My pictures of last summer in Jurere Beach, in Florianopolis, Santa Catarina state, southern Brazil. An entire beach neighbourhood designed and built by the private sector in Brazil to resemble Florida-type areas. The place is a success among new riches from all over Brazil.

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The scenery from the first pictures doesn't look like Florida, Nice neighborhood though!!

Wow, what an eerie coincidence... I just met someone from there, this evening!

Florida looks different.

^^

I think those neighbourhoods look very American upperclass. Though they look VERY nice!

Florida is greener and warmer. I don't really see the similarities between the two areas.

Anyway, I liked the pictures. Perfect blue sky! Except for one or two, I found the houses design quite ordinary and dull. I think Jurerê is overrated.

Florida is greener and warmer. .

Not always warm.... it is not far enough south for that. In winter it can get quite unpleasantly cool at times when the jet stream plunges down.

^^
I meant Miami is greener and warmer than Florianópolis. And Santa Catarina coldest areas are far colder than Florida ones.

^^

I think those neighbourhoods look very American upperclass. Though they look VERY nice!

I agree. Very american!

Florida is greener and warmer. I don't really see the similarities between the two areas.

Anyway, I liked the pictures. Perfect blue sky! Except for one or two, I found the houses design quite ordinary and dull. I think Jurerê is overrated.

I didn´t say they were alike because of the nature surroundings, but in terms of architecture and urbanism. The style of the houses, the gardens, the cars etc looks like a Florida neighbourhood. I am quite aware that those mountains in the first pictures would be out of place in Florida.

So you say you don´t see NOTHING in common in my pictures with Florida?

If I said my pictures looked like Calgary, Canada, then you could say that.

And about the houses designs, I agree with you. Mostly dull and tacky.

The scenery from the first pictures doesn't look like Florida, Nice neighborhood though!!

what is supposed to look like Florida is the man made areas, not the nature. ^^

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I think this is the most American-looking house in the bunch. Notice the American-style mailbox, what appears to be wood on the second floor, even American-style roof shingles. The air conditioning is pure-Brazilian, however. Funny how even the most expensive houses in Brazil tend not to have centralized heating and AC.

I think this is the most American-looking house in the bunch. Notice the American-style mailbox, what appears to be wood on the second floor, even American-style roof shingles. The air conditioning is pure-Brazilian, however. Funny how even the most expensive houses in Brazil tend not to have centralized heating and AC.

Temperatures in Brazil don't get as extreme as in US, be it cold or hot extremes, but particularly in terms of cold temps. Therefore, things like double-glazed windows and any kind of insulation is usually unheard of even in expensive neighborhoods. Local construction firms don't have even much knowledge or practice about installing such systems, which are rather complex.

Looks like Florida except for one thing...there are no mountains in Florida. :rofl:

^^
I meant Miami is greener and warmer than Florianópolis. And Santa Catarina coldest areas are far colder than Florida ones.

By coldest do you mean in the mountains? Because anything from central florida and northern goes below 0 several times a year. Just last week in Orlando it was -3...in northern Florida it gets to -10 or colder usually at least once a year or so. The only "Tropical" part of Florida is southern Florida. I am sure the high mountain ranges are colder though..obviously lol

For example all of the pictures in this thread look much warmer or more tropical than Central and especially northern Florida. Those pictures remind me of the Miami metropolitan area..perhaps something more like West Palm Beach or even Boca Raton. The trees remind me of the greenery in the Miami metro, I agree with the OP it has a very (south) florida feeling :okay:

^^^^?????

Wait for the summer and drop a bomb, destroy everything, don't let anyone survive. Suddenly Brazil will become a MUCH BETTER place.

^^^^?????

The temperatures I posted are in celsius not farenheit (since you are from Missouri I guess that's why you have question marks) ;)

Nice neighborhood.

Isn't Florianopolis a popular second home destination for wealthy Brazilians?

I am assuming most of those homes are not inhabited year round.

Isn't Florianopolis a popular second home destination for wealthy Brazilians?

I am assuming most of those homes are not inhabited year round.

you´re right!

Beautiful Santa Catarina!

If I had to live in Brazil, no doubdt it´d be in Florianopolis.

It´s by far the safest place in the country, plus wonderful beaches and wheather and since it's a touristic destination there are lots of good restos and services.

During 98 Brazilean crisis my neighbour brought a 75m2 brand new appartment in front of the beach with amizing views for just 22.000 U$S.
For 60.000 U$S there were wonderful manors.

I'll always regret not to have bought one.

:cry::cry:

Although it looks beautiful from the pictures, I have no interest in visiting Florianópolis, and certainly not living there. I much prefer walkable urban neighborhoods like Jardim Paulista in São Paulo and Ipanema/Lebon in Rio. If I wanted to feel like I'm in the US, I would stay in the US.

M.T always showing the best place congratulations
the pictures were all great.

Lol no photos due to bandwidth exceed, so Brazilian :d

Although it looks beautiful from the pictures, I have no interest in visiting Florianópolis, and certainly not living there. I much prefer walkable urban neighborhoods like Jardim Paulista in São Paulo and Ipanema/Lebon in Rio. If I wanted to feel like I'm in the US, I would stay in the US.


This is like saying I rather live in NY than in Hawaii, or that you like the color red better than blue. You are comparing two completely different places. :ohno:

Can´t imagine why this would be an imitation of Florida!!? Get the feeling it is the local culture and values depicted in these buildings...the use of concrete, stone and tile don´t have much to do with American building customs...

These places are not gated communities are they?

florianopolis seems very expensive to me. like more expensive than florida. why would anyone want to go there

florianopolis seems very expensive to me. like more expensive than florida. why would anyone want to go there

:rofl:

These places are not gated communities are they?
no

florianopolis seems very expensive to me. like more expensive than florida. why would anyone want to go there
It is not expensive as Rio or São Paulo

the problem in Floripa is wheather, not prices.
it rains all summer long.

It is not expensive as Rio or São Paulo
is that supposed to make me feel better? it is more expensive than anywhere else in south america (outside brasil). and it's more expensive (for a tourist) than most places in north america. some of you might be proud of that but to me that just means "i'm not going there".

im a budget traveller but dont like staying in hostels. what is the least i can expect to pay for a room in any of those three cities? when i check online it looks like some ppl rent rooms in their homes out for R$50/night, which seems good. is that around the lowest i can expect to pay?

^^ No, it was just a comment. Well, this pictures are showing a single (the most expensive) neighborhood of the city, there are places for all pockets, and Florianopolis (Brazil) has the advantage of being in the southern hemisphere its seasons are "reversed", so people can go there when north hemisphere is winter (and can go to Miami, or w/e on summer). The city is also visited for a large number of argentines because of the relatively small distance and the quality/landscape/water temperature of argentines beaches.

I think the lowest price you can find is around R$50, but I am not sure of it because I am used to stay on hostels (I like the atmosphere) and the prices are ~R$35 (a little cheaper than Europe).

Dumb thread title.

This is one of the reasons I don't like Brazil.... the extreme classism..... people segregated by social classes with walls and fences and then they try to showcase themselves as this open minded laid back fun society.

from my interaction with a lot of brazilians, they are very classist.... sorry but it's not my cup of tea.

OMG, I miss Brasil!

OT: Extreme classism in Brazil is very evident. There are a lot of upper class people. But they are 1/8 of the poor ones.

PS: It's sad the wannabe thing. I think Brazil has it own charm, and identity. They just don't need to look like Florida.

Your poorness is making me sick!

Freely adapted from Bertolt Brecht

This is one of the reasons I don't like Brazil.... the extreme classism..... people segregated by social classes with walls and fences and then they try to showcase themselves as this open minded laid back fun society.

from my interaction with a lot of brazilians, they are very classist.... sorry but it's not my cup of tea.

That is what we get when a Brazilian posts a thread with such a dumb title. Not the first time it happens though.

The worst is, as a Brazilian I agree with the allegation of classism.

OT: Extreme classism in Brazil is very evident. There are a lot of upper class people. But they are 1/8 of the poor ones.

PS: It's sad the wannabe thing. I think Brazil has it own charm, and identity. They just don't need to look like Florida.

Coming from someone from a country so close i'd expected more from you.

PROVE to me that in Brazil the Upper Classes are 1/8 of the poors!

Actually the Upper Classes represent something like 32% of the brazilian population. THAT'S IT 32% of the population and who says this is not me but the renowned IBGE:

http://www.brasilalemanhanews.com.br/Noticia.aspx?id=235

Upper Classes in Brazil represent no less than 60.8 million people, more than the intire population of your country. While the lower classes represent about something like 30 ~ 35 million people. The rest of Brazilians belong to the middle classes ( 95 million people aproximatelly ).

Now prove that upper classes in Brazil are 1/8 of the lower classes! Please! :|

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Alex, these numbers are completely bogus. For IBGE, half of Brazilian is middle-class. The problem is the definition: for them, a household with a income over R$ 1,000.00 (US$ 600.00) is regarded as middle-classe, which is beyond nonsense. This figure of 32% upper class is ridiculous.

That's a much more reliable data:

Complementando o thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=967434) do GUI Piraí do Sul sobre as capitais e seguindo o modelo do post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=43700700&postcount=10) do BrunoBHZ no referido thread, resolvi fazer um com as tabelas referentes aos estados brasileiros.

Acrescentei o Índice Gini, que mede o grau de concentração de renda (quanto menor o índice, menos concentrada é a renda).


Classe A + B + C
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Classe A + B
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Classe E (miséria)
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Classe D (pobreza não-miserável)
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Classe C
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Renda Média
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(...)

Fonte: http://www3.fgv.br/ibrecps/atlas/Atlas_texto_REV_AN_FORMATADO.pdf

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As you can see, the average income in Distrito Federal is R$ 1,200.00 (about US$ 700,00). In São Paulo, R$ 800.00 (US$ 500.00). And we should keep in mind Brazil is an expensive country. Cars have always been unbelievable expensive and now, housing too.

And here, the definitions of each class (in R$ by households):

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff395/GPP_gui1/Tabelas/classe.jpg

^^

So, i posted a source! Look at that and read it. What is really ridiculous is for each post about Brazil, Argentinians coming here (ARGENTINIANS :lol:) North Americans, Europeans and Asians, saying that most of Brazil is made up of slums and poverty. Now that is ridiculous.

What is really ridiculous is for North Americans...saying that most of Brazil is made up of slums and poverty. Now that is ridiculous.
Ridiculous? I've been to Brazil 4 times, and I'm going back again this year to Rio. ...and I don't mean Copacabana or some other tourist shit, I see REAL Brasil. I drive through the favelas and crap neighborhoods as well as the nice ones (I've probably been to more favelas than you have). I've been to Manaus, Fortaleza (my most interesting experience was in Pirambu neighborhood), Santos, SP, Salvador, Belo, Cubatao, Osasco, Volta Redonda... There is easily, EASILY more poverty than wealth in Brasil. Yes, Brasil is a relatively wealthy country, but the income divide is what is ridiculous.

Brasil is a beautiful country and I LOVE going there...it's probably one of my most favorite places to go. But you cannot deny the poverty that exists there. I wouldn't say the whole country is a slum, but certainly the wealth isn't as widespread as Brasilians love to preach.

Argentinians coming here (ARGENTINIANS ) saying that most of Brazil is made up of slums and poverty.
I know you hate to hear it, and I know Brasil and Argentina have some sort of stupid schoolyard competition going on, but I've also traveled extensively in Argentina. I have not seen the widespread poverty there that I have seen in Brasil. Sure, it exists...but not to the extent that it does in Brasil.

So, i posted a source!
Yuri's argument seemed logical: "The problem is the definition: for them, a household with a income over R$ 1,000.00 (US$ 600.00) is regarded as middle-classe, which is beyond nonsense."

^^

Ok. I live here and you mean i donnot know my country better than you? :|

Ok. I've already traveled by Argentina and Brazil too, i didnt see nothing you're telling. Not in that way... Not so many poverty... I can conclude you're lying.

But if you can (could) please... Give me the sources that agree with ur "truths" :|

What is nonsense is to think a brazilian middle class would earn such as an north american middle class. You know nothing about Brazil. Look back at the Yuri's posts and you'll see you're lying.

And about argentina, nothing special. The distance between the argentinian average development and the brazilian average development is very small, in the social area.

Ok. I live here and you mean i donnot know my country better than you?
No, I think you are in denial.

Ok. I've already traveled by Argentina and Brazil too, i didnt see nothing you're telling. Not in that way... Not so many poverty... I can conclude you're lying.
lol, whatever. I travel for a living and I've seen slums everywhere (Manila, Jakarta, Sao Paulo, Cordoba, etc, etc). I wouldn't say Brazil is worse than Indonesia or Philippines, but... the income disparity is so much more apparent.

But if you can (could) please... Give me the sources that agree with ur "truths"
Ehh, Yuri's source looked fine to me. I'm too lazy to look up stats in a language I don't even speak.

You know nothing about Brazil.
Yea you're right, I'm just a stupid average American tourist who knows nothing.:nuts: Like I said, I've probably seen more slums than you have.

Coming from someone from a country so close i'd expected more from you.

PROVE to me that in Brazil the Upper Classes are 1/8 of the poors!

Actually the Upper Classes represent something like 32% of the brazilian population. THAT'S IT 32% of the population and who says this is not me but the renowned IBGE:

http://www.brasilalemanhanews.com.br/Noticia.aspx?id=235

Upper Classes in Brazil represent no less than 60.8 million people, more than the intire population of your country. While the lower classes represent about something like 30 ~ 35 million people. The rest of Brazilians belong to the middle classes ( 95 million people aproximatelly ).

Now prove that upper classes in Brazil are 1/8 of the lower classes! Please! :|

Your source is IBOPE, not IBGE :laugh:

This town is amazing!!!!!

I agree with you people. Brazilians are very classiest. They do not really interact with people who are not part of their social class. It is sad but true!

This town is amazing!!!!!

I agree with you people. Brazilians are very classiest. They do not really interact with people who are not part of their social class. It is sad but true!

Ok, I agree Brazilians are very classiest. But I don't think this sets them apart of the rest of the world. As Americans, Europeans, Asians or Africans are always hanging out with people from different social classes. Let's avoid clichés and the obsession in categorizing people.

whats wrong with classism?

would you marry someone from a lower class than you? no i think not. so why bash classism?

^^ You seem so sure of that. I know firsthand it's pretty normal thing.

whats wrong with classism?

would you marry someone from a lower class than you? no i think not. so why bash classism?

That's true. And the criticism over Brazilian classism is quite odd, specially coming from English-speaking people. In the US, there are separated accents for blacks and whites. In Britain, they came up with things like cockney and RP.

would you marry someone from a lower class than you? no i think not. so why bash classism?

That's retarded, plain and simple. :bash:

^^ You seem so sure of that. I know firsthand it's pretty normal thing.
what is

That's true. And the criticism over Brazilian classism is quite odd, specially coming from English-speaking people. In the US, there are separated accents for blacks and whites. In Britain, they came up with things like cockney and RP.

:nuts::nuts::nuts:

That's true. And the criticism over Brazilian classism is quite odd, specially coming from English-speaking people. In the US, there are separated accents for blacks and whites.
Huh? You been watching too many bad rap videos.

^^
Are you saying an African American accent (featuring different degrees) doesn't exist?!? Please, don't. You are very willing to talk about Brazilian idiosyncrasies, which is fine, but a little bit too shy to talk about it in your own country.

Yes, Brazilians are classists, but at least they talk to each other often enough to prevent the formation of separated accents along social lines.

Are you saying an African American accent (featuring different degrees) doesn't exist?!?
African American accent? lol. Pure ignorance. Most African Americans have their roots in the American South. Their dialect of language is mostly tied to this dialect of English, popular in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. This, mixed with West African creole languages from the slave trade has shaped the speech of many Blacks. What does this have to do with class at all except that historically Blacks have been systematically trapped in the lower class (a whole topic itself).
You are very...shy to talk about it in your own country.
I am? That's a quick assumption, considering I'm talking about it right now. Again, what does this have to do with classism? They talk differently, so what? So do poor whites. So do southerners in general. So do Californians. So do Easterners. You are taking two completely different things and trying to relate them somehow, and it doesn't work that way...it's called a spurious relationship.

In the US, there are separated accents for blacks and whites.
I just have to quote this again. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

^^ I've traveled a bit in US, studied in an university there, and have never found any distinctive pattern of accent on African-Americans. They bear the accent from the region they came from AFAIK. It's hard to tell someone's ethnicity hearing them... after a while I could easily distinguish people with "Great Plains" accent from people across the Rockies, let alone people from Southern US. But I doubt I could ever recognize something like ethnic accent.

Unless you are talking about gangsta rap, but who ESL-person can ever understand that :lol:?

^^ I've traveled a bit in US, studied in an university there, and have never found any distinctive pattern of accent on African-Americans. They bear the accent from the region they came from AFAIK. It's hard to tell someone's ethnicity hearing them... after a while I could easily distinguish people with "Great Plains" accent from people across the Rockies, let alone people from Southern US. But I doubt I could ever recognize something like ethnic accent.

Unless you are talking about gangsta rap, but who ESL-person can ever understand that :lol:?

I have to agree with you on this; the accent varies by region, class and education not race, just like with every one else...

African American accent? lol. Pure ignorance. Most African Americans have their roots in the American South. Their dialect of language is mostly tied to this dialect of English, popular in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. This, mixed with West African creole languages from the slave trade has shaped the speech of many Blacks. What does this have to do with class at all except that historically Blacks have been systematically trapped in the lower class (a whole topic itself).

I am? That's a quick assumption, considering I'm talking about it right now. Again, what does this have to do with classism? They talk differently, so what? So do poor whites. So do southerners in general. So do Californians. So do Easterners. You are taking two completely different things and trying to relate them somehow, and it doesn't work that way...it's called a spurious relationship.


I just have to quote this again. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

:banana::banana::banana:

African American accent? lol. Pure ignorance. Most African Americans have their roots in the American South. Their dialect of language is mostly tied to this dialect of English, popular in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. This, mixed with West African creole languages from the slave trade has shaped the speech of many Blacks. What does this have to do with class at all except that historically Blacks have been systematically trapped in the lower class (a whole topic itself).

I am? That's a quick assumption, considering I'm talking about it right now. Again, what does this have to do with classism? They talk differently, so what? So do poor whites. So do southerners in general. So do Californians. So do Easterners. You are taking two completely different things and trying to relate them somehow, and it doesn't work that way...it's called a spurious relationship.

Are you sure there is no Black accent? So what is African American Vernacular English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English)?

I use the racial accent example to demonstrate the claims over Brazilian exceptional classism are bogus. If there were this huge barrier between classes in Brazil, probably there would be different accents following social (or racial) lines as in the US or Britain, but that's not the case at all. Brazilian accents follow regional lines only (a natural thing, as people from different regions don't talk to each other so often). With these different accents following social (or racial) patterns, it's clear the role of classism (or racism) is far stronger in the US and Britain than in Brazil.

I think it's bad enough Maria Theresa (and other jingoists) simplifications. We don't need more on the opposite side.

Are you sure there is no Black accent? So what is African American Vernacular English?

I use the racial accent example to demonstrate the claims over Brazilian exceptional classism are bogus. If there were this huge barrier between classes in Brazil, probably there would be different accents following social (or racial) lines as in the US or Britain, but that's not the case at all. Brazilian accents follow regional lines only (a natural thing, as people from different regions don't talk to each other so often). With these different accents following social (or racial) patterns, it's clear the role of classism (or racism) is far stronger in the US and Britain than in Brazil.

Did you even READ the article or just google "black accent" and think a wiki article somehow proves your point? Ugh, I don't even know where to begin with this. Just no. If anything, the "black accent" (or any accent for that matter) is a cultural phenomenon, not a racist or classist one.

African American accent? lol. Pure ignorance. Most African Americans have their roots in the American South. Their dialect of language is mostly tied to this dialect of English, popular in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. This, mixed with West African creole languages from the slave trade has shaped the speech of many Blacks. What does this have to do with class at all except that historically Blacks have been systematically trapped in the lower class (a whole topic itself).

I am? That's a quick assumption, considering I'm talking about it right now. Again, what does this have to do with classism? They talk differently, so what? So do poor whites. So do southerners in general. So do Californians. So do Easterners. You are taking two completely different things and trying to relate them somehow, and it doesn't work that way...it's called a spurious relationship.


I just have to quote this again. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

:banana::banana::banana: [2]

Did you even READ the article or just google "black accent" and think a wiki article somehow proves your point? Ugh, I don't even know where to begin with this. Just no. If anything, the "black accent" (or any accent for that matter) is a cultural phenomenon, not a racist or classist one.

I have done MY research on 'black accent' and that's what I found:

http://rajrollonrolloff.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Black_Accent40143802.90152511.jpg

Are you sure there is no Black accent? So what is African American Vernacular English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English)?

I use the racial accent example to demonstrate the claims over Brazilian exceptional classism are bogus. If there were this huge barrier between classes in Brazil, probably there would be different accents following social (or racial) lines as in the US or Britain, but that's not the case at all. Brazilian accents follow regional lines only (a natural thing, as people from different regions don't talk to each other so often). With these different accents following social (or racial) patterns, it's clear the role of classism (or racism) is far stronger in the US and Britain than in Brazil.

I think it's bad enough Maria Theresa (and other jingoists) simplifications. We don't need more on the opposite side.

Pehaps you should take a quick look at the stats for income inequality and notice that Brazil in amongst the 10 most unequal countries on the planet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Simple like that. ;)

Did you even READ the article or just google "black accent" and think a wiki article somehow proves your point? Ugh, I don't even know where to begin with this. Just no. If anything, the "black accent" (or any accent for that matter) is a cultural phenomenon, not a racist or classist one.

I didn't google anything, as I know this article for ages. The fact is, the accent exists and is fairly used (or Al Sharpton speaks like all Upper East Siders or Chris Rock made up an entire new language to do his stand ups). Anyway, "cultural phenomenon": black people speaking with black people only, to the point to turn the common language into a different accent.

But ok, let's simplify the world: all Brazilian are classists. They are the most classist people in the world. All upper and middle class Brazilian people hate poor people. And if you wish, bring the samba, football, beaches cliché.


Pehaps you should take a quick look at the stats for income inequality and notice that Brazil in amongst the 10 most unequal countries on the planet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Simple like that. ;)

Please, don't parachute ok? That's not the object of this discussion.

Looks like the best places of Capão da Canoa metropolitan area as well. Typical southern beach Brazilian style.

Please, don't parachute ok? That's not the object of this discussion.

I'm not parachuting.

Well, you said there is no such thing as great 'class barrier'. I only suggested looking at the basics first. Face it, Brazil is one the most unequal societies on Earth! That has been statistically reported by the GINI coefficient.

Hence, it sounds very sensible to raise the issue of classism when MT, and the majority of Brazilians at the international forum, puts up threads with tacky Macmansions in gated communities and cheesy titles as the one above.

Also, I disagree with using a cultural trait, such as dialect, to imply that a society is economically unequal. That is both linguistically and economically unsound.

Pehaps you should take a quick look at the stats for income inequality and notice that Brazil in amongst the 10 most unequal countries on the planet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Simple like that. ;)

Brazil's high income inequality is the product the the heterogeneous nature of Brazil.

Brazil is not a country like Germany or France, with very strong national identity and a homogeneous ethic population, similar levels of development over the country. Brazil has states with per capita income 6-7 times greater than other states.

Life expectancy in Santa Catarina, the state where this particular beach is located, is nearly 76 years, in the US is 78 years while in the northeast state of Alagoas is 67.6 years. The difference between US and SC in life expectancy is 2 years, while between Alagoas and SC is nearly 9 years.

The difference between east Germany and west Germany is much smaller than the difference between some Brazilian states. As is the difference between Mexico and the US equal to the difference between the Northeast and São Paulo in terms of per capita income, life expectancy and the consumption of consumer durables (like cars).

Brazil's high inequality is not because Brazilian society is highly unequal, but because there are several different socioeconomic levels of development in the same country. Try to merge Norway with Ethiopia to see how high their Gini index becomes!

Brazil's high income inequality is the product the the heterogeneous nature of Brazil.

Brazil is not a country like Germany or France, with very strong national identity and a homogeneous ethic population, similar levels of development over the country. Brazil has states with per capita income 6-7 times greater than other states.

Life expectancy in Santa Catarina, the state where this particular beach is located, is nearly 76 years, in the US is 78 years while in the northeast state of Alagoas is 67.6 years. The difference between US and SC in life expectancy is 2 years, while between Alagoas and SC is nearly 9 years.

The difference between east Germany and west Germany is much smaller than the difference between some Brazilian states. As is the difference between Mexico and the US equal to the difference between the Northeast and São Paulo in terms of per capita income, life expectancy and the consumption of consumer durables (like cars).

Brazil's high inequality is not because Brazilian society is highly unequal, but because there are several different socioeconomic levels of development in the same country. Try to merge Norway with Ethiopia to see how high their Gini index becomes!

Really?

http://cumachama.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/paraisopolis.jpg

You suggest merging Norway and Ethiopia (which are comparatively not a good analogy to Brazilian states) in a country and you still expect its society not to be 'highly unequal'. How contradictory!

I'm not parachuting.

You parachuted and this post is a perfect example of it.


Well, you said there is no such thing as great 'class barrier'. I only suggested looking at the basics first. Face it, Brazil is one the most unequal societies on Earth! That has been statistically reported by the GINI coefficient.

I didn't say this, not at least on the sense you are implying. The discussion is not about social inequality, but about classism. The presence of different classes in one area doesn't imply on classism as a multiracial city/country is not necessarily racist.

Everybody is aware of Brazilian inequality and that's clearly not the issue here. We are talking about people's attitudes towards social classes, and I agree Brazilian society is quite classist. However I dispute it's unique in this respect. There is classism all around the world.


Hence, it sounds very sensible to raise the issue of classism when MT, and the majority of Brazilians at the international forum, puts up threads with tacky Macmansions in gated communities and cheesy titles as the one above.

If you were not parachuting, you would know I was the first to criticize the thread's approach. Actually, I always do this. Ask her how much she loves me.


Also, I disagree with using a cultural trait, such as dialect, to imply that a society is economically unequal. That is both linguistically and economically unsound.

Again, we're not talking about social inequality, but people's attitude towards different social classes. It's very separated issues.

whistler85, you are quite a troll.

of course, ignores all the evidence that I presented, while giving a image of SP, perhaps one of the states with highest social inequality.

Map of brazilian states by life expectancy:

http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/pt/fixed/470/413/Brazilian_States_by_Life_expectancy.svg?format=jpg

The two southnern states, which have a combined population of nearly 20 million, have life expectancy of nearly 76 years, while the red states have life expectancy of less than 69 years. Of course, if you mix up the two type of states you will have very high inequality. However, does a small city in the state of SC has high inequality? No, it doesn't.

Also, the US's level of inequality as measured by the gini index will surpass Brazil's if trends continue in about 15 years. So even this argument will be null.

^^ I've traveled a bit in US, studied in an university there, and have never found any distinctive pattern of accent on African-Americans. They bear the accent from the region they came from AFAIK. It's hard to tell someone's ethnicity hearing them... after a while I could easily distinguish people with "Great Plains" accent from people across the Rockies, let alone people from Southern US. But I doubt I could ever recognize something like ethnic accent.

Unless you are talking about gangsta rap, but who ESL-person can ever understand that :lol:?

There is a very distinctive type of African American English. People call it African American Vernacular English, or AAVE, and some black dialects are much more different from standard English.

In universities, specially if you are doing a PHD study in a top university, people tend to have less accent.

You parachuted and this post is a perfect example of it.

I didn't say this, not at least on the sense you are implying. The discussion is not about social inequality, but about classism. The presence of different classes in one area doesn't imply on classism as a multiracial city/country is not necessarily racist.

Everybody is aware of Brazilian inequality and that's clearly not the issue here. We are talking about people's attitudes towards social classes, and I agree Brazilian society is quite classist. However I dispute it's unique in this respect. There is classism all around the world.

If you were not parachuting, you would know I was the first to criticize the thread's approach. Actually, I always do this. Ask her how much she loves me.


Again, we're not talking about social inequality, but people's attitude towards different social classes. It's very separated issues.


Well, if you acknowledge Brazilian inequality then we're halfway to agreeing with each other.

I've posted here already. I don't know why the insistence on parachuting.

If you also acknowledge that Brazil as a society is classist (come on, a quick glance at the soap opera will reveal chronic classism) then I don't have anything to argue about.

Besides, yes, the world is also classist as well. But I think that because of Brazil's inner inequalities, it tends to be easier to be label it as a more classic example.

If you take KS3 Geography books (http://books.google.com/books?id=iz06xSmiDqMC&lpg=PP1&dq=key%20geography%20david%20waugh%20places&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false)in the UK, for example, you will see that the major characteristic children are taught related to Brazil is connected to its unique inequality. I believe it plays a role on the image of a divided country, which is to a certain extent accurate.

Yet, I disagree with your thesis on a dialect being a good indicator of economic divide or classism.

^^
Again: the social inequality was never under debate so there is not to agree or disagree on it.

The dialect, specially in Britain's case is indeed a symptom of classism. People of different classes didn't talk to each other, so they developed different accents, even though living in the same city. Anyway, I never stated dialect was a good economic divide indicator, only a good sign of the presence of extreme classism (e.g. Britain).

P.S. I thought only Brazilian schools teach crap instead of geography. Apparently, the things are not much better for British children.

whistler85, you are quite a troll.

of course, ignores all the evidence that I presented, while giving a image of SP, perhaps one of the states with highest social inequality.

Map of brazilian states by life expectancy:

http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/pt/fixed/470/413/Brazilian_States_by_Life_expectancy.svg?format=jpg

The two southnern states, which have a combined population of nearly 20 million, have life expectancy of nearly 76 years, while the red states have life expectancy of less than 69 years. Of course, if you mix up the two type of states you will have very high inequality. However, does a small city in the state of SC has high inequality? No, it doesn't.

Also, the US's level of inequality as measured by the gini index will surpass Brazil's if trends continue in about 15 years. So even this argument will be null.

Thank a lot. You're quite a gentleman.

Evidence? You have merely shown data on life expectancy on two distinctive states. To say that here is regional inequality in Brazil does not mean to say that inequalities in this country are massively present on the urban landscape. And that is related to the population boom the country went through in the mid-20th century and the mass rural-urban migration that ensued.

The picture I used was to illustrate how inequality is perceived in Brazil. Paraisópolis is only one of the thousands of instances where rich contrasts with poor. Rio is notorious for that divide also. In fact, it is interesting to note that none of the cities mentioned above are listed as the most unequal in the country. According to the UN, Goiânia is:

http://www.estadao.com.br/estadaodehoje/20100320/not_imp526930,0.php

While São Paulo is one of the most unequal states, its urban disparities reflect what is witnessed in the majority of major cities in the country.

As to the gini coefficient of Brazil surpassing the American, I disagree with the hurried forecast simply because of the complexity of data and qualitative nature of the outcome. Brazil is more than just 15 years away to achieving Equality indicators of a developed nation. Yet, it's fair enough to say Brazil is becoming less unequal fast as it develops:

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/images-magazine/2010/27/am/201027amc753.gif

^^
Again: the social inequality was never under debate so there is not to agree or disagree on it.

The dialect, specially in Britain's case is indeed a symptom of classism. People of different classes didn't talk to each other, so they developed different accents, even though living in the same city. Anyway, I never stated dialect was a good economic divide indicator, only a good sign of the presence of extreme classism (e.g. Britain).

P.S. I thought only Brazilian schools teach crap instead of geography. Apparently, the things are not much better for British children.

I actually think Brazilian textbooks are conceptually better than British ones. This example I gave you was of an unfortunate attempt at describing a highly complex reality in a dumbed down fashion. The author, David Waugh, is supposedly a multi-millionaire whose books are extensively used. But I might be unfair here, as there is a multitude of textbooks authors in the UK.

Another interesting example of how inequalities are perceived:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/images/set_012.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/settlement/urbanmod_ledcrev1.shtml

This model was devised by Waugh himself when visiting São Paulo.

There is a very distinctive type of African American English. People call it African American Vernacular English, or AAVE, and some black dialects are much more different from standard English.

In universities, specially if you are doing a PHD study in a top university, people tend to have less accent.

Have you spoken with a black Brazilian other than your maid, cook, nanny (baba'), or driver?

^^
That's so sad.

Please, don't make a fool of yourself showing your huge ignorance over the world around you.

Have you spoken with a black Brazilian other than your maid, cook, nanny (baba'), or driver?

My portuguese teacher and a manager of Sorocaba's CNS(shoes store)

Looks more like Southern California than Florida. No mountains in Florida.

video of jurere
Jx0kCrD7QRA

^^ I love that video

Please, don't make a fool of yourself showing your huge ignorance over the world around you.

lol, likewise :wink2:

^^
Really? Are you still keeping there is no different accents along racial lines in US? That's one of the most absurd statements I've ever heard. If I turn my TV, in 5 minutes I can find evidences about it. It's almost as same as claiming the racism has never existed in US.

And it's not because you'd been hanging around Brazilian favelas, you know everything about the country. Actually, is quite the opposite in fact: something like 95% of Brazilians don't live in this kind of environment and roughly the same numbers of people have never been in one, including myself. It seems you used the time in the country only to strength your preconceived ideas.

Really? Are you still keeping there is no different accents along racial lines in US?
Oh for F@#$s Sake! Did you read ANYTHING I posted in reply?! It's a CULTURAL accent, not a racial one, not an ethnic one, not a classist one. White guys speak with it, so do Mexicans, so do rich Blacks, so do poor blacks, so do rich suburban white kids...what does it matter? It has nothing to do with class.

If I turn my TV, in 5 minutes I can find evidences about it.
Right there, STOP. You've lost all privileges to speak intelligently about the subject if you are gathering your information from TV. Next you'll probably say all White Americans talk and act like Jersey Shore; or that all women are slutty and try to get on the Rock of Love Bus]...you honestly think all Blacks speak like that just because MTV shows a bunch of talentless hacks from Atlanta trying to "rap"?

It's almost as same as claiming the racism has never existed in US.
WHO CLAIMS THAT?!

And it's not because you'd been hanging around Brazilian favelas, you know everything about the country.
I never claimed that, I just claimed that I've been in more than you have.

Actually, is quite the opposite in fact: something like 95% of Brazilians don't live in this kind of environment and roughly the same numbers of people have never been in one, including myself.
95% I would guess it a bit high, but sure...not everyone lives in a favela. You don't have to live in a favela to be poor.

It seems you used the time in the country only to strength your preconceived ideas.
Actually, I had no idea whatsoever what Brazil would be like. I formed my opinions well after I've traveled extensively in the country.

^^
OK, you're walking in circles here.

To make clear: my only objection here is over the claim Brazilian classism is somehow exceptional. It's strong indeed, but not that different from other places.

About the black accent, I was thinking about CNN as I don't watch those things you mentioned, but whatever. My English is not that good, but I can't perfectly distinguish, in most of the cases, an African American person speaking only by listening. Anyhow, for the sake of my argument, doesn't matter if the accent is racial, social or cultural. It was developed, as any accent, by insulation. Usually, the insulation is regional, but it's not the case of American and British accents aforementioned. I brought those examples to show Brazilian are not the only people mutually ignoring themselves along social, racial or cultural lines. And I'm not here criticizing Brazilian, British or American societies. I'm just acknowledging their notorius caracteristics.

Insulation?! :lol:

What a shit this thread. Why this competition?

^^

Some people from USA saying Brazilian reallity is not that showed in this thread! :|

^^

Some people from USA saying Brazilian reallity is not that showed in this thread! :|

Mm. Nobody really argued that what this thread shows is not the reality. There has been a debate over how classist Brazilian society is, given the stereotypes of such an unequal society.

About the black accent, I was thinking about CNN as I don't watch those things you mentioned, but whatever. My English is not that good, but I can't perfectly distinguish, in most of the cases, an African American person speaking only by listening. Anyhow, for the sake of my argument, doesn't matter if the accent is racial, social or cultural. It was developed, as any accent, by insulation. Usually, the insulation is regional, but it's not the case of American and British accents aforementioned. I brought those examples to show Brazilian are not the only people mutually ignoring themselves along social, racial or cultural lines. And I'm not here criticizing Brazilian, British or American societies. I'm just acknowledging their notorius caracteristics.

First off there is no such thing as a "black" accent. Now it is true that alot of African Americans talk with a Southern US dialect because many of them do have ties to that region including family. However you can see the same scenario with "white" southerners who migrated to the Midwest/Northeastern states back in the day in search of work.

Bottomline it's not any more different than Brazil as far as regional speech patterns/dialects are concerned.

^^
In Brazil theres no such a thing like Dialects... But only accents!

OK, you're walking in circles here.
Not really. You are just making a fool of yourself and have really derailed this thread. I'm respectfully bowing out because there is no point in reasoning with you. You will be ignorant no matter what we say. Bottom line: North America and Western Europe don't have shanty towns right next to million dollar homes; Brasil does.

^^
In Brazil theres no such a thing like Dialects... But only accents!

This is a map for 'dialectal zones' in Brazil:

http://www.linguaportuguesa.ufrn.br/figuras/dialebr.gif

http://www.linguaportuguesa.ufrn.br/pt_3.3.b.php

There is also a wikipedia webpage for the topic:

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetos_da_l%C3%ADngua_portuguesa

Finally, the definition for dialect:

Linguistics . a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dialect

Therefore, saying there is no dialect in such a huge country as Brazil, with great regional varieties, is not accurate.

Not really. You are just making a fool of yourself and have really derailed this thread. I'm respectfully bowing out because there is no point in reasoning with you. You will be ignorant no matter what we say. Bottom line: North America and Western Europe don't have shanty towns right next to million dollar homes; Brasil does.

Bottom line? Bottom line of what? Who is arguing "US/WE have shanty towns next to million dollar homes"? I'm ONLY disputing the claim Brazil is the most classist country in the world. It's not. Nobody here gave a tiny evidence over this because there isn't any.

Anyway, your bottom line only shows how pathetic is your need to feel good about yourself and your own country. I can picture you walking around Brazil, aware of your own "superiority" and displaying contempt towards the "natives". So sad.

Not really. You are just making a fool of yourself and have really derailed this thread. I'm respectfully bowing out because there is no point in reasoning with you. You will be ignorant no matter what we say. Bottom line: North America and Western Europe don't have shanty towns right next to million dollar homes; Brasil does.

That is true.

A place that is similar to Jurere in Florianopolis is the Riviera Sao Lourenço, near the city of Sao Paulo. Some pics from brazilian forumer "Paulistinha" from the following thread:
1
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1959/bgr21024x768.jpg
2
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3724/bgr31024x768.jpg
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http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1923/bgr51024x768.jpg
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http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6028/bgr1024x768.jpg
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http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2131/talhesbarile71024x768.jpg
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http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1025/thalesansdlfkasd1024x76.jpg
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http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1305/thalesbarile31024x768.jpg
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http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4235/thalesbarile21024x768.jpg
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http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/503/thalesbarile4640x480.jpg
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http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3056/thalesbarile101024x768.jpg
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http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9783/thalesbarilesdfdffff102.jpg
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http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/461/thalessdkfjd1024x768.jpg
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http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/366/thalesbarilesdfsdfdf102.jpg
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http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/742/thalesbarile51024x768.jpg
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http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8089/thalesbarile91024x768.jpg

I thought I was done with this thread, but:
Anyway, your bottom line only shows how pathetic is your need to feel good about yourself and your own country. I can picture you walking around Brazil, aware of your own "superiority" and displaying contempt towards the "natives". So sad.
The hell are you talking about? I HATE my country. I'm ashamed to say I'm 'american'. I'd rather be in Europe to be honest.

And how dare you assume how I act in your country! I've said numerous times Brazil is one of my favorite countries. The fact that you attack me personally is surely a sign of weakness and defeat. I would never stoop that low and attack you personally. In fact, I'm not attacking anybody. Whatever, I have nothing to prove to you. You've just made my "ignore" list. See ya.

And now some various photos I've taken while in Brazil
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/e/c/Gone_Fishing_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/1/b/AnonnyMouse_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/109/5/5/Walkway_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/107/3/e/Smoggy_Sao_Paulo_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/107/9/9/Sao_Paulo_Cityscape_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/107/f/c/SP_Graffiti_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/107/3/3/SP_Downtown_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/107/6/a/SP_Plant_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/e/1/Doom_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/b/3/Sunset_in_Manaus_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/106/6/0/Mirror__s_Edge_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/106/0/f/Windows_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

Congratulatios for your pictures, are some of the most beautiful and particular I have ever seen!

I thought I was done with this thread, but:

The hell are you talking about? I HATE my country. I'm ashamed to say I'm 'american'. I'd rather be in Europe to be honest.

And how dare you assume how I act in your country! I've said numerous times Brazil is one of my favorite countries. The fact that you attack me personally is surely a sign of weakness and defeat. I would never stoop that low and attack you personally. In fact, I'm not attacking anybody. Whatever, I have nothing to prove to you. You've just made my "ignore" list. See ya.

(...)

Playing the victim. You're getting lower and lower... Well, those remarks seem rather personal to me:

Not really. You are just making a fool of yourself and have really derailed this thread. I'm respectfully bowing out because there is no point in reasoning with you. You will be ignorant no matter what we say. Bottom line: North America and Western Europe don't have shanty towns right next to million dollar homes; Brasil does.

About the feelings towards you country (quite odd to display such strong feelings about something imaterial like a country) and Brazil, well I think your "sensibility" utterly annoying. And about your "ignore list"...


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My only point here was: Brazil is not the most classist country in the world. As you couldn't contest it, you got the down road. A shame.

Northsider, have you been to Jurere Beach in Florianopolis? :)

Congratulatios for your pictures, are some of the most beautiful and particular I have ever seen!
Thanks Diego! Hopefully I'll get some more good ones in June when I return to Rio de Janeiro and Volta Redonda
Northsider, have you been to Jurere Beach in Florianopolis? :)
Nope...

Thanks Diego! Hopefully I'll get some more good ones in June when I return to Rio de Janeiro and Volta Redonda

Nope...

Which rich neighbourhoods have you been to Brazil (where the rich live)?

Which rich neighbourhoods have you been to Brazil (where the rich live)?

Hmm, the names I can't remember very well...but most of them I remember from Sao Paulo: Morumbi, Bela Vista, Vila Mariana, Pinheiros.

I can't recall any "rich" neighborhoods per se in the other cities I've been to. I'm sure they exist, but Sao Paulo to me seemed to have large single family houses and estates that are higher income, and walled off high income neighborhoods.

And now some various photos I've taken while in Brazil
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/e/c/Gone_Fishing_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/1/b/AnonnyMouse_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/109/5/5/Walkway_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/107/3/e/Smoggy_Sao_Paulo_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/107/9/9/Sao_Paulo_Cityscape_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/107/f/c/SP_Graffiti_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/107/3/3/SP_Downtown_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/107/6/a/SP_Plant_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/e/1/Doom_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/106/b/3/Sunset_in_Manaus_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/106/6/0/Mirror__s_Edge_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/106/0/f/Windows_by_JohnMKelly.jpg

Wow! Those are surely beautiful pictures!

Very boring kind of neighborhood ! Brazil is a segregated country ! It's very sad that when brazilian got money they build neighborhood of american style ! no brain wave

video of jurere
Jx0kCrD7QRA

Wow!! A really diverse crowd!!!

^^yeah the most diverse crowd of privileged white people I've ever seen!:lol:

^^
Well, as Santa Catarina state is nearly 90% White, I fail to see any problem with this video.

Anyway, it's amusing how the sight of White Brazilians may cause disappointment or even contempt among some people. Once, in South Africa, a Swiss girl told me, quite disturbed, I didn't "look Brazilian". I asked her how I look, and she said Spaniard, maybe Italian. I answered almost half of Brazilians looks like me, so yes, I indeed "look Brazilian".

^^I agree with you actually. My comment was just in response to the other one about the 'diversity' of the crowd. I would have said the same thing about the video if it was all black brazilians doing capoeira or something:lol:

Hey I get the same thing as well, just in reverse. When I travel, people don't think I'm American bc I have a darker more "exotic" look. So people think I'm always from Latin America (including Brazil), even though my origins are Mideast but I'm still American. So I know, it can be very annoying.
Plus I've met many Brazilians and they can look like anyone in the world, there is no typical look I think

While most european countries still struggle with economical problems and some of them are tumbling towards chaos, Brazil grows 7,5%.

Brazil´s import of Porshes, Ferraris , Lamborguinis and Mercedes has never been so high.



Flashy and rich Brazil:

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While most european countries still struggle with economical problems and some of them are tumbling towards chaos, Brazil grows 7,5%.


:cheers::cheers::cheers:

I´m so proud of my fast growing, booming , famous and flashy new rich country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^Thanx Maria Theresa.

Very boring kind of neighborhood ! Brazil is a segregated country ! It's very sad that when brazilian got money they build neighborhood of american style ! no brain wave

Floripa has a very wealthy neighborhood but hasn't a extreme opposite side (much people living in slums). Florianópolis has slums too but only 8% are living in these "favelas".

The poverty population of Florianopolis represents only 8% of the total population. 92% are at least in middle class. :)

Jurerê is very simmilar to the French Riviera:

Day Clubs + Parties + Beach + Live music @Beach + Mansions (some with american housing style reference) + Rich Peoples

I think Jurerê looks more a mix of St.Tropez-Ibiza-Punta del Este.

''While most european countries still struggle with economical problems and some of them are tumbling towards chaos, Brazil grows 7,5%. ''

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What she forgets to say; in 2009 Brazil fell 0,6 %....and last years growth of 7,5% (''oficial'' numbers) is thanks to absurd government spending, resulting in public debth of 2 trillion (!!) reais, rising inflation, rising unemployment, and every week downcasted growthforecast....who do you think is about to explode?
General de Gaulle already said; Brazil is not a serious country....
But, ok, everybody has got a cellphone and a refrigerator nowadays!

I´m so proud of my fast growing, booming , famous and flashy new rich country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:cripes: You can't be serious...

''While most european countries still struggle with economical problems and some of them are tumbling towards chaos, Brazil grows 7,5%. ''

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What she forgets to say; in 2009 Brazil fell 0,6 %....and last years growth of 7,5% (''oficial'' numbers) is thanks to absurd government spending, resulting in public debth of 2 trillion (!!) reais, rising inflation, rising unemployment, and every week downcasted growthforecast....who do you think is about to explode?
General de Gaulle already said; Brazil is not a serious country....
But, ok, everybody has got a cellphone and a refrigerator nowadays!

Totally wrong!

inflation is not much above the government's target, unemployment is one of the lowest in recent years, the industry is growing. The performance of our economy still can not compare with that of China, but to say that we are on the verge of bankruptcy is a tremendously stupid :ohno:

forgive my english google :lol::lol:

Double post

I've just found these videos, and as you've been talking Brazilian alledgely elitism...

"Eu sou rica / Pobreza pega"
I'm rich (feminin) / Poverty is contagious

Quite amusing collage with Brazilian (some Mexican) soap operas female villains:

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The lyrics:

"Pobreza pega, pega como sarna, pega como vírus"
Poverty is contagious, contagious like scabies, contagious like a virus

"Eu sou rica"
I'm rich (feminin)

"Não toque em nada, para não me contagiar"
Do not touch anything, to not infect me

Last sentence in the first video:

"(Eu) tenho nojo de vocês!"
I'm disgusted with you (people)

First sentence in the second video:

"Você sempre se cercou de gente pobre. Você pode gostar, mas eu não gosto!"
You've been always surrounded by poor people. You may like it, but I don't

^^
I believe they are Maria Theresa's female models. :)

P.S. If anyone has a better translation, please post it.

Brazil is a backwards segregated country.... and contrary to what some brazilians claim here, brazil is a rather poor country where a VERY LARGE segment of the population struggle to have a decent meal on a daily basis.

carnaval and bunda and more carnaval... (I ask... is there anything else in Brazil besides that tired old bunda gostosa ay ay cara, samba, carnaval image they love to portray of themselves?)

I fail to respect a society that opresses and still considers a very large number of its population crap simply because they don't have money or because they don't have European descent.

Sorry but it's like living in a society with ideals proper of the 18th century!

^^ GOSH YOU ARE REALLY RADICAL OMG
Brazil has a large poor population but say that the largest part don't have money to eat is lie,the largest part is what we call C class they live in small houses but usually has car internet and food.
And I'm sure that almost any Brazilian like to have your country knowed as a BUNDA place.

^^ GOSH YOU ARE REALLY RADICAL OMG
Brazil has a large poor population but say that the largest part don't have money to eat is lie,the largest part is what we call C class they live in small houses but usually has car internet and food.
And I'm sure that almost any Brazilian like to have your country knowed as a BUNDA place.

I am very glad my country is known for being a bastion of human rights and equality, a tolerant society where everyone is accepted and respected.

The last thing I want is for people to think my country is a constant 24 hours orgy with naked women dancing samba around and tourists looking for puteiros while the police oppresses and segregates the poor which are a really high percentage of the population.

I don't have anything against Brazil, but get real I've been to Brazil.... it is a very poor country, you just have to browse through google earth!!!

I was in Niteroi and I remember with disgust how a mall security guard didn't allow a person to come into the mall because he looked poor and didn't have european aspect!!! (I was disgusted)

and perhaps maria theresa thinks is cool, but to Europeans it's a VERY BACKWARDS THING.... come on it's not the 17th century!

^^ It is true that Brazil has a fucking bad racism I'm not saying you are lying but I think it is a very poor country...anyway you has your mind I have mine....I just think you are too radical...Anyway there are some Rio de Janeiro parts that you'll really see bitches as in some New York parts....
I'm a middle class teenager and I've never thought Brazil is really poor i just think it is in a inequality situation I have black teachers at school,black friends....You've been in 1990 in Brazil or before?

beautiful pics, guys!!:okay: