昭揚文藝特區豪宅案

119m 34F

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hmm i kinda like it. i think they need to incorporate the podium design into the towers more tho. it's just a brown box.

nice! more like a 21st century apartment block! hahaha :D

nice! more like a 21st century apartment block! hahaha :D

dont hold your breath. they might 'taiwanese' it be covering the balconies or walls with bathroom tiles or something. :lol:

dont hold your breath. they might 'taiwanese' it be covering the balconies or walls with bathroom tiles or something. :lol:

It is not in this case.
It has become popular that each new apartment has itw own board to control this type of issue. These balcones never be built in these new buildings.

this building has somthing of the 70's according to me, but it's not bad!

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a social housing complex built between the 60's and the 70's, in créteil (in the parisian suburbs), designed by gérard grandval.

It is not in this case.
It has become popular that each new apartment has itw own board to control this type of issue. These balcones never be built in these new buildings.

but there are balconies in the rendering. lots of them.

this building has somthing of the 70's according to me, but it's not bad!

yes it has a totally retro look. i guess taiwan is catching up. only a couple more decades before they catch up to current architectural trends!! :lol:

emm.. how can u compare that social housing apartments to the other one.. its totally different

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7962/6966.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/6966.jpg/)

a social housing complex built between the 60's and the 70's, in créteil (in the parisian suburbs), designed by gérard grandval.

Taipei is planning build social hosings because the high housing price really take out young people and middle class capability of buying their own house.

Is there any experience should Taipei learn from social housings in Europe?

Taipei is planning build social hosings because the high housing price really take out young people and middle class capability of buying their own house.

Is there any experience should Taipei learn from social housings in Europe?

Yes! Please don't make it ugly!! Social housin does not have to look ugly. it can be very attractive yet economically constructed. Hell it can be concrete like most buildings in taiwan but just paint it nice colors! Paint is not that expensive!! :nuts:

I dont think it should be considered as "social housing".. "its more like affordable housing". Social housing is for people that is unemployed or disadvantaged.

Social housing should be rolled out soon. I hear many places around the route of TTIA MRT is going to have affordable housing built by the government which is good! Taipei housing is unaffordable. I dont know why housing is so expensive. ShinBei City (Taipei County) prices have gone up as well and it will keep going up after the upgrade of municipality status. This is going to be a big issue in the medium term where 50% of the work force earns under $40,000 per month and that they cannot afford any housing.

Taipei is planning build social hosings because the high housing price really take out young people and middle class capability of buying their own house.

Is there any experience should Taipei learn from social housings in Europe?above all, the european experience shows that we shouldn't build a too large and isolated complex. otherwise with poverty and social isolation, all these social housing areas will be places where the criminality will developp...

above all, the european experience shows that we shouldn't build a too large and isolated complex. otherwise with poverty and social isolation, all these social housing areas will be places where the criminality will developp...

I do not think Government is planning on developing social housing. What they are trying to do is to build affordable housing (subsidized by government) to keep the general housing inflation down. Many young people in Taiwan cannot afford to buy houses. With the gap between the rich and the poor continue to widen, they have to do something about it.

What the government isn't doing is that they are not spending money REDEVELOPING already developed land but rather build housing on vacant land outside Taipei. That is not going to keep the housing prices down in Taipei. What they should do is to buy old old 2-4 story housing (those ugly ones still around taipei) and knock them down to replace them with highrise affordable housing for lower income bracket citizens. It will cost a lot of money but they should consider it and start slowly. Taipei housing is way too expensive and the property prices are all controlled by big corporates. Normal citizens will not be able to do anything about it. Only government interventions can solve this problem now.

Oh, forgot to make a statement from your comment. Most Taiwanese youths stay with their parents so social housing arent really neccessary. They either inheret from parent or still stay with parent (3 generation stay together - culture). So social housing for the unemployed isnt really neccessary on a big scale.

Oh, forgot to make a statement from your comment. Most Taiwanese youths stay with their parents so social housing arent really neccessary. They either inheret from parent or still stay with parent (3 generation stay together - culture). So social housing for the unemployed isnt really neccessary on a big scale.sure, taiwan has another social situation then the europe's one. but at the same time, i think we shouldn't overestimate the family solidarity in tw, there have always been young people who hava no other choice than being xiao di or xiao jie..unfortunatly...

and in europe, with economic crisis, there are more and more young people who stay longtime in the family unit.

DPP Chairperson talks about Affordable housing in ShinBei City:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e07MCzsZOKo&feature=channel

She talks about buying 40% of the housing and redevelop them. She definitely know what shes doing. Theres other videos talking about transport, crime, city and industrial development issues from her!

A place I grew up has some interesting project plans by local developer 昇捷建設,which is seeking high-quaility designed project for Taoyuan.

There are recent projects they are planning.

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都市更新案
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經國綜合開發案
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昇捷建設 is a developer has very slow process. They only very few project in past 4 years because they spend a lot of time on planning and design (I believe they only come out 1 or 2 projects).

i like :)

昭揚文藝特區豪宅案

119m 34F

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I probably will work in this company for my working experience as I am struggling to find working experience in Australia.

I just realised my parents have strong friendship with the boss. :nuts:
(What the hell!?)

I probably will work in this company for my working experience as I am struggling to find working experience in Australia.

I just realised my parents have strong friendship with the boss. :nuts:
(What the hell!?)

YEPP you should and the company designs good buildings.

I probably will work in this company for my working experience as I am struggling to find working experience in Australia.

I just realised my parents have strong friendship with the boss. :nuts:
(What the hell!?)

wait, are you an architect??

wait, are you an architect??

No, I am construction person, not design person. :lol:

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元智大學

wow santiago calatrava is actually going to work on a project in taiwan!! for yuan ze university in taoyuan. if only he can design terminal 3 for taoyuan airport!!


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http://www.yzu.edu.tw/index.php/component/option,com_alphacontent/section,2/task,view/id,4440/Itemid,236/lang,tw/



can somebody translate what the website says??

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This is a good apartment building :)

World Famed Architect Santiago Calatrava Releases His Maiden Work in Asia

http://web2.yzu.edu.tw/e_news/652/%E5%8D%A1%E6%8B%89%E7%89%B9%E6%8B%89%E7%93%A6%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB%E7%82%BA%E4%BB%96%E5%9C%A8%E4%BA%9E%E6%B4%B2%E7%9A%84%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E5%80%8B%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81%E5%85%83%E6%99%BA%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%B8%E6%9C%89%E5%BA%A0%E7%B4%80%E5%BF%B5%E9%A4%A8%E6%8F%AD%E5%B9%95.jpg

http://web2.yzu.edu.tw/e_news/652/1_topic01.html

Santiago Calatrava, a world-renowned architect, engineer and sculptor, revealed his first-ever architectural design model in Asia during a talk on Tuesday evening in Taipei, which had a turnout of more than 1,000 people.

The world-class design project of three buildings - a memorial hall, a concert hall and an art school - at Yuan Ze University (元智大學) in Taoyuan County is expected to significantly boost Taiwan’s presence on the international stage and become a new landmark in northern Taiwan.

“Taiwan is becoming more and more international. To become a player in the international community, Taiwan must have works designed by an international architect,” , said Douglas Hsu (徐旭東) chairman of Far Eastern Group (遠東集團), during the talk at Shangri-La’s Far Eastern Plaza Hotel, Taipei.

...“It is exciting news that the world’s top architect is going to design its first building in Asia at Yuan Ze University. This will drive the local industrial development and greatly improve architectural standards the in Taoyuan County,” the talk’s organizer said in a statement.

Douglas Hsu agrees with kalifese too. :):):)

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World Famed Architect Santiago Calatrava Releases His Maiden Work in Asia

http://web2.yzu.edu.tw/e_news/652/%E5%8D%A1%E6%8B%89%E7%89%B9%E6%8B%89%E7%93%A6%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB%E7%82%BA%E4%BB%96%E5%9C%A8%E4%BA%9E%E6%B4%B2%E7%9A%84%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E5%80%8B%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81%E5%85%83%E6%99%BA%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%B8%E6%9C%89%E5%BA%A0%E7%B4%80%E5%BF%B5%E9%A4%A8%E6%8F%AD%E5%B9%95.jpg

http://web2.yzu.edu.tw/e_news/652/1_topic01.html



Douglas Hsu agrees with kalifese too. :):):)

No, big business is betraying Taiwan! Taiwan should not let foreigners earn a penny!:lol:


海角七號:山要BOT，土要BOT，現在連海也要BOT?! :nuts:
圖利財團:nuts:
無能政府:nuts:
一般民眾看得到,吃不到.:nuts:
本地勞工吃不到,也看不到.:nuts:
錢都給外國人賺走了啦!:nuts:

No, big business is betraying Taiwan! Taiwan should not let foreigners earn a penny!:lol:

:lol::lol::lol:
That is exactly a lot of people are saying as far as I known. :nuts:

OMG! No ways.. Thats bull! You guys are so conservative. This is the 21st century. PLEASE! Globalisation is the way to go. Foreigners should flock into the country and refurbish Taiwan..

OMG! No ways.. Thats bull! You guys are so conservative. This is the 21st century. PLEASE! Globalisation is the way to go. Foreigners should flock into the country and refurbish Taiwan..


see that's what i've been saying all this time!! finally someone's got sense to agree with me!! cuz taiwan definitely needs the help!! :banana:

OMG! No ways.. Thats bull! You guys are so conservative. This is the 21st century. PLEASE! Globalisation is the way to go. Foreigners should flock into the country and refurbish Taiwan..

I think it all about public anger and they try to find some way to abreact.
1. In Taiwan, more and more dudes start rethink about Europeans and Americans (most foreigners people mostly consider). I am not sure it is good or not. But I can tell more and more people think globalisation is not good as some people saying. And as internet continues expanding, more people understand European national debt and how stupid of European politics are. I believe more and more people in Taiwan are thinking they are not good as we usually thought in past 60 years.
2. I guess nationalism also play big part. I am not sure how do explain it, but there are indications. People start to think local more, and get angry with unfair treat by foreigner. People can get angry with CNN when they select top 10 disgusting food. And there is business battle between local company and foreign company, like Apple vs. HTC. People in Taiwan support HTC as it is recognised as Taiwanese company. F-16 military contract conflict between Taiwan and USA. It really makes Taiwanese start to think we should protect ourselves rather than rely on US. So the self-produced project start again, billions dollars have approved by central government. Public think US do nothing. FTA with US also cause conflict to public, American beef is not acceptable by public as it contains ractopamine. Public is worry about it and public don’t like US attitude. When business groups say we need to open our market as soon as possible, public blame pretty much make business groups go silence.
3. And as usual, public never like business groups. The words 圖利財團always be talked. The anger never stop and be enhanced by unfair tax, irresponsibility of business groups, these sorts of issues……people are really angry with politics for doing nothing to these business groups. The incidents such as farmland expropriation in early year, public make a series protects against land expropriation for building new industrial district and new development. Last year, Formosa Plastics group get series of explosions (6 times) in their oil refinery within one year. Thousands people are come out for protest. This anger is just get bigger and bigger.

china and south korea are two ultra-nationalist countries. yet they always look to foreigners for assistance when developing such industries as construction, high-tech, and defense - china depends on russia for military technlogy and s. korea on u.s. they also chose foreigners to develop their mega projects like airports, supertalls, science parks, aerotropolises, etc. they seek to learn from advanced western countries by inviting foreign experts/companies to work in their home countries or by sending their nationals overseas for education/professional training. because their main goal is to acquire skillsets so they can eventually become independent and self-sufficient. china can already build a lot of the weapons they used to buy from russia and they are looking to build their own high-speed trains, commercial planes, etc. i see in china and s. korea immense nationalism that i do not see in taiwan. part of the problem is that taiwanese dont even know if they are a country or not. how can you be nationalistic if you dont even know if you are a country and you are not even allowed to play national anthem, fly national flag, say your country name, etc. in international events like olympics?

the fact that taiwan decided not to continue developing IDF fighters after they purchased f-16 a/bs 20 years ago was really stupid because now they are in a bind as the u.s. under obama doesnt want to sell any more f-16s to them. so taiwanese are screwed. i do believe taiwanese have the capability to develop own fighters if they invest in it. if china can build fighters and other weaponry, why cant taiwan? taiwan is a huge investor in china and a big percentage of chinese hi-tech industry is taiwanese owned or backed.

so i think this excuse of not wanting to open to outsiders due to nationalism is ill-thought, unwise and only hurts taiwan. taiwan needs the world more than the world needs taiwan as taiwan is no japan.

china and south korea are two ultra-nationalist countries. yet they always look to foreigners for assistance when developing such industries as construction, high-tech, and defense - china depends on russia for military technlogy and s. korea on u.s. they also chose foreigners to develop their mega projects like airports, supertalls, science parks, aerotropolises, etc. they seek to learn from advanced western countries by inviting foreign experts/companies to work in their home countries or by sending their nationals overseas for education/professional training. because their main goal is to acquire skillsets so they can eventually become independent and self-sufficient. china can already build a lot of the weapons they used to buy from russia and they are looking to build their own high-speed trains, commercial planes, etc. i see in china and s. korea immense nationalism that i do not see in taiwan. part of the problem is that taiwanese dont even know if they are a country or not. how can you be nationalistic if you dont even know if you are a country and you are not even allowed to play national anthem, fly national flag, say your country name, etc. in international events like olympics?

the fact that taiwan decided not to continue developing IDF fighters after they purchased f-16 a/bs 20 years ago was really stupid because now they are in a bind as the u.s. under obama doesnt want to sell any more f-16s to them. so taiwanese are screwed. i do believe taiwanese have the capability to develop own fighters if they invest in it. if china can build fighters and other weaponry, why cant taiwan? taiwan is a huge investor in china and a big percentage of chinese hi-tech industry is taiwanese owned or backed.

so i think this excuse of not wanting to open to outsiders due to nationalism is ill-thought, unwise and only hurts taiwan. taiwan needs the world more than the world needs taiwan as taiwan is no japan.

I don't think it is mind of don't wanting to open to outsiders because Taiwanese still welcome outsiders as usual. But Taiwanese start rethink themselves, think about what they can do rethink for themselves.

I can see similar things happen around East Asia.

I don't think it is mind of don't wanting to open to outsiders because Taiwanese still welcome outsiders as usual. But Taiwanese start rethink themselves, think about what they can do rethink for themselves.

I can see similar things happen around East Asia.

i dont believe taiwan is that welcoming to outsiders compared to places like hong kong, singapore, even china now. i mean taiwanese are nice and polite to them especially if they are tourists but they are not welcoming in wanting more foreigners to live/work in taiwan. singapore, hong kong, china, thailand have huge percentage of foreigners living and working there. i've always read taiwan's govt. makes it difficult for foreigners to live/work in taiwan with stupid bureaucratic regulations and keeps industries like construction and finance closed to foreign investment and companies. which is why most foreigners in taiwan are english teachers and not white collar professionals because there are no jobs for them because govt. doesnt help do anything to attract them and make it easier for them to live/work in taiwan!!

even in china there are chinese news channels broadcast in english or some have english subtitles. i know because i see those channels here in the u.s. this is so foreigners feel welcomed in china and can understand what's going on in the country. does taiwan have such a channel for foreigners?? i dont think so, and that is really unfortunate because taiwan has a free media and doesnt censor like they do in china and therefore can take advantage of being a global communicator of chinese language news. i've always thought taiwan should produce a high-quality 24-hr news channel like a chinese version of CNN but broadcast in english so the rest of the world can understand whats going on in taiwan/asia. china is being so aggressive in spreading chinese culture/language around the world like with these confucius centers. taiwan's opening up taiwan centers but they are already behind and just playing catch-up. taiwan govt. really has no broad, long-term vision.

William, when I was in Taiwan everybody thought I was American, because I am white, my friend from Albania when they say they are from Albania, people were like... oh Alabama! We always find it pretty amusing:lol:

This is called ignorance. When you talk about the West, I guess you mean the US, but the West is not only the US, trust me, cities in Europe have very different urban environment than in the US, I would say Taiwanese cities are much closer to European cities than to US', especially cities in south Europe, dense without skyline, chaotic, with a lot of traditional markets, outdoor lifestyle, even scooters ;)

By the way you mentioned European dept crisis, frankly, no European country has higher dept than Japan, than there is huge difference between different European countries, the problem is mostly the South and the obstruction of the Northern countries to help. But frankly it is all about perception and who owns the dept, in this case the banks. If Greece goes bankrupt it will hit the banks which borrowed them money so of course the financial sector will push for the bailout the strongest and makes dramatic visions for the fall of Europe etc. German banks seems to be the least exposed so Germany is of course against help. As you can see there are so many issues here but you just used the term "European dept crisis" how fair is this?

But back to the topic, the issues you are always mentioning, habitat, lifestyle etc. a serious architect always checks the context of the project, I would actually say that it is Taiwanese architects/developers who do not care about the context, erecting tall buildings in low rise area, or extremely unsuitable designs, european style buildings in Taiwan! No european architect would come up with such idea, really! You know that we do not build such buildings in Europe, don't you? And here is actually the space for an institution of city architect. These people should make sure that:
- no building is put out of context
- make general plan for the whole city, identifying areas for preservation, for redevelopment, new areas for development and of course this should take into consideration the existing situation, people lifestyle etc. in order to keep what is the best and to improve the weak points
- guarding general quality of architecture of new projects

As I mentioned this kind of city architect should be foreign because:
- there are such institutions in other countries, they have experience
- outsider will be less influenced by local developers/architects, less prone to corruption by local lobby
- foreigner can bring a breath of fresh air to the local industry and make local industry to think different

This kind of institution exist in many European cities and always considers local conditions, nobody will build skyline in Rome, nor propose redevelopment of Venice, or Paris. Central Berlin after unification was basically build from scratch and I see no skyline there! And this is a Western city, no less western than NY. And god damn good one, they hired many foreign architects and had no problem with that because they wanted their city to be great. Doesn't Taiwanese want their cities to be great?

But even from your posts I see lack of vision for Taiwan let alone Taipei or other cities' city planning so what can I say? Lost case...

One more thing, do you consider cages, rooftop illegal structures, parking scooters on sidewalks a habits and lifestyle worth preserving? For me these are bad habits that should be eliminated but I guess the opposition will be so severe that no one will have guts to even mention this basic improvements. Really, what is wrong with Taiwanese that do not care about the environment they live in, just their own convenience?

I am TOTALLY ON YOUR SIDE Taipei Walker :D :D :D

Btw, i downloaded a skyscrapercity app on my iPad.. SO COOL!!!

This kind of institution exist in many European cities and always considers local conditions, nobody will build skyline in Rome, nor propose redevelopment of Venice, or Paris. Central Berlin after unification was basically build from scratch and I see no skyline there! And this is a Western city, no less western than NY. And god damn good one, they hired many foreign architects and had no problem with that because they wanted their city to be great. Doesn't Taiwanese want their cities to be great?

Kaohisung is doing a great job at this. - new city library - Weiwuying 衛武營 Performance centre - Pop music performance centre - new world trade center - new kaohsiung station - dadong 大東 performing arts centre

there's a western/american phrase that says: "the proof is in the pudding". in taiwan, the proof is not in the pudding and not been resolved by taiwanese architects and designers. so you got to go to another cook to make the pudding. a foreign cook!! :)

William, when I was in Taiwan everybody thought I was American, because I am white, my friend from Albania when they say they are from Albania, people were like... oh Alabama! We always find it pretty amusing:lol:

This is called ignorance. When you talk about the West, I guess you mean the US, but the West is not only the US, trust me, cities in Europe have very different urban environment than in the US, I would say Taiwanese cities are much closer to European cities than to US', especially cities in south Europe, dense without skyline, chaotic, with a lot of traditional markets, outdoor lifestyle, even scooters ;)

By the way you mentioned European dept crisis, frankly, no European country has higher dept than Japan, than there is huge difference between different European countries, the problem is mostly the South and the obstruction of the Northern countries to help. But frankly it is all about perception and who owns the dept, in this case the banks. If Greece goes bankrupt it will hit the banks which borrowed them money so of course the financial sector will push for the bailout the strongest and makes dramatic visions for the fall of Europe etc. German banks seems to be the least exposed so Germany is of course against help. As you can see there are so many issues here but you just used the term "European dept crisis" how fair is this?

But back to the topic, the issues you are always mentioning, habitat, lifestyle etc. a serious architect always checks the context of the project, I would actually say that it is Taiwanese architects/developers who do not care about the context, erecting tall buildings in low rise area, or extremely unsuitable designs, european style buildings in Taiwan! No european architect would come up with such idea, really! You know that we do not build such buildings in Europe, don't you? And here is actually the space for an institution of city architect. These people should make sure that:
- no building is put out of context
- make general plan for the whole city, identifying areas for preservation, for redevelopment, new areas for development and of course this should take into consideration the existing situation, people lifestyle etc. in order to keep what is the best and to improve the weak points
- guarding general quality of architecture of new projects

As I mentioned this kind of city architect should be foreign because:
- there are such institutions in other countries, they have experience
- outsider will be less influenced by local developers/architects, less prone to corruption by local lobby
- foreigner can bring a breath of fresh air to the local industry and make local industry to think different

This kind of institution exist in many European cities and always considers local conditions, nobody will build skyline in Rome, nor propose redevelopment of Venice, or Paris. Central Berlin after unification was basically build from scratch and I see no skyline there! And this is a Western city, no less western than NY. And god damn good one, they hired many foreign architects and had no problem with that because they wanted their city to be great. Doesn't Taiwanese want their cities to be great?

But even from your posts I see lack of vision for Taiwan let alone Taipei or other cities' city planning so what can I say? Lost case...

One more thing, do you consider cages, rooftop illegal structures, parking scooters on sidewalks a habits and lifestyle worth preserving? For me these are bad habits that should be eliminated but I guess the opposition will be so severe that no one will have guts to even mention this basic improvements. Really, what is wrong with Taiwanese that do not care about the environment they live in, just their own convenience?

And I say it is good idea in one of my posts. When you talking about the idea of allowing architects assess all projects, I pretty much support it. I already know it years ago.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=729182&page=22

For all posts in this week, I am trying to argue to Kalifese's idea of how city need to be developed. I think he ingore a lot of issues. So I continues arguing with he. He does not see real picture of issues in term of local apsect. He is pretty judge who is right, who is better by just looking at pictures without try to understand about problems. I explain these issues in my posts. And because of these issues I said his idea is not enough to help our architects and I said we need more solutions.

He continues saying let foreign architects design it because foreign architects are well better than local architects and local architects are sucks which is true. But there are problems and issues also have to solve. Simple question, why Kalifese think our architects are sucks, what are the problems? Who or what are the causes?

There are some issues I said months ago.

1. Many engineers (like civil engineers) can become architects without attain architect education and the test to get licences is just paper test. There are no requirements for people need to have education or have to work in Architecture assoication or insistution in certain period of time. 2. Lecturers do not allow to establish his/her own insitution, which result of lack of experience. 3. The government procurements are using lower tender method for its infrastructure. 4. Politics is always issue.These things have to change and I see these thing will not change if we just only hiring foreign architects.

Taoyuan International airport T2 is good example. It is designed by a group of people who only come from engineering background (They are not architects.). Why these people can design and why we have these people? Because these crazy problems occur in our procurement, education, qualification systems.

That is why I said his idea is not enough to help and improve local architects or local architecture.

I am not arguing who is better or problem of foreign architects. I am arguing we need more solutions than just one.
Perhaps my language skill is pretty bad that I cannot even properly present my idea.
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For comments about foreiger in this thread, I pretty much only describe what happen in Taiwan community currently. What are people in Taiwan thinking to foreigner? They are my considerations.

I don't know how does it happen, but it is happening.

sorry, im not going to sit around typing out a thesis paper as to why taiwanese architects suck and analyze every single flaw in the process of an architectural project in taiwan or flaws in the education system that deters creativity, produces sucky architects and designers, lack of visionaries, etc., etc., etc. maybe you should go post in another forum that discusses these issues in depth. i dont care to and i'm not an expert on it anyway.

all i know is from what i've seen personally in taiwan and looking at images online and posted in this forum, the quality of architecture and the appearance of taiwanese cities are pretty unimpressive if not just atrocious - with a few exceptions like some buildings in the science parks, neihu, kaohsiung world games stadium, etc. i think everyone here agrees with that. if taiwanese architects are the ones who are designing the bulk of buildings and urban landscape in taiwan since the market is closed to foreigners, then it's fair to say they should get the blame as to why taiwan's so ugly. and foreign architects who have the proven experience and portfolio at designing beautiful architecture in other countries can only improve taiwan's state of architecture and introduce much needed skills, different design tastes, styles, perspective, thinking, creativity, etc., etc, etc. i really dont know how anyone can disagree with that.

i dont know why engineers in taiwan are chosen to become architects and design airports and why creativity and independent thinking and artistic values, etc. are not taught in taiwanese schools. those are important issues that apply to every country not just taiwan. i NEVER said it wasnt. just because i dont bring it up or discuss it in length doesnt mean i dont believe in it. but those are side issues and i really dont know why you keep bringing it up when everyone already knows it's a given and just plain logical!! i keep saying this is an architecture forum, not some psychology or social studies or whatever forum. again maybe you should go to some taiwanese forum that discusses social problems in taiwan. people are here because they have an interest in architecture and design and to look at pictures and critique them. period.

But back to the topic, the issues you are always mentioning, habitat, lifestyle etc. a serious architect always checks the context of the project, I would actually say that it is Taiwanese architects/developers who do not care about the context, erecting tall buildings in low rise area, or extremely unsuitable designs, european style buildings in Taiwan! No european architect would come up with such idea, really! You know that we do not build such buildings in Europe, don't you?

yup, agree. see? basically, taiwanese architects suck. foreign ones are better. or at least european ones. :tongue3: that's what i've been saying over and over again. i just skip all the detailed explanations. too lazy to type out.



As I mentioned this kind of city architect should be foreign because:
- there are such institutions in other countries, they have experience
- outsider will be less influenced by local developers/architects, less prone to corruption by local lobby
- foreigner can bring a breath of fresh air to the local industry and make local industry to think different

yup. agree too. most local architects just produce same boring styles and same boring solutions over and over again. they're suffocating and it shows in the end product and in the cityscapes.



Central Berlin after unification was basically build from scratch and I see no skyline there! And this is a Western city, no less western than NY. And god damn good one, they hired many foreign architects and had no problem with that because they wanted their city to be great. Doesn't Taiwanese want their cities to be great?

i actually dont think many taiwanese care about wanting their cities to be great - at least compared to people in other asian cities like shanghai, beijing, seoul, etc. people in taiwan are super laid back and there really isnt a nationalist spirit that you see in china and s. korea or japan. taiwan is also a closed society and not international at all. partly due to global politics, partly their own fault. cities like nyc, london and hong kong are great because they are international and attract a lot of immigrants, foreign workers and foreign talent. many top ny architects are foreign. one of the top architects in the world, zaha hadid, is iraqi but based in london. i think even tokyo and japan as a whole suffers because people are so xenophobic there and shun multiculturalism and immigration.



But even from your posts I see lack of vision for Taiwan let alone Taipei or other cities' city planning so what can I say? Lost case...

yup!! ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT!!


One more thing, do you consider cages, rooftop illegal structures, parking scooters on sidewalks a habits and lifestyle worth preserving? For me these are bad habits that should be eliminated but I guess the opposition will be so severe that no one will have guts to even mention this basic improvements. Really, what is wrong with Taiwanese that do not care about the environment they live in, just their own convenience?

dont forget non-existent sidewalks or sidewalks that are built upon or obstructed or uneven or have big steps in them. and exposed wiring/cables/messy telephone lines, air conditioners that stick out of windows like sore thumbs, etc. these issues have been raised over and over and over again for years and years but for the most part nothing seems to be done about them. it's definitely ingrained into taiwanese lifestyle and just permanently accepted. a foreign architect who has experience creating designs that counter this would definitely not accept them. but maybe william thinks these are actually good taiwanese lifestyle habits and if foreign architects dont agree then they shouldnt work there? who knows? cuz i dont get it myself. :ohno: