I've realized how much chaos it is in info about Filipstad, so I've decided to start a thread, so we can gather it all.


Filipstad

Filipstad's place in the Fjordcity:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstadifjordbyen.jpg


Today the location harbours a harbour (!), and terminal for the Germany ferries. This is how it looks currently:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstadidag.jpg


As part of the Fjordcity plans, Filipstad will be (partly) transformed into an extension of the inner city. It will still be the hub for the Germany ferries, though, and most likely also some other cruise traffic. Eitherway, it is decided that Filipstad will include:

•between 2 250 - 3 000 appartments
•about 9 000 workplaces
•totaly 100 ha public space, of which a central park on 50 ha and a harbour promenade along the shoreline
•max volume 450 000 sqm new constructions (exploitation ~140%).


Proposal made by CIVITAS, LPO and Spacegroup for Oslo Havn, HAV eiendom and ROM eiendom, for a general masterplan:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad2-1.jpg


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad1.jpg



Map/overview over the area:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad3.jpg

Filipstad is about to move into a more critical fase. A report on future terminals for cruise ships in Oslo, is out on hearing untill January 31st (link: http://www.prosjekt-fjordbyen.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20%28PBE%29/Internett%20%28PBE%29/Dokumenter/dokument/planer/cruiseutredning.pdf). This will decide for a long time which areas will be bounded for cruise ships and ferries, and make it much easier to start planning the rest of Filipstad.

Most likely (to me) how a future terminal for cruise ships and ferries at Hjortnes, located on the western part of the pier. It includes a huge extension of the pier
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Hjortnes.jpg


The planning agency in Oslo initiated the planning process for the whole Filipstad area summer '09. Now they've stated they'll be ready with an area program for public hearing some time first half of 2011 (YIMBY chance!).
PBE has also made a fairly new (this October) preliminary regulation plan for the area, which can be seen here: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=2871882 (HUGE jpeg!) Take this with a caution pill though, as we're so early on in the process.

When they'll start the actual building, is a bit in the blue yet, I guess. Since the plan qualifies for a "KU" and all that, the process from initiative to approval will be especially long. Probably 2014-15 at best for sales start. Then maybe the whole thing will be ready in 2020!

Nice! Filipstad will be a great addition to the Fjordcity.

Just thought I'd post the Stiftelsen for byens fornyelse-proposal for reference. They want to replicate Kvadraturen it seems, they even added the brutalist boxes that don't fit in line with the neighbouring buildings (closest to Aker Brygge/Tjuvholmen)!
http://www.byen.org/filipstad/ill/Filipstad_600px.jpg
Full size (http://www.byen.org/filipstad/ill/Filipstad_A4rgb300.jpg)

I share their appreciation of the street-structure with buildings lining the sidewalks, but I don't think this proposal would bring the result they hope for. Grønlandshagen comes to mind: well functioning urbanity-wise, but not very aesthetic. I realize that the urban functioning is very much a result of the activities taking place in the area of course. I also don't think it makes any sense"rebuilding" in a traditional fashion in a location where there has never been anything like it.

I like the way Huitfeldts gate is continued in the developer's proposal though, makes it connect very well with the existing borough

If Stiftelsen for byens fornyelse want to rebuild something, they should focus on gamlebyen and some lost quarters inside the city imho. As far as I know Filipstad have never had any extensive city developments and I think the project should reflect that. I only hope they decide to keep it more in vogue with Tjuvholmen than Sørenga.

I agree very much with you here, If Stiftelsen sought to rebuild the numerous lost facades in Kvadraturen, Grensen and Linstow's by, where this is appropriate, then I would be all for them. Instead, they waste their time opposing anything that is tall and whine against pretty much everything that gets built including Tjuvholmen.

As I have understood, Stiftelsen is not against modern architecture per say although I have yet to see an example of modern architecture that they liked. Their proposal, though it is pre-modern in plan, does not need to have pre-modern facades, although the drawing they have presented hints that this is their preference. If the the proposal is for modern facades and a kvartal structure, then this is interestingly quite similar to what Yimby would argue for, or am I wrong?

^^

Yep, pretty much. Yimby is a bit more open to new impulses than Byen Fornyelse though. Pre-modern street grids are a good style to use because we know its works for creating nice urban areas. However that doesn't mean there aren't new solutions that have been built recently/don't exist yet that might be just as good.

They did a top 10 list of modern buildings in Oslo a while ago, i remember atleast there was the Torp harbour-warehouse, eastern building of Glassmagasinet, building at Christiania Torg and Flytogterminalen.

Colour-line has been working towards building a high-rise hotel at the ferry-terminal, naturally they wouldn't develop this themselves - i think this is where Burchardt comes in. Altough i would prefere his wild 200m vision rather than the stumpy highrise we see in the sketch above. The terminal could be developped now but it will maybe have to wait for the eternal waste of time by PBE as no one will pay for removing E18 and the railyard. Will this områderegulering be legal this time or will it just be a bs-document like the one for Oslo S? As for the cruise-ships i would love to see the oceanic park-thing resurface along Filipstad and build a new pier for cruiseships from Hjortnes.

I'm pretty sure the canal was discarded many years ago. I wish they had kept it though. Oslo needs more canals...

They did a top 10 list of modern buildings in Oslo a while ago, i remember atleast there was the Torp harbour-warehouse, eastern building of Glassmagasinet, building at Christiania Torg and Flytogterminalen.
You are talking about Stiftelsen for byens fornyelse, right? They also did a similiar list of all the new buildings they hated where they said hole in the PWC-building lacked "motivation". What a daft thing to say. We would only ended up with square boxes if every form of every building should have "motivation" behind them.

Stiftelsen, like riksantivkvaren, allways choose the wrong battles. I would have repsected them more if they had worked to preserve old buildings and tried to rebuild some of the buildings and spires we'd lost. But Stiftelsen only tries hide everything modern and exciting.

Thanks for all clear ups, André! I know I've included more stuff than I should.
I would think that Rom eiendom would be eager to pay for roof on the tracks, if they know it will pay off at a later time, but I'm more uncertain on who's gonna pay for the new terminal. Oslo Havn isn't excactly known to pay up for anything at all, really.

I know the canal is out of the question. It isn't even in PBe's own plans anymore.

I do have hopes that the document will lead to a regulation plan, though. Rom lists this project high up among their projects, and the interests are strong to get this area devloped.

building at Christiania Torg

That's the one where there is some travel agency for America trips, right? It's absolutly terrible! The worst building in Kvadraturen, along with Norges bank!:bash:

Their proposal, though it is pre-modern in plan, does not need to have pre-modern facades, although the drawing they have presented hints that this is their preference. If the the proposal is for modern facades and a kvartal structure, then this is interestingly quite similar to what Yimby would argue for, or am I wrong?
I'm quite conservative when it comes to how you should lay out a city. I have nothing against exiting and new designs, but I think they should be kept inside a conservative master plan. I would have been very positive to it if they had remodeled their suggestion with modern, high quality buildings in in different heights. But I don't think they will ...


That's the one where there is some travel agency for America trips, right? It's absolutly terrible! The worst building in Kvadraturen
It's drawn by Torstein Ramberg (the same guy who also did the government building R5 alongside Akersgata) and I think he even won a prize for it. It's not exciting by any means, but I have hard time seeing how you can hate it - It's just is there without making any further statment about itself.

The building in question:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Akersgata_2_Oslo.jpg/1024px-Akersgata_2_Oslo.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Akersgata_2_Oslo.jpg

Space Group (http://www.spacegroup.no/) won the 2005-2006 masterplan competition for Filipstad.

A Site on the Edge, Connected to the World
By definition, the post-industrial site is isolated from the urban fabric, scale and natural flow of the adjacent city. At the same time it offers
ideal connections to all types of infrastructure - and to the larger context, the world. It is this condition that provides the biggest challenge
and offers the greatest opportunity.

The implementation of a new, dynamic, urban structure and program requires a careful suture back into its surrounding context. We propose
a conceptual restitching of the waterfront deep into the existing public life and nodes of the city through the creation of an urban neighborhood
with its own strong identity and character.

Diverse programming, careful phasing, and strategic priorities sensitive to uncertainties and change; fixed and variable conditions; complementary
rather than competitive in its contribution to the city.

This dual condition of isolation and hyper-connectivity offers a new freedom in its relationship to the city. Found within the history of Filipstad,
is a uniqueness of structure, scale, typology, morphology, program, and relationship to the natural/ artificial landscape combined with a super
rational logic of land use, infrastructure, and internal organization.
The apparent invisibility of the site has allowed this uniqueness to exist and evolve with its own raw beauty and strong character, thus avoiding
the stylistic judgment controlling the rest of the city.

There is no original 'urban fabric' or even original 'site'. The activities, program, and conditions found at Filipstad are truly exceptional. The
territoralization of Filipstad depends upon visionary solutions to the infrastructural obstacles that compose the site. Filipstadís inherited freedoms
offer a rare opportunity to reinterpret and create a new, strong, fresh identity.

"Urbanism is all too often content in adapting to existing milieu rather than generating change..." Michael Speaks

New urban frontier:
The new Filipstad will become the frontier of the city; the only real experience of surface arrival into the centre of Oslo; leaving suburbia behind. To
achieve the status as an independent neighborhood and sub centre of Oslo, a strong distinction from suburban sleepiness must be a consistent
focus. New housing developments in central Oslo have the increasing tendency of contributing to the suburbanization and privatization of the
city. Named '-park' or '-garden', these areas are defined by characteristics most often found in gated communities such as; mono programming,
control, the perception of security, and predictability - none of which resemble qualities of the urban. The exclusive character of this market is mainly
available to the white upper middle class at the age of retirement, returning from suburbia and bringing their suburban values with them. Proximity to
coffee bars and cultural institutions are not enough to create a dynamic urban condition. A 'total design' leaving nothing untouched, unknown, or open
for interpretation - is also a static solution. The city needs diversity and space to evolve.

Equally alarming is the evacuation of big and unique programs from the inner city; expos, universities, stadiums, sports facilities, terminals and even
headquarters are, by current market conditions and a preference for easy car access, being driven out of the city.

At Filipstad, we have an opportunity to bring diversity back.

Filipstad provides the location, critical mass, momentum and opportunity to make a change. Demographic diversity, programmatic density, multicultural
openness, and space for future interpretation and new uses will be secured. A focus on public territory, accessibility, inclusive free facilities, and
typological diversity for live and work is the core of our strategy.

24 hour activity is supported by mixed programming, integration of school, kindergarten, market, super gym, hotel, park, beach, skating rink and other
leisure activities. A place where tourists, kids, businessmen, kiters, ferryboat travelers, the rich, beach bums, middle class families, senior citizens,
immigrants and students will have a reason and desire to be.

Stategies:
1. PARK PROBE:
S park - from Solli plass to beach - surfing infrastructure.
A physical manifestation of friction and flows. A speculative public space where uses are mutable and open - a place for meetings and exchange. The
park, in its various reactive formulations, provides short cuts, area orientation, and maximum interface with new urban structure while organizing Filipstad
into a series of sub sites that are characterized by solar, topographical, typological, geographical, and programmatic conditions. By organizing the site
into sub sites, the park defines specific areas and becomes the connective tissue that unites the global and local scales.

2. COMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE TERMINAL:
The terminal reorganizes the current infrastructural sprawl. The new terminal can be developed while the existing terminal is still in operation and is equipped
for a parallel ferryboat scheme that liberates the southwest corner of the site for the development of housing and high quality public space.

3. COMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE HIGHWAY
The stacked highway and boulevard minimizes site impact and structural efforts while 'ecologizing' infrastructure. As a result, new opportunities for parking
and housing typologies arise out of this topographical shift.

4. INVISIBILITY :
'The new Filipstad will have a strong presence in terms of form and content, yet will remain discrete in massing. The nature of this 'hidden' industrial site is
reinterpreted through the 'invisible' envelope that exploits the blind spots and view lines into, through, over, and out of site.

5. TOPOGRAPHIC IDENTITIES:
The freedom provided by the artificiality of the existing site creates an opportunity for a reinterpretation of the landscape. The Norwegian terrain exploits
unique site potentials and gives new identities and difference to the neighborhoods. We inhabit the landscape through new ways of living and integrate
infrastructure into this topography, blurring the relationship between object and field.

6. BIG PROGRAMS:
Strategically located 'Urban mediators' charge the new public territory - Ensuring the necessary critical mass and mixed use for frictions and difference
while avoiding the suburban 'silence' found in many recent developments.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2vw8huw.jpg
Illustration by MIR (http://mir.no/)

http://i51.tinypic.com/2j64i7d.jpg
Illustration by MIR (http://mir.no/)

http://i54.tinypic.com/c2esx.jpg
Illustration by MIR (http://mir.no/)

http://i55.tinypic.com/2enpxjl.jpg
Illustration by MIR (http://mir.no/)

Much interesting to read and see about the masterplan on Space Group's website (http://www.spacegroup.no/projects/filipstad/images).

And as Icecheese said, why not buy Asymptote Architecture and Artech Architects's second prize winner for the Kaohsiung Port Terminal? (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=392487&page=48)

Btw, why not rename the fjordcity threads (Tjuvholmen, Filipstad, Sørenga, Sjursøya)?
OSLO FJORDCITY | Filipstad
OSLO FJORDCITY | Tjuvholmen
OSLO FJORDCITY | Sørenga
OSLO FJORDCITY | Sjursøya

Btw, why not rename the fjordcity threads (Tjuvholmen, Filipstad, Sørenga, Sjursøya)?
OSLO FJORDCITY | Filipstad
OSLO FJORDCITY | Tjuvholmen
OSLO FJORDCITY | Sørenga
OSLO FJORDCITY | Sjursøya

Good idea! You fix?

^^ fixed!

^^ Nice job, and very organized!

What about the big fjordcity thread? Could it be renamed Oslo Fjordcity | Bjørvika? I know it has covered a larger area, but tightening the topic will not hurt anyone IMO.

^^But what about updates from all other fjordcity projects, then? I'm not sure we're ready for own threads for Kongshavn, Loenga, Vippetangen etc. yet...

According to HAV eiendom, they will be sending in an application for regulating Hans Jægers kvartal in Filipstad later this spring (don't get fooled by the name. The plan includes 6-7 quarters). It's apparent that they want to get this area approved for development outside of the Filipstad area program that is currently in the making.

Hans Jægers kvartal covers the area to the right (east) of the extended Huitfelts gate (the dark street) in this overall render, closest to Aker brygge/Tjuvholmen:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/filipstad-1.jpg

LPO won the competition for the quarters back in 2006, and this is cut out from their summary. As you see, this is the same proposal as is being used in the overall renders:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/FilipstadLPO.jpg


Total area for city development is 80-90.000 sqm, and planed heights is up to 10 floors.


The source of HAV's "leak" is this document: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=2996166

Sure, the big questions to answer is about Ring1/E18 and the railyard. Hj. kvartal shouldn't have to wait for this since it doesn't affect it directly. Sadly i don't think pbe would agree....

Seems like they are planning the same kind of density as on Tjuvholmen:okay:

I'm still hanging around the case archive of Oslo muni, and thought I should keep you posted:

Hans Jægers kvartal will get it's regulation paralell with the area program for Filipstad as a whole. A condition for this, is that there aren't any big differences in conlusions in these two seperate regulations.
Timescale for the area program has been (partly) released. They expect both plans will be out on hearing winter/spring 2012. Maybe we can see HJs kvartal rising already next fall/winter?

Link: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3043992

From Aftenposten Aften (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article524983.ece) today: Oslo Havn propose a 130 meters, 33 floors high scraper at the tip of Filipstad. Finally - that's more like it! In the print there was also positive comments from Bård Folke Fredriksen. -A conference hotel on this size is needed in Oslo, he says.

They could have chosen a slimmer model in the render though, to convince the skeptical. (Nimbys on the other hand, will never be convinced).

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00085/Hjortnes_persp1_kred_85796b.jpg

btw: nice comment espenhs

Wonderful! Now all we have to do is wait for Mr. Holme and his crew to start their protesting, listen to the arguments for the next five- to ten years and then witness a building similar to this but with only half the height get built..

Thats more like it! If you pardon my french, but it's about fucking time we see a proposal like this in Oslo! It looks great too!!!!!!! :banana:

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00085/Hjortnes_persp2_kred_85798d.jpg

Should be something slimmer than the illustration, but 130m. sounds promising

Awesome, its the way to go! :cheers:

That looks really nice indeed! :)

Just a reminder, Krystallklar started at 127m, now, four years later we might get 42m...

Just a reminder, Krystallklar started at 127m, now, four years later we might get 42m...

I don't believe that will be the end of it.. :shifty:

Talking about Krystallklar, doesn't this highrise at Filipstad remind of a reworked proposal that didn't win KLP. Same architects?

I just have to say, if this ever will be build it will come as a total suprise to me. I agree this place is perfect for highrise, but I had no hope left for anything higher than perhaps 50-60 m

130 meters and only 33 floors? That's a bit odd, isn't it?

Anyway, it looks great and we must hope it gets through.

Filipstad is the place for a new skyscraper as i've been saying all along. On other and more down to earth news, here is the proposed regulationplan for Hans Jægers:
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3068388

Just a reminder, Krystallklar started at 127m, now, four years later we might get 42m...

That's so depressive ...
:ohno:

You mean we might be stuck with the old building of <30 meters.

Great news, and what a lovely place for a skyscraper.

They should add some floors to some of the buildings at Aker Brygge so that it doesn't look out of place.

So what should we guess is going to be protected in order to stop the proposal? E18?

Maybe they really want a 80 meter building, and then propose a 130m one? If one have payed attantion to the latest hight cuts, you should always add 10 floors more than you want the result to be.

Let's just hope PBE and the politicians realize the importance of a big hotel with conference facilities in the center of Oslo, and the beauty of a slim tall signal building on such a perfect location on the tip.

They should add some floors to some of the buildings at Aker Brygge so that it doesn't look out of place.
Think Turning torso is a prime example how one sculptural can look very good alone. Especially close to sea.

http://hsmai.no/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/turning_torso.jpg

So what should we guess is going to be protected in order to stop the proposal? E18?

The view to Bygdøy must not be disturbed. (I hate Holmes future objections already :bash:)

So what should we guess is going to be protected in order to stop the proposal? E18?



Oh, that is no problem. They are already working on their "svada"! :ohno:

Bemerkning 2 Byantikvaren
- Siktlinjer og kontakt med den historiske byen og fjorden, kontakt mellom de ulike bydelene
og visuell kontakt med det overordnete landskapsrommet bør være premiss for utviklingen av
Filipstad.
- Beliggenheten i forhold til tilgrensende kulturmiljøer og i det store landskapsrommet gjør at
tiltak som omfattende utfyllinger eller betydelige byggehøyder vil få konsekvenser for
kulturminner av regional og nasjonal verdi. Dersom planen åpner for slike tiltak kan det bli
aktuelt å oversende planen til Riksantikvaren for vurdering av innsigelse

Yes, I'm sure people will stop going to see the Viking Ships because we have a 130m high building on the other side of the bay.
:nuts:

Well, at least this time they're actually protesting in time, as opposed to at the very end after everything has been agreed upon and vedtatt.

If it gets accepted I'm sure they'll whine right up until it's standing there though.

Selected illustrations from Hans Jægers:

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/fil9.png

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/fil12.png

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/fil13.png

Detailjregulering alternative:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/fil10.png

Områderegulering alternative:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/fil11.png

^^Looks really good! The alternative with smallest quarters looks best to me. Know it has nothing to do with the Hans Jægers plan, but the idea with detached small houses over the railroad area is quite silly imo.

Would it not be better to have the red marked area as a park and rather add the lost square meters in higher density in rest of the project?
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm202/joopi_bucket/fil10.png

My suggestion would probably make the highrise/the rest of the project easier to swallow for the residents living at Ruseløkka/Skillebekk too.

^^I actually like it. I knew the people at Skillebekk/Frogner would never accept taller building than their own this close, and with their lawyers they could easily drag it out a couple of decades. With this we get some density, while at the same pleasing the current residents. If we get the usual high-quality architecture as on other westside projects, it'll be an attractive area. May I suggest narrow townhouses in ~4 floors, dutch style?

It has a name "Diamanten" (sounds familiar..?), and there might be some architect competiton. (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article528950.ece)

http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00086/diamant_hans_jaeger__86275d.jpg

Statens Vegvesen debates chances for putting a lid on top of E18 between Hjortneskrysset and the Opera tunnel in this document: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3087960
Apparantly, we may have to apply to the EU to get a fitting solution!:nuts:
SV also takes time to express their hatred towards Slottsparktunnelen.

Vil ha ny skole på Filipstad (http://www.lokalavisenfrogner.no/nyheter/vil-ha-ny-skole-pa-filipstad-1.6305164)

Is this part of the masterplan?

Vil ha ny skole på Filipstad (http://www.lokalavisenfrogner.no/nyheter/vil-ha-ny-skole-pa-filipstad-1.6305164)

Is this part of the masterplan?

That's not a relevant question. The case hasn't gone far enough to answer this yet.

^^ I'm unsure about where exactly the boarders between Ruseløkka, Skillebekk and Filipstad actually goes, and I therefore wondered whether this school was planed as a part of this masterplan/development (my guess hence why I posted it) or to be built among the rest of the city.
:)

^^The article states the regulation plan for Filipstad will be put up next year.

Aren't you a wise guy. I didn't read the article properly, okay?
;)

Aren't you a wise guy.

Yes

Filipstad bygges nå (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/article4152935.ece) (nimby warning..)

Filipstad bygges nå (http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/article4152935.ece) (nimby warning..)

Some NIMBYism, yes (What's wrong about Frogner/Vika being cut off from the ocean?), but when it comes to the planning he makes a fair point. We shouldn't start building anything at all until the områdeplan and the detaljeplan is ready. Starting now before anyone even knows what sort of transport the area will have is going to result in a crappy and cluttered area.

Tunnelkrangel (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article569599.ece)
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00089/_0607tunneler_281498_89192e.jpg

Kan bli hotell (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article569819.ece)

Skanska just opened a new asphalt-plant on this site:

http://www.bygg.no/2011/08/lager-asfalt-til-oslo-by

The development has started!:banana:

Skanska just opened a new asphalt-plant on this site:

http://www.bygg.no/2011/08/lager-asfalt-til-oslo-by

The development has started!:banana:

Is this relevant to Filipstad?

It is at Filipstad, isn't?

Is this relevant to Filipstad?

It's not related to the Fjordcity-project, no. It's still at Områdeprogram-stage, and I'm pretty sure we'll have to wait to 2013 before we see any construction related to this. In the mean time, Filipstad will be used as an asphalt-plant;)

It is at Filipstad, isn't?

As I understand it, it is a temporary asphalt plant used to create asphalt to repair existing streets around Oslo. The fact that it is located at Filipstad doesn't have anything to do with the development of this area.

Sorry to crash the party, but this is how I read the article.

It's not related to the Fjordcity-project, no. It's still at Områdeprogram-stage, and I'm pretty sure we'll have to wait to 2013 before we see any construction related to this. In the mean time, Filipstad will be used as an asphalt-plant;)

To the neighbour's delight, I'm sure... :)

PBE has uploaded a new schematic render I haven't seen before. It's dated "2011", and shows basicly what we saw in the Hans Jæger's renders. Highrise is gone, lamells have become quarters, we have the lowrise jungel towards Skillebekk, and overall density seems lower. Most probably this is what PBE works with for the area-program (they are some uncreative folks...). We already know the tram-line won't go there, and Hjortneskrysset won't look like that + area-programs really aren't very detailed, so hopes for changes...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad2.jpg
Illustrasjonsplan Filipstad i forbindelse med arbeidet med områderegulering (2011)
Illustrasjon: Diiz Group for Plan- og bygningsetaten

Just add a general higher density and a few more blocks covering some of the biggest open squares, and I can live with that. I'm not the biggest fan of the fat highrise either way.

I think it looks pretty alright as a foundation.

The main avenue looks a lot more urban, previously it also had a canal running through it, though I don't see the point of the strip of green, who will use a thin park next to a trafficated road? Drug addicts? Gypsies? Also the barrier between Skillebekk and Filipstad seems kind of pointless.

Really like the part towards Tjuvholmen and the park next to the fjord. That will be a great place to be in the summer.

The election campaigns starts now! Meeting in Litteraturhuset this Thursday.

Åpent møte om Filipstadutbyggingen

Filipstad bygges nå! Derfor viktig med innspill!

Torsdag 18. august kl. 1800, i Kjelleren
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Filipstad bygges nå! Derfor viktig med innspill!

Møteleder: Anne-Lise Bergenheim, leder i Frogner Venstre.

Panel med:
Byplandirektør Ellen de Vibe, Plan- og bygningsetaten, Oslo kommune
Havnedirektør Anne Sigrid Hamran, Oslo Havn KF
Nestleder i Venstre Ola Elvestuen, leder av Byutviklingskomiteen
Arkitekt Erik Sevestre, styremedlem i Ruseløkka/Skillebekk beboerforening

Plenum
Ordet fritt!


Møtet varer til klokka 21:00.


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^^I was thinking myself here. Anyone else? With both Oslo havn and PBE represented, we could get some answers here...

Ok, third post in a row...:shifty:

So I did go to the meeting today. (surprise!) The meeting seriously dragged by the lack of representation from Statens Vegvesen, but it was nice to hear not all the local NIMBYs weren't completely nutjobs, but had some realism to what to expect (ie, not grass).

A few things I heard were new/interesting to me, so I'll tell you about them:)

1 Oslo Havn are fighting against an extra cruise ship pier at Hjortnes.
2 PBE thinks the density north of E18 (the train-area) can be increased, if the area gets a railroad station or metro.
3 Frognerkilen will most likely end up with a combined solution for E18 futuring wide environmental-bridges and a descending of the road. PBE invited the neighborhood unions to cooperate for such solutions.
4 An woman probably in here 50-60ies arguemented hard for the hotel highrise!:lol.
5 But PBE thinks the same highrise is impossible due to it's proximity to Fram museet, that allegedly will be unproportionate.
6 Oslo Havn wants a school and a kindergarten within the ferry-terminal.


And most important of all: Statens Vegvesen is what it all depends on. What kind of tunnel alternatives are acceptable? Well, first they have to initiate the process for new regulations...

Two questions:

1. Did they say anything about the architectural competition they have talked about for "diamanten"?

2. Were there any nimbys present and what did they say?

3. With one less cruise ship pier. Will the whole terminal getting smaller, giving any extra room for other stuff? Thinking in relation to the render in #65.

Two questions:

1. Did they say anything about the architectural competition they have talked about for "diamanten"?

Actually, they did. The building seemed important to them (Oslo havn). They had this picture showing this yellow three-floorer, that they seemed to be hoping for something similar. They also had a dream to fill it with "Apple's Norway office".

2. Were there any nimbys present and what did they say?

Yes, the local velforeninger was there, as said. They didn't want a new ferry terminal to block the view from the Skillebekk streets, they rather wanted to tunnel Frognerkilen even if it ment no tunnel at Filipstad, and they wanted new buildings to be housing instead of offices. Other than that they were mostly pretty reasonable, other than a few headshakes towards the 33-floorer. For me living in indre øst, they were a dream!:)

3. With one less cruise ship pier. Will the whole terminal getting smaller, giving any extra room for other stuff? Thinking in relation to the render in #65.

No, only the pier itself will get smaller. All other facilities of the terminal is planed for the Germany-ferry and related needs.

Actually, they did. The building seemed important to them (Oslo havn). They had this picture showing this yellow three-floorer, that they seemed to be hoping for something similar. They also had a dream to fill it with "Apple's Norway office".



Yes, the local velforeninger was there, as said. They didn't want a new ferry terminal to block the view from the Skillebekk streets, they rather wanted to tunnel Frognerkilen even if it ment no tunnel at Filipstad, and they wanted new buildings to be housing instead of offices. Other than that they were mostly pretty reasonable, other than a few headshakes towards the 33-floorer. For me living in indre øst, they were a dream!:)



No, only the pier itself will get smaller. All other facilities of the terminal is planed for the Germany-ferry and related needs.

Thanks for the time and effort spent - generally sounds very positive...

Plan sketch for Hans Jægers kvartal was sent in earlier this month. Plan shows 7 quarter, ranging from 6-12 floors, with the tallest point towards Munkedamsveien.

Renders are mostly what we've seen before, but here's the link to the plan document eitherway: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3308353

Map of the area:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad-HansJeger.jpg

Hearing and decission soon?:D We should see the områdeplan later this month as well.

(fun fact: I'm not the only one mixing up the områdeplan for Filipstad and detaljregulering for Hans Jæger in the planing documents:nuts:)

^^ I miss canals, but otherwise it looks like a nice enough plan. I only hope they chose to use quality architecture.

BTW: Can someone explain me the point with having masterplans competitions when it ends looking nothing like the winner either way?

Here is the winner:
http://i56.tinypic.com/2vw8huw.jpg

It wasn't really a design competition, but more of an idea-competition. All three companies made different suggestions based on some presumptions, and all had ideas that made it through as principles still in place. The winner you showed, Space Groups proposal, shows many ideas that have been kept; the green bridge over Hjortnes/the railroads, the ferry terminal, Hans Jægers kvartal, Huitfeldts gate, chaotic lowrises over NSB's railyards etc.
I think you misunderstood if you thought that masterplan wsa going to be built in it's original form.

A quick picture of the highrise planned to keep in the area regulation:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC_0122.jpg

But what use may it be in it's current state? I take it will be converted into office or residentials...

They will keep that? :ohno:

^ No one is follish enough to demolish a highrise in central Oslo... :)

They will keep that? :ohno:

You see it here, facing the future central square:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad-HansJeger-1.jpg

At least it appears like they will pull down most if not all of the lowrise shit around it ...

^ No one is follish enough to demolish a highrise in central Oslo... :)

Its just in Trondheim they do such things...

Yess, I was hoping they'd do that.

Love that building. Let's hope they keep the "Ali" logo on the side.

They will keep that? :ohno:

it could actually look alright as a stand alone tower, i think we can expect the majority of the new buildings to be very very different, so it will add a bit of, ahem, flavour and diversity.

besides, it's nice to keep the odd landmark that is familiar to people.

How ROM and Hav suggests to develop Filipstad:
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3365332

E18 without lid (phase 1):
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/filaft.png

E18 with lid and railway area:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/filbef.png

Model:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/fil3dst.png

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/fil3dost.png

I don't think that we'll see that solution for the tramway and Tinkern. What's going to happen with E18, I don't dare to speculate on.

Skole ved kaikanten (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article648897.ece)

^^I quite like the render in the article (the second one). Can't find a larger size, though... www.diizgroup.no

The two plans for regulation; plus the area-program will be on hearing later this month it seems.


For Hjortnes-terminalen, there are two alternatives out, one with a highrise in 123,5 meters, and one with 45 m as max height.
Link to final plans from developer: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3430541
With PBE's alternative: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3368902


For Hans Jægers kvartal, there also are two alternatives, where PBE's have lower density and height towards Munkedamsveien.
Link to final plans from developer: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3332130
With PBE's alternative: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3374385


For the area program, the hearing material doesn't seem to be posted yet, but it's a condition that all of these three cases are on hearing at the same time, due to the overlaps of these cases. So probably, we'll see material here as well in a short time:)

Updated the first post as well:)

Why does PBE always make alternatives to proposals, and make them more boring, less dense and just :ohno:

Posting some of renders of the hotel from interesting viewpoints in the city:

Akershus Fortress:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Hotelviewpoint1.jpg


Ekeberg:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Hotelviewpoint2.jpg


Tjuvholmen:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Hotelviewpoint3.jpg

I love the renders that were added in the first post. When can we expect to see the final approval and construction start of the first Filipstad phase?

The city council should approve the detaljregulering of Hans Jægers Kvartal during the second half of 2012, and who knows, maybe they will start construction in 2013?

As for the rest of Filipstad, I think we'll have to wait for quite a long time..

In my opinion the city council should select Oslo Havns proposal for the highrise/hotel, but select the PBE variant of HJ kvartal.

In my opinion the city council should select Oslo Havns proposal for the highrise/hotel, but select the PBE variant of HJ kvartal.

What's the advantage of PBE's variant of HJ kvartal?

One big advantage is the "Poll". Meaning continuing the canal from tjuvholmen into HJ. This will create a much more i interesting landscape. A small bridge will cross that canal. Without this HJ can get a bit boring. In oslo havns proposal there is nothing like this. Further on, the height of the buildings towards tjuvholmen will be 7 instead of 8 floors. This is a good thing, since this guarantees good sunlight for the restaurants in bryggegangen in evenings summertime. Would be to stupid to mess that up. 110000 squremeters is quite dense anyway. Continuing the same density as AB and Tjuvholmen. Only thing that I am negative about is that PBE means that there should be a kindergarten there. I think there will be many other places better suited for that in the Filipstad plan.

Deadline for making comments on the hearing documents is March 23rd: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/plankunngjoringer/2012/article220260-57373.html

Here is also the link for the whole area-program with investigations: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/getfile.php/plan-%20og%20bygningsetaten%20%28PBE%29/Internett%20%28PBE%29/Dokumenter/Filer%20utlagte%20saker/2012/Filipstad_Planbeskrivelse_skjerm_rettet.pdf

Note that for the area-program, Oslo city is the "developer" instead of the owners. The plan comes in 4 alternatives, "0"-alternative, PBE-alternative, HAV/ROM's-alternative and Statens vegvesen's alternative.

Article in Aftenposten about Filipstad.
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article682363.ece

Do we know which architect(s) that will be behind HJ kvartalet? And will more than one architect work on each block (like at Tjuvholmen)?

PBE/De Vibe about Filipstad: http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/Filipstad-finner-formen-6762241.html#.TzvdCk6RPd5

About the architects, I can only guess that HAV will sell the whole area to one developer, just as they did with Tjuvholmen. It will thereby be up to the new developer to decide architectual expressions etc.

Tjuvholmen KS has posted interest in buying Hans Jægers Kvartal. In my mind that would be a perfect match. Tjuvholmen KS (Aspelin Ramm/Selvaag)has proven genuine interest in making quality surroundings. The Tjuvholmen project is finished in 2014, basically the same time as Filipstad starts. :-)

^^ That really sounds great! :cheers::banana:

Indeed! Then we might get a uniform appearance in a bigger area, and not distinct boundaries between different developers. And of course - Tjuvholmen is a great example of utilizing the old harbors, so it can't go wrong.

Plan- og bygningsetaten arrangerer åpent møte om Filipstad og reguleringsplanene som er på høring mandag den 27. februar klokken 18:00 i bydel Frogners lokaler ved Solli plass. Representanter fra både etaten så vell som HAV vil være tilstede. En utstilling i tilknytning til planen vil være oppe hele uka. Les mer her: http://www.plan-og-bygningsetaten.oslo.kommune.no/article221549-7991.html

New renders?

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-1_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-2_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel_3_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-4_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-5_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-6_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel_5_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel-8_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/vinkel_7_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/Vinkel_1599_02_s.jpg

http://www.diiz.no/images/stills/Kart_01_s.jpg

Source: http://www.diiz.no/index.php/work/filipstad/

Looking nice. On the negative side, I think there is too much glass on the highrise. Not a big fan of that.

^^ I don't think these renders represent any designs, it's more about getting a feeling of volumes and public squares and stuff.

^^ I don't think these renders represent any designs, it's more about getting a feeling of volumes and public squares and stuff.

I hope you're right, but I have a feeling all the glass is not just randomly placed there. I like the design though, so I will wait for more detailed renderings of the facade before I make my final conclution..

Aften Aften today also features an article where they "challenge" PBE and HAV on the differences between their suggestions. Don't know if it'll be published online, but it's an easy guide to what's at stake here for political decission.

Some of those plots, especially north of the E18, are huge, i'd like to have seen a higher number of smaller buildings, not necessarily more roads though...

^^ Can't say agree. The plots don't look any bigger than the nearby ones at lower Ruseløkka for example.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Filipstad3.jpg

I think large plots are a plus if that's the case. Bigger plot size means greater flexibility in creating their lots and more opportunities to make something of the back yard. Smaller "surface area" towards the outside to fill with life relative to volumes will hopefully mean better quality buildings of the ones that does get filled.

Plus it's a great opportunity for highrises pulled back from the street. :D

Vil ha grønt og bilfritt Filipstad (http://dittoslo.no/indre-by/nyheter-indre-by/vil-ha-et-gront-og-bilfritt-filipstad-1.7169340)
http://dittoslo.no/polopoly_fs/filipstad-1.7169341!/image/3297312810.jpg_gen/derivatives/derivative_article_980/3297312810.jpg
Illustrasjon: Arne Sødal og Niels Torp
– Plan- og bygningstetaten og Oslo Havns forslag umuliggjør at motorveien noensinne blir lagt i tunnel, sier sivilarkitekt Arne Sødal. Det vil velforeninger og arkitekter gjøre noe med.

PDF: http://www.allgronn.org/filipstad-presentasjon-final.pdf

Here come the party poopers again... ;)

She might have a point though. the fjord is more precious than marka if you ask me...

«Til slutt kan vi gå tørrskodd fra Rådhuset til Bygdøy»
Byantikvaren misliker planene om å fylle ut 38 mål i sjøen for å få plass til cruisebåthavn på Filipstad. Hun vil ha et vannregnskap. (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article713171.ece)



http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00099/359444-np_jpg_99453d.jpg


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Just going to report from NIMBY-land. Reading documents and høringsuttalelser, I stumbled over this one (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3539242).

Quoting:
(..)Planen kalles blant annet fjordbyen. Planetaten og havnevesenet planlegger å hindre folks adgang og mulighet til utsyn til fjorden (min kommentar: hvorfor i alle dager sette likhetstegn mellom adgang til og utsyn til; det er jo direkte selvmotsigende, ettersom det i dag er en slags utsyn til fjorden, men ikke adgang). Byggemassen som kommer frem i planene er voldsomt store. Det er en hel stor bydel man ønsker å bygge (fint at man er ærlig om at man ikke liker bydeler og slikt). Og dette på bekostning av den befolkning som bebor området i dag. All utsikt stenges mot fjorden. Vi skal se på barrierer av betongvegger. (Hvis man misliker bygninger så mye, hvorfor bor man i en by da?).

Det er foreslått meget høye bygg og dette må være i strid med en arkitektonisk harmonisk bebyggelse mellom den nåværende og den nye bebyggelse mot sjøen. Det bør være åpning mot sjøen. Det man foreslår, stenger nåværende beboelse bak høye betonghus som ikke hører hjemme i beboelsesområde.

(..)Dette er blitt for stort og voluminøst. Hotellet på 33 etasjer må ut av planen. Det er vanskelig å forstå at et slikt forslag kan lanseres. Det er rene fallossymbolet.

(hun argumenterer for at grunneierne egentlig ikke eier området, fordi kommunen forvalter området gjennom et kommunalt eid selskap. Hun mener det er en tilsnikelse.)

(..) Det er ikke akseptabelt at vi - beboerne, Oslos befolkning, skal få byen ødelagt av folk som har som eneste mål å tjene penger (..) Arkitekter er kun interessert i å bygge hus, bygninger.


Preparing for some heavy battles. I don't envy the poor PBE-saksbehandler.

^^ der var det mange dårlige argumenter må jeg si, og vedkommende mener at hun/han snakker på vegne av Oslos befolkning? :nuts:

Artig at hun nevner "menneskerett" i brevet sitt...

Filipstad may be home to a new street or square named after Kjartan "Kjakan" Sønsteby: http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article736214.ece

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Filipstad may be home to a new street or square named after Kjartan "Kjakan" Sønsteby: http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article736214.ece

Or Gunnar "Kjakan" Sønsteby, as he was also called.

:P

Whoops. Posting while watching TV.

Here is a quick render of a Filipstad with buildings between 100 and 200 meter.
I know there is a policy in Oslo that does not allow these high buildings. I have no idea why this is so.
Personally I believe this area should be utilized to the maximum.
This is a unique opportunity to give Oslo certain flair of a Big City.

The new city block in this render is a part of downtown Vancouver, Canada.
Vancouver is about the same size as Oslo and one of the most beautiful cities in the world. They have definitely succeeded with their policy on high rise buildings.

Filipstad is 800x300 approximately, and there is enough space to build tens of thousands of most needed new apartments and condos close to Oslo center.
But this is probably only a wet dream for our Capital Town :-)

http://www.lintris.no/images/OsloWestSkyline.jpg

På norsk. Dette er en praktisk så vel som en estetisk tilnærming til Filipstad, med selvsagt helt urealistisk i Norge.
Kun FRP som har tenkt i disse baner. Selv synes jeg byer som Vancouver på ingen måte har tatt skade av en slik by utvikling. Snarere tvert imot.
Bygg titusenvis av leiligheter på sentrum nære Filipstad i steden for å ta av Nordmarka. Om fruene på Frogner ikke får et glimt av Oslofjorden er det vesentlig midre viktig enn sentrum nære bomuligheter for titusenvis av nye Osloborgere.

^^ Hihi, som du selv sier, totalt urealistisk. Dette vil selvsagt aldri bli realisert. Folk klager på at Barcode er en mur, og skygger for byen bak (i hovedsak Grønland), og du foreslår noe enda mere ekstremt foran Vika og Frogner, vestkantbydeler med mange ressurssterke mennesker.

Personlig hadde jeg ikke hatt noe imot en mellomting mellom dette, og noe som er en anelse mer realistisk, men denne visjonen i seg selv er noe vi kan se så langt etter som et isbad i helvete, he he :)

Naboene har ikke gitt opp Filipstad-kampenl (http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Naboene-har-ikke-gitt-opp-Filipstad-kampen-7102880.html)
http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article7102877.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/afp000468219.jpg?updated=260120131659
Lokalsamfunnet og organisasjonslivet kjemper for et sammenhengende grøntområde og mot økt trafikkmengde på Filipstad.

Nå presenterer de nye tegninger av «det tredje alternativet» for Oslos havneområde i vest.

- Målet er at vårt alternativ blir ett av de tre alternativene bystyremedlemmene kan velge mellom. Plan- og bygningsetaten og Havnevesenet har arbeidet med sine planforslag gjennom mange år. Vi startet i mars i fjor. Nå er det om å gjøre for oss å gjøre vår plan så kjent som mulig i politiske miljøer og blant folk flest, sier Erik Karlsen, styreleder i Ruseløkka/Skillebekk beboerforening.

Sammen med flere andre velforeninger står de bak opprettelsen av den såkalte «Plansmia», som har utarbeidet et eget alternativ for utbyggingen på Filipstad. De allerede eksisterende alternativene er lagt frem av Oslo kommunes plan- og bygningsetat (PBE) og Oslo Havn.

^^ More renders of their alternative:

http://i.imgur.com/EKtjVbV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UMo4FXU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Uohz4LS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZeHFwSJ.png

Why don't they just buy it, if they're so eager to decide how Filipstad should develop? I don't want my tax money to be wasted on some Frogner-resident's wet dream about developing downtown Oslo as Etterstad or whatever. To be honest, the residential part of that proposal looks gruesome. No air, space or greenery in several quarters. Who wants to live like that?

Why do (some) people believe that a large "sammenhengende grøntområde" directly towards the fjord is an attractive city space?

It would be a wasteland.

Edit: nvm

Hadde vært veldig interessant og vist hva Oslos befolkning faktisk mener om byutviklingen i sentrum.

Oslo, som om noen få år vil bli en millionby hvis man regner stor Oslo.
Man må regne stor Oslo fordi det bygges minimalt med boliger i sentrum. Mesteparten av veksten må komme i utkantene fordi myndighetene har lagt lokk på muligheten til å bygge i høyden.
Prognosen er en vekst for stor Oslo på inntil en halv million de neste 20-30 årene. En brøkdel av dette får muligheten til å bo i sentrum.

Hvorfor skal ikke Oslo som andre sammenlignbare byer bygge i høyden?
Hvem har bestemt at høye bygginger ikke gjør seg i Oslo?
Jo, det er en arkitekt mafia med stor innflytelse som har overbevist våre politikere om at dette er det estetiske riktig for vår hovedstad.
Bollocks mener nå jeg.

Oslo trenger minst 50 000 nye leiligheter i sentrum, og da bygger man ikke dukkehus på Filipstad.
Eller jo, det gjør man.
Dette er Norge i et nøtteskall.

Har laget en nettside som belyser problemer rundt dette med 12 etasjes regelen.
Vet ikke helt hva jeg skal bruke siden til enda. Laget den i ren frustrasjon.:bash:

http://www.oslo2035.no/

Hadde vært veldig interessant og vist hva Oslos befolkning faktisk mener om byutviklingen i sentrum.

Oslo, som om noen få år vil bli en millionby hvis man regner stor Oslo.
Man må regne stor Oslo fordi det bygges minimalt med boliger i sentrum. Mesteparten av veksten må komme i utkantene fordi myndighetene har lagt lokk på muligheten til å bygge i høyden.
Prognosen er en vekst for stor Oslo på inntil en halv million de neste 20-30 årene. En brøkdel av dette får muligheten til å bo i sentrum.

Hvorfor skal ikke Oslo som andre sammenlignbare byer bygge i høyden?
Hvem har bestemt at høye bygginger ikke gjør seg i Oslo?
Jo, det er en arkitekt mafia med stor innflytelse som har overbevist våre politikere om at dette er det estetiske riktig for vår hovedstad.
Bollocks mener nå jeg.

Oslo trenger minst 50 000 nye leiligheter i sentrum, og da bygger man ikke dukkehus på Filipstad.
Eller jo, det gjør man.
Dette er Norge i et nøtteskall.

Har laget en nettside som belyser problemer rundt dette med 12 etasjes regelen.
Vet ikke helt hva jeg skal bruke siden til enda. Laget den i ren frustrasjon.:bash:

http://www.oslo2035.no/

Det samme kan sies om Stavanger. Virker som om byråkratene slavisk følger 1970-talls reglene, og at dette er regler som ikke kan endres på fordi de er perfekte synes de. Regler som ble skrevet på en tid da det bodde rundt 4 mill i Norge, mens nå kan det forventes en befolkningsvekst på ca 1 mill de neste 10-14 årene, fra nåværende 5 mill til 6 mill. På litt over 10 mnd har Norge hatt en befolkningvekst på 65000 personer ifølge ssb: http://www.ssb.no/befolkning/ , noe som garantert kommer til å øke pr mnd i tiden fremover, noe garantert ikke byråkratene har fått med seg. Av hva jeg har fått med meg så er Norge det land i Europa hvor befolningen vokser raskest.

Noen får gå til media og fortelle disse airhead politikerene hvordan ståa er i den virkelige verden :)

arkitekt mafia



Jeg tviler. Det er sikkert en del arkitekter som er i mot høyhus, men mange vanlige Oslo-beboere er også skeptiske. At det er stor motstand mot høyhus i Oslo er sikkert, men hvis du leser litt så ser du at sånne konspirasjonsteorier ikke stemmer. Selv om det hadde vært greit er virkeligheten ofte ikke så enkel.

Eller herregud, kanskje du har rett. Kanksje det er en arkitektmafia som sitter og trekker i trådene. Hvis det faktisk er det burde vi gjøre noe med det. Men da må du finne noe bevis, ellers vil ingen tro på deg.

Ellers er nettsiden din fin, flott initiativ. :)

Here is a quick render of a Filipstad with buildings between 100 and 200 meter.
I know there is a policy in Oslo that does not allow these high buildings. I have no idea why this is so.
Personally I believe this area should be utilized to the maximum.
This is a unique opportunity to give Oslo certain flair of a Big City.

The new city block in this render is a part of downtown Vancouver, Canada.
Vancouver is about the same size as Oslo and one of the most beautiful cities in the world. They have definitely succeeded with their policy on high rise buildings.

Filipstad is 800x300 approximately, and there is enough space to build tens of thousands of most needed new apartments and condos close to Oslo center.
But this is probably only a wet dream for our Capital Town :-)

På norsk. Dette er en praktisk så vel som en estetisk tilnærming til Filipstad, med selvsagt helt urealistisk i Norge.
Kun FRP som har tenkt i disse baner. Selv synes jeg byer som Vancouver på ingen måte har tatt skade av en slik by utvikling. Snarere tvert imot.
Bygg titusenvis av leiligheter på sentrum nære Filipstad i steden for å ta av Nordmarka. Om fruene på Frogner ikke får et glimt av Oslofjorden er det vesentlig midre viktig enn sentrum nære bomuligheter for titusenvis av nye Osloborgere.


I don't think Vancouvers skyline is much to brag about really. It's low, flat and with bland buildings. What I would like to see is rather a few higher skyscrapers with lower buildings around. I'm no pro at digital rendering, so I instead this quick sketch of how I would prefer it if we should start building highrises/skyscrapers there.

http://i.imgur.com/A5HHI70.jpg

Jeg tviler. Det er sikkert en del arkitekter som er i mot høyhus, men mange vanlige Oslo-beboere er også skeptiske. At det er stor motstand mot høyhus i Oslo er sikkert, men hvis du leser litt så ser du at sånne konspirasjonsteorier ikke stemmer. Selv om det hadde vært greit er virkeligheten ofte ikke så enkel.

Eller herregud, kanskje du har rett. Kanksje det er en arkitektmafia som sitter og trekker i trådene. Hvis det faktisk er det burde vi gjøre noe med det. Men da må du finne noe bevis, ellers vil ingen tro på deg.

Ellers er nettsiden din fin, flott initiativ. :)

Dette ble selvsagt flåsete fra min side. Mange bra arkitekter i Norge og de er definitivt ikke en mafia.
Derimot er jeg usikker på om befolkningen faktisk er mot høyreiste bygninger. Vi får et bestemt inntrykk av det, fordi de som er negative som regel skriker høyest. Det er det veldig kultur for i Norge.
Men de som er uomtvistelig fakta, er at i tilsvarende byer bygger man i høyden der presset er stort.

Dette ble selvsagt flåsete fra min side. Mange bra arkitekter i Norge og de er definitivt ikke en mafia.
Derimot er jeg usikker på om befolkningen faktisk er mot høyreiste bygninger. Vi får et bestemt inntrykk av det, fordi de som er negative som regel skriker høyest. Det er det veldig kultur for i Norge.
Men de som er uomtvistelig fakta, er at i tilsvarende byer bygger man i høyden der presset er stort.

Problemet er at veldig få (i hvert fall offentlig) bryr seg om byen. Derfor er det også få som engasjerer seg om hvordan den skal utvikles. De få som faktisk bryr seg er enten byråkrater som får betalt for å bry seg, naboer som blir berørt av de enkelte prosjektene eller politikere som prøver å tjene velgere på å støtte naboene.

Maybe this should be moved here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1446495)?

Comment from the Planning department regarding the Plansmia-initiative
http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/04/19/kultur/debatt/kronikk/filipstad/oslo/26755573/

Found at placebo effects:

http://i.imgur.com/y0hQhLn.jpg

Does this renders represent the volumes of the planned building mass?

It's number 38 on the list here: http://www.pfx.no/web_visualization.html

Found at placebo effects:

http://i.imgur.com/y0hQhLn.jpg

Does this renders represent the volumes of the planned building mass?

It's number 38 on the list here: http://www.pfx.no/web_visualization.html

The floor-count is wrong, and the buildings appear to close to existing buildings at Tjuvholmen and Filipstad brygge.
This is the latest maps from LPO (check p.11): http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3965606

I prefer PBE's plan for Filipstad, rather than HAV/ROM/LPO. But I support the highrise hotel, so I hope for a middle solution here. :-)

The floor-count is wrong, and the buildings appear to close to existing buildings at Tjuvholmen and Filipstad brygge.
This is the latest maps from LPO (check p.11): http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3965606

Yeah, probably just a old render then.

As you may have read all/many of the case files concerning Filipstad, do you know if there have been any mention about subdivising each block into separate buildings like at Sluseholmen, Copenhagen (http://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Sluseholmen,+K%C3%B8benhavns+kommune,+Danmark&hl=no&ie=UTF8&ll=55.646158,12.550601&spn=0.005104,0.013937&sll=41.29085,12.71216&sspn=27.764672,57.084961&oq=sluseholmen&t=h&hnear=Sluseholmen,+2450+K%C3%B8benhavn,+Danmark&z=17&layer=c&cbll=55.646158,12.550601&panoid=RgMzk3_JH49xYKU1Q1WbpA&cbp=12,26.68,,0,-1.32) for example? I hope so, as my biggest fear is that we will end up a bunch of massive and boring blocks.