Oslo developement thread [Archive] - Page 9

IceCheese

March 5th, 2010, 02:15 AM

^^ Oh nooo! Kall meg skeptisk!

When will this sort of rape infilling stop?

Personally, I found it much better than the other projects presented by Mr.LA yesterday. Unspiring design? Check. Detached building blocks, instead of continous quarter? Off course. Boring as hell? Hell yeah. But at least it shows a quarter-style adaption, and it includes commercial space at ground level (at least towards Sandakerveien). It also shows some height facing the river(-valley), which is a good solution. The project also shows a great improvement from what's there today.

This project, though, that's something to call a rape of the city:

Development at Økern seems to be booming along now. With already under sale project Spirea Park and Økern Center offcourse, soon will also Økern Torgvei 30 be coming along. Here are some pics from the architects home page (Spor Arkitekter);

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kernTorgvei30.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kerntorgvei30-2.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kerntorgvei30-3.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kerntorgvei30-4.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kerntorgvei30-5.jpg

It's so terrible, it makes me want to give up on this city once and for all. What's there today is even more urban:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/kerntorgvei30.jpg

Named by the architect under "Urbanism", I can't see much urban about that. Supposedly the project will include "Strøkstjenelig virksomhet" facing Økern Torgvei 30, but the buildings are detached from the road with a 10 m grass-fence, so I'm forseeing something bad there too. The only way to make Økern torgvei 30 look good, is to compare it to the neighbor, Økern torgvei 9, which seems to be a prison:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/kerntorgvei9.jpg

I just love how they're "reclaiming" Økern for humans again...:nuts:

GlennHGSD

March 5th, 2010, 07:38 AM

Could be worse... just be glad we don't have mcmansions in Norway, like they do in the US :bash:

What is McMansion?

This, repeated 5 million times in the same suburb on identical looking streets.
http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/8/7/3/1/3/ar119361269131378.jpg

Very much like this pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Markham-suburbs.id.jpg.jpg

Ingenioren

March 5th, 2010, 10:47 AM

Interesting density, how can these people prefere this compared to a normal appartmentblock where the greenarea can actually be used for something.

virgule82

March 5th, 2010, 12:31 PM

Interesting density, how can these people prefere this compared to a normal appartmentblock where the greenarea can actually be used for something.

I've visited quite a few of these things - I think the main attraction is simply plenty of space inside. McMansions are cheap to build (prebuilt, with inexpensive materials, can be set up quickly), probably much cheaper than apartment buildings. For families it is a a very good deal.

IceCheese

March 5th, 2010, 02:20 PM

I've visited quite a few of these things - I think the main attraction is simply plenty of space inside. McMansions are cheap to build (prebuilt, with inexpensive materials, can be set up quickly), probably much cheaper than apartment buildings. For families it is a a very good deal.

I was in fact quite impressed with all they can make with plaster and plastic in that country. Even doors and doosknobs are "fake".

marshol

March 5th, 2010, 05:29 PM

How can they know which house they live in :nuts:! I wouln't lived like that.

City of Rain

March 5th, 2010, 05:47 PM

How can they know which house they live in :nuts:! I wouln't lived like that.

im guessing they have to count the houses while driving along the road :P

must suck furiously trying to get into your house for 30 miuntes with no luck, then realizing its your neighbours house, though :lol:

Skandinadian91

March 5th, 2010, 08:12 PM

The houses have numbers on them. :nuts: haha that last picture is actually in Canada (how shameful). I believe it's Markham, a suburb of Toronto.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=markham&sll=43.881261,-79.261584&sspn=0.245481,0.617294&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Markham,+York+Regional+Municipality,+Ontario,+Canada&ll=43.901016,-79.248161&spn=0.015337,0.054932&t=k&z=15

Anyway, yes you people are lucky you're not surrounded in that kind of environment. The sad thing is most people living in these places don't even realize that things that make up the architectural features of their homes are just cheap, kitsch replicas of bygone architectural eras in europe. People have no taste and are just proud to say they have a a new house with so much square footage etc.

Now I'm not saying all of North America is like this, there are plenty of architectural and cultural gems, but usually the further away from the core of the city you go, the scarier it gets.

IceCheese

March 5th, 2010, 10:00 PM

So, are we ready to get back on topic here?

Code arkitektur AS wins along with Aurora landskap AS the competition for Koksa, Fornebu. The project, "K575", will include 575 appartments, mainly targeted for families, and will supposedly be cheaper than other Fornebu projects. Koksa is also the first residential project at Fornebu not developed by Fornebu Utvikling, as IT Fornebu itself is the inititive-taker behind this project. Construction start is estimated in 2012, of course depending on sales:)

As usual, the urbanity in Fornebu is not something to brag about:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/koksa2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/koksa1.jpg

PS1: Why would they need such a large park in the plot with Fornebuparken just 200 meters away? Anyone think Fornebuparken will be so crowded, people need an alternative?!:bash::bash:
PS2: Is that a subway station I see along the south-side of the plot?
PS3: I see they have removed all the old hangars, which I thought was protected. Have I misunderstood something again?! Now I was sure the hangar was protected, as Ingenioren told me, and even provided me with a link last year. What has lead them to change this now? Never so protected that one can't "unprotect" again?! Link to original debate May 2009: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=127197&page=70

PS4: As you see in the latest render, this project occupies the same plot as Fornebu technoport. So the white-ish boxes facing away from us in the render is this one, so far not started on that I know of:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/ny_fasade_2010.gif

Budstikka reports that the IT Fornebu Technoport (sounds like a band Throndheimr would listen to:lol:), by KLP right by Portal-bygget (Koksa-area in the plan) may get a time-boost due to the news about Statoil's new headquarters coming to Fornebu. Interest is supposed to be increasing, and developer hopes for contract signings in the near future.

http://www.budstikka.no/sec_lokal/sec_fornebu/article242034.ece

Well, apparantly interest didn't boom that much, afterall...

Anyways, here is the full list of invited project groups for the first-mentioned project Koksa:

• April Arkitekter, Helinco Architects (FI), Marjamaa Landskap (FI)

• Brendeland & Kristoffersen Arkitekter AS, 6A Architects Ltd (UK), Lorenzo Bibi/Studiometrico (IT), Jonathan Cook Landscape Architects (UK)

• Code Arkitektur AS, Aurora Landskap AS

• Arkitektkontoret GASA AS, Askim/Lantto Arkitekter AS, Grindaker AS Landskapsarkitekter, Erichsen & Horgen AS

• MVRDV (NL), Tupelo Arkitektur AS, Bjørbekk & Lindheim Landskapsarkitekter, Sweco

• Arkitektfirmaet C.F. Møller (ARK/LARK)

And here are links to articles about the project for further reading:
http://www.bygg.no/id/51525.0
http://www.budstikka.no/n-ringsliv/gjor-klar-for-575-boliger-pa-koksa-1.4685647

Please, anyone who find more renders of this or one of the other proposals, please post them:)

starkwell

March 5th, 2010, 11:43 PM

Could be worse... just be glad we don't have mcmansions in Norway, like they do in the US :bash:

What is McMansion?

This, repeated 5 million times in the same suburb on identical looking streets.

um, that's what half of england looks like, except with much smaller houses, and has been the norm for decades... :ohno:

GlennHGSD

March 6th, 2010, 12:35 AM

yeah i know, but my point is. Sure these buildings are not ideal, but atleast they ARE apartments, and hell, maybe some people prefer living in boxes in the middle of nowhere with grass around them.

Mulefisk

March 7th, 2010, 05:43 PM

PS2: Is that a subway station I see along the south-side of the plot?

I believe that's the failed "luftslott" Fornebubanen. An automated driverless monorail that would run from Lysaker down to Fornebu. The plans got scrapped because they couldn't get it funded.

If the t-bane is built it will run underground under the main avenue with 2 stops if I remember correctly.

IceCheese

March 7th, 2010, 11:44 PM

I believe that's the failed "luftslott" Fornebubanen. An automated driverless monorail that would run from Lysaker down to Fornebu. The plans got scrapped because they couldn't get it funded.

If the t-bane is built it will run underground under the main avenue with 2 stops if I remember correctly.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. One of the suggestions for lightrail/tram at Fornebu, made use of the old, ready-regulated monorailscheme, as this would be the cheapest and fastest way to get rails to Fornebu. This is a drawing posted in here a year ago (page after my last link, from when we last debated this):

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Fornebu.jpg

Ingenioren

March 8th, 2010, 05:14 PM

The best proposal won aubviously - however there will be a hurdle to tear down the golf-centre. Frankly i rather they keep it, and rather build more densily around it :) As for Automatbanen being to expensive? Not compared to Metro or tram connected to Oslos systems atleast - with the schemes planned for Lysaker by 2012, there wouldn't be any mentionable transfertime in this exchange anyway.

mcmlxv

March 9th, 2010, 10:13 PM

Aftenposten article about the plans for Filipstad:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3556744.ece

Mulefisk

March 10th, 2010, 01:25 AM

As for Automatbanen being to expensive? Not compared to Metro or tram connected to Oslos systems atleast - with the schemes planned for Lysaker by 2012, there wouldn't be any mentionable transfertime in this exchange anyway.

No, it wasn't very expensive when compared to tram and metro, though maintainance costs would be higher because of the unusual system. If I remember correctly the problem was that the other municipalities in Akershus were angry that Bærum was getting so much money, and so they effectively blocked the funding. Pretty ridiculous.

Here's an overview of the Koksa project.

http://www.budstikka.no/polopoly_fs/k575-ansvarlige-1.4707880!image/2118172901.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_571x440/2118172901.jpg?modified=1267870677000

The architecture is nice but otherwise it's pretty depressive. :ohno:

They should change the name from Fornebubyen to Forenbu Drabantby

Mulefisk

March 11th, 2010, 04:58 PM

Good news for everyone who loves subways! Ruter wants to go for a metro from Fornebu to Majorstua via Skøyen.

Ruter vil ha T-bane

Vis avisside Aftenposten Aften - 10.03.2010 - Side: 4

Forfatter: ARILD M. JONASSEN

Går imot anbefalingene i sin egen rapport

FORNEBU Nå anbefaler Ruter bygging av T-bane i tunnel fra Fornebu, via Skøyen til Majorstuen.
Ruter har lagt frem en utredning med flere ulike kollektivløsninger for Fornebubanen. Men i forrige uke presenterte selskapet et helt nytt alternativ i et møte med store bedrifter og andre brukere på Fornebu og Lysaker.

De store arbeidsplassene på halvøya, som Telenor, har lenge gått for en T-bane, og nå har de fått Ruter med på laget. Men det er malurt i begeret. Det vil ta år å få en bane på plass. I mellomtiden mener Ruter det må satses på superbuss i egne kollektivfelt.

Liker de klare signalene
Fylkesordføreren i Akershus, Nils Aage Jegstad (H), er glad for de klare signalene fra Ruter. Han ser T-bane som den beste, men også den dyreste løsningen.

En bane i den ønskede traseen vil koste anslagsvis 4,5 milliarder kroner.

Ruter har bedt om tid til utredning ut året. Selskapet ser planene i sammenheng med en utvidelse av hele kollektivnettet i Oslo. Jegstad mener at Staten må på banen med penger. T-bane må åpnes til Fornebu innen seks-syv år for å unngå at kapasiteten på bussene sprenges, ifølge ham.

Overraskende utspill
Sturla Strandly som leder Lysakerbyen næringsvel, hadde regnet med at Ruter skulle forsvare sin publiserte utredning, ikke komme med helt nye anbefalinger.

- Her kom spennende vyer om kollektivtransporten i hele Oslo-området. Det var i praksis en slakt av fylkeskommunens oppdrag, og av Ruters eget svar på oppdraget, sier Strandly.

Han sier Ruter nå synes enige med de store bedriftene: Den beste løsningen er en tunnelbane kombinert med buss, for å klare de store toppene i rushtrafikken.

Det som bekymrer Strandly, er at byggeplaner kan bli stående i stampe både på Fornebu og Lysaker. For nå utsettes en avgjørelse i enda to år.

Strandly stusser ellers over at Ruter i sin ferske rapport bare nevner Fornebus formidable trafikkpotensial ferdig utbygget med 20 000 arbeidsplasser og 6000 boliger. Strandly påpeker at Lysaker allerede har nær 50 000 arbeidsplasser.

Informasjonssjef Gry Isberg i Ruter sier de ikke kan kommentere rapporten før den er behandlet av Ruters styre den 16. mars.

Ruters Fornebu
Vil bygge en semimetrobane, mest i tunnel. Kan seners utvikles til full metrostandard.

Superbusser kan benyttes inntil bane er på plass.

Beslutning tas vinteren 2012.

Fornebu, Lysaker, Skøyen og Majorstuen nevnt som beste tilkobling til T-banenettet.

https://web.retriever-info.com/go/?a=20933&sa=2004899&x=b18fc41597fab5e5b303e1f11c7ca01a&d=02000220100310J056JK1

The choice was between these two, and thankfully, if you ask me, it looks like they're choosing 3B:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9397/fbmetro.jpg

I'm a little skeptical to the idea of building a semi-metro though. If I remember correctly it will mean shorter platforms and only one MX train (As opposed to two one the main network). It might get the line finished faster, but isn't this just creating problems for the future?

mjoks007

March 11th, 2010, 06:34 PM

Cool with a T-bane off cource. But it makes me really even more irritated for what could be done with this plot with a potentially such a good public transport contact the rest of the city. This is just another surburb project just like everything else outside Oslo inner city.

Ingenioren

March 11th, 2010, 09:10 PM

Semimetro? Haven't heard of it before, but i imagine it's sort of system as Holmenkollbanen with level crossings and short trains.

Hurban

March 12th, 2010, 02:58 AM

+1

Glad to hear the T to FBU is getting more wind and thumbs up.. Although i agree that making a new line direct from Majorstua via skøyen is the best option since the route via linje 6 is quite long (?), i am not so fond of a new separate platform and terminus for this line at majorstua. If i have i understood correctly?

Why not connect it to the rest of the network via a new connection f.eks by Volvat.. I always wanted to see a new station connecting all west lines b4 majorstua - could work if they move major further inn towards valkyrie plass. Please please please. :) I guess it would put more strain on fellestunnelen but...

Go metro go!

Spearman

March 12th, 2010, 03:37 AM

+2

Though it would be even more awsome to have the T on a new station between Majorstua and Nationaltheateret.

Btw; what is a "superbuss"? What makes a regular bus super?

Ingenioren

March 12th, 2010, 01:33 PM

Superbuss/busbane is what's called Bus Rapid Transit in English, basicly it means the bus get's it's own way where it doesn't have to share space with cars.

I don't see the point with having a direct link from Fellestunnelen to Fornebubanen - when this tunnel is already maxed out - it will not help to add a line with short trains, a terminus at Majorstua or Volvat (If this area is to be transformed to inner-city density.) would be fine for now - possibly connected to Ringbanen, in the future this line could be extended trough parts of inner-city that is unserved by T-bane today.

Mulefisk

March 12th, 2010, 07:24 PM

I don't see the point with having a direct link from Fellestunnelen to Fornebubanen - when this tunnel is already maxed out - it will not help to add a line with short trains, a terminus at Majorstua or Volvat (If this area is to be transformed to inner-city density.) would be fine for now - possibly connected to Ringbanen, in the future this line could be extended trough parts of inner-city that is unserved by T-bane today.

Exactly. I think the idea is that it could possibly serve as the start of a new Ring 2 T-bane, at least that's what Ruter wrote in the utredning. That is, if they don't go through with the planned tram. Personally I think the T would be better, as it could be connected to the line they're planning in Groruddalen along Alnaelven.

IceCheese

March 15th, 2010, 04:49 AM

The final 6 adapted proposals for the new National Museum.

Back in Black

Forum Artis

M Box

Trylleesken

Urban Canvas

Urban Transition

This post didn't get all the attention it deserved. Every invited project delievered theire final presentations at the end of February. Statsbygg has released PDF-presentations in good quality for all the projects, and I wan't to show some of them here (in the thread where they belong:D). A winner of the competition will be announced April 12th.

Back In Black:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/BiB.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/BiB2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/BiB3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/BiB4.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/BiB5.jpg

Forum Artis (not much has happened here the last 6 months:dunno:):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA4.jpg

m_box:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/mb.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/mb2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/mb3.jpg

Trylleesken:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE2.jpg http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE4.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE5.jpg

Urban Canvas (not much new here either, but how could it be:nuts:):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UC.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UC2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UC3.jpg

Urban Transition (urban planning looks good on this one. My favorite:D):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT4.jpg

Links to all PDFs:

Back In Black (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/BackInBlackPlansjeKompr.pdf)

Forum Artis (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/ForumArtisPlansje.pdf)

m_box (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/m_boxPlansje.pdf)

Trylleesken (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/TrylleeskenPlansjer.pdf)

Urban Canvas (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/UrbanCanvasPlansjer.pdf)

Urban Transition (http://statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/UrbanTransitionPlansjer.pdf) (having a lot of trouble with this PDF. May be broken)

If someone wants to, please copy this post to YIMBY.no

Olabil

March 15th, 2010, 11:35 AM

Lotta Sandberg about urban developing:
http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentatorer/sandberg/article3564968.ece

Mulefisk

March 15th, 2010, 02:35 PM

Urban transition for me too, definitely. It looks great, fits into the surroundings while adding something new, and it's the only one that's managed to connect Aker Brygge with Vika.

The small building on the western side could be taller though. At least somewhere between Vestbanen and the first building in Aker Brygge.

Ingenioren

March 15th, 2010, 04:46 PM

Just curious, how do you figure this not belongs to Fjordbyen? I would not agree with you there...

How i rate the proposals from 1-6:

1. Back in Black:
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/back-in-blackØst-640.jpg

Like it the best, i'm a sucker for shiny black buildings - if this facade is anything near Blindern library this will be a great addition to the city, and with all the setbacks i think it will look great despite it's massiveness. UD-towers are browncheeseshaped and ugly - hopefully these will get redesigned if this wins. Flatiron looks great tough!

2. Trylleesken
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/trylleeskenSV-640.jpg

Has a certain monumentality that i like. Offices are traditional blocks and it fills the plot with urbanity it seems :)

3. Urban Transition:
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/urban-transitionSV-640.jpg

Looks good, urbanity is good, offices are the best amoung the proposals - i really like the row of towers in Vika and this compliments them fine, a little too boxy tough.

4. Urban Canvas
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/urban-canvasSV-640.jpg

What happened to UDs offices? Couldn't find a room for it in the endless openspace around the museum? Monumentally = hell yeah! Urbanity = there is none.

5. m_box:
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/m-boxSV-640.jpg

Covering the old vest-bane buildings with a giant roof - hardly a cozy design. Looks very long and boring all around, officebuilding is way to long too, altough the cantilevers and setbacks looks cool.

6. Forum Artis
http://www.statsbygg.no/FilSystem/files/konkurranse/fase2/Modellbilder/forum-artisØst-640.jpg

Horrible endless facades and so flat... Not good at all - is this inspired by galleri oslo?

No matter wich proposal wins i hope they fit the offices in there aswell, i can't understand the critics off over-using the plot, there seems to be plenty off space for both UD and museum. Will be very interesting to see what eventually is proposed for the triangular plot between Vestbanen and Aker Brygge :cheers:

On a sidenote Oslo Plaza is 20 years:
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7035300

mjoks007

March 15th, 2010, 05:45 PM

New "kvadraturen" in Løren. According to TU, the constrution will start in august:
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/2B-Model.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/L-2B.jpg
I have to say, if this the final design, its looks pretty decent.

City of Rain

March 15th, 2010, 05:51 PM

m_box has to be my favourite followed by urban transition and trylleesken had it been white..

IceCheese

March 15th, 2010, 07:19 PM

Just curious, how do you figure this not belongs to Fjordbyen? I would not agree with you there...

Cause it's not mentioned in Fjordbyplanen (http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/fjordbykontoret%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Internett%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Dokumenter/dokument/Fjordbyplanen_17042008.pdf), maybe? Not mentioned at all, actually...

I seem to remember at one time that they didn't want to continue working with Tjuvholmen and Ormsund as part of the Fjordcity. Something has lead me to believe this, at least:)

Mr. Love Architectur

March 16th, 2010, 01:27 PM

1. Back in Black is without a doubt my favorite so far. But need so see far better renderings of exterior and interior to decide yet.

Heres a new office complex at Ryen;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ryensvingen.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ryensvingen2.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ryensvingen3.jpg

muster

March 16th, 2010, 02:14 PM

Cause it's not mentioned in Fjordbyplanen (http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/fjordbykontoret%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Internett%20%28FJORDBYEN%29/Dokumenter/dokument/Fjordbyplanen_17042008.pdf), maybe? Not mentioned at all, actually...

I seem to remember at one time that they didn't want to continue working with Tjuvholmen and Ormsund as part of the Fjordcity. Something has lead me to believe this, at least:)

Of course it is a part of the fjordcity project and vision. That's like saying your big toe is not a part of your foot, but a part of your body. :lol:

All waterfront areas in central parts of Oslo is a part of this vision. The politicians also refers to the museum as a part of this project. I think the maps we all kknow so well clearly says the same thing.

http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Prosjektfjordbykontoret/Internett/Bilder/_Fra%20konvertering/kart2.gif

http://www.pbase.com/image/25999627/large.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

March 16th, 2010, 03:00 PM

NCC continues its Lilleborg project at Torshov by the riverside, right next to Sagene;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lilleborg-torshov.jpg

before pics, as of now;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lilleborg.jpg

Ingenioren

March 16th, 2010, 03:15 PM

That's good, Lilleborg is very nice :)

mjoks007

March 17th, 2010, 02:12 PM

Grünnerløkka had largest growth in 2009 (http://www.utviklings-og-kompetanseetaten.oslo.kommune.no/oslostatistikken/article160059-42123.html)
Indre by hadde en befolkningsvekst på 2,8 prosent, mens veksten i ytre by var på 1,5 prosent. De senere års tendens har vært at andelen av befolkningen i indre by har økt på bekostning av andelen i ytre by. Denne tendensen fortsatte også i 2009. Befolkningen i indre by utgjorde ved årsskiftet 35,0 prosent av Oslos totale befolkning, mot 34,7 prosent året før, og mot 32,9 prosent ved inngangen til 2004.
35% in inner city makes a total poulation on 205.000. That sounds a bit wrong... Guess they just added the numbers from Gamle Oslo, Grünnerløkka which really content big parts of suburb

Ingenioren

March 17th, 2010, 02:39 PM

It's ok, tough Bygdøy and some areas aren't inner-city in any way there isn't a large population there, but i goes both ways. Nydalen for example could be considered inner-city but it isn't...

NorthStar77

March 17th, 2010, 03:08 PM

35% in inner city makes a total poulation on 205.000. That sounds a bit wrong... Guess they just added the numbers from Gamle Oslo, Grünnerløkka which really content big parts of suburb

Grünerløkka and Gamle Oslo contains suburbs? I guess I live in one of those suburbs then, as I live in outer parts of Gamle Oslo. It takes 25 minutes to walk to Oslo S, and is closer to Oslo S than Majorstua;)

mjoks007

March 17th, 2010, 04:03 PM

Grünerløkka and Gamle Oslo contains suburbs?
Yes? Wouldt decide if Løren is a surburb or not yet though.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/Bydeler.jpg

IMO they should merge Gamle Oslo, Grünnerløkka and Sagene together to one part and rename it to indre by øst and Frogner and St Hanshaugen to Indre by vest like Malmö, to make a more complex and holistic development politic. That would be really... unnorwegian..

Mr. Love Architectur

March 22nd, 2010, 01:18 PM

Small update without pictures im afraid;

- construction has started on Westerdahls school
- a lot of the exterior on Anker First Hotel is in the process of beeing installed
- More of the Vulkan area seems to be moving along nicely with more cranes and activity going on.
- And also the building site right over Akerselva from Vulkan, a bit further up, they seem to be nearing completion on what is school, public building. Dont remember what it was right now.
- A whole lot more exterior is up on Visma now. Also a lot more progress on the walkway over the trainlines.

virgule82

March 22nd, 2010, 03:36 PM

Er det noen planer for Rosenkrantz' gate 18?

Jeg passerte stedet forleden og det bør jo skje noe der. Googlet litt og fant bare bilder fra rivingen -virker som om det var en flott bygård som stod der:

http://blogg.nrk.no/byen/archives/2008/12/riving-i-rosenkrantzgata.html

Får håpe at det kommer noe like bra

Edit: Never mind, another boring officebuilding (http://www.finn.no/finn/b2b/commercialproperty/rent/object?finnkode=20556222) Ok, but not much more

Mr. Love Architectur

March 23rd, 2010, 04:36 PM

More pictures of Ensjøbyen - OBOS project in the main part of the new CarCity;
about 550 apartments in their project - many more developers are in the picture in this area.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Ensjbyen-Obossittprosjekt.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjbyen-2.jpg

Ingenioren

March 23rd, 2010, 04:52 PM

^^Are the 30s back now?

A shot i took in PBE of an 8-floor officebuilding on hearing at Ryen, PBE wants it lowered ofcourse:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC_1415.jpg

mjoks007

March 23rd, 2010, 04:58 PM

More pictures of Ensjøbyen
Finally something white:banana:

IceCheese

March 23rd, 2010, 06:35 PM

^^:nuts: Anyone ever heard of colour in this town? Or any other shape than square? Or any other angle than 90 degrees?

Mulefisk

March 23rd, 2010, 09:22 PM

Wow, that looks suprisingly nice. Tall, dense, and lots of retail space in the bottom.

The color could be more interesing, maybe something to highlight the details. Wouldn't worry too much about it though, it can always be changed later very easily.

Mr. Love Architectur

March 24th, 2010, 12:53 PM

And yet another project on Ensjø is on the roll. Gladenga - one of the projects highest up on the new alle.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensj.jpg

Salget godt i gang hos Urbanium
Urbanium har solgt 31 av 44 leiligheter i første salgstrinn av Glaenga på Ensjø. Allerede nå legges trinn 2 ut for salg med salgsstart 25.mars. Se mer informasjon på www.glaenga.no

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/gladengveien_2.jpg

marshol

March 24th, 2010, 03:20 PM

^^ A lot fresher with colours :okay:

Ingenioren

March 24th, 2010, 04:59 PM

And the prices :happy:

mjoks007

March 24th, 2010, 05:33 PM

The prices was surprisingly low indeed. Though I was hoping the blocks on the inside of Gladenggata would have a bit more urban shape than that.

Mulefisk

March 24th, 2010, 06:11 PM

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/gladengveien_2.jpg

Is this a new map? The one I saw in the reguleringsplan had much fewer intersections and road connections than this one. If this is the new one then it's looking a lot better. Much more potential for expansion in the future.

IceCheese

March 24th, 2010, 07:27 PM

^^ A lot fresher with colours :okay:

The "colors" are only two different types of brick: red and sand. Not excaclty original...

Btw, is anything happening to Ensjø metrostation? The station is very much applyable for an overbuild, if you get what I mean...

IceCheese

March 24th, 2010, 07:43 PM

^^Are the 30s back now?

A shot i took in PBE of an 8-floor officebuilding on hearing at Ryen, PBE wants it lowered ofcourse:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC_1415.jpg

I'm all in favour of densification close to Ring3. What kind of view would people loose?!

Ingenioren

March 24th, 2010, 09:42 PM

Ryen:
"Destroys" the shape of the valley there according to PBE.

Ensjø:

Looks like parts of the tracks will be covered in these plans:
http://ensjo.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/499137_-000-kvadratmeter-bolig-skal-bygges-over-ensjoe-t-bane

http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/1187703_h580ee3a0758f332bf981_v1259652571_1024x1024_e.jpeg

Why they wouldn't cover the whole thing i have no idea.... :nuts:

mjoks007

March 24th, 2010, 10:18 PM

IceCheese

March 24th, 2010, 10:42 PM

One would think a covering of the tracks would be essential to tie Ensjøbyen to Kampen...

Ingenioren

March 24th, 2010, 11:39 PM

Or for the benefit of buildings that will be stuck between the 2 rail-lines :nuts:

IceCheese

March 25th, 2010, 03:36 AM

^^Cant understand why they must keep the existing buildings on this plot, most of the buildings looks (of what I could tell) like shit and make the overall plan looks like a, more or less bunch of randomly placed buildings... Seriously, whats wrong with a BIT more organized planning?

But a quick raincheck shows that only two of the existing buildings will be kept:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/EnsjT.jpg

PS, looking at the pedestrian bridge. They're actually making it harder to get from Ensjø to Kampen?!?!:bash:

Þróndeimr

March 25th, 2010, 12:31 PM

next page please!

Mulefisk

March 25th, 2010, 12:51 PM

I guess it's an attempt to save money. It's not the first time. Sinsen and Storo could easily have been underground stations, but Oslo Sporveier (or Ruter, as it's called now) chose to put them out in the open.

Hopefully for the future residents of Ensjø they'll come around.

What are the advantages?

-Warm, rain-free station all year around
-Better connection with Kampen
-Possibility to build something urban on top of the station
-Giving Ensjø more of an inner-city feeling

Disadvantages?

-Expensive.

Mulefisk

March 25th, 2010, 01:02 PM

Delete please

Hurban

March 25th, 2010, 02:48 PM

^^
'Det skal ikke være lett å bo på østkanten..'

I will be very happy if they make some sense and cover this station up. It must be done. They should do it with Hasle station, and should have done it completely @ Økern for a better development in those areas.

Ensjø is a very exiting development, one of my favs in the city.. A real development that will work. In the heart of the east end - closer to Stortinget than Torshov and as almost as close as Majorstua. Metro already in place.. This one is a winner. Please make it right! Love the white Obos buildings with the shop fronts. More of this please .. :)

Þróndeimr

March 25th, 2010, 07:32 PM

Renderings of Schmidt Hammer Lassen's Gardermoen proposal, which was rejected.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen6.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/SHLGardermoen5.jpg

Mulefisk

March 25th, 2010, 07:36 PM

Nice renderings.

I still prefer the one that won though. It's a bit more transparent and with more connection to the street. At the same time it doesn't really add anything new, which is a shame.

Here's the pic to compare:
http://www.nettavisen.no/imagecache/parameter/?upsizable=true&action=resize&width=720&height=-1&url=http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00693/Gardermoen_Garde_69301416x9.jpg

City of Rain

March 25th, 2010, 07:45 PM

gardermoen is being expanded?

mjoks007

March 25th, 2010, 07:50 PM

^^yep

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/helt_ny_gardermoen_699770a.gif (http://s1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/?action=view&current=helt_ny_gardermoen_699770a.gif)

Þróndeimr

March 25th, 2010, 07:53 PM

gardermoen is being expanded?

Oslo Airport Gardermoen is the principal airport serving the Norwegian capital city of Oslo. It was completed in 1998 and have a capacity of 17 million passangers a year. 2008 statistics shows that 19.4 million passangers went through the airport so there has been a urgent need of expansion.

The new terminal will increase the airports capacity from 17 million to 35 million passengers a year. Its expected that the airport will grow larger than Copenhagen Airport and become the largest airport in Scandinavia in term of passenger count. Final details about construction and design will be announced in spring 2010.

Winning design.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Gardermoen2small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Gardermoen4small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Gardermoen3small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/Terminalensettfravreforplass_tcm181.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/Nypirfraflyside_tcm181-82769small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/gshallmedstasjonenibakgrunnen_tcm18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/hall-trappopptilavgangsniv_tcm181-8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/PirBinterirperspektiv_tcm181-82774s.jpg

IceCheese

March 26th, 2010, 12:42 AM

Some fresh updates:

Lørenlunden is nearly done, the part facing Lørenveien turned out pretty good i think

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/Ingenioren3/22sept09/DSC_0503.jpg

Looking at this Løren-project, Lørenlunden, at finn.no... Why is it that the inner courtyard looks like this? Made to not be usable for anything, especially not for childrens or the residents, other than maybe parking or flower watering. Who allows this for courtyards in urban areas? Should we have stronger rules for how a courtyard can be disposed/planned?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Lrenlunden.jpg

essenze

March 26th, 2010, 01:06 AM

Nice to have some guest parking spots with a bit of greenery there too, isn't it? But I sort of see your point though. What would your suggestion be?

mjoks007

March 26th, 2010, 01:32 AM

^^grass, trees, playground for kids. At least not an desert of asphalt. The cars should of course be in a parking lot under ground. The ironic thing is that Løren is supposed to be a good example for modern and dense areas for families with kids. At least, that is the impression I've got.

Þróndeimr

March 26th, 2010, 01:38 AM

Approved
Bærum Gjenbrukstorg
Bærum - Akershus

Reiulf Ramstad Arkitekter (http://www.reiulframstadarkitekter.no/) won 1st prize in 2008 to design the new recycle center in Bærum.

The basis for the project was to convert the existing facility, not just in terms of functionality, but also conceptually. By an architectural and
conceptual return to nature the new structure completely transforms the entire site, exchanging the bleak imagery and crude machinery that
normally characterise waste handling with an intriguing new environment that draws the mind to the notion of a sophisticated organic machine.

The design-concept is determined by a symbiosis of function and site: A regular and composed structure made from organic materials creates a soft
kind of world, which underscores the placid mood of the surrounding cultural landscape and embodies natural and healthy procedures.

The new facility at Isi alludes to a future scenario where we have moved beyond exploitation and unsustainable practices to a level of sophistication
that allows us to create the most advanced machines and systems from crude natural and organic materials, even waste. Isi is a self-explanatory
and self-sufficient facility that makes use of its own input, i.e. recycled waste, in its very construction and operation. At the same time it is a
forward-looking piece of unique architecture that rehabilitates an old and attractive cultural landscape.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrumRecycleplant1small.jpg
COPYRIGHT MIR (http://mir.no/)
>> download/open rendering (2852x1991 pixels | 3.8Mb .jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BrumRecycleplant1.jpg)

IceCheese

March 26th, 2010, 01:47 AM

Nice to have some guest parking spots with a bit of greenery there too, isn't it? But I sort of see your point though. What would your suggestion be?

As mjoks said, more "accesible" greenery (not walled in flowers. May look pretty, but in reality a waste of space)and a playground. A playground probably already is there, as it's impossible to build appartment buildings without it. What is most important, though, is seeting. Seeting is vital to create attractive outdoor areas, and it would probably also be smart to include a place to barbeque and such. Only unntaksvis should anything other than grass be ground-material. Stones may be necessary in highly used pedestrian axis, but around grass should be sought for to make the courtyard area "soft" and friendly.

Þróndeimr

March 26th, 2010, 02:43 AM

Proposed
Haslelinje
Grünerløkka - Oslo

A 20 floor tower has been proposed by Lof architects (http://www.lof.no/?page_id=198) and Hasle utvikling (http://www.haslelinje.no/) masterplan for Haslelinje - the old site of vinmonopolet who is moving out of the city in 2012, and developmentstage for this plot is envisioned to last untill 2020, where the tower is set for 2nd construction stage. The development (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200714277) also includes a 12 floor tower, development is planned to include appartments, shops and offices.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/ssc-tegninger/Halselinje1.jpg

Some more renderings (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=2108715) from the last alternative.

Höegh Eiendom og BundeGruppen ville bygge høyhus på 20 etasjer, men møter motbør i Plan- og bygningsetaten.
For høyt og tett...
”Brutalt” høyhus... http://www.estatemedia.no/ArticleDetails/tabid/83/Skin/2/SecID/4/ArtID/13053/Default.aspx

http://www.haslelinje.no/images/tomta_original.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

March 26th, 2010, 04:21 PM

Not sure if this project has been shown here before. Osterhausgate in Oslo east side down town. Not built yet and no progress on site however.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/osterhausgate-nybygg.jpg

dexter26

March 31st, 2010, 01:55 AM

Personally, I found it much better than the other projects presented by Mr.LA yesterday. Unspiring design? Check. Detached building blocks, instead of continous quarter? Off course. Boring as hell? Hell yeah.

Just realized I never answered this, I agree the other project you showed wasn't exactly a beauty either.

I didn't like the Torshov project though, mainly it's too plain and without any "details" whatever from what I see. I'm just not a fan of what I'd call "plain module-based buildings." There should be atleast one architectural detail of some sort to make a building stand out (doesn't have to be too much every time either, of course). Other than that one can easily read what a builder has spent on all various details, metalwork etc. in a project. Must say I (usually) prefer quality over quantity there as well.

mjoks007

March 31st, 2010, 04:18 PM

Enstemmig for gågate i Markveien (http://www.ostkantavisa.no/nyheter/enstemmig-for-gagate-1.5038996)

muster

April 1st, 2010, 10:25 PM

The work outside Rådhuset is finnished

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/erreflot/Bilde410.jpg

IceCheese

April 2nd, 2010, 01:00 AM

Enstemmig for gågate i Markveien (http://www.ostkantavisa.no/nyheter/enstemmig-for-gagate-1.5038996)

Connect Markveien with Torggata to make a continous pedestrian road!:crazy:

elcapolarage

April 2nd, 2010, 02:10 AM

The work outside Rådhuset is finnished

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/erreflot/Bilde410.jpg

And what exactly has changed?

IceCheese

April 2nd, 2010, 02:24 AM

^^They've built a new parking house for the politicians. Supposedly the old one was moist and leak, damaging cars that were parked there.

Mr. Love Architectur

April 2nd, 2010, 05:50 PM

New great project on Ensjø - looks to be quite similar to Tiedemannsjordet, which i think is a great project in that neighbourhood.

Coming out on sale very soon.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN1.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN6.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN4.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 2nd, 2010, 05:52 PM

MOre pics of the Tiedemannsbyen.

Site can be found on www.Tiedemannsbyen.no

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN11.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN2.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDMANNSBYEN3.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN5.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 2nd, 2010, 05:53 PM

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/TIEDEMANNSBYEN7.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 2nd, 2010, 05:56 PM

Om prosjektet
Tiedemannsbyen er en del av den store Ensjø-utbyggingen - Oslos mest ekstreme forvandling og største boligutbygging noen sinne. Gamle falleferdige bilhaller og nedlagte fabrikkbygninger er planlagt forvandlet til nærmere 7.000 boliger, 450 barnehageplasser, 100 butikker, 42 grøntområder, 6 km turstier og ny skole.

Ferd Eiendom og Skanska Bolig skal i samarbeid utvikle og bygge ca 690 nye boliger på tomten til tidligere Tiedemanns Tobakksfabrikk.

Boligprosjektet Tiedemannsbyen ligger på en av Ensjøs beste tomter og har gode utsikts- og solforhold. Det er planlagt å bygge en variert bebyggelse med 2 - 5-roms leiligheter i kvartalsbebyggelse på 4-7 etasjer, i tillegg til townhouse/rekkehus.

Vårt overordnete mål er å forvandle området til et naturbant, levende og attraktivt boligområde. Videre å bygge en fleksibel boligbebyggelse med arkitektonisk god kvalitet og karakter. Vi vil også gi området en utforming som synliggjør områdekvalitetene og bidrar til egenart og identitet.

Utbyggerne på Ensjø har inngått egne utbyggingsavtaler med Oslo kommune for å sikre en god kvalitet på opparbeidelse av parker, gatetun og turveier på området.

Adresse for boligprosjektet vil bli: Joh.H.Andresensvei , 0655 Oslo
Hele tobakksfabrikktomten er ferdig regulert og delt inn i 6 boligkvartaler. Disse vil bli utbygget fortløpende
Felt D kommer først i salg
Felt D - området har rolig beliggenhet innerst på området, inntil en allerede etablert turdrag. Feltet ligger inn mot to veletablerte og ettertraktede boligområder som heter Lille Tøyen Hageby og Kampen Hageby. Felt D vil også bli et boligområdet med hagebypreg og vil bestå av både leiligheter og rekkehus.

Beliggenhet
Ensjø skal gjennom en totalforvandling. Fra å være en bydel dominert av bilforhandlere og industri vil det bli et knutepunkt med nærmere 7000 nye boliger.

Ensjø ligger i bydel Gamle Oslo og grenser til Tøyenparken, idylliske Tøyen hageby, Kampen, Vålerenga og Valle-Hovin. I dette området finner vi en viktig del av Oslos arbeiderhistorie

Info fra www.ferd.no sin hjemmeside. 690 boliger. ikke akkurat dårlig.

Ingenioren

April 3rd, 2010, 06:23 AM

Connect Markveien with Torggata to make a continous pedestrian road!:crazy:

The bridge aswell? :nuts:

IceCheese

April 3rd, 2010, 08:56 AM

The bridge aswell? :nuts:

Why not? No need for it now... The could make a cafe or market square of it. Or prostitutionalize it, as other parts of town...

edit: or maybe not market, if you want it to be a main bike route..

mjoks007

April 3rd, 2010, 04:10 PM

Or a modern Rialto bridge with permanent shops like the plan in Stockholm (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54168031&postcount=7143)

mjoks007

April 12th, 2010, 10:22 AM

Oslo ber Akershus bygge tettere (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7074979)

Mulefisk

April 12th, 2010, 10:53 AM

Oslo ber Akershus bygge tettere (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7074979)

I have doubts that that is going to happen here on the western side of Akershus. In the kommunedelplan we have now 50% of new areas are set to be constructed along the new E16 we're building. No new rail transport for these areas is planned. The last 50% is Fornebu which is a little better but not much. :ohno:

IceCheese

April 12th, 2010, 12:53 PM

Forum Artis wins Vestbanen!:shocked: 2nd place goes to Urban Transition (my favorite) and Trylleesken takes third. I'm quite surprised!

My old presentation of the mentioned projects:

Forum Artis (not much has happened here the last 6 months:dunno:):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/FA4.jpg

Trylleesken:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE2.jpg http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE4.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/TE5.jpg

Urban Transition (urban planning looks good on this one. My favorite:D):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Vestbanen/UT4.jpg

mjoks007

April 12th, 2010, 01:02 PM

Jeez... I hope the jurys decision is based on better renderings than the ones we´re seen...

IceCheese

April 12th, 2010, 02:38 PM

Architects behind the proposals have now been revealed:

Forum Artis: Kleihues + Schuwerk Gesellschaft von Architekten mbH, Napoli, Berlin.

Urban Transition: JAJA Architects ApS, København

Trylleesken: Henning Larsen Architects A/S, København

City of Rain

April 12th, 2010, 03:46 PM

Jeez... I hope the jurys decision is based on better renderings than the ones we´re seen...

yeah, me too..

i cant even see what the heck it is!

IceCheese

April 12th, 2010, 06:46 PM

Byggeindustrien has published 3D-rendered movies of all the proposals on theire site. (and yes, I am keeping this debate in two threads. It's so fun:D)

Forum Artis: http://www.bygg.no/bygg-tv?clipid=328

Urban Transition: http://www.bygg.no/bygg-tv?clipid=329

Trylleesken: http://www.bygg.no/bygg-tv?clipid=330

City of Rain

April 12th, 2010, 07:31 PM

they really did pick the worst one..

i have to say, trylleesken is bigger than what i thought at first.. a little overkill, maybe, but id still take it over forum artis any day.

im not very fond of all the different heights of urban transition, as i think it looks a little messy.. but of course it too beats the heck out of forum artis -.-

what is the matter with this country?! they should let polls like the one in vg determine which proposal should be picked.. let the people decide what they want their city to look like, not some 80 year old superchristians who want all of norways cities to look like farming villages. meh.

Hurban

April 12th, 2010, 08:08 PM

Grusomt.. :ohno:

They're all awfull actually.. Not so much the buildings themselves but they do not suit the location and have far too many square meters packed into this spot. Any of these proposal will look uninvited here. Just look at the vids posted by MrCheese above.. ^^ A disaster for Vestbanen and Rådhusplassen IMO. Where is riksantikvaren when u need him..?

mjoks007

April 12th, 2010, 08:34 PM

I think riksantikvaren is quite satisfied with a lowrise made of tree, I doubt he care about the urban space.

virgule82

April 12th, 2010, 08:44 PM

They're all awfull actually.. Not so much the buildings themselves but they do not suit the location and have far too many square meters packed into this spot. Any of these proposal will look uninvited here.?

To be fair, this is not the architects fault -it's a requirement of the competition. - The government wants a prestigious office building for the new Foreign Ministry and they don't mind ruining the National Museum if that's what it takes

Ingenioren

April 13th, 2010, 03:30 PM

What the h***? It's a huge plot, there is plenty of room for both, look at how Urban transition manage to make it elegant with a few mid-rise towers in the background. How about solving some of the mistakes in Vika rather than make new ones... :nuts:

IceCheese

April 13th, 2010, 03:49 PM

Yo Ingenioren! Any idea on why they're digging up the parking lot of St. Halvards gate 33? A new building facing the road maybe? Would love to see St Halvards gate get a bit upgraded:) They should also continue with 20 and 27. 20 is the perfect plot for an urban nærsenter, to boost local shopping options a bit.

Ingenioren

April 13th, 2010, 04:09 PM

Well there's wasn't anything interresting on "Saksinnsyn" under St.Halvardsgate, maybe it's part of a larger piping-project for sewers or heating? I agree tough, Østkanten has a lot of scars that needs filling in :)

IceCheese

April 13th, 2010, 04:44 PM

^^That's too bad. Noone ever sees any profit in doing infills in Oslo Øst:(

mjoks007

April 13th, 2010, 09:21 PM

Isn´t Oslo øst the part of Oslo with clearly most infills is being built?

Ingenioren

April 13th, 2010, 10:28 PM

Yeah, because most of Vestkanten is "ferdig" or protected by småhusplanen :nuts:

dexter26

April 14th, 2010, 12:05 AM

they really did pick the worst one..

i have to say, trylleesken is bigger than what i thought at first.. a little overkill, maybe, but id still take it over forum artis any day.

im not very fond of all the different heights of urban transition, as i think it looks a little messy.. but of course it too beats the heck out of forum artis -.-

+1 to that, especially agree about the ranking. Not 100% sure who I'd pick first between trylleesken and urban transition. But what I especially dislike in all these suggestions is the areas closest to Aker Brygge. Though not the only thing I would like to be different.

starkwell

April 14th, 2010, 12:20 AM

IceCheese

April 14th, 2010, 12:44 AM

Isn´t Oslo øst the part of Oslo with clearly most infills is being built?

Well, it differs. Not all parts of Oslo Øst are equally trendy. Grünerløkka and Vålerenga are überpop, and infills are everywhere. Grønland and inner city north/east is slowly coming on, but areas like Gamlebyen and Tøyen are lagging behind..

mjoks007

April 14th, 2010, 06:22 PM

Any particular plots you are thinking about? Personally, the so called "sirkustomta" at Tøyen always annoyed me, great place for larger infills.

Edit: I dont know if that goes under the category "infill" though:lol:

IceCheese

April 15th, 2010, 01:51 AM

I use "infill" for practicly anything that doesn't involve a brand new grand masterplan for an area. Oslo Øst is already "done", and thereby new projects are infills. Only non-infills in Oslo Øst would be Kværner, Ensjø and Løren, probably. (+Bjørvika of course:))

For Sirkustomta spesificly, I hope they do something involving botanical garden there as planed. Give something back to the people:)

Ingenioren

April 15th, 2010, 10:46 AM

Isn't that where the new palm-house will be located?

Mr. Love Architectur

April 15th, 2010, 02:36 PM

Then its time for another project at Økern; by Obos this also. Right next to the allready completed one in Økern Torgvei.

Økernly;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kernly.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/kernly2.jpg

IceCheese

April 15th, 2010, 04:54 PM

Yippy! Økern torgvei is like my favorite street of the city!:nuts: The new project will be right beside the prison earlier portrated in this thread.

Mulefisk

April 16th, 2010, 01:28 PM

Yippy! Økern torgvei is like my favorite street of the city!:nuts: The new project will be right beside the prison earlier portrated in this thread.

I can't tell, are you being sarcastic? =P

IceCheese

April 16th, 2010, 03:04 PM

Ok, let's present another project. This one is from Økern Torgvei, and is called Bjerke panorama.

:nuts::nuts:

Ok, seriously... This project is further up the road than the other three mentioned in this thread, and looks surprisingly urban (not paradise, but not bad:)). The plot is right north of Bjerke travbane, and not far from Trondheimsveien. Today a Statoil occupies the plot, which neighbors some highrise I don't know. 1st stage includes 53 appartments, and may start construction in the fall.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/95_-468912525.jpg

Þróndeimr

April 16th, 2010, 03:09 PM

^^ looks horrible in my opinion...

Thats without reading about the project though.

IceCheese

April 16th, 2010, 03:10 PM

You can read about it in the Finn.no advert: http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/newbuildings/object?finnkode=21873395&sid=xz154F85C430604925

Well, remember the highrise is not part of the project. MAD AS seems to be architect. Taken into consideration other projects in ØTv, this is one of the better, as said.

Ingenioren

April 16th, 2010, 03:27 PM

Økern Torg generates a lot of Truck Trafic, that's why developpers or city planners feel they need a large wall facing the road. When they intend to cover the terminal trough Ghilardi+Hellsteins project they should cover the road aswell.

http://www.ghilardihellsten.com/images/projectimage_377.jpg

IceCheese

April 16th, 2010, 03:50 PM

Don't know if this sketch showing all the plans of Økern-area has been posted earlier. It's a great overview!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/kern.jpg

Can't wait til they get done with the Ring 3-project:cheers:

And Ingenioren: Shame on you for yet again bringing up that terrible project! Økern torgvei truly is a disgrace to both the city of Oslo and new urbanism as a concept.:speech:

Ingenioren

April 16th, 2010, 04:02 PM

And that's only one part of it, basicly all around the sketch above there are more stuff either under planning or under construction. I will keep you all updated, as this is "my" hood :) Just don't expect any urbanity, we are allergic against it up here :nuts:

IceCheese

April 16th, 2010, 04:09 PM

Nope, it's only what's covered by the Økern sentrum masterplanm made by G+H:) I hope they will do more Lørenby with time. That's the area with most potential as I see it.

Mr. Love Architectur

April 21st, 2010, 03:47 PM

New great pics from Ensjøbyens progress and plans;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjbyen-obosprosjektet.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 21st, 2010, 03:47 PM

more of the same in same part of town;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjbyen3.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 21st, 2010, 03:48 PM

and more;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjbyen2.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 21st, 2010, 03:49 PM

and more;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjsentrum.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 21st, 2010, 03:50 PM

and more; gotta say i think this can turn into a great addition to our allready beautiful city when more and more gets done.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/ensjbyen.jpg

GlennHGSD

April 21st, 2010, 06:23 PM

i quite like the slight curve, it has a certain 40's feel to it!:)

Ingenioren

April 22nd, 2010, 02:36 PM

IceCheese

April 22nd, 2010, 03:24 PM

I think it's a bit covardly and unmotivated that Bærum seeking as low population growth as 1.000/year, which equals to less than 1 % of growth. The population growth is affecting us all, and all municipals in the Oslo area has to do theire share to take this seriously, and prohibit a "crisis" in the real estate market forcing prices up, and forcing people to move further and further away from the city to get affordable housing. We can't continue basing the city on a commuter-pattern that reaches all the way to the endpoints of the intercity-triangle, and someone needs to make politicians in Oslo and Akershus sit down and start sketching some real solutions!

Hurban

April 22nd, 2010, 06:01 PM

This illustrates very well why the "concept" of Bærum is not good for Oslo, they don't give a f*** about the issues we struggle with in "our" city:

Nekter å bygge langs Kolsåsbanen (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7081041)

This prooves they are not real conservatives/right. This sound like petty REGULATION! if the market forces want denser build along the metro, it will happen. Or so i was led to believe.. :ohno:

Anyway... No real news here Stoltenberg vil ha flytogstandard (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3618715.ece) (Aftenposten 22.4)

More half ass promises again

Ingenioren

April 26th, 2010, 01:39 PM

The ministry of environment is making Oslo and Akershus sit down to plan for more sustainable growth:
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7095476

mjoks007

April 26th, 2010, 02:25 PM

Well, its not weird that the ordførere in Akershus are sceptical to higher density instead of new villa and rowhouses, when they believe than apartment buildings have to have the same depressing and suburban look as the existing ones. They should study Stockholm which is pretty much in the same chair as Oslo/Akershus to see that it doens´t need to be bad at all.

Hurban

April 27th, 2010, 04:57 PM

^^Kanskje Oslo bør gå foran som et godt eksempel når det gjelder fortettning langs t-banen på vestsiden.. Banen vest for Majorstua på Oslo siden, er ikke akkurat noe godt eksempel på dette.. verken linje 1,2 eller 3..

Personlig kan jeg gjerne forestille en kraftig fortettning mellom Major og Smestad med en ett nytt 'senter' (skøyen størrelse) ved Smestad. Hvorfor har ikke dette skjed før? "Konseptet" Bærum har vel ingenting med saken å gjøre, heller at cash rike Nimby'ne på vest er vanskelig å overtale uansett om de bor i Oslo eller Bærum.

380 000 på 20 år høres mye ut (hvor kommer alle disse fra btw?).. Men vi har hvertfall plass til det! Og halvparten innenfor og rundt ring 3!! Jeg sitter på gjerdet når det gjelder markagrensa men vi bør absolutt har en åpen diskusjon om redefinering av markagrensa..

Ja jeg synes Bærum fortjener Kolsåsbanen i full MX metro standard. Mer en Holmenkollen fortjener det. Kolsåsbanen har en lang historie, den har allerede traseer lagt ut, det bor over 110 000 mennesker i bærum og fler kommer det til å bli. Selvsagt er det en god ide å fortette langs banen og det kommer sikkert til å skje.
Sansynligvis så har det kommet helt nye politikere inn i Sandvika før kolsåsbanen er ferdig utbygd..

Build it and they will come. Build it before the right of way disappears.

-

Mr. Love Architectur

April 27th, 2010, 05:03 PM

Fantastic suggerstions from Niels Torp for Lakkegata 55. Could be tight but still nice.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lakkegata3.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 27th, 2010, 05:04 PM

another suggestion;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lakkegata2.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 27th, 2010, 05:04 PM

and now from the air - still niels torp;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lakkegata1.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur

April 27th, 2010, 05:06 PM

here are some more pics from the same project;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lakkegata4.jpg

Hurban

April 27th, 2010, 06:21 PM

:applause:

Looks great! So much potential around Lakkegata & Nylandsveien.. Wuuhuu!

I don't understand why the second suggestion is the same but has chopped off a couple of floors..?

great project!

Ingenioren

April 28th, 2010, 01:37 PM

:rant: Again, how can this project impress you guys, when compared to some other Akerselva projects (or elsewhere) who embrases the old historic touch and adds awesome new architecture in there, Vulkan, Lilleborg, Nydalen, Blå, many more can be mentioned. The architects here are probably from Dombås and never walked the Akerselva path or seen the actual area to propose such idiot plan in a location with such potential!

Cheack this page where i went on site, and tell me there is a good idea to chop of the existing quarter structure and add Obos-style punkthus all over there.... :ohno:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=50339367&highlight=lakkegata#post50339367

Mulefisk

April 28th, 2010, 01:57 PM

^^

Agreed. The project will probably be nice for the people that live there, but for the rest of us that have to use the city it will add nothing..

I'd expect more from the guy who made Aker Brygge and Tjuvholmen.

Ingenioren

April 28th, 2010, 02:07 PM

"Det er imidlertid knyttet
bevaringsinteresser til hele industrikomplekset, som i sin helhet er
oppført på Byantikvarens gule liste over bevaringsverdige eiendommer."

Go antikvar! :hug:

IceCheese

April 28th, 2010, 03:37 PM

New infill on Grünerløkka in Schouskvartalet drawn by Mad AS. The project lies close to the corner of Thorval Meyersgate and Trondheimsveien, and will have 17 appartments and a restaurant. Completion may be summer 2011.

Renders:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Gruner.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Gruner2.jpg

Location in Schouskvartalet:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/landskapsplan.gif

The project also has it's own website: http://www.urban-living.no

A much needed infill!:)

Ingenioren

April 28th, 2010, 03:38 PM

Construction now starts on 2 more school buildings in Oslo:

Diakonhjemmet:
http://www.bygg.no/cache/image/22645/53/diakonhjemmet-bredde.jpg
http://www.bygg.no/2010/04/53618.0

Domus Medica:
http://www.bygg.no/cache/image/22687/53/domus-medica-bredde.jpg
http://www.bygg.no/2010/04/hent-utvider-domus-medica

marshol

April 28th, 2010, 08:03 PM

A much needed infill!:)

Yes it's ugly with holes in the blocks. Please continue and fill Storgata 47, Osterhausgate 10, Bernt Ankers gate 8, St. Olavs gate 26, Brugata 6, Grønlandsleiret 16 and 61-71, Norbygata 52, among others.

muster

April 28th, 2010, 08:21 PM

A much needed infill!:)

Oh thank God, finally!!!

If something could be done with the horrible Joker's facade opposite, the TM street could be quite nice in near future :)

starkwell

April 29th, 2010, 12:04 AM

A much needed infill!:)

hmmm, kinda looks like they gave up designing it when they got to the top floor.

mjoks007

April 29th, 2010, 12:14 AM

Looks more like the top floor is "tilbaketrukket" (what the english word?), probably what they trying to illustrate with the shadow from the neighboring building..

IceCheese

April 29th, 2010, 12:16 AM

Well, infills will look weird when the architects are forced to make the building integrate with both meighbors. Pretty useless. It's not like the gap will "disappear" if one move it from two to one building.

Hurban

April 29th, 2010, 01:18 AM

:rant: Again, how can this project impress you guys, when compared to some other Akerselva projects (or elsewhere) who embrases the old historic touch and adds awesome new architecture in there, Vulkan, Lilleborg, Nydalen, Blå, ...[/url]

Ye ye we know these are so more urban..
It impresses 'cos it looks cool. The highrise anyway.. Haven't personally given too much focus on whats down below on this since its is just a vague proposal. Actually today there is a gallery there @ Lakkegata wich i have been to few times and its quite cool.. It suits the area and has a 'Blå' kinda vibe. Check it out...

The highrises look cool and dense tho and i dont see how they cant have both?

That stretch of Vahls gate isnt much to keep, nor more than half of that part of heimdalsgata. Prime spot. Build!

:banana:

muster

April 29th, 2010, 09:30 AM

Fantastic suggerstions from Niels Torp for Lakkegata 55. Could be tight but still nice.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lakkegata3.jpg

Wow, what a great project. I have been waiting for something like this at Lakkegata!

This is how Oslo inner city should develope!:banana:

City of Rain

April 29th, 2010, 05:27 PM

not sure if this has been posted before..

Slik blir Oslos nye kino
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00074/_AFT01811668_jpg_74635d.jpg
Oslo Kino bruker 20 millioner kroner på digitalisering. Og til høsten åpnes en ny kino på Lambertseter.

Et ledd i satsingen er også en ny kino. 12. oktober åpner Symra kino i nye Lambertseter Senter.

– Økningen skyldes delvis at Ringen kom til som ny kino mot slutten av 2008. I tillegg økte vi tilbudet til publikum med å vise ca. 10 000 flere forestillinger i 2009 enn i 2008. Det gir publikum flere forestillingstider å velge mellom og større bredde. I tillegg til 3D-satsingen har vi utvidet dagkinotilbudet betydelig, sier Bergkastet.

Siden 2008 har kinoen vært stengt for publikum grunnet oppussing. Symra kino åpnet dørene for første gang i 1965, da som Norges første drabantbykino. I 2003 ble driften lagt ned, før den ble gjenåpnet i 2006 og igjen stengt i 2008. Til høsten åpner den på nytt som en totalrenovert kino av ypperste kvalitet.

Den nye Symra kino vil få to saler på henholdsvis 200 og 90 seter. Den skal ha fullt kinotilbud syv dager i uken, med en ekstra satsing på baby- og seniorkino. Og best av alt? 3D!

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/film/article371296.ece

mjoks007

April 29th, 2010, 10:30 PM

Baner vei for nytt kollektivsystem
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/dobbeltside_G-Titt_1260444x.jpg
Befolkningsøkningen gjør at kollektivsystemet brister i 2030 hvis ikke drastiske grep tas. Nå lanseres helt nye tanker for banenettet i Oslo og Akershus.

Det skaker i Majorstuens grunnvoller idet trikker, busser og T-bane lager ettermiddagsrush i mylderet av travle trafikanter.

Norges fjerde største knutepunkt gjør ikke skam på statusen.

Går det som Ruter vil, graves hele stasjonen om noen år ned under bakken. Det kan bli første skritt til å utvikle Majorstuen til vestkantens Oslo S. En moderne supersentral i et helt ny underjordisk banesystem gjennom byen, med videre forgreining til Skøyen, Lysaker og Fornebu.

Kanskje også som endestopp for jernbanetrafikken fra vest? Her kan togene slippe av pendlere, før de snur og vender tilbake mot Sandvika, Asker og Drammen.

Utenkelig, sier kanskje du. Det er litt av poenget til samferdselsbyråd Jøran Kallmyr (Frp) og Ruter-direktør Bernt Reitan Jenssen.
Mot kaos

–Vi er nødt til å tenke nytt og stort. Hvis vi ikke gjør noen drastiske grep, blir det kaos i uendelig mange år, sier Kallmyr.

–Nå er tiden inne for å se etter nye muligheter og smarte løsninger, sier Reitan Jenssen.

Det er kombinasjonen et vaklevorent kollektivsystem og voldsom befolkningsvekst som volder bekymring. Synes du det er trangt i rushen i dag, er det et eldorado sammenlignet med fremtidsscenariet.

* Innen 2030 vil befolkningen i Oslo og Akershus øke med 35 prosent, til nesten 1,5 millioner, ifølge prognosene. Innen 2060 er vi dobbelt så mange som i dag.
Innen 2030 er antall kollektivreiser nær doblet til 550 millioner i året, ifølge beregninger Ruter har gjort.
Trikk- og bussholdeplasser har allerede i dag for liten kapasitet.
Med oppgraderinger og lengre T-banetog vil den såkalte fellestunnelen mellom Tøyen og Majorstuen håndtere trafikkveksten frem til 2030. Men så er det fullt.
Samtidig er kapasiteten i Oslotunnelen (togtunnelen) sprengt selv etter at oppgraderingen er ferdig i 2012.

Med andre ord nytter det ikke lenger bare å flikke og lappe på det eksisterende, bygge en stump her og utvide noen skinner der. Det må tenkes nytt.
Knapt med tid

Det sentrale er en ny tunnel gjennom Oslo. Den må stå ferdig før 2030. Dermed er tiden knapp. Det er ikke bare å starte å bore sånn uten videre. Jernbaneverket og Ruter er i gang med et svært utredningsarbeid, og Reitan Jenssen holder alle muligheter åpne.

Hvor skal den gå? Hvor skal nye stasjoner være? Og ikke minst – hva skal gå på den nye traseen – T-bane eller tog eller begge deler? Eller et helt nytt og mer fleksibelt banesystem?

Etter samtaler med Kallmyr og Reitan Jenssen har Aften dristet seg til å tegne inn en mulig ny tunneltrasé, med altså Majorstuen som ny sentralstasjon.

–Majorstuen har et interessant potensial til å bli ett nytt nav i vest, sier Reitan Jenssen.

Et vesentlig poeng med en ny tunnel er at ikke alt skal presses gjennom sentrum. Da kan folkerike bydeler som for eksempel St. Hanshaugen og Grünerløkka være aktuelle som nye stasjonssteder, avhengig av hva slags baneløsning man velger.
Ekspressmetro

I strategirapporten K2010 lanserer Ruter muligheten for en såkalt ekspressmetro i Oslo og Akershus. Denne kan ta over der dagens T-bane ikke kan forlenges fordi stasjonene blir for mange og reisetiden for lang, og toget er for lite fleksibelt.

Jøran Kallmyr ser for seg at en ny tunnel kan komme opp i dagen ved Ensjø eller Hasle, og kobles på eksisterende T-banering der.

–Hva så med jernbanen?

–Det må man finne ut av, sier Kallmyr, som stiller spørsmål om tog må kjøres gjennom sentrum. Kan man la tog fra vest snu og vende ved en mulig ny stasjon på Majorstuen, og gjøre det samme med tog fra nordøst og sør ved Oslo S? Så kan T-banen håndtere den underjordiske trafikken internt i Oslo.

–Slik gjør man det i andre byer. Det er bare i Oslo man kjører toglinjer tvers gjennom sentrum, sier Kallmyr.

Uansett løsning – billig blir det ikke. Ny tunnel vil trolig ligge rundt 20 milliarder kroner.
Hva vil du endre i fremtidens kollektivtrafikk?

Hva folk på gaten, T-bane, buss og trikk mener om fremtidens kollektivtrafikk i hovedstaden, kan du lese i torsdagens utgave av Aften.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3628798.ece
..

Hurban

April 30th, 2010, 05:46 AM

Wow! Great to hear they are finally looking to expand the metro! Og traseer som faktisk har blitt drøftet her!

Personally would have like to see the old jernbane oslo tunnel west being turned into a new metro trasé for Frogner (Elisenberg stasjon) and to Skøyen - FBU (connected to the current metro tunnel @ Nasjonal :lovethem:) if they were to build a complete new 2x track jernbanetunnel for the city that is.. I understand that Majorstua station and a completely new metro tunnel is vital too. Skøyen to Major is a very good idea though.. Dilemma. How about all of them! I guess it's not up to me... (darn!)
However I do not see any reason to bring Jernbanen up to Majorstua.. Of course I'm not the expert here - just me and my armchair...

What do you folk think is the best solution ?

–Det må man finne ut av, sier Kallmyr, som stiller spørsmål om tog må kjøres gjennom sentrum. Kan man la tog fra vest snu og vende ved en mulig ny stasjon på Majorstuen, og gjøre det samme med tog fra nordøst og sør ved Oslo S? Så kan T-banen håndtere den underjordiske trafikken internt i Oslo.

–Slik gjør man det i andre byer. Det er bare i Oslo man kjører toglinjer tvers gjennom sentrum, sier Kallmyr.

Uh? Really? What about London: ThamesLink today and Crossrail which is under constuction.. Stockholm has a SJ rail tunnel going straight through the city, connecting north and south with Sthlm Södra etc... ? Oslotunnelen is probably one of the best inventions this city region has ever had..! Do your research Mr. Byråd...

Hooray for infrastructure! :cheers:

-

Ingenioren

April 30th, 2010, 01:11 PM

Agree, there is a considerable amount of commute for example from Lillestrøm to Sandvika etc. the Oslo region isn't just Oslo inner-city - we need trough trains aswell!

IceCheese

May 1st, 2010, 03:22 AM

New appartment building (very) close to Carl Berner. Surprised to see commies in this area! Seems to be first of two, and this building will have 43 units.

Pictures
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/93_-509549106.jpg

Lovely and urban:nuts:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/93_-1227821467.jpg

Trying to be more specific about location, it's in a backyard between CB plass and Rodeløkka kolonihaver. Oh, better link to it:D http://kart.finn.no/?finnkode=22127193&adType=ESTATE_DEVELOPMENT&title=Ja+det+er+her+de+vil+ligge+SSC+&WT.svl=rightcol&mapType=finnvector&showPin=1&utmx=263957&utmy=6650903&exp=1

Sales start May 9th: http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/newbuildings/object?finnkode=22127193&sid=xz29EE3297D750441

IceCheese

May 1st, 2010, 03:47 AM

Oh, and I bet you all are eager to here my views on Kallmyr and Ruter's little flirt with Aftenposten Thursday!

The Fornebu-alternative with metro to Major seems stronger and stronger. Me like!

New downtown(-ish) metro tunnel is right, but I question the number of station. Even if it's just a concept, only two stations on such a long stretch seems like waste. Add a station at Bislett, the Ensjø branch needs a Grüner south station, and the Hasle-branch should have a station close to Sofienberg tram stop. A dream come true, if it would actually happen, though!:D

The railroad to Majorstuen seems a bit outdated. Railroads throughout the city is a thought far gone. We should keep developing rail Oslo around the current network points Nathinaltheateret and Oslo S (+ Skøyen/Lysaker with Fornebu-metro), and develop these stations more as "gateways" to the Oslo metro system. Majorstuen is far to trafficed already, and can't handle trainpassengers in addition, and I find that idea strange, to say the least. But maybe I'm not open enough to the passenger flows from Drammensbanen to Majorstuen-close destionations:)

Only bad news is, that all these projects with new lines through downtown, seems to put a serious hold on the "nye major" project, probably pushing the upgrade of Majorstuen metro station many years in the future. I hate the current Majorstuen station!!!!!:bleep:

City of Rain

May 1st, 2010, 12:17 PM

icecheese, why do you call it a commie?

its just a modern, good looking apartment block..

mjoks007

May 1st, 2010, 01:36 PM

Or better question. Why do you like commies? :D

The problem is that this kind of blocks doesnt fit in any urban locations (doesnt fit anywhere really, but that my opinion). Carl Berner area is part of inner city and should be developt that way. How would you like if someone proposed a bunch of this buildings at Nordnes or Sandviken? Well, the good thing is that blocks will be located in a backyard more or less, so it wont be visible from the street (I hope).

btw, I suppose Carl Berner road work is pretty much finished now?

IceCheese

May 1st, 2010, 01:48 PM

^^Nope, still working massively. Seems they're never going to finish, and now they'll start redoing the closeby quarter where Meny is soon also...

Mulefisk

May 1st, 2010, 02:47 PM

Only bad news is, that all these projects with new lines through downtown, seems to put a serious hold on the "nye major" project, probably pushing the upgrade of Majorstuen metro station many years in the future. I hate the current Majorstuen station!!!!!:bleep:

It's possible but not certain. From what I recall seeing in some of Ruters earlier plans, the Ring 2 station in Majorstua will be a separate underground platform located under Majorstuakrysset. If this is true, all that will be needed to draw into Nye Major is some passageways to the east.

City of Rain

May 1st, 2010, 03:04 PM

Or better question. Why do you like commies? :D

The problem is that this kind of blocks doesnt fit in any urban locations (doesnt fit anywhere really, but that my opinion). Carl Berner area is part of inner city and should be developt that way. How would you like if someone proposed a bunch of this buildings at Nordnes or Sandviken?

what does that have do to with anything?

im just asking why he would do something as silly as call it a commieblock..

IceCheese

May 1st, 2010, 04:50 PM

It's possible but not certain. From what I recall seeing in some of Ruters earlier plans, the Ring 2 station in Majorstua will be a separate underground platform located under Majorstuakrysset. If this is true, all that will be needed to draw into Nye Major is some passageways to the east.

New Majorstu station is planed moved to under Majorstukrysset..

And to CityOfRain: I've answered this question earlier also, back then when debating Sjølyst panorama. This was what I answered then:

1. Ah, the classic commie-argue. What is a commie? It's hard to specify, as it is more of a description on a certain type of socialist construction ways, than a building style. I often tend to use the expression as a way to say "appartment building" in a negative way, kind of like when I say "blokker" in Norwegian. I guess that's wrong of me. What I would like to ad, though, is that I am not fond of these projects that more spesificly can be called "hus-i-hage" (that's the Swedish frase), which have this copy-paste design, and classic "we refuse to connect to the street-grid"-attitude. Looking at most of the green-areas of this project, it more seems like it is there to look good, than to be used. Are there playgrounds there? Probably, but in a corner. Is there at least one big, continous lawn/square where people can get together and have a good time? Well yes, but most of the unused area consists of long lawns with bushes in them, preventing just this.. This project has some BAD qualities. That's also why I took the picture of the sign telling you to keep of the grass. The project is anti-human. It's boring. Everyone has their own closed porch. These are modern commies.

What I say, is that an appartment building is so much more inviting if giving something back to the street it belongs too. If not, well, then it can just as well be just a commie...

Mulefisk

May 2nd, 2010, 03:56 PM

New Majorstu station is planed moved to under Majorstukrysset..

Well, that complicates things. I still think it's worth the wait though if we get Norways first 2 level underground station. As bad as Majorstua station is today, at least it still works.

Ingenioren

May 3rd, 2010, 02:57 PM

We could need pedestrian/bike bridge in the northern area of Majorstuen station (temporarily) while we wait tough.

As for the Carl Berner project (Sophies Minde or as JM calls it "Rodelunden".) Here's a map of how it will be when it's done - it includes a few kindergardens so that may be reason for the un-urban setting in the backyard:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/minde.jpg

Currently there is just a long fence facing Trondheimsvn. so there will be real nice when they build those building A and B, there will naturally be shops facing the street!

Building G is almost finished, i can snap a photo of it later if you like to see it:)

The next building going on sale from Icecheeses post appears to be F.

And IceCheese, are you aware of plans for Carl-Berner senter i don't know of, or are you talking about the blocks to the north?

IceCheese

May 4th, 2010, 12:03 AM

Torshov Torg - salget starter førstkommende lørdag 6.mars.
(220 leiligheter fordelt på 3 byggetrinn)
I begynnelsen av Torshovgata, ved Myhrens Verksted og Oskar Braathens Plass selges nå de første av totalt 220 boliger i prosjektet Torshov Torg. Prosjektet vil bestå av 3 hus på 6-8 etasjer som danner en karré-bebyggelse. Mellom husene ligger torget, som beplantes og skal bli det naturlige samlingspunktet i Torshov Torg.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/torwhovtorg.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/torshovtorg-2.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/torshovtorg-3.jpg

This project seems to be popular. Only 2 appartments left in Step 1 (out of 63). I guess we can hope for continous building of all three steps, then, which is good:)

Link to project website: www.torshovtorg.no

IceCheese

May 4th, 2010, 01:24 AM

And IceCheese, are you aware of plans for Carl-Berner senter i don't know of, or are you talking about the blocks to the north?

Well, things are happening all over the place, aren't they? Yeah, we have the block on the north side of Hasleveien, which is pretty imminant. But they're still working on something south of the road too, aren't they? Trondheimsveien 113 looks like sh*t today, and a redevelopment is important, even though the planing work seems a bit stompish. Maybe you've seen this PDF from 2008, showing massive rebuilding on the plot, with buildings up to 8 floors, and demolition of several buildings? It wasn't that popular with PBE: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20(PBE)/Internett%20(PBE)/Dokumenter/Filer%20utlagte%20saker/2008/Trondheimsveien113_saksframstilling.pdf
I don't think they've given up, though. Judging from the saksinnsyn page, Lund Hagem arkitekter seems to have taken over the project, and activity is as recent as this April: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200405500
Too bad they don't have anything online:(

Comment on your overview, though: Good to see that they're improving Trondheimsveien, even though buildin commies in the backyard!:D

Singidunum

May 5th, 2010, 01:11 AM

marshol

May 5th, 2010, 01:40 AM

It's one of the government buildings in Oslo, where the prime minister's office is in the top floor. It's not more than 17 floors though.

muster

May 5th, 2010, 01:52 AM

The PM of Norway seems to be one of the rare leaders who chose to work from a skyscraper :okay:

What building is it?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3391/4574550373_5f5531e979.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4574554479_ed0b05304b.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/04/20080211113335!Regjeringskvartalet_H-blokka.jpg

I think it is a very nice building :)

IceCheese

May 5th, 2010, 01:56 AM

A terrible building, completely in war with it's surroundings. The area is practicly a hole in downtown.

GlennHGSD

May 5th, 2010, 07:42 AM

Mulefisk

May 5th, 2010, 12:55 PM

I quite like it actually. Architecturally I think the whole complex is really nice. IMO, the problem is more that the whole area is saturated with monumental buildings that don't give a lot of street-life. You have Deichmanske and the old governmental buildings. The road system smack in the middle of it doesn't help either.

Also, a I think a building like that needs more open space around it to really work. The shapes of the Y-block are a little odd, so it looks a little strange when you're up close. That's just my armchair architectural opinion though.

The area could probably work better if the buildings around it had more shops and public functions. I guess that's hard to do though since it's a government area. They probably don't want a lot of people walking around.

And yeah, they should really close up that hole.

Singidunum

May 5th, 2010, 01:01 PM

Very nice :okay: Perhaps mr PM is the SSC member? Didn't he run Norway on an iPad? That means that he is into internet and technology, he has a skyscraper office and likes to share the view with his guests. He fits into the profile.

marshol

May 5th, 2010, 02:06 PM

...and likes to share the view with his guests.

yeah, he always does that :)

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00772/obama_stoltenberg_772647i.jpg

Hurban

May 5th, 2010, 02:10 PM

I like it. Fab building! And concerning the hole.. Every government body needs a couple of holes... :-P

muster

May 5th, 2010, 11:22 PM

What the heck..!?!? (http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3637979.ece)

http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/01264/summer_1_jpg_G-Tit_1264466x.jpg

Ingenioren

May 5th, 2010, 11:28 PM

As long as it's outside the marka limits, there is really no reason why it shouldn't happend tough.

IceCheese

May 6th, 2010, 12:14 AM

LOL, that anyone thinks they will get something like that realized in such a location. With NIMBY's like ours, it would probably be easier if they kept the total floor space, but built everything in 1 floor height. Which of course would be much less sustainable, and damage Nordmarka to a much larger exctent.

kjetilab

May 6th, 2010, 11:47 AM

I guess this wonderful piece of logic sums it up: ...Og landskapet som vil være synlig fra et slikt høyhus, vil ligge innenfor markagrensen.
WTF?!

Ingenioren

May 6th, 2010, 02:12 PM

That must be a miss-quote... :lol:

One would think there was the problem of seeing the building when hiking nearby hilltops in precious marka. I guess folks from Lunner is not as protective for every tree as many in Oslo - therefor i believe it has a slight chance of getting a permit.

Mulefisk

May 6th, 2010, 02:29 PM

I hear that Oslo is also visible from Nordmarka. Maybe that's why we can't build skyscrapers in the city?

Seriously though, I think it looks like a great project. As long as it's not visible from ALL of Nordmarka, just a small area, then I really don't see the problem. If anything, the project will get people that otherwise wouldn't use the forest to get out of their house.

That being said, I think it's good that there's some skepticism. A few hotels like this won't do any damage, but if we suddenly find that there are a hundred hotels like this around the forest, then that would be a problem.

Mr. Love Architectur

May 6th, 2010, 06:56 PM

Barcode's Dnb first building topped out. Great cladding on the Visma now, and also, the bridge seems to be moving along nicely.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/oppdatertbarcode.jpg

Hurban

May 7th, 2010, 04:27 AM

Only traditional wooden buildings should be built in marka pls ..

Nice pic!

Ingenioren

May 7th, 2010, 01:48 PM

Here is the report from Rambøll concerning a new busterminals location:

http://www.ruter.no/PageFiles/1829/4-2010_Bussterminal_Oslo_S_100420.pdf

IceCheese

May 7th, 2010, 01:58 PM

^^Well, we all know how ROM/NSB sees it, so no decissions yet..

(you didn't see this document until now?!:D)

Ingenioren

May 7th, 2010, 02:34 PM

I still think your suggestion is the best. Appears from the report the waterarea between Operagata and DEG will be deep, why haven't they concidered making it more shallow, it's not like the regulations don't have to change anyhow.

(No you bastard, you could have said something :lol:)

muster

May 10th, 2010, 11:51 PM

http://blogg.aftenposten.no/marthinsen/2010/05/09/vil-gj%C3%B8re-oslo-h%C3%B8yere/ :)

starkwell

May 11th, 2010, 12:32 AM

the highrise is OK, the rest isn't though. and for god's sake, someone plug that hole into the tunnel below!

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/476/476649/858_grubbXcopy_1158164551_1158164566.jpg

i really like it, and i think it has aged very nicely...

the worst buildings in the area are the one with the helicopter pad and the KFUM building :no:

mjoks007

May 11th, 2010, 09:31 AM

På sporet av et vakkert Oslo S
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/9_OsloS-0510-full.jpg
Slik kan Oslo S bli – om Rom Eiendom for det som de vil.

De siste justeringene på den storslåtte planen for hvordan det enorme knutepunktet for jernbanetrafikken i landets hovedstad ble avsluttet 1. april. Artitektene i Space Group står bak tegningene. NSB-selskapet Rom Eiendom er klare til å åpne lommeboka på vid gap for å gi Oslo en ansiktsløftning av de sjeldne.

Smakfullt

Ta bare en titt på bildet av dagens sentralbanestasjon, og sammenlign med hvordan man ønsker det skal se ut i fremtiden. Og uten at noen av oss tar stilling til detaljene i prosessen og tegningene før politikerne begynner arbeidet med å gi klarsignal; det er ikke så vanskelig å være enig i at det blir uendelig mye bedre når man er ferdige?

3,5 milliarder

– Vi har et godt håp om at det er sånn den endelige planen faktisk blir, sier prosjektdirektør Per Atle Tufte i Rom Eiendom. Han har ikke tenkt å be om en øre i offentlige tilskudd, og står klar med mellom tre og tre og en halv milliarder kroner for å realisere prosjektet. Hoteller og store, offentlige leietagere er tenkt å skulle fylle de mange, nye næringslokalene som skal finansiere herligheten.

- Vi jobber etter en plan med rive- og byggestart i 2014. Det blir en prosess som pågår mens anlegget fremdeles er i bruk av jernbanen, og vi regner derfor ikke med å være ferdige før i 2019, anslår han.

Stordalen flytter inn

Første steg i revitaliseringen av den gamle jernbanetomten starter allerede nå til sommeren, da Petter Stordalen og Choice hotels flytter inn i den fredede Østbanehallen. Resten av anlegget skal rives, og 100.000 kvadratmeter bygges opp på ny med tre hovedelementer:

Fjordbygget ut mot Operaen, hvor man har ambisjoner om å få inn en stor hotellaktør.

Stasjonsalléen som vil strekke seg 230 meter opp i Schweigaardsgate i retning Ryenkrysset.

Krystallen på Øvre torg, hvor det fremdeles vil være et torg. Tufte lover at det vil være betydelige friarealer og grønne lunger som et tilbud til et stadig økende publikum.

Trafikk dobles

- I dag passerer 150.000 stasjonsområdet hver dag. Når Bjørvika-utbyggingen er helt ferdig om 20 år, er det anslått at trafikken er doblet til 300.000 brukere. Det sier seg selv at dagens område ikke kan ta unna så stor trafikk, konstaterer Tufte.

http://www.estatenyheter.no/ArticleDetails/tabid/83/Skin/2/SecID/4/ArtID/13174/Default.aspx

Grauthue

May 11th, 2010, 06:30 PM

^^

Have a look at this (http://www.romeiendom.no/vaare-eiendommer/nye-oslo-s). Click "Klikk for stort bilde" at picture 1/12.

Holy crap! This is starting to look like something :banana:

Not sure if the thing in the back is ment to be Krystallklar. Looks a bit different from the renderings I've seen of it so far

EDIT: Naah. It _is_ Krystallklar. The angle just confused me a bit

SMCD

May 11th, 2010, 10:14 PM

^^ Impressive. Insane improvement. Really like the arch shapes that dominate the station.

Irios

May 12th, 2010, 12:02 AM

Nice thread ;-)

I have a gigapixel panorama photographed 23:15 2010-05-08 while a new section for Nordenga bridge (http://www.vareveger.no/nyheter/article196323.ece) was being transported across E-18 at Bjørvika. As you might know, this bridge will have two "lanes", one for motor traffic, and one for pedestrians - this bridge element will separate the two lanes.
The vehicle they are using to transport the bridge section is an SPMT, and apparently it didnt't have any difficulties climbing over the 1.5m freeway center strip - almost like a tank.

http://gigapan.no/ekeberg-night/

marshol

May 12th, 2010, 02:42 AM

:bow: omg. That's the most impressiv photo I've seen in along time. Thanks a lot for sharing!

Cool to see the waiting cars :lol:

Edit: I'll link the photo in a photo thread as well.

Grauthue

May 12th, 2010, 10:11 AM

:eek2::eek2::eek2:

That....

That gigapan thingy....

...is simply amazing.

:omg:

Thanks for posting

IceCheese

May 12th, 2010, 07:05 PM

IceCheese

May 13th, 2010, 07:03 PM

A couple of Finn.no finds for today.

First, another infill project in Grünerløkka. This one is in Korsgata, and is already complete, just starting sales now. Building has 12 appartments over six floors, where I think the bottom one is for public use.
Pictures of the finished building:

Backyard facade:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/gruner1.jpg

Front facade:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/gruner3.jpg

From a distance:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/gruner4.jpg

Old render:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/gruner2-1.jpg

Second one is further east, Rodeløkka. There only exists a render showing the backyard facade for now, but I expect better renders of exteriors also when approaching sales start. 84 appartments in this old Freia factory, which will start sales in June.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/photo-top.jpg

Mulefisk

May 13th, 2010, 07:43 PM

^^

Couldn't they have put the back part of that infill building in the front? That would have been way better. The back is cool but the front is just depressing.

mjoks007

May 13th, 2010, 08:31 PM

Looks like a nice backyard in the second project. I´m sure there would be more small-kids families moving to inner city with private recreation areas like that was a set standard.

mjoks007

May 14th, 2010, 11:30 AM

New number of byblikk (http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20%28PBE%29/Internett%20%28PBE%29/Dokumenter%20-%20diverse/byblikk01_10.pdf)
----------------------
Oslofolk går mot bilbølgen (http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article485364.ece)

muster

May 16th, 2010, 10:10 AM

And Rica G20 has finally opend. It looks good, and the white light along he facade at ground floor adds elegance to the building and the area. On the negative side I would think that traffic (tram)noise can be a problem for the guests.

http://www.rica-hotels.com/PageFiles/22213/inngang_g20-482.jpg

mjoks007

May 18th, 2010, 12:33 PM

Yes it's ugly with holes in the blocks. Please continue and fill Storgata 47, Osterhausgate 10, Bernt Ankers gate 8, St. Olavs gate 26, Brugata 6, Grønlandsleiret 16 and 61-71, Norbygata 52, among others.

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/Oster1.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/Ost2.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/Ost3.jpg

gorod

May 18th, 2010, 02:25 PM

The developers must really have high ambitions gentrification-wise for Hausmannskvartalene with this project: not one immigrant in the renderings!

dexter26

May 18th, 2010, 06:02 PM

That infill (Osterhaus) was boring, even more boring than the one next to it, in my opinion.

Which wasn't too good either, but compared to this one it's pretty OK actually.

starkwell

May 18th, 2010, 06:27 PM

That infill (Osterhaus) was boring, even more boring than the one next to it, in my opinion.

Which wasn't too good either, but compared to this one it's pretty OK actually.

looks much nicer than the one next door, which seems to have aged already - this one has much more glass in it for a start.

dexter26

May 18th, 2010, 07:44 PM

^^ You may be right to some degree, in that the older infill is actually quite ugly... Never liked it too much - but I kind of like the ground floor restaurant which to me slightly redeems the building as a whole. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the finished new infill will look, but what I posted above was my initial reaction.

(I still want more details or at least some "unique" features in buildings which is part of the reason for this reaction)

IceCheese

May 19th, 2010, 02:16 AM

2010 map for streets and squares in downtown to be renovated this year, and plans for the coming years.. Most of these we already know of, but gives a quick up-to-date for those of you that don't share my insight:)

http://www.prosjekt-levende.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/Prosjekt%20Levende%20Oslo%20%28PLO%29/Internett%20%28PLO%29/Dokumenter/Gater%20og%20plasser%20som%20er%20under%20bygging%20eller%20planlegging.pdf

There's an error with orrange no. 20, which is really more of orange no. 19.

IceCheese

May 19th, 2010, 03:11 AM

And here is today's dig-down from Ensjø. Some fresh updates.

First Gla'enga, which seems to be successfull. 62 out of 93 appartments sold. This render I can't seem to remember being posted, and shows how the project will look from Gladengveien. Very "modern"...:ohno:

From the west
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Glaenga.jpg

Second is Tiedemanns"byen" which start sales already tomorrow, Thursday!

The first step is the appartments closest (to the right) in this overview:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/tideman.png

And a closer look at the courtyard, which will be filled with rowhouses.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Tideman.jpg

And third, some new renders for the Ensjøbyen project (that's what it's called?). These are visualizations from 4b architects.
New and GLOSSY(-ier) renders from same angle as before!!:banana:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Ensj.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Ensj2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Ensj3.jpg

This area will be huge in the future!:cheers:

IceCheese

May 19th, 2010, 11:55 AM

News to me, the Skattedirektoratet highrises are getting a complete renewal, including a new facade:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/skattedirektoratet-2013-bredde.jpg

Doesn't look like their expanding the floor space in any ways, though (maybe between the lamels, though?).

Article from Byggeindustrien: http://www.bygg.no/2010/05/skattedirektoratet-får-nye-lokaler

Mr. Love Architectur

May 19th, 2010, 12:46 PM

The New and coming project from Obos in Sandakerveien, Nydalen. It is to be called Lillohagen and lies more or less on Sagene. But quite nice location with all of the other projects in Nydalen.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lillohagen-nydalenobos.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lillohagen2.jpg

IceCheese

May 19th, 2010, 12:51 PM

^^OBOS gives me the chills as usual!:ohno:

Mulefisk

May 19th, 2010, 01:22 PM

And here is today's dig-down from Ensjø. Some fresh updates.

It could all be a lot more dense, seeing how close it is to the city centre and Ensjø T-bane stasjon, but beggars can't be choosers I guess! Compared to all the other crap that's being built, this is pretty good.

At least this area is being built with a nice (relatively) big master plan, something that's way too rare for Norway.

The New and coming project from Obos in Sandakerveien, Nydalen. It is to be called Lillohagen and lies more or less on Sagene. But quite nice location with all of the other projects in Nydalen.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lillohagen-nydalenobos.jpg

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/lillohagen2.jpg

This project makes Ensjø look like Manhattan.

Ingenioren

May 19th, 2010, 02:12 PM

Skattedirektoratet highrises are getting a complete renewal, including a new facade

(.....)

Doesn't look like their expanding the floor space in any ways, though (maybe between the lamels, though?).

It will add a total off 4000 m2 between the lamels. Current space is 32 000 m2.

Main entrance:
http://www.entraeiendom.no/upload/Nyhetsbilder/FS4_Inngangsparti_505x279.jpg

Finally this complex is getting an upgrade, altough it's only ok. The way it is today Skattedirektoratet stands out as particulary ugly in Helsfyrs emerging building mass, and the area is not exactly famous for it's architectural wonders. Hopefully there will be some landscaping involved as these buildings is even more horrible than the buildings themselves.

IceCheese

May 19th, 2010, 02:40 PM

It will add a total off 4000 m2 between the lamels. Current space is 32 000 m2.

Main entrance:
http://www.entraeiendom.no/upload/Nyhetsbilder/FS4_Inngangsparti_505x279.jpg

Finally this complex is getting an upgrade, altough it's only ok. The way it is today Skattedirektoratet stands out as particulary ugly in Helsfyrs emerging building mass, and the area is not exactly famous for it's architectural wonders. Hopefully there will be some landscaping involved as these buildings is even more horrible than the buildings themselves.

:lol:Sometimes I get so hold up in the renders that I forget to read the articles! I'm surprised by the buildings age though. Thought it was some 90ties project, and was a bit bafled to read it's from 1982!

Ingenioren

May 19th, 2010, 03:04 PM

Hollenderkvartalet is on hearing untill 30/6-10:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/190510/Holland1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/190510/Holland2.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/190510/Holland3.jpg

http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/plankunngjoringer/2010/article165503-41411.html

starkwell

May 19th, 2010, 08:03 PM

IceCheese

May 28th, 2010, 11:43 AM

Another infill at Rodeløkka. Ruudshagen has the adress Gøteborggata 36, but most of it is in fact in Marstrandgata. 53 appartments in total:

Corner of Gøteborggata and Marstrandgate:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/GTBgt2.jpg

Corner of Stockholmsgata and Marstrandgate:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/GTBgt.jpg

Link to project:
http://www.jmbyggholt.no/default.aspx?id=13488

It doesn't get much more uninspired than this:ohno:

Ingenioren

May 28th, 2010, 12:19 PM

Atleast there are different heights and colours.

IceCheese

May 28th, 2010, 12:27 PM

In the renders, yes!:lol:

Mulefisk

May 28th, 2010, 12:43 PM

Why are there so many people on a street with no shops?

Is it 17. mai in the render? :dunno:

Ingenioren

May 28th, 2010, 01:54 PM

Shops in areas like these should be concentrated in certain corridors instead of spread around each street corner, these streets are basicly small streets with basicly little trough trafic, i don't see it as realistic to have shops on every street corner this far from downtown unless density is drasticly increased. I would rather see Dælenenggt. as a Strøksgate with shops all the way from Carl Berner to Sannergt. to connect these urban areas better, i hardly see any urban conversion of Christian Mikkelsensgt (Ring2), and Dælenenggt. is already quite used by locals to get from A to B (Bike+foot-trafic mainly.). There was a project approved in city council, Dælenenggt. 38 a few weeks ago with commercial ground floor activities, a big yes in my opinion to this type of planning. One other big yes is that city council went for denser building that PBE suggested:

Read about it here if interested:
http://www.sak.oslo.kommune.no/sru/utv_caseinfo.asp?utvalg=B&caseno=921909&dayno=93&Year=2010-3-24&db_source=2

Do you believe the renders to be lying, IceCheese? There will ofcourse not be full of people in the streets - but adding colours to buildings i imagine is a worse lie to buyers than streetlife. Basicly every project has streetlife in renders...

Mulefisk

May 28th, 2010, 02:55 PM

^^

That's true, this project doesn't need shops. But my comment was more about the people. It's a very common lie, and I think that's a big problem. It makes an area that will look dead look lively and interesting. If it wasn't for the photoshopped people, the developers would have had to add something else to make to make the project look nice. Like trees, better building facades, shops, or something like that.

I think it's a worse lie because colours can always be added later for a little cost, but street life requires big investments in the whole area.

The render really should have looked like this:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6885/nopeople.jpg

To compare:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/GTBgt2.jpg

IceCheese

May 28th, 2010, 07:57 PM

Do you believe the renders to be lying, IceCheese? There will ofcourse not be full of people in the streets - but adding colours to buildings i imagine is a worse lie to buyers than streetlife. Basicly every project has streetlife in renders...

If you look at the finn.no renders, it looks much more boring. I fear all colors will be some grey neuance, as many other Oslo projects. But lets hope it will be intense and colorful! :)

Spearman

May 29th, 2010, 02:45 AM

muster

May 29th, 2010, 11:12 AM

I think replacing all the happy people with a dead child on the stairs was going a bit far, don't you think? ;)

:hilarious

dexter26

May 29th, 2010, 03:42 PM

I wonder when they're going to learn from the mistakes of the late 60s and 70s (and 80s and 90s)...

I can't understand that it's so incredibly expensive to add just one or two unique features -- of some kind -- to new buildings. Either in the shape/architecture or in some form of decoration or something, anything.

Olabil

May 29th, 2010, 09:28 PM

I can't understand that it's so incredibly expensive to add just one or two unique features -- of some kind -- to new buildings. Either in the shape/architecture or in some form of decoration or something, anything.

Guess they`re relying on the buyers to do that.. Some satellite dishes would do the job, don`t you think?

No, this is really lowlife architecture imo.

Mulefisk

May 30th, 2010, 06:38 PM

I think replacing all the happy people with a dead child on the stairs was going a bit far, don't you think? ;)

Haha :lol: Didn't see that.

IceCheese

May 31st, 2010, 02:39 AM

Yo, Ingenioren. You know your ways through PBE, don't you? Feel to check out what plans were released for Trondheimsveien 113 back in May 11th? I just hate when PBE don't publish documents in some files. Why publish some, but not all?

Well, things are happening all over the place, aren't they? Yeah, we have the block on the north side of Hasleveien, which is pretty imminant. But they're still working on something south of the road too, aren't they? Trondheimsveien 113 looks like sh*t today, and a redevelopment is important, even though the planing work seems a bit stompish. Maybe you've seen this PDF from 2008, showing massive rebuilding on the plot, with buildings up to 8 floors, and demolition of several buildings? It wasn't that popular with PBE: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20(PBE)/Internett%20(PBE)/Dokumenter/Filer%20utlagte%20saker/2008/Trondheimsveien113_saksframstilling.pdf
I don't think they've given up, though. Judging from the saksinnsyn page, Lund Hagem arkitekter seems to have taken over the project, and activity is as recent as this April: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200405500
Too bad they don't have anything online:(