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the golden vision November 20th, 2010, 11:55 PM Liverpool Churches. (no cathedral pics please)
This thread is for parochial places of worship in the Liverpool area,including Wirral. Churches,Synagogues,Mosques, Temples etc,but excluding the cathedrals. The City of Liverpool has only a single church within its boundaries that can be classified as as Medieval, All Saints, Childwall. The origins of this church and of St Mary, Walton,are pre-conquest ,both churches are mentioned in the Domesday Book but nothing from the Saxon period remains other than a fragment cross shaft. Despite this the city still has elven Grade 1 listed places of worship,all from the Victorian period.
Liverpool didn't attain parochial status until 1699. In my opinion,having looked at the evidence,this has more to do with the vested interests of successives Rectors at the Mother Church, St Mary, Walton, than evidence,that is usually put forward 'the lowly status' of the town. St Peter's Church, the first parish church opened in 1704, in Church St. It was quickly followed by: St George's, Derby Square,1730, St Thomas, Park Lane,1750, St Paul, St Paul's Square,1763 and St John, were St John's Gardens are today,1775. All have been lost, in fact in the only 18thc church remaining in the city centre is, St Peter RC, Seel St. Losses from the 19th century imclude, St Katherine Abercromby Square, and St Michael, Upper Pitt St, both particularly sad.(Correction. There are 10 grade 1 places of worship(can't believe the RC is only Grade 11*,bit iffy that) All Hallows,St George, StMichael, St Agnes, St Clare,St John the Baptist,Princes rd Synagogue and the Unitarian church,all 19thc rather than Victorian. The other two are the Cathedral and All Saints Childwall.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 12:16 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church35.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church23-1.jpg Our Lady and St Nicholas, the parish church of Liverpool. Founded in 1360 as a chapel of ease to St Mary Walton. 1) the church in the 1740's. 2)The church today. The only part of the church of any antiquity is the steeple,1811-15. The rest of the church was rebuilt in the 1950's after war damage.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 12:25 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/churchstgeorge-1.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/churchh1-1.jpg St George's Church, 1730, was built on the site of the castle. Demolished around 1900 to make way for the Victoria monument Derby Square.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 12:32 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church39.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church34.jpg A sad loss this, St Michael, Upper Pitt St, 1816. Damaged in the war and later demolished.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 01:19 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/stpeter.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/sq78-1.jpg 1) St Peter's Church, Church St,1704,demolished in the 1920's. St Paul's Church, St Paul's Square,1763-69. Abandoned by the 1930's.
Doug Roberts November 21st, 2010, 10:19 AM Belvidere Rd. unsure of the name, the sign by the front door says 'Site for proposed picture house'
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St. Peters, Church St.
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Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 10:47 AM Excellent start to what has the potential to be another interesting and informative thread.
Doug Roberts November 21st, 2010, 10:57 AM http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/715/stnicholas.jpg
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the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 11:16 AM Great pics Doug. I agree Joe, there's so much of interest to discover,not just Liverpool but the metro area.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 11:49 AM My interest in Parish churches(medieval anyway) started about twelve of thirteen years ago, after a visit to the Saxon church of St John,Escomb, County Durham. This humble little building,which apart from the addition of a new window in the 19c and slate roof, has remained unaltered since it was first built in the 670's ! Well over a thousand years as a place of worship,refuge and consolation, has imbued this (and others like it) for me personally with a sort of aura. Almost as though the very fabric of the building,has absorbed and holds in some way,the meditations,yearnings,grief and ecstacy of countless generations of parishoners. An intensity and depth of human emotion,communal and personal,from beginning to end,the font to the graveyard. No other piece of ground or space is comparable to the medieval parish church in this respect.
It's only fairly recently i've come to appreciate modern churches(Victorian to the present) Most Victorian churches were built in the Decorated Gothic style. A lot quite unimaginative,some predictably slipping in to pastiche. A few, and in Liverpool we are lucky to have several,show the originality and imagination to set them apart. One such church, is St Agnes,Ullet rd. An amazing sight externally,almost like a miniature french gothic cathedral. Internally, 'Early English Gothic' with purbeck marble columns and a stone vaulted nave, a beautiful building.
The bonus in having an interest in buildings is it's free ! So with Victorian churches. Understanding these buildings can make a visit to the most mundane,grim and grotty place in to a an amenable experience. Every town has a least one half decent church,usually visible on arrival in the town centre. Just look !
As the poet wrote;
A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet
Are recognised and robed as destinies,
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone wil forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious
And gravitating with it to this ground
Amen to that.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 12:24 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church22-1.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church30.jpg Gustav Adolfs Kyrka, 1883,Park Lane. Better known as the Swedish Seaman's church. One of my favourite Liverpool buildings, not just chuches,a profusion of gables,stepped gables and arches. (sorry about the poor quality photos,anyone got a better one?)
Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 01:40 PM The chapel attached to the former Notre Dame Convent, situated between Mount Pleasant and Maryland St.
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St Philip Neri, Catherine Street - early 20th century.
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St Bride's, Percy St - a beautiful Neoclassical church from 1830
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Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 01:58 PM From around Princes Road / Avenue
Greek Orthodox Church (of St Nicholas) c. 1870
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Princes Road Synagogue - early 1870s. Its real beauty lies within.
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Former Welsh Presbyterian Church - 1868, emphasising the Welsh influence on Liverpool and L8 in particular. Designed by the same architects of the above synagogue but couldn't be more different. One of my favourites.
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Al Rahma Mosque - imo as unimpressive as WPC is impressive
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Awayo November 21st, 2010, 02:08 PM http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/images/mersey/formby/jer.jpg
The pyramidal Catholic Church of St Jerome, Formby (c. 1975). Designed I believe by the brother of the parish's founding priest, which might explain it.
design_man November 21st, 2010, 02:24 PM http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/images/mersey/formby/jer.jpg
The pyramidal Catholic Church of St Jerome, Formby (c. 1975). Designed I believe by the brother of the parish's founding priest, which might explain it.
:lol: What a terrible looking building. It would look a bit better with a gigantic cruxific coming out of the roof at one angle, and a giant jesus statue (as in rio or lisbon) out at another angle. At least then you'd know it was a church.
Does it have a so-called "locals nickname" that no-one in real life has ever called it? "The Formby Pyramid with an unsatisfactory boxy porch"?
Talking of which, I have some "Dome of Home" (LOL, as if ANY sailor has ever called it that!!) photos somewhere I will put up if I can find my photo hosting account details and remember how to post pictures.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 02:29 PM The chapel attached to the former Notre Dame Convent, situated between Mount Pleasant and Maryland St.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3668/p1030045.jpg
St Philip Neri, Catherine Street - early 20th century.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8017/p1030048x.jpg
St Bride's, Percy St - a beautiful Neoclassical church from 1830
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Two crackers there Joe. I like the first one as well, never seen it before. It's apsidal, Early English, with plate tracery. Good little building.
Awayo November 21st, 2010, 02:32 PM :lol: What a terrible looking building. It would look a bit better with a gigantic cruxific coming out of the roof at one angle, and a giant jesus statue (as in rio or lisbon) out at another angle. At least then you'd know it was a church.
Does it have a so-called "locals nickname" that no-one in real life has ever called it? "The Formby Pyramid with an unsatisfactory boxy porch"?
Talking of which, I have some "Dome of Home" (LOL, as if ANY sailor has ever called it that!!) photos somewhere I will put up if I can find my photo hosting account details and remember how to post pictures.
I like it. I think. :shifty:
I remember something from my childhood about there being originally plans for a large cross to be mounted at the apex of the pyramid. Doesn't look like that happened. The 70s were still really a part of the period of postwar austerity when you look back at them with the perspective we have now.
Along similar lines, but much better, is the earlier St William of York, in nearby Thornton:
http://crosbychurches.org.uk/images/churches/st-william.jpg
Hope my posting of latter-day horrors (which I have some regard for as it happens) is not polluting the aesthetic pleasures being had by those looking at photos of the other churches on this thread. Lol, as they say.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 02:35 PM As Joe says about the Synagogue(grade 1 listed) a lot of the interiors are are often more spectacular than the exteriors. So if possible pics of interiors would be especially welcome:cheers:
Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 02:37 PM St Andrew's Scottish Presbyterian, Rodney Street 1822-3
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Grand Central shopping arcade - formerly Central Hall of the Liverpool Wesleyan Mission - early 20th Century
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St Vincent de Paul 1850's - designed by Edward Pugin.
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The Blackie on the left of this picture (for some reason I can't find a better one) - formerly Great George (st?) Congregational - 1840s. A replacement for a previous church on this site which burnt down.
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Paul D November 21st, 2010, 02:39 PM As Joe says about the Synagogue(grade 1 listed) a lot of the interiors are are often more spectacular than the exteriors. So if possible pics of interiors would be especially welcome:cheers:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6443/synagogue1we3.jpg
Not my image,I'm not sure where I found it now? It's stunning inside though.
Paul D November 21st, 2010, 02:47 PM http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1845/prescot4vv.jpg
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Prescot Parish Church, dedicated to St Mary in Prescot. It is a Grade I listed building and continues as an active parish church.
The circular shape of the churchyard suggests that a church was on the site before the Norman Conquest, and parts of the existing fabric in the chancel and north vestry date possibly from the 15th century.The church was largely rebuilt in 1610. The tower was built in 1729 and the spire added in 1797. The tower and spire were designed by Henry Sephton, the spire being rebuilt after a lightning strike. The aisles were widened between 1817 and 1819, a restoration took place in 1876, and the south vestry was added in 1900. In 1953 the aisles were rebuilt.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 02:49 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church26.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church24.jpg Congregational Church,1840. Better known as the 'Blackie' A fine building.
Paul D November 21st, 2010, 03:12 PM St Peter and St Paul overlooking The Mersey.
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Paul D November 21st, 2010, 03:15 PM http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5201/alma17he.jpg
Alma de Cuba is situated in the former St Peter’s Catholic Church on the south side of Seel Street in Liverpool. The building is itself an iconic destination as it is the first church in Liverpool to be turned into a social venue.
The church was opened on the 7th of September in 1788. It served as a Catholic building for 188 years until 1976, after which it served the local Polish community for a short time. For this reason it is still today affectionately referred to as ‘the Polish Church’.
Until its closure in 1978, St. Peter’s was the oldest surviving Catholic Church in Liverpool. After a period of disuse, the building was taken over by Urban Splash and is now the internationally acclaimed ultra stylish restaurant and bar, Alma de Cuba.
* 1788 7th September – St Peter’s Church opened
* 1788 28th September – First baptisms performed
* 1817 – One of the earliest catholic elementary schools in the country was opened at the
* 1818 – The Chapel was considerably enlarged
* 1903 – Six stained- glass windows were installed at a cost of £330
* 1904 – The Baptistery and West end were renovated for £150
* 1908 – The Lady Chapel was renovated for £100
* 1920 – Electric Light was installed for the first time and the Church was redecorated in. Funds for this refurbishment were raised by sources including a Grand Bazaar held 14th-16th October 1920
* 1976 – The church was transferred to the Polish Community and for a short time was known as “Our Lady of Czestochowa”
* 1978 – the parish was closed
* Late 90’s – Mother Theresa attended mass at St Peter’s Church
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 03:21 PM ^^^^Wasn't that church under threat of closure..surely not demolition. By the way ,anyone know what church that is the foreground with the broach spire. While were on that side of the river. There's a church with a rare type of spire there. A splay foot spire, anyone know where it is? (meaning St Peter and Paul, wallasey)
Paul D November 21st, 2010, 03:25 PM The interior of St Philip Neri, Catherine Street.
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the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 03:31 PM ^^^^ Great stuff Paul :cheers:
Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 03:44 PM Seems to be St James and Emmanuel - a new one to me, admittedly.
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Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 03:56 PM Inside the Greek Orthodox
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the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 04:26 PM Seems to be St James and Emmanuel - a new one to me, admittedly.
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Good one Joe. Style of 1300. The aisle must be a addition. The clerestory windows are partially blocked. Some interesting stuff already. The Wirral has loads of villages churches, hopefully we'll see some:)
design_man November 21st, 2010, 05:09 PM The interior of St Philip Neri, Catherine Street.
Wow, I've never been in there or seen pictures of its interior. It's beautiful!
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 05:44 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000068.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000068.jpg
Another of SFX from Hope University Campus
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 05:52 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000053.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000053.jpg
Part of the ceiling in the library of The Uniarian Church on Ullet Rd.
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 05:53 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000052.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000052.jpg
Frescoed ceiling in library - Unitarian.
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The mock tudor hall at Ullet Rd Unitarian.
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 06:11 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000077.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000077.jpg
The altar of The Swedish Church. Arthur Dooley sculpture at rear right.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 06:20 PM ^^^^ Brilliant Jane, i'll be posting some pictures of the Unitarian church later,i think it's Grade 1 isn't it?
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 06:24 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000060.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000060.jpg
The Lady Chapel at SFX.
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 06:27 PM ....
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 06:28 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000060.jpg
The Lady Chapel at last!
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 06:28 PM ^^^^Never been in there, looks fantastic. That chapel is 'Early English' gothic, very sharp pointed arches,with 'bell' capitals. (SFX)
openlyJane November 21st, 2010, 06:53 PM ....
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Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 07:05 PM St Georges, Everton
Known as the Iron Church due to its internal construction using cast iron from a local foundry. Built in 1813, I think it is Grade 1 listed.
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woody November 21st, 2010, 08:28 PM This is the second "cast iron " church built 1813/1815. Grade One.....
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The cast iron components of this church were transported up from the river and that part became known as the cast iron shore or "casse" and we locals called it.
Golden Vision, great idea for a thread, some excellent photos already posted.
Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 10:07 PM Some churches no longer with us.
St (John?) Chrysostom in Everton. This original one was destroyed in the 70s to be replaced by a modern version which I seem to remember liking as a kid growing up in that neck of the woods
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5977/stcrysostom.jpg
Catholic Apostolic Church - Canning / Catherine Street. Demolished in the 90s and replaced by a nondescript unsympathetic block of flats.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/44/catholicapostolicchurch.jpg
St Margarets (Anfield) - this original 1870s church was damaged by fire and replaced by a pleasant enough 60s offering.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4421/stmargarets.jpg
Myrtle Street Baptist Church 1844 - another on the fringes of the City Centre at the junction of Myrtle and Hope where the car park is situated. Demolished in the 30's.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6283/myrtleapostolicbaptistc.jpg
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 10:21 PM ^^^^ That church of St John is a church you'd remember isn't it. It must've been unique, just looking at the splaying of the buttresses near the ground. One i remember as a kid,again demolished in the 1970's was the 'blue' church in seaforth. I think it was St Thomas's. It was built by or rather paid for by Gladstone in 1815.(Gladstone's father)
Joe the red November 21st, 2010, 10:23 PM Some more internal shots - including a couple of churches already included. All pics on this and the above posts from the excellent Streets of Liverpool site. http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/
St Francis Xavier
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St Philip Neri
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St Patrick's - Park Place
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the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 10:27 PM The 'iron' churches have a fascinating history too, especially with Rickman's involvement. St James's Church Upper Parliament st, 1775, was a very early example of the use of cast iron columns.
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM Excellent Joe. St Patricks at first glance looks like a Methodist Hall...jeezus:lol:
Scarecrow November 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/images/mersey/formby/jer.jpg
The pyramidal Catholic Church of St Jerome, Formby (c. 1975). Designed I believe by the brother of the parish's founding priest, which might explain it.
Did he also do St Oswald's (new) church in Netherton?
the golden vision November 21st, 2010, 10:45 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/CHURCH42.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/CHURCH46.jpg Three Grade 1 listed churches within a few hundred yards of each other. 1) St Agnes, Ullet rd, 1883-85,Pearson. 2) Unitarian Church,Ullet rd,1896, Worthington. 3) St Clare, Arundel Avenue,Stokes,1888-90
Keayman November 22nd, 2010, 01:43 PM Another great thread. Amazing there wasn't one already for churches.
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St. Ambrose, Prince Edwin st (1870-1961) I went to St. Gregory's school a little lower down (later Campion) from 1973-77. The site of this church always remained an 'oller'.
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All Souls, Collingwood st. This backed onto All Saints, Gt Nelson st and disappeared around 1970/71 for the new Kingsway tunnel approach roads.
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Ann Fowlers home for 'fallen women' or something like that. - perhaps 'battered women'. It was on Netherfield Road South and originally a Weslyan chapel I think.
Lots more to come i'm sure.
openlyJane November 22nd, 2010, 01:58 PM ....
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 02:12 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000062.jpg
Detail from SFX.
Thanks Jane. The image above the altar is the reredos.
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 02:16 PM Another great thread. Amazing there wasn't one already for churches.
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St. Ambrose, Prince Edwin st (1870-1961) I went to St. Gregory's school a little lower down (later Campion) from 1973-77. The site of this church always remained an 'oller'.
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All Souls, Collingwood st. This backed onto All Saints, Gt Nelson st and disappeared around 1970/71 for the new Kingsway tunnel approach roads.
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Ann Fowlers home for 'fallen women' or something like that. - perhaps 'battered women'. It was on Netherfield Road South and originally a Weslyan chapel I think.
Lots more to come i'm sure.
Hope so. How about a history and some pics of St Anthony's the RC Cathedral of the north end:) if you haven't got time i'll do it..fascinating history.
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Our lady immaculate church, St. Domingo Road. Originally to be the Catholic Cathedral.
Some history of it here by the late Dave Evans:
http://www.emanuensis.btinternet.co.uk/domingo.htm
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St. Anthony's - Scotland Road. Originally further towards town near Dryden st. The crypt houses over 1000 Irish immigrants who died within a short time of their arrival from the Irish famine in the 1840s.
More history here:
http://www.scottiepress.org/gallery/anthonys2.htm
http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/st_ants.htm
I'm sure you'll do the history of both of these churches in your own style GV and will look forward to reading it.
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St. Pauls Stoneycroft/Old Swan.
The fella who designed/built this also done a little job called the Anglican Cathedral and the red telephone box. :)
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English martyrs, School lane, Litherland.
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St. Marys, Edge Hill.
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St Monicas, Fernhill Road, Bootle.
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St. Pauls Stoneycroft/Old Swan.
The fella who designed/built this also done a little job called the Anglican Cathedral and the red telephone box. :)
And St Mary's in West Derby.
openlyJane November 22nd, 2010, 06:03 PM .....
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 06:44 PM ^^^^:applause: :cheers:
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 08:28 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church62.jpg Stained glass window by Morris & co(William Morris) in the chancel of the Unitarian church Ullet rd.
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 08:37 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church65.jpg Altar and reredos at St Clare, arundel avenue.
the golden vision November 22nd, 2010, 08:45 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/CHURCH43.jpg St Margaret, princes rd, grade 11*. Overlooked this church due to its proximity to the Synagogue and Orthodox churches(overlooked by me anyway:) ) statue of St Margaret in the niche. 1868-9
Joe the red November 22nd, 2010, 09:58 PM The only (part) medieval church, to my knowledge, in Liverpool. The chancel is fourteenth century alongside some 19th century rebuilds. The tower was rebuilt in 1810, housing a peal of bells dating from 1720.
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Joe the red November 22nd, 2010, 10:02 PM Some internal shots
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openlyJane November 22nd, 2010, 11:40 PM SFX in Everton is home to a large collection of Cardinal Newman relics. Also, the poet Gerard Manley Hopkins was a preacher here for two years - he hated Liverpool though; the poverty depressed him.
Even now, although there has been some pretty impressive restoration of the first part of Shaw Street - The Collegiate, The Hope University Campus, The Georgian terraces - it ends abruptly, and you enter a scene of dereliction and deprivation. But this area has so much potential - with the parkland of Everton Brow and the wonderful views over the city - plus, just by is the expanding university campus and, hopefully, the soon-to-be-rebuilt Royal Hospital.
Keayman November 23rd, 2010, 11:23 AM My childhood parish church, St. Josephs, Grosvenor St was demolished in 1979 despite twice weekly roof fund collection plates and some of the artifacts moved to SFX which is a brilliant church.
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Yeah, Golden, it's one of my favourite buildings, too.
openlyJane November 24th, 2010, 08:07 PM ....
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Yeah, Golden, it's one of my favourite buildings, too.
Nice pic Cheyelle, very scandanvian:)
the golden vision November 24th, 2010, 08:38 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/bebo.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/BebingtonStAndrews.jpg St Andrew, Bebington. Part of this church dates back to the 12thc. The tower,early 14th,the rest of the church mainly early 16th. This church vies with St Helen ,Sefton , for the 'best ' church in the metroploitan area imo. St Helen( which i'll posting be posting an depth article on,probably at the weekend) just pips it,but i'm slightly biased:) Pics by,E..J .Culley.
the golden vision November 24th, 2010, 08:52 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/bebo5.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/bebo2.jpg Misericords at St Andrew, Bebington. A misericord is a type of hinged,tip-up seat,usually carved on the underside. They were in the choir stalls and were used by the choristers and clergy. They were normally only found in cathedrals,occasionally parish churches, as here. These particular examples are over 600 years old. Like gargoyles they gave the medieval carver some free expression, with Christian symbolism depicted alongside everyday medieval life, often with a humerous side.Just to add, these are the only medieval misericords in a parish church anywhere in the Liverpool area, as far as i know, i'd like to be corrected on that. I'm not including Chester Cathedral, which does have some.(humourous of course )
openlyJane November 24th, 2010, 11:25 PM I love ecclesiastical wood carving. The V&A in London has to be my favourite museum; it has huge rooms full of the most amazing artifacts - the German medieval carvings are particularly wonderful.
Cheyelle November 24th, 2010, 11:57 PM Nice pic Cheyelle, very scandanvian:)
How apt! :lol: Thanks, Golden. The shot represents my first photographic contribution to this forum. :cheer:
Scarecrow November 24th, 2010, 11:58 PM Cracking photo too. Keep up the good work!
Cheyelle November 25th, 2010, 12:19 AM ^^ :cheers:
the golden vision November 25th, 2010, 12:47 AM I love ecclesiastical wood carving. The V&A in London has to be my favourite museum; it has huge rooms full of the most amazing artifacts - the German medieval carvings are particularly wonderful.
Some of the medieval carving in Parish Churches is stunning. Screens,bench ends,etc. I'll be posting some of oak carving at Sefton Church at the weekend.
the golden vision November 25th, 2010, 12:50 AM How apt! :lol: Thanks, Golden. The shot represents my first photographic contribution to this forum. :cheer:
We're expecting great things from now on then Cheyelle :)
Rock Savage November 25th, 2010, 10:38 AM Misericords at St Andrew, Bebington. A misericord is a type of hinged,tip-up seat,usually carved on the underside. They were in the choir stalls and were used by the choristers and clergy. They were normally only found in cathedrals,occasionally parish churches, as here. These particular examples are over 600 years old. Like gargoyles they gave the medieval carver some free expression, with Christian symbolism depicted alongside everyday medieval life, often with a humerous side.Just to add, these are the only medieval misericords in a parish church anywhere in the Liverpool area, as far as i know, i'd like to be corrected on that. I'm not including Chester Cathedral, which does have some.(humourous of course )
Great find. Educational too! More on misericords here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericord
Why not add your photos to Wiki too, to go along those of Chester Cathedral?
By the way, what is the bird on the first photo? A medieval 'Liver Bird' perhaps? ;-)
the golden vision November 25th, 2010, 11:04 AM Great find. Educational too! More on misericords here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericord
Why not add your photos to Wiki too, to go along those of Chester Cathedral?
By the way, what is the bird on the first photo? A medieval 'Liver Bird' perhaps? ;-)
They're not mine:) the bird is a Pelican. It's shown plucking its breast to give the blood to its young. Symbolic of Christ redeemming 'us' as in the Communion service.
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St. Johns, Fountains Road, Kirkdale L5.
I was wed here on a sunny Saturday 10th September 1988. Fr Carney and Fr Riley were the long serving priests at the time. Not my parish of course but the wife's, well, wife to be.
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St. Pauls Stoneycroft/Old Swan.
The fella who designed/built this also done a little job called the Anglican Cathedral and the red telephone box. :)
One of my favourite churches in the city. Always reminds me of France
Keayman November 25th, 2010, 03:42 PM St. Vincent De Pauls, Park Lane.
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Rock Savage November 25th, 2010, 03:53 PM They're not mine:) the bird is a Pelican. It's shown plucking its breast to give the blood to its young. Symbolic of Christ redeemming 'us' as in the Communion service.
Not yours? Oops!
And another nugget to add to my limited knowledge of religious symbolism. You are now SSC's honorary art history expert.:)
the golden vision November 25th, 2010, 05:21 PM ^^^^Folk Art perhaps:)
Dreamer November 25th, 2010, 10:54 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/CHURCH42.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/CHURCH46.jpg Three Grade 1 listed churches within a few hundred yards of each other. 1) St Agnes, Ullet rd, 1883-85,Pearson. 2) Unitarian Church,Ullet rd,1896, Worthington. 3) St Clare, Arundel Avenue,Stokes,1888-90
Lots of my family got maried at St Clares, its a lovely church
LABlue November 25th, 2010, 11:13 PM Art Deco - 1932 . Architect Bernard Miller - Grade II listed
I only know this place as my brother is the organist and I love Art Deco architecture.
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buggedboy November 26th, 2010, 12:40 AM I really like St Nathaniel's Church in Walton. Not many like that one in Liverpool.
Joe the red November 27th, 2010, 02:15 PM Edge Hill Church
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the golden vision November 27th, 2010, 09:28 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/toxx.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/a4367.jpg The Ancient Chapel of Toxteth. Founded in 1615, mostly rebuilt in the 1770's. Park rd/Dingle lane.
the golden vision November 27th, 2010, 10:09 PM The Chapel was founded in 1618.
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 12:16 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church88.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/a78900.jpg The Unitarian Church, Ullet rd. 1) West front, 2) the hall. The beaten copper doors.
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 09:48 PM Catholic Worship.
Clandestine Catholic Chapels existed in the city from the early 18th century,served by the Jesuits. The first was in the Old Hall St area, and was destroyed by an anti Catholic mob in 1746. It later re-opened disguised as a warehouse.
The first Catholic Relief Act was passed in 1778 but was until 1791 and the passing of the Second Relief Act that the building of churches and worship in public was permitted. Catholic churches weren't allowed to have steeples or bells. When this was repealed i don't know, probably after the Catholic Emancipation Act of 1829. I'd be interested to know which RC church has the earliest existing steeple. St Francis Xavier dates from 1845.
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 09:56 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church94.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church02-1.jpg St Patrick's Park Place,1821-27. The statue of St Patrick came from the St Patrick Insurance Company building in Dublin.
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 10:13 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church93.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/a67890.jpgThis is another of Liverpool's fine Victorian churches. Christ Church, Linnet Lane.1871. The steeple is placed north east. Steeples are normally at the west end or central, this is one of the many quirks of this church. Without going in to much technical detail,the church is highly original. Nikolaus Pevsner,remarked it had "many touches of roguery" excellent description:)
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 10:23 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/a5678.jpg Belvedere rd Baptist Church,1863. The towers were originally topped by spires.
the golden vision November 28th, 2010, 10:44 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church98.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church96.jpg Rose Window and doorway from Princes rd Synagogue. Gothic with Arabesque touches. The synagogue has recently been ugraded to Grade 1, one of only three Grade 1 Synagogues in the country.
openlyJane November 28th, 2010, 11:43 PM ....
Keayman November 29th, 2010, 05:46 PM Great photos and descriptions GV.
the golden vision November 29th, 2010, 10:33 PM ^^^^Cheers Keayman.
Paul D November 29th, 2010, 10:49 PM http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1515/thorntonhough.jpg
Neo-Norman style St George's Church at Thornton Hough built in 1906
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 01:51 AM The Church of St Helen ,Sefton Village.
The church is located between Netherton and Maghull,in the Borough of Sefton, on the northern outskirts of Liverpool. It is Grade 1 listed. All things considered,the finest church in the metroplitan area.
My earliest memories of the church go back to my early teens.When quite often in the summer months,a ride on the 52 bus from Bootle to Sefton Church, and a day in the 'country' was much more appealing than being in school!
Everyone in the Bootle/Crosby area 'knows' Sefton Church from childhood,even if they've never been to it. The church has a mystique about it. It's rural ,picturesque and ancient,much more than just a landmark,it's a living structure. Still a place of worship today,uniquely in this area,it links eight centuries of rural life. From the serf in 'Piers Ploughman' and the Knight and Reeve(the village had both) in the Canterbury Tales,to the religious upheaval of the Reformation and Catholic recusancy(the Lords of the manor were recusants) to the present.
1066 and all that.
A few years ago whilst researching(non academic) the medieval manorial system in and around Liverpool,particularly the extent of serfdom(unfree peasant labour) one family name kept on recurring: Molyneux.
William de Moline(Molyneux) came into England with William the Conqueror. He arrived in what is now Lancashire in the late 11thc,with one Roger Pictavensis,who had been granted all the land 'between Ribble and Mersey' by the Conqueror. About this time, William De Molines came in to possession of the manors of Sefton, Thornton and Kierdon, for half a Knight's fee.
The family is next mentioned in the13thc, when Richard Molyneux 'sides' with Prince John, against his brother, Richard the First. On the return of Richard 1 from the crusades, Richard Molyneux is fined 100 shillings for his disloyalty. Later in 1286 we come across Sir William Molyneux, died in 1296,and is most likely the knight commemorated with an effigy that lies within the church. The family were rectors at the church for several centuries and remained in possession of lands in around Sefton well in to the 20thc.
A digression.
Whilst delving in to the land ownership and social structure of the area in the medieval period,some 'dark as well as some events were uncovered. Firstly: the sale in the late 13thc, in Ince Blundell, of two serfs, father and son, separated from their family and packed off to an Abbey in Warwickshire. The religious houses of the time were deeply involved in serf labour. This wa sanctioned by the Pope and condoned by theologian, St Thomas Aquinas, who deemed it a 'necessity'. It's hard to think of something more unChristian than serfdom,only the evil of slavery which was also condoned by the church until the late 18thc.
This made laugh out loud.
Mills in the medieval period were lucrative sources of income. They were owned by the religious houses and Lords of the manor. In the late 13thc,a dispute broke out between the monks of Stanlaw Abbey and the Lord of the manor of Ince Blundell,about the rights of the use of the water mill on the river alt. The monks wee losing revenue because the Lord of the manor had built a windmill nearby, a recently invented method of milling. The peasants of the manor had been subsequently been taking their corn to the windmill instead of the water mill, thus depriving the monks of income. In the ensuing hostilities one the monks attempted to drown a serf of the Lord in the river alt. The monk later had to pay compensation for his ungodly behaviour:) These incidents have some resonance for me personally, having many times walked that stretch of the river alt.
The building.
Unlike most medieval churches,which usually have several phases of building and additions, sefton only has two with very few additions. The first recorded phase,and that sketchily is from the the 1330's, of the earlier structure very little is known and nothing remains.
The tower and most of the spire(the spire was damaged in as storm in1801 and partly rebuilt) date from the first phase,1330's,as do the part of the chancel and piscina. The nave,aisles and clerestory date from the second phase,1520's. The chancel east window is an addition from 1870.
Furnishings.
The rood screen was repaired and altered considerably in the 19thc. The nave and aisle pews with fantastically carved ends and poppyheads,date from the 1520's. The pulpit,1635, again profusely carved. the stalls in the chancel are rom the 1400's.
Effigies and Brasses.
The oldest effigy dates from the 1290's as is most probably Sir William Molyneux,died 1296. The identity of the other effigy is unknown, this is slightly later in attire, 1330's.
Floor brasses.
Sir Richard Molyneux, 1568,with wives and children
Margaret Bulcley. 1528.
Sir Richard Molyneux,1548, with wives.
Henry Blundell. 1810.
Just to say you can visit this and most churches by appointment. You don't have to wait for Heitage open days. Although if you are unacquainted with the church,a guide at a heritage open day would probably be the best option. I took over 150 photos of the church and i'll be uploading the best in the next few days. I'm making no apologies for the comprehensive(if exhaustive for some) coverage of this beautiful and historic building.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AW20.jpg The pulpit,1635.
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 02:07 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AW11.jpg Stalls in the chancel,1400's.
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 02:13 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AW12.jpg
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openlyJane November 30th, 2010, 11:20 AM ...
Keayman November 30th, 2010, 02:07 PM I take it that's the one next to the (supposedly haunted) Punch Bowl pub. If so I was in there for a meal last week with the family and friends. (the pub that is, not the church)
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 05:19 PM Wow - I just love medieval/Tudor/Jacobean wood carving. I love the dark wood - is it oak? I suppose it must have darkened with age.
Have you been to the V&A?
No, never been . Yes, oak naturally blackens with age,not just patina, and predicatably is called ,black oak.
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 05:20 PM I take it that's the one next to the (supposedly haunted) Punch Bowl pub. If so I was in there for a meal last week with the family and friends. (the pub that is, not the church)
That's it. You should have a look round next time you're down there.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AW19.jpg The north door(devil's door) well over 500 years old with original ironwork.
openlyJane November 30th, 2010, 08:45 PM ...
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 09:53 PM ^^^^:okay:
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the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 10:30 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/eff2.jpg
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/eff4.jpg Effigy of Sir William Molyneux, his feet resting on a dog, which is a common theme in effigial monuments. 1296.
the golden vision November 30th, 2010, 10:41 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AWA.jpg Effigy of a Knight, not identified. 1330's.
Paul D December 1st, 2010, 12:13 PM That was a really great read that Tom,I really want to go to this church now after reading that and seeing those pictures,:lol: at the bit about the monk.:)
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 06:20 PM ^^^^Thanks Paul. You should take the kids down there on one of the summer Open Days,they'd love it, you can go up to the top of the tower,great views. A real hidden gem this church.:cheers:
Paul D December 1st, 2010, 06:32 PM ^^^^Thanks Paul. You should take the kids down there on one of the summer Open Days,they'd love it, you can go up to the top of the tower,great views. A real hidden gem this church.:cheers:
Yes I think I will,I want to do that Medieval church in Childwall aswell.:cheers:
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 06:32 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw52.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw50.jpg 1)The the choir stalls,1400's. 2) Nave and Rood Screen. The screen is largely Victorian ,as is the roof/ceiling.
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 09:49 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/a59.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw51.jpg Floor brasses. 1) Richard Molyneux and wives,1548. 2) Margaret Bulcley,1528.
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 10:53 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw54.jpg Piscina,1330's. A piscina was a stone basin in which the priest washed the chalice after the mass.
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 11:05 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw35-1.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw37-1.jpgThe small black object protruding just above the window on the first pic, is a gargoyle from the 1330's.
the golden vision December 1st, 2010, 11:11 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/aw56.jpg Top of the tower with Sefton meadows and altcar in the background. The area to the west of the church has changed very little since the church was founded in the twelfth century.
openlyJane December 1st, 2010, 11:18 PM ...
the golden vision December 2nd, 2010, 12:12 AM Jane, it's pretty much the same as most churches,they have Open days,which as you know have guides. When you book an appointment you only have the church warden(at sefton ,quite knowledgable) to inform you.Sefton Church is well worth a visit to the sticks, even for a city girl like you:) 931 4676. (it's free except for a nominal fee of a £1 for taking photos) just to add,they're normally closed to visitors in winter,so you have to express a 'real' interest in the church.
the golden vision December 2nd, 2010, 08:26 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/AW31-1.jpgThis is the last pic of Sefton Church.....honest:) The photo is from 1880,before the alterations to the Rood Screen and before the removal of the Georgian Galleries and what look like box pews(far right) The area in the immediate vicinity of the church has lost two fantastic buildings in the last two centuries. Firstly, and there can hardly be an excuse for this as late as 1960, the water mill, dating back to 1590,it was three storeyed and if it had survived would be Grade 1 listed. The second was the manor house,Sefton Old Hall, built in the 1370's for the Molyneux famiy. They left Sefton in the late 17thc to move to Croxteth Hall, the house fell in to disrepair and finally demolished in the early 19thc. It was situated SE of the church, on the B5422,Brickwall lane, the site is a Scheduled Ancient Monument.
Tom Hughes December 3rd, 2010, 01:04 PM Has anyone got any pics of the Friary (St Mary of the Angels, Fox street)? It was my mum's old parish. It shut down about 10yrs ago, but I believe the Phil practice in it now. Quite austere from the outside, but full of gems within, with Altar and side altar brought from Italy.... and stations of the cross were works of art if I remember rightly. Fell victim to the massive loss of population in the area, how it survived so long was a wonder. As a kid it was standing room only with about 7 masses on a sunday. If the area is ever redeveloped maybe one day it'll come back, but I doubt it. Well worth a look tho!
the golden vision December 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church61-1.jpg The high altar of the Friary Church,Fox St. The altar came from Bologna Cathedral. Whether the altar is still in situ i don't know. If it is,it will be down to the campaign led by Kay Kelly to preserve the interior of the church, she sadly died last year.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/1000879.jpg St Luke's church, Bold Place,1811-31. This is a good building for anyone interested in Gothic/Gothic revival architecture to study. It's mostly in the Perpendicular style but incorporates early gothic features such as the polyognal buttresses and turrets,the ogee arch. The tower especially is worth noting,unusually in Liverpool(if at all) the panelling. It resembles one of the great 'wool' churches that were built in the south and east in the 15thc,the apogee of tower design.
Tom Hughes December 7th, 2010, 10:37 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/church61-1.jpg The high altar of the Friary Church,Fox St. The altar came from Bologna Cathedral. Whether the altar is still in situ i don't know. If it is,it will be down to the campaign led by Kay Kelly to preserve the interior of the church, she sadly died last year.
Cheers GV. That's the place..... A real beauty inside! It had a real "atmsophere".... for want of a better word. Yes, met Kay Kelly. A lovely lady who was desperate to see the place stay open.
I'll have have a hunt to see if I have any other pics. I know my mum's cousin served a mass there. He was a Parish priest elsewhere, but was invited back to celebrate his ordination there.
the golden vision December 7th, 2010, 10:43 PM ^^^^OK Tom. Kay Kelly was typical Liverpool woman of her generation, i never met her myself but heard her speak a few times, a real fighter, we've got her to thank for anything that survived.
Babaloo December 8th, 2010, 12:07 PM :applause:
Wow, another great thread from GV. He's on a roll! Just caught up with it. Thanks for all the pics, everyone.
the golden vision December 8th, 2010, 05:38 PM ^^My pleasure Babs.:cheers: Just to add, re: Sefton Church, the church has two medieval stained glass windows. I was only aware of one when i visited and i photographed the wrong chancel window. Pre-reformation stained glass windows are quite rare survival in churches. After the barbarism of the 'smashing of the altars' little was left. The windows are in the chancel and south aisle, well worth visting just for those.
Paul D December 11th, 2010, 04:29 PM St.Teresa's Church in Norris Green.
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the golden vision December 11th, 2010, 09:28 PM ^^^^Great Paul. Just to say, the church doesn't have to be 'listed' or special in any way. Pictures of local churches especially the interiors would be brilliant.
openlyJane December 12th, 2010, 12:27 AM ....
Joe the red December 12th, 2010, 02:29 PM St James - 1770s. Undergoing regeneration with the intention of re-establishing itself as a place of worship.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/06788.jpg St Bridget, Bagot St, Wavertree. Grade 11* Basilican in style,NW bell tower. 1872.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/churx9-1.jpg St Clement, Beaumont St, Toxteth, 1840, Grade 11* A rare exampe of an unaltered interior of the early Victorian period. (last pic isn't mine) Quite a bland exterior, inside, fantastic !
the golden vision December 18th, 2010, 06:53 PM These next three churches are all in the Ormskirk area, not metropolitan Liverpool but certainly city region. All three are medieval, two are Grade 1 listed the other Grade 11* . St Cuthbert, Halsall , is outstanding. The chancel is one of the finest of its date in the country. St Cuthbert is in the heart of the SW Lancs mosslands, nationally important for its wintering Greylag and Pinkfooted Geese,also its large population of Hares and the highest density of breeding Barn Owls in the country. In short, fantastic asset literally on our doorstep.:cheers:
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/06789.jpg Ormskirk Parish Church, St Peter & Paul, Church St.
The church dates back to 1170 but very little of the original building survives. The nave was completely rebuilt in the 18th and 19th centuries.The only vestige of the early church is a window in the chancel and the chancel arcade which dates from 1270. Ormskirk is known nationally for its separate tower and steeple, only two other churches share this feature,both in Wiltshire. The tower was built between 1540-70, to house the bells from nearby Burscough Priory after the dissolution of the monasteries. The steeple is part medieval the lower half dating from the about 1400, the spire was rebuilt in 1831 after storm damage.
the golden vision December 18th, 2010, 07:57 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/078906.jpg St Cuthbert, Summerwood lane, Halsall, Grade 1 listed. The was church here before 1200 but most of exists today dates from 1340-70. The spire is modern,dating from the 19thc. The glory of the church is the chancel,with its grotesques on the exterior and its 14thc sedilla and piscina and 15thc misericords inside.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0777654.jpg The chancel,1340-70. Work stopped in the 1340's.....due to the Black Death ! resumed in the 1360's.
the golden vision December 18th, 2010, 08:31 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/008790.jpgSome of the 'Grotesques' on the north wall of the chancel.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0786533.jpg Medieval stained glass in the west window of the south aisle. Little medieval glass survived in parish churches after the reformation. The iconoclasm continued up until the 18thc:bash: (north aisle)
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openlyJane December 18th, 2010, 09:45 PM All very magnificent and the windows beautiful; I particularly like St Peter & Paul in Ormskirk - it reminds me of the church in Childwall - All Saints? I like the composition and solidity of the design. There is certainly something about Medieval craftsmanship that I much admire.
the golden vision December 18th, 2010, 10:32 PM ^^^^I understand where you're coming from there Jane. The tower at Ormskirk is quite squat, giving it an almost fortress like appearance.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/08966.jpg The vestry door, 1350. This door and doorway could easily be in one of the great medieval cathedrals,such is the high quality stone carving and woodwork. Notice the step,worn down to almost nothing after 650 years of use.
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openlyJane December 18th, 2010, 10:57 PM ^^^^I understand where you're coming from there Jane. The tower at Ormskirk is quite squat, giving it an almost fortress like appearance.
Perhaps Norman in influence?
A contender for the most magnificent interior of a religious building has to be the Cappella Palatina in Palermo - it brings together the highest art forms from the Normans and the Moors - both invaders of Sicily. People often say, when in Sicily, to visit Monreale ( Norman in origin), which is true - but for me, The Capella Palatina ( Palatine Chapel) is simply the most moving experience I have ever had in a building.
Apologies to my husband and others.:angel1:
the golden vision December 18th, 2010, 11:18 PM Perhaps Norman in influence?
A contender for the most magnificent interior of a religious building has to be the Cappella Palatina in Palermo - it brings together the highest art forms from the Normans and the Moors - both invaders of Sicily. People often say, when in Sicily, to visit Monreale ( Norman in origin), which is true - but for me, The Capella Palatina ( Palatine Chapel) is simply the most moving experience I have ever had in a building.
Apologies to my husband and others.:angel1:
Ormskirk tower is very much gothic in style. Cost will probably be the reason it wasn't built any higher. The moors/sacracens had a huge influence on western architecture, it 's were the pointed arch comes from.
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the golden vision December 19th, 2010, 07:56 PM Church of St Michael, church lane, aughton. Grade 1 listed.
The earliest part of the church dates to around 1170 but most of the church is 14thc and later with a very complicated history of re-building. Excavations in the early 1900's retrieved the remains of an Anglo-Saxon cross, since dated to around 850.This suggests that the site at least,has a history of Christian worship going back over a thousand years.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/04445678.jpg The oldest parts of the church are the south wall of the nave with the blocked Norman door. The steeple is from the first half of the 14thc. (the first pic isn't mine)
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sergeybezzub December 21st, 2010, 08:29 PM I think it was more about Charlton 1-0 Bristol City lol nah it was a good score and a fine performance by Liverpool, they have some odd tendancy to only play as they should in the Champions League and not the premiership...if they played like this week in week out it would defo be a 4-hourse race again, rather than the 2/3 horse races we are seeing.
Be great for the neutrals...or those of us whose teams aint quite at that level yet
Awayo December 21st, 2010, 08:42 PM think he's been at the altar wine.
openlyJane December 21st, 2010, 10:27 PM ...
What I particularly like about medieval craftsmanship is the representation of the natural world and its symbols - plant-life, animal -life and things such as Sheela-na gigs; which I am sure The Golden Vision knows all about.
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Awayo December 21st, 2010, 10:55 PM I saw Polly Harvey once in Camden Town, walking down the street around Mornington Crescent way. Very skinny and shorter than I'd have thought.
the golden vision December 22nd, 2010, 12:09 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkS_R7RDuMc
What I particularly like about medieval craftsmanship is the representation of the natural world and its symbols - plant-life, animal -life and things such as Sheela-na gigs; which I am sure The Golden Vision knows all about.
I attach a performance by PJ Harvey of her track- Sheela-na gig, which at one time she recorded on the John Peel Show.
Two threads in one go!
That's strange that Jane, i actually thought that first carving from Halsall church might be a Sheela:) I think it's too late though,the carving is from the 1470's and most Sheelas in England anyway date from the 12th and 13thc's.The other much more common image is the 'Green Man' one of the misericords at Halsall(previous page) is a Green Man, without the usual foliage growing out of his mouth. Both of course are pagan fertility symbols, absorbed and accommodated by the medieval church, a fascinating story in itself.
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The church was designed by Gilbert Scott, and opened in 1856. It is a 2* listed building built of red sandstone with Yorkshire stone pillars and is situated in the heart of West Derby Village at the entrance to Croxteth Park.It is regarded as a fine example of Scott’s work and has windows by Clayton and Bell together with some fine wood-work in the Chancel and Sanctuary. The style is 14th century Gothic, but because of the great expense of providing secure foundations for the tower, the original more elaborate design had to be significantly modified. The whole cost was raised by voluntary subscriptions! The building cost £8,000. The tower, marked by three turrets of matching size and a larger one which includes the staircase cost another £4,000 and was built at the expense of Mr Pemberton Heywood. It is 30 feet square and over 160 feet high. The nave is 72 feet by 50 feet and the chancel 41 feet by 25 feet.
the golden vision December 27th, 2010, 09:24 PM ^^^^Good stuff Paul, thanks.
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The Church of St. Stephen is located on Belle Vale road and was constructed between 1872 and 1874. It was designed by the architect Cornelius Sherlock, who also designed the Picton Reading Room on William Brown Street in the city centre. The church was built from local sandstone and has a tall octagonal tower on one side that at one time would have dominated the skyline (today the church is surrounded by housing so it is less imposing). The building's exterior is adorned with Gothic style decorations, whilst the stained glass windows in the church were provided by the architect and designer William Morris.
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St Anne, Overbury st. Charles Hansom,with transepts by Pugin&Pugin,1846. To me, the tower looks like it's missing a spire or a least a cap. Grade 11.
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St Cyprian,Durning Rd, Henry Summers,1881. This would be best described as free gothic with Romanesque touches. Very original anyway.
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St Matthew & St James in Mossley Hill - Rose Lane. The first church in England, apparently, to be bombed during WW2. Very fine and can be seen from miles around, being, as it is, on top of a hill.
the golden vision January 27th, 2011, 08:22 PM Quality pic Jane. I agree, it's a fine church. Looks like it's been cleaned recently. Grade 11*
Joe the red January 27th, 2011, 09:20 PM I've been in there a couple of times and, as mentioned, it stands out on the South Liverpool skyline given its lofty position. But seldom can I remember it looking so handsome.
Babaloo January 28th, 2011, 11:59 AM The view from the tower on a clear day is fantastic, as well as the Welsh hills, Helsby etc you can see quite a few of the old hills of Liverpool.
For another great view, a few minutes walk away, try Sudley House just down Mossley Hill Road - great views from the rear first floor windows and the covered porch at the back. Pity about the railings that protect the rear garden but make it feel a tad like being a zoo.
Also, great views towards Woolton from the top of the wall.
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St Mary's Church, Hale is in Church End in the village of Hale,England. The church has been designated by English Heritage as a Grade II* listed building.
History
The tower dates from the 14th century and the rest of the church from 1758–59, replacing an earlier church on the site. Restorations were carried out in 1874, when a northwest vestry was added.
St Mary's is built in red sandstone ashlar with a slate roof. Its plan is a rectangle in five bays with a west tower, a northwest vestry, a northeast gabled projecting chapel, and a south porch. The tower is square with corner buttresses and a crenellated parapet. It has a west door with a window above it. At the bell stage are two-light louvred belfry windows on all sides. The windows on each side of the body of the church are round-headed. The east window is Venetian in style, glazed in large squares, with a cherub carved in the keystone.
The roof, dating from 1979–80, is in varnished chestnut. It is panelled in five compartments, and heavily moulded. The west organ gallery, standing on Tuscan columns, is a replica of that destroyed in the fire. The furniture has been acquired from a variety of sources. The font, which consists of a bowl carved with cherubs, dates from the 18th century and spent a century in a garden. The oak pulpit dating from the 17th century stands on Tuscan columns; it came from York Minster. The pews came from the demolished church of St Mary, Ince-in-Makerfield.
the golden vision January 29th, 2011, 10:29 PM Interesting little church. Thanks Paul.
boychild January 30th, 2011, 01:36 PM I'm sure I read somewhere that that church in Hale was gutted or badly damadged by a fire in the 70s?
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St Bride's, Percy Street.
Neilsatiscitycentre February 11th, 2011, 01:40 PM ^^
It is a wonderful building; I notice how you had to get right up next to it to take a decent photo. There are far too many trees in the grounds of the church and they totally obscure what should be a great view of one of the city's most wonderful buildings. I am all in favour of a greener city, but this is one example where someone needs to take a chain saw to trees which obscure a wonderful view. I posted something similar about the excess of trees in St John's Gardens which is another example of what I am on about.
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St Bride's is a fantastic church. This is St Bartholomew RC Church ,Rainhill, 1840, one of only two other 'Classical Portico' churches in the area,the other being in Wallasey. Pevsner describes St Bartholomew as best RC church in south lancs. Pictures by Chris Neil.
openlyJane February 11th, 2011, 06:49 PM Regarding St.Bartholomew's ;It is particularly unusual and appealing because of the use of sandstone - unexpected!
the golden vision February 11th, 2011, 06:56 PM ^^^^ Yeah, i agree.
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All Hallows Church, Allerton. 1876, Grade 1 listed.
This is another of the city's great Victorian churches. Built for John Bibby in memory of his first wife. Red sandtone,perpendicular gothic, soaring tower,sumptuous interior. The church is nationally important for its collection of 14 windows by William Morris and Edward Burne-Jones. I'll be posting pictures of these later.
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The mock tudor hall at Ullet Rd Unitarian.
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Frescoed ceiling in library - Unitarian.
Some more images from the inside of the Unitarian to add to Jane's.
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The nave. The Unitarian Church is also Grade 1 listed and two windows by William Morris.
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The vestry ceiling.
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The library. The lay preacher showing me round told me this is where she and her family had Christmas dinner...one the PERKS of the job:)
Images of the exterior of the church are on page 5.
openlyJane February 11th, 2011, 10:29 PM ....
the golden vision February 11th, 2011, 10:44 PM ^^^^Yes, The Holts, Tates, Rathbones and Roscoes. Very influential.
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The east end of St Agnes, Ullet Rd, 1883, Grade 1. Pevsner describes this as the noblest Victorian church in Liverpool.
Tom Hughes February 12th, 2011, 09:49 PM We do not need lectures on 'The Big society' or public service in this city - because Liverpool was the original home of social service and humanitarian works in this country.
They did not believe that Christ was our saviour, rather they believed he was an EXAMPLE of how to live a virtuous life. They did not see a need for mediation between ourselves and God - like in the Catholic church - they believed in a direct relationship - rather like the Quakers.
Mediation? Sounds like a theological acas....
Wouldn't have thought they'd need a smart church either then.... Just a door to door unitarian-bible salesman would suffice surely, cut out all the middle-men.
Is that assertion with reference to Roman or Anglo-catholicism? Where did the Methodists, United Reformists and Baptists fit into this "mediation" aspect....
Does this church still have a congregation? If it does, which type of unitarians are they?
the golden vision February 12th, 2011, 09:59 PM Victorian Stained Glass Windows.
Most stained glass in the Victorian period has little to recommend it. The exceptions are the works of Morris & Co and Kempe. Here's what author Alec Clifton-Taylor has to say on the subject.
"One naturally wonders why , with so much enthusiasm for the Middle Ages,the Victorians usually failed, and often dismally,to produce stained glass that can hold a candle to medieval glass in quality and artistic significance. There seems to be three answers. In the Victorian age the technique was different, the material was different and above all the artistic impulse was very different "
And to emphasise that last point here's William Morris himself:
"The Medieval craftsman was free in his work. Therefore he made it as amusing to himself as he could and it was his pleasure and not his pain that made all things beautiful that were made and lavished treasures of human hope and thought on everything that was made, from a cathedral to a porridge pot"
Morris and Co.
Morris and Company began in 1861. The founder members were; Edward Burne-Jones, Dante Gabriel Rossetti, Ford Maddox Brown, Phillip Webb, P.P.Marshall and William Morris himself. In the early years Morris designed the windows himself, later taken over by Edward Burne-Jones but Morris supervised the entire process.
Morris died in 1896 and Burne-Jones in 1898. The company continued well in to the twentieth century mostly using the old designs of Burne-Jones. The most highly rated windows are the early work.
The Liverpool area has fine legacy of work by Morris & Co. St Nicholas Hale wood has seventeen windows by Morris, All Hallows Church, Allerton has fourteen. Most churches with Morris work have only one or two windows by the company.
The following churches have at least one window by Morris & Co.
Birkenhead, St Mark
Birkenhead, St Saviour
Birkenhead, All Saints.
Frankby, St John the Divine.
Gateacre, St Stephen's
Knotty Ash, St John the Evangelist
St Mary, Edge Hill
St John the Baptist, Tuebrook
The Unitarian Church, Ullet Rd
St Mary, Prescot.
St Nicholas, Whiston
St Peter's, Woolton.
Alec Clifton-Taylor is the author of ' English Parish Churches as Works of Art' Easily the best book on parish church architecture, imo.
openlyJane February 12th, 2011, 10:30 PM ...
Awayo February 12th, 2011, 10:32 PM they eat babies.
the golden vision February 12th, 2011, 11:02 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0z4.jpg
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William Morris Windows at All Hallows church, Allerton.
openlyJane February 12th, 2011, 11:13 PM ....
Tom Hughes February 12th, 2011, 11:31 PM I seem to have stumbled upon a 'sore point'?
hope it's ok now....
For me it all comes down to the necessity for faith, direct relationship and the need to let go and trust. I do not need some bloke in a frock mediating for me.
I just wondered why you referenced (Roman) Catholicism, and no other "frock" wearing fraternity that was mentioned.... But, to be honest I think the real mediation issue was more with respect to the whole "Holy Trinity as opposed to holy unity" thingy rather than whether or not you needed a priest/preacher/minister/vicar or even a church at all. I just took the whole "mediation" theme a little further.
Given the original wealthy congregation of this church and their belief in their more direct relationship with God, it all seems like a class system of worship don't you think.....? low church, high church etc.... How very English, the upper classes can go straight to the top, cut out the middle-man. The rest will have to settle for Jesus. I wonder how that religious superiority all balanced against many of their family's slave-trade history....
I'm not sure what a 'theological acas...' is? Can you explain?
A.C.A.S....??!!
the golden vision February 12th, 2011, 11:44 PM Very beautiful. Did you make an appointment?
I take it that they are the William Morris windows? Because they are very decorative!
Yes, but i wasn't allotted much time understandably. They do have Open Days in the summer like the other Grade 1 churches in the area.
the golden vision February 12th, 2011, 11:46 PM All honesty i don't think Jane meant any offence so can we leave it now. Thanks.
the golden vision February 12th, 2011, 11:52 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0zz.jpg
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More Morris & Co windows at All Hallows, Allerton.
Tom Hughes February 12th, 2011, 11:59 PM All honesty i don't think Jane meant any offence so can we leave it now. Thanks.
I assure you, I'm not offended in the slightest..... should I be?
the golden vision February 13th, 2011, 12:08 AM I assure you, I'm not offended in the slightest..... should I be?
That's good...because i wouldn't like to see you offended. Now this thread is about religious buildings not doctrine/theology so unless you're going to contribute constructively find something else to do.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 12:35 AM ....
Tom Hughes February 13th, 2011, 12:47 AM That's good...because i wouldn't like to see you offended. Now this thread is about religious buildings not doctrine/theology so unless you're going to contribute constructively find something else to do.
Actually I was responding directly to Jane's posts..... should I assume therefore you are addressing that to Jane too..... and if so, why not intercede earlier?
I think you'll find the whole raison d'etre, and indeed much of the design features of these buildings (especially the windows perhaps) will be very deeply entwined with doctrine, and no doubt this prompted Jane's analysis. I simply responded directly asking about the particular reference to catholicism and frocks etc.... but thanks for telling me what I can or can't do. It's much appreciated!
the golden vision February 13th, 2011, 12:56 AM Actually I was responding directly to Jane's posts..... should I assume therefore you are addressing that to Jane too..... and if so, why not intercede earlier?
I think you'll find the whole raison d'etre, and indeed much of the design features of these buildings (especially the windows perhaps) will be very deeply entwined with doctrine, and no doubt this prompted Jane's analysis. I simply responded directly asking about the particular reference to catholicism and frocks etc.... but thanks for telling me what I can or can't do. It's much appreciated!
Apologies Tom. I didn't want to get involved. Hoping it would end early. I was aware that potentially someone could've taken offence at Jane's comment. Knowing it was completely innocent and knowing her motives i didn't myself. I know you are aware of my religion and i know when people are singling it out for attack. This wasn't the case.
Tom Hughes February 13th, 2011, 01:09 AM To be honest, you've completely lost me here:weird:
You clearly :)have a sensitivity to some sort of 'politics' that are really lost on me.
Anyway, Jesus is the man for me - just not the guy, any guy in a frock.
I do not see how faith is a matter of class or of superiority. I would have thought that those who cling to social mores and notions of respectability would be a little lacking in faith - as I see it anyway.
Let's get something straight right from the off.......
I'm not the least bit sensitive nor offended about anything at all in this thread...... you tried to furnish us with your interpretation of the Unitarian theology by comparing to catholicism..... I just wondered if you knew what the whole mediation thing meant in this context..... hence my mention of ACAS (as a joke)....... You didn't get it, just as you didn't understand the Holy Trinity versus Unitarian reference in terms of mediation..... the very basis of the comparison YOU tried to make. No men in frocks required.....
I was just asking where you were coming from, it would appear you don't really know..... no big deal, and certainly nothing for me to be sensitive about or offended by!
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 11:27 AM ....
Tom Hughes February 13th, 2011, 01:36 PM You are completely wrong and are blowing things up out of all proportion - because you seem to think that i hate Catholics or Catholicism. I take it that you a Roman Catholic.
Actually Jane, It is you who is over-reacting here. Where have I said I think you hate Roman Catholics? I'm wrong about what? I responded in a joking way about your interpretation of something that apparently "a nice lady" told you, hence the acas reference. Your response told me in an instant that you didn't actually know what "mediation" (hardly a trigger in the slightest) meant in this context. I then explained that the Unitarian stance is not at all about whether or not a human being (priest/vicar/whoever) can be your mediator with god (how could it be an issue, they have their own ministers), but whether or not Jesus is mediator, they don't believe he can be...... to the extent that by the time this church was built many "Unitarians" around the world were not even Christians, they didn't need to be. They may have come full circle by now, as there were a few different factions I believe.
I am now aware of how the influences of sectarianism in Liverpool are still strong and the effects of that result in hurt and anger.
Now you're accusing me of sectarianism? haha.... I've spent all my working life with Ulstermen and Glaswegians of both sides. I can assure you, none would ever level that one at me (in the slightest). Sectarianism is generally just bias that is based on simple ignorance and with respect, it's only you who has demonstrated seriously flawed knowledge (by your own admission). I simply questioned your assertions. You responded with something about "nice old ladies", pre-conceived ideology and an unhealthy obsession with frocked clergy thrown in..... LOL (laughs out loud ;) ).
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 02:29 PM ...
Tom Hughes February 13th, 2011, 04:58 PM Sorry Jane, but you're talking in riddles.
- your responses were angry - leaving me to assume that you had lived/worked in an environment scarred by such things.
There lies the problem, YOU make very poor assumptions, and then post them as if fact. I'm neither angry nor scarred? You seem to be desperate to turn this into something it's not. I wonder why? It is only you who keeps mentioning sectarianism..... to deflect from your inability to respond on the subject you posted on? I tried to explain my understanding of Unitarianism to you, and put it in a nutshell at least twice.... No big deal at all.... yet you decided to choke on it, and cough-up the sectarian-card from god knows where (left field perhaps).
It is you who seem to have an 'unhealthy obsession' with 'putting me right'.
Surely it's never "unhealthy" to "put people right" ;) ...... I thought informative discussion/debate was the whole purpose of this and any similar board. I asked a simple question (with a joke, sorry I didn't use a few smileys to make it more obvious), you couldn't answer so I was then accused of being angry, scarred and sectarian....... and I'm supposed to be sensitive haha, go figure. Apparently, it is MY problem that YOU don't know what you're talking about.... (even after its explained!).
Haven't you reacted similarly to others who've had the temerity to question your assertions? Was it Babs perhaps?
Perhaps we can get back to pictures of churches now
It's Sunday, why not just go to one instead, no need for an appointment today, you might find lots of nice old ladies, and glean even greater insight to enlighten us all with.... ;)
PS.... I'm still not angry.
PPS... apologies to GV for punctuating his predominently pictorial thread with unnecessary text.
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openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 05:25 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000055.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000055.jpg
Ecclesiastical garments at SFX in Everton.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 05:41 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000038.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000038.jpg
Window at the Greek Orthodox Church - Princes Rd.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 05:48 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000036.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000036.jpg
Stairwell and dome at The Greek Orthodox Church.
the golden vision February 13th, 2011, 05:55 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000060.jpg
The Lady Chapel at SFX.
This my favourite picture of the thread so far. It's in the Early English style, subtleties of light and shade. Never actually been in there.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 07:07 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000058-1.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000058-1.jpg
More from SFX.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 07:09 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1000059.jpghttp://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Buildings%20in%20Liverpool/P1000059.jpg
More detail. I'm not good on terms and names for parts of buildings/churches.
I just appreciate beauty and craftsmanship.
Tom Hughes February 13th, 2011, 07:57 PM Do you know what? I cannot be bothered to read over this entire post, let alone resolutely deal with each little point in turn, as you seem so keen to. Give it a break!
GV and I were having a harmless and friendly exchange on a thread which I don't think that you have, up to now, ever contributed to. All of a sudden you arise full of indignation & casting aspersions.
I am bored with this and with your whole attitude.End of.
Do you know what? I do have some indignation now.... because you're a bit of a spoilt child, who thinks they can spout anything and then cry foul when someone tells you you're talking nonsense.
Of course you can't be bothered, at no point have you addressed my initial question nor anything in between, you can't. I don't mind that, but I do object to all the self-preservation and sectarian bollocks afterwards..... I tried to engage, you choked and spewed nonsense.
As ever, your assumptions prove completely inaccurate... check the thread again, surely it really isn't that hard! I'm not much of a photographer tho, give you that much! Actually I really enjoy this thread. I know many of the buildings featured very well so please cast your disparaging aspersions elsewhere!
SFX? hahaha.... tell me something about that place, see any men in frocks? Then again, please don't bother!!
Medici February 13th, 2011, 08:28 PM :angel: Isn't there a shop in St John's called Frocks? There is a love song of J Alfred Prufrock by TS Eliot also.
openlyJane February 13th, 2011, 08:29 PM Over the last 10 years or so, I've had a bit of a love affair with Sicily - visiting on several occasions. I know that the following pictures are not of churches in Liverpool, but they are wonderfully typical of the Sicilian Baroque style - as can be found all over sicily, but especially in the South- Eastern region, where you will find the cities of Ragusa, Noto and Modica - all World Heritage Sites.
I will not normally make a habit of posting pictures outside of the region - but I thought that some people may appreciate these images.
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The duomo In Syracuse.
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Medici February 13th, 2011, 08:34 PM The baroque is such a flamboyant and emotionally expressive aesthetic. Very typical of the Counter Reformation.
Paul D February 13th, 2011, 09:09 PM http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4639/stnicholaschurchliverpo.jpg
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Our Lady and St Nicholas, Liverpool Waterfront.
the golden vision February 13th, 2011, 10:05 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/DSCN3343.jpg
Noto.
Fantastic. Thanks.
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Morris & Co windows at All Hallows, Allerton.
the golden vision February 13th, 2011, 10:29 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0y3.jpg
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Morris & Co windows, All Hallows, Allerton.
Chris J February 14th, 2011, 12:36 AM On my way back from takin some pics of the new Tower Crane at The Eco Halls University Development. Eco Hall Development Set... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlex/sets/72157625896272181/)
I heard the sounds of what sounded like drums coming from St Lukes Church I walk over they were letting people in for a donation (£1) and signing a waiver against injury. I didn't hane a lot of time so I paided my £1 and dashed in & grabbed a few pics & a video
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5442328161_f025fc58c5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlex/5442328161/)
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These are the drums I heard as I walked down Leece Street towards Central Station.
It's Urban Strawberry Lunch they currently manage St Lukes Church
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Hopefully it will be open another weekend when I have more time....
Dalla contea February 14th, 2011, 09:10 AM Over the last 10 years or so
come back soon to visit us :cheers:
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romablue February 14th, 2011, 01:19 PM I will.:) Having travelled around Sicily and visited a lot of towns, cities, temples and sites - Ragusa will be the place that I stay on my next visit.
I love to watch Inspector Montalbano ( Luca Zingaretti), and really enjoy it when Ragusa is used as a location.
Ciao!
Wow a Montalbano fan in Liverpool!!! Great TV program, possibly the best thing RAI has produced in the last decade. Good acting, great music and an excellent backdrop of this area of Sicily (as shown in Jane's photos).. I know you can see it Australia (with English subtitles) but I didn't know there was any exposure in the UK.
Ragusa Ibla is the place I find enchanting.. though I do like Syracusa (Ortigia) and Noto as well. Getting back on thread a bit.. the Syracusa cathedral for which Jane posted a photo is one of the oldest continually used religious buildings in the world - It started life as a Greek Temple, then a Roman temple and eventually became a basilica to Saint Lucy (Santa Lucia).
Great Photos of some of the great gems in Liverpool as well. I don't think there is a city outside of London with so many varied quality religious buildings in the UK - Anglican, Lutheran, non-conformist, Catholic, Jewish and Greek Orthodox. Fantastic and thanks to everybody for the great photos :cheers:
Keayman February 14th, 2011, 01:21 PM Fantastic photos on this thread. Thanks :applause:
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the golden vision February 25th, 2011, 09:49 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0w26.jpg
St John the Baptist Tuebrook. Grade 1 listed,1871. The church is one of the best examples of the work of eminent Victorian architect, George Frederick Bodley. Magnificent painted interior, with work by Morris & Co and Kempe.
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The stencil work of the roofs and walls.
the golden vision February 25th, 2011, 09:59 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0w13.jpg
The nave looking east.
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The magnificent painted oak Rood Screen
the golden vision February 25th, 2011, 10:10 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0w32.jpg
Altar and reredos.
the golden vision February 25th, 2011, 10:41 PM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0w44.jpg
The east window by Morris & Co.
romablue February 25th, 2011, 10:56 PM I've been told on good authoriity that St Peter and Pauls RC Church in New Brighton which was closed over a year ago will re-open. The new RC bishop of Shrewsbury has decided to listen to the voices of the campaigners and re-start services
the golden vision February 25th, 2011, 11:01 PM I've been told on good authoriity that St Peter and Pauls RC Church in New Brighton which was closed over a year ago will re-open. The new RC bishop of Shrewsbury has decided to listen to the voices of the campaigners and re-start services
That's great news. I've never been in it but it's a real landmark on both sides of the river.:cheers:
the golden vision February 26th, 2011, 12:14 AM http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/0w55.jpg
The chancel.
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