They change some details of the project, the rendering is quite different.

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looks... ok... and boring... not ugly... but boring

looks... ok... and boring... not ugly... but boring

dude, this is taiwan!! be grateful it's not another yucky neo-classical feaux traditional european style high-rise!! i'm SOOOOOO incredibly glad it's at least modern and contemporary and has LOTS OF GLASS!!!! :banana:


be grateful it's it's not this monstrosity :no: :

http://www.madyhouse.com.tw/upload/attachments/c/1393620422.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=187045

btw, they really need to replace or renovate that ugly pink/blue housing project in the last picture. it's so dirty and an awful eyesore.

It is designed by Australian DBI design company and 三門建築事務所.

It is DBI's rendering.
So it must be something dispute with client or government regulation.

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I actually like the design, more like a office building but still.. its better than the other stuff.. the old hotel that Kalifese is also good. Very OLD SCHOOL!

It is designed by Australian DBI design company and 三門建築事務所.

It is DBI's rendering.
So it must be something dispute with client or government.

Of course, it's by a foreign architect. I should've suspected!

And what dispute are you referring to, william?

Of course, it's by a foreign architect. I should've suspected!

And what dispute are you referring to, william?

Budget that client want to reduce the cost. Also, city council also concern about the height, they think the floor area ratio bonus is designed to desire to make more money for developers rather than for city development.

dude, this is taiwan!! be grateful it's not another yucky neo-classical feaux traditional european style high-rise!! i'm SOOOOOO incredibly glad it's at least modern and contemporary and has LOTS OF GLASS!!!! :banana:


be grateful it's it's not this monstrosity :no: :

http://www.madyhouse.com.tw/upload/attachments/c/1393620422.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=187045

Looks like some evil guy's castle in a video game...

Budget that client want to reduce the cost. Also, city council also concern about the height, they think the floor area ratio bonus is designed to desire to make more money for developers rather than for city development.

sigh. typical taiwanese. :ohno:

Yoh! Talking about negative comments... hmmm... XD

I think the floor area ratio is just right. Reducing cost is very typical Taiwanese! hahaha! O well..

In fact, I am not sure why they change some details of the original design. I guess from the information I get. But the council concern is obvious. They were caught by media and made a news for it.

This buidling itself cost about 500 million US dollars and will takes three and half years to complete. The whole project cost 700 million US dollars include purchase 2.5 hectare land site.
The project contains:
Luxury Hotel
Service Apartment
International Conference Centre
Open Park Space

This project can be back to 1990s which same client fail to complete the project in that time. Previously, the project is design to be twin tower with 175m high.

William, 5 billion US dollars is almost 3 times of Taipei 101 construction costs, impossible. Where did you take this figure from?

here is list of the most expensive single objects:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_most_expensive_single_objects

William, 5 billion US dollars is almost 3 times of Taipei 101 construction costs, impossible. Where did you take this figure from?

here is list of the most expensive single objects:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_most_expensive_single_objects
I make a mistake with one more zero.
Correct figure is 500 million and total is 700 million US dollars about half Taipei 101 total cost.

wow taipei 101 cost more to build than burj khalifa. and it's a third shorter in height!!

wow taipei 101 cost more to build than burj khalifa. and it's a third shorter in height!!

I noticed that too, probably less natural disasters there? We have to deal with earthquakes and typhoons every year :cheers:

I am actually not surprised that 101 is more expensive. Labour is more expensive in Taiwan, and like jjl said, the architectural design has to take many other things into consideration!

I am actually not surprised that 101 is more expensive. Labour is more expensive in Taiwan, and like jjl said, the architectural design has to take many other things into consideration!

I would have to agree with you on this one.

For the Nakheel Tower/Burj Dubai/Burj Khalifa, more than 90% of construction workers are South Asian (from places like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.)

At one point, there were even labor disputes during construction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa#Labour_Controversy_.28Worker_Protest.2C_2006.29

But I won't raise that issue (as it belongs to another area at another time).

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Anyways, it looks modern

Btw, where is this located exactly? and when is completion time?

so are they actually building this yihwa complex and at it's present height of 42 floors?

so are they actually building this yihwa complex and at it's present height of 42 floors?

why cant the taipei city planners just do their job and designate certain areas for high-rise development like xinyi?? this would be perfect for xinyi area.

I make a very simple summary of Taipei 101 construction work.

1. Underground of Taipei 101 is soft clay which refer to Taipei was a lake in the past.
2. Above the ground Taipei 101 need survive typoon and earthquake.

So Taipei 101 need an unique superstructure and foundation with three main componenets.

Soft clay is not good soil-type for supertall buildings. The key is foundation need to provide enough bearing capacity to hold its weight. Soft clay normally create less bearing capacity compare with other-types of soil. Solution they provide is 380 piles driven with 80m lenght and 1.5m diameter. Each pile can beat a load of 1000 metric tons to 1320 metric tons.

For the superstructure, they design to build a braced mega frame at the centre of the building join with 8 super column build with mixture of steel and concrete. They put the prefabricated steel panels together at correct position in the site and pour with concrete. Then they pust damper on the top to prevent vibration cause by wind and earthquake. The damper cost 4 million US dollars.

And also Taipei 101 stop work for a year because the earthquake accident during construction.

so are they actually building this yihwa complex and at it's present height of 42 floors?
lol see construction photo....

lol see construction photo....


The photo doesn't really show anything - just an empty lot so far. So did they reduce the height?

The photo doesn't really show anything - just an empty lot so far. So did they reduce the height?

The whole project has already approved and passed environmental impact assessment two months ago. They are building it now, they are doing excavation. The original height is 175m, now reduce to 160m.

wow taipei 101 cost more to build than burj khalifa. and it's a third shorter in height!!

I'd be that Taipei would have just as great of a skyline as Dubai if they could pay their construction workers US$2/day for labor.

I'd be that Taipei would have just as great of a skyline as Dubai if they could pay their construction workers US$2/day for labor.

well taiwan imports a lot of cheap labor from southeast asia too.

well taiwan imports a lot of cheap labor from southeast asia too.

Taiwan will not pay only 2 US dollas/ day, these labours from Southeast Asia are protected by government regulation and they are automatically apply to minimum wage legislation. That is the difference between Middle East Countries and Taiwan.

yeah.. isnt it NT$90 per hour minimum wage now? or higher? hear they were going to adjust it, but don't know if they have adjusted or not!

Lol, 3USD instead of 2USD :lol: In terms of foreign labour conditions, Taiwan is not much better than Dubai, I remember few years ago there were protests of foreign workers in Taiwan too.

I bet a large part of the costs on Taipei 101 were due to construction accident when 2 cranes fell down killing 5 people, construction was suspended for half year.

yeah.. isnt it NT$90 per hour minimum wage now? or higher? hear they were going to adjust it, but don't know if they have adjusted or not!

Now is about NT100/hour.

Taiwan will not pay only 2 US dollas/ day, these labours from Southeast Asia are protected by government regulation and they are automatically apply to minimum wage legislation. That is the difference between Middle East Countries and Taiwan.

That's exactly my point. But I do remember watching a documentary on Dubai where they said that the Indian laborers were paid around $2/day (my memory is a bit fuzzy by now) for their work in building the towers. So for each man-hour spent on construction in Taiwan, Dubai gets more than a man-day. Building on near slave-labor definitely lets you spend the money to hire renowned architects and build focus on luxuries in that case.

I do remember the Kaohsiung MRT had some scandal with foreign laborers...

Lol, 3USD instead of 2USD :lol: In terms of foreign labour conditions, Taiwan is not much better than Dubai, I remember few years ago there were protests of foreign workers in Taiwan too.

I bet a large part of the costs on Taipei 101 were due to construction accident when 2 cranes fell down killing 5 people, construction was suspended for half year.

That was due to a 7.0 earthquake, not shoddy construction.

That was due to a 7.0 earthquake, not shoddy construction.

I think taipeiwalker just means the half a year wait meant extra overrun cost for making sure the building wasn't damaged during the earthquake, and getting new cranes in etc. And williamchung was pretty much correct on the engineering aspects of 101. Deep foundations had to be driven quite deep past the soft soil to hard bed rock. This is less of an issue with Kaoshiong since the city sits on a bed rock. Then the structural dynamics have to be able to withstand earthquakes and typhoons. Someone mentioned "architectural design", but its the engineers that do all this work.

The building is located near miramar by the way. Nothing around there :)

Personally I'd rather have better working conditions and optimum minimum wage (100 Taiwan NT dollars is good) rather than exposing workers to poor working conditions and insufficient pay.

My two cents there

Anyways

The building is located near miramar by the way. Nothing around there :)

Miramar as in this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miramar_Entertainment_Park

I would not say there is nothing there because there really is something there. You have a big shopping mall and department store, a big and giant ferris wheel as well as THE BIGGEST IMAX MOVIE SCREEN IN EAST ASIA!!!

IMHO, there is definitely something going on there :)

:P I'd like this more if this was taller but the design is pretty.

that bottom portion with those sections forming topographic-like contours reminds me of chicago's aqua building. aqua is so much nicer obviously. taiwan really needs aqua-type architeture!!

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Good photo!
I am a little bit upset that the block next to this project has some buildings on it. It will never form a complete street sidewalk unless these two apartments are demolished.

Good photo!
I am a little bit upset that the block next to this project has some buildings on it. It will never form a complete street sidewalk unless these two apartments are demolished.

i think there are sidewalks but it goes underneath the front of the apt buildings. isnt this how most of taiwan's sidewalks are designed? buildings built right to the edge of the street and an underpass underneath for sidewalks.

i think there are sidewalks but it goes underneath the front of the apt buildings. isnt this how most of taiwan's sidewalks are designed? buildings built right to the edge of the street and an underpass underneath for sidewalks.

Yes, that is tradition Taiwanese street side. But I would like a wider and open sidewalk, not the one which underneath the apartment.

Yes, that is tradition Taiwanese street side. But I would like a wider and open sidewalk, not the one which underneath the apartment.

(Y) yeppp
But the apartment owners are going to park their cars there anywaysss

(Y) yeppp
But the apartment owners are going to park their cars there anywaysss

How about make it a combination ?

Put open street side between edge of building and edge of street side, and keep traditional street side underneath the building.

How about make it a combination ?

Put open street side between edge of building and edge of street side, and keep traditional street side underneath the building.

why dont you email the architect and developers and tell them? no use telling us here!

why dont you email the architect and developers and tell them? no use telling us here!
yes, start email to them!
Comen on, I should go for doing it. :cheers:

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There's a Ferris Wheel nearby?

So
I'm guessing this is near Miramar (美麗華百樂園)?

yes this is Miramar.
They are building a lot of nice building in this area.

Construction Progress as of 9/8/12: (from taiwan city forums)

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this is going to have a massive boost to the Taipei skyline!

Oct. 12

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NICE!!!! going to boost the Neihu skyline!

will these towers block the views from the ferris wheel?