King launches double-deck trains in Fès

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Fès, Jan. 18 - King Mohammed VI launched, on Thursday from the central city of Fès, double-deck trains that are to be used in Moroccan railroads network.

Twenty-four double-deck trains were purchased by Morocco for a global sum of USD 233Mn to respond to the increasing demand for this means of transportation and improve the travel quality.

The sovereign also launched large-scale railroad projects, consisting in building a new train station and duplicating the Fès-Meknès track.

The construction works of the USD 7Mn new station of Fès are expected to last for 18 months, whereas the Fès-Meknès track duplication on 57 Km will cost USD 151 Mn.

A total of USD 1.8Bn was earmarked by the Office National des Chemins de Fer (ONCF) to these major projects that will be carried out over 2005-2009. This ambitious investment program aims at increasing the efficiency of railroad services and boosting social and economic conditions.

Later on, King Mohammed launched the second phase of liquid sanitation network upgrading, worth USD 2.3Mn, and has enquired about the progress of a USD 81.7Mn water purification station.

This station, which will be operational by the end of 2009, will contribute to enhance river water quality and to strengthen the current purification stations network.

Spain and Morocco agree to rail tunnel under Gibraltar strait

The governments of Spain and Morocco have taken a further step towards the building of a rail tunnel that will connect Europe and Africa, in what will be a historic technological feat. The Spanish Minister of Development Francisco Alvarez Cascos was quoted in Arabic News.com as stating that this tunnel will be “in the 21st century what the Suez Canal was in the 19th century and what the Panama Canal was in the 20th century.”

By the time such a tunnel is in place a continuous rail link between the north of Scotland and Africa would be possible.

The agreement signed by Cascos and Moroccan Minister of Equipment and Transport Karim Ghellab is for a programme of engineering tests and studies and it is believed that digging under the strait could begin in five years time. According to the Spanish Transport Minister 27 million euros will be invested in this preliminary stage of geological survey by each of the two countries over the next three years.

It is thought that the tunnel will be 24 miles long, of which 17 miles will lie under the narrow and turbulent waters of the strait that connects the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. It will descend between 100 and 300 metres under the sea. The most suitable route has initially been established as that between Punta Paloma, 40 kilometres west of Gibraltar, and Punta Malabata, near the Moroccan city of Tangiers. A shorter route to the east that would be only about 12 miles has been dismissed, as it would require boring 900 metres below sea level. The final route and depth will be decided only after detailed geological studies.

The tunnel will be made up of two rail tunnels and one service tunnel in the middle connecting the two, similar to the Channel Tunnel running between Britain and France. The service tunnel will be the first to be built and work could begin in 2008. Spain has already bored an experimental tunnel 560 metres long. Core samples of the rock beneath the strait will be taken in order to develop a picture of its geology. A similar experiment on the Moroccan side was sunk to 300 metres.

A joint committee was set up at the beginning of December between the two nations, which approved the 2004-2006 action plan and the budget of 27 million euros. Estimates of the final cost of the tunnel vary between three and 10 billion euros. Morocco and Spain will seek financial assistance from the European Union for research and infrastructure.

The project to build a rail tunnel linking Europe and Africa was first discussed between Spain and Morocco in the 1980s and several meetings have taken place since, some under the auspices of the United Nations. The linking of the two continents would be a major achievement that would enable the development of communications, trade and cooperation to an unprecedented level. However, this is not a project intended to benefit humanity: it is a commercial enterprise. As such, all manner of new conflicts between the nations involved and those who will want to be involved will emerge, particularly over control of the Arab Magreb, a union of Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania and Algeria, by the European countries.

Tensions between Spain and Morocco have a long history, particularly over the sovereignty of Western Sahara, a Spanish former colony, which Morocco annexed in 1975. Morocco accuses Spain of supporting the Polisario Front independence movement and it is blocking the UN from approving Morocco’s claim to sovereignty. Morocco insists on the principle of territorial integrity, while Spain supports a referendum on self-determination.

These tensions have intensified in the last few years, with continuing disputes about immigration, farming and the sovereignty of the two Spanish enclaves on African soil, Ceuta and Melilla, as well as some small islands. Just a year and a half ago there was an armed exchange when Spanish marines forcibly evicted some Moroccan soldiers from the island of Perejil, which both countries claim. Diplomatic relations came to a halt when Spain withdrew its ambassador and then Morocco withdrew its ambassador.

In addition Spain wants to prospect for oil in the waters between Morocco’s Atlantic coast and the Spanish Canary Islands. Spain also blames Morocco for the collapse of the European Union Agreement that allowed Spain to fish in Morocco’s rich waters.

The two countries have made an effort to improve their relations. Some weeks ago a Spain-Morocco summit took place in Marraquech, which was attended by a delegation from Spain headed by Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. The summit reached what was described as “the biggest economic cooperation agreement in Spain’s history”. Spain provided $476 million, $279 million of which will be used to finance projects by Spanish companies. Spain is the second biggest market for Morocco’s exports after France and its second biggest investor.

Two other agreements were signed concerning employment and the reestablishment of cultural relations. This was followed this month by an agreement on joint patrols against illegal immigrants and for Spain’s right to deport hundreds of unaccompanied minors held in detention centres back to Morocco, as well as cooperation against terrorism.

Already rightist forces are beginning to air their opposition to the tunnel, spreading fears of Spain being overtaken by “illegal immigrants”, citing Britain’s problems over the Channel Tunnel. It is believed that half a million people attempt to cross the strait every year into Spain as a route to the rest of Europe. Many of them drown when the small badly constructed boats capsize.

Additionally, racist objections are voiced about the danger of Spain being invaded by terrorists, as the tunnel will connect directly with a Muslim country.

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King launches double-deck trains in Fès

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Why if the King has launched a train in MOROCCO has a picture from the RER in PARIS being used as a picture?

:crazy2:

^^ :rofl:
Good point.

This post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11366122&postcount=2) can also be found here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=432538), where I already told him that this 'news' article is over 3 years old.

And this guy is a moderator? I'd call him a spammer...

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This post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11366122&postcount=2) can also be found here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=432538), where I already told him that this 'news' article is over 3 years old.

And this guy is a moderator? I'd call him a spammer...

This post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11366122&postcount=2) can also be found here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=432538), where I already told him that this 'news' article is over 3 years old.

And this guy is a moderator? I'd call him a spammer...

If you have interesting comments or observations, we *are* interested in reading them, but if all you want to do is being negative on Moroccan threads please stop posting
If you want to discuss The Political Problems between Morocco and Spain , you can do it here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=382656

Thank you

Sure. I just received your 'official warning', which was probably your and only your initiative without Jan's consent.

Just to let you know I sent an official complaint against you to Jan.
You're way out of your league to send 'official warnings' for just such a remark.

OMG, Internet Drama!


Thanks for the picture Ali_B, the dubble decker trains are Italian and are build by AnsaldoBreda. I hope that they will work properly and won't have to many problems.

OMG, Internet Drama!

:lol:

That's what makes SSC exciting now and then...;)

Hopes for Europe-Africa train link gain
Spain, Morocco push to turn tunnel dream into modern reality
By Craig Whitlock
The Washington Post
29 January 2007

Tangier, Morocco -- FROM THE BUSTLING waterfront of this African port city, Europe appears tantalizingly close: The coast of Spain shows on the horizon fewer than 15 kilometers away. Despite decades of dreaming, no one has been able to bridge the divide that opened between the two continents more than five million years ago, forming the geological bottleneck to the Mediterranean Sea.

In recent months, however, the governments of Morocco and Spain have taken significant steps to move forward with plans to bore a railroad under the muddy bottom of the Strait of Gibraltar. If built, the project would rank among the world's most ambitious and complex civil-engineering feats, alongside the Panama Canal and the Channel Tunnel between Britain and France.

A Gibraltar transportation link has adorned official drawing boards for a quarter-century. After years of slow-moving studies and geological tests, Spain and Morocco gave the project fresh momentum last fall by hiring a Swiss engineering firm to draft blueprints. Numerous obstacles remain, and a final decision on whether to build is still a few years away, but optimistic engineers say the project could be completed by 2025.

Government officials on both sides of the Mediterranean say the tunnel would give the economies of southern Europe and North Africa an enormous boost. But the project is being driven at least as much by intangible benefits: the prospect of uniting two continents that culturally and socially remain a world apart despite their geographic proximity.

"We've already done a tremendous amount of work to make this dream come true, to go from an idea -- a concept that is just philosophical -- into something we can transform into reality," said Karim Ghellab, Morocco's minister of transportation. "It's not easy to predict a date yet, but it is a project that will happen."

Mr. Ghellab envisions a day when commuters will board a high-speed train in Seville, in southern Spain, at 8 a.m. and arrive at their workplaces in Tangier by 9:30.

Next stop, 90 minutes later: Casablanca, followed by the bazaars of Marrakech slightly more than an hour after that. Today, such a trip by ferry and rail would take at least three times as long. "It will completely change our world," Mr. Ghellab said.

Like the Channel Tunnel, the Gibraltar project would consist of twin tracks in parallel tunnels, with a service tunnel in between. But engineers said the technical challenges would far surpass those encountered in constructing the "Chunnel," which opened in 1994.

For starters, the water is deeper: about 900 meters at the shortest route across the strait, compared with just 60 meters in the channel. As a result, engineers have mapped out a different path, from Cape Malabata, Morocco, to Punta Paloma, Spain, that would run twice as far across the strait but through shallower water -- still 300 meters below sea level.

Compounding the problem is that the seabed around Gibraltar is much more permeable than the hard-chalk rock under the channel, which would require engineers to push the tunnel down by another 90 meters or so. The water pressure at that depth means the tunnel would leak heavily, no matter how well it was constructed, said Andrea Panciera, chief project engineer with Lombardi Engineering Ltd., the Swiss firm that is designing the Gibraltar link.

"This is the biggest difficulty," he said. "We have to go deep into the seabed, which is very, very soft, with a lot of water pressure on top of that."

Officials in Spain and Morocco said their governments are committed to the tunnels but acknowledged that engineering and cost hurdles won't be easy to overcome.

"The engineers will always tell you everything is possible; it's just a question of more money," said Ricardo Diaz, secretary general of the Spanish government agency that oversees the project with its Moroccan partners. "But there is one very important piece of information: the geology, which on this land is a tormented, very difficult geography, not like the Channel Tunnel or other tunnels."

Also looming large is the red ink incurred by the Chunnel. Private investors, who paid the bulk of the $20 billion price tag, have suffered heavy losses; the operator, Eurotunnel, has verged on bankruptcy for years.

While neither Moroccan nor Spanish officials have given a bottom-line estimate for their project, private analysts said it could cost $6.5 billion to $13 billion. The two nations said they are a long way from resolving financing details but that they hope to rely heavily on the European Union and the private sector.

In some ways, a tunnel would reflect changes already taking place in the form of increased trade and immigration between Europe and North Africa.

The number of Moroccan immigrants in Spain has soared in recent years; more than 500,000 live there legally, according to official statistics, while many more are undocumented residents. At the same time, droves of Europeans are rediscovering the charms of Morocco, a former Spanish and French colony that won independence in 1956. Morocco hopes to attract 10 million tourists by 2010, up from the record six million who visited in 2005.

Crowds pack the passenger ferries that shuttle between Tangier and Algeciras, Spain, especially in the summer, when seasonal workers travel back and forth. Mohammed Chatt, who runs a travel agency outside the port's gates in Tangier, said he doesn't expect the tunnel to be built quickly but has no doubt that millions of people would use it.

"Obviously, it would be very successful," he said. "If there was a tunnel, you could get on the train and just go. And if you consider the tunnel under the English Channel, well, lots of people said that would never be built, either."

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Jennifer Green contributed to this article.

King launches double-deck trains in Fès
February 07, 2008
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Fès, Jan. 18 - King Mohammed VI launched, on Thursday from the central city of Fès, double-deck trains that are to be used in Moroccan railroads network.

Twenty-four double-deck trains were purchased by Morocco for a global sum of USD 233Mn to respond to the increasing demand for this means of transportation and improve the travel quality.

The sovereign also launched large-scale railroad projects, consisting in building a new train station and duplicating the Fès-Meknès track.

The construction works of the USD 7Mn new station of Fès are expected to last for 18 months, whereas the Fès-Meknès track duplication on 57 Km will cost USD 151 Mn.

A total of USD 1.8Bn was earmarked by the Office National des Chemins de Fer (ONCF) to these major projects that will be carried out over 2005-2009. This ambitious investment program aims at increasing the efficiency of railroad services and boosting social and economic conditions.

Later on, King Mohammed launched the second phase of liquid sanitation network upgrading, worth USD 2.3Mn, and has enquired about the progress of a USD 81.7Mn water purification station.

This station, which will be operational by the end of 2009, will contribute to enhance river water quality and to strengthen the current purification stations network.

Morocco to order Duplex TGVs

THE DREAM of high speed trains in North Africa moved a step closer on October 22, when Alstom Transport announced that it had been selected to supply a fleet of 18 TGV Duplex trainsets to Moroccan National Railway (ONCFM). Subject to final negotiations, the order is due to be placed early next year.

The 320 km/h high-capacity double-deck sets would initially be used on the 200 km coastal corridor linking Tanger, Rabat and Casablanca. A 47 km cut-off between Sidi Yahya and Mechrâ Bel Ksiri now taking shape (RG 4.07 p201) is intended to form the basis for a high speed line between Tanger and Kenitra, which ONCFM expects to complete by 2013. This would cut the Tanger - Rabat journey time from 4 h 45 min to 1 h 20 min, and Tanger - Casablanca from 5 h to 2 h 10 min.

On the new Casablanca - Marrakesh line, which is being designed by Systra for speeds of 300 km/h or more, the Duplex sets would reduce journey times from 3 h 30 min to 1 h 15 min. With assistance from French companies including SNCF International and Alstom, ONCFM is planning to build up to 1 500 km of high speed lines by 2030-35, including the long-planned route from Marrakech to the Atlantic coastal town Agadir and a new Maghreb Link from Rabat to Fez and Oujda on the Algerian border.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_v...plex_tgvs.html

PARIS -- (BUSINESS WIRE)

Regulatory News:

The Memorandum of Understanding between the Kingdom of Morocco and France, which was signed Monday, October 22 on the occasion of the visit of President of the French Republic, plans to entrust the French industry, in particular Alstom ( Paris: ALO), actor with SNCF and RFF world record speed rail (1), the design, implementation, operation and maintenance of the connection at very high speed Casablanca-Tangier. Section Tanger-Kénitra (200 km) is the first phase of this project. The link, used by trains traveling at 320 km / h in speed, should be operational in 2013.

The choice of the Moroccan authorities is a recognition of french expertise in the field of very high speed rail. It allows the opening of negotiations to finalize the project, which should result in 2008. The project includes the delivery by Alstom 18 reams of trains at high speed on two levels (Duplex).

This project liaison at very high speeds has been the subject of studies since 2004. The master plan provides rail Morocco, in response to the sharp increase in passenger traffic (10 to 15% per year), the construction of 1,500 km of railway tracks at high speed on the horizon from 2030 to 2035, to carry 120 millions of passengers on two pillars: an axis Tanger-Marrakech-Agadir "Atlantic" and a "Maghreb" axis Rabat-Fes-Oujda The journey time should move to a 20 pm instead of 4 h 45 for liaison Tanger- Rabat, 2 h 10 instead of May 00 for liaison -Casablanca Tangier, and 1 hour 15 minutes instead of 3 hours 30 liaison Casablanca.

Morocco will be the first African countries to establish a rail transportation infrastructure of a very high level of technology, which conforms to the standards of the very high speed French, which is a global benchmark.

(1) Alstom, SNCF and RFF beat together on April 3, 2007, the world record speed rail to 574.8 km / h

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Alstom also sign Tuesday, October 23 with the Office National des Chemins de Fer Morocco (ONCF) a contract of 74 million euros for the delivery of 20 electric locomotives Prima new generation. With its high tensile strength (6 MW), these locomotives will be used on the entire network of Morocco from 2010 for freight operations at a speed of 120 km / h and to transport passengers to a speeds of 160 km / h. The contract also includes maintenance of locomotives for a period of two years.

The new generation of electric locomotives Prima based on a modular platform components fully tested standardized. It ensures the reliability and operating equipment, ease of maintenance and upgrading of the product.

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Alstom has finally signed a contract in the field of electricity generation, to participate in the equipment of the future Central Aïn Beni Mathar, which includes a major breakthrough.

Located about one hundred kilometers of Oujda, in northeast China, this facility will be one of the first combined cycle power in the world to use solar energy. Delivering a total power of 470 MW, it will produce 20 MW from solar energy collected by a field of solar panels with a surface area of 183,000 m2. Most of the electric power will be produced by two GT13E2 gas turbines, one steam turbine and three air-cooled turbo provided by Alstom. The order, Alstom spent by the Spanish firm Abener (Abengoa group) on behalf of the Office Moroccan National Electricity Board (NEB), which includes a maintenance contract in the long term, amounting to over 200 million euros.

Thanks to the combination of solar and combustion technologies combined cycle, the central Aïn Beni Mathar will increase the use of renewable energy sources in Morocco and to reduce the cost of production electricity while limiting emissions of greenhouse gases (CO2).

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The proposed high-speed connection, as the supply contracts Prima locomotives and equipment of the Central Aïn Beni Mathar (these two contracts represent an aggregate amount of more than 270 million euros), illustrate the very presence Alstom active in Morocco, to provide innovative solutions and environmentally friendly.

Included in Morocco for more than 40 years, Alstom is a leading supplier of the Office Moroccan National Electricity Board (NEB), in particular, the completion of the thermal power of Jorf Lasfar (4 X 330 MW) and one of the most complex hydraulic sophisticated in the world to Afourer. More than half of the electricity consumed in Morocco is produced with original equipment Alstom. In the field of rail transport, Alstom is also the leading suppliers of the Office National des Chemins de Fer (ONCF) Moroccan regarding the rolling stock and signaling.

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With a design typically Fassi (name of the habitans of fes)

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With a design typically Marrakchi (name of the habitans of Marrakech)
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Alstom serie 1300

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He was produced by a Moroccan company who also product aluminium hopper wagon for phosphate transport, bogies, air-conditioned railway cars...

Web site : http://www.scif.co.ma/

Brush-Cummins DM-602

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France agrees 625 mln eur loan to fund Morocco TGV

PARIS, Nov 14 (Reuters) - Alstom and French rail operator SNCF moved a step closer to contracts for a high-speed train link between Tangiers and Casablanca, after France agreed on a loan to Morocco to help finance the project.

French Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Idrac signed for the 625 million euro ($792.8 million) loan, which will finance rolling stock and equipment for the Tangiers-Casablanca link, during a meeting on Friday with Moroccan Finance Minister Salaheddine Mezouar, France's foreign trade ministry said in a statement.

Morocco and France had already signed an agreement on the 500 km project last year, which is worth around 2 billion euros according to press reports, allowing French companies to design, build, operate and maintain the line.

Alstom was not immediately available for comment. ($1=.7883 Euro)

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Whaouw: a CC72000 in Africa !
That's a pitty that ONCF did not repaint her with the famus Blue "Arzens".
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nice trains...

Morocco

The ONCF ordered 20 Alstom PRIMA II Morocco is the first country to have ordered this new engine

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TNR: trains navettes rapides

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Avec ses horaires ronds, sa cadence rythmée à 1 départ chaque 30 mn de 6h à 21h, le TNR assure le transport de près de 13 millions de voyageurs par an, la moitié du trafic global, dont 3 millions d’abonnés fidèles qui l’empruntent chaque jour, matin et soir.

Les nouvelles rames duplex viennent se substituer au matériel classique en offrant plus de capacité et un confort meilleur.

Le succès de cette formule est tel qu’il s’est exporté vers d’autres relations en l’occurrence Casablanca – Aéroport Mohammed V (36 trains, un départ chaque heure) , Casablanca – El Jadida (14 trains, un départ chaque 2 heures) et Casablanca – Settat (34 trains, un départ chaque heure).

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Fes new trainstation

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TNR: trains navettes rapides

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Avec ses horaires ronds, sa cadence rythmée à 1 départ chaque 30 mn de 6h à 21h, le TNR assure le transport de près de 13 millions de voyageurs par an, la moitié du trafic global, dont 3 millions d’abonnés fidèles qui l’empruntent chaque jour, matin et soir.

Les nouvelles rames duplex viennent se substituer au matériel classique en offrant plus de capacité et un confort meilleur.

Le succès de cette formule est tel qu’il s’est exporté vers d’autres relations en l’occurrence Casablanca – Aéroport Mohammed V (36 trains, un départ chaque heure) , Casablanca – El Jadida (14 trains, un départ chaque 2 heures) et Casablanca – Settat (34 trains, un départ chaque heure).

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Those trains are also used by Tren Italia

How much of the network is double track?

Those trains are also used by Tren Italia

Yes, because it's a italian train ! the name is ansaldobreda :)

How much of the network is double track?


The network extends on 1900Km, 1000Km are electrified and 370Km are double track.

A map of the existing and futur railways network :

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When does the line open to Nador and Beni Ensar? Will it have passenger as well as freight trains?

Thanks
Phil

June 2009 after Nador - Taourirt
It will make mainly for freight but for passengers too !

Morocco

The ONCF ordered 20 Alstom PRIMA II Morocco is the first country to have ordered this new engine

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wonderful... we need such things so much.. I am envy.

wonderful... we need such things so much.. I am envy.

Are u serious ? :lol:

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Espagne : Prêt de 8,3 millions d’euros pour le réseau ferroviaire marocain
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L’Espagne a accordé un prêt de 8,3 millions d’euros au Maroc qui sera attribué à l’installation d’un système télécommandé du réseau ferroviaire marocain.


Ce système de dernière génération permettra de télécommander et de superviser le transport de personnes et de marchandises du réseau ferroviaire de l’ONCF. Deux centres de contrôle seront réalisés dans le cadre du projet.

L’Office nationale des chemins de fer (ONCF) a enregistré un chiffre d’affaire de plus de 3 milliards de dirhams en 2007, soit une progression de 6% par rapport à 2006. La même année, ce sont quelques 26 millions de voyageurs et 36,5 millions de tonnes de marchandises qui ont été transportés par l’office.

June 2009 after Nador - Taourirt
It will make mainly for freight but for passengers too !

What will be exact distance of this new line? Where will there be stations on the line? How many passenger trains a day are planned?

Thanks

Others pics of the futur Prima 2 :

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Morocco Casablanca Trainstation with a tower of 110m

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What will be exact distance of this new line? Where will there be stations on the line? How many passenger trains a day are planned?

Thanks

Look at this map of the new network Taourirt - Nador :

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A total of 8 news trainstations :)

Marrakech new trainstation :

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Hello,

Can anyone tell me please of the status of electric locomotive E-1315? I ask as she has not been noted in traffic for a few years now.

Thanks
Graham

France agrees 625 mln eur loan to fund Morocco TGV


PARIS, Nov 14 (Reuters) - Alstom (ALSO.PA) and French rail operator SNCF moved a step closer to contracts for a high-speed train link between Tangiers and Casablanca, after France agreed on a loan to Morocco to help finance the project.

French Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Idrac signed for the 625 million euro ($792.8 million) loan, which will finance rolling stock and equipment for the Tangiers-Casablanca link, during a meeting on Friday with Moroccan Finance Minister Salaheddine Mezouar, France's foreign trade ministry said in a statement.

Morocco and France had already signed an agreement on the 500 km project last year, which is worth around 2 billion euros according to press reports, allowing French companies to design, build, operate and maintain the line.

Alstom was not immediately available for comment. ($1=.7883 Euro) (Reporting by Jean-Michel Belot, writing by Helen Massy-Beresford)

Marrakech new trainstation is very nice. Actually all those development is very impressive.

ONCF Trains timetables

Marrakech <> Oujda

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Tanger <> Marrakech

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ONCF Trains timetables

Is this the Ramadan timetable? It's different from the one on the ONCF site now!

This page:
http://www.oncf.ma/En/index.aspx?md=158&rb=575

Direct link to pdf:
http://www.oncf.ma/Fichiers/Documentation/Telechargement%20Horaire.pdf

Is this the Ramadan timetable? It's different from the one on the ONCF site now!

This page:
http://www.oncf.ma/En/index.aspx?md=158&rb=575

Direct link to pdf:
http://www.oncf.ma/Fichiers/Documentation/Telechargement%20Horaire.pdf
If you look closer, it's exactly the same ;)

I didn't put the Casa Port-Rabat-Kenitra timetable, because there is no need, since the frequency is one train every 30 min, from 6am to 9:30pm

If you look closer, it's exactly the same

Not quite, the one above shows two night trains Oujda - Casablanca, the one on ONCF site shows only one train. So which is correct?

Thanks
Phil

Not quite, the one above shows two night trains Oujda - Casablanca, the one on ONCF site shows only one train. So which is correct?

Thanks
Phil
You're right... i didn't see this difference ^^

I think it's my timetable who is correct, for to reasons ;

- In the pdf link that you posted, the say at the bottom of the page, that some change can come in 2008

- If you do a simulation in ONCF website* you find that there is 2 night trains from Oujda, one at 8pm and the second at 9pm ;)

* http://www.oncf.ma/Fr/horraires.aspx?ep=2&elt=26&CodeRD=0093&CodeGD=00490&CodeRA=0093&CodeGA=00380&heure=1500&date=21/1/2009

PS : you can find the timetable that i posted here :)

http://www.oncf.ma/Fr/index.aspx?md=203&rb=416

Direct link to pdf:
http://www.oncf.ma/Fichiers/Documentation/horraires_oncf.pdf

generally, the french version of the website is more updated than the english one ^^

You're right... i didn't see this difference ^^
generally, the french version of the website is more updated than the english one ^^

Thanks, I'll keep to French version in future!

north africa and middleast in general lack railways

VegaM comment ils font pour avoir des horaires dans le sahara alors qu'i n'y a aucune ligne ONCF là-bas ?

VegaM comment ils font pour avoir des horaires dans le sahara alors qu'i n'y a aucune ligne ONCF là-bas ?

c'est pour les connections de bus je crois ...

c'est pour les connections de bus je crois ...
Exact, et pareil pour Nador, Agadir et Tétouan, ce sont des autocars Supratours spéciaux (filiale de l'ONCF) qui assurent la connexion avec ces destinations et qui se trouvent juste à la sortie de la Gare... concrètement tu achètes un seul billet de train qui englobent la globalité du trajet.

http://www.oncf.ma/Fr/index.aspx?md=201&rb=408

c'est pour les connections de bus je crois ...

Okay merci :)

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Gare Nador Ville

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Morocan infrastructure interesting yet beautiful architectures! :)

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The futur Prima 2
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north africa and middleast in general lack railways

Are you serious ? :nuts:

Look once more, but a bit more closely :

http://www.ansaldobreda.it/UPLOAD/FOTO_PRODOTTI/59_Marocco_1.jpg
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How could you be serious then ? :ohno:

These railways are from the most beautiful i've ever seen...
Look at the rail stations, they are unique to Morocco, they perfectly combine modernity and ancestral architecture, you would'nt find similar all over the world...

Are you serious ? :nuts:


These railways are from the most beautiful i've ever seen...
Look at the rail stations, they are unique to Morocco, they perfectly combine modernity and ancestral architecture, you would'nt find similar all over the world...

Yes.. you don't use to see modern architecture, it's a bit kitsh, and a bad architecture, of course you don't find similar all over the world, it's tipical in 2-3 world countries, but they are okey, fine! modern as you need, also the rail system is being well developed, go Morocco!

Yes.. you don't use to see modern architecture, it's a bit kitsh, and a bad architecture, of course you don't find similar all over the world, it's tipical in 2-3 world countries, but they are okey, fine! modern as you need, also the rail system is being well developed, go Morocco!
That's what i said.

That's what i said.

It's totally opposite to what you said

It's totally opposite to what you said
Why isn't it ?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3498/nadorrail2.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7160/nadorrail1.jpg

Des photos sur la station de Fes ?

second world, third world?
i swear...i think these stations are rather immaculate and speak a great volume. These stations even silence those of the world's largest economic power--well most of these stations.

Honestly, people have to understand not every station needs to be built with steel or whatever or have designs similar to European fashion. Sometimes those rutty new stations just show a country's so called modernity but not their culture or anything else...its so plastic and fake

^^I would certainly agree with you that these interesting designs do not deserve to be scoffed at. That said, I think you're being simplistic if you say that "modernism" in railway design is some sort of European disease to show our - real or faux - commitment to progress. The extremely tasteful renovation of St. Pancras, London, and Milan main station do not point in this direction. The new railways station in eastern Naples might - but, then again, it's designed by an Arabic architect. :lol:

Personally, I like the big open hall of the railway station on the photos, complete with polished stone floors and soft, tasteful brown/orange colours. I also like to way (on one of the pics) apparently the upstairs restaurant opens toward the tracks. On the other hand, the glass portal in an imitated mameluk (?) stile from the 19th century I find a bit over the top.

The new Fes railway-station is finished :)

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The new Fes railway-station is finished :)

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Mixed modern and moroccan traditionnal architecture

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it's as beatiful as others lately opened ! ONCF is doing a great job, and the mixing modernity/tradition is very successful for me
well done mates, thanks!

second world, third world?
i swear...i think these stations are rather immaculate and speak a great volume. These stations even silence those of the world's largest economic power--well most of these stations.

Don't give a lot of credit to golem2
it seems, in other threads, he has a personnal problem with Morocco especially.

clean and beautiful stations. It reflets the local architecture and modernityat the same time.

I love the interior design and the Islamic architect of the building. It looks so modern as well. Good job

Thnx Fazil

Anyhow, some more pictures of the Tangier trainstation:

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Source google.

Is the electric traction on the Tanger line already in revenue service, or is it
still in works ?

Many thanks,

Marc.

Is the electric traction on the Tanger line already in revenue service, or is it
still in works ?

Many thanks,

Marc.

I think, now all the north line is electric. We are now weating for TGV. Work wil be begin in few months.

Futur moroccan TGV double-deck.
Speed : 320 km/h
Unities : 18 trains.

Picture by Slaoui on moroccan forum
http://www.alstom.com/pr_corp_v2/2008/corp/_files/file_50009_63142.jpg

Double-deck italian train Ansaldo-Breda.
Speed 160km/h.
Unities : 24 trains.

Pictures by Aymour on moroccan forum
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Pictures by Slaoui on moroccan forum

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By YorkTown on moroccan forum

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Morocco

The ONCF ordered 20 Alstom PRIMA II Morocco is the first country to have ordered this new engine

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Others pics of the futur Prima 2 :

http://www.transport.alstom.com/home/news/hot_events/prima/security_comfort/_files/file_35800_43636.jpg

http://www.transport.alstom.com/home/news/hot_events/prima/security_comfort/_files/file_35800_43637.jpg

Morocco is the first owner of Alstom Prisma 2.

Speed
Passengers : 160 km/h
Fret : 120 km/h

Unities : 20

Pictures by Slaoui on moroccan forum
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Tanger-med railway, connect to Tanger-med harbour (most bigger Africa's harbour, capacity 8 millions containers in 2015).

42 km.
600 000 passengers per year.

In grey railway
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By Muttie on morrocan forum

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In purple passengers harbour
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Future ro-ro Terminal building, intermodal station
7 millions passengers
700 000 trucks
Train station

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THE ABOVE PHOTOS were taken today in Zaandam train station (near Amsterdam). Graffiti often appear here in/on trains and stations. How does Morocco manage this problem, are stations and trains always as clean as on the photos you published or have these been taken on special days (inauguration, royal visits or similar) when everything was neatly repaired and cleaned for the occasion?

The question should be "why do Dutch train stations and trains have graffiti on them?" because the normal and natural way is not having them actually.

The question should be "why do Dutch train stations and trains have graffiti on them?" because the normal and natural way is not having them actually.

Unfortunately, we have here lots of graffiti "artists" who like to damage public spaces, and they act especially on places with no camera or human supervision like lifts for the disabled or yards where trains are parked at night. - Many of our graffiti vandals (but certainly not all!!!!) are bad boys of Moroccan origin (also see the detail photo with TETOUAN written by a vandal, the average Dutch graffiti perpetrator will write all kinds of dirty words but not Tetouan!) , according to the media at least, so seeing inmaculate stations and trains here on this thread quite surprises me, but perhaps social and police control in Morocco functions better?

Photos from a trip taken in early February 2010.
http://locopage.fotopic.net/c1813404_229.html

Electrification of Tanger line almost complete, ready in a couple of months probably

Awesome stations, modern but still traditional and with a local sense. That's the way you do it! The architect manages to do what in Europe (and especially Germany) we don't seem to be capable of anymore. I didnt expect to see such a high standart in Marocco I must confess.

Photos from a trip taken in early February 2010.
http://locopage.fotopic.net/c1813404_229.html

Electrification of Tanger line almost complete, ready in a couple of months probably

I have to say, great photo's and many many thnx. I hope we can use them in the Moroccan forum aswell (ofcourse with credits to you)?

I have to say, great photo's and many many thnx. I hope we can use them in the Moroccan forum aswell (ofcourse with credits to you)?

Which forum? I have looked for a Moroccan rail forum for a long time now!

Which forum? I have looked for a Moroccan rail forum for a long time now!

On this one : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1684

Amazing pics ! :cheers:
I watch all pictures, it was like a really travel. ^^

On moroccan forum, we don't have pictures of refurbished EMU train and Corail train. Have you ? :)


I thought Taourirt-Beni Nsar was a 1 line railway, and you have pictures with 2 lines in Hassi Berkane for example.

In moroccan we had thoses pictures, I don't understand.:ohno:

http://nadorcity.org/pic/gara-nador-ville-9.jpg

http://oujda-portail.net/ar/images/gare_nador3.jpg

http://oujda-portail.net/ar/images/gare_nador5.jpg
www.oujda-portail.net

On this one : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1684
Amazing pics ! :cheers:
I watch all pictures, it was like a really travel. ^^
On moroccan forum, we don't have pictures of refurbished EMU train and Corail train. Have you ? :)
I thought Taourirt-Beni Nsar was a 1 line railway, and you have pictures with 2 lines in Hassi Berkane for example.
In moroccan we had thoses pictures, I don't understand.:ohno:

I put links on the rail forum, thanks for link. The double tracks at Hassi Berkane are only in the station area. There is a very long loop there for passing trains.

The railways in Morocco looks very European. And they are in very good condition too. I had used the Moroccan railways sometimes when I have been I Morocco. Train are very good there and the tracks are in very good condition. When I’m traveling in Morocco I can’t understand it is a part of Africa. The railways looks so very European.

But one thing is very interesting in Morocco. The royal train in Morocco is not European or in European style, it’s American. Look at this link down here:

http://www.phantasrail.com/royal_train.htm

It looks very American. It looks like Amtrak Amfleet coaches. And it is also built in America by Budd in 1983. The train is built for King Hassan II but I think King Mohammed VI still using te train sometimes.

I still don’t know why the royal train is American and not in European style. This is not the Moroccan tradition because Morocco has European tradition. Maybe King Hassan visited the USA and saw some of the American trains and wanted to have something like that at home? And after that he bought an American train only because he wanted it? :)

The railways in Morocco looks very European. And they are in very good condition too. I had used the Moroccan railways sometimes when I have been I Morocco. Train are very good there and the tracks are in very good condition. When I’m traveling in Morocco I can’t understand it is a part of Africa. The railways looks so very European.

But one thing is very interesting in Morocco. The royal train in Morocco is not European or in European style, it’s American. Look at this link down here:

http://www.phantasrail.com/royal_train.htm

It looks very American. It looks like Amtrak Amfleet coaches. And it is also built in America by Budd in 1983. The train is built for King Hassan II but I think King Mohammed VI still using te train sometimes.

I still don’t know why the royal train is American and not in European style. This is not the Moroccan tradition because Morocco has European tradition. Maybe King Hassan visited the USA and saw some of the American trains and wanted to have something like that at home? And after that he bought an American train only because he wanted it? :)

1- Moroccan try to reach international standars and europeans standars in everything ; infrastructure ( highways, railways, ariports, stadiums...), agriculture and fishing because our most important commercial partner is Europe...

2- I shared your "royal train" picture. Thank you for it. We didn't have it on moroccan forum.

The train look Amtrack trains. I agree about what you wrote.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/884/trainroyalmaroc.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/trainroyalmaroc.jpg/)

I put links on the rail forum, thanks for link. The double tracks at Hassi Berkane are only in the station area. There is a very long loop there for passing trains.

Thank you for your answer.

Some of your pictures shared by "salim_rbt" on moroccan forum.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=424351&page=5

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By "amine2040" in moroccan forum

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Thank you for your answer.

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This train is the same sort of train like the AM80 in Belgium. In Belgium all of the AM80 had only 2 units when they were new. The trains in Morocco had 3 units from the begin. In the begin of 1990’s they rebuilt the trains in Belgium and they built a new unit in the middle so the trains in Belgium had 3 units like the trains in Morocco. I know the railways in Belgium looked at the Moroccan trains when they rebuilt the trains in Belgium :)

But I miss one thing at the Moroccan trains. I miss the Moroccan star at the front on the trains. I liked it and it was very typical for the Moroccan version of those trains. Now when they don’t have the star they look just like the trains in Belgium.

Wow you seem to know a lot about moroccan railways :) Actually the five star has been removed from the top of the coaches because the ONCF has been changed 4 or 5 years ago.

nice one :)

Nice updates

Morocco has great railway system. I am sure this means more people are taking train than driving?

Morocco has great railway system. I am sure this means more people are taking train than driving?

Transport Minister wants to place railway in first level for intercity journeys.

In the last decade, increase of trafic passengers of 10% per year.
2007 : 26 millions passengers

Expected
2030 : 52 millions with not HST
2030 : 133 millions with HST

Source:
ministery of tranport http://www.mtpnet.gov.ma/NR/rdonlyres/A2644C9A-669A-4BB5-BD12-E4FF192F65B2/1772/AMSTERDAM2.pdf

Marrakech railway station by Manchester School of architecture

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Marrakech railway and airport by Marrakech TV

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Wonderfullllllllllllllllllll pictures!
And what a lovely Country.
Thank you peoples.

More of the awesome Railway Station of Marrakech


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such beautiful stations !

Moroco railway stations are getting better now.

well i like the new train stations ...+1

So, more pictures for Marrakech railway station fans. :banana: :cheers: :lol:


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Fes railway station, thanks to Optimus and Midani

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Marrakech railway station, thanks to Ωρτimuş

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Intercity Corail cars refurbishment by Ωρτimuş

Rénovation des intérieurs des trains inter-cités par l'agence RCP Design Global au profit de l'ONCF

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Marrakech railway station, always wonderful :cheers:

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la nouvelle gare sera adossé a un centre commercial, des plateaux de bureau et en face d'un Hotel Tower

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Marrakech Station is sweet!

Marrakech Station is sweet!

Yes, I was there just one month ago. Pity though that it has been
built in such a way that it will always remain a terminus. Where
are all the plans for extending the railway to the south ?

Yes, I was there just one month ago. Pity though that it has been
built in such a way that it will always remain a terminus. Where
are all the plans for extending the railway to the south ?

King Hassan 2 talk since 1972, in "Le Defi" book to join Agadir to railway network. There are 2 possibilities by Essaouira, by Tiz'intest and Taroudant (to desserve both Agadir in West and Ouarzazate in East). There is also Tickka tunnel between Marrakech and Ourzazate but nothing new since a long time.

The ONCF project, is to join all big cities to TGV network before 2030. Marrakesh-Agadir highway will opened in june 2010. So ONCF busses (Supratour) will take this hisghway. It will be a good begining. 2 hours instead of 3h30min.

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Tanger-Kenitra works will begin in few weeks. Casa-Marrakesh was planned to be the first TGV line, but Tanger area is booming with Tanger med harbour. So it became an emergency to make this railway and to leave the old line for freight. We are pretty sure, that all new passengers line will be a TGV line in Morocco.

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Wait and see.

MOROCCAN KING RAISING FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT HIGH-SPEED TANGIER-CASABLANCA TRAIN
RABAT, May 31 (NNN-MAP) -- As part of the special interest shown by King Mohammed VI for large-scale projects undertaken in Morocco, the king is endeavouring to raise the funds needed to carry out the Tangier-Casablanca high-speed train (TGV) costing some 20 billion dirhams (about 1.8 billion euro), the Royal Cabinet says.

A Cabinet statement issued here Sunday said Morocco had allocated 5.8 billion dirhams to fund this project with the state contributing 4.8 billion dirhams and the Hassan II Fund for economic and social development contributing 1.0 billion dirhams.

France has agreed to provide a contribution of 900 million Euros for the financing of this project under an agreement signed in Marrakech on the occasion of an official visit to the kingdom in October 2007 by French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

The agreement was part of efforts aimed at strengthening the exemplary partnership and the close ties of friendship and fruitful co-operation linking Morocco to France.

In order to provide the remaining 400 million Euros needed to implement the project, the king has contacted leaders of brotherly countries who have responded positively and expressed their willingness to actively contribute to the achievement of this project.

In this respect, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah Ibn Abdulaziz granted Morocco some 200 million USD. King Mohammed VI expressed to the Saudi monarch his deep appreciation for this generous support that reflects the closeness of relations and active solidarity uniting Morocco and Saudi Arabia.http://namnewsnetwork.org/v2/read.php?id=122070

In this respect, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah Ibn Abdulaziz granted Morocco some 200 million USD. King Mohammed VI expressed to the Saudi monarch his deep appreciation for this generous support that reflects the closeness of relations and active solidarity uniting Morocco and Saudi Arabia.
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it's just awful to see some saudis suffer from poverty while the king donating to outsiders some 200m :(

it's just awful to see some saudis suffer from poverty while the king donating to outsiders some 200m :(

It doesn't work that way :nuts:
When you give money or a loan to "outsiders" usually you get protection of your interests in their country, you gain an ally, you get a special treatment in their country...

Morocco sent troops to Saudi Arabia to fight Hoothies (we send troops to help Saudi Arabia anytime they need them), in Morocco there are many residences of the Royal family of SA, Many Saudi companies are present in Morocco and have interests here...

Morocco have poor people eventhow we help many countries. Don't compare National Social subsides given to the poor and Geopolitics. It's just silly!! :nuts:

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Stunning pictures. I never knew Morocco was so beautiful and the railway infrastructure and rolling stock look like they're of very high quality.

I'll definitely be visiting some day!

Stunning pictures. I never knew Morocco was so beautiful and the railway infrastructure and rolling stock look like they're of very high quality.

I'll definitely be visiting some day!

You're welcome in Morocco. And you will discovered legendary moroccan hospitality. :)

It doesn't work that way :nuts:
When you give money or a loan to "outsiders" usually you get protection of your interests in their country, you gain an ally, you get a special treatment in their country...

Morocco sent troops to Saudi Arabia to fight Hoothies (we send troops to help Saudi Arabia anytime they need them), in Morocco there are many residences of the Royal family of SA, Many Saudi companies are present in Morocco and have interests here...

Morocco have poor people eventhow we help many countries. Don't compare National Social subsides given to the poor and Geopolitics. It's just silly!! :nuts:

i don't have the time and desire to respond to all of this but ay ay ay morocco sent troops to saudi arabia :nuts: and your sources are? ahmadinejad.org? or the other spanish news paper? no one has helped us against the houthis. unless if you like believing in hoaxes then its up to. sorry for screwing this thread up :runaway:

Corail coach renovated

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The new control center for ONCF builded by Adif and Indra for 30 millions euro. The same which is on HSL in Spain. The same system could be use for moroccan HSL Tanger-Kenitra.

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L'ONCF achève le projet de modernisation de la ligne de Tanger

Rabat, 27/06/10

L'Office national des chemins de fer (ONCF) vient d'achever le projet de modernisation de la ligne de Tanger, nécessitant une enveloppe de 1,8 milliard de dirhams, a annoncé l'ONCF dans un communiqué.

Ce projet qui permet de réduire d'une heure le temps de parcours au départ de Tanger vers Rabat et Casablanca et d'augmenter le débit de la ligne en doublant le nombre de trains et en les cadençant à un départ chaque 2 heures englobe 3 composantes, précise la même source.

Il s'agit de la construction d'un raccourci de 45 kms entre Sidi Yahia et Mechraâ Belksiri permettant aux trains en provenance ou à destination de Tanger d'éviter le détour par Sidi Kacem et le renouvellement de 70 kms de voie entre Tanger et Mechraâ Belksiri permettant d'augmenter de manière significative la vitesse des trains.

Le projet consiste également en l'électrification de 350 kms de lignes de Tanger Med à Sidi Kacem et du raccourci Sidi Yahia-Mechraâ Belksiri.

A cet effet, un nouveau plan de transport sera mis en service à partir de 29 juin courant. Ce sont désormais 24 trains par jour au lieu de 10 qui assureront la desserte de Tanger vers les différentes villes du Maroc.

14 trains passant par Rabat et Kénitra assureront l'axe Tanger-Casablanca, au lieu de 6 actuellement, en plus de 2 trains de nuit reliant Tanger à Marrakech, et 8 trains par jour seront consacrés à l'axe Tanger-Fès, avec des horaires couvrant le début et la fin de journée, dont 2 trains de nuit reliant Tanger à Oujda et à Nador.

Ce projet de modernisation de la ligne de Tanger permettra aussi de drainer au rail un trafic estimé à 5 millions de voyageurs à l'horizon 2014 au lieu de 1,8 actuellement.

Par ailleurs, la mise en service de ce projet profitera également aux trains de marchandises reliant le port Tanger-Med à Casablanca en réduisant leur parcours de 60 km pour assurer un trafic plus fluide entre le nord du Royaume et sa capitale économique.

A travers ce projet, les distances se réduisent, l'offre de transport s'améliore, et de plus en plus Tanger devient une des capitales majeures d'un espace national mieux en mieux intégré.

Par ailleurs, et après 30 mois de travaux, l'ONCF mettra prochainement en service la nouvelle gare de Rabat-ville.

http://www.map.ma/fr/sections/economie/l_oncf_acheve_le_pro

Sum-up :

Tanger classic line refurbishment is finish, with a new 47km short-cut that will reduce journey betwenn Tanger and Rabat of 1 hour and with the 70km new rails.

Each day from Tanger 24 trains instead of 10 for all Morocco.

The trains capacity for Tanger-Rabat will be double with 1 trains each 2 hours, 14 tains per day.

5 millions people are expected in 2014 in Tanger, instead of 1,8 now.

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Amazing stuff !! Good luck for the Morocco 2026 FIFA World Cup bid ;)

great .. wow

Mockup of the future High-Speed Train

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The double deck Train Z2M EMU

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The newly renovated Rabat-City railstation

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The New Prima II Locomotive

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Very nice railway system and i would love a train ride in the beautiful countryside.The only gripe i have with Morocco is i hate the way they and Algeria try to outspend each other militarily.Well you have to have security but i wish they got along better.

Prima II (E-1403) in Rabat Railway Station

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FEZ Railway Station

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Nice update from google earth, Marrakech Railway Station in 3D

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Marrakech railway station works by http://www.jetalu.com

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Nador railway station works by www.jetalu.com
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A quick overview of the future High-Speed Train in Morocco, expected to link between Tangier and Casablanca in 2015

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Great to see!!! Realy amazed by the Ramat-railwaystation :-)

Prima II, E-1420

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La Prima II, E-1406

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La Prima II, E-1410

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La Prima II, E-1417

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Refurbished train cars

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01/08/2010 Optimus

Excellent photos once again optimus!

Which manufacter will built those new high speed trains?
They look beautiful (colors etc)!

Oh yes, is it possible to connect Spain with Marroco (via a tunnel)(because I think it would be an interesting line for tourist (from Marocco to Spain and from Spain, France etc to Marocco))?

grtz

Which manufacter will built those new high speed trains?
They look beautiful (colors etc)!

Oh yes, is it possible to connect Spain with Marroco (via a tunnel)(because I think it would be an interesting line for tourist (from Marocco to Spain and from Spain, France etc to Marocco))?

grtz

Alstom most likely.

Which manufacter will built those new high speed trains?
They look beautiful (colors etc)!

Oh yes, is it possible to connect Spain with Marroco (via a tunnel)(because I think it would be an interesting line for tourist (from Marocco to Spain and from Spain, France etc to Marocco))?

grtz


New HST will be build by Alstom. 18 TGV Duplex (double deck).

A tunnel is in project. In automn it will be presented to UE by Spain and Morocco for financement.

HST journey time from Casablanca

after Gibraltar tunnel made

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Z2M EMU

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Z2M Double Decker EMU

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01/08/2010 Optimus

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01/08/2010 Optimus

Last time i traveled those Z2M EMU from Fes to Rabat several times. It is so crazy to see how fast things go crappy in Morocco. People do not have any respect for public spaces, public properties. Some train sets look like they have been in service for decades. Damaged windows and seats, toilets disgusting and dirt everywhere. Really sad to see. Oki it is really lovely to see many children and Morocco is very child friendly, but is it really necessary to allow everything? They play with their dirty shoes like crazy ontop the seats. They eat sweets non stop and put them also everywhere from the windows to the armrests. I wonder how the new HS trains will be treated by the riders.

Last time i traveled those Z2M EMU from Fes to Rabat several times. It is so crazy to see how fast things go crappy in Morocco. People do not have any respect for public spaces, public properties. Some train sets look like they have been in service for decades. Damaged windows and seats, toilets disgusting and dirt everywhere. Really sad to see. Oki it is really lovely to see many children and Morocco is very child friendly, but is it really necessary to allow everything? They play with their dirty shoes like crazy ontop the seats. They eat sweets non stop and put them also everywhere from the windows to the armrests. I wonder how the new HS trains will be treated by the riders.

Yes it's sad... But it's the parents fault ! Last time i've seen a kid doing this, i kicked him in "it's" mothers face. And she said : "You did right !"

;62113851']Yes it's sad... But it's the parents fault ! Last time i've seen a kid doing this, i kicked him in "it's" mothers face. And she said : "You did right !"

^^ :lol:

Morocco needs desperately some civil society. Some ethics how to act in puplic spaces. Although modernity just started in Morocco it is no wonder why 90 % of the people still act like being on a village souk. I still wonder how long it will take how they learn how to exit and enter a train or a bus? They rush to the doors while the bus / train is even moving and just press into the entrance. It is completely crazy to see old women trying to exit the train while everybody just want to get a free seat as quickly as possible and just act very egocentric.

Last time i traveled those Z2M EMU from Fes to Rabat several times. It is so crazy to see how fast things go crappy in Morocco. People do not have any respect for public spaces, public properties. Some train sets look like they have been in service for decades. Damaged windows and seats, toilets disgusting and dirt everywhere. Really sad to see. Oki it is really lovely to see many children and Morocco is very child friendly, but is it really necessary to allow everything? They play with their dirty shoes like crazy ontop the seats. They eat sweets non stop and put them also everywhere from the windows to the armrests. I wonder how the new HS trains will be treated by the riders.

I traveled myself many times in those trains Z2M and newly refurbished Corail cars, but i dont see what you are talking about, all the new trains and railstations are well maintained, maybe you confused them with the old ones

And here below some pics that i took myself recently
so can you put the photos you've taken yourself to make a comparison?

Do you seen some of these train cars and railstations listed below (since you say that you traveled between Rabat and Fez) or are you juste lying ?
Last time i traveled to Fez i dont see the Z2M any more, but the refurbished Corail trains and the old ones

Are these seats looks like a damaged ones ??? :nuts:
(01/08/2010)
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http://a.imageshack.us/img134/6136/dsc00081kh.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/867/dsc0014zg.jpg

Here is the Railstation of Fez, are you sur that you took the train from here ?
and do you seen some damages or dirt or broken windows ?
(02/06/2010)
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9382/dsc08784d.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6643/dsc08774.jpg

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And here the Railstation of Rabat, any damages ?
(07/07/2010)
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6797/dsc09626c.jpg


And here Tangier Railstation, so ?
(01/08/2010)
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(all photos are mine except the video)

I traveled myself many times in those trains Z2M and newly refurbished corail cars but i dont see what you are talking about, all the new trains are well maintained, maybe you confused them with the old trains

Last time i travel to Fez i dont see the Z2M any more, but the refurbished corail trains and the old ones


Na, i traveled most times a double decker EMU Z2M. But anyway. There are newer and older ones - at least they look like well maintained and badly maintained.



Here is the Railstation of Fez, do you seen some damages here ?

And here the Railstation of Rabat, any damages ?

And here Tangier Railstation


That tiny rail stations in that major cities are kept clean with immense effort. In Fes there are at least constantly 3 service craft that clean the site. Which is rather small. Let's see how the new stations look in some years.

Overall i have the feeling that in Mediterranean countries things go crappy much faster. There is overall no difference between Spain, Southern Italy, Greece or Morocco. Streets, places, houses are built up nicely but turn ugly within few years.


Since Moroccan population is almost concentrated in several major cities it is very efficient to build up a efficient rail network. I think that infrastructure is ahead the people's mentality!

Since Moroccan population is almost concentrated in several major cities it is very efficient to build up a efficient rail network. I think that infrastructure is ahead the people's mentality!

People are dumb...not all of them but a big majority.

The main problem in Morocco is EDUCATION

People are dumb...not all of them but a big majority.

The main problem in Morocco is EDUCATION

But since there is this high fertility many young people will have no interest in learning everything because they will not be able to find a proper job anyway. There are two main goals for morocco: To maintain the economic growth and to reduce fertility.

But since there is this high fertility many young people will have no interest in learning everything because they will not be able to find a proper job anyway. There are two main goals for morocco: To maintain the economic growth and to reduce fertility.

Which high fertility are you talking about?

Fertility in Morocco is medium and decreasing. In big cities it's already the same as in Western Europe.

The problem is the education system! :bash:

Awesome station designs! Very modern, clean and beautiful Moroccan architecture style, love it! Looks like Maroc is going to have a one of the best railway systems in Africa! Something Egypt will never get :(

Which high fertility are you talking about?

Fertility in Morocco is medium and decreasing. In big cities it's already the same as in Western Europe.

The problem is the education system! :bash:


Population growth is much higher than the increase of the jobs needed. There is still a fertility of 2.4 in Morocco. In combination with the age distribution
http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2010.png
it is still a real disaster. Just look how many people will need a job in the next decade!


Just gut the newest data. Total fertility is not 2.4 but 2.57! They are still breeding like hell :D
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/mo-morocco/peo-people

Double post.

Population growth is much higher than the increase of the jobs needed. There is still a fertility of 2.4 in Morocco. In combination with the age distribution
http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2010.png
it is still a real disaster. Just look how many people will need a job in the next decade!


Just gut the newest data. Total fertility is not 2.4 but 2.57! They are still breeding like hell :D
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/mo-morocco/peo-people



Breeding like hell? 2.1 is the replacement ratio. :lol: Such an obvious troll..

Let's see how the new stations look in some years.


Tanger ville opened in 2003, it still looks brand new. :lol:

Tanger ville opened in 2003, it still looks brand new. :lol:

Yeah, it's not really difficult to keep such tiny station cleen for a city of 700 000. Just look how run down this quarters are.

http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.775564,-5.800427&spn=0.002642,0.005359&t=h&z=18

or..

http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Rue+Marche+Verte&daddr=Rue+du+Prince+Heritier&hl=de&geocode=FZTZIQIdRlSn_w%3BFfbQIQIdSmen_w&mra=mift&mrsp=1,0&sz=17&sll=35.770881,-5.809911&sspn=0.005284,0.010718&ie=UTF8&ll=35.779673,-5.808699&spn=0.005283,0.010718&t=h&z=17


We had this discussion months ago and will not find a common point. In my opinion the majority of all Moroccans do not respect public properties and places. Their mentality is far behind of those Moroccans that want to build up infrastructure and private projects that are quite nice on a global scale.


Breeding like hell? 2.1 is the replacement ratio. :lol: Such an obvious troll..

You are funny. On a global scale 2.5 is very high. Just look at all those millions of 10 up to 25 year old people. They need millions and millions of new jobs in the next years. And do not forget, there is a quite nice correlation one may find if you plot poverty or religiosity against fertility. This millions of young people coming from poor families will create a lot of problems the next decades.

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2010.png

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2020.png

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2050.png

^^ Isek, can you please stop trolling on the moroccan threads! I'm really tired of reading your crap, you never make a positive comment about Morocco! So I'm asking you nicely to stop this!

Na, i traveled most times a double decker EMU Z2M. But anyway. There are newer and older ones - at least they look like well maintained and badly maintained.

That tiny rail stations in that major cities are kept clean with immense effort. In Fes there are at least constantly 3 service craft that clean the site. Which is rather small. Let's see how the new stations look in some years.

Overall i have the feeling that in Mediterranean countries things go crappy much faster. There is overall no difference between Spain, Southern Italy, Greece or Morocco. Streets, places, houses are built up nicely but turn ugly within few years.

Since Moroccan population is almost concentrated in several major cities it is very efficient to build up a efficient rail network. I think that infrastructure is ahead the people's mentality!

And how many services are there to keep this old dark Stuttgart railstation out of dirt ??

it looks more like an industrial warehouse with those disgusting rusty pylons !! and a lot of dirt and shrubs on the track :bash:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/93/S2_Stuttgart_Hbf_oben_22052010.jpg/450px-S2_Stuttgart_Hbf_oben_22052010.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/stuttgart21/images/3-railway-yard-land.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/stuttgart21/images/2-stuttgart-21-project.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/stuttgart21/images/5-s-bahn-services.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/stuttgart21/images/4-current-concourse.jpg


Your trains and metros are always clean and colorfull as that ?

The German Railway has in Greater Berlin in the last year 6.8 million euros for the elimination of vandalism damage output. This decreased the total loss compared to 2007 amounting to 700,000 euros, in comparison, Federal Berlin but still in second place behind North Rhine-Westphalia

http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00398/Grafitti_01_BM_Berl_398105b.jpg





So we can help you to keep it clean like this one

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7364/44511034527962d7be08b.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img72/9738/10041005383566038408494.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2669/26021840v.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img191/8421/3247045407b4cebc43c8b18.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img826/4491/09050907064642867918249.jpg

http://www.ametema.com/images/realisations/album/REALISATION_003/slides/denuit1.jpg

Or like this one

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ot14D-L2RZ8/S2PR3XFseoI/AAAAAAAAAgg/980dCagk9ik/s912/P1020431.JPG


Such a big difference :nuts:

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http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xQuehlHLk9w/TC_5x_1mSUI/AAAAAAAAAKc/PhET5IQq5jQ/s800/4755685719_526b06bae6_b.jpg


Even this small Nador railstation are more clean and beautiful

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5407/61026101.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2850/30048171.jpg

http://oujda-portail.net/ar/images/gare_nador3.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img199/4083/garanadorville112350417.jpg




And overall you have such a bad HSR reputation with the worst accident in history of high speed in 1998 with ICE 1 (101 deads :ohno:)

So you can be sure that the TGVM will be as clean as those railstations above and hopefully much safer than this one below


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Ice_eschede_1.jpg

Yeah, it's not really difficult to keep such tiny station cleen for a city of 700 000. Just look how run down this quarters are.

http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.775564,-5.800427&spn=0.002642,0.005359&t=h&z=18

or..

http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Rue+Marche+Verte&daddr=Rue+du+Prince+Heritier&hl=de&geocode=FZTZIQIdRlSn_w%3BFfbQIQIdSmen_w&mra=mift&mrsp=1,0&sz=17&sll=35.770881,-5.809911&sspn=0.005284,0.010718&ie=UTF8&ll=35.779673,-5.808699&spn=0.005283,0.010718&t=h&z=17


We had this discussion months ago and will not find a common point. In my opinion the majority of all Moroccans do not respect public properties and places. Their mentality is far behind of those Moroccans that want to build up infrastructure and private projects that are quite nice on a global scale.




You are funny. On a global scale 2.5 is very high. Just look at all those millions of 10 up to 25 year old people. They need millions and millions of new jobs in the next years. And do not forget, there is a quite nice correlation one may find if you plot poverty or religiosity against fertility. This millions of young people coming from poor families will create a lot of problems the next decades.

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2010.png

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2020.png

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/mo-2050.png

What the hell! who is this troll? why on earth would you talk about the projected piramid of age, in the morrocan rail network thread!?
Casamor, give this hater an infraction, the trolling is obvious!!! beside teh off topic!

Marrakech Railstation

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Google Earth update! by Macaza

Marrakech Railstation

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by Macaza

^^ Isek, can you please stop trolling on the moroccan threads! I'm really tired of reading your crap, you never make a positive comment about Morocco! So I'm asking you nicely to stop this!

This guy is not just a troll, he's the nazi kinde of trolls! he targets all the arab coutries, look at his posts, palestine, uae, morocco... all bullshit trolling!

^^

Oh, yeah a German nazi. Something that takes you from your flower-happy-superbmorocco-curtain-threads back to reality must be a nazi. A nazi that travels morocco so many times every year? I painted such a nice tramway map for Fes. Can't remember? I am constantly reading Moroccan subforum and very interested in. Why are you not prepared for a fair discussion? I guess that i traveled more times Moroccan railways than the average Moroccan.

If in the year 2150 Moroccan railways reached the German 69.76 billion person*kilometer/year we may discuss again. How to compare 37.000 km to 1.907 km?

Btw there are even worse stations in Germany. Look
http://www.siski.de/~carsten/pictures/Bahn/Blindheim-Hauptansicht.jpg
But come on, there are 5.600 train stations in Germany.

^^ Yup, like when you started posting ugly pictures of Casablanca!? Why don't you go and troll away!?
For the last time, PLEASE stop posting useless comments in the Moroccan threads! I warned you!!!

^^

Oh, yeah a German nazi. Something that takes you from your flower-happy-superbmorocco-curtain-threads back to reality must be a nazi. A nazi that travels morocco so many times every year? I painted such a nice tramway map for Fes. Can't remember? I am constantly reading Moroccan subforum and very interested in. Why are you not prepared for a fair discussion? I guess that i traveled more times Moroccan railways than the average Moroccan.

If in the year 2150 Moroccan railways reached the German 69.76 billion person*kilometer/year we may discuss again. How to compare 37.000 km to 1.907 km?

Btw there are even worse stations in Germany. Look
http://www.siski.de/~carsten/pictures/Bahn/Blindheim-Hauptansicht.jpg
But come on, there are 5.600 train stations in Germany.

Dude, you finde a way to mouth shit about the Dubai Highway netork? who could you do that?!!! What's your problem with us? ok, forget about it we don't want to know, we just don't want your haters commonts on morocco! ok? got it? so now go to somme german thread brag about anything you want, don't care! just don't comback to morocco or to a moroccan thread!

Casa-Port Railstation Project

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by Casawi

http://a.imageshack.us/img188/3023/garecasaport3.jpg

by Gadiri

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http://a.imageshack.us/img189/8913/1vuearienncasama.jpg

by Gadiri

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by Gadiri

nice I hope it comes true :cheers:

^^

Oh, yeah a German nazi. Something that takes you from your flower-happy-superbmorocco-curtain-threads back to reality must be a nazi. A nazi that travels morocco so many times every year? I painted such a nice tramway map for Fes. Can't remember? I am constantly reading Moroccan subforum and very interested in. Why are you not prepared for a fair discussion? I guess that i traveled more times Moroccan railways than the average Moroccan.

If in the year 2150 Moroccan railways reached the German 69.76 billion person*kilometer/year we may discuss again. How to compare 37.000 km to 1.907 km?

Btw there are even worse stations in Germany. Look
http://www.siski.de/~carsten/pictures/Bahn/Blindheim-Hauptansicht.jpg
But come on, there are 5.600 train stations in Germany.

:lol: Isek bro, you seem to have attracted the wrath of Morocco on you. I know you mean no harm sometimes, but I think you get carried away in your visions of Morocco which you acquire through your travels. Its not the same when you live here and I think thats what the other forumers were trying to point out to you. BTW I agree with you about the fact that some of my fellow countrymen do not respect public property. :nuts:

Dude, you finde a way to mouth shit about the Dubai Highway netork? who could you do that?!!! What's your problem with us? ok, forget about it we don't want to know, we just don't want your haters commonts on morocco! ok? got it? so now go to somme german thread brag about anything you want, don't care! just don't comback to morocco or to a moroccan thread!

:lol:

Man, how you can remember my statement about the 20 lane desert highway in Dubai? You must be crazy to be offended my such statements! Man, relax - for a German it is crazy to see a 20 lane highway running through nothing with traffic a 2 lane state highway could carry.

Why i should not travel morocco? It is overall a fantastic country for backpacking. Food is great, the landscape is outstanding and the girls are beautiful! Relax man. :cheers:

:lol:

Man, how you can remember my statement about the 20 lane desert highway in Dubai? You must be crazy to be offended my such statements! Man, relax - for a German it is crazy to see a 20 lane highway running through nothing with traffic a 2 lane state highway could carry.

Why i should not travel morocco? It is overall a fantastic country for backpacking. Food is great, the landscape is outstanding and the girls are beautiful! Relax man. :cheers:

I'm very relax, you just have to stop, saying crap about my country! casamor warned you! we're very nice peple, but i assure you, you don't want as to put our angry face! so what a'm asking is not musch! PLEASE just stop making bad comments on EVERY morrocan thread in the international section! period!

OK, stop! It was your last useless post in this thread, you made it unreadable enough! If you want to make a nice comment about the moroccan trains or the rail stations, you're welcome. If you want to make a new joke about Morocco, you will receive an infraction.

If his comments actually were true or had some good points, it would have been a good contribution. But all I see are assumptions, while they are already countered. The main trainstations are clean and will be clean for a long time. Its kind of sad (somehow pathetic) that a person like Isek wants to compare Germany with Morocco and even he fails with that, it appears that Germany has much more crap ass trainstations and trains than the 1000 times poorer Morocco. Hmmm.. Oh, and no Isek we will never have that much trainstations as germany, simply because the whole urban lay-out is different and Morocco will not ever reach the population of Germany. The current network is sufficient and will grow when needed. Your points have too many flaws in them, thats why you desperatly try to change the subject to population size, and trying to claim Moroccans breed like crazy - while the total fertility rate is 2.23 children born/woman (2010 est.) which is well below the world average of 2.56.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html?countryName=Morocco&countryCode=mo&regionCode=af&rank=108#mo

Above all, the most saddest post was the post with the link to sattelite images of so called run-down quarters. Every Moroccan which has been to Tanger knows that those areas are actually empty pieces of land where the land owner has not started to build something. So yes, those are patches of sand between buildings. Apparently, as a so called Morocco-visitor, you don't appear to know anything about that.

I'm very relax, you just have to stop, saying crap about my country! casamor warned you! we're very nice peple, but i assure you, you don't want as to put our angry face! so what a'm asking is not musch! PLEASE just stop making bad comments on EVERY morrocan thread in the international section! period!

Hey, that's very untrue. 99 % of all time i am just watching doing no comments. I just do not understand, why so many people are hyping their country and not giving a representative view on the things. Just look at compare-able German threads. They are showing the nice AND ugly things. They discuss problems not only visions or the newest new plans and technology. If there are hundreds of photos showing new and beautiful Moroccan train sets one should also mention that there is some problem to keep them maintained. It seems for me that some of you give a picture of your country that has little to do with the actual situation. Morocco is on advance that's very good, but give a realistic picture for somebody that has never been to Morocco.


That's my point and now we can go back to topic and i will avoid making comments that drive the moroccan soul mad.

Africa today
http://www.solidaritaet.com/images12/eisenbahnen-heute.png

Africa someday
http://www.solidaritaet.com/images12/eisenbahnen-morgen.png


and a nice picture - i guess somewhere around Meknes..
http://bahnpics.com/nil/2010%20Marokko/10.02.08%20Fes/DSC_6892k%20copy.jpg


I found this on
http://bahnpics.com/nil/2010%20Marokko/Marokko10.htm
This is really an impressive documentation about a German that travels Morocco just to see the railway! That guy must be awesome, he is tracking is journeys with GPS and uploads the data to Googlemaps.
http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=http://www.bahnpics.com/nil/10020700.kmz&sll=46.362093,9.036255&sspn=6.990702,16.907959&ie=UTF8&ll=34.085934,-4.660263&spn=0.262161,0.528374&t=h&z=12

http://bahnpics.com/nil/2010%20Marokko/10.02.12%20Casa/DSC_7105k%20copy.jpg

Thank you.

You should visit our Forum, you'll see that we are talking about problems too ! :D

The TGV thread for example ! :lol:

;62335077']Thank you.

You should visit our Forum, you'll see that we are talking about problems too ! :D

The TGV thread for example ! :lol:

It's just about my bad French. But i know that there is a hot discussion about the need and the big amount of money that has to spent on the HSR. It seems that Morocco wants to push Tanger to the second economic metropolis after Casa. Oki, Tanger is already the second largest economic spot, but i guess the king wants more. What i wonder is, that there is comparably so little investment in the cities of Meknes and Fes. Their region is even more populous than Tanjah - Titwan. For me there is a huge difference in the prosperity of Fes compared to Tanjah also Fes is - until now - bigger and histrical much more improtant for Morocco. There are a lot of leading people coming from Fes but now settled down in Rabat/Casa and they are doing not really much for their hometown. It seems they want to concentrate growth around the coastline.

Developments in fes:

Melrose country house:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3236/sxzaswaz.jpg

Oueed Fes:
http://www.tourinvest.ma/upload/produits/amenageur-plan-fr71.jpg

FesShore(IT city):
http://www.2tweb.net/images/stories/reichenfes4.jpg

Ressurection of the old river:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4669/231559.jpg

Ain chkaf new city:
http://www.in-vi.com/img_in/PROJEKTY/2010-02-26_aerial_sm_03.jpg

New fes teaching hospital
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plage de fes:
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A new mall:
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Plus the biggest highway in morocco(fes oujda) and very sour Marrakech Fes then Fes tetouan!

So no fes is not left behind! and please for the 100th time stop polluating the moroccan threads, with this kinde of stuff, so here we talk about the TRAINS! so unless you want to talk about trains in fes or wathever your favorite city is, yo go ahead, if you want to talk about something else, it's definitely not the right place!

by the way look at what you've done? the thread is unreadable!!!!!! and the list goes on and on...

by the way look at what you've done? the thread is unreadable!!!!!! and the list goes on and on...

Why are you crying? I was mentioning that there is a lot of rail infrastructure development along the coastline. The tracks between Meknes and Fes are nice but what about the tracks between Meknes and Sidi Kacem?

Why are you crying? I was mentioning that there is a lot of rail infrastructure development along the coastline. The tracks between Meknes and Fes are nice but what about the tracks between Meknes and Sidi Kacem?

i'm gonna let you answer yourself

What i wonder is, that there is comparably so little investment in the cities of Meknes and Fes

so i was just answering you! but the main point is that we're in the fu*ing railway section and you're fu*ing making it unreadable with all your bullshit about the piramid of age and the "lack" of investment in fes! it's about fu*ing trains! we don't want your opignon! GET OUT OF HERE!:bash::bash::bash::bash:

LoL...

Oh come on filsdupetit ! :D

Peace ! :o

It's just about my bad French. But i know that there is a hot discussion about the need and the big amount of money that has to spent on the HSR. It seems that Morocco wants to push Tanger to the second economic metropolis after Casa. Oki, Tanger is already the second largest economic spot, but i guess the king wants more. What i wonder is, that there is comparably so little investment in the cities of Meknes and Fes. Their region is even more populous than Tanjah - Titwan. For me there is a huge difference in the prosperity of Fes compared to Tanjah also Fes is - until now - bigger and histrical much more improtant for Morocco. There are a lot of leading people coming from Fes but now settled down in Rabat/Casa and they are doing not really much for their hometown. It seems they want to concentrate growth around the coastline.

You already gave the answer to your own question within your own post. Fes and Meknes are HISTORICAL cities, with a lot of cultural heritage. These two cities will (just like Marrakech) focus on tourism. They are not industrial hubs, nor will they ever be industrial hubs. Also because of the fact large proportions of those cities are UNESCO heritage. Cities like Tangier and Casa are main hubs because of the location and lack of true historical sites. They are not "tourist" cities, they both have seaport-connections and they are strategically located.

It's just about my bad French. But i know that there is a hot discussion about the need and the big amount of money that has to spent on the HSR. It seems that Morocco wants to push Tanger to the second economic metropolis after Casa. Oki, Tanger is already the second largest economic spot, but i guess the king wants more. What i wonder is, that there is comparably so little investment in the cities of Meknes and Fes. Their region is even more populous than Tanjah - Titwan. For me there is a huge difference in the prosperity of Fes compared to Tanjah also Fes is - until now - bigger and histrical much more improtant for Morocco. There are a lot of leading people coming from Fes but now settled down in Rabat/Casa and they are doing not really much for their hometown. It seems they want to concentrate growth around the coastline.

Volubilis and Moulay Driss are much more ancient than Fes!! Do that mean that we should invest in these two cities and repopulate Volubilis! Why not Sijilmassa by the way :nuts: Fes and Meknes have already alot of investments and are not being forgeted just like every other region of the kingdom.

No Sir. The investments in Tanger-Tetouan are following a strategic logic. This region is located in such a great spot and has a huge economical potential. Between the mediterranean sea and the atlantic ocean; on an important strait and 14 km away from Europe!!!!

That's why the northern gate of Morocco is having the attention of his majesty, the gov and many economic actors.

Fes and Meknes have already alot of investments and are not being forgeted just like every other region of the kingdom.


Depends on the scale you use. For me Morocco is not very much balanced. There is a lot of movement around Tanger and at the axis Rabat - Casa. Marakkech and Agadir lives on tourism. Compared to these quite dynamic cities Fes is backward. But oki, i am just traveling Fes 4 times a year and not constantly living there.

There was a nice model at Saiss showing a new terminal and the extension of Fes airport to somewhat 10 million PAX. Last time i traveled this model was not there any more. Building a quite big airport at Fes could be some nice strategic plan to bring more growth to the central and east of Morocco.

Regarding the thread i drew an Airport RER in Fes:
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Depends on the scale you use. For me Morocco is not very much balanced. There is a lot of movement around Tanger and at the axis Rabat - Casa. Marakkech and Agadir lives on tourism. Compared to these quite dynamic cities Fes is backward. But oki, i am just traveling Fes 4 times a year and not constantly living there.

There was a nice model at Saiss showing a new terminal and the extension of Fes airport to somewhat 10 million PAX. Last time i traveled this model was not there any more. Building a quite big airport at Fes could be some nice strategic plan to bring more growth to the central and east of Morocco.

Regarding the thread i drew an Airport RER in Fes:
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The new airport, has been approuved today, will take the capacity from 500 000 passager to 3 000 000... read the title! it's for railways!!!! can someone please delete the last 3 paes of non sens?

read the title! it's for railways!!!! can someone please delete the last 3 paes of non sens?


Regarding the thread i drew an Airport RER in Fes:
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The new airport, has been approuved today, will take the capacity from 500 000 passager to 3 000 000... read the title! it's for railways!!!! can someone please delete the last 3 paes of non sens?

Dude, chill down he was making a valid statement about trains this time. And just because you don't want to hear negativity with trains or the train network in your country doesn't mean you have to attack him personally... This a forum where we discuss matters in a civilized manner that are related to the threads. If you don't like that people have a different opinion than you i suggest you join a different forum. Here we more or less have freedom of speech. So STOP the bashing and stay on topic!

BTW, im really impressed with the hsr plans! :cheers:

I added more lines on my Fes map. I would call it City Rail Fes.

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Dude, chill down he was making a valid statement about trains this time. And just because you don't want to hear negativity with trains or the train network in your country doesn't mean you have to attack him personally... This a forum where we discuss matters in a civilized manner that are related to the threads. If you don't like that people have a different opinion than you i suggest you join a different forum. Here we more or less have freedom of speech. So STOP the bashing and stay on topic!

BTW, im really impressed with the hsr plans! :cheers:

It's not about negative comments(actually a little bit, nothing seems to bee good for this guy, i think that knowing that morocco has no ressource, basically building everithing from skratch, and not just for railways, we're doing a very good job!), it's about knowing the country you're talking about, the answer to the next post will give you an example...

thanx for the support actually the railway plane gets even better! beside the 200km LGV, with a 2 billion$ investmen(really cheep, usually it costs the double, and the price includes renovation fo 5 stations for the tgv, 18 tgv, the really advanced davinci controle system for the controle centre, and the maintenance center! the TGV will also run on something between 500 and 750km of regular tracks), work will start next month, and to be completed by 2015, in the same time they are planning a 1,3 billion$ of investment in regular train system, including doubling a big part of casa marrakech line, the suppression of 50% of the level crossing in the country, refurbishing of all the old wagons... it's pretty impressive, we use to have a shitty railway network.
and the HSR network is supposed to be 1500km long by 2030, will cost of 9BnEuros, 50% of this amount is financed by the france...:cheers:


I added more lines on my Fes map. I would call it City Rail Fes.

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This is exactly an example of you poor knowlege of the country! your talking about a 50km railway network in the city with 20km undergroud:nuts:
do you know that casablanca witch is basically at least 4 times bigger than fes and holds 40% of our economy, has been plannig a 10 km underground for decades and still can't get it done cos it's too expensive?! you may think that all arab coutries are super rich but dude, we have no oil, no ressources, so basically we borrow money to get the stuff done, and project like this dosen't have any return on investment, basically we have to finance it by our self, and the thing is: there is no money left! project are been put on hold(nador west med, witch is supposed to be our secound main port and even bigger than tanger med...), do you think that the government dosen't want to make a metro in every city? you think that your clever, and we never thought of douing stuff like this? dude it's morocco not dubai!

This is exactly an example of you poor knowlege of the country! your talking about a 50km railway network in the city with 20km undergroud:nuts:
do you know that casablanca witch is basically at least 4 times bigger than fes and holds 40% of our economy, has been plannig a 10 km underground for decades and still can't get it done cos it's too expensive?!

Dude, my map is just a vision. I expect for Fes urban area at least 2 million people for 2050. At this time the city should be preprepared to manage the traffic. So i think it is quite realistic that Fes may have some urban light rail with some 20 km of tunnel sections.



government dosen't want to make a metro in every city? you think that your clever, and we never thought of douing stuff like this? dude it's morocco not dubai!

I strongly believe the economic growth morocco had the last decade will go on. Of course it will be no leading country in 2050, but i think it will be quite comparable to what Turkey is right now in 2010. And look how many cities in Turkey have rail based public transport.

The works on the High Speed Line has already started. ;)

;62627659']The works on the High Speed Line has already started. ;)

RU sure?

Yes i'am. :D

Tu devrai voir les appels d'offres que Optimus avait publier... Enfin bon, je te pardonne ! Ce n'est pas évident de se repérer dans un tel Thread ! :nuts:

Z2M Double-Decker Electric Multiple Units (TNR Duplex)

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Moroccan Old Art

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Bab Agnou (Arabe باب اكناو) est l'une des dix neuf Bab (portes) de Marrakech, Maroc. Elle a été construite au 12ème siècle , au temps de la dynastie des Almohade .
La Nouvelle gare de Marrakech a été inspiré par cette porte.

Bab Agnou (Arabic باب اكناو) is one of the 19th Bab (gate) of Marrakesh, Morocco. It have been built in the 12th century in the time of the Almohad dinasty.
The New Railway Station of Marrakesh is inspired by this door.


Moroccan New Art

Marrakech railway station, always wonderful :cheers:

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Marrakech railway station, thanks to Ωρτimuş

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Prima II Locomotive - Corail Coaches

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Marrakech Train Station

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Alstom Prima II Locomotive, (ONCF) Moroccan Railways
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This powerful locomotive can reach a top speed of 200 km/h in passenger mode, and a traction power of 6 400 kW in freight mode

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Ansaldo Breda Z2M - Double-Deck Electric Multiple Units, (ONCF) Moroccan Railways
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This double-deck commuter train has a top speed of 180 km/h and a capacity of 398 Seats, it can be merged in 2 or 3 units with a max capacity of 1194 seats

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Prima II Locomotive

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Thanks Optimus, fantastic shots :)

You'r welcome, thanks D K

Marrakech Railstation

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Marrakech Railstation

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Marrakech Railway station

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nice pics :applause:

Ωρτimuş.
regarding your message whit the picture Marrakech Train Station, is my own.
when yo use one image you must put the origin or/and the propierty, please, consider change this.
In this image, the original is in my flick galery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hernancad_nyanda/4451103452/in/set-72157623657699714/
thanks

Ωρτimuş.
regarding your message whit the picture Marrakech Train Station, is my own.
when yo use one image you must put the origin or/and the propierty, please, consider change this.
In this image, the original is in my flick galery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hernancad_nyanda/4451103452/in/set-72157623657699714/
thanks

You are right, i just added the origin
Nice shot by the way

HM the King chairs signing ceremony of six agreements on Tangier-Casablanca HST project

Tangier - HM King Mohammed VI presided, on Friday in Tangier, over the signing ceremony of six agreements on the High Speed Train (HST) project linking Tangier to Casablanca and enquired about the progress of this project worth 20 billion dirhams ($2.3 bln).

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- The 20 billion dirham-project is part of the policy of large-scale projects undertaken by Morocco and making citizens a central issue of the development strategy.

- The Kingdom supports the development of a system favoring multiple modes of transportation and the protection of the environment.

- The Tangier-Casablanca high speed rail will be operational late 2015.

This project is part of the policy of large-scale projects undertaken by Morocco and seeking to make citizens a central issue of the sustainable development strategy.

During this ceremony Transport and Equipment Minister, Karim Ghellab, presented before the Sovereign the six agreements signed on this occasion.

Five out of the six agreements concern additional funding for the project, the official underscored, saying that these agreements enable securing new financial resources through concessional loans with advantageous interest rates ranging between 1.2 and 3.16%, and much longer grace period of up to twenty years.

They are, Ghellab went on to say, two agreements on the French Emerging Country Reserve (RPE) for an amount of 625 million euros, a memorandum of understanding on the loan of the Saudi Fund for Development worth 200 million dollars, a loan agreement with Abu Dhabi Fund for Development for 100 million dollars, as well as a related guarantee agreement.

The sixth agreement is on a purchase contract under which the Moroccan railway office (ONCF) will acquire 14 high speed trains from the French company Alstom, he added.

The Tangier-Casablanca high speed rail will be operational late 2015 on receipt of the trains and the completion of the testing phase, in conformity with world’s known security standards, the Minister noted.

Morocco is making a qualitative leap through the development of its transportation system based on mass transport, multiple modes of transportation and the protection of the environment, he stressed.

The ceremony was marked by the screening of a film on the Tangier-Casablanca High Speed Train project.

Over 6 million travelers are expected to board the train as of the first year when it will be put into service.

To carry out this leading project, financial resources were mobilized namely the State’s budget (4.8 billion dirhams) and that of Hassan II Fund for Economic and Social Development (1 billion dirhams), under the program contract related to the ONCF for 2010-2015 and the agreement with Hassan II Fund, both inked under HM the King’s presidency on February 1st.

Foreign financing is made up of France’s donation of 75 million euros and the 140 million dollars-loan granted by the Kuwait fund for Arab Economic Development.

Morocco has also been approved two loans by the French Development Agency (220 million euros) and the Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development (100 million dollars).
http://www.map.ma/eng/sections/main2/hm_the_king_chairs_s3657/view



ONCF et Alstom signent un accord pour la fourniture au Maroc de 14 trains à très grande vitesse



Sous la Présidence effective de Sa Majesté le Roi du Maroc, Mohammed VI, un contrat de près de 400 millions d'euros, concernant la fourniture de 14 rames de train à très grande vitesse à deux niveaux (Duplex), a été signé à Tanger le vendredi 10 décembre 2010, du côté marocain par Messieurs Karim Ghellab, Ministre de l'équipement et des transports et Mohamed Rabie Khlie, Directeur général de l'Office National des Chemins de Fer marocain (ONCF) et du côté français, par Messieurs Patrick Kron, Président directeur général d'Alstom et Philippe Mellier, Président d'Alstom (Paris:ALO) Transport. Ces trains Duplex circuleront sur l'axe Tanger-Casablanca qui desservira le nord du Royaume. La mise en service commercial est prévue en décembre 2015.

Ce contrat témoigne des relations de coopération étroites établies entre l'ONCF et Alstom Transport depuis plus de 40 ans. Alstom contribue ainsi à la réalisation des objectifs de l'ONCF pour répondre à l'augmentation du trafic générée par l'ouverture du port de Tanger Med, pour renforcer une offre ferroviaire de qualité, pour améliorer les capacités de la ligne existante en fluidifiant le trafic et pour participer au développement structurel et durable des régions traversées.

Les rames Duplex Maroc sont des trains à 2 niveaux conçues pour l'ONCF et adaptées aux conditions d'exploitation définies par l'opérateur sur l'axe Tanger-Casablanca. Les trains seront exploités à 320 km/h sous 25 kV entre Tanger et Kenitra, première section de 200 km du réseau marocain à très grande vitesse. Entre Kenitra et Casablanca, les rames rejoindront le réseau conventionnel où elles circuleront à 160 km/h ou à 220 km/h sous 3 kV, selon la vitesse d'exploitation prévue par le client marocain en 2015. La liaison à très grande vitesse entre Tanger et Casablanca permettra de réduire les temps de parcours de 4h45 aujourd'hui à 2h10 après la mise en service de ligne et de transporter jusqu'à 10 millions de voyageurs. Avec une capacité de 533 voyageurs, chaque rame comprendra 8 voitures dont deux voitures de première classe, une voiture restauration et cinq voitures de seconde classe. Le design intérieur et extérieur, spécialement conçu pour répondre aux attentes des voyageurs marocains, traduira la modernité et la qualité, le confort et la sérénité. Une attention particulière est accordée à l'accessibilité et la sécurité du voyage offert par l'ONCF.

Les rames Duplex destinées au Royaume du Maroc sont issues de la nouvelle génération de trains fabriqués actuellement par Alstom pour la SNCF. A ce titre, elles bénéficieront des dernières évolutions en terme de confort et d'accessibilité. Plus de 10% de la capacité totale des trains sera réservé aux personnes à mobilité réduite. Les voitures seront équipées d'un système d'information des voyageurs, bilingue arabe-français, incluant des écrans vidéo. Les rames équipées de composants parfaitement éprouvés bénéficieront du retour d'expérience accumulé depuis la mise en service du premier Duplex en 1996, notamment en termes de fiabilité et de sécurité d'exploitation, de facilité de maintenance et d'évolution du produit.

Les 14 rames seront conçues et fabriquées principalement en France dans les sites d'Alstom Transport. Elles seront livrées en éléments séparés (motrices et voitures) à l'atelier ONCF de Moghogha situé au Nord de Tanger, où seront réalisées les opérations de miseen rame. Les tests techniques préalables à la mise en service commercial s'effectueront à la fois sur le site de Moghogha et sur le réseau ONCF.

Le Maroc est le premier pays du continent africain à se doter de ce type d'infrastructure de transport ferroviaire d'un très haut niveau technologique, conforme aux standards mondiaux de la très grande vitesse. L'ONCF intègre ainsi le club des opérateurs qui offrent quotidiennement dans le monde un service ferroviaire à très grande vitesse

À propos d'Alstom et de Très Grande Vitesse

Alstom dispose aujourd'hui d'un retour d'expérience de près de 30 ans dans la très grande vitesse. Alstom a fabriqué plus de la moitié des trains exploités actuellement à plus de 300 km/h dans le monde. L'activité très grande vitesse de l'entreprise est en constante progression grâce à une expérience et une avance technologique inégalées. Depuis le lancement du 1er TGV1 en 1981, 670 trains à très grande vitesse d'Alstom ont été vendus dans le monde. Ils ont parcouru plus de 2,5 milliards de kilomètres (6 500 fois la distance terre-lune), transporté 1,5 milliard de passagers (25% de la population mondiale), sont passés d'une vitesse commerciale de 260 km/h à 320 km/h, et ont successivement battu 3 records du monde de vitesse sur rail : 380 km/h en 1981, 515,3 km/h en 1990 et 574,8 km/h en 2007. Aujourd'hui, Alstom est le seul constructeur ferroviaire à disposer d'une gamme comprenant trois plates-formes de train à très grande vitesse: Duplex (plate-forme à 2 niveaux) exploité quotidiennement en France à 320 km/h, Speedelia et l'AGV (plates-formes à 1 niveau). L'AGV a été choisi par le premier opérateur privé italien NTV.

A propos d'Alstom Transport au Maroc

Alstom Maroc participe au développement des infrastructures marocaines avec sestrois Secteurs - Transport, Power et Grid - dans une relation de partenariat à long terme basé sur la technologie et le développement durable. Le secteur Transport contribue depuis plus de 40 ans à faire du réseau ferré marocain une infrastructure de transport d'avenir pour le fret et les passagers, et un outil de développement pour le pays. Depuis 1992, 27 locomotives électriques ont déjà été livrées à l'ONCF ainsi que, depuis 2009, 20 locomotives Prima II. Alstom a aussi participé à l'amélioration du réseau ferré marocain en réalisant le doublement des voies de la ligne Fès-Meknes en service depuis juin 2007 et en modernisant la signalisation de 900 km de lignes et de 67 gares, dont celle de Casablanca. Alstom a par ailleurs été choisi pour fournir les 44 rames du tramway Citadis de Rabat-Salé et les 74 rames du tramway Citadis de Casablanca. La présence d'Alstom pour fournir au Maroc des solutions innovantes et respectueuses de l'environnement s'illustre également avec les contrats d'installation des systèmes de signalisation ferroviaire et d'alimentation électrique de la ligne de tramway de Casablanca.

Dans une logique de mobilité durable, Alstom Transport développe et propose la gamme de systèmes, d'équipements et de services la plus complète du marché ferroviaire. Alstom Transport est capable de gérer l'ensemble d'un système de transport, comprenant le matériel roulant, la signalisation, les infrastructures, la maintenance et d'offrir des solutions « clés en main ». Au cours de l'exercice 2009-2010, Alstom Transport a enregistré un chiffre d'affaires de 5,8 milliards d'euros. Alstom Transport est présent dans plus de 60 pays, emploie 26 000 salariés.

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TGV Duplex

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Tanger - Kenitra 320 km/h HSL
Kenitra - Casablanca 220 km/h upgradded line

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Video at 270 km/h in France

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Original french disposition :

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Moroccan modification : the 3rd 1st class coach transformed on 2nd class

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ONCF and Alstom Sign a Contract for the Supply of 14 Very-High Speed Trains to Morocco


(10/12/10 15:35 CET)


Under the presidency of his Majesty the King of Morocco Mohammed VI, a contract worth nearly [B] €400 million for the supply of 14 double-deck (Duplex) very high-speed trainsets has been signed in Tangiers on Friday, December 10, 2010 – on the Moroccan side by the Messrs. Karim Ghellab, Morocco's Minister for roads and transport, Mohamed Rabie Khlie, managing director of ONCF, Morocco's national railway company, and on the French side by the Messrs. Patrick Kron, Chairman & CEO of Alstom and Philippe Mellier, President of Alstom (Paris:ALO) Transport. The Duplex trains are scheduled to enter commercial service in December 2015 and will run on the Tangiers-Casablanca route in the northern part of the country[/B.

This agreement is the result of the cooperative relationship that Alstom Transport has established with Morocco's ONCF for more than 40 years. Alstom is consequently helping the ONCF meet its objectives of providing a solution for the increase in traffic which the opening of the new Tangiers Med port will generate, further developing a high-quality rail network, freeing up capacity on the existing line to facilitate traffic flow and helping to structurally and sustainably develop the regions through which the line passes.

The Morocco Duplex trainsets will be double-deck trains designed for the ONCF and adapted for use in the operating conditions specified by the Moroccan operator along the Tangiers-Casablanca route. The trains will run at 320 km/h and at 25 kV between Tangiers and Kenitra - the first 200 km section of Morocco’s very high-speed network. Between Kenitra and Casablanca, the trainsets will run on the traditional network at speeds of 160 km/h or 220 km/h at 3 kV, depending on the running speeds set by the Moroccan operator in 2015. The very high-speed connection between Tangiers and Casablanca will reduce journey times from 4:45 hours today to 2:10 hours at the opening of the line and will carry up to 10 million passengers per year (currently 4 million).

With capacity for up to 533 passengers, each trainset will be made up of eight cars - two first-class cars, one buffet car and five second-class cars. The trains' interior and exterior design will convey the modern, comfortable and high-quality service that the ONCF provides its passengers, together with the peace of mind. Particular attention is given to accessibility and safety, which the operator offers.

The Duplex trainsets that will be used in Morocco result from the new generation of very high-speed double-deck trains which Alstom currently produces for the French operator, SNCF. As such, they integrate all the latest developments in terms of comfort and accessibility. More than 10% of the trains’ overall capacity will be reserved for people with reduced mobility. The cars will be fitted with a bilingual French-Arabic passenger information system, including video screens. The trainsets, which are being fitted with exhaustively tried and tested standard components, will draw on all the feedback that has been received since the first Duplex came into service in 1996, particularly with regard to their reliability and operational safety, as well as how easily they can be maintained and upgraded.

The 14 trainsets will mainly be developed and built in France at Alstom Transport’s La Rochelle workshops (pilot site) and its sites in Belfort (power cars), Le Creusot (bogies), Ornans (engines) and Tarbes (traction drive), as well as Villeurbanne (electronic control system), Charleroi in Belgium, Sesto in Italy and Montreal in Canada (on-board IT and passenger information). The trainsets’ power cars and passenger cars will be delivered separately to the ONCF’s Moghogha factory just north of Tangiers, where train-set assembly operations will be carried out. Technical tests will be carried out at the Moghogha site as well as on the ONCF network before the trains come into service.

Morocco is the first country in the African continent to acquire this type of highly sophisticated railway transport infrastructure, in compliance with international standards for very high-speed rail travel. The ONCF will thus be joining the list of operators throughout the world which offer very high-speed rail services on a daily basis.

About Alstom and Very High Speed

Alstom now has nearly 30 years’ experience in very high speed rail travel. 50% of the trains now running at over 300 km/h throughout the world were manufactured by Alstom. The company’s very high speed activity is growing continually as a result of its unrivalled experience and advanced technology. Since the launch of the 1st TGV* in 1981, 670 very high speed trains have been sold worldwide. Between them they have covered over 2.5 billion kilometres (6,500 times the distance from the Earth to the moon), carried 1.5 billion passengers (25% of the world’s population), increased commercial speeds from 260 kph to 320 km/h, and have three world rail speed records to their credit: 380 km/h (1981), 515.3 km/h (1990) and 574.8 km/h (2007). Alstom is currently the only railway manufacturer with three very high-speed train platforms: the TGV Duplex (a 2-level platform), which operates daily in France at speeds of up to 320 km/h, Speedelia and the AGV** ( single level platforms). AGV was selected by NTV, Italy’s main private operator.
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TGV Duplex 2N2 in France

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Sorry this in french.

Presentation clip at 02:10 min

From Tangier to Casablanca, accros Kenitra and Rabat.

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The track gauges at 1435 mm match, but are the axle loads, loading gauges, electrification and signalling compatible between Morocco and AVE such as to allow through running when Gibraltar tunnel is completed?

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Great news!

Seeing as it is a new line, though, and won't be finished until 2015, wouldn't it be more prudent to purchase newer technology trains? Most networks now are purchasing EMUs as opposed to push-pull trains such as the TGV. Even Alstom is pushing forward with the Pegasus. Furthermore, will the capacity on that new line warrant double decker sets?

That being said, I have been on Duplexes before and they were very comfortable, fast and reliable, so no problems there I'd say. They're very aesthetically-pleasing too to say the least :)

The track gauges at 1435 mm match, but are the axle loads, loading gauges, electrification and signalling compatible between Morocco and AVE such as to allow through running when Gibraltar tunnel is completed?

Everything is made for 100% interoperability. Same specs than Europe.

ERTMS system, and french systems like interoperability between France and Spain accros Perpignan and Figueras. For Paris-Barcelone, those be the same TGV Duplex 2N2 :

Morocco has also bought the spanish Da Vinci system from Adif :

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In the same way, Morocco ha bought 24 Alstom Prima 2 for their interoperability (adapted to ERTMS and Atlas System) :

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