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The FFR has announced plans to build its own 80,000-seat stadium, with a retractable roof:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/9229158.stm

Yes Serge blanco a french legendary rugby player brings the project of an 80K retractable roof arena by 2017 in Paris region. :)

http://www.dartfish.tv/Presenter.aspx?CR=p40292c18700m204614

I wonder what made them want a new 80,000 arena. The Stade de France has a reputation as being a great venue, yet France Rugby do not feel it's good enough? ???

This is piling more embarassment on Scotland Rugby - Wales has a new stadium (70,000), Ireland does too (50,000), now France wants one (80,000) - why can't Scotland keep up with the Jones's? :(

This is piling more embarassment on Scotland Rugby - Wales has a new stadium (70,000), Ireland does too (50,000), now France wants one (80,000) - why can't Scotland keep up with the Jones's? :(

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Murrayfield holds just over 67,000, what is your point?

I wonder what made them want a new 80,000 arena. The Stade de France has a reputation as being a great venue, yet France Rugby do not feel it's good enough? ???

This is piling more embarassment on Scotland Rugby - Wales has a new stadium (70,000), Ireland does too (50,000), now France wants one (80,000) - why can't Scotland keep up with the Jones's? :(

The stadium with best reputation amongst rugby fans it's Marseille because close proximity with players.

i think this is a good idea personally. The Rfu makes a huge amount of money because they own twickenham and make all the profit out say 6-7 sell out internationals, plus other games and concerts etc all this money can then get funded back into grass roots devolpment.

can't wait to see some first design pics. isn't 600 million cheap for a ground that size?

i think this is a good idea personally. The Rfu makes a huge amount of money because they own twickenham and make all the profit out say 6-7 sell out internationals, plus other games and concerts etc all this money can then get funded back into grass roots devolpment.

can't wait to see some first design pics. isn't 600 million cheap for a ground that size?

For sure since 2004 it's easier to have cheap workers :D

is their any pics of this ground at all? and will it be just the french national team ground or will stade move their as well.

i know they play some of the bigger games at the stade de france

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Murrayfield holds just over 67,000, what is your point?

Ever been? It's old and grotty, need refurbished at least.

I wonder what made them want a new 80,000 arena. The Stade de France has a reputation as being a great venue, yet France Rugby do not feel it's good enough? ???

This is piling more embarassment on Scotland Rugby - Wales has a new stadium (70,000), Ireland does too (50,000), now France wants one (80,000) - why can't Scotland keep up with the Jones's? :(
Scotland already has an offensively large stadium that's barely ever used, let alone filled. The fact that France wants the same thing should evoke disgust, not envy.

At least Wales and Ireland share with soccer.

is their any pics of this ground at all? and will it be just the french national team ground or will stade move their as well.

i know they play some of the bigger games at the stade de france

^^ No pics yet. The french federation only announced yesterday that they plans to build a new ground. There are still many details to settle, the location (apparently near Paris), the definition of technical specifications, and the most important, the financial (600 millions, it looks so much!!!).
Le calendrier fixe à fin 2011 la décision de lancer la construction, à 2012 le lancement du concours d'attribution de la conception et de la construction, à 2013 le dépôt du permis de construire. Le chantier prendrait trois ans, de 2014 à 2016, avec pour objectif une inauguration en 2017.
Secondly, you have to know that this project looks very ambitious. The FFR wants this stadium to be used not only for rugby games, but for concerts and other events too.
"Nous voulons bâtir un stade, une agora, une enceinte sportive, culturelle et artistique pour l'ensemble du sport français", a dit Pierre Camou.

Serge Blanco a précisé que selon les premières études, le seuil de rentabilité se situerait autour de 17 à 20 manifestations par an, matches de rugby ou autres.
After all, it would be a Stade de France-bis, and this doesn't like so much the Stade de France Consortium...

one thing i read:

-a retractable pitch

:lol: Lille emulation? :lol:

I'm sure they think about it! they want to copy us!!

just i thought. imo why i they building the stadium in paris where the hot bed of french rugby is down the south except for stade francias.

only 2 out of 5 top french citys by population are down south and marsielle already has a large stadium maybe building in toulouse would be good i have been to a couple of cities down the south of france and they all seen rugby mad.

or maybe the french could become a nomadic team and play games all over france and not have a home, that would be good cause every six nations game would be a new experience for the visiting team

No! paris is the capital! and in sport it is the capital too

There already be 5 stadiums for football , rugby and athletism
-future Arena 92 for rugby near la defense
-extension for rolland garros tennis

Paris is the centre and i prefer go see a concert in paris than anywhere in beautiful france! :)

Here we 're 1 hour from paris by TGV! Toulouse is far

Well, although the majority of the Top 14 clubs are situated in the south of France (there are only 2 clubs in the north, the Stade Francais and the Racing Metro since 2 years), I think it's better than this stadium is built in Paris. Because the french team has always played in Paris since 100 years (Colombes, Parc des Princes and then Stade de France), and this has never bothered anyone, even the supporters from the south of France.
Moreover, near Paris there is already the international airport and the national rugby center in Marcoussis.

80,000? Really? Is there is really that much demand for Rugby in France? Can they honestly get as much usage out of this stadium as England does with Twickenhiem?

Does Paris really need another huge stadium?

I thought rugby was popular down south, so would Marseille have been a better option?

And Scotland doesn't need a new stadium, Murrayfield bleeds money as is, as minor a team as Queens Park may be, at least they make sure Hampden gets use.

Marseille? they don't care about rugby

^^ You always have to push your words to the extreme. Of course, the city is really passionated by the local football team, the Olympique de Marseille. But I don't think they don't care about rugby, just look the rugby games organised in the Vélodrome. When the french team play there, it's always a popular succes. And don't forget that there is a real rugby culture in the region with the RC Toulon.

@koolio: The rugby is very popular in France, and more since the world cup organised in 2007. The french team brings regularly 80,000 people in Stade de France.

The only reason for this new stadium is the unreasonable demands from Stade de France's landlords. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been a problem. Good on them I say, the FFR may as well have their own ground, Paris is a big enough place. Though I do understand the argument for a National Rugby Stadium elsewhere in France, the Six Nations is usually restricted to capital cities, otherwise, the Italians would have most of their games at the San Siro or somewhere in Veneto. As for Scotland, Murrayfield just needs a little touch-up, though I sometimes wonder why they can't take the odd major test to Glasgow. What about Scotland vs the All Blacks at Ibrox, Parkhead or Hamden?

This proposed rugby stadium should not be built. it's going to be a white elephant.

Stupid idea! Paris has a fantastic St. Denis stadium, which is used for football national team, rugby national team and athletic events only. So, why would anyone built a huge stadium only for rugby national team??!! Nonsense!

one thing i read:

-a retractable pitch

:lol: Lille emulation? :lol:

I'm sure they think about it! they want to copy us!!

That's impossible, since Lille will NOT have a retractable pitch, only a semi-retractable, working in a different manner than fully retractable pitches like those of Gelsenkirchen, Sapporo or Sankt Petersburg...

And now seriously - guys, how many rugby games per season would be likely to sell out in this new stadium, or be close to that?

And since sports use will probably not be even half of the big event number, do you think Paris entertainment market is capacble of giving food to two large stadiums?

Seems like it would turn the Stade De France into even more of a white elephant if it happened.

And now seriously - guys, how many rugby games per season would be likely to sell out in this new stadium, or be close to that?

I reckon five or six, the same as Twickenham. Plus lots of other games that don't sell out but still generate revenue.

^^ Maybe more even, as the French Clubs often hold "blockbuster" fixtures throughout the season away from there usual home grounds, to some of the larger ones. Bayonne and Biarritz shift to San Sebastien in Spain, Toulon shift to Marseilles Velodrome, Toulouse move to Municipal and Stade Francais (or even Racing) move to Stade de France. Also note that I'm not talking about Grand Finals or Championship play-offs, I'm talking about ordinary league games, or Heineken Cup pool games.

80,000? Really? Is there is really that much demand for Rugby in France?

Apparently.... yes there is ! (despite our very weak national rugby team :mad:)...

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PARIS - Stade de France (81,338) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=353570)

The only reason for this new stadium is the unreasonable demands from Stade de France's landlords. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been a problem. Good on them I say, the FFR may as well have their own ground, Paris is a big enough place. Though I do understand the argument for a National Rugby Stadium elsewhere in France, the Six Nations is usually restricted to capital cities, otherwise, the Italians would have most of their games at the San Siro or somewhere in Veneto. As for Scotland, Murrayfield just needs a little touch-up, though I sometimes wonder why they can't take the odd major test to Glasgow. What about Scotland vs the All Blacks at Ibrox, Parkhead or Hamden?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Murrayfield except it is about 5 - 10 years older than the other redeveloped grounds, due to Scotland being proactive and the first of the Six Nations to redevelop their stadium!

People have to remember that the SRU built this stadium themselves with NO lottery money whatsoever and then television revenue dried up due to England deciding to sell their rights seperately and the Beeb being a right bunch of nasty bastards when it comes to its dealings with the SRU.

All in all i would hold Murrayfield up to all the Stadia in the Six nations save the Millennium Stadium for obvious reasons. It may not have the capacity of some of the others but it is specced appropriately for the championship.

Infact i would laugh at anyone who would say the Aviva is a better ground than Murrayfield, Twichkenham is simply bigger, no better in terms of spec and same with the Stade de France!

Infact i would laugh at anyone who would say [...] is a better ground than Murrayfield, Twichkenham is simply bigger, no better in terms of spec and same with the Stade de France!

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Murrayfield except it is about 5 - 10 years older than the other redeveloped grounds, due to Scotland being proactive and the first of the Six Nations to redevelop their stadium!

People have to remember that the SRU built this stadium themselves with NO lottery money whatsoever and then television revenue dried up due to England deciding to sell their rights seperately and the Beeb being a right bunch of nasty bastards when it comes to its dealings with the SRU.

All in all i would hold Murrayfield up to all the Stadia in the Six nations save the Millennium Stadium for obvious reasons. It may not have the capacity of some of the others but it is specced appropriately for the championship.

Infact i would laugh at anyone who would say the Aviva is a better ground than Murrayfield, Twichkenham is simply bigger, no better in terms of spec and same with the Stade de France!

I've never been to Murrayfield, so can't comment on its "spec", but it does look rather basic from the outside. Does the West Stand have proper concourses inside (I've seen exterior shots that show it has strange-looking staircases leading to the upper tier)? Twickenham does, even if they aren't fully enclosed.

Design-wise, Murrayfield is a bit of an odd beast too, with the lopsided stands and sprint track down one side.

I've never been to Murrayfield, so can't comment on its "spec", but it does look rather basic from the outside. Does the West Stand have proper concourses inside (I've seen exterior shots that show it has strange-looking staircases leading to the upper tier)? Twickenham does, even if they aren't fully enclosed.

Design-wise, Murrayfield is a bit of an odd beast too, with the lopsided stands and sprint track down one side.

I am not so sure it is an odd beast it is exactly the same as Old Trafford, Celtic Park and St James' park save for the fact they incorporated the step down as one smooth sweeping action unlike the three aforementioned stadia which have god awful right angled steps down to their smaller stands

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Hey guys, why wouldn't you argue about "the best european rugby stadium"... there :) (:():

Six Nations Championship Venues (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=63799127)

Ever been? It's old and grotty, need refurbished at least.

Yes i have and i can officially report you are talking big red bags of SHIIIIIIIITE!

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^^Ugly from outside...but a "theatre of dreams" from inside... :happy:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Murrayfield except it is about 5 - 10 years older than the other redeveloped grounds, due to Scotland being proactive and the first of the Six Nations to redevelop their stadium!
As a matter of fact, the redevelopment of Murrayfield was one of the reasons Scotland tabled the idea of hosting the European Championships. As it stands now, Scotland could probably manage to stage the Rugby World Cup on their own, when you consider they already have four very large stadia which can host the big pool games and quarter-finals, with the semi and finals at Murrayfield or Hamden. There is enough good SPL club grounds that could do the business for the other fixtures; it might even be worth having some smaller games at the odd club rugby ground.

People have to remember that the SRU built this stadium themselves with NO lottery money whatsoever and then television revenue dried up due to England deciding to sell their rights seperately and the Beeb being a right bunch of nasty bastards when it comes to its dealings with the SRU.

That's absolutely right, it lead to the near-expulsion of England from the 5 Nations tournament.

That's impossible, since Lille will NOT have a retractable pitch, only a semi-retractable, working in a different manner than fully retractable pitches like those of Gelsenkirchen, Sapporo or Sankt Petersburg...

And now seriously - guys, how many rugby games per season would be likely to sell out in this new stadium, or be close to that?

And since sports use will probably not be even half of the big event number, do you think Paris entertainment market is capacble of giving food to two large stadiums?

Stop telling stories!! Lille has no equivalent this pitch which enables configurations that the stadiums mentionned can't do. 12 configurations possible!!!! Never in the past it has been done.
Lille is THE dream for all company managing stadiums just because it's a stadium like emirates+o2 arena in one ! No equivalent :cheers2:

I have mixed feeling about this project.
I'm globally happy that the FFR try to reach the next step but is it healthy enough to backup such an expensive project?
If Blanco is sure that with 17-20 events a year it will be a profitable venture, why not...

That surely means that the national rugby team will have to play all its home game at this stadium and will no longer be able to tour in cities like Marseille, Nantes or Toulouse.

And what's the problem? You don't like to visit paris? :lol:

I'm still not convinced about the fianancial viabilty of this stadium.

The national team can play 6 or 7 matches a year max.
Some club games can be played but when St francais sell out the SDF tickets are very cheap, 5 and 10 euros!
Other events such as concerts will be up against the SDF.

For comparison in 09/10 the RFU turnover was £112 with £25.8 profit.
http://www.rfu.com/News/2010/November/News%20Articles/171110_financial_reoprt
Assuming simialr figures for the FFR it will many many years to pay off this stadium :ohno:

It not going to get anywhere near as much use as Wembley or a club football ground such as the emirates for example.

Serge Blanco, the man in charge of the project, has confirmed on the radio RMC that this stadium will be built in the "Greater Paris" and its capacity will be around 82-83K.

Here is the interview (in french): podcast.rmc.fr/sportissimon (http://podcast.rmc.fr/channel186/20101127_sportissimon_0.mp3) (from 14:20)

Serge Blanco, the man in charge of the project, has confirmed on the radio RMC that this stadium will be built in the "Greater Paris" and its capacity will be around 82-83K.

Here is the interview (in french): podcast.rmc.fr/sportissimon (http://podcast.rmc.fr/channel186/20101127_sportissimon_0.mp3) (from 14:20)

Nice progression of rugby ! Centre national de rugby in 2002, rugby world cup in 2007 and now this stadium ! it's very good trend.

Serge Blanco, the man in charge of the project, has confirmed on the radio RMC that this stadium will be built in the "Greater Paris" and its capacity will be around 82-83K.

Here is the interview (in french): podcast.rmc.fr/sportissimon (http://podcast.rmc.fr/channel186/20101127_sportissimon_0.mp3) (from 14:20)

Is there a transcript? I understand about 80% of written French and about 8% of spoken French. :D

And what's the problem? You don't like to visit paris? :lol:

to be fair Paris is a beautiful city but one among few jewels.

A match against NZ, england and teams of the same caliber must take place in the biggest possible stadium but i like the fact the national team uses smaller stadium against weaker teams. The football team does it with success in small stadium (Metz, St Etienne etc...) when they meet Luxembourg, andorre and CO.
The whole country feels concerned I guess and I like it.

I believed the Stade De France fullfilled the FFR needs but Serge Blanco seems to think otherwise...
Does he hate so much the distance between the pitch and the stand or does he just want control over the stadium?

Actually, a stadium is seen as a tool that can help a sport, a federation or a team to expand its value but the risk of such a big an expensive project is high. Blanco wants to gamble and have this tool to show his fellows what a party is a rugby game.
600 millions? It makes 10 coins per french. I would be pleased to sacrifice.

Stupid idea! Paris has a fantastic St. Denis stadium, which is used for football national team, rugby national team and athletic events only. So, why would anyone built a huge stadium only for rugby national team??!! Nonsense!
Yes, I agree: Paris doesn't need two 80k stadiums.
If FFR got too much money, it could help other cities to build real Rugby stadiums. If you expect "the Stadium" in Toulouse (that is not always used by Stade Toulousain) and "Stade de la Mediterrannée" in Beziers (the team plays now in PRO D2 and not in TOP 14), there are no big venues for Top 14.

Stade Français will stay in Jean Bouin (sometimes in Parc des Princes and sometimes in Stade de France) and Racing Metro in Colombes (sometimes in Stade de France). Clermont-Ferrand, Brive, Bourgoin, Toulon, Biarritz, Bayonne, Dax, Agen, Perpignan...have small venues that should be expended.

The only reason for this new stadium is the unreasonable demands from Stade de France's landlords.
Yes, that's too expensive but it's because Stade de France is a National Stadium and is not the home of any team. I think that FFR could get better price.


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Clermont-Ferrand / Stade Marcel Michelin: with 15 000 seats, it's one of the biggests.

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Toulon / Stade Mayol: 13 000 seats

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Perpignan / Stade Aimé Giral:

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Bourgoin-Jallieu (Lyon Metro Area !!!) / Stade Pierre Rajon: 10 000 seats.

and "Stade de la Mediterrannée" in Beziers (the team plays now in PRO D2 and not in TOP 14), there are no big venues for Top 14.

The Stade de la Méditerrannée (16,000 seats) is not the second biggest rugby stadium.
Actually it's smaller than the Stade Charléty in Paris (20,000 seats; temporary home of Stade Français during the reconstruction of Jean Bouin), or the Stade Ernest Wallon in Toulouse (19,500), or the Stade Michelin in Clermont (16,200, soon to be 19K) or again the stade Jean Daugez in Bayonne (17,000) and it's barely bigger than the Park Aguilera in Biarritz (15,500), the new Stade Yves du Manoir in Montpelier (15,000 with standing areas), Aimé-Giral in Perpignan (15,000 with standing areas), Mayol in Toulon (14,700) or the Stade Olympique Yves du Manoir in Colombes (14,000 seats).

Not to mention that Beziers stadium, despite some recent minor renovations, is quite outdated, with no major renovations planned. Unlike most of the stadiums mentioned above !

Stade Français will stay in Jean Bouin (sometimes in Parc des Princes and sometimes in Stade de France)

:nono:
By agreement with the municipality of Paris who will foot the bill for the new stadium (20-22K: the second largest rugby-specific stadium ever built in France), they won't play at the PdP or the SdF anymore when the new Jean Bouin will be completed (2012).

and Racing Metro in Colombes (sometimes in Stade de France).

:nono:
By 2014 they will play in Nanterre/La Défense in their brand new "Arena 92" (32K + retractable roof; funded by the Racing owner). And, just like the Stade Français, they won't play at the Stade de France as soon as this new arena will be built (the largest and most ambitious rugby-specific stadium ever built in France).

Then the old Olympic Stadium of Colombes will apparently be demolished and replaced by the new National Handball Arena (15K).

So confused. Why does Paris need another 80,000 seat rugby venue? Stade de France was just fine for all the World Cups.

^^ The real question is not "why does Paris need a large rugby-specific stadium ?" (the same could be asked about London, JoBurg or Cape Town... and the answer is: no, not really), but: "Why does the French Rugby Federation want to build its own stadium ?" ;)

So confused. Why does Paris need another 80,000 seat rugby venue? Stade de France was just fine for all the World Cups.

why south africa has soccer city and ellis park?

Ellis Park was built a long while ago and actually has a home team of football AND rugby. Soccer City was built a long while ago during apartheid for those in Soweto and transformed for the WC, and hosts lots of matches, football, concerts etc.

Stade de France does not have a tenant, and does not host all rugby test matches in France, so which matches exactly will be played here?

Stade de France, Parc de Princes....Jean Bouin is being upgraded...80,000 specifically for rugby, I'm not sure what exactly it would take over from Stade de France, and even more who would want to pay for this.

In London or Joburg, there is an actual need and those venues have been there for decades, in the case of Joburg, a rugby stadium linked to an actual team, and another stadium built during apartheid.

I really don't kno what they are trying to achieve.

why south africa has soccer city and ellis park?

go read up you annoying troll.

go read up you annoying troll.


I discuss about the reasons which leads to build this stadium. Could you Pm me to say this because it is insulting to treat me a troll!

You have the right to stick a thread and insult me a troll?
Do you think it's respectful?

You haven't earned respect on these forums, and until you do so, you will remain a troll.

You haven't earned respect on these forums, and until you do so, you will remain a troll.


Why do you this? You don't stop to insult me. :(
I have PM center if you want to insult me directly!

Here is a thread about new rugby stadium! could you stay correct with me? i didn't insult you and it begin to be a little exasperating if you see what i mean...

From the outside looking in I would find it ridiculous if France were to build a new national rugby stadium because the FFR can't co-habit with the FFF at the Stade De France. There should be no need for it, especially when there are no club tenants at the ground, it should be the national icon, the crown in the sporting jewel, like i'd love one of either Hampden or Murrayfield to be in Scotland. You don't need 2. Especially not in this period of global financial strain caused by generations of excesses.

what you have to understand is FFR lost 150 million euros last decades just by playing at SDF!

with this money they can have their own stadium and earn money

Ellis Park was built a long while ago and actually has a home team of football AND rugby. Soccer City was built a long while ago during apartheid for those in Soweto and transformed for the WC, and hosts lots of matches, football, concerts etc.

Stade de France does not have a tenant, and does not host all rugby test matches in France, so which matches exactly will be played here?

Stade de France, Parc de Princes....Jean Bouin is being upgraded...80,000 specifically for rugby, I'm not sure what exactly it would take over from Stade de France, and even more who would want to pay for this.

In London or Joburg, there is an actual need and those venues have been there for decades, in the case of Joburg, a rugby stadium linked to an actual team, and another stadium built during apartheid.

I really don't kno what they are trying to achieve.

Other than tradition, what reason is there for London to have both Wembley and Twickenham?

Neither have a club side, and although both host a decent number of events each year, it isn't really any more (and hence still perfectly workable) than SdF or the Aviva.

Scotland is slightly different in that both Hampden and Murrayfield have their own club sides - but ofcourse the real reason we have two is that it is a better financial move for them to remain seperate. Just the same reason the FFR want their own place, I would guess.

what you have to understand is FFR lost 150 million euros last decades just by playing at SDF!

with this money they can have their own stadium and earn money

I didn't know that. This is a good pro for Blanco Project, and the first I hear here.
What is the reason? Does a 80k tickets sale at SDF ain't enough to cover the renting of the building? Cheap TV rights?
If FFR can bring a reasonnable long term project that have a chance to turn this dream into a profitable reality, all the cons will fade.

Other than tradition, what reason is there for London to have both Wembley and Twickenham?

So that the FA and RFU can arrange fixtures according to their own calendar and not the other's. May in particular would be a nightmare if both bodies had to share a single stadium:

1 May 2010: Army v Navy
8 May 2010: FA Trophy Final
9 May 2010: FA Vase Final
15 May 2010: Intermediate Cup, Senior Vase, Junior Vase Finals
15 May 2010: FA Cup Final
16 May 2010: Conference Play-off Final
22 May 2010: IRB Sevens
22 May 2010: Championship Play-off Final
23 May 2010: IRB Sevens
24 May 2010: England v Mexico
29 May 2010: Guinness Premiership Final
29 May 2010: League One Play-off Final
30 May 2010: England v Barbarians
30 May 2010: League Two Play-off Final

^^ The real question is not "why does Paris need a large rugby-specific stadium ?" (the same could be asked about London, JoBurg or Cape Town... and the answer is: no, not really), but: "Why does the French Rugby Federation want to build its own stadium ?" ;)

The answer to that is probably because they can.

Rugby is on the bright road in France so yes, if they can why would they hold on?
A stadium is a tool and correctly managed can be a money maker.
People needs fantasy right now so correctly used (concerts, fair, sports etc...), it can bring tons of money.
Hope the stadium won't have athletic tracks (I know, I know but sometimes people have strange ideas).

Any renders yet? This could be another gem of sports architecture in Paris.

^^ Nope, not yet, it's "a bit" too early ! ;)

First, the project has to be approved (or not) by the FFR and its financial partners (the final decision will be taken late 2011), then if it's approved, they will have to choose/find a location in the Greater Paris, and finally, the architectural bidding process will be launched (probably late 2012/early 2013).

These infos come from the official french rugby union (FFR) website :
http://www.ffr.fr/index.php/ffr/historique/2011/projet_stade

It's the management consulting firm McKinsey which is "driving" the project

Calendar :

- 20 mai 2011 : Deadline for interested bidding cities
- 31 mai 2011 : Specifications will be sent by FFR to bidding cities
- 18 juillet 2011 : Complete bidding cities candidatures sent to FFR

So this is only for the territory, not yet the building process
FFR wants it in the inner suburbs of Paris
The final decision to make it or not will be taken at end of 2011

600M€
~82000 places
Movables pitch and roof

one thing i read:

-a retractable pitch

:lol: Lille emulation? :lol:

I'm sure they think about it! they want to copy us!!

Lille has a shitty concept (:nuts:), the one in Arnhem, Netherlands is much better!

:lol: in what it is better?!

It's just about to put outside the grass! It doesn't influence the configuration of arena!

Eiffage constructor of Lille stadium will probably bid for new Rugby national stadium ! They said they want to sell the concept and i think it could match target of rugby representants bid!

Then inform yourself before attacking me. :cheers:

:lol: in what it is better?!

It's just about to put outside the grass! It doesn't influence the configuration of arena!

Eiffage constructor of Lille stadium will probably bid for new Rugby national stadium ! They said they want to sell the concept and i think it could match target of rugby representants bid!

Then inform yourself before attacking me. :cheers:

Not atacking, just busting your balls a little bit... Did it quite well I think.:cheers:

any renders of this stadium?... seems to be interensting

Far too early
This stadium is scheduled for 2017, we have to wait a long time to have official renders. It's only the preliminary phasis and you have to keep in mind that the project is not sure at all today.

If I dare make a calendar :

End of 2011 : Choice to build it or not (only thing sure)
2012 : Choice of the city
2013 : Call for tender /Architect competition
2014/2015 : Works start
2017 : Stadium delivery

But it's just my projection nothing official :)

Hello guys! It's been a while! I thought I'd put in my two cents!

The FFR better have the funding and this funding will be required to be 100% private! I mean no city support, metro support, region support... Cause if it is to get any public support that stadium will not be built!

Not as long as some people I know at STADEFRANCE are in business. And I can assure you these guys mean business and know business! STADEFRANCE shareholders will make sure that they remain the only 'mega'stadium in a 40 km radius around Paris built with public funds! Which means that they'll have to build this thing near Fontainebleau or halfway to Reims or Rouen in the middle of nowhere and The FFR will not get any support from the government when it will come to make it easy access for fans!

^^ indeed !

Fresh news !

From the official website of the french rugby union federation (FFR) :
http://www.ffr.fr/index.php/ffr/rugby_francais/projet_stade

It appears more and more that this stadium will be done :)
There are a lot of details on the website. It will be surprising if they step back now :cheers:

This multi-purpose stadium will be dedicated mainly for the whole french rugby (national team and championship), so no athletic track. But the goal is to host also other events like football games or concerts, shows etc... They want between 17 and 20 events by year in this stadium (Six nations tournament, international friendlies games, championships, other sports, shows etc...)

FFR already visited Amsterdam Arena, Gelredome, Santiago Bernabeu. They will see 14 stadium in Europe and USA for their studies

So what we already knew :

-82 000 seated places
-Moveable Roof and pitch (5th in the world)
-It will be in the inner suburbs of Paris
-600M€

What's new :

-There will be a real hosting area near the stadium. So the chosen area has to be a big one.
-FFR doesn't talk about public financing only private financing for the 600M€ costs
-There will be stadium naming rights
-They are saying that it will be a tool for the whole french sports. It may be meaning that there will be an arena inside like for the Grand stade in Lille. So it would be a multi-purpose stadium in a broad sense

Finally they gave a projected calendar :

In progress : Application for cities and areas

Décembre 2011 : Decision for the stadium

2012 : Launch of the feasability studies (programming, conception, building)

2013 : Planning application

2014 : Works start

2017 : inauguration

This just for the upper class ruggeroid code or Rugby League as well?

Rugby is on the bright road in France so yes, if they can why would they hold on?
A stadium is a tool and correctly managed can be a money maker.
People needs fantasy right now so correctly used (concerts, fair, sports etc...), it can bring tons of money.
Hope the stadium won't have athletic tracks (I know, I know but sometimes people have strange ideas).

Rugby union would be a minority sport if it never collaborated with the Vichy/Nazi government during WW2 and ensured that Rugby League got banned and all assets, stadia, players etc went to union....dirty bastards.

"If wishes were horses... "

For your question french rugby union federation will be owner of this stadium so... But why not

This just for the upper class ruggeroid code or Rugby League as well?

Here is the Rugby League, and VIIs, 'national' stadium of France (Paris, Stade Charléty, 20K) ;):

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/7872/3matchsevensrugbycopie.jpg



And about Rugby League at the new FFR stadium, well, like Botoxx just said: "Why not" ! :dunno: (but as you already know apparently, Rugby League is a niche sport over here in France)

Is there any reason why this white elephant stadium should be built?

^^ Yes, there is: €€€€€€€ !

Is there any reason why this white elephant stadium should be built?


Compared to the white elephant: London olympic stadium i think this one in paris is already designed for Rugby :)

London OS is not a white elephant anymore...

Whoever thought of this white elephant rugby stadium has to be smoking something, oh I don't know...endo?

Could be an attractive venue for the NFL for its international fixture which has mostly been played in London.

http://www.thiais-orly-rugby.fr/

New website for national rugby stadium proposal "Thiais-Orly".

This stadium is screaming 'White Elephant' to me especially if they are planning to build such a large stadium. With the Stade De France there is no need. The Aviva and Millenium need to share with football. Murrayfield also loses money (I think). Only Twickenham seemed the most reliable Rugby only stadium within the '6 Nations' as it hosts so many events that it would be impossible for it to share with other sports.

^^ So if Twickenham can exist without sharing why can't a french rugby stadium which would host a similar number of events?

This stadium is screaming 'White Elephant' to me especially if they are planning to build such a large stadium. With the Stade De France there is no need. The Aviva and Millenium need to share with football. Murrayfield also loses money (I think). Only Twickenham seemed the most reliable Rugby only stadium within the '6 Nations' as it hosts so many events that it would be impossible for it to share with other sports.

don't forget one thing!

If it's built, this stadium will be a giant arena (retractable roof) that can host much more events than Stade de France

Add a retractable roof and all changes in your approach of entertainement...

^^ So if Twickenham can exist without sharing why can't a french rugby stadium which would host a similar number of events?

Wont there be a big difference in costs though?

The RFU already owned Twickenham and upgraded it in stages. Does anyone know what it cost? I'd guess at less than £200M

The FFR will need to buy the land and then build it from scratch at a cost of at least €600M

don't forget one thing!

If it's built, this stadium will be a giant arena (retractable roof) that can host much more events than Stade de France

Add a retractable roof and all changes in your approach of entertainement...

I guess I like the Stade De France and just can't see the cost effectiveness of the new stadium altho I was surprised to read from your post that the FFR are losing money. However the difference with Twickenham was it was built in stages over a number of years. This will be from Scratch. If they do decide to go ahead with it I hope they take everything into consideration as it will be a shame for the Stade De France to miss out on these events.

Wont there be a big difference in costs though?

The RFU already owned Twickenham and upgraded it in stages. Does anyone know what it cost? I'd guess at less than £200M

The FFR will need to buy the land and then build it from scratch at a cost of at least €600M

Yes the cost will be higher, but if they believe they can cover it, what is the problem? After all once the costs are cover the asset would be one hell of a revenue generator. Also funds to cover it can come from all their sources (Sponsorship, TV) not just stadium income.

Yes the cost will be higher, but if they believe they can cover it, what is the problem? After all once the costs are cover the asset would be one hell of a revenue generator. Also funds to cover it can come from all their sources (Sponsorship, TV) not just stadium income.

It's a big IF though.

For comparison the RFU turnover is around £100-120M a year depending on how many 6ns games and AI's they host.

On that turnover they are making an operating profit of around £25-35M and a profit before tax of less than £10M

I don't know if the FFR have as many costs and grass root funding requirements etc as the RFU but it will definitely take them a long long time to pay for this new stadium.

Is it possible, its a stalking horse to get a better deal from the SDF?

This stadium is screaming 'White Elephant' to me [...] Only Twickenham seemed the most reliable Rugby only stadium within the '6 Nations' as it hosts so many events that it would be impossible for it to share with other sports.

Well, you seem not to know very well the Paris entertainment market, because for example, Stade de France hosts between 40 and 45 major events per year (+ more than 200 corporate events annually), which means more than Wembley and Twickenham put together. Then, if there is enough room for two financially viable large stadiums in London, so is in Paris IMO according to the major-events market of the Paris metro area (not to mention the Paris convention/seminar/corporate events market, which is the largest in Europe).


About the cost of this hypothetical stadium (€600 million), apparently a significant part will be fund by the Naming rights, the TV rights and the sponsorship deals. Not to mention that the land where the stadium will be built, will be certainly let almost for free by the public authorities of the location they will choose, wherever it is. etc


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don't forget one thing!

If it's built, this stadium will be a giant arena (retractable roof) that can host much more events than Stade de France

Add a retractable roof and all changes in your approach of entertainement...

I know you love to compare everything with Lille all the time :nuts:, but actually, this FFR stadium won't host more events than Stade de France, but simply different ones (especially in winter). Because as a matter of fact, the FFR is planning to host only 20 major events/matches per year in this stadium (approx. the same number as Twickenham hosts), while Stade de France hosts more than 40 major events per year (including approx. 8 rugby games).

Well, you seem not to know very well the Paris entertainment market, because for example, Stade de France hosts between 40 and 45 major events per year (+ more than 200 corporate events annually), which means more than Wembley and Twickenham put together.

I think Wembley is capped by the council at between 25-30 events per year.

If London can manage with Wembley as the big football stadium and Twickenham as the big rugby stadium, why can't Paris do the same with Stade de France and the new rugby stadium?

If London can manage with Wembley as the big football stadium and Twickenham as the big rugby stadium, why can't Paris do the same with Stade de France and the new rugby stadium?
Because French Football Federation is not capable of drawing crowds similar to the English FA for football games (in fact, I don't think any federation can)? Because Paris - with all due respect - is significantly smaller as an entertainment market than London (which is the biggest one in the world). Not sure about comparison between rugby federations in both cities...

Because Paris - with all due respect - is significantly smaller as an entertainment market than London (which is the biggest one in the world)

Says the (Brit wannabe :dunno:)Polish guy... :laugh:


Anyway, here are some live concerts for ya :angel::

(attended, among others, at the Eiffel Tower by 900,000 Frenchies.. myself included)
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Paris, La Défense (1990 Bastille Day): Jean-Michel Jarre concert

Attendance: 2,500,000 !!! = World record ! (myself included)
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Says the (Brit wannabe :dunno:)Polish guy... :laugh:
Says Stadium Consultancy, Europe's leading company analysing stadium usage. Not being able to accept facts and needing to go personal sounds very French, though.

By the way - can you give any figures on how much did the organizers earn on ticketing of these two concerts? :)

Because Paris - with all due respect - is significantly smaller as an entertainment market than London (which is the biggest one in the world).

Paris is as big in the entertainment market as London. Trust me- I was there.

If London can manage with Wembley as the big football stadium and Twickenham as the big rugby stadium, why can't Paris do the same with Stade de France and the new rugby stadium?

The RFU has grown up with Twickenham. It's evolved over time into the stadium it is today. Ditto Wembley and the FA. They've always been seperate.

The French RFU would need to incur significant debts to finanance and build their own stadium, on the other hand.

The support for Rugby might be similar, but the situations aren't. It'd be getting the project off the ground that's the problem, not filling the stadium should it be built.

And of course, that's before you even get into questions around how the SdF's business model may have to change.

^^ Rob,

How many (sold out) major events per year at Wembley ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Twickenham ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Stade de France ?

SdF > Wembley + Twickers, on that matter ! (AFAIK)



How many corporate events per year at Wembley ?
How many corporate events per year at Twickenham ?
How many corporate events per year at Stade de France ?

SdF > Wembley + Twickers, on that matter ! (AFAIK)

Paris is never gonna have their own Twickenham, so what's the point in even building a brand new 80k national rugby stadium, anyway? Might as well forget about it and drop the proposal.

^^ Rob,

How many (sold out) major events per year at Wembley ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Twickenham ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Stade de France ?

SdF > Wembley + Twickers, on that matter ! (AFAIK)



How many corporate events per year at Wembley ?
How many corporate events per year at Twickenham ?
How many corporate events per year at Stade de France ?

SdF > Wembley + Twickers, on that matter ! (AFAIK)

I'll take your word for that. Perhaps Rugby leaving wouldn't be that big a wrench. But my main point about the French RFU having to raise funds to build a new stadium still stands.

Even if everything's all possible and costed, saying as Jim did "London has two seperate stadiums, why can't Paris" is missing the point. The French RFU has different considerations. Ignore the last sentence of my last post, that was a rhetorical point more than anything, the rest of my post was really my answer to Jim's question.

Paris is never gonna have their own Twickenham, so what's the point in even building a brand new 80k national rugby stadium, anyway? Might as well forget about it and drop the proposal.

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Because Paris - with all due respect - is significantly smaller as an entertainment market than London (which is the biggest one in the world). Not sure about comparison between rugby federations in both cities...

Hum hum...

The only place in Europe which can follow London in term of events is ...Paris!

Those two places are above the rest of Europe in term of population,tourism,GDP etc...

Cities of 10 millions people each other linked by eurostar!

Those 2 places HAVE NO EQUIVALENT IN EUROPE!!!

It could be true London that london has more events/year than paris but not by the distance you describe!

Paris is as big in the entertainment market as London. Trust me- I was there.
Wow, that changes everything. So if I've been to both of the two, what does that mean? I still prefer to trust specialists than think that I know anything about their potential after just several visits...

Hum hum...

The only place in Europe which can follow London in term of events is ...Paris!

Those two places are above the rest of Europe in term of population,tourism,GDP etc...

Cities of 10 millions people each other linked by eurostar!

Those 2 places HAVE NO EQUIVALENT IN EUROPE!!!

It could be true London that london has more events/year than paris but not by the distance you describe!

Agreed! As I said - with all due respect for Paris which is the only city able to even compare itself to London. But still it's London above Paris, not the other way round.

Agreed!

Then, your first contribution to this thread was useless, in the first place ! ;)


(since we all agree..but thanks for the enlightenment though.. :laugh:)

Then, your first contribution to this thread was useless, in the first place ! ;)

(since we all agree..but thanks for the enlightenment though.. :laugh:)

I see it still pains that someone dared to call Paris smaller in any matter than any other place on earth :)
Actually, if you try to read more than the first word of a post, you'll get to my point. Good luck...

^^ Michal, I know I have a weird humor, but I hope you got that I was sarcastic and that I was teasing you in my previous posts ;) (so don't take my replies too seriously).

And it was indeed because of your point which essentially was "London has the largest entertainment market in the world, so Paris can't built a second 80k stadium" ....

If this ground does get built will it actually add to the amount of events Paris can host or will it merely be a case of splitting events that are currently held in one stadium into two?

It is planned to be retractable then...a little new market in Paris entertainement field.

For sure it will at least take the national (team) rugby demand.
Very Concerts & spectacles will be shared by SDF and this last one.

^^ Rob,

How many (sold out) major events per year at Wembley ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Twickenham ?
How many (sold out) major events per year at Stade de France ?

SdF > Wembley + Twickers, on that matter ! (AFAIK)


How many major matches/events did the SDF have? I'm curious as to what these extra games/events are:

2011 big concerts:
Wembley 9 (8 x Take That, Capital FM)
SDF 5 (3x Black Eyed Peas, 1 African night, Prince)
Twickenham 0 (I don't think there were any in 2011)

2011 football matches:
Wembley 12 (England 5, League Cup Final, FA cup SF x 2, FA cup final, CL final, LC playoff final, Com sheild) Normally there is the L1+L2 payoff finals plus various other smaller cup finals (FL trophy, FA trophy and vase etc)
SDF ??

2011 Rugby matches:
Wembley: 1 Challenge cup final ( plus half full for 4N RL and 2 or 3 Saracens games)
Twickenham: 8 (England 4, LDH, AP final, Quins big game, Wasp STG-day) + lots of other games (army/navy, varsity, county etc)
SDF??

2011 other:
Wembley 1 NFL
SDF??

How many major matches/events did the SDF have? I'm curious as to what these extra games/events are:

2011 big concerts:
Wembley 9 (8 x Take That, Capital FM)
SDF 5 (3x Black Eyed Peas, 1 African night, Prince)
Twickenham 0 (I don't think there were any in 2011)

2011 football matches:
Wembley 11 (England 5, League Cup Final, FA cup SF x 2, FA cup final, CL final, LC playoff final) Normally there is the L1+L2 payoff finals plus various other smaller cup finals (FL trophy, FA trophy and vase etc)
SDF ??

2011 Rugby matches:
Wembley: 1 Challenge cup final ( plus half full for 4N RL and 2 or 3 Saracens games)
Twickenham: 7 (England 4, LDH, Quins big game, Wasp STG-day) + lots of other games (army/navy, varsity, county etc)
SDF??

2011 other:
Wembley 1 NFL
SDF??

I've checked on sdf website for 2011.

2011 big concerts or show : 4 (Black Eyed Peas for 3 dates, Nuit Africaine for 1 date and Prince for one date and Excalibur for one date)

2011 football matchs : 8
- 6 matchess with the french team - USA, Belgium, Bosnia, Albania, Croatia and Brazil
- 2 cup's final : the cup and the league cup.
Compared to 11 matches at Wembley, we don't have this year the Champion's League final and we don't have the playoff of the League one... So, I think 8 matchs is a good amount.

2011 rugby matchs : 8.
- 2 with the french team during the 6 nations this years against Scotland and Wales,
- the final of Top 14
- 5 matches of Top for Racing Metro (against Toulouse and Stade Français) and Stade Français (against Toulouse, Clermont 2 times)

2011 other : 2 or 3 events, Trophée Andros (car race on ice) and the meeting Areva (athletic's event) and a sport's exhibition...

^^ Michal, I know I have a weird humor, but I hope you got that I was sarcastic and that I was teasing you in my previous posts ;) (so don't take my replies too seriously).
I've seen enough badly understood 'French pride' to believe that even someone as reasonable as you can act emotionally on this...

And it was indeed because of your point which essentially was "London has the largest entertainment market in the world, so Paris can't built a second 80k stadium" ....
My point was an answer to Jim - what reasons could there be for Paris not to have their own Twickers and Wembley. So if any, I would say that the French FA hasn't got similar potential and Paris is a smaller entertainement market. Because as much as it is the only city to even compare with London, it's also below the other one.

I never intended to say that it won't work because I don't know that. But if anything, I would say the two facts above may stand against the investment. Though I find it a very interesting case and am looking forward to seeing the ground built.

I've checked on sdf website for 2011.

You forgot some events I think:

Concerts/shows: 7 (Black Eyed Peas x3, Nuit Africaine x1, Prince x1, Excalibur ("chivalry show") x2, + several smaller ones in a temporary covered and heated amphitheatre which can host up to 10,000 spectators)

Football: 8 (French team x6, cup final, League cup final)

Rugby: 8 (French team x2, Top 14 final, Racing-Métro92 x2, Stade-Francais x3)

Others: 3-4 (Trophée Andros final (ice racing), Meeting Areva (athletics, Diamond League), Plage Stade de France (free event over 8 days) ...)

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And here are the 2010 events:

Concerts/shows: 7 (Muse x2, U2 x1, AC/DC x1, Indochine x1, Yannick Noah x1, Aïda (Opera) x1 + several smaller ones in a temporary covered and heated amphitheatre which can host up to 10,000 spectators)

Football: 6 (French team x4, cup final, League cup final)

Rugby: 12 (French team x5, Top 14 final, ERC H cup final, Stade-Francais x5)

Others: 3-4 (Trophée Andros final (ice racing), Meeting Areva (athletics, Diamond League), Plage Stade de France (free event over 8 days) ...)

several smaller ones in a tempora[/SIZE]ry covered and heated amphitheatre which can hosts up to 10,000 spectators)



which ones?

^^ The temporary amphitheatre is mostly used for the corporate events (big conventions/seminars), but AFAIK it also hosts occasionally some shows, such as classical music concerts, one man shows etc.

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Le Grand amphi innove encore en englobant à la fois les gradins bas et intermédiaires du Stade de France®. L'installation de l'impressionnante toile permet de créer 50 000 m3 d'espace chauffé et ainsi accueillir dans des conditions de confort optimales de 4 000 à 10 000 participants (disponible sur demande).
STADEFRANCE®

You forgot some events I think:

Concerts/shows: 7 (Black Eyed Peas x3, Nuit Africaine x1, Prince x1, Excalibur x2, + several smaller ones in a temporary covered and heated amphitheatre which can host up to 10,000 spectators)

Football: 8 (French team x6, cup final, League cup final)

Rugby: 9 (French team x2, Top 14 final, Racing-Métro92 x2, Stade-Francais x4)

Others: 3-4 (Trophée Andros final (ice racing), Meeting Areva (athletics, Diamond League), Plage Stade de France (free event over 8 days) ...)

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yeah, I forgot the beach at stade de france.

For rugby, it's not 9, but 8, because, I think you counted 2 times the match Metro - Stade français. Stade Francais has played 4 times, but, the last time it was against Metro, so... you can't say that Metro has played 2 times and Stade Français 4 times... because only 5 matches of Top 14 was played this year (except the final)
For concerts and show, I only counted the different sorts of concerts, but not the dates. But i agree with what you've written.

For rugby, it's not 9, but 8, because, I think you counted 2 times the match Metro - Stade français.

My bad, I didn't count the SF-RM92 game twice, but indeed I counted the SF-Toulon game of the 2010-2011 season (week 10), which was actually in 2010.


I'm going to edit my post.

genuine amphitheatre :)

But when it snows heavily or rains very hard isn't dangerous structure for spectator?

You forgot some events I think:

Concerts/shows: 7 (Black Eyed Peas x3, Nuit Africaine x1, Prince x1, Excalibur ("chivalry show") x2, + several smaller ones in a temporary covered and heated amphitheatre which can host up to 10,000 spectators)

Football: 8 (French team x6, cup final, League cup final)

Rugby: 8 (French team x2, Top 14 final, Racing-Métro92 x2, Stade-Francais x3)

Others: 3-4 (Trophée Andros final (ice racing), Meeting Areva (athletics, Diamond League), Plage Stade de France (free event over 8 days) ...)

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And here are the 2010 events:

Concerts/shows: 7 (Muse x2, U2 x1, AC/DC x1, Indochine x1, Yannick Noah x1, Aïda (Opera) x1 + several smaller ones in a temporary covered and heated amphitheatre which can host up to 10,000 spectators)

Football: 6 (French team x4, cup final, League cup final)

Rugby: 12 (French team x5, Top 14 final, ERC H cup final, Stade-Francais x5)

Others: 3-4 (Trophée Andros final (ice racing), Meeting Areva (athletics, Diamond League), Plage Stade de France (free event over 8 days) ...)

So the SDF holds around as many big Rugby games as Twickenham (but not the extra games such as army/navy, county, varsity etc)
Less football matches than Wembley
Around as many concerts as Wembley.

I still think the finances for this Rugby stadium will be difficult.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love them to build it but they will be paying for it for a long long time!!!

As for naming rights, its not a world famous iconic stadium with 100 years history like Wembley or a frequently used club ground, so the value to a sponsor is not as great!

As for naming rights, its not a world famous iconic stadium with 100 years history like Wembley or a frequently used club ground, so the value to a sponsor is not as great!
As for the first bold part: we don't know if it won't be a world famous iconic stadium at this stage. Allianz Arena wasn't as well until they actually built it ;)
As for the 2nd part: tradition is bad for naming rights, because it causes huge controvercies. Wembley has 100 years of existance and how many naming rights deals? It's actually easier to find sponsors for brand new venues, as experience shows. And it may as well be a big contract - the sponsor will surely be aware that this is one of the newest and largest venues in Europe, in one of two largest metropolies. That's actually quite a lot to offer for starters.

Today the FFR (Federation française de Rugby) FRENCH rugby fans will be heading for a new 82,000-seater stadium in Ris-Orangis, Evry, outside Paris for all international and elite matches as the rugby federation has voted for a €500 million project to build its own "home".

The ultra-modern Grand Stade will have a closing roof and a pitch that can be moved to allow for multiple uses. The FFR sees at least 20 events a year, including five or six for the French national team but also concerts and other forms of entertainment.

Opening in 2017

http://connexionfrance.com/French-rugby-stadium-Ris-Orangis-Evry-Stade-France-Hallyday-13895-view-article.html



http://media.rtl.fr/online/image/2012/0629/7750151646_la-federation-francaise-de-rugby-choisit-ris-orangis-pour-la-construction-de-son-futur-grand-stade-de-82-000-places.jpg
http://essonneinfo.fr/slide/articles/article1967.jpg

Can't wait to see who'll design this stadium. Exciting times ahead.

Winning Project (Evry Ris-Orangis)

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The French rugby federation (FFR) has opted for Evry Centre-Essonne, 25km south of Paris, as the new site for a dedicated 82,000-seater stadium from 2017 despite questions over financing.

Evry's bid, led by former mayor and now-Interior Minister Manuel Valls, beat off that of Thiais-Orly, situated just 1km from Paris' second airport at Orly.

The chosen site is spread over 133 hectares (1.33 square kilometres) including the disused Ris-Orangis hippodrome, and urban planning for the area surrounding the stadium includes the development of entertainment, leisure and sporting interests.

"It conforms to what we want," federation president Pierre Camou told a press conference here on Friday.

"One of the most modern stadiums in the world: pitch, roof, multi-functional, with exceptional comfort levels for spectators."

Camou added that the new stadium, which will cost 600 million euros and hopefully be completed in 2017, would be erected in a place where there was already a population centre, unlike the Stade de France in its rather bleak northern Paris site.

The federation's headquarters will, however, remain at Marcoussis 20km west of Evry, along with the National Centre of Rugby, the FFR's centre of excellence where the France team gathers before home internationals.

The French national team played previously at the Parc des Princes before moving in 1997 to the Stade de France, which hosts its home Six Nations matches. Other cities to have hosted home internationals include Lyon, Marseille, Nantes, Sochaux and Toulouse. The Federation has selected 3 Architects teams, FOSTER, POPULOUS & HKS. The winning project will be unveiled next december.

http://tensport.com.au/news/newsarticles/Rugby-Union-French-federation-opts-for-Evry-Centre-Essonne.htm

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Losing project (ORLY)

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HKS have an awful tendency to design stadiums with restricted views, so I can't say I'm convinced by them. Foster is well known for designing the new Wembley, and for that project Foster also worked with HOK Sport, which is now Populous. Hmmm, maybe those two will once again join up to design this new stadium.

As a Foster 'fan', I'd love to see him building the stadium, but after checking Populous' s previous achievements, I'm also really enthusiastic about them...

Check this out! (http://populous.com/projects/type/stadia/)

Let's wait & see...:)

@RMB, I hope so as well...

" RIS-ORANGIS " Are you serious guys ??? :ohno:

BTW, what about Évry and what about Bondoufle ????


pfffffff.

Anyway......



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PS: please, Sercan, could you rename this thread again into "PARIS - New national rugby stadium (82,000)"
('cause the name "ris-orangis" is far from relevant, btw I'm pretty sure that a non-Parisian/Francilien asked for the last change... Am I right ? :dunno:)

But in which city is the stadium?

But in which city is the stadium?

Ris-Orangis near Evry
located 20km south of Paris.
Population 27 000

Evry, population 52 000

EVRY:

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20120629_172101_stadefinalok.jpeg

Ris-Orangis or Evry??!?! :)

^^ PARIS for god's sake !!!!

If not, why don't you rename the Stade de France thread ? And what about the OL Land thread ??? Oh, and what about the ""Lille"" Stadium thread ??? Not to mention the so called ""Montpellier"" Arena.... etc etc etc etc

By the time this stadium is inaugurated, won't it be inside the new "Grand Paris" administrative entity?

^^ PARIS for god's sake !!!!

If not, why don't you rename the Stade de France thread ? And what about the OL Land thread ??? Oh, and what about the ""Lille"" Stadium thread ??? Not to mention the so called ""Montpellier"" Arena.... etc etc etc etc
Calm down :)

So Ris-Organis is part of Paris?!?

So Ris-Organis is part of Paris?!?

Nope, but just like Saint-Denis, Roissy-en-France, Boulogne, La Défense, Versailles, etc, are not part of Paris either ! ;)

Uh, i didn't know that. Always thought St.Denis is just a borough of Paris. So actually we have to change the title of the Stade de France topic :)

Always thought St.Denis is just a borough of Paris.

Nope ! Here is the one and unique City of Paris (and its 20 Arrondissements/Districts/Boroughs - mine is the XVIth one):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Paris_plan_jms.png/1024px-Paris_plan_jms.png?uselang=fr

I back PdP.. This thread has to be Called Paris or Paris/Evry

A massive footbridge will be the Stadium's emblem:

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20120629_173324_passerelleevry.ok.jpeg

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20120629_172208_cartestade-de-rugby2.ok.jpeg

http://www.leparisien.fr/images/2012/07/02/2073558_ea6d9a26-c3cc-11e1-909b-00151780182c.jpg

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20120629_174138_vueaerienne.2.ok.jpeg
The site as it is today

Is that an athletics stadium in the background?

I back PdP.. This thread has to be Called Paris or Paris/Evry
And I think we should stick with facts. Fact is - this is Ris-Orangis. Why the sudden need to name Paris here?

^^ Another fact is that Ris-whatever is part of the Paris metropolitan area.


Don't you consider the Stade de France being in Paris ? (while it is located in the city of Saint-Denis)
Don't you consider La Défense being in Paris ? (while this district is located in the cities of Puteaux and Courbevoie)
Don't you consider the future OL Land Stadium being in Lyon ? (while it is located in the city of Décines)
Don't you consider the Grand Stade de Lille being in Lille ? (while it is located in the city of Villeneuve d'Ascq)
Don't you consider the Montpellier Arena being in Montpellier ? (while it is located in the city of Pérols)
Don't you consider the Lyon Arena being in Lyon ? (while it is located in the city of Villeurbanne)
Don't you consider the future Arena 92 being in Paris ? (while it is located in the city of Nanterre)
Don't you consider St-Symphorien Stadium being in Metz ? (while it is located in the city of Longeville-Lès-Metz)
Don't you consider Armand-Cesari Stadium being in Bastia ? (while it is located in the city of Furiani)
Don't you consider Marcel-Picot Stadium being in Nancy ? (while it is located in the city of Tomblaine)


etc etc etc ;)

Is that an athletics stadium in the background?

Yep, it's a white elephant named Stade Robert Bobin (18-20K), built in the mid-90s for the Francophonie Games (and located in the city of Bondoufle, but also known as the stadium of Evry :D):

http://imageshack.us/a/img651/4268/capturedcran20120702220.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img209/1316/stadebobin07.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img256/5476/bondoufle43500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img822/174/bondoufle33500x375.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img220/8176/bondoufle1500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img685/7818/staderobertbobindebondo.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/9855/bondoufle31500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img837/8442/bondoufle25500x375.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5828/capturedcran20120702221.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img266/4679/capturedcran20120702222.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img191/2696/evrymaket.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img521/5828/capturedcran20120702221.jpg

Stade de France - people say Saint-Denis

Stade des lumières - people say Decines

etc etc :)

Paris is not the center of the world, there are other cities.

The New National rugby Stadium is in Ris-Orangis

Paris is not the center of the world, there are other cities.

:nuts:

Keep your inferiority complex for yourself, thanks, because my point had nothing to do with that.

BTW, what about Lille stadium, Nancy stadium, Metz stadium, la Défense etc etc etc etc ? What "people" say regarding these examples, according to you ? ;)

Oh, and sorry, but to me OL Land is in Lyon (most of people have never heard of Décines, you know), end of story.
Regarding St-Denis it's a bit different though (but most of people don't even know that St-Denis is not part of Paris).

About Ris-Orangis, I'm not even sure that the whole complex will be 100% in Ris... 'cause maybe a part of it will be in Bondoufle, and another part in Evry... (I admit I don't know precisely about that)

^^ Another fact is that Ris-whatever is part of the Paris metropolitan area.


Don't you consider the Stade de France being in Paris ? (while it is located in the city of Saint-Denis)
Don't you consider La Défense being in Paris ? (while this district is located in the cities of Puteaux and Courbevoie)
Don't you consider the future OL Land Stadium being in Lyon ? (while it is located in the city of Décines)
Don't you consider the Grand Stade de Lille being in Lille ? (while it is located in the city of Villeneuve d'Ascq)
Don't you consider the Montpellier Arena being in Montpellier ? (while it is located in the city of Pérols)
Don't you consider the Lyon Arena being in Lyon ? (while it is located in the city of Villeurbanne)
Don't you consider the future Arena 92 being in Paris ? (while it is located in the city of Nanterre)
Don't you consider St-Symphorien Stadium being in Metz ? (while it is located in the city of Longeville-Lès-Metz)
Don't you consider Armand-Cesari Stadium being in Bastia ? (while it is located in the city of Furiani)
Don't you consider Marcel-Picot Stadium being in Nancy ? (while it is located in the city of Tomblaine)


etc etc etc ;)

No, not really.

BTW, what about Lille stadium, Nancy stadium, Metz stadium, la Défense etc etc etc etc ? What "people" say regarding these examples, according to you ? ;)
So now now we should decide based on what people say? Facts are facts. If the other stadia-places are in other cities (but mostly small towns, really), their locations should be corrected for the proper ones.

Facts are facts. If the other stadia-places are in other cities (but mostly small towns, really), their locations should be corrected for the proper ones.

OK, then why only this thread and not the Lille Villeneuve d'Ascq, Lyon Décines etc ones ?
That also was my point, even if IMHO it's a bit silly because we should stick to the urban area names in order to be more simple/understandable. (especially since this is only a forum here, not a statistics institute or whatever)
Add to this the fact that in France, cities borders (for most of them) are irrelevant in terms of urban area, population etc because administratively most of French cities have never annexed their suburbs, not even the bordering ones.

Saying that this stadium is not in Paris (while it is located in the Paris urban area) is like saying that Paris is a city of 2 million people (which wouldn't be very relevant), while everyone knows that Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city.

So, maybe we could write in the thread title something like "Paris (Évry/Ris-Orangis) ----------" or "Paris/Évry -----------" etc, like for example I always did in my presentation posts in other threads :


Paris (St-Denis)

Stade de France (81,338 ￨ built ￨ renovations from now to 2016 ￨ cost: €100M, 100% private)



Final Round: (Semi Finals, Bronze Match & Final)

Paris/Nanterre-La Défense 25,000 ("Arena 92"), New

So, maybe we could write in the thread title something like "Paris (Évry/Ris-Orangis) ----------" or "Paris/Évry -----------" etc, like for example I always did in my presentation posts in other threads :
I'd say this sounds very sensible. Now the mods should think of it.

Why to put Paris?

Because when you read Ris Orangis- Stadium blabla you dont even know in which country the stadium is.

Why to put Paris?

Because when you read Ris Orangis- Stadium blabla you dont even know in which country the stadium is.

One click and you know it. If you're too lazy, its not really anything to boast about...

-If this project exist it is due to the city of paris and not ris orangis or Evry!

The same for Lyon, Lille etc...
Then This thread should be called " Paris-ris orangis stadium"

-The fact that orly lost this bid means that the field dedicated to build a stadium is available? then... a great club of football in paris should reconsider this opportunity rather refurbish this antiquity called "le parc des princes" :)
Yes why not build this new stadium there now? I don't really believe that QSI continue to lose money by playing in parc des princes 10 years more. to pay such a team doesn't allow few matchday incomes like it's the case for the moment.

How many suites hotels + vip seats can you build with a whole new thing rather than this non extensible parc des princes stadium?

Hi everyone! I'm new on this forum and I follow this project since the beginning.

So here the news: the winners of the architectural contest will be known the 19th december, with the first visual renderings of the winner project.
A new website about this one (with a countdown): http://grandstaderugby.fr/attente/

We already know that, it's gonna be a very big stadium according to Pierre Camou (president of the french federation od rugby)
source: http://www.leparisien.fr/evry-91000/la-future-enceinte-sera-une-citadelle-10-12-2012-2394777.php

Quick translation: Pierre Camou promises "a citadel" (talking about the stadium) "It will be huge and unavoidable in the landscape, with a structure about 60 meters high (196.86 ft)" says the mayor of Ris-Orangis. After the choice, a huge international consultation will be immediatly launched by the local communities about developing the 100 hectares (247.10 acres) around the stadium.
" We want the elite of the best global firms for this new neighborhood".
The specialists (urbanists) will have two month to make themselves known. Three finalists will be selected. During a year they will be in competition before the announcement of the winner (end of 2013). Meanwhile (mid-february) the project of the stadium will have a great stall at the International Real Estate Market in Cannes, to make itself known by the investors.
The residents of agglomeration aren't forgotten. A public debate (about transports, developing and environment) will be launched at spring.

The delivery is still planned to 2017 and here is the list of the groups of architects in competition till the 19th december:

-« Arte Charpentier » and « HKS »
references:
Cowboy Stadium - Dallas -70 000 seats
Lucas Oil Stadium - Indianapolis – 63 000 seats

-« Foster and Partners » and « CR Architecture »
references:
Wembley Stadium - London – 90 000 seats
Stade de France - Saint-Denis– 80 000 seats

- « Populous » and « Atelier 2/3/4 »
references:
Millennium Stadium - Cardiff – 70 000 seats
Arizona Cardinals Stadium - Phoenix – 64 000 seats

thank you! i can't wait to see this marvel!

It will be a retractable roof.

i hope that it will exist really and only in renders

Finally the winner project will be unveiled in a few weeks (early 2013). Indeed, the reason is that "the projects submitted present some very high qualities, but also technical and very complex. An extension of the phase of clarification with architects is necessary to do the best choice." But they promise "it will not affect the overall project schedule".

source:http://grandstaderugby.fr/actualites/le-grand-stade-devoile-debut-2013/

band of bast**** :bash:

Friday will be unveiled the winner project :cheers:

And winner is POPULOUS :
http://www.liverugby.fr/video/streaming-gratuit-144/FFR-Grand-Stade-Rugby

retractable roof,
lawn removable,
minimum 80 000 seating

Here some pics (http://grandstaderugby.fr/le-stade/le-stade-en-images/)

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-exterieur-a-l-hauteur-d-un-homme.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_coursive-basse.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-exterieure-du-parvis-en-mode-avant-evenement.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_image-axonometrique-eclate.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-exterieur-parvis-nord-est.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-salon-vip.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-interieure-au-niveau-du-terrain.jpg

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/gallery/grand-stade-rugby/stadeffr_vue-exterieure-de-laire-de-jeu.jpg

I really like the interior: elegant and impressive. The exterior is special but I'm not shocked and I don't find that ugly, I mean at least this stadium will have a strong identity and it will be recognizable among a thousand.

i like it(except the boring facade) :cheers:

xxd6pg

Exterior is certainly different. The placement of the video screens is so MetLife Stadium, whilst the rest of the interior bowl has an NFL stadium look about it. Would like to see the losing designs, though.

4 Video Board ^^
same size as those of the Stade De France?

A la united states :lol:
don't know their size but i don't like those boards.

More renders from video:

http://nsa32.casimages.com/img/2013/02/08/130208025259178168.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=130208025259178168.jpg)

http://nsa32.casimages.com/img/2013/02/08/130208025326778794.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=130208025326778794.jpg)

http://nsa31.casimages.com/img/2013/02/08/130208025357771365.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=130208025357771365.jpg)

http://nsa32.casimages.com/img/2013/02/08/130208025427299742.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=130208025427299742.jpg)

I had great expectations about this stadium but at the end of the day, I'm extremely disappointed as I don't like the exterior at all, I think it looks awful...essai raté.:ohno:

the interior(concourses,commodities) is already superior to ALL we have in France

The placement of the video screens is so MetLife Stadium

Indeed!

whilst the rest of the interior bowl has an NFL stadium look about it.

Indeed! But there was no secret about that since the FFR never stopped to claim that they wanted a American/NFL-like stadium.

Video board :)

Met Life Stadium:
http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/article_large/public/2012/10/22/metlife.jpg

Ris-Orangis:
http://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/16/12/51/57/stadef10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=73&u=16125157)

Why this thread isn't called 'PARIS-RIS ORANGIS national stadium' ?

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20130208_182347_rugbyelusetffr.bisok.jpg

http://www.batiactu.com/images/normal/20130208_182249_rugbydeux.ok.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-extérieure-à-hauteur-dhomme.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-exterieure-de-laire-de-jeu.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Image-axonometrique-eclate.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-exterieure-du-parvis-en-mode-avant-évenement.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-Salon-VIP.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Coursive-Basse.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-intérieure-au-niveau-du-terrain.jpg

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Vue-extérieure-du-Parvis-Nord-Est.jpg

By the definitive approval, can the facade's materials possibly change...? In other terms, can the exterior design undergo some changes?

http://www.urbanews.fr/2013/02/08/29219-la-ffr-choisit-populous-et-ateliers-234-pour-la-conception-de-son-grand-stade/#

Kind of curious as to what they are smoking and where can I get some.....

HKS

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4992/captureqiw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/captureqiw.jpg/)

HKS one reminds me of Wembley a lil bit

I really like the stadium. The exterior looks like a museum of modern art and the interior reminds me of an excellent NFL stadium. The retractable grass surface was a great idea as well.

HKS one reminds me of Wembley a lil bit

And Cowboys Stadium? :)

HKS

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4992/captureqiw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/captureqiw.jpg/)
Trop classique à mon avis!

Why don´t they use french architects?

It was an international bid

Why don´t they use french architects?

They do ! ;)

Each foreign architecture firm was grouped with a French architecture firm in this competition (like it happens quite often over here for such big projects & international architecture competitions), so the 3 finalist groups for this stadium (out of the 21 bidding files submitted), were:


Arte Charpentier Architectes (an international architecture firm headquartered/founded in Paris) & HKS
(Both firms have established a partnership since 2003, and have already worked together on several other projects)

Costantini-Regemba Architecture (one of the two French firms who designed the Stade de France among others, they also have an office in Asia btw) & Foster + Partners

Ateliers 2/3/4 (a recently created French firm from three different offices and based in Paris) & Populous
(Populous is quite accustomed since a few years to work with the Ateliers 2/3/4 for their projects located in Paris)


Not to mention that those groups include also French engineering companies, etc.

HKS one reminds me of Wembley a lil bit

Definately!

Is the populous one only a bid atm? Or is that definately the final design?

They do ! ;)

Each foreign architecture firm was grouped with a French architecture firm in this competition (like it happens quite often over here for such big projects & international architecture competitions), so the 3 finalist groups for this stadium (out of the 21 bidding files submitted), were:


Arte Charpentier Architectes (an international architecture firm headquartered/founded in Paris) & HKS
(Both firms have established a partnership since 2003, and have already worked together on several other projects)

Costantini-Regemba Architecture (one of the two French firms who designed the Stade de France among others, they also have an office in Asia btw) & Foster + Partners

Ateliers 2/3/4 (a recently created French firm from three different offices and based in Paris) & Populous
(Populous is quite accustomed since a few years to work with the Ateliers 2/3/4 for their projects located in Paris)


Not to mention that those groups include also French engineering companies, etc.

Thanks for the info, didn´t know that. The stadium looks like to be high tech marvel maybe the exterior is a bit of a let down.

Definately!

Is the populous one only a bid atm? Or is that definately the final design?

That's the winning design picked by French Rugby. I think it's clearly the best one. The HKS one was boring as hell.

What's going on in the upper corners? Is it an open concourse of some sort?

excelent!!
modern and beautiful

How about skipping that awful modernist/brutalist facade?

What's going on in the upper corners? Is it an open concourse of some sort?

Indeed, apparently!
BTW, I don't know if you noticed that all the entrances/gates of the upper tier are quite big (not to mention that there's no entrances/gates in the other tiers), which is not surprising since the FFR asked specifically that they didn't want any vomitory in the stadium in order to permit the fans to see the action directly from the concourses, bars, beverage kiosks etc if they wanted.

The stadium is nicknamed 'the Fortress' by some media, I think that suits it perfectly...

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/6268/populousateliers234pari.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/6268/populousateliers234pari.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/6268/populousateliers234pari.jpg

Wish I could find Foster's rejected design.

I like this design. Very classy and, at same time, radically daring façades.

Saint-Denis (Stade de France) = Wembley
Ris-Orangis (New Rugby Stadium) = Twickenham

Yep, it's a white elephant named Stade Robert Bobin (18-20K), built in the mid-90s for the Francophonie Games (and located in the city of Bondoufle, but also known as the stadium of Evry :D):

http://imageshack.us/a/img651/4268/capturedcran20120702220.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img209/1316/stadebobin07.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img256/5476/bondoufle43500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img822/174/bondoufle33500x375.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img220/8176/bondoufle1500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img685/7818/staderobertbobindebondo.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/9855/bondoufle31500x375.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img837/8442/bondoufle25500x375.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5828/capturedcran20120702221.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img266/4679/capturedcran20120702222.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img191/2696/evrymaket.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img521/5828/capturedcran20120702221.jpg

I only see this stadium full during a PSG-Juve friendly game in a summer in 2000 years.

Saint-Denis (Stade de France) = Wembley
Ris-Orangis (New Rugby Stadium) = Twickenham

Twickenham is a better analogue for Ris-Orangis than Wembley is for the Stade de France though.

^^ To be fair, in terms of location, both Wembley & Twickenham are just like Ris-Orwhatever anyway. ;)

first images of Foster's project (non-selected) unveiled:

http://grandstaderugby.fr/actualites/3-mars-2013-architectes-les-projets-non-retenus-12/

I definitely prefer the Populous project!!! good choice from FFR :cheers:

Disappointed with Foster's one, especially the exterior. Interior isn't much different to the Populous design, which has again been inspired by MetLife Stadium. Interesting to see if the HKS interior was also like MetLife.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1449/2065fp467015indesign.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/2065fp467015indesign.jpg/)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/2747/08afirstlevelboxeslowre.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/08afirstlevelboxeslowre.jpg/)

^^ I agree with you...:(

http://grandstaderugby.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/11C-branding.jpg

Actually, as time goes by (& given the other 2 proposals), I'm warming to the winning project...I now think that the most original one was chosen & with some good building materials, the final product may look really nice to be honest...

Foster didn't want france to become strong vs England and the soon outdated twickenham :lol:
Then he designed the worst project.

No naming rights deal means no stadium, right?

Another exterior image of the HKS design:

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/8556/ffrn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/ffrn.jpg/)

In that render you can just make out the curves of the upper tier, so maybe the interior of the HKS design was a bigger version of the Emirates Stadium interior.

after looking at the 2 designs that didnt win gotta say the winning design is growing on me, it just looks french and thats great it means its not going to look look loads of other stadiums in the world, i love the outside too very elegant with all the trees and the gardens etc are those bridges going over a river cause then it would look even more elegant. Just gotta hope the RFU bucks its ideas up and gets Twickenham upto the the 90k mark :)

http://www.urbanews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Grand-Stade-de-la-FFR-Image-axonometrique-eclate.jpg

^^ Jealous...JealousHarry, you are! :D



Non mais ! :colbert:

not really i wouldnt change Twickenham for anything ok it looks bit outdated on the outside (south stand excluded) but it more of the atmosphere inside the place, and the matches it has held , philipe saint andre try for example what a bit of genius, and i cant forgot the french comeback against new zealand in RWC 99. But on a purely looks basis your ground will win hands down :), its amazing but i do think its an important step getting your own home and in 50 years we will be talking about special games and glorious tries and thumping tackles that happened here too :)

i couldn't help but notice in the pics it shows a hypothetical world cup final in 2023 between you and the all blacks :) ha ha bit optimistic as you had the world cup in 2007 but im sure it was just to illustrate what it will look like inside

Vids showing the two rejected designs:

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xxzpes_grand-stade-les-projets-non-retenus-2-2_sport

i couldn't help but notice in the pics it shows a hypothetical world cup final in 2023 between you and the all blacks :) ha ha bit optimistic as you had the world cup in 2007 but im sure it was just to illustrate what it will look like inside

In fact; I've read somewhere (sorry I can't find the article anymore) the FFR is indeed really planning to bid for the 2023 WC...They were saying they could delay a bit the stadium project (originally planned for 2017) if they can't find the funds right now, but definitely want it to be ready before 2023 in that purpose...and there are some chances WC will come to Europe again after going to Japan in 2019 (although i'd like to see it go to Argentina!) :)

What's wrong with the Stade de France?
Isn't the stadium good enough for Rugby?

I don't find any reason they should build a new stadium (maybe I'm wrong, so help me with arguments).

What's wrong with the Stade de France?
Isn't the stadium good enough for Rugby?

I don't find any reason they should build a new stadium (maybe I'm wrong, so help me with arguments).

The simple answer is money. French Rugby don't own Stade de France and get charged exorbitant rent to play there and have more than enough of a fan base and money to pay for a stadium on their own where they control all of the revenue.

Also, football + rugby on the same stadium will always mean bad pitches. Same problem for Toulouse, Montpellier, Bordeaux...

All big rugby nations have national football and rugby grounds.England has Wembley and Twickenham.If you play both sports on the same pitch it will get destroyed easily and often.Also Stade de France is quite often used,it would relieve the pressure on its pitch .

All big rugby nations have national football and rugby grounds

Not Ireland (Aviva), not Wales (Millennium). Both are shared with the national football team.

In the southern hemisphere they rotate venues, and football is mostly an afterthought there.

So currently it would only be England and Scotland with dedicated homes of rugby.

Italy usually have the Flaminio, but during renovations they're playing at the Olimpico which gets a fair bit of use by football.

All big rugby nations have national football and rugby grounds.England has Wembley and Twickenham.

Correction, two big rugby nations have national soccer and rugby grounds (and two others have a national rugby stadium but let the national soccer team play there too). The rest have to use other facilities.

Correction, two big rugby nations have national soccer and rugby grounds (and two others have a national rugby stadium but let the national soccer team play there too). The rest have to use other facilities.

Italy,France and Scotland have stadiums for both.In all these ppl love both football and rugby pretty much the same.The welsh and irish like the rugby more,so its normal they dont build large stadiums for their football teams.Theyre more rugby nations than football.The french like both so its only normal they have two large stadiums,one for each sport.

The pitch gets destroyed easily on those pitches you mention because they are shit pitches.

The Liberty Stadium in Swansea copes incredibly well with both Swansea City (soccer) and the Ospreys (rugby) playing every weekend.

Maybe Toulouse, Bordeaux and Montpellier should invest in good quality pitches...

Maybe Toulouse, Bordeaux and Montpellier should invest in good quality pitches...

Anyway, the rugby and football teams in those cities don't share their stadiums, since the 3 rugby teams have their own stadiums. Actually, in France, not a single TOP 14 team (and even Pro D2 teams) shares its stadium with the local football team. Only big games or H Cup games are sometimes played in football stadiums since they are generally bigger.


BONUS: Here are the rugby stadiums in Toulouse, Montpellier and Bordeaux:

Location: Toulouse, Midi-Pyrénées
Name: Stade Ernest Wallon
Tenant: Stade Toulousain, Rugby
Capacity: 19,506 seats (30 suites)
Opening: 1982 (last expansion: 2002)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2879/6stadeernestwalloncopie.jpg http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/425/10bstadeernestwallonext.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6417/11bstadeernestwallonext.jpg http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8153/dfsgn.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5435/sgfghd.jpg http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6/gbvc.jpg



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Location: Montpellier, Languedoc-Roussillon
Name: Stade Yves du Manoir
Tenant: Montpellier-Herault RC, Rugby
Capacity: 12,726 all-seater / 15,000 with standing areas (24 suites)
Opening: 2007

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6861/1stadeyvesdumanoircopie.jpg http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7078/10stadeyvesdumanoirextr.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/341/11stadeyvesdumanoirextr.jpg http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3573/31stadeyvesdumanoirintr.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6867/hgjh.jpg http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6855/89299618.jpg



Location: Bordeaux (Bègles), Aquitaine
Name: Stade André Moga
Tenant: Union Bordeaux Bègles, Rugby
Capacity: 5,531 all-seater / 10,700 with standing areas (20 suites)
Opening: 1920 (last expansion: 2012)

(in the near future there are plans to expand this stadium to 18K (all seater) or to move the team to the 35K Stade Chaban-Delmas since the football team will leave it in a few months)

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/3063/capturedcran20130311125.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img171/1375/stadeandremoga.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img402/8922/capturedcran20130311124.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img6/4884/rugbystademogatravaux.jpg

The pitch gets destroyed easily on those pitches you mention because they are shit pitches.

The Liberty Stadium in Swansea copes incredibly well with both Swansea City (soccer) and the Ospreys (rugby) playing every weekend.

Maybe Toulouse, Bordeaux and Montpellier should invest in good quality pitches...

Possible. I've also understood that staff incompetence is suspected in some of these cases.

@pdp: I've not suggested there's systematic groundsharing, just that rugby gets played in those grounds. IMO if you're a first division team (or a national team) of some pretensions, NO rugby whatsoever should be played on your pitch.

Another exterior image of the HKS design:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/ffrn.jpg/

In that render you can just make out the curves of the upper tier, so maybe the interior of the HKS design was a bigger version of the Emirates Stadium interior.

Yes, upper tier wave-shaped:

http://www.info-stades.fr/images/stade/grand-stade-ffr/projet-hks-ffr-2.jpg
http://www.info-stades.fr/fr/article/295/images-video-projet-hks-grand-stade-rugby-non-retenu

That pitch is massive, even for rugby. Looks like you could play two football matches side by side on it.

And still those massive walls between row 1 and the pitch. Common, this is a rugby stadium. Twickenham, Cardiff Arms Park (Millenium) and Eden Park should be an example...

Disappointing.

And still those massive walls between row 1 and the pitch. Common, this is a rugby stadium. Twickenham, Cardiff Arms Park (Millenium) and Eden Park should be an example...

Disappointing.

Those wall prevent drop in capacity on gameday.The 3 feet tall advertising boards would restrict the view of the first few rows.And becaue the stands arent extremely close u cannot have the 1st row starting on field level,because that row,those firts few will have a horrible view.English stadiums arent good as example here,because they have closer stands,usually.

This stadium looks like Emirates,Da Luz on steroids :lol: i really like the massive roof and wave-like stands,tiers.

Will this definately be for rugby only or is there a chance of it holding as champions league final in future?

Will this definately be for rugby only or is there a chance of it holding as champions league final in future?

This stadium has the same chances at holding a CL final as Twickenham hosting:lol:.It is possible but i dont see the reason.

Will this definately be for rugby only or is there a chance of it holding as champions league final in future?
Why should the FFF suggest this stadium to the UEFA to host a Champions League finals when they have no stake in this development? It will host the odd Heineken Cup final. But certainly no football match. There are simply too many state of the art football stadiums in France and greater Paris in particular.

Why should the FFF suggest this stadium to the UEFA to host a Champions League finals when they have no stake in this development? It will host the odd Heineken Cup final. But certainly no football match. There are simply too many state of the art football stadiums in France and greater Paris in particular.

To use the Stade de France the FFF have to rent it from the consortium that runs it like the French rugby union don't they? It isn't council owned like most French stadiums right?
If so then if the rugby union could offer the FFF a reasonable deal then i think that would be a pretty special event, in the capital as well.

Apart from the SDF there's the Parc des princes which seats less than 50,000. So not that many high class and high capacity stadiums in Paris.

This stadium has the same chances at holding a CL final as Twickenham hosting:lol:.It is possible but i dont see the reason.

Very different scenarios.

The FA owns Wembley so they collect all revenue and it's the "home" of English football. The FFF on the other hand doesn't own the SDF, PDP or any stadium in France for that matter.

For your information the English rugby union offered to host English football when Wembley was being rebuilt but the local council where the stadium is located blocked it from happening.

^^ Yes the scenariosu maybe different,but the chances of hosting the big CL final are the same.But this new stadium has lots of suites,and we all know how greedy UEFA are...