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Ωρτimuş October 17th, 2010, 10:26 PM killing innocent civilians during military operations (Like in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and other occupied territories) : Is-it some kind of state terrorism or just an unintended collateral damage ?
Civilian casualties
Civilian casualties is a military term describing civilian or non-combatant persons killed, injured, or imprisoned by military action. The description of civilian casualties includes any form of military action regardless of whether civilians were targeted directly. This differs from the description of collateral damage that only applies to unintentional effects of military action including unintended casualties.
Civilian casualties therefore include victims of atrocities such as the Nanking Massacre committed on a civilian population where hundreds of thousands of men were slaughtered, while girls and women ages ranging from 10 to 70 were systematically raped or killed by Japanese soldiers in 1937. Another example is the My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai) that was committed by U.S. soldiers during the Vietnam War on hundreds of unarmed Vietnamese civilians. Such military action, which has the sole purpose of inflicting civilian casualties is illegal under modern rules of war, and may be considered a war crime or crime against humanity.
Other kinds of civilian casualties may involve the targeting of civilian populations for military purposes, such as the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed over 100,000 civilians. The legality of such action was at the time governed by international law found in the Hague Regulations on Land Warfare of 1907, which state "the attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited". Also relevant, were the Hague Draft Rules of Air Warfare of 1922–1923, which state "air bombardment is legitimate only when is directed against a military objective". The Rome Statute defines "intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population" to be illegal, but only came into effect on July 1, 2002 and has not been ratified by every country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties
Ωρτimuş October 17th, 2010, 10:57 PM The use of prohibited White Phosphorus Artillery in some occupied territories against civilians
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M825A1 155mm White Phosphorus Artillery Shoot Fallujah
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Following the white phosphorus trail
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Ωρτimuş October 17th, 2010, 10:59 PM Civilians targeted in a collateral damage
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Les deux enfants survivants de ce massacre
The two children who survived the massacre
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Ωρτimuş October 19th, 2010, 10:12 PM Vietnam Napalm White Phosphorus Bombing
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Ωρτimuş October 20th, 2010, 05:37 PM The use of Chemical weapons against civilians, during Rif war in northern Morocco (1921 - 1927)
Chemical weapons in the Rif War
During the Third Rif War in Spanish Morocco between 1921 and 1927, the Spanish Army of Africa dropped chemical warfare agents in an attempt to put down the Riffian Berber rebellion led by guerrilla leader Abd el-Krim.[1]
These attacks in 1924 marked the first time mustard gas was dropped by airplanes, a year before the Geneva Protocol for "the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare" was signed. The gas used in these attacks was produced by the "Fabrica Nacional de Productos Quimicos" at La Marañosa near Madrid; a plant founded with significant assistance from Hugo Stoltzenberg, a chemist associated with the German government's clandestine chemical warfare activities in the early 1920s[2] who later was given Spanish citizenship.[3]
Researches and revelations
The Spanish bombings were covered up but some observers of military aviation, like Pedro Tonda Bueno in his autobiography La vida y yo (Life and I), published in 1974, talked about dropping toxic gases from airplanes and the consequent poisoning of the Rif fields. Likewise, Ignacio Hidalgo de Cisneros, in his autobiographical work Cambio de rumbo (Course change), reveals how he was with several chemical attacks. Years later, in 1990, two German journalists and investigators, Rudibert Kunz and Rolf-Dieter Müller, in their work Giftgas Gegen Abd El Krim: Deutschland, Spanien und der Gaskrieg in Spanisch-marokko, 1922-1927 (Poison Gas against Abd El Krim: Germany, Spain and the Gas War in Spanish Morocco, 1922-1927), proved with scientific tests that chemical attacks had indeed occurred. The British historian Sebastian Balfour, of the London School of Economics, in his book Deadly Embrace, confirmed massive use of chemical arms after having studied numerous Spanish, French and British archives. According to his research, the strategy of the Spanish military was to choose highly populated zones as targets. Additional evidence is found in a telegram from a British official, H. Pughe Lloyd, sent to the British Minister of War.[4]
Background
According to Sebastian Balfour, the motivation for the chemical attacks was based primarily on revenge for the defeat of the Spanish Army of Africa and their Moroccan recruits the Regulares[5] at the Battle of Annual on July 22, 1921.[6]
The Spanish defeat, the Disaster of Annual with 13,000 Spanish and colonial soldiers dead according to the official count, led to a major political crisis and a redefinition of Spanish colonial policy toward the Rif region. The political crisis led Indalecio Prieto to say in the Congress of Deputies: "We are at the most acute period of Spanish decadence. The campaign in Africa is a total failure, absolute, without extenuation, of the Spanish Army."
The Minister of War ordered the creation of an investigative commission, directed by the respected general Juan Picasso González, which eventually developed the "Expediente Picasso" report. Despite calling out numerous military mistakes, it did not, owing to obstructions raised by various ministers and judges, go so far as to lay political responsibility for the defeat. Popular opinion widely blamed King Alfonso XIII who, according to several sources, encouraged General Manuel Fernández Silvestre's irresponsible penetration of positions far from Melilla without having adequate defenses in his rear.
Even before the use of chemical weapons, the Spanish Army commonly resorted to brutal methods of repression, which in some cases included decapitation[7], after its initial defeats in the Second Rif War of 1909.
The use of the chemical agents
Spain was one of the first powers to use chemical weapons against civilian populaces[8] in their use against the Rif rebellion. Between 1921 and 1927, the Spanish army indescriminately used phosgene, diphosgene, chloropicrin and mustard gas (known as Iperita[9]).[10][11] Common targets were civilian populations, markets, and rivers.[11] In a telegram sent by the then-High Commissioner of Spanish Morocco Dámaso Berenguer in August 12, 1921 to the Spanish minister of War, Berenguer stated:[12]
I have been obstinately resistant to the use of suffocating gases against these indigenous peoples but after what they have done, and of their treasonous and deceptive conduct, I have to use them with true joy.
In August 20, 1921, Spain asked Germany to deliver mustard gas via Hugo Stoltzenberg, although Germany was prohibited from manufacturing such weapons as per the Treaty of Versailles of 1919. The first delivery occurred in 1923.[12] The use of chemical weapons against the Rif was first described in an article of a (now defunct) Francophone daily newspaper published in Tangier called La Dépêche marocaine dated on November 27, 1921.[13][14] Historian Juan Pando has been the only Spanish historian to have confirmed the usage of mustard gas starting in 1923.[12] Spanish newspaper La Correspondencia de España published an article called Cartas de un soldado (Letters of a soldier) on August 16, 1923 which backed the usage of mustard gas.[13]
According to military aviation general Hidalgo de Cisneros in his autobiographical book Cambio de rumbo[15], he was the first warfighter to drop a 100-kilogram mustard gas bomb from his Farman F60 Goliath aircraft in the summer of 1924.[16] About 127 fighters and bombers flew in the campaign, dropping around 1,680 bombs each day. Thirteen of these planes were stationed in the military air base of Seville.[17] The mustard gas bombs were brought from the stockpiles of Germany and delivered to Melilla before being carried on Farman F60 Goliath airplanes.[18]
Legacy
Alleged toxic effects
The "Association for the Defence of Victims of the Rif War" considers that the toxic effects are still being felt in the Rif region.[19] However, no scientific study has proven to date the relationship between the usage of chemical weapons and the high rate of cancer in the area.[20]
[edit] Bill of acknowledgment
In February 14, 2007, the Catalonian party of the Republican Left (Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya) passed a bill to the Spanish Congress of Deputies requesting Spain to acknowledge the "systematic" use of chemical weapons against the population of the Rif mountains.[21] The bill was rejected by 33 votes from the governing Socialist Labor Party and the opposition right-wing Popular Party who form the majority in the Spanish parliament.[22]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_the_Rif_War
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Disaster_of_Annual_-_Montearruit.jpg
Chemical Weapons were used following Spain's disastrous defeat at "Anwal" Battle in 1921.
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Ωρτimuş October 22nd, 2010, 03:38 AM War Crimes and Persecution of Civilians in Chechnya
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Ωρτimuş December 7th, 2010, 07:15 PM Real Terrorists ??
00:01 un jeune homme brandi un drapeau et le signe V
00:24 On lui tire dessous alors qu'il a les mains ligotées et les yeux bandés !!
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00:32 Massacre d'une famille par des tirs de canons
01:16 Seule survivante une jeune fille qui pleure ses parents et ses petits frères
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Ωρτimuş December 8th, 2010, 01:09 AM Who Are The Real Terrorists ?
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Ωρτimuş January 14th, 2011, 02:40 PM Des régimes tuant leurs peuples sous prétextes d'endiguer la menace terroriste, alors que ce qu'ils commettent comme crimes relève justement du terrorisme de masse
Tirer à balles réelles sur des civiles n'est t-il pas un crime terroriste ?
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Ministre des affaires étrangères tunisien :
Je prends cette décision en espérant que le retour au calme s’instaure. Je quitte le gouvernement tunisien pour exprimer ma profonde tristesse et mon indignation vis-à-vis de la mauvaise gestion de cette crise, causant ainsi la mort de plusieurs dizaines de jeunes tunisiens. Je suis profondément convaincu qu’il ne s’agisse pas de terroristes, mais de citoyens exerçant leur droit de manifestation face à un régime qui les a délaissé depuis deux décennies et c’est exactement pour cette raison que je ne me considère plus membre de ce gouvernement despote et manipulateur.
http://kamelmorjane.com/post/2729837003/lettre-de-demission
Tomb Raider January 16th, 2011, 03:38 PM Allah irhamhoum et toutes mes condoléances à leurs familles :ohno:
Ωρτimuş February 4th, 2011, 05:24 PM Another bloody crime by another terrorist regime
A police vehicles and a diplomatic car run over dozens of people
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Ωρτimuş February 4th, 2011, 09:51 PM Just another crime by the same terrorists who have a license to kill
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Tomb Raider February 4th, 2011, 11:25 PM Just another crime by the same terrorists who have a license to kill
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Ωρτimuş February 6th, 2011, 02:59 PM Same terrorists, Same crime, same victimes
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Youssef February 6th, 2011, 03:20 PM J'ai voté pour l'état terroriste ..
C'est horrible ce qui se passe en égypte .. il s'est passé au Maroc .. à Fès en décembre 1990 .. C'est pourquoi j'invite M6 a être intelligent en se retirant d'exercer tout pouvoir juridique, législatif ou exécutif dans les plus bref délais.
CasaTunisOran February 9th, 2011, 06:46 AM C'est pourquoi j'invite M6 a être intelligent en se retirant d'exercer tout pouvoir juridique, législatif ou exécutif dans les plus bref délais.
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Ωρτimuş February 12th, 2011, 01:31 PM L'agression contre la flottille de la liberté vers gaza !! un acte terroriste ??
Si oui elle est où la condamnation des coupables devant un tribunal internationale ?
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xRyan February 13th, 2011, 12:17 AM L'agression contre la flottille de la liberté vers gaza !! un acte terroriste ??
Si oui elle est où la condamnation des coupables devant un tribunal internationale ?
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Comme quoi il n'y a pas que les dictatures arabes qui commettent de tels actes. J'espère que la Palestine tirera profit du changement en Egypte.
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PS: Ca c'est un Premier Ministre.
Ωρτimuş February 17th, 2011, 01:08 AM The same crime from another point of view
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Washington (CNN) — A white diplomatic van shown plowing into anti-government protesters in Cairo might belong to the United States, officials said, adding that 20 such vehicles have been stolen in Egypt amid the unrest.
The YouTube video, dated January 28, is one of three from recent days showing drivers seemingly purposefully ramming their vehicle into demonstrators in streets that appear to be around Cairo’s Tahrir Square.
The footage caused an uproar online, some of it related to the fact that the van appeared to resemble a U.S. diplomatic vehicle.
“Obviously, we’ve seen some of the reaction on YouTube and other forums, which is why we’re trying to get out and knock this erroneous story down,” U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Friday afternoon.
Fellow State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley was the first to comment earlier Friday, saying that American officials were “very aware” of the video and trying to get more information on what happened.
Later, the State Department and U.S. Embassy in Egypt issued a joint statement also acknowledging video of the “hit-and-run” incident that “injured dozens in Cairo.” A spokesman did not explain how U.S. officials came to that casualty toll.
The statement noted that “a number of U.S. Embassy vehicles” were stolen on January 28, when Egyptian police abandoned their posts in droves around Cairo. Toner later clarified that 20 vehicles had been taken.
“Since these vehicles were stolen, we have heard reports of their use in violent and criminal acts,” the statement said, alluding to the possibility that one might be the van shown on the YouTube video. “If true, we deplore these acts and perpetrators.”
The U.S. release added, “We are certain that no embassy employees or diplomats were involved.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/04/egypt.us.van/index.html
Ωρτimuş February 17th, 2011, 02:54 PM Is it a genocide crime ? or just a collateral damage !!
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CasaTunisOran February 17th, 2011, 08:22 PM Srebrenica est reconnu comme un génocide par la communauté internationale, pas comme un dommage collaterale
Ωρτimuş February 18th, 2011, 05:59 AM Another bloody terrorist crime against civilians
Libya: Security Forces Fire on 'Day of Anger' Demonstrations
Government Should Respect Right to Peaceful Protest and Investigate Deaths
(New York) - The Libyan security forces killed at least 24 protesters and wounded many others in a crackdown on peaceful demonstrations across the country, Human Rights Watch said today. The authorities should cease the use of lethal force unless absolutely necessary to protect lives and open an independent investigation into the lethal shootings, Human Rights Watch said.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/02/17/libya-security-forces-fire-day-anger-demonstrations
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sakom February 18th, 2011, 06:02 AM Les raisons de la chute de Hosni Mubarak
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Ωρτimuş February 20th, 2011, 07:54 PM Des civils tués lors des opérations militaires de l'OTAN en Afghanistan durant ces derniers jours
Dozens of civilians are treated in hospital after NATO-led operations in Afghanistan kill 64.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqO5RcYGnF8
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En Afghanistan, 64 civils auraient été tués par l’Otan ces derniers jours
Soixante quatre civils tués en l'espace de quatre jours, c’est ce qu’a annoncé ce dimanche 20 février 2011 le gouverneur de la province afghane de Kunar dans l’est de l’Afghanistan. C’est, selon lui, le bilan des raids aériens et terrestres menés dans cette région de l'est par l'Otan et l'armée afghane avec une majorité de femmes et d'enfants parmi les victimes. De son côté, le président afghan Hamid Karzaï a attribué à l’Otan la mort d' «environ 50 civils» lors de l’opération toujours en cours. Un porte-parole de la Force internationale d'assistance à la sécurité (Isaf), sous commandement de l'Otan, a déclaré ne pas être au courant de décès de civils lors des opérations.
Selon le gouverneur de la province, Fazlullah Wahidi, outre 13 insurgés, au moins 20 femmes ont été tuées, 29 garçons et hommes âgés d'entre sept et vingt ans et 15 hommes adultes.
La Force internationale d'assistance à la sécurité, l'Isaf, a admis être en train de mener des opération dans la province de Kunar mais dit ne pas être au courant de décès de civils lors des opérations.
L'Otan a annoncé qu’elle s’apprêtait à «envoyer une équipe d'enquête pour examiner les allégations selon laquelle l'Isaf a causé des pertes civiles» au cours d'opérations militaires qu'elle mènent contre des insurgés présumés. «Les systèmes vidéo des appareils montrent que 36 insurgés, qui étaient armés, ont été tués. L'opération s'est déroulée dans une vallée reculée de la province de Kunar, sur un terrain très accidenté», de nuit, a précisé l'Isaf.
La force internationale, composée aux deux tiers de soldats américains, est régulièrement accusée par les autorités locales de tuer des civils lors de ses opérations aériennes ou au sol contre les insurgés, ce qu'elle reconnaît parfois après enquête. La mort de ces civils nourrit le ressentiment de la population à l'égard des forces étrangères, plus de neuf ans après leur arrivée dans le pays.
http://www.rfi.fr/asie-pacifique/20110220-afghanistan-64-civils-auraient-ete-tues-otan-ces-derniers-jours
Ωρτimuş February 20th, 2011, 08:01 PM Civilians massacred to test new kinds of weapons
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Ωρτimuş February 21st, 2011, 04:04 AM Actes d'agression terroriste contre des enfants ??
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Gadiri February 21st, 2011, 04:16 AM Actes d'agression terroriste contre des enfants ??
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C'est la démocratie parait-il !!! ^^
Choupa February 21st, 2011, 04:26 AM C'est la démocratie parait-il !!! ^^
la démocratie n'existe pas seul un pigeon penserait qu'il est libre de voler parmis des corbeaux qui le surveille !
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