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eliasbeef
October 21st, 2010, 12:31 PM
talking of steel construction,

Real Estate Firm Makes Bold Promises to Finish Apartments in a Year’s Time
by the way, I personally know couple friends who have been victimized by this corruption, and don't seem to know what to do.

http://www.ethiopiainvestor.com/images/stories/ermiasamelga.jpg


For any curious observer of Addis Ababa’s real estate market, the promise made by managers of Access Capital Services SC, to hand over flats in two five-storey buildings within a year’s time, is indeed unique. Yet, what took the industry by surprise is their pledge to pay back homebuyers the full amount they pay upfront with 15pc annual interest, an amount above the rate banks charge borrowers, when and if the company fails to complete the apartments within a year.

In cases where homebuyers are reluctant to get their money back and want the flats they pay for, Access’s managers promise to pay monthly rental fees of up to 5,000 Br, until the time they hand over these flats to their buyers. The company has been selling these offers, running full-page ads in the newspapers in town, and inserting colorful supplements, with three-dimensional illustrations of the different types of flats.

Managers at Access will deliver the houses on time, they are confident; albeit theirs is a unique commitment. But what attracted many buyers, more than the time in which the developers promised to complete the construction, was the irresistible prices tagged on the different types of flats. The apartments include studios at 365,000 Br, one bedroom units at 495,000 Br, two bedroom units 649,000 Br, and three bedroom units 750,000 Br, including value-added tax (VAT). Many people, over 23, according to some sources, have already bought these houses; in some cases, there are buyers who bought two or three flats.

One such buyer is a businesswoman in her early 30s. Married and a mother of two, she aspires to move out from a rented house in the Kotebe area. Last week, she was at Access Real Estate’s comfortable, posh office on the third floor of Mentewab Building, behind Bambis Supermarket, signing a contract to buy a three bedroom apartment. She paid 12pc of the total value, close to a 100,000 Birr.

“I wanted to buy a flat from this company because I like the location,” she told Fortune, requesting to remain anonymous.

Hers is a reasonable choice, judging by a study conducted by Access’s research department. CMC, Ayat, and Summit areas are considered to be places for middle-income group homeowners, whether it is for rent or sale. On the high-end are areas such as Bole Japan and Bole Medhanealem as opposed to low-end homeowners in areas of Lafto, Alem Bank, and Betel Hospital.

For instance, a three bedroom (one storey) house in Bole Japan could fetch up to four million Birr when sold as opposed to 1.5 million Br in areas such as Betel and Alem Bank. In the CMC area, the same type of house could earn two million Birr, according to research. Prices are highest in Bole and Old Airport neighborhoods; roughly in the middle are areas such as CMC, Ayat, Summit, and Imperial-Gerji; and towards the lower end are neighborhoods such as Lafto, Lebu, Alem Bank, and Betel, the study finds.

The rental pattern is similar. A medium sized house (a four bedroom, one storey villa) will get up to 45,000 Br in monthly rent if it is in the Bole Japan or Old Airport area. A similar house will fetch 2,000 Br in Alem Bank and Betel areas, as opposed to 5,000 Br in CMC, Ayat, and Summit areas. Having such appeal to buyers of middle-income levels, Access is trying to introduce a pioneering way of marketing housing in an otherwise same but highly competitive real estate industry.

Much of the real estate operators are competing based on location and the type of housing they plan to erect. In terms of price, almost all of them offer a one storey house on a 250sqm plot (small size) for up to two million Birr, on a 500sqm plot for up to four million Br, and on a 1,000sqm plot for over six million Birr. Almost all commit to complete and hand over homes within 24 months, although hardly any of them have managed to do so.

Ethiopia’s flourishing real estate industry has fundamentally three categories, public financed low-income condominiums, middle-income self financed residential villas, and upscale modern housing built by real estate developers. The last of these, since the pioneering undertakings of Ayat Real Estate, has seen remarkable growth, both in the number of firms involved and in the size of the plots they claim.

Access Capital Services and its subsidiary Access Real Estate are two of the over 400 real estate firms licensed over the past decade. Of these, 125 of them have leased plots from the city administration, with a total area of 2.7 million square metres in the three years beginning in 2004, according to surveys conducted by the research wing of Access Capital Services.

The largest plot size of 291,628sqm (in Luki - in front of CMC – Gerji, and Bole Beshale areas) was taken by Sunshine Construction, followed by Habitat New Flower Homes with 120,000sqm (also in Luki), and Ambassador Real Estate with 75,000sqm. Ayat, whose leading initiative earned it a vast plot of land at a place now bearing its name, has leased an additional 35,000sqm plot in the Kazanchis area, while Trancon Real Estate’s 50,000sqm is located in Nefas Silk-Lafto District.

Neither Access Capital Homes nor its subsidiary, Access Real Estate, has leased any plot directly from the City Government. They are rather known for an apartment building under construction adjacent to Nyala Motors. The plot once belonged to an individual who sold his lease rights to Access Real Estate, a public company established two years ago with over 600 shareholders, where Access Capital Services is one of the major shareholders. The apartment near Megenagna is halfway through the construction phase, but all of the flats are sold out, according to reliable sources.

The second project bearing the name Access and with two blocks comprising 160 flats is planned to be constructed on a 8,233sqm plot, located in Yeka District, in front of the CMC compound. Developers promise to complete the construction work within a year, owing to the construction technology they plan to introduce for the first time in the local housing market. The use of steel structures (as opposed to concrete) and prefabricated magnesium oxide board (instead of bricks or shallow blocks) will drive prices down, for the benefit of homebuyers, they also believe.

Whether or not magnesium oxide board is cheaper than blocks is challenged by engineers in the industry. But, its strength (material used to manufacture pull balls) and the speed in which it is manufactured for assembly is unchallenged. Ethiopia has a bigger deposit of magnesium oxide, in the Adolla area, Oromia Regional State, than the United States and China have, experts believe.

Access Capital Services has entered into a contract with two local sister companies, Living Steel Construction Plc and Ybel Industrial Plc, to be supplied with both steel structures and magnesium oxide boards. Using these materials will make it a pioneering firm in the real estate industry.

The two companies, whose plant is in a huge warehouse inside La Gare Railway Station in Addis Ababa, rented from the Ethio-Djibouti Railway Enterprise, has hired four foreign experts with similar construction experience in Qatar. These experts, from Belgium, the United Kingdom, and South Africa, will train and supervise local employees who will assemble the prefabricated houses at Access’s site in the CMC area, says Yonas Tadesse, general manager of Living Steel Construction Plc.

The building type offers quality, durability and faster and more efficient installation for low-rise residential and non-residential construction, according to Befekadu Asefa, project manager of Living Steel Construction Plc. The boards use materials that can absorb heat and sound, according to Albert Van Tonder, the contracted Belgian. It is also resistant to fire and extreme weather conditions, the managers claim.

The local construction industry is a stranger to this. It is, instead, very familiar with concrete structures and shallow blocks. Both consume huge quantities of cement, whose price has escalated by over 300pc since 2005. And it takes time to put them together.

It is this new technology that will be used for the first time that Access’s managers are banking on to back their promises with. The technology will use less cement than conventional steel and shallow block structures, they believe, leading to reduced overall construction costs, and taking half the time needed for assembly.

“It is great to be a pioneer,” said a real estate developer who will hand over homes in the Lebu area to buyers in a few weeks. “But I would not dare to take that risk.” The man behind the real estate project and general manager of Access Capital Services, Ermias T. Amelga, is known for his daring initiatives.

Ever since he came back from the United States in the mid-1990s, where he has just been over the past couple of weeks selling his new initiatives, he took over an edible oil mill from the state and turned it into the first water bottling plant, paving the way for the emergence of a new industry that is thriving now. Ermias pushed the limits to re-establish a share dealing group, once operational during the Emperor’s time, but with little success. Although his dreams of forming the first private equity firm may not have taken off in the way he originally planned it, has today’s Access Capital Services SC led the birth of the embryonic share companies market that has flourished.

Ermias was the promoter of what came to be Zemen Bank and is now its board chairman. It is a bank known for introducing bold moves in the banking industry, such as lending based on the viability of projects (away from traditional collateral based loans) and a commercial bank operating with a one branch concept but relying on much technology.

Many bankers in the industry are skeptical about whether these initiatives will work, such as advancing loans without collateralizing assets. Yet, they cannot stop admiring his guts and daring moves.

“He thinks of business in the mindset of a US businessperson,” said a businessman resettled from the US in the real estate market. That mindset is the desire and ability to take risks.

Access Capital Services is taking this kind of risk in its latest venture with the construction of the apartments on the road to Ayat. It is very unlikely that they will be completed within the time Access said they will be completed in, according to experts in the industry.

Steel structure construction has the advantage of fast assembly and little use of concrete (only in its foundation). The companies involved in these projects have applied for certification standards from the Ethiopian Quality and Standards Authority (EQSA). But this is not a mandatory requirement. They can go ahead with their assembly of prefabricated boards, although standard certification would help in assuring buyers of the quality and safety of the products, according to experts.

Nonetheless, obtaining a construction license from the Ministry of Works and Urban Development (MoWUD) and a construction permit from the district office where the project is located is a legal requirement. They have submitted their application to MoWUD and plan to submit to the district, after the structural design is finalized, according to sources.

Both companies have applied to EQSA for approval of the South African Standard, according to Fekeremariyam Arego, director for standards development. How long the government agencies will take to respond is not clear. However, the EQSA will take at least six months before it certifies or denies standards, Fekeremariyam told Fortune. Access’s managers, however, plan to launch construction before the end of this month, June 2010, according to reliable sources.

Nonetheless, the daunting challenge and the possibility of taking longer than one year could likely come from a different front. The manner in which Access obtained the plot and the company’s intended use of the property compared to what it was originally leased for will likely be a cause for dispute with city authorities.

Hardly publicized in any of the promotional materials produced by Access’s managers is a company known as Meri Real Estate Plc, a company originally formed by Star Business Group (SBG) and Mengistu Mekonnen, with a capital of 2.4 million Br. Following Access Capital Services in joining the company, buying 70pc of the shares, the shares were redistributed. Access now has 7.2 million Br in shares, SBG has 2.38 million Br, and Mengistu has 20,000 Br, bringing Meri’s share to 9.6 million Br.

The plot where Access promises to build these apartment blocks was originally given to Tis Abay Plc, another subsidiary company formed in the mid-1990s by shareholders of SBG, Abebaw Desta, and Menweyelet Atnafu, with a 50-year lease term by the Addis Ababa City Administration, in 2006. The plot was leased for the purpose of building commercial real estate.

It was not clear how the ownership was transferred to SBG, which took it over at a price of close to 2.4 million Br, in preparation to move it to Meri. Neither is it clear how the company intends to transfer a plot taken for commercial purposes to real estate construction in the absence of a directive from the City Government. Ermias, who is general manager to both Access Capital Services and Meri and signs on the home sales contracts on behalf of both companies, was not available for comment.

However, Access is not the only real estate company with such issues. Several of the well-established firms have acquired plots from third parties, whether or not the city administration allows this. The issue has grown to be overwhelming. The land administration board of the City Government is discussing how to respond to the issue, Fortune learnt.

Until such a decision comes from the authorities, thus granting construction permits, Access may be compelled to hold its pioneering plans of launching construction this month.

[Fortune]

Yoniii
October 21st, 2010, 02:25 PM
I like Access's revolutionary approach, both in construction technology and delivery commitment.

Ethiopia has a bigger deposit of magnesium oxide, in the Adolla area, Oromia Regional State, than the United States and China have, experts believe.

Nice!

eliasbeef
October 21st, 2010, 08:10 PM
I like Access's revolutionary approach, both in construction technology and delivery commitment.



Nice!

Have you read the story, it seems to be a hoax. I think they sold a fantasy land and location they are not going to deliver.

Simfan34
October 21st, 2010, 08:16 PM
Have you read the story, it seems to be a hoax. I think they sold a fantasy land and location they are not going to deliver.

Why? They're building it, and they've legally pledged to pay back buyers if they fail to deliver. They did the same in the US- they're professionals.

abesha
October 21st, 2010, 08:29 PM
Have you read the story, it seems to be a hoax. I think they sold a fantasy land and location they are not going to deliver.

That's not true. My parents have bought an apartment there and we saw the location (which was fenced). The contract signed with them stipulates that if they don't hand over the completed apartment by the end of June, they'll pay you back with interest, or pay you ETB 5000 per month until completion.

Ahadu
October 21st, 2010, 09:41 PM
Have you read the story, it seems to be a hoax. I think they sold a fantasy land and location they are not going to deliver.

by the way, I personally know couple friends who have been victimized by this corruption, and don't seem to know what to do.
:ohno:
I don't think you know who Ermias Amalga is!

If you can, why don't you tell us more about your "couple friends" who have been victimized.

eliasbeef
October 21st, 2010, 10:33 PM
Why? They're building it, and they've legally pledged to pay back buyers if they fail to deliver. They did the same in the US- they're professionals.

No, they are not actually building it, they have been ordered to halt contraction cos of ownership mess, here is the latest news from addis fortune.

Chamber’s Neighbours Halt Building by Order


The Addis Abeba City Administration banned construction of any kind by developers who had leased land next to the plot of the Addis Abeba Chamber of Commerce and Sectoral Association (AACCSA) for the construction of Addis Africa International Exhibition Centre in front of CMC.

The AACCSA had leased a 110,126sqm plot of land in the area for 90 years in March 2006, at a cost of 2,300 Br per square metre to construct Addis Africa International Exhibition Centre.

After putting three architectural firms- Fasil Giorgis Architects, Universal Consultants, and BET Consult-on a shortlist, the chamber set the deadline, which has been postponed twice before, for the submission of designs for June 22, 2010.

However, as the AACCSA started negotiating with the city administration to give the chamber additional land for which it would get a share in the exhibition centre, the submission of the designs was put on hold.

While these negotiations were going on, the city administration wrote a letter to the Land Administration Bureau of the Yeka District on September 13, 2010, to stop all construction within a radius of around 20ht from AACCSA’s plot.

This comes as the city is in the final stages of redesigning the local development plan for the area (LDP).

“The exhibition is going to be an international one that will host a large number of people from abroad,” Kassim Fite, manager of the Land Administration and Construction Permit Authority, told Fortune. “The area around it needs to be developed with projects to this purpose, like five star hotels.”

Developers in the area received the letter that was sent to the Yeka District last week. They were told to stop any construction as the new LDP has almost been finalised and would be implemented as of the next Ethiopian month, according to Kassim.

“We had invited developers in the area to come for a consultative meeting but only two showed up, which is why we sent the letter,” he told Fortune.

Some of the developers who will be affected by this measure include Gift Real Estate, Access Real Estate, Country Trading Plc, and Blue Nile Trading, that are all in different stages of construction.

Once the LDP has been finalised, construction done in this area will be torn down for projects planned in the new LDP and compensation paid to them, according to Kassim. If there is a possibility for them to develop according to the new LDP and they are willing to, they will be given the chance. If not, they will be given an alternative location.

The negotiations between AACCSA and the city administration has progressed as far as agreeing to grant the former additional land which is yet to be determined, sources close to the negotiations disclosed to Fortune. There is also the possibility of reorienting the plot inside the 20ht plot.

Previously, AACCSA had asked the city administration for an additional 15,385sqm plot of land for the construction of an international standard hotel and to relocate the allocation of land to a site adjacent to the main road.


By HAILU TEKLEHAIMANOT
FORTUNE STAFF WRITER
http://www.addisfortune.com/Chamber%20Neighbours%20Halt%20Building%20by%20Order.htm

Yoniii
October 21st, 2010, 10:39 PM
^^ Is that in the same neighborhood? And I don't see how that's Access fault..

eliasbeef
October 21st, 2010, 10:41 PM
canceled

eliasbeef
October 21st, 2010, 10:46 PM
:ohno:
I don't think you know who Ermias Amalga is!

If you can, why don't you tell us more about your "couple friends" who have been victimized.
Don't take it too personal man, all I am doing is sharing information i got from friends and the media. In fact I and my friend phoned Ermia's amelaga's office in addis just after the above news http://www.addisfortune.com/Chamber%20Neighbours%20Halt%20Building%20by%20Order.htm and the lady we spoke to confirmed the news to be true and there are negotiations going on. what else do you expect her to say?
you may say they have promised to refund the money with 15% interest, but what is 15% when buyers like my friends who live aboard didn't have to exchange their hard currency to the birr that has since been devalued by 20%.? come on let's not try to defend the indefensible regardless of who is at fault.

Simfan34
October 21st, 2010, 11:00 PM
^^Then what is this?
I think we are getting there (modern construction approach)......just look at the construction workers with their sparkling crash helmet ---- okay, we will get the safety belts latter.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2643/29874837.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9873/29393551.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3982/50381284.jpg

Access is undertaking multiple projects.

Hersh
October 23rd, 2010, 02:09 PM
^^Then what is this?
I think we are getting there (modern construction approach)......just look at the construction workers with their sparkling crash helmet ---- okay, we will get the safety belts latter.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2643/29874837.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9873/29393551.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3982/50381284.jpg


Access is undertaking multiple projects.

^^^Simfan, do you not realize those aren't Ethiopian workers in the video from which Ahadu captured the images?

Ahadu, from the caption, it seems you also assume those people in that nifty workers' uniform are Ethiopian. Look closely and it will become clear that they are in fact Asian. I thought the physical build/stature would have given it away since the video clearly intends to give the misleading impression that those are Ethiopians.


As for Mr. Almega, he also had me fooled. He seems to be--whether intentionally or otherwise--hoodwinking a lot of people there by promising to deliver a product that circumstances will likely not allow. Take this from an expert investor in real estate.

The same thing happened to his water bottling company. It's out of business I believe.

abesha
October 23rd, 2010, 02:14 PM
Again, my family has purchased property from them, and AFAIK, there are no problems. I don't understand what the problem is. I'll be calling them in Addis sometime this week, so I'll ask them an update. I don't expect much though considering I talked to them last week.

As for Highland water, everyone in Addis knows what happened with it. It was the pioneer in the field, and competitors tarnished the name of the product (claiming that he was using tap water or something like that, and that it was not clean). I was living in Addis when it happened. Highland had to come out and try to fight the allegations, but the public chose to listen to the rumors started by the competitors, which forced it out of business.

I don't see what he had to do with this.

eliasbeef
October 23rd, 2010, 03:23 PM
Again, my family has purchased property from them, and AFAIK, there are no problems. I don't understand what the problem is. I'll be calling them in Addis sometime this week, so I'll ask them an update. I don't expect much though considering I talked to them last week.

As for Highland water, everyone in Addis knows what happened with it. It was the pioneer in the field, and competitors tarnished the name of the product (claiming that he was using tap water or something like that, and that it was not clean). I was living in Addis when it happened. Highland had to come out and try to fight the allegations, but the public chose to listen to the rumors started by the competitors, which forced it out of business.

I don't see what he had to do with this.
Ahadu may not see any thing wrong with this kind of mash-ups but the people I know to have been caught in this madness are not taking it lightly, although there might not be much they can do. the same thing has happened with Ayat who promised to deliver a shopping mall located in Ayat village which has been 4 years over due and there is no sign of them delivering it any time soon. but Didn't you think people like Samuel Amelaga are the last people you would mistrust? but there you go, I guise the country's legal system is far from being reliable in regards to protecting consumers...in what respect is it reliable anyway?
.

Yoniii
October 23rd, 2010, 04:09 PM
I guise the country's legal system is far from being reliable in regards to protecting consumers...in what respect is it reliable anyway?
..in jailing opposition members! :runaway:

Hersh
October 23rd, 2010, 09:45 PM
Again, my family has purchased property from them, and AFAIK, there are no problems. I don't understand what the problem is. I'll be calling them in Addis sometime this week, so I'll ask them an update. I don't expect much though considering I talked to them last week.
The land they are to be building on is not owned by them. It's reckless to make promises on a land owned by a third party. The location they are building on will likely be reclaimed by the government on the grounds of eminent domain, barring other likely egregious violations by the lease owners. But my hope is that it all works out. No doubt their endeavors are visionary, at least on paper.


As for Highland water, everyone in Addis knows what happened with it. It was the pioneer in the field, and competitors tarnished the name of the product (claiming that he was using tap water or something like that, and that it was not clean). I was living in Addis when it happened. Highland had to come out and try to fight the allegations, but the public chose to listen to the rumors started by the competitors, which forced it out of business.

I don't see what he had to do with this.

I'm not sure how you find those contradictions can both be true at the same time. If "everyone knew" what happened, which public is it that got fooled by the rumors. Or did they conveniently accept the "truth" after the damage had already been done?

I won't presume to know what happened with Highland water in details, but is your defense of it driven by mere trust or by concrete evidence?

I'm also curious as to how you find confidence in asserting unknowables like the claim that competitors started the rumor. Or that it is in fact mere rumors for that matter.

Ahadu
October 23rd, 2010, 10:30 PM
Ahadu, from the caption, it seems you also assume those people in that nifty workers' uniform are Ethiopian. Look closely and it will become clear that they are in fact Asian. I thought the physical build/stature would have given it away since the video clearly intends to give the misleading impression that those are Ethiopians.
^^
Deep inside me, I had doubt with that "nifty workers' uniform" anyway - I took it at face value tho.
How can we find out, other than speculation, if this is really a misleading and deceptive conduct?

I will definitely try to call them & find out about their pro-video!!

Ahadu
October 23rd, 2010, 10:55 PM
Ahadu may not see any thing wrong with this kind of mash-ups but the people I know to have been caught in this madness are not taking it lightly, although there might not be much they can do.
I prefer to give Ermias the benefit of the doubt.


...the same thing has happened with Ayat who promised to deliver a shopping mall located in Ayat village which has been 4 years over due and there is no sign of them delivering it any time soon.
True. Ayat/Hayat whatever the name is, has really a very bad reputation.

[B]but there you go, I guise the country's legal system is far from being reliable in regards to protecting consumers...in what respect is it reliable anyway?

beef,
Jump on YouTube and learn more about Ermias Amalga's business empire. His business approach is quiet radical. It is new for the country. To be honest, he is one step ahead for Ethiopians' business mind set. You shouldn't be surprised if people are suspicious about & paint him with everything bad.

Woyane/EPRDF government is way behind, in terms of setting up rules and regulations for a free market, to level the playing ground. In one of his interview, you can see how Ermias is frustrated with the lack of consumer protection mechanism. That's why he is offering, at least from his side, some sort of compensation & try to build up consumer confident.

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 02:22 AM
^^
Deep inside me, I had doubt with that "nifty workers' uniform" anyway - I took it at face value tho.
How can we find out, other than speculation, if this is really a misleading and deceptive conduct?

I will definitely try to call them & find out about their pro-video!!

Trusts me I, like you, also wished they were Ethiopian. It would clearly have been a divergence from the abysmal standard to which the Ethiopian construction community adheres. You are talking about people who tie sticks and branches together, overlay it with planks, and call it scaffolding.

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 03:29 AM
Well those people are obviously not Ethiopian because the brochure was prepared before the technology ever arrived in the country. The point was to show how it looks. I thought that would be obvious.

Hersh, I don't remember the details of Highland water, but I know that after the initial wave of rumors appeared and people stopped purchasing it, the true story came out. I don't remember if it was a lawsuit or if it was the government that stated the water was not tap. Whatever it was though, Highland could never get the momentum back.

Ahadu
October 24th, 2010, 03:53 AM
Trusts me I, like you, also wished they were Ethiopian. It would clearly have been a divergence from the abysmal standard to which the Ethiopian construction community adheres.

We all wish better things for that God forsaken country. Blaming the government is one thing, but, it breaks your heart when the private industry becomes more greedy & irresponsible with no vision or dream. Painful and sad to see those Western based & well educated Ethiopian investors becoming artful in cheating and deceiving.

I do, however, have some hope that son of Amalga is not Leba & Ye Balegay Lij . Finger crossed!!

I went back to Access Capital promotional video and watched it carefully.

Have a look this pic......some doubts still there tho.

doubt 1:
I can see a black hand with a bracelet. The workers, therefore, are not Chinese. Hmmmm....but..do Ethiopian men have the habit of having a bracelet????....looks & smells South African to me!!

doubt 2:
I do not think there is an Ethiopian company with a capacity to make those metal frames. Besides, the promo-video is showing a single building on a small plot of land somewhere at CMC, but at the same time an army of block of buildings at the construction site.....it just doesn't add up.


http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6876/19575659.jpg

Yoniii
October 24th, 2010, 04:07 AM
The workers in that promotion video look Indian/Pakistani to me.

rasta55
October 24th, 2010, 07:56 AM
I appreciate a lot of what Ahadu had to say...and I too have the same concerns...
basically we do not want our nation to fall prey to what unfortunately Nigeria, Kenya and several other African countries fell to... and that is smooth operating shysters taking advantage of clueless hard working folks being taken for a ride & handing over their hard earned money...
I guess we'll have to trust the gov't will do what's expected of it and closely regulate the real estate industry with the same vigilance they are applying to the banking industry...
at the same time we also need to make sure we're not discouraging honest investors looking to long term gains..

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Ahadu, I never said they were Chinese. You're making that dreaded common mistake the ignorants make ;)....I'm sure in your case, it's probably inadvertent.

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 08:56 AM
Did anyone read my comment? How are they going to have images of Ethiopian construction workers working with steel frames if the technology is not yet in use in the country?
Those images were just to show how the construction looks nothing more nothing less. They never claimed that those were the workers on the condo site. This is not some sinister plot to stiff people by showing foreign construction workers. :ohno:
It's like showing a construction render to people. It shows you what it will be like, not what is there already.

If you go to their office in Addis, they will show you promotional videos there as well with details on the construction method and will answer your questions.

Ahadu
October 24th, 2010, 09:45 AM
....Look closely and it will become clear that they are in fact Asian. I thought the physical build/stature....

Ahadu, I never said they were Chinese. You're making that dreaded common mistake the ignorants make....I'm sure in your case, it's probably inadvertent.

I give up. You are too sharp!:)
Buddy, I’m not jabbing at you purposely. Probably, my frontal lobe took your Asia as China spontaneously.

Take it easy!

Yoniii
October 24th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Did anyone read my comment?
Yeah, it's obvious that this is just for promotional use. The construction hasn't even started yet. Access seem to be one of the most serious players in the game.

eliasbeef
October 24th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Yeah, it's obvious that this is just for promotional use. The construction hasn't even started yet. Access seem to be one of the most serious players in the game.
They had started digging for foundation when I was there couple of months a go, then came this news that they have been ordered to halt construction...
http://www.addisfortune.com/Vol_10_No_545_Archive/Chamber%20Neighbours%20Halt%20Building%20by%20Order.htm

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 10:04 PM
Did anyone read my comment? How are they going to have images of Ethiopian construction workers working with steel frames if the technology is not yet in use in the country?
Those images were just to show how the construction looks nothing more nothing less. They never claimed that those were the workers on the condo site. This is not some sinister plot to stiff people by showing foreign construction workers. :ohno:
It's like showing a construction render to people. It shows you what it will be like, not what is there already.

If you go to their office in Addis, they will show you promotional videos there as well with details on the construction method and will answer your questions.

oh Abesha, you have vested too much interest in the ideals of Access Capital to see the reality. It helps to avoid viewing this from an emotive vantage point. No company is perfect, no matter how successfully they market themselves.

If you had "read my comment," you would have noticed that I said that the plot of land Access is trying to build on will likely be taken away on the basis of eminent domain. And as my colleague in the commercial real estate industry rightfully predicted, eliasbeef posted an article that shows precisely that.

I hope your family gets compensated for what they've paid for or another solution is devised.

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 10:21 PM
Hersh, I don't remember the details of Highland water, but I know that after the initial wave of rumors appeared and people stopped purchasing it, the true story came out. I don't remember if it was a lawsuit or if it was the government that stated the water was not tap. Whatever it was though, Highland could never get the momentum back.

Btw, the Highland water issue primarily came from a lawsuit from the internal revenue office. Tax lean is causing their company to be sold off. The company is still the number one producer of bottled water and and the only bottle company serving bottles to the competition as well. So the notion that they started some rumors seems ridiculous to me.

Ultimately, they failed to pay tax in their transaction between their bottle production company and their water bottling company claiming that its just transaction within one company, even though when they were selling the bottles to other companies those companies were paying tax on it. The government won the case and is seeking to sell off the company to satisfy what they owe to both Awash and the government.

But since Awash bank had loaned them 70 Million Br., and loan supersedes tax lean, they put the company on auction for 100 Million Br. and got no offers. My guess is that they will likely just take over the company eventually and keep it running until they have satisfied the loan obligations and tax lean.

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 10:40 PM
Whatever you want Hersh. I'm not going to waste my time on this. My parents live less than a km from the construction site so I trust their judgment better. I'm not saying Access is perfect, I don't even know the people who put it in place personally (although my father does). But the condemnation and the ridiculous suspicions expressed here are bewildering.
But then again, when you are a pioneer in the field it's to be expected. Besides Ethiopians are notoriously resistant to change and new ideas.

eta: if they were made to halt construction because of the Chamber's demands, in what way does it show wrongdoing on the part of the developers? That's the part I don't get. Why are the two issues tied together?

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 10:50 PM
Whatever you want Hersh. I'm not going to waste my time on this. My parents live less than a km from the construction site so I trust their judgment better. I'm not saying Access is perfect, I don't even know the people who put it in place personally (although my father does). But the condemnation and the ridiculous suspicions expressed here are bewildering.
But then again, when you are a pioneer in the field it's to be expected. Besides Ethiopians are notoriously resistant to change and new ideas.

What the hell? Did you not read the article? :ohno:

This isn't conjecture or a matter of speculation. The Addis Africa International Exhibition center will have eminent domain rights over any other residential construction in the area. And it is precisely based on that, that they have been able to halt any new construction, including that of Access Real Estate. I said already said this would be the case on my first post.

Unless they build something that complements the directives of the exhibition center (e.g. luxury hotels), it will not be allowed to be built. They have said this explicitly.

READ HERE (http://www.addisfortune.com/Vol_10_No_545_Archive/Chamber%20Neighbours%20Halt%20Building%20by%20Order.htm)

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 10:52 PM
I edited my post and added a question. That's what I meant and I realised I wasn't clear.

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 11:01 PM
eta: if they were made to halt construction because of the Chamber's demands, in what way does it show wrongdoing on the part of the developers? That's the part I don't get. Why are the two issues tied together?

I was never a proponent of the idea that they were crooks out to get people. I actually admire their efforts. They are pioneers.

But in addition to that, they are also businessmen. And when they make unwise and reckless decisions with people's money, they need to be criticized for it, and held accountable.

Their fault lies in not only trying to build on land whose lease is held by a third party, but also trying to construct in an area that any experienced real estate developer should know will pose eminent domain threats, if not now, certainly later.

The reason the Highland water issue was also involved was to highlight a pattern of making irresponsible moves in an effort to make profit. Ermias is somewhat of a visionary for an Ethiopian, but he's also shown to be irresponsible in more than one occasion. He may have understandably felt that he'd get special treatment from the government because of his social background. But irresponsible is irresponsible, no matter what fancy package it comes in.

That's all.


That said, I still support the ultimate endeavor of transforming the construction industry to modernity.

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 11:09 PM
In that article I read, it doesn't say that they are building on land that was leased to someone else. The Chamber of Commerce decided to expand its landholding and went to the government to make it happen, at the expense of several developers who were already allocated the land and had started construction.
This is 100% the fault of the government. This is something that has been seen in several parts of the city where they allocate the same plot to 2-3 different entities and create fights.
For instance the area where the Commercial Bank is supposed to build its HQ was contested by Africa Insurance and the other companies on the plot because legally, they are entitled to it first.
This is the incompetence of the government, not recklessness by the real estate developers. It's not like they can decide to build anywhere without getting the necessary permits. They are not chereka betoch.

As for Highland, as I said I don't remember the details of what happened at the time, but I do remember that it was somehow confirmed that the claims against them were erroneous. The tax issue is very recent and doesn't date from that period.

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 11:24 PM
In that article I read, it doesn't say that they are building on land that was leased to someone else. The Chamber of Commerce decided to expand its landholding and went to the government to make it happen, at the expense of several developers who were already allocated the land and had started construction.
This is 100% the fault of the government. This is something that has been seen in several parts of the city where they allocate the same plot to 2-3 different entities and create fights.
For instance the area where the Commercial Bank is supposed to build its HQ was contested by Africa Insurance and the other companies on the plot because legally, they are entitled to it first.
This is the incompetence of the government, not recklessness by the real estate developers. It's not like they can decide to build anywhere without getting the necessary permits. They are not chereka betoch.
It doesn't say that the land is owned by someone else in this particular article, but it certainly is. This is something even the company admits.

As for the rest, I wouldn't normally side with the government on things, but it's not their fault for the mere fact that things like this are not unprecedented. Perhaps the fact that the Local Developmental Plan had to be revised could be seen as being partially at fault.

But the issue you have to understand isn't a matter of leasing the same plot to multiple people. That, even if it were part of the problem, is irrelevant. Per the developmental plan of the city, there are areas that will always be off limits to residential construction. You don't build a condominium next to a convention center or a stadium, even if the law doesn't bar you from doing so. This just basic real estate dev 101.

The fact that the Chamber of Commerce's exhibition center decided to expand its reach is only a manifestation of what was bound to happen sooner or later. They didn't just come out of nowhere. Access Capital had to have known this. Even if they didn't need the land at the moment, eventually their eminent domain privileges would have trumped anything else and the condos would have had to be torn down.

The exhibition center is in the strategic developmental interest of the country. You don't build condos next to it.

As for Highland, as I said I don't remember the details of what happened at the time, but I do remember that it was somehow confirmed that the claims against them were erroneous. The tax issue is very recent and doesn't date from that period.
I'm not privy to the rumors and whatnot. That certainly didn't bring the company down as it continued to be the number producer of bottled water. The tax issue was the most egregious mistake.

Hersh
October 24th, 2010, 11:33 PM
This was exactly what a real estate developer told me would happen. He said that it's a stupid idea for them to build there and that it would be torn down. Just wait and see.

Then what do you know, this article comes out.

abesha
October 24th, 2010, 11:52 PM
I don't think we are reading the same article at all.

However, as the AACCSA started negotiating with the city administration to give the chamber additional land for which it would get a share in the exhibition centre, the submission of the designs was put on hold.

While these negotiations were going on, the city administration wrote a letter to the Land Administration Bureau of the Yeka District on September 13, 2010, to stop all construction within a radius of around 20ht from AACCSA’s plot.

This is what I'm reading.

It was up to the city officials to make sure there were no claims to that land before handing it over to real estate developers. If they didn't have guilt in this, they would not be offering compensation. It's hard for me to believe that the developers are at fault since: a. you can only get land from the government so how did the city not know? and b. there are so many of them; it's not just one renegade developer. This is a problem that has been seen over and over in Addis because of the lack of coordination in the city's land allocation.

Once the LDP has been finalised, construction done in this area will be torn down for projects planned in the new LDP and compensation paid to them, according to Kassim. If there is a possibility for them to develop according to the new LDP and they are willing to, they will be given the chance. If not, they will be given an alternative location.


Here's an excerpt about the problems by CBE:

Commercial Bank of Ethiopia (CBE) has run into problems in its attempts to construct a new headquarters. Although the Bank sees the plot as ideal for the proposed project, the land has a plethora of claims laid on it, spanning numerous companies and government agencies.

The largest bank in the country, Commercial Bank of Ethiopia (CBE), is facing an equally large land dispute on a 7,000sqm plot that it has been trying to lease from the Addis Abeba City Caretaker Administration(AACCA).
You have to sign up to get the rest. http://allafrica.com/stories/200704030927.html

A delay in the handover of the land was caused by the claim of Alemta Impex Plc, a local firm involved in agriculture, import and pharmaceuticals manufacturing. It had already been granted a portion of the plot before CBE signed a lease agreement with the city administration, according to their claim. http://www.addisfortune.com/CBE%20Evaluating%20Design%20Entries%20for%20Headquarters.htm

Hersh
October 25th, 2010, 12:23 AM
What was described in the excerpt is essentially the process of exercising eminent domain privileges, abesha.
If there is a possibility for them to develop according to the new LDP and they are willing to, they will be given the chance. If not, they will be given an alternative location.

The problem wasn't that the land was promised to the Chamber first. The request for additional land was submitted later. And since the commercial value of the exhibition center had strategic precedence over the residential construction (which seems to go against he LDP designs anyway), all activity on it was put on hold while the negotiation commenced. I don't know what you mean about how did the city not know. How did the city not know what?

Moreover, whether there was one developer or multiple is really beside the point. I'm not sure I follow your logic behind the compensation though. Whenever the government exercises eminent domain, it removes people by compensating them. It's not an admission of guilt for some wrongdoing.

abesha
October 25th, 2010, 12:39 AM
You are claiming that the real estate developers made reckless decisions by building there. I disagree. It's not like they can start building on a plot of land that was not approved. The city government should not allocate the land if it's not in line with its vision, then revoke it after construction starts. It's irresponsible and unprofessional. I don't see how you put the blame on developers and absolve the government on this.

I think this is just going in circles so why don't we just quit?

eliasbeef
October 25th, 2010, 10:18 AM
You are claiming that the real estate developers made reckless decisions by building there. I disagree. It's not like they can start building on a plot of land that was not approved. The city government should not allocate the land if it's not in line with its vision, then revoke it after construction starts. It's irresponsible and unprofessional. I don't see how you put the blame on developers and absolve the government on this.

I think this is just going in circles so why don't we just quit?

cheer-up guys, my friend who bought a three bedroom apartment from access has just rang access office and was told, 'while negotiation is still going on, access is considering to build this very project on a plot they own in BoleMichael'. how about that?

Hersh
October 25th, 2010, 08:06 PM
You are claiming that the real estate developers made reckless decisions by building there. I disagree. It's not like they can start building on a plot of land that was not approved. The city government should not allocate the land if it's not in line with its vision, then revoke it after construction starts. It's irresponsible and unprofessional. I don't see how you put the blame on developers and absolve the government on this.

I think this is just going in circles so why don't we just quit?

That's because I expect the developers to be more astute about these things than the government. At the end of the day, it's not the government that has made promises to people, it's the developers. And when signing a lease, the government's right to exercise eminent domain is stipulated. This happens everywhere, including the West. It doesn't necessarily make them reckless. The exhibition center didn't need the land initially, so the government had little reason to deny them, although I agree they should have at least warned them (but who knows if they did?). But beyond that, practicing good judgment is the responsibility of the party that's making promises to its customers.

And by the way, in the contract, you will find that the promise by Access to pay back the amount in interest, in the event that something like this occurs, is not honored, so they really didn't have too much to lose in taking a risk.

But I digress. I am in no business of defending the government. This was simply a matter of foresight. If a real estate developer from here could see this coming, why couldn't they?

We can leave it at that.

keirajohnson
October 27th, 2010, 09:30 AM
Ethiopia flourishing real estate sector is basically three categories of public finance for low-income apartment buildings, a middle-income self-funded residential homes and luxury homes built to modern real estate developers. The latter, because of the pioneer companies Ayat Real Estate has experienced significant growth in the number of companies involved and the size of the plots they claim.

eliasbeef
May 16th, 2011, 08:11 PM
this thread is slacking.


c'mon guys, let's pick it up.

it is a dry season in terms of holiday trips to Ethiopia...here is some thing we have discused about in the past..access capital to pay for three months' delay..
http://www.addisfortune.com/Access%20Capital%20to%20Pay%20for%20Three%20Months%20Delay.htm

Skyliner123
May 17th, 2011, 12:08 AM
it is a dry season in terms of holiday trips to Ethiopia...here is some thing we have discused about in the past..access capital to pay for three months' delay..
http://www.addisfortune.com/Access%20Capital%20to%20Pay%20for%20Three%20Months%20Delay.htm


mike7743,...I agree.


Eliasbeef,

If I were Access, I would have put a disclaimer saying that the compensation does not apply to government related delays!

yosiast
August 21st, 2011, 07:34 AM
Well those people are obviously not Ethiopian because the brochure was prepared before the technology ever arrived in the country. The point was to show how it looks. I thought that would be obvious.

Hersh, I don't remember the details of Highland water, but I know that after the initial wave of rumors appeared and people stopped purchasing it, the true story came out. I don't remember if it was a lawsuit or if it was the government that stated the water was not tap. Whatever it was though, Highland could never get the momentum back.

Just because you don't know such technology has been introduced to Ethiopia doesn't give you the right to make a judgement about it. I actually know the people that produced the house on the video/screenshot and most of the steel products are made in Ethiopia, by Ethiopians, and the homes are built by Ethiopians 100%. Wake up. Stop underestimating your own people. Open your eyes.

abesha
August 21st, 2011, 09:17 PM
Just because you don't know such technology has been introduced to Ethiopia doesn't give you the right to make a judgement about it. I actually know the people that produced the house on the video/screenshot and most of the steel products are made in Ethiopia, by Ethiopians, and the homes are built by Ethiopians 100%. Wake up. Stop underestimating your own people. Open your eyes.

What are you talking about? This is your first post and already you are BSing.

Hersh
August 22nd, 2011, 12:36 AM
^^ I was wondering the same thing. :lol:

yosef
August 22nd, 2011, 12:42 AM
lol, welcome to the board yosiast...interesting name also :shifty:

yosiast
August 23rd, 2011, 07:40 AM
What are you talking about? This is your first post and already you are BSing.

I'm just saying that we in the diaspora are always quick to say "no this can't be in Ethiopia, no it has to be somewhere else"...as if we arenot capable of doing more. I just wish we can think a little positively and try not to look for negative things all the time....this is in regards to the Access posts in general. Anyways, I didn't mean any disrespect to anyone in anyway. Just trying to make a point that our mentality needs to change. Much love.

yosiast
August 23rd, 2011, 07:49 AM
lol, welcome to the board yosiast...interesting name also :shifty:

Thank you Yosef. I've always been checking out the ET threads on this site for years. I'm just not sure why I hadn't joined all this time.

abesha
August 23rd, 2011, 05:17 PM
Yosiast, I'm possibly one of the most positive people about Ethiopia and her people's capabilities so you're unfairly judging me.

Either way, welcome to our little community and I hope you'll stick around :)

yosiast
August 23rd, 2011, 07:18 PM
Yosiast, I'm possibly one of the most positive people about Ethiopia and her people's capabilities so you're unfairly judging me.

Either way, welcome to our little community and I hope you'll stick around :)

Thank you Abesha.

Zeggundan
February 17th, 2012, 11:02 AM
It is a big scam and I think acces is just another corrupted Ethiopian company--ashamed to be Ethiopian as I brought in forgiener investors too.
Zeggundan

Yoniii
February 17th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Where did you buy an aprtament? I just think they're delayed, a friend of mine get status updates via mail.