

was just about to say this, Morroco seem to really want the world cup having bidded for 1994, 1998, 2006, and 2010, I think they will be the next african nation to host.

EdooGdl

December 11th, 2012, 11:27 PM

Brazil didnt have any good stadiums for 2014. You dont need to have previosly to be a host, just have to build it.

Yes, but Brazil is the new ritch in the block. The macro economy of Argentina and Brazil are not at the same level. I know Arentina and Uruguay would build new stadiums but they must do the same in the last Copa America and Argentina didn´t do it. Argentina have a problem. The state doest´n do a good job building stadiums, like in the case of San Juan stadium, and the clubs neither does , like in the case of Libertadores de America stadium and even their best stadim (Ciudad de la Plata) take almost 13 years to finish it. The other problem is that the most of big stadiums are situated only in Buenos Aires and the other provinces have low population. Most of the argentinan clubs can´t afford a five star stadium, just look at River Plate and Boca Jrs stadiums, despite they are the ritches clubs in that country, and the bigger in America. Argentina and Uruguay needs to follow the model used in USA, Germany, Mexico, Turkey, Canada... etc to consist of let multinational corporation to inject money in the construction of world class stadiums.

TEBC

December 12th, 2012, 12:20 AM

Yes, but Brazil is the new ritch in the block. The macro economy of Argentina and Brazil are not at the same level. I know Arentina and Uruguay would build new stadiums but they must do the same in the last Copa America and Argentina didn´t do it. Argentina have a problem. The state doest´n do a good job building stadiums, like in the case of San Juan stadium, and the clubs neither does , like in the case of Libertadores de America stadium and even their best stadim (Ciudad de la Plata) take almost 13 years to finish it. The other problem is that the most of big stadiums are situated only in Buenos Aires and the other provinces have low population. Most of the argentinan clubs can´t afford a five star stadium, just look at River Plate and Boca Jrs stadiums, despite they are the ritches clubs in that country, and the bigger in America. Argentina and Uruguay needs to follow the model used in USA, Germany, Mexico, Turkey, Canada... etc to consist of let multinational corporation to inject money in the construction of world class stadiums.

Brazil may be in a good economic position but Argentina and Uruguay has a better infrastructure than Brazil. Besides SP, Argentinean roads are better an Montevideos airport is better than any Brazilian stadium.

Copa America is a low class tornament that usually dont have moden stadiums as host

Fabri88

December 12th, 2012, 11:01 AM

was just about to say this, Morroco seem to really want the world cup having bidded for 1994, 1998, 2006, and 2010, I think they will be the next african nation to host.

Yes but I also think that no FWC will be played in Africa before 2040s

2006 Europe
2010 Africa
2014 South America
2018 Europe
2022 Asia (West)
2026 Europe or Asia (East)
2030 South America
2034 Asia (East) or Europe
2038 North America
2042 Europe or Africa
2046 Africa or Europe

* In Asia (East) is included Australia too.

Fabri88

December 12th, 2012, 11:28 AM

TEBC

December 12th, 2012, 12:13 PM

If Argentina/Uruguay would be the choice, what do you think about putting the town of Ushuaia in the list?

It would be freaking amazing to see some FWC matches played in the southernmost town in the world!

Never going to happen, Ushuaia is too cold and the games are played duing the winter. The confirmed cities for sure:

Buenos Aires
Cordoba
Mendoza
Rosario
Montevideo

Maybe:
Maldonado
Rivera
Paysandu
Salto
Salta
San juan
La Plata
Santa Fe
Mar del plata

Bezzi

December 12th, 2012, 03:31 PM

Yes but I also think that no FWC will be played in Africa before 2040s

2006 Europe
2010 Africa
2014 South America
2018 Europe
2022 Asia (West)
2026 Europe or Asia (East)
2030 South America
2034 Asia (East) or Europe
2038 North America
2042 Europe or Africa
2046 Africa or Europe

* In Asia (East) is included Australia too.

You have to take into consideration the current FIFA rules where a confederation which hosted the world cup can't bid again for the next two editions. So in 2026 may not be in Europe. As South America will wait until 2030, then it's almost certain that will be in North America (probably USA). That's why don't think 2030 is guaranteed in South America. The world cup will be a long time away from Europe and european countries will be free to bid.

My bet:

2018 Europe
2022 Asia
2026 North America
2030 South America (or Europe)
2034 Europe (or South America)
2038 Africa or Asia

fabri421

December 12th, 2012, 03:42 PM

Never going to happen, Ushuaia is too cold and the games are played duing the winter. The confirmed cities for sure:

Buenos Aires
Cordoba
Mendoza
Rosario
Montevideo

Maybe:
Maldonado
Rivera
Paysandu
Salto
Salta
San juan
La Plata
Santa Fe
Mar del plata

La plata has no new stadium? I think that this town must be in the top list

Bezzi

December 12th, 2012, 03:50 PM

Brazil may be in a good economic position but Argentina and Uruguay has a better infrastructure than Brazil. Besides SP, Argentinean roads are better an Montevideos airport is better than any Brazilian stadium.

Copa America is a low class tornament that usually dont have moden stadiums as host

But the Copa America had been improving and the edition of Venezuela had a good level, with eight good stadiums. The minimum expected from Argentina was that at least the level was maintained, but what happened was a step back. And they didn't want this because Brazil would host the next edition. It was not good for their image. And yes, the economic factor has much weight. You as brazilian is seeing how FIFA increased their demands compared to 2010. The Maracanã will cost 1 billion, Corinthians Arena will cost 1 billion and other stadiums also had their costs raised. Honestly I cheer so much for another world cup here in South America but I see this bid from our dear neighbors as distant a dream.

TEBC

December 12th, 2012, 04:41 PM

I disagree, copa america in venezuela eas chaotic, held in unfinished stadiums

Naipesky

December 16th, 2012, 03:36 PM

TEBC

December 16th, 2012, 09:27 PM

would you guys like a WC Final at Birds nestW

Laurence2011

December 18th, 2012, 05:58 PM

would you guys like a WC Final at Birds nestW

I think it'd be a good venue, large capacity, but what's the view of the pitch like?

missioneiro

December 18th, 2012, 06:02 PM

I approve 2030 in Uruguay 100 years from WC, from where it begun

EdooGdl

December 18th, 2012, 10:46 PM

But the Copa America had been improving and the edition of Venezuela had a good level, with eight good stadiums. The minimum expected from Argentina was that at least the level was maintained, but what happened was a step back. And they didn't want this because Brazil would host the next edition. It was not good for their image. And yes, the economic factor has much weight. You as brazilian is seeing how FIFA increased their demands compared to 2010. The Maracanã will cost 1 billion, Corinthians Arena will cost 1 billion and other stadiums also had their costs raised. Honestly I cheer so much for another world cup here in South America but I see this bid from our dear neighbors as distant a dream.

Yes. Even Colombia do a better work by far improving stadiums for the las U20 World Cup. And this tournament its have a low level than Copa America.

TEBC

December 19th, 2012, 12:26 AM

Yes. Even Colombia do a better work by far improving stadiums for the las U20 World Cup. And this tournament its have a low level than Copa America.

I disagree, FIFA U20 WC has a high standard than copa america, it must fits tu FIFA rules.

Alanzeh

December 24th, 2012, 12:27 AM

For me these should be the stadiums of, if come true, the World Cup 2030 in Argentina / Uruguay :
REPUBLICA ORIENTEAL DE URUGUAY :
Centenário
New Peñarol Stadium or The Gran Parque Central
Rivera
Punta del Leste ( new )
ARGENTINA:
Monumental de Nuñez
La bombonera* or Stadium José Amalfitani
Libertadores de América or El Cilindro
Gigante de Arroyito or Parque Independência
Ciudad del Plata
Malvinas Argentinas

*I don't have any ideal about what is going to be with La bombonera, I don't know if Boca Juniors will buy the houses around the stadium or they will move to Casa Amarilla, anyway this legendary stadium ( or a new one ) should be in the WC

Gadiri

December 25th, 2012, 12:40 AM

^^
^^

"but I see this bid from our dear neighbors as distant a dream"

Haha, but as i said before, 2030 is enough distant. :tongue3:

1 - Time enough to build any infrastructure (besides the stadiuns, to be made just after the aproval)

2 - Time enough to football market turn richer and stadiun paralel business (like shows) turn greater. (Even if today both are big enough in Argentina).

3 - Time enough to both countries have disposal to expend billions of money (even if by external loans). Money never was and never will be a problem, but the disposal of the goverment and electorate.

4 - The confed rotation, even if considered so seriously until there, also dont forbid the bid:

2006 Europe Confed
2010 Africa Confed
2014 South America Confed
2018 Europe Confed
2022 Asia Confed
2026 Africa or North America Confed (but not Asia, if China dont concern and dont pay for change it)
2030 South America Confed
2034 Europe Confed
2038 Africa or North America Confed according 2026.
and go on, if there inst any new world war.

2026 : no bid of Europe and Asia
2030 : no bid of Asia

I explained that in french :

For 2026, it can not be an Asian country because they organize in 2022 in Qatar and a European country because there is Russia in 2018.

That leaves the possibility that the CONCACAF (North Am), the COMNEBOL (Am-South), Oceania (Australia fortunately joined to Asia) and Africa.

FIFA TV rights sold 2 WC. 2002 (Japan, Korea) -2006 (Germany), 2010 (South Africa) -2014 (Brazil), 2018 (Russia) -2022 (Qatar), 2026-2030. We know that European TVs are paying more for these rights. Therefore, the FIFA smart and greedy as it is, not let two cuts on the worlds take place outside timezones European countries. That's why all these chances Africa and Morocco in particular for 2026.

Gadiri

December 25th, 2012, 12:41 AM

I approve 2030 in Uruguay 100 years from WC, from where it begun

Everybody sayed same thing for Olympic Games 1996 and Athens. Finally Atlanta host it.

TEBC

December 25th, 2012, 01:05 AM

Everybody sayed same thing for Olympic Games 1996 and Athens. Finally Atlanta host it.

But FIFA is different from the IOC its a few members that decided it and nlatter already suported

TEBC

December 25th, 2012, 01:06 AM

2026 : no bid of Europe and Asia
2030 : no bid of Asia

I explained that in french :

For 2026, it can not be an Asian country because they organize in 2022 in Qatar and a European country because there is Russia in 2018.

That leaves the possibility that the CONCACAF (North Am), the COMNEBOL (Am-South), Oceania (Australia fortunately joined to Asia) and Africa.

FIFA TV rights sold 2 WC. 2002 (Japan, Korea) -2006 (Germany), 2010 (South Africa) -2014 (Brazil), 2018 (Russia) -2022 (Qatar), 2026-2030. We know that European TVs are paying more for these rights. Therefore, the FIFA smart and greedy as it is, not let two cuts on the worlds take place outside timezones European countries. That's why all these chances Africa and Morocco in particular for 2026.

The rotation sistem is over after Qatar. Technically any country can bid for 2026

Gadiri

December 25th, 2012, 01:13 AM

Stadiums of 2011 Copa America - ARGENTINA (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1411580&highlight=argentina)

Présentation succinte des stades

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7303/61767095.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/61767095.jpg/)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Am%C3%A9rica_2011

Présentation détaillée

Buenos Aires , Estadio Antonio Vespucio Liberti , 57,921 , 1938

Le stade de River Plate :puke:

La peinture rouge et blanche cache la vétustée et l'obsolescence de ce stade, avec tantôt des tribunes debout,bout tantot des bancs pour les places assises.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3397/20buenosairesestadioant.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/20buenosairesestadioant.jpg/)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2905/12165521.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/12165521.jpg/)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7259/28833997.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/28833997.jpg/)

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/2912/28160462.jpg (http://img813.imageshack.us/i/28160462.jpg/)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7342/72018724.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/72018724.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6499/55513002.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/55513002.jpg/)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9290/18229183.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/18229183.jpg/)

http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5BIE/97

Cordoba , Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes , 55,144 , 1978

Un 2ème niveau avec sa toiture, a récemment été ajoutée à la tribune en face de la présidentielle. La capacité dans les virages a aussi été augmenté.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4116/30cordobaestadiomarioal.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/30cordobaestadiomarioal.jpg/)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5176/50365939.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/50365939.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1384/89461526.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/89461526.jpg/)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9633/72022993.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/72022993.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4359/33959860.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/33959860.jpg/)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6633/65110587.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/65110587.jpg/)

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/743/54450767.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/54450767.jpg/)

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5539/61983687.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/61983687.jpg/)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9406/66812149.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/66812149.jpg/)

Mendoza , Estadio Mundialista Malvinas Argentinas , 40,268 , 1978.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4193/40mendozaestadiomundial.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/40mendozaestadiomundial.jpg/)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2899/94628535.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/94628535.jpg/)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8391/29819387.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/29819387.jpg/)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5962/68989696.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/68989696.jpg/)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6379/21772130.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/21772130.jpg/)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/914/17621877.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/17621877.jpg/)

La Plata , Estadio Ciudad de La Plata 53,000 (36,000 seats) , 2003

Le stade a été inauguré en 2003. Pour la Copa America il a été décidé de lui rajouter un toit.

Résultat : un stade à 100 000 000 $ et un toit à 300 000 000 $ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LA PLATA- Estadio Ciudad de La Plata (53,000) - Copa América 2011 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=66205057&postcount=30)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2069/50laplataestadiociudadd.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/50laplataestadiociudadd.jpg/)

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9296/93231270.jpg (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/93231270.jpg/)

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8123/55663298.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/55663298.jpg/)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9413/15263804.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/15263804.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3131/22784124.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/22784124.jpg/)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/682/48832095.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/48832095.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5043/17089486.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/17089486.jpg/)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1711/15074261.png (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/15074261.png/)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4955/64470830.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/64470830.jpg/)

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9971/19088353.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/19088353.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2741/17148808.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/17148808.jpg/)

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The roof and the widescreen looks like Francfort stadium.

Santa Fe , Estadio Brigadier General Estanislao López , 33,548 , 1946

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7642/87858550.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/87858550.jpg/)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6208/72033552.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/72033552.jpg/)

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/430/13494459.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/13494459.jpg/)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/381/94022508.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/94022508.jpg/)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9472/36283030.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/36283030.jpg/)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8350/86644452.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/86644452.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4862/69382509.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/69382509.jpg/)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7595/57199265.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/57199265.jpg/)

http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5BIE/97

San Juan , Estadio del Bicentenario , 25,286 , 2011

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9748/70624439.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/70624439.jpg/)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8657/96156750.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/96156750.jpg/)

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1184/81345756.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/81345756.jpg/)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8639/96083534.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/96083534.jpg/)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3323/57528150.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/57528150.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2361/72161352.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/72161352.jpg/)

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7260/62728645.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/62728645.jpg/)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1556/82843407.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/82843407.jpg/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9852/95996636.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/95996636.jpg/)

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4475/71966124.jpg (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/71966124.jpg/)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5786/40749911.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/40749911.jpg/)

Croquis pour la rénovation :

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3554/70770406.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/70770406.jpg/)

http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5BIE/97

San Salvador de Jujuy , Estadio 23 de Agosto , 23,000 , 1973.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3824/100xj.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/100xj.jpg/)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6031/101hla.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/101hla.jpg/)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1585/102di.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/102di.jpg/)

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1354/103hn.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/103hn.jpg/)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8666/104qy.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/104qy.jpg/)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2851/105ow.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/105ow.jpg/)

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6951/106kt.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/106kt.jpg/)

http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5BIE/97

Salta , Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena , 20,408 , 2001

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8623/110de.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/110de.jpg/)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6718/111ymm.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/111ymm.jpg/)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9485/112hz.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/112hz.jpg/)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9815/113bi.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/113bi.jpg/)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5307/114uh.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/114uh.jpg/)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4410/115gzk.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/115gzk.jpg/)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7087/116my.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/116my.jpg/)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1637/117fg.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/117fg.jpg/)

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/7362/118k.jpg (http://img546.imageshack.us/i/118k.jpg/)
http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5BIE/97

Others stadium that didn't host Copa 2011 :

C'est dommage de n'avoir qu'1 seul stade à Buenos Aires sur les 8 de la compétition.

En plus il y a le choix entre ces stades :

- Boca 57 000 places

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1411/64783808.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/64783808.jpg/)

- Racing 51 000 places

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8705/83728842a.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/83728842a.jpg/)

- Indepediente 44 000

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/443/16003695.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/16003695.jpg/)

- Velez Sarsfield 49 000

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3718/21652889.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/21652889.jpg/)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/countries/argentina.shtml

Et en plus 0 stade à Rosario. Ni celui des Newell's Old Boys, ni celui de Rosario Central qui a acceuillit le dernier Argentine-Bresil.

Au lieu de cela, on a des stades dans des villes plus petite comme Jujuy ou Salta alors que l'une ou l'autre aurait été suiffisant.

Rosario Central, 42 000

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4487/63294190.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/63294190.jpg/)