an application has gone in to build 124 student flats on the bit of wasteland near the old hull truck theatre

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=LABVC9SO05500&searchtype=WEEKLY

That's erm quite alot isn't it the land isn't that big so could be looking at a 7 story building?

This area would be great for student acomadation I always thought round there would be good as it's close ish to princess ave I'd say if it's not manor we could be in luck

Is it the bit of land behind the Scotts(?) warehouse/back of TK Maxx?

I'm guessing here...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+colonial+street+hull&sll=53.687762,-0.277405&sspn=0.164681,0.673599&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Colonial+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.748952,-0.347443&spn=0,0.014613&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.748341,-0.349486&panoid=vOc9G2KgRiiVnpZLkniOZg&cbp=12,186.58,,0,4.66

I'm for that.

That land looks even smaller than I thought! Could be a good sign if the plans are for 124 rooms.
The travelodge is on slightly larger land and has 74 rooms (I think) and 74 rooms = 5 storys so as I've already mentioned 124 rooms could be 9/10 storys!

I thought that was the site that's meant to be 'St.Stephen's apartments'?

I thought that student site may have been here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+colonial+street+hull&sll=53.687762,-0.277405&sspn=0.164681,0.673599&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Colonial+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=53.746974,-0.349283&panoid=lVdZMvRnOaeB0EQrhdmEBg&cbp=12,142.92,,0,11.56&ll=53.746884,-0.349352&spn=0,0.006856&z=17

it's on the land bounded By Spring Street/Colonial Street/Grey Street as KuH has mentioned, i'm sure the site's larger than the Travelodge site but will have to provide a large amount of off street parking. The architects are apparently Harrison Ince (http://www.harrison-ince.co.uk/).

It says that they are associated documents/plans with the application but I'm on my iPhone so can't view them because I don't have adobe reader. Can anyone have a look?

I thought that was the site that's meant to be 'St.Stephen's apartments'?

I thought that student site may have been here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+colonial+street+hull&sll=53.687762,-0.277405&sspn=0.164681,0.673599&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Colonial+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=53.746974,-0.349283&panoid=lVdZMvRnOaeB0EQrhdmEBg&cbp=12,142.92,,0,11.56&ll=53.746884,-0.349352&spn=0,0.006856&z=17

turn street view to your left & I suspect you get much the same as the new build flat pictured,

Look at the plot via an ariel view & its plenty big enough to be 4/5 story c/w car parking, sadly the planing portal doc do not open!

associated documents are uploaded a few days after the application is put online

Small write up in the paper regarding the student flats just says that plans have been submitted and that it will go before planners by febuary

Plans now onlineor student flats can anyone post them on here as I can't?

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumber=10/01020/FULL

Its not great but its better than the combination of empty buildings and waste ground thats currently there.

The OS extract shows the proposed site including the landscaped area infront of TK Maxx. I would rather that remain unbuilt on as it would ruin the view of St Stephens from the back.

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/doc/OS%20Extract-362503.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=362503&location=VOLUME1&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

Elevations:

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/doc/Drawing-362515.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=362515&location=VOLUME1&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/doc/Drawing-362514.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=362514&location=VOLUME1&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/Capture-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/Capture1-2.jpg

Student blocks aren't renowned for their architectural finnese. If it can help to spur other development around there and have a knock on effect for businesses on Spring bank (thus helping to link the avenues more fully to town) then I suppose it might be worth it. Might be good to see it knocked back and a better design proposed though, even if it adds a year or two to the wait.

Could this be the extention st stephans manager was talking about?
I think it's a step in the right direction. Just imagine many more buildings like this around there the impression train passengers got of hull city centre would improve.

Overall I think this render is simple so I think it would turn out ok and it's 8 stories:)

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I thought that this development would spark a lot of interest and discussion so I've created a specific 'Project Thread' for it.

I have asked Newcastle Historian, if he can transfer the earlier posts into here from the 'Full Summary' thread, so shortly (I assume) this "first post" will no longer be the first post!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/Capture-1.jpg


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http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/publicacces...rchtype=WEEKLY

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I expect this development will be passed without any problems get it built be good for the area and create a bit more of a evening buzz.

I would expect every single retailer, restaurant and cinema in St Stephens will encourage this development to be granted.

And pubs like the star and garter will benefit also.

Once passed those type of flats are built built pretty quickly, if they build it.

Hull is the only university city I can think of without a large centrally located student accommodation block. It can only benefit it's footfall and vibrancy. Perhaps it would also create a greater sense of engagement with the city for the students, as opposed to them sticking to the cott rd campus, avenues and cottingham as part of a cloistered, flying visit. I'm willing to bet there are some in their third year of study who have never even been into the centre of town, and dont realise what it has to offer.

I expect this development will be passed without any problems get it built be good for the area and create a bit more of a evening buzz.

I would expect every single retailer, restaurant and cinema in St Stephens will encourage this development to be granted.

And pubs like the star and garter will benefit also.

Once passed those type of flats are built built pretty quickly, if they build it.

hopefully it will breeze through, however i can see objections coming from the rabbit hutches it will neighbour, can't see them liking an influx of hundreds of students in the area, also the transport statement mentions there will only be 12 parking spaces provided and these will be for staff only. I can see it being rejected on these grounds until parking matters are resolved.

Am i right in saying this is the site?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=spring+street+hull&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.409311,39.331055&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.747404,-0.350146&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.747476,-0.350442&panoid=8nxxL4A433TcpedlOrwQ3w&cbp=12,163.74,,0,17.06

It is.

It would be good if the neighbouring area of waste ground could be cleared up. Even clearing away the rubble and planting some grass would be good enough.

the site, taken from the planning documents

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss1-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss3-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss2.jpg

Oh, so it looks like it will be built on the empty land closer to those new apartments, and not where the old Hull Truck building is. Then why on the OS extract does the site extend as far south as St Stephens. Future phases maybe?

perhaps or it could be planning gain... aka a nice landscaped area for the students to lounge about on in the summer!

Oh, so it looks like it will be built on the empty land closer to those new apartments, and not where the old Hull Truck building is. Then why on the OS extract does the site extend as far south as St Stephens. Future phases maybe?

with the boundary going right up behind tacky maxx i'd assume that it's land owned by British Land and is earmarked for expansion of St Stephens or was meant to be used for the residential element of St Stephens.

It's finally made the HDM.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Plan-old-Truck-site/article-2797537-detail/article.html

St Stephen's developers plan student flats for former Hull Truck Theatre site
Plans have been submitted to redevelop the old Hull Truck Theatre site in Spring Street.

The proposed scheme features 124 student flats in four individual buildings forming a courtyard around a fifth block of apartments.

The development is by ING Real Estate, the developers behind the neighbouring St Stephen's shopping centre, and updates original proposals for new housing on the land.

Beet me to it..
Due to the developers I think that it will get built, this is defiently the 'extention' st stephens was talking about. Does that mean the site is the old hull truck then? Also what does it mean a fifth block of flats, does that mean there more than what we saw in the render posted on here?

Pretty big I reckon.

Queens Court has 115 flats.

These will be small studios but it will still be a decent size

It will defiantly cover all the area which covers the old Hull Truck theatre and adjoining car park.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=spring+street+hull&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.409311,39.331055&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.746604,-0.351412&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.746624,-0.351242&panoid=OXVOuypvI8N_OE6zDi2MMA&cbp=12,79.13,,0,17.06

The site certainly must be the old Hull Truck now that theres confirmation in the HDM. So its still puzzling why those plans in post 24 show the development in a different site further away from St Stephens.

We really could have done with more plans and elevations for this development. Its still a bit vague as to how its all arranged but i believe 4 blocks are going to be arranged in a square shape with the space within them occupied by a 5th block.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/springstreetblock.jpg?t=1288102188

Unless it's hll truck and the other bit of land too because the hull truck site is far to small for five 8/7 story blocks.

Anyway I hope this development proceeds as it could lead to more like this in the area, bring the area more into the city centre and as I said before give off a better impression to people coming in by train (instead of car parks,tesco and wasteland) the proposal goes before planners in January and if it is passed when do you think we would see movement on site?

Could be a good January for hull if this get go ahead,space resumes flat development, manor gets casino go ahead

If it is passed in January I would imagine a couple of months before work is underway. As KUH said, student accommodation tends to go up pretty quickly - there is always an eye on opening in time for the next years intake - and it is also relatively recession-proof (touch wood) if the demand is proven.

As well as the highly regarded university, Hull College is expanding all the time and is amongst the largest and best ranked FE colleges in the country. I wouldn't be surprised to see it granted University status in the next 10-20 years, so these type of developments will come in useful. The redevelopment of fringe parts of Manchester city centre like Hulme with their medium sized communal designs are the way to go, as opposed to monster sized blocks overpowering the skyline with blandness like in some other cities.

The first image in post 24 shows the arrangement of the 5 blocks in the location of the image below it, so it's confusing that the hdm are reporting its to be built on the old hull truck site. Wouldn't surprise me they get there information form speculation on this site.

The hull truck site is included in the OS Map plan. It must be for landscaping.

Pretty big I reckon.

Queens Court has 115 flats.

These will be small studios but it will still be a decent size

It will defiantly cover all the area which covers the old Hull Truck theatre and adjoining car park.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=spring+street+hull&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.409311,39.331055&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.746604,-0.351412&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.746624,-0.351242&panoid=OXVOuypvI8N_OE6zDi2MMA&cbp=12,79.13,,0,17.06

each flat will probably be 4-6 bedroom with en suite with a comunal kitchen/ living room.. id guess that 6 flats for students take about as much room as 2 for normal people

True...

I cannot see this not been passed and will be good for the area

Just hope it has a knock on effect and something is done to this eyesore.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=spring+street+hull&sll=51.50108,-0.07139&sspn=0.604392,1.229095&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+St,+Hull,+North+Humberside+HU2,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.747582,-0.348752&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.747659,-0.348678&panoid=SrUTgCZHksOT61IpIOnFAg&cbp=12,85.25,,0,-5.44

^100% agree. Why hasn't it being pulled down already? Hopefully it may see the church retained and brought back to life and back into use. Someone with money would be bright enough to convert the church into a bar for the students and pre/post theatre goers.

As I think somebody mentioned previously, it would be nice for some greenery to be retained opposite the church. A garden square could form a nice focal point for future developments.

^100% agree. Why hasn't it being pulled down already? Hopefully it may see the church retained and brought back to life and back into use. Someone with money would be bright enough to convert the church into a bar for the students and pre/post theatre goers.

The church and presbytery was sold at auction through Leonards last month for £67,000, will be interesting to see what the new owner's plans for this are

This development certainly opens up the possibility for the redevelopment of the land right through to Ferensway where LAs once stood. Even before its built on it would be nice to see it converted into a thoroughfare and landscaped.

I would like to see more empty sites in the city centre landscaped or even just grassed over instead of just littered with rubble and weeds.

The church and presbytery was sold at auction through Leonards last month for £67,000, will be interesting to see what the new owner's plans for this are

What usually do churches get turned into?
I mean through the country when people buy churches is there anything in particular that churches usually are turned into?

Off the top of my head I can think of churches being converted and used as houses, flats, nightclubs and bars, youth/community centres, offices/admin and teaching spaces. On top of that, they are sometimes simply used as a place of worship by a different faith group.

What usually do churches get turned into?
I mean through the country when people buy churches is there anything in particular that churches usually are turned into?

more often than not they are converted to residential use, this was quite popular a couple of years ago but has slowly dropped off.

Off the top of my head I can think of churches being converted and used as houses, flats, nightclubs and bars, youth/community centres, offices/admin and teaching spaces. On top of that, they are sometimes simply used as a place of worship by a different faith group.

they can only be used as a different faith if the diocese will allow a change of covenant...usually not in my experience

It may suit a 'Parish' - a bar they have in Huddersfield and York, probably many other places too.

Just to back up

22 10/01020/FULL 26/07/2010 Land Bounded By Spring Street/Colonial Street/Grey Street Kingston Upon Hull Erection of building to provide 132 flats for students with ancillary facilities. (Outline - all mat... Application Refused

Looks like my design suggestions were submitted aswell here's a email I received from ING real estates today :)

Thank you for your latest email,
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In response to your questions
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the highest point will be 14 storeys high
construction is targeted to start in early 2012
ING is concentrating on its existing portfolio of retail projects at the current time and is not seeking any new projects in the UK.
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We hope to gain planning permission in May of this year and thank you for your support.
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If you need anymore information please contact me on the email below

Is anyone able to put the renders on here please?

Looks like my design suggestions were submitted aswell here's a email I received from ING real estates today :)



Is anyone able to put the renders on here please?

Sorry I forgot to provide the link, I don't think the renders are on yet but from the email I was sent it (^^^^)certainly sounds promising.

Link to application: http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=LHUGLESO05400&searchtype=WEEKLY

Great to see the height increase although from some angles on the skyline it will be swallowed up by the nearby Anlaby Road flats.

Edit: Just had a look and theres actually quite a fair distance between them.

I agree, should still improve the chances of further development in that area.

We may just be about to see a mini construction, posdible crane boom in hull. My place, this, manor mill, kc headquarters, manor cube etc...

I agree, should still improve the chances of further development in that area.

We may just be about to see a mini construction, posdible crane boom in hull. My place, this, manor mill, kc headquarters, manor cube etc...

Haha:lol: havent we been saying that every year since this thread started. Honestly, i can see the KC building and just one other of the above getting started in the coming year.

Yes I thought that too, I was about to add that sentence to my list :D

I meant in the coming years, as it says this is scheduled to start in early 2012

Renders now on!!!!

Please can somebody post them on here as I can't do it on my iPhone :(

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumber=11/00223/OUT

Renders now on!!!!

Please can somebody post them on here as I can't do it on my iPhone :(

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumber=11/00223/OUT

I dont have time to post any plans now but i must say i'm very impressed. If only we had better quality images. From what i can see it looks 99% glass and that eye catching curved roof is obviously inspired by St Stephens.

Renders now on!!!!

Please can somebody post them on here as I can't do it on my iPhone :(

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?appName=planning&appNumber=11/00223/OUT

relax

http://web.hullcc.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseThumbnail.do;jsessionid=232CD2D6F2DDB41ACB635B445FD7E161?action=thumbnails&appType=Planning&docid=384594&appid=1001&docType=Drawing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss1-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss2-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/everywastedtear/ss3-2.jpg

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I like :)

I have a feeling the Yorkshireman will see a whole new lease of life if these go ahead.

Looks more promising than the other projects in hull. ING are very respected developers and already seem committed to this already.

Shame there's no render of the proposed courtyard which will house the cafes/retail space.

Better than the original st Stephens apartment scheme and certainly better then the last plans we saw

Looks good - student accommodation projects are ideal in the current climate as the demand for it hasn't tailed off unlike the buy-to-let market has, so the projected returns for the developers must still be pretty strong...also the project could have a good knock on effect - more city centre living = more immediate footfall etc etc, boost to evening economy, boost to Spring Bank/The Avenues area, more restaurants...encourages more city living...upward spiral. May also benefit the university's prospects too if it can offer students a better quality of living.

Exacly :) also a nice greeting for the visitors that arrive on train

Looks good, get it built.

We will have to wail until early 2012 before this baby is built, depending on planning.

Interesting this development goes up to the two other blocks. Will this be built onto the former hull truck site too?

Yes could work out to be a real positive for the area, particularly the local watering holes :cheers::nuts:

Indeed. Students and lots of them :D could help keep that area of town more vibrant. And may leed to further regeneration in the long term (I hope)

Looks good , fingers crossed it's approved as is AND that it keeps it roof line - cause if it loses that it could become v boring v quickly.

Only thing that concerns me is the possible lack of demand - student numbers are not expected to grow and there's the risk they could fall.

But on the whole I think this is a good development so get it built!!!

if this is going to be student accomodation i think people should bare in mind that student accomodation is built with the cheapest, most widely available materials and with the cheapest designs.

Not always, however some materials can be cheap however look good if used correctly.
Bare in mind also that this site isn't that big and cramming one 140+ flats is very profitable business.

Finally hull lacks quality city centre living for students IMO. This is one aspect that may put off many students. These kind of developments tend to team up with uni's which therefore attracts alot of attention.

Am I right saying that this will be the first purpose built student accommodation block in the city centre? If so we are really behind...

Hull uni takes in around 24,000 students (or something like that) so there is obviously demand, feel free to disagree

If this goes ahead and there are more students living in the city centre then it could really change the culture of the city. I go to uni in Sheffield and the city centre is busy every night, not just weekends.

Then again, with the uni being out the city centre is this development going to be first choice for students?

It should suit those who want to be close to the city centre for shopping/amenities but within walking distance of Princes Ave and only a short bus ride from uni. My brother spent his first year in Leicester in halls which were a good 10-15 min bus journey south of the uni and were in quite a leafy residential area so certainly not a hub of nightlife. Therefore i think located on the edge of the city centre they should prove popular.

I really like the roofline, hope it makes it through, really does look martime/wavelike and would give me a great view from my new office window...:)

Re the students location, its only a 10/15 minute bus ride up Beverley road to Cottingham road, so well within reach so shouldnt be a problem.
dont forget students are not just at University: we have hundreds of doctors and other staff rotating around the area who would need short term accomodation working at the Hospital...
:cheers:

To be fair if it's marketed to the med students it could really work. How many apartments does it contain ?

Don't forget that a good number of Hull College students also require accommodation.

To be fair if it's marketed to the med students it could really work. How many apartments does it contain ?

It says up to 143 flats.

In other words alot :)

3 students in each flat on average, 143 flats

3x143=429 students!

What a great building. My favourite new build proposal. If the manor mill student accommodation ever gets built there will be a hell of a lot of bodies in the city centre.

Love this - the roofline is brilliant and will really integrate with St.Stephen's roof on the skyline.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/christofalus/HullSpringStApartments03.jpg?t=1300354633

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/christofalus/HullSpringStApartments04-1.jpg?t=1300354956

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http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/christofalus/HullSpringStApartments01.jpg?t=1300354956

My only criticism would be what looks like the overuse of balconies. It could end up looking like a Benidorm hotel.

Common sense leads me to believe that high rise buildings with balconies don't mix well with students.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/christofalus/HullSpringStApartments01.jpg?t=1300354956

This one shows how the roofs compliment the wave form from the St Stephens roof.

Nice to see the tallest part closest to the railway line.
Is that a rooftop garden too?

I wish the area could see some more vibrancy and hopfully this will start this, I wonder were the courtyard will be, and I wonder how many retail and cafe units are planned.

I wonder were the courtyard will be

in the middle ? :lol:

(apologies it been a very long day)

ps agree with Riki - the balconies could be an issue (if they are indeed true balconies)

I mean how visible and how you will get to it :)

:lol: I know the feeling

And there's hundreds of student blocks with balconies. Hardly any problems, however after a closer look it looks like they aren't any balconies. They look more like canopies. I could request for more design details if you want like the type of materials/render that are going to be used etc, (however I may be told off by certain forumers) ;)

Why does this have retail and cafe space when there are empty units in Nearby St. Stephens and on nearby Spring Bank?

What an utterly idiotic idea that is, unless the idea is to move Marion Owen Travel into it and get rid of their current little shack.

A fair few student buildings like this have a Spar in them, but this would be pointless with it being so close to a massive Tesco Extra. Who would shop at an expensive Spar (in comparison) when there is that next door?

And the cafe space. Let's face it, if anything it's going to be a greasy spoon, but why? Good eateries in St. Stephens and Ferensway and there are already greasy spoons on Spring Bank. A bloody take-away (The Turkish Kitchen?) is a few paces away, which would be frequented by the students, and just round the corner is that Sublicious place and another sandwhich shop.

The design looks great and it would be great for the area if this indeed gets built and I really hope it does. But retail and cafe space? Really? They're only going to sit empty.

I think it's a good idea, businesses will want to cash in from the students, also st Stephens isn't really that empty. I'm just trying to think what kind of cafes/retailers will want to be situated there. It says cafe/bars space so maybe they want a student hub (sounds bad).

If this was somewhere else you could almost garentee that a tesco express would take a unit but as you said there's the huge tescos right next door

I didn't say St. Stephens was empty.

Why would there be a bar there? There are plenty of drinking establishments in that area (and close by) already.

I doubt a Tesco Express would have been interested. As I said it's usually a Spar that opens within a student complex.

There is no demans for more retail/cafe/bar place here. This is evident in the fact that the much more prominant unit at the front of St. Stephens (also facing Theatre Square), now Health Central, couldn't get any cafe/bar occupents.

What were they thinking? It's a lack of knowledge and research into the area.

I didn't say St. Stephens was empty.

Why would there be a bar there? There are plenty of drinking establishments in that area (and close by) already.

I doubt a Tesco Express would have been interested. As I said it's usually a Spar that opens within a student complex.

There is no demans for more retail/cafe/bar place here. This is evident in the fact that the much more prominant unit at the front of St. Stephens (also facing Theatre Square), now Health Central, couldn't get any cafe/bar occupents.

What were they thinking? It's a lack of knowledge and research into the area.

I think it would be the case that ING would be looking at their own situation rather than the nearby businesses. Rentals and income from units on site will make the whole project more viable to them.

Considering it's the same people as those who own St.Stephen's, I'm guessing the retail units will maybe be used as part of any possible future extention to St.Stephen's?

Regarding the what snow health central, when thus unit was after been filled eateries in the city centre wasn't as poular as what they ate now, restaurant boom. Also the rent would of been astronomical for a cafe or restaurant. The rent will be much lower for the units in the student accommodation. I wish health central would move to albion square instead of taking up such a prime unit IMO, especially when the nhs need to save money

Also dazzer, I think this is the extension that was talked about.

agrew with pippin - expect these retail units to stay empty - no business person would open a competing retail venture feet away from one of the largest Tescos in the north of england! the cafe could be slightly different, a small franchised coffee shop could do well here...

as for the NHS in St Stephens - I dont expect the rent would be very large (defin. not a large as for a commercial venture) as its probably subsidised to some extent - also the NHS knew about the cost savings to be made BEFORE they opened it (the prev. govt set the targets for savings which still exist). I would expect its a short term lease anyway (espec as they had already planned Albion sqr) - sorry to digress

Considering it's the same people as those who own St.Stephen's, I'm guessing the retail units will maybe be used as part of any possible future extention to St.Stephen's?

Dazzar I think the flats were always going to be in this place,this being phase 1 and further phases to cover were the old Hull Truck site is, and also over to the back of Fr Scott. The retail is very small so i cant imagine it being connected in any way with St stephens itself.

Also the cafe bar would do great though I think, with prob 300 people at the Land Reg/ NPS and 700 at Britannia/Crown another 200 at the IR plus 400 odd students all within what 2 minutes walk!

agrew with pippin - expect these retail units to stay empty - no business person would open a competing retail venture feet away from one of the largest Tescos in the north of england! the cafe could be slightly different, a small franchised coffee shop could do well here...

as for the NHS in St Stephens - I dont expect the rent would be very large (defin. not a large as for a commercial venture) as its probably subsidised to some extent - also the NHS knew about the cost savings to be made BEFORE they opened it (the prev. govt set the targets for savings which still exist). I would expect its a short term lease anyway (espec as they had already planned Albion sqr) - sorry to digress

How about a costa and a dominoes pizza? And a hairdressers, students won't bother walking nearby spring bank, they will want it on there door step :)

The health central is a 10 year lease so it's not short term

How about a costa and a dominoes pizza? And a hairdressers, students won't bother walking nearby spring bank, they will want it on there door step :)

There is already two coffee places in St.Stephens and a pizza place on spring street. Not to mention a Dominoes, that deliver anyway, not too far away on Beverley Road for fast delivery times.

As for a Hairdressers, again plenty on Spring Bank already. All the facilities on Spring Bank they'll pass on the way to uni as well.

As far as retail viability goes, we have to remember that the student population and their spending is seasonal. Anything that were to occupy units within the development would have to be capable of being profitable for the four months which encompass the summer break.

According to the architects behind this, the design could still change. This application is just a application for the site use and layout.

According to the architects behind this, the design could still change. This application is just a application for the site use and layout.

No the site is part of the St Stephens land and its use as apartments has been approved, it was turned down recently due to poor design this is a re-submission with a new look ie the roof as the previous were flat roof builds and not in keeping with the St Steves roof which i think this is copying.

The use of site has changed as the original plan was just apartments, now it includeds a courtyard, retail, cafe, bar and student apartments.

The use of site has changed as the original plan was just apartments, now it includeds a courtyard, retail, cafe, bar and student apartments.

Please see original planning app on page 1 of this thread....it includes a courtyard,commercial and is student only the same as this new design. Its to be managed by a student apartment management company who have their own on site staff.

Ah right, ok :)
Thais for the info, very helpful can I ask are you involved in this project?

Ah right, ok :)
Thais for the info, very helpful can I ask are you involved in this project?

No probs...Not involved no,although i do have the plans up on the wall behind me!!
ps sorry for the delay in response

Haha ok, whs that than planning officer? :)

No I work with Sols on the legal work..not the development just land issues. My interest in this is non work related.

Ah interesting, we have quite a workforce on here don't we ;)

Had a tweet from Cllr Woolmer this morning to say he voted yes to this and it's now been passed.

Great news, should benefit the city centre buzz alot. That early 2012 commencement date set swell :)

There are so many aspects of this that i like. The height is superb and should mean it becomes a landmark building on the skyline. Plus the sloping roof should really set it apart from the rather boring tall buildings that have been built recently.

It also occupies the whole block as well so it should really transform the view from so many angles.

This should now be changed from Proposed to Approved or do we still need official confirmation. Is it down on the councils planning site as being approved?

I only just noticed the other day that one of the streets that this bounds is called 'Milky Way' :lol:

^Winning entry of a HDM contest to name the street, I believe.

i really like the design but cannot see it looking anything like the pics above if it happens at all. there's no need whatsoever to make student accomodation look appealing.

Small question but will it still be viable ? With the rise in fees are student numbers likely to be at a level to make this economically viable? Also factor in the fact that student are expected to remain in their home towns rather than leave home for uni. for cost saving reasons...

Still fingers crossed it happens as planned...

Worthy considerations. I'm totally against the rise in fees but I think it will make little difference to student enrollment numbers. Fact is, people still need to go to university.

Also, rent goes up every year, making it an extremely lucrative venture for accommodation owners.

there's not that many jobs that require people to go to university. i think the increased fees, which i'mtotally in favour of, will put a massive amount off. there were so many people at leeds when i was there who wereonly there to get pissed up and have another 3 years without a job. university is just the done thing nowadays and it has to change, universities should be for the educational elite

When I was talking to a guy from ING real estates he was pretty confident that this would commence early 2012 if planning was approved. There a big company who want to keep there reputation up so I highly believe this will get built.

From experience when I was at uni, students prefer blocks where they can interact with other students easily - even in Huddersfield, which is a lot smaller than Hull, has at least 4 or 5 purpose built student blocks of accomodation. Hull doesn't have any really - most of Hull's student accomodation are in student housing. So, I think this would easily work.

I know that the building of more on campus accommodation is definitely in the Hull University Masterplan, which you can dig up online. There is more than enough unused land to do so.

I have never understood why hull does not student blocks, maybe developers were put off by the amount of student accommodation manor planned to build and thought that would see the demand. But as we know, well.... Let's not get into that topic :gaah:

i really like the design but cannot see it looking anything like the pics above if it happens at all. there's no need whatsoever to make student accomodation look appealing.

It's designed to regenerate the area and has to sell it self as 'luxury' student accommodation so I'm guessing it will have to have some appeal. There are some nice student blocks knocking about especially in London. Mist of these kind of design were pretty much all of it is glass can not go wrong. And It may even turn out better than the renders. :)

Moreover, with its size and proximity to St Stephens, isn't this considered a prime site? It deserves quality. Anything less would be a serious disappointment.

Agreed d I think that's what they are trying to achieve the sites around this prime would are hoped to be regenerated from the benefit of this development.

This looks great, and is great for the city and very complimentary to St Stephens, and if it ING behind it, it should come off, as they where involved in St Stephens too.

Hmm :bash:


Shit, just read the last post...fucking typical luck for Hull that!

Here we go again, a very impressive proposal but we all know now that means nothing unless work actually starts. Its becoming a recurring theme now:ohno:

Very disappointed as it looked a very impressive design, despite the poor quality renders we did have.

ING should hook up with Opal - still can't believe a city the size of Hull doesn't have an Opal student accomodation block - they even have 2 in Huddersfield.

if I remember right Hudderfield Uni (ex poly) is city centre based

Huddersfield uni is in the town centre, it isn't a city.

if Hull uni carries on rising up the rankings

Hasn't it gone backwards in all the rankings that matter?

Unfortunately I have yet to visit a City in England that has more wasteland and dereliction than what Hull City Centre has.

And with this Council in charge it will never change, they had there chance when Cities like Newcastle/ Sheffield and Leeds to name a just a few was redeveloped and went through major regeneration and Hull stayed the same. Hull is at least 15 years behind most of the Country and will never catch up.

And then we have a private investor who wants to invest 120m 90 of his own money to create a sports village and Hull CC say no.

I was born in Hull and feel passionate about the place but i give up.

Examples of large areas of wasteland or empty derelict building.

The East bank.

Marina.

Behind Princess Quay

Albion square.

St stephens square

Holderness Road- Anlaby Road- Beverley Road- Hessle Road the list goes on and on.

Hull couldn't get billions of funding like Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle though.

European funding is based on area and Haltemprice being the second richest constituency in the UK means Hull gets shafted when it comes to European Funding.

I'm in Liverpool today and it looks no better off than Hull, but there are a lot more and better facilities than Hull - simply because it has had investment thrown at it.

I've seen a cycle network here that is far better than the ones in Hull, but the difference is, nobody is using them in Liverpool. If Hull had cycle paths like I've seen here - they'd be used very well.

Also, Liverpool South Parkway station is very modern, but nobody was using it and it looked like if someone plonked a modern train station on Preston Rd in Hull.

I think Haltemprice is something like 20th wealthiest constituency, not 2nd. It still doesnt apply to that totaly either, as the Leeds metro area is quite well off yet attracts the investment.

Leeds is a case of private investment forcing the hand of the govrnment to add to what the private sector has put in.

It was Carl Minns who told me of Haltemprice being second. He said he'd brought it up as a poor reason for Hull not to get funding a few times, but it kept falling on deaf ears.
He said it is a ridiculous way of deciding who gets funding and who doesn't.

I can't see Haltemprice being the reason.

It was widely circulated at the last election that Sheffield Hallam was one of the richest constituencies in the country, and Sheffield has had millions thrown at it.

Carl Minns was clearly wrong then. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3025321.stm

Still 10th wealthiest in the country, but Hallam is 2nd as Lightspeed Champion has highlighted. Kind of makes the argument that Hull lost out on EU Objective One funding on the back of Haltemprice and Howden (or whatever it was called then) obsolete. This is particularly true when Sheffield recieved massive amounts of help from the EU.

Noticed today that the old Hull Truck Theatre is being demolished. Thought I'd post this within this thread as it may be a case of clearing space for developments in the near future.

Further to previous post are these photographs from HDM website:

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/pictures/Old-Hull-Truck-Theatre-final-act/pictures-13908974-detail/pictures.html

I went by there today and it is 99% gone!

Thanks for that pippin, certainly hasnt taken them long!

Do british land own this land?

No HCC.

Now this came totally out of the blue. It seems its been approved:

https://planningpublicaccess.hullcc.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=LHUGLESO05400

It might still be built....




......in 10 years time:lol:

Jolly good!

I remain unsure of putting retail spaces on the ground floor, unless they move existing retail in that area to it, such as Marion Owen and Humberside Carpets. Leaving their former premises to be demolished?

Doubt it.