URGENT!!!

Dr. Hawa Abdi’s camp is under siege from al Qaeda–backed militants, who snatched 700 kids on a recent raid. (http://www.dhaf.org/news/)

^^ Guys we all need to mobilize, something needs to be done, these Al Shabab bastards are kidnapping kids from Dr. Hawa's camp :bash:

smh I agree that we need to annihilate these bitches.

Is this old news? No one else has reported it. Besides, isn't the capital supposed to be free'd from these assholes?

No actually I think it's recent, more reports will come in coming days probably.

URGENT!!!

Dr. Hawa Abdi’s camp is under siege from al Qaeda–backed militants, who snatched 700 kids on a recent raid. (http://www.dhaf.org/news/)

^^ Guys we all need to mobilize, something needs to be done, these Al Shabab bastards are kidnapping kids from Dr. Hawa's camp :bash:

That's disgusting.

I thought the TFG were ganna start negotiations with Al'Shabaab?

URGENT!!!

Dr. Hawa Abdi’s camp is under siege from al Qaeda–backed militants, who snatched 700 kids on a recent raid. (http://www.dhaf.org/news/)

^^ Guys we all need to mobilize, something needs to be done, these Al Shabab bastards are kidnapping kids from Dr. Hawa's camp :bash:

I looked alot of Somali run websites and I don't see this story.

The Associated Press
Saturday, March 03, 2012

Police say a man driving a car laden with explosives blew himself up in Somalia's capital.

Policemen Nur Hassan at the scene said Saturday it appeared the man detonated his explosives prematurely. He died on the scene. No one else was wounded or killed.

Mogadishu has long been a battleground during Somalia's 21-year-old civil war.

The al-Qaida-linked al-Shabab group withdrew from most of its bases in August and recent pushes by African Union and Somali troops have helped bring partial security to more of the city.

But insurgents in disguise can still move freely and assassinations, suicide attacks and bombings are still very frequent.

Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991.

The Associated Press
Saturday, March 03, 2012


While tens of thousands of its citizens were dying from famine, the U.N.-backed Somali government spent only $1 million on social services despite having $58 million in revenue, according to a report by a former Somali government official.

The whistleblowing report shines a light on chaotic and secretive financial dealings and says the Somali government did not explain how the $58 million it recorded receiving last year was actually spent.

Somali government officials disputed the report. It was written by Abdirazak Fartaag, the former head of the Public Finance Management Unit, a Somali government body charged with overseeing the country's financial management.

"The government is very committed in terms of fighting corruption," said government spokesman Abdirahman Omar Osman. "That report does not reflect the reality on the ground and it lacks credibility and data."

Just over $2.6 million was budgeted for social services, according to the report.

Fartaag was fired around the time he wrote another report saying tens of millions of dollars was missing from government coffers. Improved accounting of the money that comes in and out of the government is vital to solving Somalia's 21-year-old civil war, analysts say. As long as warlords and corrupt officials are able to benefit from the chaos, they have little incentive to end it.

At a conference attended by world leaders in London last week, donors and Somali officials agreed to set up a joint board to manage Somalia's finances.

The failure to keep track of Somalia's cash has been deadly. Politicians fight for control of the cash but little of it reaches the needy. A promise to end corruption was a key recruiting tool for the Islamist insurgency fighting against the government.

The fighting was a key cause of last year's famine, which killed between 50,000 to 100,000 people, according to the British government. A refusal by insurgents to allow many aid groups access to distribute food also played a major part. The U.N. is appealing for $1.5 billion this year to aid Somalia.

"Somalia needs a solid framework that improves transparency," said Comfort Ero, the Africa program director for think tank International Crisis Group. "(The government) hasn't provided basic services."

The report has not been publicly released but was presented to Somali legislators last month. After being contacted by The Associated Press for reaction last Thursday, the government denied the report and promised documents to prove it. The AP waited for one week but the government did not respond to repeated requests for the documents.

The report was based on banking records, the government budget and other financial documents. Some were seen by the AP.

Last year the government raised about $58 million, according to the report. About $20 million was raised in domestic revenue, the report said. An additional $3.7 million was seized at the airport as part of a confiscated pirate ransom. A deposit slip indicates it was deposited in the Central Bank but no such entry shows up in the bank's records. The government also received at least $34 million in cash donations from mainly Arab nations, said Fartaag.

About $41 million was withdrawn in cash by individual politicians, militia leaders and other leading Somalis who gave no identification other than their names. Most of the rest of the money was also taken in cash, by individuals who provided the Central Bank of Somalia with their name and the ministry they worked for. An additional $1.2 million in cash went to hotels, phone companies and airlines in Mogadishu, according to the report.

But during the whole year, only about $1 million was recorded as being spent on social services, the report said. It was unclear how the money was spent, as it was part of the $41 million withdrawn in cash. Some of the cash withdrawn is believed to have been spent on government salaries but it is unclear how much. The government did not respond to requests for records.

During that time, Somali children were dying in the streets and starving families were flooding into the ruined seaside capital, fleeing the drought and war consuming their villages. In September, the U.N. said 100 children were dying every day. The government spent $165,000 on "disaster preparedness" during the famine, according to the report.

"Everything is done on a cash basis and no one has to account for it," said Fartaag. "Nothing is functioning, everything is a briefcase institution ... That's why they can't provide services like water, hospitals or schools."

The British government wants to address Somalia's tangled finances by establishing a board made up of mixed Somalis and foreigners to oversee the failed state's finances. A Somali and a foreigner would have to sign off on each withdrawal. It is also encouraging nations who make payments to the Somali government to publish the figures.

"The findings of the Fartaag audit are unconfirmed, but the joint financial management board is intended to tackle exactly the types of corruption and mismanagement that it raises," said Matt Baugh, Britain's ambassador to Somalia. "The (board) will also reduce any risk of corruption in the assistance provided to Somalia by international partners, and improve the accountability and transparency of that aid."

Better management could make a huge difference. Fartaag says the government could easily earn itself $179 million dollars a year, mainly by collecting a 3 percent tax on telecommunication companies, and by taxing remittances, the sale of the narcotic leaf qat and by properly collecting revenues from the main port in Mogadishu.

Despite the circumstances described in the report, Somalia's government has made some small improvements. Some civil servants were paid last year, although many did not receive their salaries in the last months. Government revenues are up from 2010, and more foreign donations are also being declared.

The government is also currently debating a bill which would impose a yet unspecified tax on telecoms companies. Fartaag estimates their revenue at about $540 million annually.

:ohno::ohno::ohno:

When I read something like this, I say no to oil.

Somali residents welcome Ethiopian troops after rebel routBAIDOA, Somalia, March 4 (Reuters) - After three years of killings and violence under the rule of al Shabaab rebels, residents of the Somali city of Baidoa said they were happy to see the arrival of Ethiopian soldiers, whose presence they once resented.

Under al Shabaab's control, Baidoa's leaders say the city's people became poorer, conditions worsened and many were forced to flee. The return of Ethiopian troops, once seen as Christian invaders in a Muslim country, was a welcome relief. :lol:

Ethiopian and Somali troops seized the city from al Shabaab insurgents last month, in a major blow to the militants battling Somalia's weak interim government.

Somalia has been in turmoil since warlords toppled dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991. Fighting has killed more than 21,000 people since al Shabaab launched its insurgency in 2007.

"Al Shabaab colonised us for three years and 12 days. Many of us were killed, many of us were displaced and many have migrated. So we are the survivors," Mohammed Ma'alim Barhi, a clan leader, told reporters in the city 250 km northwest of Mogadishu.

"They (Ethiopian troops) have entered here three times before. Now we like them, we support them and we are with them."

Al Shabaab, which announced in February that it was merging with al Qaeda, imposed a harsh interpretation of Islamic sharia law. In areas under its control, music, movies and soccer were banned and people were beheaded or had limbs amputated as punishments.

"Before, there was a strong propaganda against the Ethiopians but these three years there are many things the people saw. There was over-taxation, they are killing people," Abdifatah Mohamed Gesey, governor for Bay region, said of the insurgents.

"After we arrived here we held discussions with the elders, business people and the women's associations. They have asked us to liberate nearby towns just as we liberated Baidoa."

Gesey, who fled after al Shabaab took over the region, said people were now returning to the city to reopen businesses.


'ALMOST GAME OVER'

Ethiopian and Somali troops said they were welcomed by residents who volunteered to show them where al Shabaab fighters were hiding, and found abandoned ordnance everywhere, from government offices to mosques, police stations to main roads.

"The enemy forces were disoriented and disintegrated. They were incapable," said General Yohannes Gebre-Giorgis, Commander of the Ethiopian Forces in Somalia.

"The people have now deserted them. So there is no way they can survive here. It is almost game over for al Shabaab."

Baidoa residents said their most immediate priority was meeting basic needs like food. "We need international help. Our people are very angry. Our people are hungry and we don't have medicine," Barhi said.

Baidoa Palace, a bullet-riddled building once the main seat of Somalia's interim government until 2009, is now a command centre for Ethiopian troops. Its windows have been shattered by gunfire and graffiti scrawled on its walls. The rest of the town is dotted with abandoned houses and destroyed shops.

Ethiopia's military presence in Somalia between late 2006 and early 2009, when it routed another Islamist administration from power, provoked massive resentment among Somalis and galvanized support for the militant Islamists.

Ethiopia sent troops across the border again in November to open up a third front against the militants, who are also fighting 9,000 Ugandan and Burundian troops under the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) and Kenyan forces.

Last week, the U.N. Security Council voted to expand AMISOM, which supports the shaky Western-backed government, to nearly 18,000 soldiers, and will include Kenyan troops.

African political and military leaders will meet in Ethiopia next week to iron out the details of how the expanded force will operate, Kenyan army colonel Cyrus Oguna told reporters in Nairobi.http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/04/somalia-conflict-ethiopia-idUSL5E8E301C20120304

Somalia conflict: Visiting al-Shabab fallen stronghold

The Ethiopian army - along with Somali pro-government troops - has recently captured the key al-Shabab stronghold of Baidoa.

The BBC's East Africa correspondent Will Ross was one of the first journalists to visit the town since its seizure from the Islamist militants.

The dark red berets of the Ethiopian army are back in Baidoa.

At the airstrip, there was plenty of military might on display: hulking tanks, heavy artillery and dozens of alert troops.

We are told Somali pro-government soldiers were backed by the Ethiopians as they seized the town from al-Shabab but it is clear who is the dominant partner in this relationship.

Inside Baidoa's presidential palace there are signs of the just departed Islamist militants. The walls of this battered, squalid building are covered in jihadist graffiti - mostly images of guns apparently drawn by very young al-Shabab recruits.

"They preach to them, so these kids think only about jihad," says Ethiopian army Capt Mahammud Yissak.

Signs of the departed militants are seen everywhere in Baidoa

"We saw very small guys between eight and 12. They had been in the al-Shabab training camps. They ran away and we welcomed them. Some of them were used as couriers to plant explosives."

'Colonised'

On display in the compound were the ingredients of the brand of terror preferred by al-Shabab these days: detonators, batteries and switches for bombs or mines that can be set off by remote control.

Nearby were several technicals (the four-wheel drive vehicles with machine guns mounted on the back) that had been captured from or abandoned by al-Shabab.

The militants put up little resistance when the tanks and troops closed in on the town but since then al-Shabab has promised blood in Baidoa.

It is extraordinary to think that just over three years ago Somalis were cheering on the streets as the Ethiopian army made its very public withdrawal from the country.

That incursion ousted the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), which controlled much of the country.

But the Ethiopian presence became so unpopular - partly as a result of the shelling of civilian areas of Mogadishu - that it then helped trigger the rise of the more radical al-Shabab.

"Never again" was Ethiopia's view on another major military incursion in Somalia, but - with al-Shabab threatening the stability of the entire region - it felt forced to act.

On an embedded visit with the Ethiopian army, it was always going to be hard to gauge the sentiments of Baidoa's residents.

In front of Ethiopian soldiers a group of elders stroked their henna dyed beards as they spoke to the media.

"We welcome our brothers from Ethiopia. We work with them. We've had many meetings with Ethiopian commanders to help stabilise this place," says Moalimu Ali.

"Al-Shabab colonised us for three years and 12 days. So many of us were killed or displaced. They forced our youth to join them. We are telling them to leave al-Shabab."

Hearts and minds battle

Al-Shabab's extremist views and its appalling handling of the recent famine make it widely unpopular amongst Somalia's population.

This certainly dilutes any hostility there might be to Ethiopia's current intervention.

Al-Shabab has warned local residents not to co-operate with the new authorities

It was a very different situation in 2006 when the ICU had brought a degree of peace to this troubled nation and had considerable support.

Ethiopia's military action back then was strongly backed by the US that feared the rise of the Islamists - a position Washington might regret now in view of what has happened since.

But is there a danger of Ethiopia getting bogged down in this complicated conflict and once again being portrayed as an unwanted foreign force?

"I don't think so - we don't want to stay long," says Capt Yissak.

"We want to stabilise Somalia. After the country has settled we'll leave. People are asking us to stay for a long time. Our government says stay until peace comes, then we go back.

"We are training the government police and military, and after they've become strong we will leave."

But there are signs that Ethiopia may find it hard to win over all the hearts and minds.

Al-Shabab has warned businesses not to co-operate with the new men in charge, and many shops have remained closed.

This is partly because people feel the battle for Baidoa may not be over. It is not clear how long the Ethiopians will stay, so there is a fear that al-Shabab could return and carry out retribution.

Fighting, not talking

Muhammad Ibrahim Habsade hopes to establish a self-governing state

In February 2006, Somalia's Transitional Federal Government (TFG) set up home in Baidoa as Mogadishu was too dangerous.

The country's third-largest city then fell into the hands of al-Shabab in January 2009 - straight after the Ethiopians had withdrawn.

One man who is glad to be back home is Muhammad Ibrahim Habsade, a former minister in the TFG and a local MP.

"I was the last out of Baidoa when the government left and I was the first one to return. I am happy to be back… but many things are destroyed. It's like Baidoa was hit by an earthquake - al-Qaeda is like an earthquake," he says.

"People are requesting the Ethiopian troops to stay for a long time. People have become free in the last 10 days. Now they need a lot of humanitarian support," Mr Habsade adds.

He is amongst the politicians of the Bay and Bakol region hoping to establish a self-governing state under a federal government.

But would al-Shabab fighters, like the senior commander Sheikh Mukhtar Robow who is from Baidoa, be welcome to join that administration?

"Not only Robow. All of them would be welcome if they leave the terrorists, changed their way of thinking and came to live peacefully."

Before dismissing the idea of an al-Shabab commander rising to help run a legitimate administration, it is worth remembering what became of the head of the ICU after the group was swept from power by Ethiopian troops. Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed is now Somalia's president.

For now though al-Shabab appears to be more focused on fighting than talking.

Just hours before I flew into Somalia, al-Shabab fought for hours in an effort to capture Garbaharey, 150km (95 miles) to the west of Baidoa.

Then hours after I had left Somalia there was an explosion in Baidoa, and the authorities rounded up dozens of men on suspicion of al-Shabab links.

The militants are weakened but they are not finished.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17254299



What is Somali media saying about the situation in Baidoa?

Sometimes the lesser evil can be tolerated if it means getting rid of the greater evil.

Report: Somali gov't spent only $1 million on social services last year, recieved $58 million

Not surprised, the TFG is perhaps the most corrupt "government" in the entire world. This is why I wasn't jumping for joy when I read about all the millions that other nations pledged to Somalia during the height of the famine. I knew the money would never reach the people that needed it most.

When I read something like this, I say no to oil.

The TFG is made up of opportunists with no long-term vision, the oil is in Puntland, which has a far more competent leadership and set up for the long-term. Apples and oranges. Most of the TFG parliament cannot read or write, you can't be surprised by this move. When you have 500-something parliamentarians, you've got a lot of mouths to feed.

Most of the TFG parliament cannot read or write, you can't be surprised by this move.

So you are saying that their corruption is due to their lack of education? :lol:

Education or not, they know what they are doing and they know that they can get away with it.

So you are saying that their corruption is due to their lack of education? :lol:

Education or not, they know what they are doing and they know that they can get away with it.

No, I'm citing that their illiteracy accounts for the lack of mismanagement of money. If the people who are given the money don't know how to manage it, they have no idea what to do with it other than pocket it. Put in people who are a bit more educated and they will be inclined to do more public good with the money.

Compare Sheikh Sharif and Sharif Hassan (both barely educated) to their more educated counterparts in recent years (Farmaajo and Abdiweli) who have moved the country in a much better direction during their tenures. I can say for sure that Somalia's revival over the next decade will be due to Abdiweli's facilitation. The entire London Conference was credited to him, and although little changed politically, he facilitated and sanctioned a lot of financial exchange to happen - and that is most important.

Isn't it rumoured that Abdiweli will become the next prez of Puntland? He seems like a good candidate for it.

Isn't it rumoured that Abdiweli will become the next prez of Puntland? He seems like a good candidate for it.

Likely, but in that scenario Puntland's current leader would have to vacate--and he's not going anywhere but towards Mogadishu. I've heard other rumors that things will stay in place for the most part except an overhaul of parliament.

Abdiweli is extremely sharp, I think Somalia needs him a lot more than Puntland. He's an economist, and the international press is calling him the 'CEO of Somalia' - his only interest is to facilitate economic exchange for Somalia and thus far I've heard good things for the country's future. I've always said that Somalia needs this kind of person more than military men and spiritual men or pseudo-patriots.

I still remember what he said to the Guardian recently, something like "We will do anything to facilitate development, and if that means trading our resources with all parties then so be it." He was incredibly blunt about the resource exploitation initiative that was behind the conference.

Abdiweli is extremely sharp, I think Somalia needs him a lot more than Puntland. He's an economist, and the international press is calling him the 'CEO of Somalia' - his only interest is to facilitate economic exchange for Somalia and thus far I've heard good things for the country's future. I've always said that Somalia needs this kind of person more than military men and spiritual men or pseudo-patriots.

Agreed.

Who the hell is this Mahiga guy? Can some please update me with his status and his beef with TFG and Farmaajo?

That's nonsense! Corruption can equally come from both the educated and the non educated ones. To say the educated ministers don't steal is far from the truth. We know most of the ministers in the current government was selected by prime minister Abdiwali based on their education. And to say Puntland region which is a pure clan state has no corruption compare to the more mixed capital city of Mogadishu is laughable. Corruption wether we like or not is everywhere in the world and will continue to exist as long as humans exist. That does not mean we should tolerate it. We should expose it and fight it.

While tens of thousands of its citizens were dying from famine, the U.N.-backed Somali government spent only $1 million on social services despite having $58 million in revenue, according to a report by a former Somali government official.
This is a revenue money not a donation money. It is mainly from the port and the airport. The only two sources of income for the current government. The whistle blower was fired from his position and he might have a reason to talk now. Althought I'm very suspicious about his intentions and the western medias extensive coverage of this issue, I don't deny there is a huge corruption from everyone wether they are religious, educated and non educated officials in the country.

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That's nonsense! Corruption can equally come from both the educated and the non educated ones. To say the educated ministers don't steal is far from the truth. We know most of the ministers in the current government was selected by prime minister Abdiwali based on their education. And to say Puntland region which is a pure clan state has no corruption compare to the more mixed capital city of Mogadishu is laughable. Corruption wether we like or not is everywhere in the world and will continue to exist as long as humans exist. That does not mean we should tolerate it. We should expose it and fight it.


This is a revenue money not a donation money. It is mainly from the port and the airport. The only two sources of income for the current government. The whistle blower was fired from his position and he might have a reason to talk now. Althought I'm very suspicious about his intentions and the western medias extensive coverage of this issue, I don't deny there is a huge corruption from everyone wether they are religious, educated and non educated officials in the country.

+2012

Some article said that Abdullahi Yusuf died. I wonder if this is true??

http://halbeegnews.net/?p=11332

Some article said that Abdullahi Yusuf died. I wonder if this is true??

http://halbeegnews.net/?p=11332

The story is a fake, becuase the article you posted is apologizing to its readers about the death of "mr Afbiijo" a.k.a cadowga Somaliya ninka jacel.:)

^^ Okay...someone showed it to me on Facebook LOL.

So I guess this minister got punked! --> https://twitter.com/#!/MinisterHashi

^^ Okay...someone showed it to me on Facebook LOL.

So I guess this minister got punked! --> https://twitter.com/#!/MinisterHashi

That article was wrong, but it looks like the story is true.

Somali websites are reporting it now that he is dead.

23/03/2012



Abu Dabai, March 23, 2012: (Mareeg.com): Madaxweynihii hore ee dowladda KMG Soomaaliya Col. C/llaahi Yusuf Axmed ayaa salaaddii subax wax yar ka hor ku geeriyooday Isbitaalka Sheekh Zaayid ee ku yaalla magaalada Abu Dabai ee dalka Imaaraadka Carabta kadib muddo uu halkaas ku xanuunsanayay.


Aamino Yuusuf Shire oo ka mid ah ehellada madaxweyne C/llahi Yusuf ayaa sheegtay in maalmahan xaaladdiisa caafimaad ay kasoo reyneysay, oo mararka qaar isbitaalka laga saaray marna lagu soo celinayay, hase ahaatee mar dambe xaalkiisu adkaaday oo uu galay xaalad maqnaasho ama koomo ah, isagoo ka sheeganayay xanuun dhanka sambabka iyo kilyaha ah, taasoo keentay inuu xalay geeriyoodo.


Waxaa uu Col. C/llahi Yuusuf ifka uga tagay hal xaas, iyo afar ilma ah oo kala ah labo gabdhood iyo labo wiil, ilaa haddana lama shaacin halka lagu aasayo.


Col. C/llaahi Yuusuf wixii ka dambeeyay markii uu xilka ka tegay wuxuu ku noolaa dalka Yemen, halkaasoo uu megengelyo siyaasadeed ku siiyay madaxweynihii hore ee dalkaas Cali Cabdalla Saalax.


Madaxweynihii hore ee Soomaaliya Col. C/llaahi Yuusuf wuxuu siyaasadda dalka iyo hogaanka ciidamada kusoo jiray muddo dheer oo ku dhow 50 sano, wuxuuna ka mid ahaa saraakiisha ciidamada xooga dalka Soomaaliyeed oo uu ka gaaray darajada Corneyl, hase ahaatee mar dambi uu mucaarad ku noqday dowladdii milateriga ayuu hogaamiye u noqday jabhaddii SSDF ee la dagaalantay dowladdii milateriga aheyd, islamarkaana Itoobiya taageera ka heli jirtay.


Xillgii la ridayay dowladda milateriga Jen. Max’ed Siyaad Barre C/llahi Yuusuf wuxuu ku xirnaa dalka Itoobiya, halkaasoo uu kula dhacay cudur ka haleelay beerka kaasoo sababay in beerka laga badelo, waxaana markii la sii daayay uu tegay Puntland isagoo dagaal la galay kooxdii Al-itixaad Al-islaami, wuxuuna markaas kadib sandkii 1998-dii dhisay maamulka Puntland ee hadda halkaas ka jira, wuxuuna noqday madaxweynihii ugu horreeyay ee maamulkaas.


Col. C/llaahi Yuusuf wuxuu ku guuleystay inuu Soomaaliya madaxweyne u nqodo sanadkii 2004 markii Soomaalida dalka Kenya loogu qabtay shir muddo dheer socday, wuxuuna dalka Soomaaliya soo geliyay ciidamada Itoobiya bishii Decmeber ee 2006.


C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed wuxuu aad u necbaa kooxaha ka dagaallama Soomaaliya ee ku xiran Alqaacidda, wuxuuna ahaa nin hal adag oo go’aamadiisa si xoogan ugu adkeysta.


Madaxweyne C/llahi Yuusuf intii uu ahaa madaxweynaha dowladda KMG ah waxey isku dhaceen ra’iisulwasaare Geedi, gudoomiyaha baarlmaanka Shariif Xasan Sh. Aadan oo labadaba uu ku guuleystay inuu meesha ka saaro, markaas kadib waxey haddna iksu dhaceen ra’iisulwasaarihii xigay ee Nuur Xasan Xuseen (Nuur Cade), markaasoo C/llahi Yuusuf cadaadis xoogan oo uga yimid beesha caalamka lagu kallifay inuu xilka ka tago dhamadkii sanadkii 2008.


Mareegonline

^^ Okay...someone showed it to me on Facebook LOL.

So I guess this minister got punked! --> https://twitter.com/#!/MinisterHashi

Your correct indeed!!!

Well, I never agreed with his actions but still AUN.

RIP - what was the cause of death?

RIP - what was the cause of death?

Old age I guess, he was almost 80. He was sick for a long time.

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Human Rights Watch
Thursday, March 29, 2012


(Nairobi) – Pro-government militias in Somaliahave committed summary executions and torture in the towns of Beletweyne and Baidoa since occupying them with Ethiopian forces earlier in 2012, Human Rights Watch said today. The authorities should take immediate steps to stop the abuses and hold those responsible to account, Human Rights Watch said.

On December 31, 2011, the Ethiopian National Defense Force (ENDF) and two Somali militia groups – Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama’a (ASWJ) and Shabelle Valley State (SVS) – ousted the militant Islamist group al-Shabaab from Beletweyne, the capital of the Hiraan region, which borders Ethiopia. Ethiopian troops and militias allied with the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia took over Baidoa, the capital of the Bay region, on February 22, 2012.

Civilians told Human Rights Watch that since the transition, security has become worse in both towns due to abusive security operations by allied forces and, in the case of Beletweyne, rising tensions between militias vying for control. Although al-Shabaab no longer controls either town, its forces continue to attack the Ethiopian and other forces and target civilians perceived to support them.

“Civilians in Beletweyne and Baidoa hoped that threats, fear, and repression would diminish with al-Shabaab’s departure,” said Leslie Lefkow, deputy Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Instead, the arrival of the Ethiopian forces and their militia allies has meant that one set of abusive authorities has been replaced by another.”

Residents of Beletweyne described the more unpredictable and dangerous security situation since al-Shabaab’s retreat. Several residents told Human Rights Watch that at least under al-Shabaab they knew what to expect and how to avoid problems.

One man in Beletweyne, when asked why people were being executed, told Human Rights Watch: “You must know one thing, in Beletweyne nowadays killing someone doesn’t need whys, it needs the militiamen to decide to kill you, and that is it.”

Summary Executions and Indiscriminate Killings
Human Rights Watch interviewed relatives of the victims and witnesses of more than seven summary executions committed since mid-January in Beletweyne by militia allied with the Ethiopian forces. The total number of executions is believed to be significantly higher. Human Rights Watch’s research indicates that the SVS militia was responsible for most of the executions.

The Somali militias and Ethiopian forces controlling Beletweyne appear to have committed some of the abuses in response to continuing attacks in the town, including attacks by al-Shabaab. International humanitarian law, which applies to all parties to the conflict in Somalia, prohibits summary executions, as well as unlawful reprisal attacks against civilians.

Al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for a suicide bus bombing on January 24 that damaged a government building taken over by the Ethiopian military. In the ensuing hours, Ethiopian troops and allied militias arrested a number of people, including a teacher in Beletweyne, Abdirahman Muhumed-Nur Abdulle, known as “Matan.” Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that Matan was seized from his home during house searches by the SVS militia, beaten, and then taken away. His body was found in a river several hours later after a member of the SVS administration told Matan’s relatives where to find it.

In the early hours of February 8, SVS militia members forcibly entered a building housing members of the Takfir Islamic sect. The militia members abducted five men, took them to a bridge 100 meters away from the house, and shot and killed four on the spot. A local resident described seeing the four bodies lying under the bridge the following morning with gunshot wounds to their heads, necks, faces, and chests. According to a credible source, the fifth man was wounded but managed to escape. SVS militias tracked him down, abducted him the next morning from a nearby home where he was taking shelter, and shot him.

Credible sources also told Human Rights Watch that on March 2, SVS militias abducted a man with mental health problems from a mosque in Beletweyne, accused him of being an al-Shabaab spy, and summarily executed him.

Other armed forces in Beletweyne have also been implicated in summary executions, although the cases need further investigation. On March 12, unidentified assailants threw a grenade at a tea shop near a house belonging to the former governor of Hiraan, Yusuf Ahmed Hagar, known as “Dabageed.” The next day, members of Dabageed’s militia went to the home of a 17-year-old boy who had been at the scene and was wounded in the attack and took him away. His body was found the following day, riddled with bullet wounds, in the Koshin neighborhood of Beletweyne.

“Wartime attacks never justify summary executions,” Lefkow said. “All armed groups need to stop such atrocities.”

Since withdrawing from Baidoa in February, al-Shabaab has killed people it perceives to be supporting the TFG or Ethiopian forces. On the evening of February 25, an Ethiopian Oromo businessman in Baidoa was killed by gunmen, who shot him three times in the head. He had occasionally translated for Ethiopian troops and was the first to reopen his business, a laundry, after the arrival of the Ethiopian forces. Al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for the killing, local residents reported.

At 7 p.m. on March 11, Nur Mohamed Nur, a brother of the former TFG parliament speaker, Sheikh Adan Mohamed Nur, was shot by a gunman outside of the Hormud Telephone Company office in Baidoa, where he worked. Al-Shabaab had accused him of having attended the funeral of his cousin, a TFG soldier killed during fighting with al-Shabaab at Yurkut village on March 10, a relative said. Nur Mohammed had been openly critical of al-Shabaab.

Al-Shabaab has continued to threaten Baidoa residents. Residents told Human Rights Watch that the al-Shabaab administration warned the population before it left town not to cooperate with new forces, and in particular threatened businesses likely to provide services and goods to the Ethiopian and allied Somali forces. In March, al-Shabaab reportedly distributed leaflets in Baidoa, threatening residents who cooperate with these forces. Elders in Baidoa received threatening phone calls from al-Shabaab following a meeting with TFG officials, a reliable source said.

Human Rights Watch documented one incident of indiscriminate attacks by TFG-allied militia in Baidoa. On March 21, alleged al-Shabaab sympathizers threw a hand grenade at TFG-allied militia in the marketplace. The militia responded by opening fire on civilians. According to two witnesses, at least six died – four immediately and at least two later in a hospital – and several more were wounded.

Arbitrary Detentions and Torture
Credible sources, including reports from United Nations monitors, describe frequent arbitrary detentions in Beletweyne and Baidoa by the Ethiopian forces and allied militias. Human Rights Watch interviewed five people who were arbitrarily detained in Beletweyne and Baidoa, three of whom were badly beaten by the Ethiopian troops.

A man arrested by the SVS militia in Beletweyne during a house-to-house search and handed over to Ethiopian forces was held for several days at the Hiraan University campus, which Ethiopian forces are using as a base. Credible sources told Human Rights Watch that he was tied to a tree, repeatedly beaten, and denied food throughout his detention.

Dozens of people have been arbitrarily detained following attacks in Baidoa, eyewitnesses reported. The UN has said that young men and boys are particularly likely to be picked up in such operations and accused of being al-Shabaab members or supporters. As a result, young men are fleeing the town for fear of being taken into custody.

One such sweep occurred on March 2, following an explosion outside a police station in Baidoa. Forty-two people, including three local leaders and at least eight teenagers, were arrested by Ethiopian forces and TFG allied forces.

Dr. Mohammed Ali Ahmed “Kalay,” the president of the University of Southern Somalia and former education minister, was at the scene of the explosion, but was unable to flee due to a physical disability. Five Ethiopian soldiers beat him with the butts of their AK-47 assault rifles on his head, mouth, and ears until he bled, then detained him at the central police station. A witness said Kalay and the two other local leaders were held for a day and then released. A witness said that two teenagers were among those arrested and beaten by the TFG forces. All were subsequently released.

“Ethiopian and TFG forces need to treat everyone in their custody humanely,” Lefkow said. “The current security vacuum should be resolved while respecting basic rights, not through abusive security operations.”

The residents of Beletweyne also complain of the curfew imposed by the Ethiopian forces on January 24. It currently runs for five hours in the morning and has severely restricted everyday life and access to basic services. School attendance has dropped due to the curfew, but also because people fled the town and schools were closed during the fighting in December and early January. Hiraan University is being used as a military base by the Ethiopian troops, and the university has had to move to a makeshift campus inside town.

Following two months of deadlocked negotiations between competing factions, the TFG appointed Abdifatah Hassan Afrah as the new chairman of the Hiraan region. Abdifatah is the president of the Shabelle Valley Administration, whose militia is believed to be responsible for several cases of the summary executions documented by Human Rights Watch.

When asked by Human Rights Watch what steps he was taking to investigate reported abuses, including summary executions by the SVS, Abdifatah denied knowledge of such incidents and refuted the existence of militias inside Beletweyne.

“The newly appointed administration in Hiraan needs to show that it is committed to ending abuses and insecurity in Beletweyne,” Lefkow said. “Chairman Abdifatah should start by condemning these incidents and taking measures to investigate abuses by all groups.”

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Somali female bomber kills Olympic, football chiefs

A young woman strapped with explosives blew herself up Wednesday at a ceremony in the Somali national theatre, killing the country's Olympic and football bosses.

She detonated her suicide belt as Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali was on a podium addressing 200 people gathered to mark the first anniversary of the country's satellite TV network, an AFP reporter who witnessed the incident said.

Several witnesses said Somali Olympic Committee president Aden Yabarow Wiish and Somali Football Federation chief Said Mohamed Nur were killed in the blast.
The prime minister, and seven other ministers standing beside him when the young woman set off her explosives, were unharmed.

"The bodies of the two people killed in the blast have been taken by the Somali police," police officer Mohamed Abdi told AFP.

Seconds after the blast, chaos filled the venue as the dead and the wounded could be seen slumped on their chairs and lying on the floor while police escorted some of the injured to awaiting ambulances.

Somalia's Chinese-built national theatre was re-opened last month by President Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and the prime minister for the first time in 20 years.

The two killed officials had last week inspected the reconstruction of the national stadium in Mogadishu, a city which had slowly been coming back to life since Somali and African Union forces secured most of it late last year.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iul_7Q1GLlHUZebP9Z7med-c2MgQ?docId=CNG.a6164a792a6ceaa28c4f10c558ab597d.301

Innaa Lillaahi Wa Innaa Ileyhi Raajicuun. Allaha unaxariisto dhamaan inti dhimatay. Terrorists fear progress and normality and they will murder many innocent civilians any where in the world to advance their evil agenda. But people of Mogadishu and of Somalia will not allow these defeated terrorists to win and bring us back to stone age. Killing Five innocent people will not stop this city of 3 million people moving forward Insha'allah.

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — The crowd — both men and women — cheered wildly as two Mogadishu basketball teams entered an old stadium that once bore the bloodstains of war.

During the recent reign of Islamist militants, playing basketball in Somalia's seaside capital was punishable by torture or death. Today, Somalia's blue flag has reclaimed its place over the battered Lujino Stadium, replacing the black banner of al-Shabab, the militant Islamist group that until a few months ago held sway over much of Mogadishu.

This seaside capital is full of life for the first time in 20 years. Since African Union and Somali troops pushed Islamist militants out of the city last year, schools, shops and markets have reopened. The city government has repaired potholed streets and installed streetlights. Turkish Airlines last month began weekly flights, advertised on billboards, marking the first time in decades that a reputable international carrier has regular flights to Mogadishu.

Western-style restaurants are opening, including near Mogadishu's beach front, where men and women swim together without fear of punishment from militants. People dance at weddings.

It's too early to say that the chaos, violence and hunger that have often gripped Mogadishu since 1991, when dictator Siad Barre was overthrown by warlords who then turned on each other, are gone for good. But a tectonic shift has occurred in the life of this city since al-Shabab's withdrawal last August. The group at one point had controlled all but a few blocks of the capital.

"I see so much difference as a longtime resident in Mogadishu," Abdiaziz Nur, a 31-year-old Mogadishu resident, said at a cafe where he was smoking a hookah. "I had never dreamed that I would either walk through Mogadishu's streets or drive my car at night, but now we feel glorified and proud."

The war is still sometimes felt in the capital, with a mortar round or car bomb exploding every few days. Unexploded munitions are also a danger — an old bomb embedded in ground being used as a soccer field exploded last month as a team jumped up and down in celebration of a goal, killing two players and wounding three.

But the violence is nowhere near the scale previously seen, and al-Shabab's strict social rules are no longer enforced in a capital whose population is believed to be between 1.5 million and 3 million. No one knows how many people live in Mogadishu, because until now it has been too dangerous to conduct a census.

Changes are coming with stunning speed.

A Somali-American entrepreneur is investing millions of dollars to open the first international bank here in more than two decades. The First Somali Bank, protected by 10 guards, plans to offer mortgage loans and international banking services.

"The city is returning to normal now. Thanks to Allah we can do business here again," said Liban Abdi Igal, the bank's chairman, who was recently living in Maryland. "I have returned here with optimism after seeing progress and revival."

After getting a facelift, the national theater reopened for the first time in 20 years. The opening concert on March 19 featured musicians playing guitars and drums. The performance was broadcast live on TV. Beauty salons and gyms are again flourishing in Mogadishu. Women have started driving cars, and Somalis play music on radios without fear.

Despite the advances, poverty is still prevalent in much of the city. Thousands of refugees displaced by famine last year sleep on dusty lots. Unemployment is widespread. Women with children on their laps sit on street corners, hoping for a handout.

Nowhere is Mogadishu's transformation more clearly observed than on its many sports fields.

Just a year ago, al-Shabab used Mogadishu's stadium as a launching pad for attacks against the nearby presidential palace. Mortars fired by pro-government forces sometimes landed inside the stadium. Blood stained the walls and the stone bleacher seats, even the goal posts. After al-Shabab left, residents washed the blood away.

The coach of Somalia's national basketball team, Daud Diriye, never thought he'd see the day when sports came back to the city. His team is even traveling to Uganda to play in a tournament.

"Having endured the strict rule of the Islamists for so much time, I thought my training days were over," the 53-year-old potbellied coach said.

On a recent day, Shukri Saeed was next to a male basketball fan at a game and excitedly spoke of the city's changes.

"Sports are witnessing a revival nowadays, and everyone is in charge of his own destiny," she said.

Hundreds of men and women were joking, chewing gum and enjoying simple pleasures together at the game. Al-Shabab had banned males and females from sitting together in public as a violation of Sharia law. Violators faced public whipping or imprisonment.

Across the war-scarred capital, dozens of soccer fields are filled with players. The revival of sports has not only brought ordinary Somalis outside, it has also pulled young militants away from the hold of insurgent groups.

"I have three al-Shabab defectors who want a new, entertaining life," Daud said, glancing at two men struggling to catch a bouncing ball.

Mogadishu residents are even going out at night to watch sports competitions — a normal activity most anywhere else in the world but a forgotten pleasure here.

Mohamed Hashi, a 64-year-old former basketball player, watched a crowd arriving at the stadium with tears in his eyes.

"The grim days are over," he said.

Sad news indeed!!

R.I.P to all the victims.

Somali President Orders Squatters Out of Homes

The President of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia Sharif Sheikh Ahmed has ordered squatters to immediately vacate unlawfully obtained or otherwise occupied properties in the capital Mogadishu.

While on a visit to General Daud Middle School in Mogadishu’s Yaqshid District, President Ahmed said in a speech that squatters should take the opportunity to leave properties belonging to others and added that appropriate will steps will be taken to ensure the transfer of homes to their rightful owners.

The call comes after the government expelled hundreds of squatters from former government buildings. Some criticised the move as furthering a humanitarian disaster, a claim dismissed by Deputy Mayor Iman Nur Ikar who says squatters paid rent to former warlords.

The latest move by the government, meant to improve both the justice system as well as the beautification of the city, comes on the heel of renewed investment in Somalia centered primarily around the capital Mogadishu. President Ahmed and the Mogadishu Mayor Mohamed Ahmed Nur ‘Tarzan’ are engaged in a charm offensive to return Somalia’s capital to its former glory as the ‘Pearl of the Indian Ocean.’

In 1991, widespread looting took place in Mogadishu after the collapse of Mohamed Siad Barre’s regime, a power struggle ensured and set Somalia into a bloody civil war that paved the way for today’s squatter situation.

http://dissidentnation.com/somali-president-orders-squatters-out-of-homes/

I don't think he has the power to do that. My family does not own any property there but I know people that do.

^^^ That's a very tricky business & I think the government needs to be careful there. You can't tell some-one that's been living in those houses to all of a sudden leave. Somalia's misuse & usurping of private property started much earlier than '91 & this arbitrarily choice of '91 as a starting point legitimizes the lands that were looted on behalf of the then regime. Somalia needs to move forward in a campaign of true reconciliation. These sorts of political stunts only drive a wedge between the government & it's people & will sow the seeds of mistrust & animosity between the Somali people. We need to match ahead & not look back.

^^^ That's a very tricky business & I think the government needs to be careful there. You can't tell some-one that's been living in those houses to all of a sudden leave. Somalia's misuse & usurping of private property started much earlier than '91 & this arbitrarily choice of '91 as a starting point legitimizes the lands that were looted on behalf of the then regime. Somalia needs to move forward in a campaign of true reconciliation. These sorts of political stunts only drive a wedge between the government & it's people & will sow the seeds of mistrust & animosity between the Somali people. We need to match ahead & not look back.

+1

I think the land issue is something that can be addressed when the situation stabilizes. But Sharif and co just like to talk and don't know when to be quite.
Indeed, We have along way to go, but to get there we need visionary leader and strong civil society.

The land-grabbing that happened by regime members in the 80s were on open plots of land, not an individual members property. This is totally different from someone squatting in the house of an individual. Totally different. It's like comparing land seizure to burglary. Squatters are very clearly and openly committing a legal violation that must be corrected. The president has done a great job in addressing this urgent matter.

The land-grabbing that happened by regime members in the 80s were on open plots of land, not an individual members property. This is totally different from someone squatting in the house of an individual. Totally different. It's like comparing land seizure to burglary. Squatters are very clearly and openly committing a legal violation that must be corrected. The president has done a great job in addressing this urgent matter.



The land that the government stole belonged to people. It wasnt an open land. Personally, my family lost a huge chunk of land in what's today Hodan/Howlwadaag areas of Mogadishu when the government claimed that it was going to be used for development. Instead, it was used to resettle members of the regime's clansmen into those areas. Similar things happened in the Shabelle Valley, in an absurdly social re-engineering scheme titled "Hanti-Wadaag" farms belonging to poor farmers were taken by the Government and gifted to members of the regime & their relatives. *

It's this injustice that triggered the Somali Civil War to begin with & much blood has been spilled to set this injustice right. As I said, we need to move on as a society & not dwell on the injustices of the past. Particularly, this random choice of '91 in which certain groups were "wronged" without correcting what caused the reaction in the first place is travesty of justice & will not be tolerated.

President Sh Sharif Sh Ahmed is bending over way too much than he has to for certain groups & his response on the repossessed properties much like his reaction to the death of Abdullahi Yusuf is misguided & inflammatory.*

I think you are over-analysing the situation too much. The president is doing a civic duty of getting rid of squatters, and I personally do not understand why that is an issue to be argued against. Can you name any modern city with squatters present? This is not the 1990s, this is a modern Mogadishu with investors in tow - and investors don't want to see squatters my friend.

Whatever you believe, throw it in the garbage. Somalia is now a place of business, not a piece of flesh for one clan or another to fight over. And whatever looks best on a brochure is what the president will do.

I think you are over-analysing the situation too much. The president is doing a civic duty of getting rid of squatters, and I personally do not understand why that is an issue to be argued against. Can you name any modern city with squatters present? This is not the 1990s, this is a modern Mogadishu with investors in tow - and investors don't want to see squatters my friend.

Whatever you believe, throw it in the garbage. Somalia is now a place of business, not a piece of flesh for one clan or another to fight over. And whatever looks best on a brochure is what the president will do.


With all due respect, bro; your thinking process is actually very dangerous. You want to justify "squatting" done by one group yet you ignore the systematic & excessive state-sponsored squatting in the 70s & 80s that led to today's "squatting" in the first place. it is a very flawed & ultimately futile mindset. History has shown the people of Mogadishu to be patriotic & principled that will not shy away standing up for what's right as they have done so in the past against the US, Warlords, Ethiopians & today Islamic radicals.

The job facing us as the youth of Somalia and its future generation is to deal with injustices judiciously & comprehensively & more importantly impartially. This absurd idea of picking & choosing when to apply justice is wrong & counterproductive.

I am sorry if you see my assertions as being too analytical; but some of us have real emotional attachment to this issue & it gets under my skin when folks simplify this multi-dimensional problem. This is precisely why I said, we need to move on & go on with our lives as Somalis & concentrate on developing better alternatives for our people rather than these cyclical & pointless creations of artificial political crisis that led us to being the sad case we are today.

Ps,

Whatever Mogadishu is today is due to its people & they should be congratulated for the real & visible progress they have made recently. We shouldn't be sabotaging their achievements by taking them back to the days of injustice & evil doing.

I'm just telling you the reality, not what I believe. Everything boils down to money, nobody cares about the needs of individuals who don't don't have the potential of paying taxes at the end of it all. If the original owner of the property, who lives in a Western country and makes $100,000/year says that the squatter on his property, who makes $1,000/year, needs to move out - then the TFG knows what makes sense in this case.

Coming from a tax-collector standpoint - who do you value more? The person who squatted on a property or the person who paid for it and maintained it? It's that simple. Wu Tang Clan said it best, "Cash Rules Everything Around Me." Nobody wants a city full of peasants.

I'm just telling you the reality, not what I believe. Everything boils down to money, nobody cares about the needs of individuals who don't don't have the potential of paying taxes at the end of it all. If the original owner of the property, who lives in a Western country and makes $100,000/year says that the squatter on his property, who makes $1,000/year, needs to move out - then the TFG knows what makes sense in this case.

Coming from a tax-collector standpoint - who do you value more? The person who squatted on a property or the person who paid for it and maintained it? It's that simple. Wu Tang Clan said it best, "Cash Rules Everything Around Me." Nobody wants a city full of peasants.


Again, you got this very wrong. I don't know under what impression you are working by, but when it comes to money, I don't think there's any group in Somalia that has a bigger financial power than the people of Mogadishu. It's the people of Mogadishu that control Easleigh, Dubai, South Africa, Tanzania & S.Sudan. The two biggest financial hubs in Somalia are in Mogadishu & for a long time the dollar value in Nairobi was set from Bakaraha Market. Almost all the major Somali Companies are owned by Mogadishu people. The property value in Mogadishu are quite competitive. In fact, right now, there areas in Mogadishu whose starting price is anywhere from 500,000 USD to a million plus. The Somalis from the Western countries are an embarrassment in fact when it comes to money. In Kenya for example, Somali women from Mogadishu are buying properties worth hundreds of thousands USD & more in cash & own almost all the buildings in Eastleigh. On the other hand, the Somalis in Minnesota which are the largest in the diaspora can't even buy a single mall & have to rely on rented shops. Your idea that Mogadishu is a city of peasants reeks of inferiority complex and will take this discussion to a level that's counterproductive & I hope you stop such silliness. Mogadishu is the capital city & heartbeat of Somalia & it's people have suffered too long in the name of Somalinimo.

Besides, this issue of "squatting" is a moral one, not financial.....& in either case you lose.

Warar Sheegaya in Al Amriki Qoorta Laga iyo Shabaab oo is Qilaafsan. (http://gedoonline.com/?p=36849)

This is probably fake but a few English sites are reporting it!

http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/Reports-Omar-Hammami-Executed/qIBO0XAl5E6gEirWSNuKrA.cspx

Somali piracy: EU forces in first mainland raid

EU naval forces have conducted their first raid on pirate bases on the Somali mainland, saying they have destroyed several boats.

The EU forces were transported by helicopter to the pirate bases near the port of Haradhere

I wonder how much impact this will actually have.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18069685

^The filthy pirates are a threat not only to the world but also to the local Somali economy and anyone including the EU are most welcome to help eliminate these parasites.

:lol: EU forces.

The only way to stop the pirates is a strong Somali navy with a shoot on sight policy. :)

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Have a good time. :cheers:

Have a great time! :cheers:

^^^
Thanks Walaala-yaal

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I long for the day for Somalilands recognition by the international community.

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Hambalyo!

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Xuuskii 18 May ee Virginia waan taagay, sawiro ma haysaan.

Laakiin, gabadha ugu quruxda badaneeeeeyyyyy. :goodnight

Are you guys saying that Somaliland should be internationally recognised as belonging no more to Somalia? I know it has enjoyed semi autonomy for long but is there some general consensus from the other Somalis that they should be let off?

If the opinion of the people there want to secede, they can't be forcibly chained forever.

I do, not sure what fellow members on this form think.

Yes Somaliland shall be recognized.

I long for the day for Somalilands recognition by the international community.

I long for the day the Somalilanders will renounce this foolish secession in favor of federalism within Somalia.

No offense Slanders, but I prefer a united and strong Somalia than a collection of small Somali republics. I won't go further, enjoy your secession day

Ras Siyan that's Impossible sxb... 21 Years of good governance and democracy, Iska khasaarin maayo, inankii 1991 dhashay maanta 21 jir... Nabad ku caano maalay.

Sidaan ula midoobi karaa qof aan ii aqoonsanayn xataa waxaan qabsaday...XAASHEE NIN LIBIN KAA XISTIYAY XUMIHI WAA YAAB.

DHadhami waa yihii doraad, wixii dhacay dib ugu noqo.

DHadhami waa yihii doraad, wixii dhacay dib ugu noqo.

Nidaam dowladeed ayaa dhibaato idiin geystay sxb, umada Somaliyed ma aha. Dowladii iyo dictator kii ka talinayay wey socdeen, miyaaney ka wanaagsaneyn in ad xaashkaa rogtaan ood ka gudubtaan?

As for the gouvernance and democracy in SL, why not make it the model of governance all over Somalia? Inta gooni-u-goosad lagu ordayo, miyaaney ka fiicneyn in experience ka Somalia oo dhan ka faa'ideysato?

Waan tagaa Somaliland, runtii na ma fahmo naceybka dad qaarkood ey u qabaan koonfur. Waa in la kala saaro dad iyo nidaam dowladeed. Siad Barre uu tagay, uu dhintay. Khalaas, waa in laga gudbo xumaantii hore oo aan qaranimadi iyo midnimadi Somaliyed loo baabiin khaladaad nin iyo dowlad tagay ey sameeyeen.

Riyadii hallowday!! Somaliyeey kaca toosa, waad qalibanteene.

For someone who has this signature, I expected a minimum of attachment to the Somalian unity.

Waan jeclahay in ey jirto Somalia mideysan o awood le' o barwaaqo ah. O kaalkeedii taariikhiga ahaa ka ciyaarta arimaha gobolka iyo dunida. Cadowgii baad u jabteen, dalalkii shalay dagaal ley isku hayay ayaa idinku kala dhex jira o idin ka faa'ideysanaya. Awey damiirkii Somaliyed? Awey isla weynidii nalagu yaqaaney?

Markaan arko sida konfurna u burbursantahay, idinkii roona na inta aad horaan ka gali leheydeen dib u dhiska qaranka, aad ka doorateen gooni-u-goosad, waan idinka niyad jabaa. :ohno:

Anaku dal yar baanu nahay, magaceenii Somaliyed idinka ayaa sida, fadlan ha biinina more than you already did during the last 21 years

My 2 cents,

Waaryaadheen siyaasada ha laga daayo threadka!!!

Qeybtani waa qeybta sawiradda... ama sawiro ku eekaada ama thread ka siyaasada loogu tala galay taga.

Kuwa ajahanabka ah ee su'aalaha iska yeel-yeelayana ha u jawaabina.

Waydun ku mahadsantihiin oo sii wada inaydun siyaasada Soomaalida u dhexaysa kaga hadashaan oo ku dhameysaan luqadeen (Soomaali) - saas aa la rabaa!

Laakiin fadlan hadalka badan iyo siyaasada inaga joojiya. Sawirrow ha lagu eekaado!

Ras Siyan sxb markay wax dhacaan, markiiba laguma cararo sidii waxan loo xalan lahaa, laakiin waxa la is waydiiyaa, waxan maxaa keenay, siduu waxani ku yimi...Makaa Somaliland Shacabkoodu waa dad kii ugu gorreeyay, ee go'aan sady inay Soomaaliya la midoobaan, oo Soomaali nimo iyo walaaltinimo anagaa jecel, oo xorriyaddii aanu ka hor qaadanay Somali oo dhan, midnimo awgeed u tuurnay, laakiin sxb waxaa wanaagsan inaaf fahanto, xaqiiqda dhabta ah.

Waa runtaa shacabka Somaliland waxaa dhibaato u gaystay nidam dawladeed, oo macan-gag ah, lakiin taas bedel keeda miyaany ahayn, in Somaliland iyo shacabkeeda la tuso sida looga xun yahay,wixii dawladdii kali talisku kula kacday...Iska da inay xataa ka xumaadaan walaalahayo e waxayba xataa taagan yihiin waxba la idinkuma samayn, iyo waliba inay dafiraan, xasuuqii ka dhacay gobolada waqooyi.

Ku darsoo sxb annagu Reer Somaliland ahaan waxaanu mar walba la jecel nahay walaalahayo, nabad, horumar, kala danbayn, iyo xasilooni buuxda.

Ras Siyan sxb wax walba waxay yimaadaan, marka wixii khalad dhacay la isu qiro,lana tuso reer Somaliland inaanay dadkii waxaa gaystay kuwan iminka jooga ahayn, laakiin se haddii dareento inaanay kuwii hore iyo kuwaniba waxba ku kala duwanayn, dee waa lasii kala fogaanayaa uun, Reer Soomaliya waxaadu waa khasab ksuoo noqda iyo shuruud la'aan iyagoo iska indha tiraya wax walba oo xaqiiq ah...Taasina suuro gal maaha.

@ Riyadii hilawday, anigu waxaan u sitaa Signature kan, in haddii xal la helayo ummadda Soomaaliyeed oo dhan la isku soo dhaweeyo oo heeryada-gumaystaha la iska tuuro... taasina waxay ku xidhan tahay uun, is fahan yimaada bulshada dhexdeeda.


FG: Anigu Soomaaliya ma necbi sxb iyo walaaltinimada laakiin waxaa wax walba kugu sii fogaanayaan, markaad aragto, halkii wax la isaga soo dhawaan lahaa oo la isa sii caydhinaayo.

LEWIS CENTER, Ohio — Twenty-one years ago this month, Somaliland was reborn when the tyrannical regime of Siad Barre collapsed.

Since then, the people of Somaliland, which is the northern part of Somalia, have established a country built on the principles of freedom and democracy. But they still await recognition by the world community including the United States.

Somaliland first won its independence from the British Empire on June 26, 1960, an event soon followed by recognition as a sovereign entity by the United Nations and 35 countries, the US among them.

But then, a week later, Somaliland voluntarily entered a union with what was at the time known as Italian Somaliland, to the south, creating modern-day Somalia. This was in response to the dreams of nationalists who wanted to unite the lands in which Somalis lived in the Horn of Africa region.

The hope that union would lead the Somalis into a free and democratic nation never materialized. Instead, the brutal military regime of Siad Barre took power from a nascent civilian government in 1969. Barre was a tyrant, described by some as in the mold of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, who held power for 21 years through military force, money from foreign donors and by manipulating the region's clan system.

Barre declared the majority of northern Somalis enemies of the state. They had legitimate grievances about his misrule, and the way in which the union between former British Somaliland and former Italian Somaliland was handled in 1960. Consequently, a political disenfranchisement and ruthless military campaign was unleashed against the civilian population. An insurrection followed and eventually, in 1991, the military regime collapsed.

Since then Somalia has been mired in chaos and violence. But Somaliland has succeeded in establishing a functioning government, with a constitution, defined borders and a flag. It is governed along democratic lines with pluralistic political institutions. In May 2001, its independence was supported in a referendum by more than 90 percent of the population. Two presidential elections took place with a peaceful transfer of power; one in 2003 and another in 2010. This summer, nine political parties are competing in local elections.

Despite its achievements, no country in the world has yet recognized Somaliland’s independence. The US State Department and the African Union each cling to the fiction that Somaliland is part of the failed state of Somalia. It would have made sense to award Somaliland the diplomatic recognition it deserves. Its brief history of freedom and democracy stand in stark contrast to the terrorism, reign of warlords and piracy that is rife in Somalia, where US President Barack Obama and the UN are expending vast resources to fund African troops, which are propping up the corrupt transitional Somali government.

The argument against Somaliland’s independence comes from the African Union (AU), which has been tough on Somaliland for creating an independent democratic state. There is understandable paranoia about accepting new states with shifting borders inherited from colonial powers in Africa. The AU’s argument to deny Somaliland sovereignty is not valid, however, because it has had defined colonial borders that were established at the time of independence.

The irony is that US State Department diplomats, for political reasons, endorsed the position of the African Union in order to appease other African leaders and to get their military support for America’s counter-terrorism efforts in Somalia.

For the last two decades, the international community has tried through outside military intervention and massive aid to reconstitute Somalia. These interventions have ended in catastrophic failure.

The United Nations is also arguing that recognizing Somaliland might hinder the UN-sponsored peace and reconciliation efforts for Somalia. Among these efforts is the US-backed “road map” for Somalia, which projects forming a new government at the end of the “transition” in mid-August. Most Somalis have no faith in the “road map” process, which seeks to reinforce and legitimize the nominal Somali government even though Somalia remains ravaged by violence and self-interested neighbors.

The world regards Somalia as a basket case, but Somaliland is not and deserves better. Recognizing independent Somaliland would have positive consequences, not just for Somalia, but also for the whole Horn of Africa region. Indeed, Somaliland is contributing the international community's efforts to combat piracy that plagues the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean.

Keeping the status quo in Somalia would only prolong the human suffering there and spread radicalism and chaos that could engulf the region. In this scenario, diplomatic recognition for Somaliland would be unjustly denied and would further delay opportunity for investment, trade and economic growth.

Obama should do the right thing and fulfill the aspirations of 3.5 million people of Somaliland to have an independent and sovereign state.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/commentary/somaliland-independence-somalia-united-nations-piracy

Ictraaf will happen if the oil exploration is successful. Serious. There needs to be interests on the other side for recognition, like in South Sudan.

Do you really think the West really cares about democracy? They support Meles Zenawi who is a pure dictator.

I long for the day the Somalilanders will renounce this foolish secession in favor of federalism within Somalia.

No offense Slanders, but I prefer a united and strong Somalia than a collection of small Somali republics. I won't go further, enjoy your secession day

When will Djibouti renounce this foolishness of independence and rejoin their brothers and sisters in the South?

Don't try and force something on someone else you are not willing to do yourself. It is the height of cowardice.

^^ Xusein is right.

^ As usual. :cool:

Lovely pictures.

When will Djibouti renounce this foolishness of independence and rejoin their brothers and sisters in the South?

Don't try and force something on someone else you are not willing to do yourself. It is the height of cowardice.

Djibouti never seceded from Somalia because it wasn't part of that country, you were. The Somali national anthem was first composed in Hargeisa, the Somali flag was first raised there, don't compare a secessionist Somalian region to an established country. We're not talking about Somali Weyn here, but the Republic of Somalia.

And come up with something else when arguing this issue with me, this is becoming redundant.

Somali signatories reach agreement to end transitional government
ADDIS ABABA, May 23 (Xinhua) -- At the conclusion of the consultative meeting on the process of ending the transition, Somali signatories on Wednesday reached agreement to end the transition of Somalia. The signatories including Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, President of Somalia's Transitional Federal Government (TFG), Abdiweli Mohamed Ali, TFG Prime Minister, Sheikh Hassen Sheikh Aden, TFG Speaker, Abdirahman Mohamud Farole, President of Putland, Mahamed Ahmed Aalin, President of Galmudug, Representative of Ahlu Sunna Waljama, and also Augustine P. Mahiga, UN Special Representative in Somalia, attended the consultative meeting from May 21-23 at the AU Headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. The Somali signatories including the United Nations have signed the document that enable to go further in the process of ending the transition of Somalia. The transition has three months to go away in August 2012.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-05/24/c_123181772.htm

Very positive development.

So what is actually the difference now? :?

And neither was Somaliland. It joined the Republic of Somalia in a union. (You do know how those work right? You unite with a country as two former independent countries). Go read a book on history and you will see Somaliland gain it's independence as a country before Somalia or do you still want to lie and delude yourself on facts?

Nice try with rewriting history unfortunately history is on my side.

I'm comparing an independent country who joined and then left the union to a country who never had the guts or patriotism to try and join to begin with.

Do not try and argue Somaliland's right to independence with me. Just go back to your little country and keep pretending you are a Somali nationalist only when it suits you.

Edit

In less than 90 days, we expect to see a permanent government for Somalia. This high-level meeting was meant to discuss the best way forward in ending the transition period.

Xagxagashada luqad ajanebi ma ku bilaabteen. :ohno:

Ma waxay garan weeydeen isu xil qariya oo luqadiina ku wada hadla?

^^ Maxaan sameeyaa hadii aney afkeedi qori garaneyn? Anyway, waaban ka baxay doodan aana midho dhalineyn

^^ Maxaan sameeyaa hadii aney afkeedi qori garaneyn? Anyway, waaban ka baxay doodan aana midho dhalineyn

Sxb afkeena ayaad aheyd inaad ugu jawaabtid. Wali xitaa waad bedeli kartaa wixii aad hore u qortay oo luqadeena ku qor.

Ka hadla waxaydun ka hadlaysaan, laakiin mar haday tahay siyaasad inaga inoo dhexaysa afkeena ku hadla.

Ka hadla waxaydun ka hadlaysaan, laakiin mar haday tahay siyaasad inaga inoo dhexaysa afkeena ku hadla.

Wa runtaa sxb, ceebtena iyo khilafadkena wa in an qarsano. Imika laga bilaabo sidaa baan sameyn

Wa runtaa sxb, ceebtena iyo khilafadkena wa in an qarsano. Imika laga bilaabo sidaa baan sameyn

Si fiican sxb. Dadkan ajanebiga ah Somali waa u uun Somali; mana fahmayaan dan na kama laha waxa la isku haysto ama laysku xag-xaganayo. Fadlan waxa aad kaga bilowdaa inaad afkeenu ku bedeshid waxa aad ingriisiga ku soo qortay (qoraalka aad leyla ugu jawaabaysay ee sare'). :)

Si fiican sxb. Dadkan ajanebiga ah Somali waa u uun Somali; mana fahmayaan dan na kama laha waxa la isku haysto ama laysku xag-xaganayo. Fadlan waxa aad kaga bilowdaa inaad afkeenu ku bedeshid waxa aad ingriisiga ku soo qortay (qoraalka aad leyla ugu jawaabaysay ee sare'). :)

Wa pointless in an Af Somali ku badalo waxii aan qoray waayo Leyla ma akhrido afkeena. Laakiin fadligaaga waa masixi qoraalkeyga

Let's keep the politics in the political thread, I merged the Somaliland topics into this thread. Mahadsanid.

I long for the day the Somalilanders will renounce this foolish secession in favor of federalism within Somalia.

No offense Slanders, but I prefer a united and strong Somalia than a collection of small Somali republics. I won't go further, enjoy your secession day

:applause:

Jiritaanka iyo Qaranimada Somaliland waa go'aan Shacab.

Apparently there will be a conference in Istanbul soon.

Conferences are the new "peace talks". Only benefit is TFG dalxiis on western taxpayer dime.

The Istanbul Conference will be primarily about development and reconstruction. Now that the country is stabilizing, the Somali companies that prematurely announced a $1 billion investment in the energy sector during the 1st Istanbul Conference will make good on their promise now that their investment can be guaranteed with protection.

There will be several forums on energy, water and road infrastructure where countries such as Malaysia or Australia can discuss with their Somali counterparts potential partnerships. The Turks are determined to see Somalia rise, and they are attracting as many entrepreneurs as possible by facilitating the private-sectors of the countries that will attend with a place in the conference, including their own.

I'm tempted to go myself.

Oh, I see. Actually sounds constructive.

What would be great though is if such an event could take place in Somalia instead. Maybe when the situation improves further inshallah.

Maybe even do it in Bosaso or Garowe or something. I dislike these foreign conferences.

Oh, I see. Actually sounds constructive.

What would be great though is if such an event could take place in Somalia instead. Maybe when the situation improves further inshallah.

Maybe even do it in Bosaso or Garowe or something. I dislike these foreign conferences.

The old cliche applies here: Beggers can't be choosers. As long as Aid is flowing into Somalia, who cares where these conferences are held?

Because it reinforces the sterotype that Somalia is too unsafe for an international conference when there are several locations in the country that are safe enough for it to take place. A bit superficial but still...:)

Because it reinforces the sterotype that Somalia is too unsafe for an international conference when there are several locations in the country that are safe enough for it to take place. A bit superficial but still...:)

Al-Shabaab agents are all over the country, even in very 'safe' regions.

So? More security could deal with that, and it could send a signal of defiance against those animals.

Places further north are not like Xamar where the leaders need to be with AMISOM 24/7 to move places.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4510/somaliland.png
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155045/Middle-East-Leads-World-Negative-Emotions.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

This is Gallup's Negative Experience Index which shows which countries around the world that people are most likely to experience a lot of negative emotions on a daily basis

It's mostly because people are unfamiliar with it.

edit: I misinterpreted the thread title.. just read the article and it's about negative experiences of locals, oh lol.

^^

Be positive bro and optimistic. Dhinaca wanaagsan wax ka eeg.

Agreement between Somaliland and Somalia for the first time in 21 years

http://horseedmedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Shiriif-Siilaanyo.jpg

http://togaherer.com/ram/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/JIB_0483.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/A9Ue8.jpg

Ayatulahi you should have posted this in the politics threads sxb. Inaga daa xaashadahan badan ee siyaasadda ku saabsan.

Mahadsanid.

They don't look comfortable LOL.

Who Will Protect Somalia’s Energy Resources?



This is probably the first question that came into the minds of sensible Somalis around the world as soon as we heard oil drilling would begin in the country. We asked questions of the suspicious nature, like who are these companies? what are their motives? and who signed the deals on Somalia’s behalf? Frankly, we have every right to be suspicious. With the lawlessness and corruption in Somalia, it is the perfect recipe for oil companies to take advantage of the situation.


Love thy Neighbour?


It’s no secret the Somali crisis is a protracted and propagated one. With the lethal combination of internal civil strife, lack of a nationalist government and neighbours determined to take advantage of our resources, I’d say we are in quite a predicament. As a nationalist, I am worried about our eroding patriotism and rising regionalism. Somalia’s ever evolving horror story is indeed troubling to its citizens but even more so to its neighbours. Why is it that the likes of Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda and Eritrea find it so necessary in their national interest to keep Somalia in its current quagmire? Part of the answer is indeed oil and gas, the most coveted resource in the world. Somalia is estimated to boast vast reserves of petroleum from the north to the south, not to mention the large swathes of mineral resources found in south-central Somalia. The majority of Somalis believe that discovering these resources whilst still in the current crisis would plunge Somalia into further anarchy. Only this time we would have foreign vultures namely neighboring resource hungry governments to protect our resources from. In my youtube video earlier this year, I mentioned that Kenya’s involvement in southern Somalia was designed to gain the upper hand on offshore oil block concessions that rightfully belong to Somalia as stipulated in the 1982 UN Law of the Seas. It seems now that claim is indeed bearing fruit as the Kenyan mission continues and those Somalis that supported them realize their neighbours’ real intentions.


5th Largest Oil Reserves in the World

A bold statement for a country like Somalia, but we better believe it. My colleagues and I at the East African Energy Forum (a lobby group that protects Somalia’s energy resources from corruption and illegal exploitation) have estimated Somalia to have anywhere from 80 to over 100 billion barrels of onshore and offshore reserves when all is said and done and frankly if I were Somalia’s neighbours I’d be worried about us too. This small nation of 10 million stands to have the 5th largest petroleum reserves in the world, eclipsing heavyweights in the likes of UAE, Kuwait and Nigeria. The Dharoor and Nugaal Valleys reserves-in-place alone are estimated to be valued at $1.2 Trillion in today’s market. I’ve said this number in almost all of my Somali oil and gas speeches and every time I received the same reaction of dismissal and non-belief. I admit these numbers are large estimates but it doesn’t take away from the fact that these petroleum reserves will thrust us into the world spotlight and bring Somalia more enemies than friends.


A Way Forward

Our enemies can only take advantage of us so long as we are blind to their ill-conceived plans. They have begun to realize that Somalia is indeed the unconquerable when it comes to outright aggression....ask the Ethiopians and the Kenyans how that’s going for them. But they haven’t given up just yet; instead they have turned their attention to robbing the country of its resources, which proves more profitable as is the case with illegal fishing, territorial infringement and now Kenya’s oil ambitions. Despite all these foreign projects, the people of Somalia can retaliate. Not in the form of gun-wielding and violence as we are so accustomed to, but rather in the form of public information, media, lobbying and educating ourselves. We must protect ourselves from outright corruption from those that claim to represent our interests.
A prime example of this corruption is the “Memorandum Of Understanding” deal in 2009 by the Sharmarke Government that effectively opened the door for the secession of Somalia’s southern territorial waters to Kenya. This blatant degradation of Somali integrity was only scuttled after a public outcry in the Somali media and public domain, followed by parliamentary rejection of the deal. It was also not coincidental that Norway (The world's leader in offshore oil exploration) was the main lobby for the MOU on behalf of Kenya. This demonstrates that our enemies are united on taking the trillions of dollars under our feet while we are busy quarreling over which tribe is more superior.


Oil or Tribalism?

If Somalia is to benefit at all from current and future oil exploration then these two words cannot co-exist. I am still a firm believer that economic prosperity and partnerships will render tribalism a thing of the past. Oil needs security for it to be extracted, and the Somalis would do well to enter into economic partnerships with each other in order to benefit from these opportunities. In my last video I got plenty of hate mail suggesting I was an agent for Puntland promoting its oil wealth. It’s this kind of tribalism mindset that will ensure we never succeed as a country. In fact I provided evidence of the presence of oil across the entire country. How is it then that we find pride in a tribal affiliation that is God given by birth yet we refuse to come together with dignity as a people to develop our resources and our country? Wouldn’t that be something better to find pride in?


Israel as a Model

Don’t shoot me yet! The Israeli model of nationalism and lobbying is by far the most effective of its kind in the world...ask the Americans. I believe Somalia’s road to recovery lies in the hands of a nationalist citizenry taking up lobbying efforts both inside the country and in the Diaspora. The only way we can protect our energy resources is through public information campaigns, lobby groups, and educating Somalis on the facts. Everyone has a part to play.
The East African Energy Forum and Transparency International teamed up earlier this year to begin implementing the EITI (Extractive Industries Transparency Index) in Somalia. The EITI is a number measuring how transparent (or corrupt) a country’s energy industry is, which in turn will impact positively or negatively the stock prices of the companies involved in Somalia and give them incentive to deal transparently in Somalia. Agree with their methods or not, the Israelis have done an incredible job lobbying their country’s national interests in the world’s spheres of influence and as a result their national interest is nearly impregnable. This however requires immense resolve and “Somalinimo” on our part and whether we are up to the task surely remains to be seen.


The Ball is in our Court

We are a country at a crossroads in many facets of our society...politically, socially and economically. But that doesn’t mean our hands are tied and we are helpless while our resources are plundered in front of us. The only way we can be taken advantage of is by not knowing the facts and by being naïve. Our enemies will come up with elaborate ways of pretending to be a friend or “liberator” as a cover to the real reasons for their involvement in our affairs. It is up to the citizenry to voice their concerns, write and distribute articles, criticize foreign meddling and demonstrate in the city streets of Somalia, essentially rise up from our dormancy and pacifism. We must, because our politicians aren’t. The task is daunting but if we do this now, then maybe just maybe we have a chance to enjoy our God-given wealth 3,000 km beneath our feet.



http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2012/july/25087/who_will_protect_somalia_s_energy_resources.aspx

Al-Shabaab has lost so much territory

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Political_Situation_of_Somalia_on_August_4,_2012.png

Compared to a last year in may:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VqmBAMQ5swE/TdcC1PgbvsI/AAAAAAAAPkM/9lJrTm-66IM/s1600/Fedmapsom.png

Al shabaab ama Al sheydaan waa sidda CANCER waa in ila mesha ugu danbeysa laga cirib tirro

Al shabaab ama Al sheydaan waa sidda CANCER waa in ila mesha ugu danbeysa laga cirib tirro

They are worse than that

I think that map was made by someone with bias. PL controls Southern Sool? And Jubbaland has all that territory? I thought it was called Azania. :D

I think that map was made by someone with bias. PL controls Southern Sool? And Jubbaland has all that territory? I thought it was called Azania. :D

Lol, it was from dissident nation. Azania is part of jubbaland.

Al-Shabaab has lost so much territory

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Political_Situation_of_Somalia_on_August_4,_2012.png



Is this 100% confirmed? Is so, DAMN,

Al Shabab played the political and military game badly. After they lost, Xamar they should have negotiated and try to get some political concessions. But now they lost both power and land and will get nothing at the end, extremely short sighted

The sooner Al shabab go the better sxb no one should allow them to walk free in Somalia let alone political concessions,Al shabab has Middle Ages way of thinks which does not fit in today s way of living,insha Allah an the end of thid calender year they will be bushed away.Somalia has always been a secular state and we should remain so.jail them for life,and serve a bunch of HYENA MEAT as a meal everyday lolz.

The sooner Al shabab go the better sxb no one should allow them to walk free in Somalia let alone political concessions,Al shabab has Middle Ages way of thinks which does not fit in today s way of living,insha Allah an the end of thid calender year they will be bushed away.Somalia has always been a secular state and we should remain so.jail them for life,and serve a bunch of HYENA MEAT as a meal everyday lolz.

Somalia is a Islamic state, with a Islamic tradition, I don't know what you are talking about

Somalia is a Islamic state, with a Islamic tradition, I don't know what you are talking about

By secular i mean a Islamic secular state where the others (non Muslims) have the same rights.not something like Saudi Arabia but more like Turkey.where is a
Separation of religion and state.

I'd rather have Somalia secular. I don't want these scumbag politicians telling us how to practice Islam.


The sooner Al shabab go the better sxb no one should allow them to walk free in Somalia let alone political concessions,Al shabab has Middle Ages way of thinks which does not fit in today s way of living,insha Allah an the end of thid calender year they will be bushed away.Somalia has always been a secular state and we should remain so.jail them for life,and serve a bunch of HYENA MEAT as a meal everyday lolz.

:hammer: Al Kelab has hit a new low.

By secular i mean a Islamic secular state where the others (non Muslims) have the same rights.not something like Saudi Arabia but more like Turkey.where is a
Separation of religion and state.

This is what the media tells you, why do you associate Islam with Saudi Arabia? Ignorance of Muslims now days.

By secular i mean a Islamic secular state where the others (non Muslims) have the same rights.not something like Saudi Arabia but more like Turkey.where is a
Separation of religion and state.

Seperation of religion and state? The new Somali government is going to be based on sharia . Where we're you for the last 5 months or so ?

Seperation of religion and state? The new Somali government is going to be based on sharia . Where we're you for the last 5 months or so ?


Sharia no chance sxb never!!! look at the new MPs list there is 0% of Sharia supporters and 30% of women (thank Allah).

Sharia no chance sxb never!!! look at the new MPs list there is 0% of Sharia supporters and 30% of women (thank Allah).

Wait, are you saying you hate sharia??

This is what the media tells you, why do you associate Islam with Saudi Arabia? Ignorance of Muslims now days.


Reading seems to be a difficult thing to do.fist of all i do care less what the media says it is my opinion that we Somalian people need a Islamic secular modern state.I used Saudi Arabia and Turkey for example Saudi Arabia has the sharia law while Turkey is a secular Islamic democratic state,i hope i made my self clear.

Wait, are you saying you hate sharia??

No i don't,you said the new Parliament will be a sharia law based one which is not the case.

Reading seems to be a difficult thing to do.fist of all i do care less what the media says it is my opinion that we Somalian people need a Islamic secular modern state.I used Saudi Arabia and Turkey for example Saudi Arabia has the sharia law while Turkey is a secular Islamic democratic state,i hope i made my self clear.

Fail ! Turkey doesn't even allow women to wear hijab in any public places while Saudi Arabia Don't even allow women to vote, drive cars or even leave the house without a male relative. If you call that sharia, your Smart. :)

Fail ! Turkey doesn't even allow women to wear hijab in any public places while Saudi Arabia Don't even allow women to vote, drive cars or even leave the house without a male relative. If you call that sharia, your ignorant.

To make your point you don't have to use words such as (ignorant) we may disagree on issues without insulting each other.

To make your point you don't have to use words such as (ignorant) we may disagree on issues without insulting each other.

Didn't I say smart? Reread my post, not the quoted one lol

I have to use the famous line

we agree to disagree.

To what extent will sharia law be used in the new constitution?

In Somalia, a new parliament, but presidential vote is delayed as gov’t mandate expires

MOGADISHU, Somalia — Members of a new parliament in Somalia are being sworn in, but there will be no presidential election.

The mandate for Somalia’s U.N. mandate ended Monday, the day by which international backers had hoped a new presidential election would be held. But selection of a new, 275-member parliament has lagged behind schedule amid allegations of intimidation and corruption, and elections for a speaker of parliament and president are still several days away.

Some 225 people have been named to the 275-member parliament, and those members are to be sworn in Monday. When the full body is seated, elections will be held.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/in-somalia-a-new-parliament-but-presidential-vote-is-delayed-as-govt-mandate-expires/2012/08/20/48c5e3fa-ea90-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html

This whole thing is a circus and it embarrasses me as a Somali. These animals don't know how to run a lemonade stand, let alone a government, nor do they care. The best thing to do is simply fire everyone and start over.

How is it that Libya, a nation with a dictator like Barre and NO history with democratic governance (which we do have), was able to have local elections and eventually national in a year while Somalia has been in limbo for over 20?

Is there something wrong with us or is it the system?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/in-somalia-a-new-parliament-but-presidential-vote-is-delayed-as-govt-mandate-expires/2012/08/20/48c5e3fa-ea90-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html

This whole thing is a circus and it embarrasses me as a Somali. These animals don't know how to run a lemonade stand, let alone a government, nor do they care. The best thing to do is simply fire everyone and start over.

How is it that Libya, a nation with a dictator like Barre and NO history with democratic governance (which we do have), was able to have local elections and eventually national in a year while Somalia has been in limbo for over 20?

Is there something wrong with us or is it the system?

Definitely the Somali people.

They lack the basic education knowledge while Libya, although under Gaddafi, had education sorted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/in-somalia-a-new-parliament-but-presidential-vote-is-delayed-as-govt-mandate-expires/2012/08/20/48c5e3fa-ea90-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html

This whole thing is a circus and it embarrasses me as a Somali. These animals don't know how to run a lemonade stand, let alone a government, nor do they care. The best thing to do is simply fire everyone and start over.

How is it that Libya, a nation with a dictator like Barre and NO history with democratic governance (which we do have), was able to have local elections and eventually national in a year while Somalia has been in limbo for over 20?

Is there something wrong with us or is it the system?

There is something wrong with us that is for sure lol.but you cant compare Libya to Somalia,yes we both have had dictators but Somalia is 20 years behind everything,i am sure that most of the MPs have a IQ lower than 80. as a result they are not willing to listen to each other.waxeey meesha uu fadhiyaan reer hebel ayaa saas yiri iyo anaga waxaas yeeli meyno,tusaalo waxaad kuu qadataa odeyeesha beelaha lolz.haddi odeyeesha beelaha qol lagu soo wadda xirro iyo danyeero qol kale lagu soo xiro waxaa hubba in danyeerada ee laa imaanayaan fikrado kaa fiican odeyesha beelaha.

^^ Odeyaasha Beelaha wax faa'idaa o ey leyihiin ma jirto. Wexey u joogaan o qudha dan qabiil, taas inta laga gudbeyo na hore lo socon maayo.

Systemka ha laga saaro shadaadiintan gadhka cas le' (odeyaasha) :lol:

Somalia: From Troubled Transition to a Tarnished Transition?

20 Aug 2012

The term of Somalia’s Transitional Federal Institutions has expired, and there is no new president to take office as envisaged. The current political process has been as undemocratic as the one it seeks to replace, with unprecedented levels of political interference, corruption and intimidation. The end of the transition roadmap process – that is supposed to usher in an inclusive political dispensation – may fail to bring stability. Convening an incomplete parliament and electing a contested, tainted leadership in Somalia’s polarised political environment could easily unravel the painstaking humanitarian, political and security progress made in the past three years. The extremist Islamist movement Al-Shabaab is down but not out, and it is evolving, and plots to take advantage of the resulting chaos to regain power.

To prevent this from happening, the international community should now focus on ensuring the final stages of the roadmap’s implementation are not rigged by its signatories and technical selection committee (charged with vetting individuals nominated for parliament), and that the new leaders and institutions in Mogadishu create a foundation for national unity rather than an acrimonious “winner-takes-all” outcome.

The current political and legal quagmire transpired because the signatories to the “end of transition roadmap” (six unaccountable leaders from the government and regional administrations under the auspices of the UN Political Office for Somalia) controlled and dominated it. For more than ten months, they acted as though they were the roadmap’s sole owners, rather than merely its supervisors. Short-term political expediency – at the expense of legality, transparency and fair play – became the norm. In the rush to monopolise the roadmap’s implementation they ignored the Transitional Federal Charter, bypassed the parliament, sidelined the cabinet, and otherwise manipulated the process in an effort to predetermine who would lead the next Somali government. The adoption of a new “provisional” constitution is their only tangible achievement – though this too was manipulated, heavily criticised by traditional elders and civil society and only promulgated after protracted and disputed negotiations.

Sustained public outcry and intense international pressure forced the roadmap principals to shift two of the most important end-of-transition responsibilities – the selection of the national constituent assembly and parliamentarians – to a council of traditional elders, now sitting in Mogadishu. But this too they corrupted. Some elders foisted on the council were phony and, after two months of incessant delays and brazen politicking, the outcome was anything but dignified. Some elders allegedly nominated uneducated and objectionable individuals, some sold seats to highest bidders, and others even nominated their own family members.

Rather than deal with these issues, three of the signatories are busy electioneering. Puntland’s president, meanwhile, continues to insist on creating an upper house (to represent his state and other undetermined local authorities), even though establishing the lower house alone has become a daunting if not unattainable task. Indeed its formation may bring the whole roadmap to a grinding halt. Another signatory, the region of Galmudug’s president, was recently voted out – a move he refuses to concede – and the TFG president and prime minister are engaged in a public spat with each claiming the other is irrelevant and engaged in unlawful and unconstitutional adventures.

Barring a full-blown meltdown, the selection and ratification of the lower house parliamentarians (however tainted) could still be completed in coming days if not weeks. But then the new body must elect a speaker, deputies and a president. The president also has to appoint a prime minister within a month who must then assemble a cabinet in 30 days, pending approval of the parliament. All these tasks will take time and the earliest Somalia could realistically have a fully working government is late October.

To salvage a botched process and avoid its collapse, the signatories, traditional elders and the international community should ensure that:

- the transition process concludes in a responsible manner. The TFI’s mandate should not be extended, but nor should artificial deadlines be pursued at any cost. They must be a means to completing the protracted transition, not an end in themselves;

- neither the roadmap signatories nor the technical selection committee should frustrate the elders’ prerogative to appoint parliamentarians for their constituents. The committee should only transparently screen nominees according to the agreed minimal criteria. Only a court of law should be able to determine who is a warlord and who is a spoiler;

- both Somali politicians and the international community must resist zero-sum politics; having winners and losers will only undermine what has been achieved, particularly in the security front.

- the issue of an upper chamber of parliament – whether it represents regions or the traditional elders – should be determined by the new parliament, or an effective constituent assembly, not the roadmap signatories, since these issues are contentious, complicated and require careful deliberation devoid of time pressure and short-term political calculations; and

- if the roadmap signatories do not resolve their political differences within 60 days, and continue to manipulate the transition process, the international community should recognise Somalia’s council of elders (albeit with some bad apples) as the legal representatives of the Somali people and the depository of Somalia’s sovereignty. They should be asked to form a caretaker government that would ensure continuity of government and more importantly assume responsibility for concluding the end of the transition process and ushering in an inclusive and accountable government.

Time has run out for a smooth end to the current transitional institutions. Any further political turmoil will have an adverse effect on the fragile security and humanitarian gains. The international community, roadmap signatories and the traditional elders should not ignore the impending debacle, but work to find a speedy resolution to the impasse. The process should not be driven by artificial deadlines, but should be fair and free of manipulation, paving the way for a unifying national political dispensation.

source (http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/publication-type/media-releases/2012/africa/somalia-from-troubled-transition-to-a-tarnished-transition.aspx)

This whole thing is simply a waste that is made more complex than it should be. Those animals are simply intellectually incapable of doing anything except steal.

Fire everyone and put a new cabinet of technocrats in charge.

So what's exactly happening now?

Typical TFG nonsense; they are delaying it as long as possible. It's been 9 days and still no president. I wonder how this so called government is going to sustain itself once the UN and AMISOM eventually leaves.

On a bright note, they elected a new speaker: http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/maqal_iyo_muuqaal/2012/08/120828_baarlamaan.shtml

http://wscdn.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2012/08/28/120828183635_somali_speaker_224x280_reuters_nocredit.jpg
Maxamed Cismaan Jawaari

Also, Al Shabab kicked out of Marka. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/maqal_iyo_muuqaal/2012/08/120825_amisom_marka.shtml)

Aad ayaan ugu faraxsanahay in Prof Jawaari loo doortey gudoomiyaha Baarlamanka he is a true leader well educated with great experience,waxaan rajeenaa in ee MPs ee doortaan Madaxweyne asigana fiican oo dhibatada aan ku jirno naga saaro,my dream team would be
President:Farmaajo/Baadiyow
Prime minister:Baadiyow/Farmaajo
President of the House of Representatives:Jawaari.

hambalyo umadda Somaliyeed madama oo AL SHAYDAAN laga xureyey magalada Marka.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/war/2012/09/120920_qarax.shtml

Fock Al Shaydaan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/war/2012/09/120920_qarax.shtml

Fock Al Shaydaan.

Suicide bombing was not known to Somalis until those donkey fockers from Pakistan, Afghanistan and that region entered Somalia.

they kidnap youngsters and brainwash them to commit these acts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2187374/Al-Qaedas-brutal-new-weapons-Children-kidnapped-kept-chains-taught-suicide-bombers.html

I'd appreciate it if silly 'stereotypes' were kept out of the Somali forum. These suicide bombers are Somali, it does not matter who brought this type of indiscriminate warfare inside our borders, its certain Somalis who embraced it and are using it to devastating effect. You can't absolve our 'degenerates' from their fault just because of its origins, otherwise every war in the continent can be blamed on the Security Council members for their arm-shipments. That means blaming Russians every-time a person in Africa shoots someone else with an AK-47.

In any case, these methods won't deter the peace-loving Somalis on the ground, the owner of that restaurant is determined to continue to build and expand his popular restaurant and cafe-chains.

We need to make the scenario change from Al Shabab becoming a threat to our existence to one like in the West where security from terrorism is important but it doesn't impact our day to day lives. Al Shabab is not indestructible, they run at the sight of AU/Ethiopian troops like the skinny rats they are. They are only formidable in the eyes of the people that they attack in cowardly bombings (Somalis).

That is why building Somalia's army is so crucial. Although the clan system is a problem, it is nowhere near as toxic as the sectarian divisions seen in places like Iraq. It is obvious that the army not being the strong institution that it was before the war is the giant void that keeps Somalia in the problem it is today, it's not even the government. The new president of Somalia should protest against the arms embargo that keeps Somalia from building it's army and staying dependent on mercenaries.

We need to make the scenario change from Al Shabab becoming a threat to our existence to one like in the West where security from terrorism is important but it doesn't impact our day to day lives. Al Shabab is not indestructible, they run at the sight of AU/Ethiopian troops like the skinny rats they are. They are only formidable in the eyes of the people that they attack in cowardly bombings (Somalis).

That is why building Somalia's army is so crucial. Although the clan system is a problem, it is nowhere near as toxic as the sectarian divisions seen in places like Iraq. It is obvious that the army not being the strong institution that it was before the war is the giant void that keeps Somalia in the problem it is today, it's not even the government. The new president of Somalia should protest against the arms embargo that keeps Somalia from building it's army and staying dependent on mercenaries.

Yep, I agree. I think it's really imperative that Somalia develops a professional, competent and efficient security apparatus as soon as possible - building the national army should be one of the top priorities. I don't think the UN will lift the arms embargo in a rush though.

If anyone wants to watch the UN Mini-Summit on Somalia:

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/mini-summit-on-somalia/1863049201001

Although cut short, there were some very encouraging speeches. I especially liked the speech the acting Prime Minister, Abdiweli, gave at the end.

By Cyrus Ombati
Friday, September 28, 2012

Kenya Defence Forces alongside Amisom have taken control of Al Shabaab stronghold and headquarters of Kismayo in Somalia.

Kenya military spokesman Colonel Cyrus Oguna said Kismayo fell at 2am Friday after a fierce battle with the terror militants.

The troops are urging the residents of the port to avoid areas under their control to avoid any form of collateral damage.

The port was the last bastion for the Somalia militants al-Shabaab which has been in control for the last couple of years.

Department of Defence headquarters said in a tweet the troops are in control of Kismayo without elaboration.

“KDF troops have taken control of Kismayo. Residents are advised to avoid areas where KDF and Somalia National Army troops are to avoid collateral damage,” said KDF in a tweet.

Spokesman Col. Oguna said the first group of troops arrived at Kismayo at about 2 am on Friday.

“Yes our troops are in control of Kismayo and urge residents to avoid the areas they are for now,” said Col Oguna.

The incident came two days after KDF jets and ships destroyed Al-Shabaab armoury store and warehouse after shelling Kismayo airport in an attack that shaped up the take over of the port.

It was the second time in less than a month that the troops were hitting Kismayo. Other reports indicated Islamist group Hizbul Islam has broken ranks with Al-shabaab militants. This has weakened the gang in many ways.

Lobby groups had warned that there could be many more civilian casualties in the battle ground which often go unreported.

The AMISOM forces are now pacifying the port of Kismayo—seen as the bedrock of the Al Shabaab militants.

Kenyan forces have warned civilians to keep off targeted towns, including Kismayo which are likely to experience major confrontations in the coming weeks.

“The capture of Kismayo is imminent. Kenya Government extends amnesty to Kenyans fighting in Somalia as Alshabaab. Retreat peacefully now,” said KDF in an earlier tweet as they headed for the port city.

There are tens of Kenyans who crossed to Somalia to fight alongside the militants. Some have been killed there while others are yet to come back.

The troops added they are concerned about the safety and security of civilians as efforts to capture Kismayo gather momentum and urged them to stay clear of Al Shabaab targets.

They also appealed to humanitarian agencies to come to the aid of the people fleeing to areas liberated by AMISOM and Somali security forces.

The troops have captured various towns in their advance to Kismayo, resulting to the killing of more than 1000 Al Shabaan militants.

Source: Standard

Hiiraan.com (http://hiiraan.com/news4/2012/Sept/26156/al_shabaab_stronghold_kismayo_falls.aspx)

^^ I hope this is true. Soomaaliya hanoolaato.

Finally. :)

I'd appreciate it if silly 'stereotypes' were kept out of the Somali forum. These suicide bombers are Somali, it does not matter who brought this type of indiscriminate warfare inside our borders, its certain Somalis who embraced it and are using it to devastating effect. You can't absolve our 'degenerates' from their fault just because of its origins, otherwise every war in the continent can be blamed on the Security Council members for their arm-shipments. That means blaming Russians every-time a person in Africa shoots someone else with an AK-47.

In any case, these methods won't deter the peace-loving Somalis on the ground, the owner of that restaurant is determined to continue to build and expand his popular restaurant and cafe-chains.

I understand.

I was just commenting on the source of the problem. I hear there are foreigners who are within Al-shabaab group that Somali Al Shabaab members don't even get to see. The fact still remains, this ugly suicide bombing started when runaway Afghani/Pakistani Al Qaeda entered our soil.

My point is this, as well as everything else, Somalia's border control need to be enforced and strengthened so ill minded foreign criminals don't just enter our country.

^Agreed, disbanding the once powerful Somali Armed Forces in the retaliation to the late dictator was the biggest mistake we made, it allowed those elements to infiltrate the country.

Yep, I agree. I think it's really imperative that Somalia develops a professional, competent and efficient security apparatus as soon as possible - building the national army should be one of the top priorities. I don't think the UN will lift the arms embargo in a rush though.

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They are drawing up the final agreement package. Somalia asked Turkey to train and equip its Army and Police forces. The Turkish PM agreed and now the two Generals: General Necdet of Turkey and General Dini of Somalia accompanied by 25 (former and current Military Generals in the Somali Army), They will write down "The Somalia Security Sector Rehabilitation' Plan and then in a week or two, the Elected President Dr. Hassan Sheikh will come to Turkey to sign the Bi-Lateral agreement.

They should try to rebuild it to what it was before the war (battalions, etc). It's not like Somalia never had a good military before, why do we need others to show us what we did before. Still I do appreciate the Turks move...

I heard the Turks are now moving on to Puntland. I'll search for some details but if anyone has seen any, please post!

Interesting that President Hassan Sheikh visited Baidoa today...what point is he trying to make by turning down international conferences and visiting homeland towns? If he is trying to improve his credibility then i applaud him, hopefully Somalis will listen to their leader and put down the gun and the bundle of khat.

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He is going to regions within in the country to let the people in those regions know what he is going to do the up coming four years that he is in power. Also, to get ideas of the people what kind of a prime minister they want or will like to have.

It is good that he is visiting the homeland regions in an act of warmth towards his people, but how exactly will he gain ideas from the public community about a PM? Does he expect the local population to just shout out names of politicians they would want as a PM? I think he is better off making use of his close associates (given that they're honest advisors) to make a decision about it.

Lot's is expected from this new government/president. I sense hope and I'm hoping no more disappointment will follow. Kheyr inshallah

It is good that he is visiting the homeland regions in an act of warmth towards his people, but how exactly will he gain ideas from the public community about a PM? Does he expect the local population to just shout out names of politicians they would want as a PM? I think he is better off making use of his close associates (given that they're honest advisors) to make a decision about it.
In aan idin laa tashado aa rabaa micnaheeda waa aqoon yahanada reer Baay and Baydhabo fikradooda ayuu rabaa in oo maqlo oo keliya.

In aan idin laa tashado aa rabaa micnaheeda waa aqoon yahanada reer Baay and Baydhabo fikradooda ayuu rabaa in oo maqlo oo keliya.

Kolayba, Soomaali Maxamad maslaxadeeda haduu ka shaqeeyo, waa fikir aan soo dhoweynaya.

Kolayba, Soomaali Maxamad maslaxadeeda haduu ka shaqeeyo, waa fikir aan soo dhoweynaya.

Insha Allah 21 sano laasoo dhaafey sidda aan Madaxweyne Hassan Sheikh aan kalsooni ugu qabo qof aan uu qabey maa jiro.laakin shacabka waa in ee laa shaqeyaan asiga keliya waxba maa bedeli karro.21 sanno ee laasoo dhaafey Madaxweyne Hassan Sheikh gobolada Somalia badan kooda oo dhan ayuu shaqooyin lagu hormorinaayo nolosha iyo waxbarashada umadda Soomaliyeed kaa soo qabtey, siddaas darteed Kalsooni iyo dulqaad ayuu naga mudanyahay.

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Wafdi heer wasiiro ah oo ka socda Dowladda Britain ayaa maanta Muqdisho kula kulmay Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud, waxayna labada dhinac ka wada hadleen sidii loo caawin lahaa Dowladda cusub ee Soomaaliya u dhalatay.
Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud oo kulankaasi kadib Saxaafadda la hadlay ayaa sheegay in wafdiga heerka Wasiir ee soo booqday Muqdisho ay ka wada hadleen xiriirka labada dhinac iyo sidii loo hormarin lahaa.
“Waxaan ka wada hadlay cilaaqaadka ku saabsan Dowladda Soomaaliya iyo Ingiriiska, waxaa kaloo ka wada hadalnay in Dowladda cusub ee aan KMG aheyn iney toos ula macaamili doonto, ayna ka saacidi doonto baahida Dowladda Soomaaliya soo gudbiso, waxaana ka filayaa in dhawaan ay ka jawaabto qorshaha aan soo gudbino.
Wasiirada horumarinta caalamiga ah ee Britain Justine Green oo iyadana la hadashay ayaa sheegtay in Dowladeeda ay diyaar u tahay taageerada Dowladda cusub ee Soomaaliya, iyadoo ku dhawaaqday in Britain ay ku taageereyso Dowladda cusub £48 Malyan oo lacagta Britain.


Britain is strengthening its relations with Somalia by offering a security package to the federal government

I can see that this thread hasnt been updated recently. A new PM has been named - he is an economist and businessman.


New Prime Minister Named.

Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, Somalia's new president, has named Abdi Farah Shirdon Saaid as the country's new prime minister, diplomats and a government source said.

Friday's appointment is the first major decision by an administration installed after over 20 years of conflict.

Saaid, a political newcomer, has been a prominent businessman in neighbouring Kenya and is married to Asha Haji Elmi, an influential Somali peace activist.

A Western diplomat said Saaid had a reputation for being above Somalia's notoriously volatile clan politics, similar to the new president, and the news of his appointment would be welcomed by foreign governments.

"Like all the decisions the new president has made so far, this is a good one, and Somalia is on a bit of a roll with the election of (Mohamed Osman) Jawaari as parliament speaker and Mohamud as president," the diplomatic source told the Reuters news agency.

Mohamud, a former academic and a political newcomer himself, was elected president in a secret ballot on September 10, a result hailed by his supporters as a vote for change in the Horn of Africa state ravaged by war and anarchy since 1991.

Saaid's appointment as the prime minister will have to be approved by Somali legislators, diplomatic sources said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/10/2012106143336746746.html

The new parliament has swiftly approved the president's appointed PM.

Somalia MPs approve Shirdon as the new prime minister

Members of Somalia's parliament have approved the appointment of Abdi Farah Shirdon as the new prime minister. The MPs unanimously backed the ex-businessman, nominated by newly elected President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud. Before the vote Mr Shirdon said he would form "an effective government to deal with current situation".

Addressing MPs, President Mohamud said he was confident the new prime minister would do something about the "country's difficult situation". The biggest challenge facing Somalia's new UN-backed leaders is the al-Qaeda-aligned Islamist group, al-Shabab.

Mr Shirdon took the oath of office shortly after the vote and his next task is to form a cabinet. An economics graduate, Mr Shirdon has been based in Kenya's capital, Nairobi, since the civil war in Somalia began in 1991. In April, he co-founded the Rajo Council, or Hope Council, in Nairobi, which he said aimed to bring Somalis together to reclaim the country. He is married to Aisha Hagi Elmi, a prominent Somali MP and outspoken voice on women's issues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19979371

A small cabinet of 10 ministers has been named. This is significant news considering that previous cabinets have been 18 and 26 ministers respectively. Two of the ten new ministers are women and they hold very important porfolios.

New Somali Prime Minister Appoints Leaner Cabinet

Somalia's new prime minister has named a leaner cabinet as the country attempts to establish its first fully functioning government after decades of anarchy.

Abdi Farah Shirdon on Sunday announced the appointments of 10 cabinet ministers, downsizing the executive from the previous 18 in the transitional government whose mandate ended in August. He said his government would restore security and rebuild Somalia's economy.

Shirdon appointed two female ministers, including the first female Foreign Minister Fowziya Yusuf Aden as well as Maryan Qasim who was appointed Public Services Development minister.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/somali-prime-minister-appoints-leaner-cabinet-17637433#.UKPBiqMa_Ck

Somali parliament endorses downsized Cabinet in victory for new prime minister

MOGADISHU, Somalia — In a sign Somalia’s government may be willing to move away from its corrupt past, the parliament on Tuesday approved a smaller, 10-member Cabinet in a vote that serves as an important victory for the country’s new prime minister.

Parliamentary speaker Mohmed Sheik Osman Jawari said 219 parliamentarians endorsed the Cabinet in a vote Tuesday. Three voted against and three abstained. The Cabinet, formed by Somali Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon, is expected to be sworn in next week.

The naming of the smaller Cabinet is the latest change undergone by the government this year. A new interim constitution has been passed, a new parliament was seated and a new president was voted in. The U.N. representative for Somalia, Augustine Mahiga, hailed the naming of two women ministers: the minister of foreign affairs, who also serves as deputy prime minister, and the minister of development and social services.

“This is another important milestone in the history of Somalia,” Mahiga said. “The appointment of clean slate of just 10 ministers conclusively demonstrates the will of the Somali leadership to move away from the mindset of the past and bring about positive change.”

Mahiga added: “The new council of ministers represents a broad spectrum of political shades and membership while taking equality and representation into account. It also reflects the cultural and social realities of today’s Somalia.”

European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said the limited size of the Cabinet will help the government implement key priorities. Past Somali governments have been bloated with huge numbers of ministries designed to appease certain clans.

The new Cabinet must continue the rebuilding of the country after years of warfare with al-Shabab militants, who continue to unleash suicide attacks in Mogadishu.

“What we want is security for ourselves and property from al-Shabab and the unruly soldiers. Then we can talk about developments,” Ali Abdullahi, a Mogadishu resident said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/somali-parliament-endorses-downsized-cabinet-in-victory-for-new-prime-minister/2012/11/13/d3098af6-2d95-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html

So far, everything seems to be going smoothly for the new government. The next big hurdle they will have to tackle is the reconstitution of the security sector and strenghtening of local governance across all the regions. It is interesting to note that the new president, parliament (MP's), speaker and PM all seem to be working well together and are, albeit gradually, getting things done. On another note, the international community also seems intent on supporting the new government and countries and multinational organisation varying from Turkey, China, Egypt, U.S, U.K and the E.U are increasing their support for the new Somali government and are - most importantly - starting to deal directly with the new SOmali government.

I think much credit goes to the new parliament as most of the new MP's are "daacad" and 'clean'. If one looks through the list of the names of the new MP's, you will see that there are some great people in there; there are many prominent activists who have all in their own way worked tirelessly over the past 20 years to help the Somali people; people with a track record of being "wadani", efficient and uncorrupt who will most certainly keep everyone else on their tip-toes. Lastly, apparently >60% of the new MP's have a university degree.

Interesting times. :cheers:

A topic that has seen major developments in recent months has been the rebuilding of a Somali Military. The U.S, Turkey and Egypt have all stated that in their different capacities, they will train, arm and fund a "new" Somali Military. Turkey and Egypt's offers have as of yet only been pledges rather than concrete planned action. The U.S on the other hand has indicated that it has a thorough and comprehensive plan to rebuild the Somali military and to [eventually] do away with AMISOM.

THE U.S.A Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson said the following:

The second major issues under focus was Somalia. Secretary Clinton also participated in this meeting. Somalia is a good news story for the region, for the international community, but most especially for the people of Somalia itself. Over the past 12 months we have seen the completion of the transitional roadmap ending the TFG and creating a new Somali Government. For the first time in nearly two decades, Somalia has a new provisional constitution. It has a newly selected parliament which is half the size of the former parliament and comprises some 18 percent women and whose membership is comprised of some 60 percent university graduates. There's been a new speaker selected and a new president elected. Great progress has been achieved in Somalia, and this is in large measure because of the combined efforts of IGAD, the African Union, the UN and the international community, and especially the United States.

At this meeting, we heard from Somalia's new president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, and it was broadly agreed that the international community would support the new emphasis in priorities of the government.

For our part in Washington, we are determined to do three things. One is to help the new government put in place the infrastructure so that it can run effectively. This means helping to create effective government ministries, have those ministries staffed with effective civil servants and advisors so that they can carry out their government functions.

The second is to help to create a new Somali national army, an army that is subservient to civilian and constitutional control, an army that is able to work alongside of AMISOM and take on increasingly new responsibilities that are much broader than anything AMISOM has been equipped and manned to do. But creating a new strong Somali army, to eventually replace AMISOM is a second priority. And third priority is to provide assistance to the government so that it can deliver services to the people so that it can rebuild and refurbish and re-staff schools, hospitals, and medical clinics, provide assistance so that it can begin to deal with some of its smaller infrastructure issues, providing clean water to populations, helping to restore electrical power and also opening up markets. We also want to help in developing small enterprise and microcredit operations to help the government as well.

So we will be working there. As I said, Secretary Clinton was there. We think Somalia has made enormous progress. We also believe there has been significant military progress against al-Shabaab. AMISOM deserves an enormous amount of credit in driving al-Shabab out of Mogadishu and its environs and also moving against the city of Kismayo. Much credit for the operations in Kismayo go to the Kenyan forces who were a part of AMISOM, but we must praise the leadership of the Ugandan commanders who have led the AMISOM mission over the last four years. But Uganda, Burundi, Djibouti, Kenya all deserve credit, and they will soon be joined by forces arriving literally today and tomorrow from Sierra Leone to help strengthen AMISOM. But the international community has been in unison with IGAD and the AU, and the U.S. has been a significant and major contributor to this effort.

I stress that in the case of Somalia, where we have seen enormous progress over the last 12 months, and in fact, continuously over the last three, three and a half years, there has been a clear commitment by all who were engaged there to follow a common strategy and adopt a set of common views. EGAD and the East African community, who are the most important players around Somalia, the AU, the U.S., the UN and others have all had a common position. And I think that's why Somalia has achieved so much success over the last 12 months in terms of moving to a more permanent government and making the strides in success against al-Shabaab. We look to try to have the same kind of both regional and international cooperation on Mali.

we applaud the work of AMISOM and what they have done in helping to degrade and defeat and push al-Shabaab out of Somalia's main cities and towns. We believe that this will help to bring about a return to stability in Somalia and will reduce, over time, the terrorist threat to Somalis and to neighboring states. We believe that the Kenyan role in liberating the south as a part of AMISOM is important and deserves the support of both IGAD, the African Union, and the international community.

On this - on the first question that you asked, we have in Washington been strong supporters of AMISOM, major contributors to the AMISOM effort, largely by training and equipping AMISOM battalions that have gone into Somalia to help fight the al-Shabaab. Going forward, we would anticipate that most of our new and additional resources, as they come to us, will be directed at helping to train and provision a new Somali military, not to continue to expand AMISOM. The focus should be on creating a national Somali army that will take over from AMISOM and will assume the responsibilities of providing national security and defense for the nation.

I do not at this time have any dollar figures that I can share with you on what we would be providing to the Somali Government to train Somali military forces. We have done some of this in the past. We have trained small units of Somali TFG troops in Bihanga, Uganda at a military camp. We would expect that we will, over time, continue to do this and expand it and to make more of the training local in Somalia for both cost effectiveness and for political reasons. But we look at the focus going forward being directed at strengthening the Somali national military and not expanding the AMISOM effort, which has been extraordinarily valuable and important.

SOURCE (http://allafrica.com/stories/201210031333.html?viewall=1)

Three seperate delegations, from Turkey, China and Iran, have reached Mogadishu today and have held talks with the newly formed government. Iran will open an embassy in Mogadishu. Turkey and China announced more details on their plans to assist in reconstruction efforts.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13399120-foreign-ministers-from-iran-and-turkish-arrive-in-mogadishu

Turkish foreign minister addresses the new Somali Parliament.

Dowladda Turkiga Oo Dib U Dhis Ku Sameyneysa Xarunta Golaha Shacabka Ee Magaalada Muqdisho

Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda dalka aynu walaalaha nahay ee Turkiga oo maanta khudbad ka hor jeediyey xarunta golaha Shacabka ee magaalada Muqdisho xili ay ku kulansanaayeen Mudanayaasha Baarlamaanka ayaa sheegay in Dolwadda Turkigu ay dib u dhis xoogan ku sameyneyso dhismaha golaha Shacabka.

Ahmet Davutoglu Wasiirka Wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibadda ee dalka aynu walaalaha nahay ee Turkiga oo maanta booqasho ku yimid magaalada Muqdisho ayaa khudbadda uu ka jeediyey xarunta golaha shacabka wuxuu uga hadlay doorka dib u dhiska dalkeenna ay walaalaha Turkigu ku leeyihiin waxaana uu u tilmaamay in mashaariicda dib u dhis ee ay Walaalaha Turkigu ka sameynayaan Muqdisho ay ugu horeyso xarunta golaha shacabka.

“waxaan Muqdisho usoo dirnay Injineeradeenna si ay usoo qiimeeyaan waxa aynu ka qaban karno xarunta golaha shacabka inagoo ka jawaabeynay codsiga gudoomiyaha Baarlamaanka waxeyna noo sheegeen in xaruntan aysan ku filneyn dayactir oo ay dhulka dhigayaan kadibna ay ka hirgelinayaan dhisme casri ah,waxaanna rajeynaynaa inaan ku guuleysano”ayuu ku yiri Ahmet Davutoglu Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Turkiga khudbaddii uu ka hor jeediyey Xildhibaannada Baarlamaanka.

Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Turkiga Ahmet Davutoglu ayaa dhanka kale tilmaamay in Dowladda Turkigu aysan ka daaleyn taageerada shacabka iyo Dowladda walaalahooda ah ee Soomaaliya ilaa inta ay Dowladda Soomaaliyeed cagaheeda isugu taageyso waxaana uu u soo gudbiyey xildhibaannada Baarlamaanka,madaxda sare ee dalka iyo shacbiga Soomaaliyeed salaan uu ka siday madaxda sare ee dalka Turkiga sida Madaxweyne Cabdala Guul iyo Ra’isulwasaare Recep Tayib Erdogan.

Dalka Turkiga ayaa kaalinta hore uga jira dowladaha Caalamka ee taageerrada ballaaran siiya Dowladda iyo Dadka Soomaaliyeed ayadoo walaalaha Turkigana lagu xasuusto gudmadkii ay Soomaaliya u sameeyeen xiligii Abaaraha,deeqaha waxbarasho ee ay siiyeen Ubadkeenna, marti gelinta shirar aayaha Soomaaliya quseeyey iyo dad badan ay Argigixisadu si xun ugu dhaawaceen gudaha dalka oo dalkooda ay deeq caafimaad u geeyeen.

http://radiomuqdisho.net/dowladda-turkiga-oo-dib-u-dhis-ku-sameyneysa-xarunta-golaha-shacabka-ee-magaalada-muqdisho/

I can see that this thread hasnt been updated recently. A new PM has been named - he is an economist and businessman.

lol @ Economist and businessman. Man, you're innocent. :lol:

The PM, and maybe even the president too, are lifetime NGO thugs who enriched themselves through foreign aid contracts. At first it's easy to respect what they did (like the school projects), until you realize that it was nothing more than a business to them.

While the president is a typical NGO usurper, the PM is nothing short of a war criminal, and history easily proves that.

You see, Somali agriculture was in a stable state until the early 1980s. Until that period, food shortages via production was almost unknown, and Somalia was actually in a grain surplus during most of the 70s. Siad Barre brought the IMF and World Bank to Somalia in 1983, and they devalued the currency so Somalia could produce high-value fruits and cash crops for foreign markets. Much of the best land was given to Siad's clique as well. When Siad devalued the currency (on IMF/WB requests), traditional nomads and small farmers who drove the economy then became unable to purchase land or raw products. The donors additionally requested that Siad should only produce for the foreign market. Before this period, Somalia's agricultural industry produced primarily for the local market, which made food very cheap as well as abundant. Naturally, pastoral nomads earned food by bartering their herds to local grain producers, and it made Somalia very economically independent. The IMF's primary goal was to eliminate pastoral nomads through starvation, hence the currency devaluation, and the elimination of the nomads (who were middle men) would allow the IMF to intervene in the economy and take their place. To later offset the rapid decline in grain production, Siad began to import IMF/WB wheat for the domestic market, selling most of it directly so he could recoup some costs for his budget.

What does the current PM have to do with any of this? Sacid Farax Shirdon was put in charge of distributing wheat to Hargeisa and surrounding areas, which used to be one of the largest wheat production zones before the IMF/WB intervention. Sacid Farax Shirdon worked directly under the IMF/WB during this period, and he implemented their agenda. In the end, these policies disrupted the independent and stable partnership between the pastoral nomads and their farmer counterparts, and it has led to a vicious cycle that has taken far more Somali lives than any other phenomenon in our history. This man conspired with international criminals to ruin Somalia. All of the warlords you ever heard of, look like pussycats compared to this man.

I don't know about you, but a firing squad should be Shirdon's reward, not an appointment as PM.

lol @ Economist and businessman. Man, you're innocent. :lol:

The PM, and maybe even the president too, are lifetime NGO thugs who enriched themselves through foreign aid contracts. At first it's easy to respect what they did (like the school projects), until you realize that it was nothing more than a business to them.

While the president is a typical NGO usurper, the PM is nothing short of a war criminal, and history easily proves that.

You see, Somali agriculture was in a stable state until the early 1980s. Until that period, food shortages via production was almost unknown, and Somalia was actually in a grain surplus during most of the 70s. Siad Barre brought the IMF and World Bank to Somalia in 1983, and they devalued the currency so Somalia could produce high-value fruits and cash crops for foreign markets. Much of the best land was given to Siad's clique as well. When Siad devalued the currency (on IMF/WB requests), traditional nomads and small farmers who drove the economy then became unable to purchase land or raw products. The donors additionally requested that Siad should only produce for the foreign market. Before this period, Somalia's agricultural industry produced primarily for the local market, which made food very cheap as well as abundant. Naturally, pastoral nomads earned food by bartering their herds to local grain producers, and it made Somalia very economically independent. The IMF's primary goal was to eliminate pastoral nomads through starvation, hence the currency devaluation, and the elimination of the nomads (who were middle men) would allow the IMF to intervene in the economy and take their place. To later offset the rapid decline in grain production, Siad began to import IMF/WB wheat for the domestic market, selling most of it directly so he could recoup some costs for his budget.

What does the current PM have to do with any of this? Sacid Farax Shirdon was put in charge of distributing wheat to Hargeisa and surrounding areas, which used to be one of the largest wheat production zones before the IMF/WB intervention. Sacid Farax Shirdon worked directly under the IMF/WB during this period, and he implemented their agenda. In the end, these policies disrupted the independent and stable partnership between the pastoral nomads and their farmer counterparts, and it has led to a vicious cycle that has taken far more Somali lives than any other phenomenon in our history. This man conspired with international criminals to ruin Somalia. All of the warlords you ever heard of, look like pussycats compared to this man.

I don't know about you, but a firing squad should be Shirdon's reward, not an appointment as PM.

Well you are doing an honor to your nickname
shame on you Troll

Believe what you want. Every man with a degree is not your savior. Shirdon himself does not even deny his position at the IMF, so why are you defending a man who doesn't take shame in his crime?

Let's just give them all a chance before we accuse them of anything. Frankly I don't think it can't be any worse than 22 years of hell.

Somalis are paranoide creatures wallahi.

http://www.hiiraan.com/images/2012/Nov/Amin_Arts_Nov12_2012.jpg

I found this Hilarious, but jokes i aside it show how little power the new government has that it can't establish itself in Kismayo. the countries 3rd city and the port city for all of southern Somalia.

Soomaalida toosee!

CNN interview with Professor Ahmed Ismail Samatar.

http://cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2012/12/07/african-voices-ahmed-ismail-samatar-a.cnn

CNN interview with Professor Ahmed Ismail Samatar.

http://cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2012/12/07/african-voices-ahmed-ismail-samatar-a.cnn

I saw his other speech a while ago. The guy was damn disappointed and with a good reason too. But he shouldn't give him. Hiil-Qaran is the only party I'd vote for.

I saw his other speech a while ago. The guy was damn disappointed and with a good reason too. But he shouldn't give him. Hiil-Qaran is the only party I'd vote for.

+1

He's the best educated Somali I have seen. In addition, Mr. Samatar has a bright future as a leader, therefore, he should give it a go next election (god welling), because the country needs visionary leader like him.

Can we talk about this for a second?

Mayor Tarsan has a message for diaspora women, ‘cover up at the beach, or we’ll arrest you.’ Females deemed to be dressing ‘immodestly’ face 24hrs jail in Mogadishu. Mayor: Diaspora = bad mannered.

Next thing he’ll demand it everywhere. He is a mayor/governor and cannot pass laws.

Basically “You’re culturally bankrupt, and you need cultural re-education.”

He is exaggerating and creating animosity between the locals and diaspora. Very irresponsible. And besides the pic in the video is in Djibouti or Somaliland. Not that there is anything wrong with it.

This guy sounds like a mysgonistic warlord. There are other resources backing up what he said.

It's also a direct attack on the constitution:

Article 10. Human Dignity
(1) Human dignity is given by God to every human being, and this is the basis for all human rights.
(2) Human dignity is inviolable and must be protected by all.
(3) State power must not be exercised in a manner that violates human dignity.

Watch this short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cv18zF0f4vQ

In my opinion Tarsan should be focusing on more pressing issues. He doesn't have time for this.

Are u kidding me! war waxaan howl oo qabto maleh miyaa,in my opinion he should concentrate on dadka barakacsan ee teendhayaasha kuu nool,Nadafada magalada,musuq maasuqa dowlada hoose.maxaa kaa galay naag diraca ee waddato iyo kustumada uu xiran.war yaa Allah yaqaano every time u think things are going well there are still some Lunatics in this case the Mayor of Xamar doing this retarded comments.war waxa muhiinka ah kaa shagey nobody cares about a bunch of girls swimming in Lido in bikinis or whatever it is.

Your city has no proper sanitary system and you are worrying about what some women wear at the beach. :hahaha:

With all the more pressing matters at hand, the "manners" of diaspora people and the way women dress is what caught hid attention? What did he expect, women swiming with their xijaabs? What a joke!

War adhigan jaahilka ah iska qabta, wax la gadhayo hadi kale ma jirto.

He has the typical Somali problem of acting all big and saying whatever he wants. Can he just give orders like that or doesn't he have to go through the local municipality? Mise wuxuu moodey waayihii Siyaad Barre :D

He has the typical Somali problem of acting all big and saying whatever he wants. Can he just give orders like that or doesn't he have to go through the local municipality? Mise wuxuu moodey waayihii Siyaad Barre :D


kkkkk waaba laa yaabey sxb he is kinda of a Populist,Remember he is looking for sympathies from the local ppl to still be the mayor of Mogadishu the next 4 years to come with this silly comments !!!!! in my opinion President Hassan should name a Young progressive Man or Women for the Mayor of Xamar.as the city is going to get a makeover the next 5 year.

WASHINGTON - (Reuters) - The United States will on Thursday officially recognize the Somali government in Mogadishu, ending a hiatus of more than 20 years and opening the door to increased U.S. and international economic help for the violence-plagued African nation, a senior U.S. official said on Wednesday.

http://hiiraan.com/news4/2013/Jan/27725/u_s_to_recognize_somali_government_opening_door_to_new_aid.aspx

This is a major policy shift by the US as far as failed state Somalia is concerned.

Somali President Appoints New Central Bank Director
http://www.ogadentoday.com/images/news/Cabdisalaam_Hadliye1.jpg
Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud has appointed economist Abdisalam Omer director of Somalia's Central Bank, Hiiraan Online reported Wednesday (January 16th).

Omer, who holds a doctorate in public administration from the University of Tennessee in the United States, was previously the director of the UN Development Programme's governance and financial services programme in Somalia. He also worked at the World Bank and was the chief business officer for the public school system in Washington, DC.

He promised to revive Somalia's Central Bank, which has not operated consistently since before 1991. At present, Omer is in Washington, DC meeting with officials from the World Bank and other international institutions.

Quite a few latest developments:

Renewing relations with China and South Africa.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90883/8115331.html

http://m.voanews.com/1593795.html

Somalia beginning 'profound transformation' according to the UN's top political office. A proposal to bring UN troops to the country is under consideration.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44040&Cr=somalia&Cr1=#.UQp1-btAH5Y

And of course the presidents visit to Continental Europe and The UK.

I don't think bringing UN troops is a good idea. Having too many countries involved can complicate things.

Your city has no proper sanitary system and you are worrying about what some women wear at the beach. :hahaha:


You nailed bro :lol:

I don't think bringing UN troops is a good idea. Having too many countries involved can complicate things.

That is true. Im not sure how effective UN troops are and also they have a tendency to get entrenched once they enter a country. The medium-long term solution is building a capable Somali military, reviving the SNA to its former state.

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No UN please!!! a strong SNA that is what we need.With UN on your soul u will always have that unsafe country tag.plus we are not at war with the neighboring country's so there is no need fo UN to come in.

There is no need for more foreign troops. Actually I think it's time that they actually start plans for AMISOM withdrawal so the Somali military can transition to take care of the situation on it's own. I think this is a ruse to keep Somalia as a UN protectorate. Everyone knows that the way to end to war in Somalia is through a competent Somali military. I guess the idea gives some certain countries chills and they want to keep it down as long as they can.

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There is no need for more foreign troops. Actually I think it's time that they actually start plans for AMISOM withdrawal so the Somali military can transition to take care of the situation on it's own.
They haven't even taken Kismayo yet, you think the Somali military would be able to fight off Al-Shabab on their own?

They haven't even taken Kismayo yet, you think the Somali military would be able to fight off Al-Shabab on their own?

He's saying the shift of focus shouldn't be to more foreign troops but to rebuild the SNA. And fyi, Kismaayo is taken.

Foreign troops is definitely a temporarily solution and I understand that people rather see Somali troops sooner than later, but all I'm saying is that the shift of military personnel shouldn't be rushed. It takes years to build a strong military, even longer to educate competent generals. You seem to be right about the port city (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19769058), but as the map in the article shows, they still control huge parts of the country.

Foreign troops is definitely a temporarily solution and I understand that people rather see Somali troops sooner than later, but all I'm saying is that the shift of military personnel shouldn't be rushed. It takes years to build a strong military, even longer to educate competent generals. You seem to be right about the port city (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19769058), but as the map in the article shows, they still control huge parts of the country.

Worry about your on nation who's on self destruct mode..

Worry about your on nation who's on self destruct mode..
:lol: Epic bravo couldn't have said better lolz

Worry about your on nation who's on self destruct mode..
There's no need to be hostile, I haven't said anything disrespectful. I am worrying about my nation, hence why I advocate for a strong/stable Somali military before rushing for a shift.

Foreign troops is definitely a temporarily solution and I understand that people rather see Somali troops sooner than later, but all I'm saying is that the shift of military personnel shouldn't be rushed. It takes years to build a strong military, even longer to educate competent generals. You seem to be right about the port city (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19769058), but as the map in the article shows, they still control huge parts of the country.

There is no rush. The rebuilding of the army is in the planning stages and Somalia has plenty of competent generals from before the war. Turkey had currently signed a bilateral agreement to train the new army and the USA has pledged support. As we speak the EU is training troops in Uganda and will shift this to Mog soon. Also, AMISOM and former SNA trainers are currently training troops in Mog. All that's needed is for the arms embargo to go and that is in motion.

Intaas ku margo :lol:

Walee once the greatest Army in east Africa in ee soo noqoto dad ayee naxdin ku heysaa kkk We will be back!!!!

Worry about your on nation who's on self destruct mode..

That was unnecessary sxb. Waxba hadalka sidaa looma cadeeyo, ilkaha ayaa loo cadeeyaa adigoo dantaada wata.

President Hassan’s official tour to the US, EU and the UK .

President Hassan in USA.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_ZyepAbz89k/UPp0a26t9WI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/jEN8lkPqsYM/s1600/_hassan_washington_5.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n4nyQASUN1w/UPp0TazNabI/AAAAAAAAAGI/iQIIAQx8FAk/s1600/_hassan_washington_1.jpg

US recognizes Somalia’s government for the first time in 22 years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/world/africa/somalia-us-recognizes-government.html?_r=0

Meetings with the Somali Americans and encouraging them to help the motherland.

http://allsoomaali.com/allsoomaali/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Allsoomaali.com-1715.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy341/mogadishutimes/Soo%20dhaweynta%20Madaxweynaha/IMG_0287.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21096483


EUROPEAN UNION

http://tvnewsroom.consilium.europa.eu/images/thumbs/images/thumbs/http_c96825.r25.cf3.rackcdn.com/somalia-pc_477_318shar.jpg

“...We agreed to enhance relations between Somalia and the EU,..." said European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso. "We believe there is a real commitment to go forward."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gqguJX42utU7bOQKzSeSFbovUIEg?docId=CNG.80f563a2511d1c56bf58b7ba163923a6.171

UNITED KINGDOM
Somalia UK relations
http://hiiraan.com/images/2013/Feb/hassan_cam1.jpg
http://hiiraan.com/news/2013/Feb/wararka_maanta4-20770.htm

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Here's the president with President Ahmedinejad of Iran. Iran is opening it's embassy in Somalia I believe.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/560156_350013448445234_1830775840_n.jpg

Mr President oo dib dalka ugu soo noqdey Kadib markii oo guulo diblomasiyeed uu soo hoyey Dowlada Somalia.

Welcome back Mr President.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy341/mogadishutimes/Soo%20dhaweynta%20Madaxweynaha/IMG_0287.jpg


Damn, talk about a full house, Manshallah :lol:

Interview with Xassan Shiikh Maxamuud.

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Amateurism Interviewer!!!!!!(i know the guy works for BBC but i mean Somali media channels in general) President Hassan is such a calm man with a vision.some Questions were straight up Bar talk lol we need a pro Media is Somalia ASAP i cant stand this so called journalists anymore!!! they miss all the basics you need to be one

1 Poor command of the Somali Language
2 bad editing by Interviews
3 No production value

That is why i dont watch any Somali Channels.

We need a big National tv with trained pros.
News studios
Sound and Video editors
Production Value

I know it is not the priority right now,but the Government should look for Some investors Maybe in Turkey or Norway to build a Modern Media center in Somalia.cuz right now watching any Somali channel is cringe worth!!!!

No state involvement in media please. Keep it to private investors.

No state involvement in media please. Keep it to private investors.

Why not Sxb look at the BBC (state Owned) Rai Italia,NOS Netherland,FT France, to name few all are state owned TV stations.i believe that there will be room for both state and private TV channels:)

Yeah state tv should be a 24hour News and Economic analysis just like the ABC in
Australia

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21ST OCTOBER IS A BLACK DAY FOR SOMALI HISTORY,

NO OCTOBER 21
NO AFWEYNE

Ayatulahi, walaal horta qof marxuum ah cayda ka daa oo Ilaahay ka baq.Teeda kale Maxamed Siyaad Barre sidaad doonto u jecloow ama u necbow wuxuu ahaa hogaamiye kamid aha hogaamiyeyaashi dalkeena soo maray. Dabcan dowlad kasta oo jirta ama jirtay khaladaad wey gashaa laakiin hadaan miisaanka saarno dhibka dilka iyo burburka labaatanka sanno la soo dhaafay iyo sida uu dalka ahaa wakhtigii kacaanka ee ka hirgalay dalka 1969 kuna ekaa 1991 waxaan la oran karaa boqolkiiba boqol waxaa la qaatay xiligii dowladii kacaanka ey jirtay waayo waxaynuu aheen dal aduunko oo dhan laga ixtiraamo oo madax banaan islamarkaana tiigsanayay yool ama wado horumareed. Kolkaa waxaan kuu sheegayaa af Soomaaliga aynu maanta qoraalka ku soo gudbineyno oo aan ku faaneyno inuu Kacaanki dadaal, muruq iyo maalba ku bixiyay sidii loo aasaaso qoraalka af Soomaaliga waxaa taa kuu sii dheer in aynu wakhtigii kacaankii noqonay wadan kamid ah qaarada Africa oo dhanka militiriga ama gaashandhiga ugu awooda badan. Isku soo wada duub, Kacaanka wuxuu kamid yahay taariikhda ummada Soomaaliyeed, Soomaaliya iyo Soomaaliweyn oo dhan.

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Xuseen...

Brothers lets not get into Politics.we all come here together to share the development of our beloved country.we may have different view on many issues including the politics but lets keep that out of this section. waa mahadsantihiin.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130227/un-set-ease-somalia-arms-embargo

:cheers:

President Hassan Sheikh in Doha for Somalia-Qatar relationship

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The Musicians from the Qatari Navy have played our National Anthem very beautifully i must say.


Soomaaliyeey toosoo
Toosoo isku tiirsada ee
Hadba kiina taagdaranee
Taageera waligiinee

what a meaningful words!!!! wish that from now on everyone will listen and remember those wise words.

The Somaliland administration's restrictions on people travelling to Mogadishu, which have resulted in some high profile arrests, infringe on the rights of citizens, human rights advocates say.


http://sabahionline.com/shared/images/2013/03/06/somaliland-silanyo-travel-340_227.jpg (http://sabahionline.com/shared/images/2013/03/06/somaliland-silanyo-travel.jpg) Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo's administration has arrested several people for traveling to Mogadishu. [Ali Musa Abdi/AFP]

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Local council campaigns begin in Somaliland (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2012/10/31/feature-02)
Somaliland police arrest Somali lawmaker (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2013/02/07/newsbrief-05)



The February 12th arrest of well-known clan elder Rabi Yusuf Abdullahi (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2013/02/13/newsbrief-05) is one of the latest in a series of cases involving prominent local citizens accused of violating the administration's Mogadishu travel ban.
Abdullahi went to Mogadishu in August to participate in forming the Somali Federal Government. He has remained in jail for more than three weeks as prosecutors build a case against him.
Somaliland declared itself a sovereign state in 1991, however, its secession from Somalia has not been recognised by the Somali Federal Government or the international community.
"It is a fundamental right for a person to go anywhere he pleases without having any restrictions imposed on him," said Ahmed Yusuf Hussein, director of the Hargeisa-based Horn Human Rights Umbrella.
"Someone should not be arrested or charged for what he believes, and it is wrong to jail him for his political ideas if he is not causing any trouble," he told Sabahi, adding that international laws and the Somaliland constitution protect citizens' freedom of political thought and expression.
Nonetheless, a government order restricts politicians, party leaders and traditional leaders from travelling to and from Mogadishu, according to Somaliland Minister of Interior Mohamed Nur Arrale.
"There is an order at the airport to prevent party leaders, politicians and cultural leaders from travelling to or coming from Mogadishu, which is a place we disagree with on politics and with an administration that is claiming [Somaliland]," Arrale was quoted as saying in an interview with independent newspaper Geeska Afrika on December 28th.
The Somaliland administration is in talks with the Somali Federal Government, which Arrale said could be undermined if prominent figures from Somaliland also engage independently in that dialogue.
The interview appeared two days after Berbera airport police blocked former deputy chairman of the ruling Kulmiye party Abdirahman Abdulkadir Farah and former Somaliland Minister of Youth, Sports and Tourism Mohamud Said Mohamed from boarding a flight to Mogadishu.
Farah and Mohamed said they were travelling to Mogadishu to sell property they owned there.
Incidents date to 2012

Politicians and other officials have been caught up in the travel ban since last year, despite indications that the Somaliland administration is willing to enter talks with the Somali Federal Government.
On October 19th, chairman of the Somaliland Football Federation Ahmed Mohamud Sheikh Muhumed was arrested in Berbera with athletics association official Mohamed Hussein Dhabeye after they returned from a visit to Mogadishu.
The two were accused of going to Mogadishu to meet with the Somali Football Federation. They were released after a few days.
On February 13th, a member of the upper house of parliament, Ahmed Hassan Salah, and his wife were stopped at airport on their way to Mogadishu. Zamzam Abdi, Salah's wife, who spoke to independent newspaper Hatuf about the incident, said she and her husband were going to Mogadishu to sell their house.
Even though they were prevented from boarding one flight, Abdi said the administration eventually gave them written permission to leave on another flight after the family provided evidence that their trip was apolitical.
On February 23rd, Somaliland deported Somali parliamentarian Jama Mohamud (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2013/02/24/newsbrief-03) after a regional court in Marodi-Jeh fined him 1 million Somaliland shillings ($151) and ordered him to leave Somaliland within 24 hours. Mohamud, a Hargeisa native, was arrested earlier in February on charges of treason for serving in the Somali Federal Government.
Rights advocates weigh in

People started travelling from Somaliland to other parts of Somalia after Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo's administration held its first formal direct talks in decades with the Somali Federal Government in June (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2012/06/21/feature-01), said Khadar Iid Kariye, editor of Hargeisa-based independent newspaper Ogaal.
However, the administration does not want anyone with political clout or anyone currently in office to travel to Mogadishu because it does not want the relationship it established with Somalia to undermine its bid for sovereignty, Kariye told Sabahi.
"[The administration] wants to show that its people have not been swayed by what is going on in southern Somalia," he said.
Hargeisa-based political analyst Abshir Askar said people must not be stopped from travelling to Mogadishu for business, trade or political reasons.
"The [Somaliland] administration can engage in talks with the Somali government, but people cannot be prevented from travelling to Mogadishu because they have many reasons to go there," Askar told Sabahi.
The Somaliland administration this month signalled its willingness to talk to the Somali government (http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/newsbriefs/2013/02/15/newsbrief-01), as long as its independence is not up for debate.
There is no law in Somaliland that criminalises travelling to Mogadishu, Mohamud Abdirahman, a lawyer with Hargeisa-based Watershed Legal Services, told Sabahi.
"According to the Somaliland constitution, one can only be punished for a crime that is forbidden by a law [passed by parliament]. Therefore, travelling to and from Mogadishu cannot be a crime or have a punishment," Abdirahman said.
"If Jama Mohamud and Rabi Yusuf Abdullahi were held for that reason, then that is illegal," he said.

Oh, http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2013/03/06/feature-01 there is the link!

This reminds me of someone.... killed many Somalis, refused to give up power oh and his last name is barre

What is this malaayacni aad la soo shir tagtay? What does this have to do with development, the built environment or even economic news?

In future post such threads in the politics thread. Xusein this thread should be merged with Politics thread.

What is this malaayacni aad la soo shir tagtay? What does this have to do with development, the built environment or even economic news?

In future post such threads in the politics thread. Xusein this thread should be merged with Politics thread.

I absolutely agree

No dude this is off-topic and does have something to do with development, This shows how only Southerners benefit from Somalia (or Xamars) Success

Please when talking to me don't write in Somali, It's a pain to read

What is Economy and Devolpment without politics, Somalia only rose from the Ashes when peace came to the major cities

No dude this is off-topic and does have something to do with development, This shows how only Southerners benefit from Somalia (or Xamars) Success

lol sxb I agree this definitely off topic, but within this very general off-topic section we have a POLITICS thread in which this story belongs.

Somali politics is dynamic, incredibly complex and convoluted, we can't have a new thread for every time a new story appears or something quite routine happens. The politics thread is there for a reason, use it.

Merged the thread.

Anyway this is so impossible to enforce that it's not really mentionable.

Somalia's Prime Minister, Abdi Farah Shirdon, said human rights and judicial reform are at the centre of the government's legislative agenda. He made the statement following the submission by the Cabinet of a package of legislation to Parliament for debate.

The Prime Minister and the Cabinet approved four draft laws covering human rights reform, judicial reform, and reform of district and regional authorities. The Prime Minister said the government was working overtime to draft new legislation that "will be essential for the rebuilding of a new Somalia", and this demonstrates its commitment "to radical human rights reform, a complete overhaul of our judicial system and redefining the balance of power between the centre and the regions".

He said every week the government was introducing new legislation, which he described as the "the foundation of a functioning state". The Prime Minister is expected to address the legislature on Sunday (March 3rd) to give an account of the achievements of the government's first 100 days.

The Cabinet has also agreed on the need to devise new legislation governing the restructuring of police and security forces. The government's ambitious reform program also includes plans for new legislation governing the Central Bank, the creation of specialized anti-terrorism, anti-piracy and anti-trafficking institutions, and additional laws to govern refugee issues and legal aid.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303011494.html

Abudwaq — Somali national government has struck a deal with Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama, a rival Sufi group to the other radical group of Al Shabab which carries out terrorist attacks on both civilians and government supporters.

The treaty came as a high level delegation led by Somali Prime Minister is touring Galgadud region where Ahlu Sunna controls.

A meeting, which led to the signing of this new deal, was held in Abudwaq town and the government was represented in that meeting its interior and defence ministers while Ahlu Sunna was represented by two of its top leaders.

According to the treaty, Ahlu Suuna forces will be incorporated into the Somali national force.

Ahlu Sunna fought bloody struggle against Al Shabab in Somalia after the Al Qaeda inspired group destroyed and vandalized graves to some Suni leaders in Somalia.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303070061.html

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I sure hope this Somali government is serious in hearing other parties. They cannot hold back the creation of Jubbaland. Also Khatumo has expressed their willingless to be part of Somalia. The Somali government should reach a hand out to them and help them. Especially when Somaliland is being hostile towards Khatumo.

I hear a lot of rhetoric. I truly hope that a reconciliation proces is being done.

We need another Barre. The guy was a hero.

We need another Barre. The guy was a hero.

In some ways he was a hero, in some ways he was a tyrant

Somalia replaces extremism with a programme of reform

By PM Abdi Farah Shirdon

When I stood in front of a large gathering in the city of Dusamareb last week to discuss the delivery of public services, I couldn't help thinking how important it is for a Somal thinking how important it is for a Somali leader to get out of Mogadishu and listen to people in the regions. To be discussing policing, tax collection and judicial reform in Galgadud, a region that only recently was a no-go area ravaged by extremists, gives you an indication of how far we have come. Only recently we could barely move safely inside our own capital.

An indication of how far we have come. Only recently we could barely move safely inside recently we could barely move safely inside our own capital Somalia's story now is that of a fledgling democracy taking the first steps of reconstruction and development. Somalis are returning from the diaspora in growing numbers to set up new businesses such as airlines, telecoms companies, banks, hotels and restaurants. They are rebuilding their homes and lives after decades of dislocation. No longer are we referred to as "the world's worst failed state", dominated by terrorism, piracy and humanitarian crisis. The seeds of economic recovery have been planted and must now be watered. must now be watered.

All this has been engendered by a transformation in security. Our brave forces in partnership with the African Union Mission in Somalia (Amisom) have driven Al Shabaab in Somalia (Amisom) have driven Al Shabaab out of Mogadishu and its foreign, Al Qaeda- out of Mogadishu and its foreign, Al Qaeda-inspired ideology has been comprehensively rejected by Somalis. We now control most of south central Somalia and are securing major roads between Mogadishu and important centres like Baidoa, Beledweyne and Kismayo. But although Al Shabaab is on its knees, it still poses a threat and the fight is not over. We must show that what replaces extremism is immeasurably better.But although Al Shabaab is on its knees, it stil poses a threat and the fight is not over. We must show that what replaces extremism is immeasurably better.

In newly liberated areas like Galgadud, we are assisting local communities to set up their administrations to deliver public services administrations to deliver public services rapidly to secure their support. To call that a challenge in a country starved of government for two decades is an epic understatement.

Challenge in a country starved of government for two decades is an epic understatement Now that the war is largely over, the siren cal in Mogadishu is for reform. How do you build in Mogadishu is for reform. How do you build a government from scratch? The answer is with great difficulty, but the progress we have already made is impressive.

Laws are the foundation of a functioning state My Cabinet is sending a stream of new legislation to parliament for debate and approval. In the coming weeks, parliament wil vote on laws covering human rights reform vote on laws covering human rights reform judicial reform, and district and regiona judicial reform, and district and regional authorities reform. We will also be passing legislation restructuring the police and security forces, creating specialist anti-terrorism, anti-piracy and anti-trafficking institutions, governing the Central Bank, assisting refugees and providing legal aid.

Legislation restructuring the police and legislation restructuring the police and security forces, creating specialist anti- terrorism, anti-piracy and anti-trafficking institutions, governing the Central Bank assisting refugees and providing legal aid priorities. This is not just because we have had a court case in Mogadishu that attracted the word's attention recently. Nothing underlines the need to reform our police and judiciary the need to reform our police and judiciary more than the decision to send a rape victim and the journalist who interviewed her to prison. Yet that regrettable verdict was a symptom, not the cause, of the problem, a lack of the rule of law. and the journalist who interviewed her to prison. Yet that regrettable verdict was a symptom, not the cause, of the problem, a lack of the rule of law.

This cannot be established overnight. It wil take time to develop. In the meantime, the take time to develop. In the meantime, the most effective way to allow an independent judiciary to flourish is not to interfere when it gives unpopular verdicts. We are in the gives unpopular verdicts. We are in the business of nurturing new institutions in Somalia, not throttling them at birth. business of nurturing new institutions in business of nurturing new institutions in Somalia, not throttling them at birth.

While there is no shortage of challenges for Somalia, there are some that the internationa community must also address. For years our international relations have been conducted international relations have been conducted on a one-way basis, invariably on a on a one-way basis, invariably on a humanitarian level. That model is now an anachronism and must change.

Humanitarian level. That model is now an humanitarian level. That model is now an anachronism and must change We are a sovereign government, the first recognised by the US in more than 20 years and the outside world needs to start treating and the outside world needs to start treating us like one. It is no good criticising our lack of government capacity and then funding NGOs to execute projects while sidelining government institutions altogether. This merely perpetuates a cycle of dependence, denies us the learning experience and ensures government capacity remains limited. That may satisfy NGOs, but it is of limited service to us. may satisfy NGOs, but it is of limited service to us.

The outside world needs to adjust to new realities here. We are in the process of putting in place strict public finance management rules guided by the principles of transparency accountability and credibility. These have been praised recently by the World Bank and USAID, among others. Parliament has approved a regular budget and we are approved a regular budget and we are reintroducing tax collection, which has been entirely absent since the civil war. These new systems will mitigate against corruption, that scourge of good governance in Somalia and the downfall of all too many governments in Mogadishu. reintroducing tax collection, which has been entirely absent since the civil war. These new systems will mitigate against corruption, that scourge of good governance in Somalia and the downfall of all too many governments in Mogadishu.

I am confident that the world will respond positively to the changing situation in Somalia because there are already signs to that effect because there are already signs to that effect Villa Somalia, the presidential palace, has Villa Somalia, the presidential palace, has never been busier. In recent days we have hosted high-level visitors from the US, UK, Turkey and the EU. The need for partnerships with our international friends, which the world will see at the London Somalia Conference in May, has never been greater. We know that we cannot do it alone, but there is no turning back. will see at the London Somalia Conference in will see at the London Somalia Conference in May, has never been greater. We know that we cannot do it alone, but there is no turning back. May, has never been greater. We know that we May, has never been greater. We know that we cannot do it alone, but there is no turning back.

Hogaamiyaha maamulka la magac baxay Somaliland oo Turkey kula balansan dheeq bixiyal dalkaas kaa soo jeeda.balse saxafada Hargeysa ugu shekeyey in uu marti qaad ka helay raisul wasaraha Dowlada Turkey.


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Allow ceeb Soomali astur!!!!

This is a pointless thread, if we want to know about government progress we can start another topic on The Somali government, another on the parliament and another on the civil service e.t.c
There is nothing positive about this thread except to draw disgusting characters from failed Somali sites such as SOMALIAONLINE AND SOMALINET, to contaminate not only this thread but the other positive ones, already the Somalia forum of skyscraper city is famous for its pics it just a short jump away to the interference of this fantastic forum.

This is a pointless thread, if we want to know about government progress we can start another topic on The Somali government, another on the parliament and another on the civil service e.t.c
There is nothing positive about this thread except to draw disgusting characters from failed Somali sites such as SOMALIAONLINE AND SOMALINET, to contaminate not only this thread but the other positive ones, already the Somalia forum of skyscraper city is famous for its pics it just a short jump away to the interference of this fantastic forum.

+1

Horay ayaan usheegay, ninki qabiil iyo qurun lajirin labadaas website uuninkaan tilmaamay hala'aado. Meeshaan horumar Soomaaliyoo dhan ah iyo quruxda wadanka halaguu soo bandhigo.

Somalia: Prime Minister Shirdon Signs Historic Agreement With Puntland
Somalia's Prime Minister Abdi Farah who is on a "listening tour" across Somalia has signed a historic agreement with the Puntland regional administration.

The agreement details the relationship between the central government and the Puntland administration, and it was, signed by the Prime Minister and by the Puntland regional administration President, Abdirahman Sheikh Mohamed 'Farole'.

The seven article agreement covers improvement of security, restitution of properties taken during the civil war from Puntland, facilitation of investment, introduction of the new currency, capacity building support to governance and the election system of Puntland, and the formation of the upper house in the federal state of Somalia.

Hailed by the Prime Minister as the first of its kind to clearly state each party's responsibilities and obligations to the other, it is the latest step in the central government's moves to bring the regions together. Speaking about his tour, Prime Minister Shirdon said "Yesterday it was Galgadud, today Garowe, tomorrow Galmudug. This Listening Tour is about uniting the country.
Today's agreement with Puntland is another major step, [involving] greater collaboration and trust-building: defining responsibilities, protocols, honoring agreements and respecting the federal constitution."

http://allafrica.com/stories/201303121251.html

Xukuumadda Soomaaliya oo Shaacisay inay Keenayso lacago cusub oo ay ku bedelayso Lacagta Shillin Soomaaliga

[/B]Dowladda Soomaaliya ayaa sheegtay inay dalka keenayso lacago cusub oo wax looga bedelayo shillin Soomaaliga oo aan qiimo badan lahayn, sida uu saxaafadda u sheegay maanta wasiir ku xigeenka wasaaradda maaliyadda iyo qorsheynta Maxamed Xasan Aadan.

Wasiir ku xigeenku wuxuu sheegay inuu socdo qorshihii lagu bedeli lahaa lacagta shillin Soomaaliga ah oo uu sheegay inay duugoowday, isagoo sidoo kale ka hadlay isbedelka sarrifka doollarka.

“Dowladdu waxay diyaar u tahay inay wax ka qabato lacagta Soomaaliga oo ay keento lacag cusub oo lagu bedelayo waayo dowladda waa ku khasab in ay lacagta bedesho, waxaase layaab leh in ganacsatada qaarkood ay urursanayaan lacagaha la bedeli rabo,” ayuu yiri wasiir ku xigeenka.

Mar uu ka hadlay sababaha saldhigga u ah in sarrifka doollarka uu aad hoos ugu dhaco ayaa wuxuu sheegay inay sababi karaan lacago badan oo doollar ah oo dalka soo galay, balse wuxuu sheegay in lacagtaas aysan saameyn ku yeelan karin suuqyada, balse ganacsatada ay ka dambeeyaan arrintaas.

“Bankiga dhexe wuxuu wadaa qorshihii lacagta lagu bedeli lahaa, waxaana kula talinaynaa ganacsatada urursanaya lacagaha inaysan ku dhicin, waayo haddii ay lacagtu suuq ku firirsan tahay waa la koontarooli karaa sida lagu bedelayo,” ayuu yiri wasiir ku xigeenka.

Xukuumadda Soomaaliya ayaa dhawaanahan waxay si aad ah uga hadlaysay isbedelka sarrifka doollarka oo saameyn xooggan ku yeeshay dadweyanha Soomaaliyeed, gaar ahaan danyarta.
Lama oga sida uu go’aankan ay xukuumaddu ku dhawaaqday ay wax uga bedeli karo sarrifka doollarka oo aad uga dhacay Muqdisho, halka gobollada kale ee dalka uu ka joogo heerkiisii hore.

http://hiiraan.com/news/2013/Mar/wararka_maanta11-21201.htm

New Bay governor to target hospital, prison reforms

[/B]The newly appointed governor of Somalia's Bay region Abdi Adan Hosow will pursue hospital and prison reforms, UN-funded Radio Bar-Kulan reported on Friday (March 8th).

Baidoa's hospital lacks adequate staff and its stock of medicines is insufficient to meet patients' needs, Hosow said.

The governor said he intends to enlist the support of Somalis living abroad and the federal government to finance upgrades for the hospital and the regional prison.

http://hiiraan.com/news4/2013/Mar/28458/new_bay_governor_to_target_hospital_prison_reforms.aspx

This is a pointless thread, if we want to know about government progress we can start another topic on The Somali government, another on the parliament and another on the civil service e.t.c
There is nothing positive about this thread except to draw disgusting characters from failed Somali sites such as SOMALIAONLINE AND SOMALINET, to contaminate not only this thread but the other positive ones, already the Somalia forum of skyscraper city is famous for its pics it just a short jump away to the interference of this fantastic forum.

The only reason why this thread still exists is so politics doesn't poison the rest of the forum.

The only reason why this thread still exists is so politics doesn't poison the rest of the forum.


Well said. wax negative ah ugama jeedo aniga Thread kaan ^^ Politics can be discussed as long as people can make a valid points in a civilized manner.

Sidda oo Xusein oo hore u yiri thread kaan waxaa lagu tala galay in looga hadlo siyasada somalia.

I understand your motivation xussein and I hope it works out like you hope, but we shall see, our people are so hard headed uu fiirso :)

Rabban ciyaarta naga deey lol

Somali govt. signs agreement with non-militant group

The recently signed agreement will now see the Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaa surrender all its forces and weapons to the federal government and its forces integrated into the country’s military.

Authorities in Mogadishu have in the past years stepped up their campaign to liberate the entire region from the control of Al-Shabaab fighters.

Ahlu Sunaah has maintained the control of that region for the past couple of years after ousting Al-Shabaab fighters. Somali Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon beleives that the agreement can help secure the central regions of Somalia. The Premier has in the past days travelled to several regions in the country on a fact finding mission and to promote his new administration.

With a permanent government in place for the first time in more than two decades President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud’s administration is moving to resume administrations in southern and central regions under a federal system of governance. Analysts view the agreement with the group as a major step for the government to spread its authority outside the capital.

In 2009, Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaa renounced its former non-violent stance, took up arms and emerged as one of the country's key players in fighting Al Shabaab and Hizbul Islam groups.

Formed in 1991 after the fall of the central government, Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaa has for many years now protected Sufi Muslims in the Horn of African nation.

Source: http://hiiraan.com/news4/2013/Mar/28548/somali_govt_signs_agreement_with_non_militant_group.aspx

Who? LOL. Irrelevant to politics in 2013. But a victory is a victory.

19-03-2013


Shir lagu waddo inuu ka dhacayo dalka Ingiriiska oo lagu dhisayo maamul goboleed ay ku midaysan yihiin maamulada Awdal State iyo Khaatumo State ee gobolada Sool, Awdal iyo Sanaag shirkaas oo loogu dhawaaqi doono maamul goboleedkaas dastuurkiisa iyo baarlamaankiisa iyadoo lagu taageerayo dowlada federaalka ee Somalia. lana raacayo dastuurka oo ah labo gobol iyo in ka badan iyagoo sheegay in dowlad goboleedka buuxisay shuruudahaas.waxaa intaas kabid lagu wadda in ee wax garadka kaa soo jeeda Awdal iyo Khaatumo state in ee tegaan Casimada dalka ee Muqdisho si ee ula kulmaan Barlamaanka iyo Madaxda sare ee Wadanka.

SNTV.

^Trouble makers from certain Somali websites cuqdadi iyo naceeybki certain group meeshan layimaadeen. Hadana SNTV codka Jamhuuriyada lagu been abuurtay. Waaka baxay.

^Trouble makers from certain Somali websites cuqdadi iyo naceeybki certain group meeshan layimaadeen. Hadana SNTV codka Jamhuuriyada lagu been abuurtay. Waaka baxay.

Sxb luuqan aan u dayno kuwa waalan. Inteenan kale ee horumarka u nimi dee forumka oo dhan baa inoo yaalaa. Luuqan keliya yuusan ku nacsiin forumka idil.

Why are people so butt hurt. 90% of Somali websites are troll sites lol any idiot can start one. These Other African news outlets are generally based in Nairobi and we know how professional they are :lol:

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