The 2nd flyover at Pet Lork Sang intersection (the junction of Road 271 and Road 598) is planned to be built very soon. After several meetings with OCIC, the development company of Koh Pich Center and the contractor for Kbal Thnol flyover, Phnom Penh Capital Hall decided to propose to the Royal Governor for the construction of this 2nd flyover with 345m length, 15.2m width, and 5.50m height; it will cost about 8.7million USD.

This flyover will play very significant role in facilitating heavy traffic at this intersection. It is noticeably that Phnom Penh cooperated with JICA experts have tried very hard to solve the traffic congestion at this point; however, it still does not work well yet.

It will take at least 15 months to construct this new flyover to be ready for the next coming ASEAN Summit 2012.



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i've been waiting this project long ago, finally the city hall has revealed the plan. Is it the finalised plan?

I heard the city hall plans to build serveral overpass in the near future. And the next step should be tunnel :)

It's look cool...! Nice design but better should build also the tunnel because still have some complain... Example: people drive from Ta Khmao to Monivong street they still need to cross the new monivong bridge and cross back by the old bridge...! Lolz!!!!!!!

i've been waiting this project long ago, finally the city hall has revealed the plan. Is it the finalised plan?

I heard the city hall plans to build serveral overpass in the near future. And the next step should be tunnel :)

Tunnels cost a lot more then bridges to construct, we still have lots of flooding problems, so tunnels will be very tricky.

Finally, we see what the bridge should looks like, looks quite good, I live very close to this, got to get ready for massive traffic delay for the at least the next 2 years, before things improve.

yeah yeah.....that is very common....if you have less money,let's buid overpass, if you have alots of money,lets buid traffic tunnel.

Overpass is a vey basic item to decrease traffic jam pressure,while waiting for MRT,skyway....let's build more and more overpasses as possible^^.
Look like this overpass has 4 lanes,right?^^

A crossriver tunnel really expensive and require very high skill to build, yes, PP need Japanese help,support:), don't worry about flooding problems, every traffic tunnel have anti-flooding engine!

A crossriver tunnel really expensive and require very high skill to build,

Depends on the soils, if it is hardrock, the work will be easier, if is wet soils, then could be slightly more difficult.

don't worry about flooding problems, every traffic tunnel have anti-flooding engine!

Yes, every tunnels has some sort of pumping system to remove water, but it need a place to displaced the water. If we can not get rid of water on the surfaces, then you have no chance to do it underground.

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By looking at the picture, People come from Peth Lork Sang and Kampuchea Krom can't make a left turn to get to the airport anymore ! They probably have to make a u-turn at the roundabout in Tralork Bek to get back on Russian Federation boulevard.

By looking at the picture, People come from Peth Lork Sang and Kampuchea Krom can't make a left turn to get to the airport anymore ! They probably have to make a u-turn at the roundabout in Tralork Bek to get back on Russian Federation boulevard.

People form Kampuchea Krom will need to find its way onto Russian Boulevard before they reach the bridge, at street 265 or something, but 265 is too small, it is bettter to use Mao Se Tuong to get to RFB.

And also people from Pet Lok Sang to Russian F B, or they need to drive around somewhere first, according to the above picture I can't find it easy.

Why do they need to remove those big advertisment sign in Lion Park, I don't think it is in anyway in the way of the bridge, or construction of the bridge.

I suppose those huge ads on the traffic island is in the way, but is hard to understand why the Lion Park ads need to be remove.

I came across the following story about the underpass.
The underpass goes under a street and not over it.
Why the writer is so lazy to look up the meaning of a particular word!!

Phnom Penh To Build Underpass

Phnom Penh, December 31, 2010 AKP --

Phnom Penh Municipality is planning to construct the first ever underpass to avert the capital city’s traffic congestion, Phnom Penh Governor H.E. Kep Chutema said yesterday.

Today there are around 2.5 million residents, 180,000 vehicles and 900,000 motorbikes in Phnom Penh, therefore underpass is one of the choices to be applied in the future, he said.

Nhem Saran, director of Phnom Penh Public Works and Transport said the underpass would be built at the intersection between Mao Tse Tung, Kim Il Sung and Russian Federation Boulevards. --AKP

Overpass = Underpass ???

I came across the following story about the underpass.
The underpass goes under a street and not over it.
Why the writer is so lazy to look up the meaning of a particular word!!

Phnom Penh To Build Underpass

Phnom Penh, December 31, 2010 AKP --

Phnom Penh Municipality is planning to construct the first ever underpass to avert the capital city’s traffic congestion, Phnom Penh Governor H.E. Kep Chutema said yesterday.

Today there are around 2.5 million residents, 180,000 vehicles and 900,000 motorbikes in Phnom Penh, therefore underpass is one of the choices to be applied in the future, he said.

Nhem Saran, director of Phnom Penh Public Works and Transport said the underpass would be built at the intersection between Mao Tse Tung, Kim Il Sung and Russian Federation Boulevards. --AKP

So we will have a tunnel in the near future :) hope to see elevated expressway coming next hehe

I came across the following story about the underpass.
The underpass goes under a street and not over it.
Why the writer is so lazy to look up the meaning of a particular word!!

Phnom Penh To Build Underpass



This articles does not seems to be talking about the bridge in this thread.



Phnom Penh Municipality is planning to construct the first ever underpass to avert the capital city’s traffic congestion, Phnom Penh Governor H.E. Kep Chutema said yesterday.



If is this bridge, it will be the 2nd in PP, if is the first, is clearly not a bridge.


Today there are around 2.5 million residents, 180,000 vehicles and 900,000 motorbikes in Phnom Penh, therefore underpass is one of the choices to be applied in the future, he said.


I really do wonder which country did they copies these terms form...

Skybridge, overpass, underpasss, etc.

The traffic problems in PP isn't the number of people, is the number of people that doesn't follow traffic laws, if we could confiscate all bikes and cars that repeatly break the law, PP traffic will be reduce by at least 50% within a month.



Nhem Saran, director of Phnom Penh Public Works and Transport said the underpass would be built at the intersection between Mao Tse Tung, Kim Il Sung and Russian Federation Boulevards. --AKP
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The RFB and MTT intersect, and the traffic there isn't too bad now, after they widen the roads, for a smoother turn.

Where is Kim il Sung?

I guess I missunderstood the story. They were talking about a new crossing which will be an underpass. That is great!! Overpass, underpass and soon will be elevated freeway or tunnel!!

The Construction of Second Flyover Begins



Phnom Penh, December 29, 2010 AKP --



A ground-breaking ceremony to construct the second flyover at the intersection of Pet Lok Sang traffic light was held here today under the presidency of Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo Hun Sen.



This new flyover will contribute an important part in the socio-economic development and the reduction of traffic congestion in the area, said the Cambodian premier, adding that the construction’s budget is from the development of Koh Pich as it was done with the first flyover built along Monivong Blvd. adjacent to Monivong Bridge.



Samdech Techo Hun Sen further expressed the government’s determination in promoting the rehabilitation and the construction of physical infrastructure so that Cambodia’s infrastructure could catch up with that of neighboring countries in the near future.



The flyover with 345 meters long and 15.20 meters wide, in the middle of which there is a one way bridge with 160 meters long and 6.5 meters wide going to Kampuchea Krom Blvd., is expected to be completed by early 2012 and cost over US$8.7 million.



Phnom Penh Municipality has been also planning to build another flyover near Stung Meanchey Bridge. --AKP

PM is now focusing on infrastructure in Cambodia. If i am not mistaken the National Assembly had already ratified the law on compensation to the property which is affect the development project for public infractructure in order to ease the highway project from Vietnam border to Phnom Penh across Ratanakiri province.

We will have another flyover in Stung MeanChey

I think The messy of car park along the road, some people dont obey the traffic law. This cause the traffic in pp more serious. The Road in pp is big enough If people park thier car in appropriate place, i think

I think The messy of car park along the road, some people dont obey the traffic law. This cause the traffic in pp more serious. The Road in pp is big enough If people park thier car in appropriate place, i think

Agree,

Parking is a serious issues, especially the Tok Tok and Motor Tok, they tends to stop in the smaller lane, and makes it hard to drive inside.

The local culture likes to use the part of the street to organised their wedding and funerals, it cause so much traffic issues.

Lots of people don't follow (or don't understand) traffic law at all, driving on the wrong side of the street create a lot of problems, government tackle the issue by putting concrete curb in the middle of the road, this makes the road move dangerous.

People that don't follow traffic light is what cause the traffic chaos in this particular intersection.

is there already an overpass on the west side of the preah monivong bridge? its still underconstruction as I see in google earth (last update on 2010/2/17)

is there already an overpass on the west side of the preah monivong bridge? its still underconstruction as I see in google earth (last update on 2010/2/17)

What is the coordinate?

well, 11°31'49.37"N 104°55'50.80"E

well, 11°31'49.37"N 104°55'50.80"E

Is already completed.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1114247

Google Earth last updated Feb 2010. The bridge was open at about Sept.

Underpass = tunnel:lol:
There are two kind
-one for traffic
-one for walker
yes....bridge also has two kind too....for walker and for traffic:lol:

I heard the term skybridge for the first time I came to this forum. Later I realized that it was the direct translation of the word spean akas in Khmer. Well, if the Cambodian PM calls it that way, the rest of Cambodia population must follow. It is a Cambodian made showing off fancy word for overpass (north America) or flyover (in Europe).

Same for underpass. Cambodians will eventually follow and call it pleuw kromdey, which I hope not.

I see someone place chalk mark on the next to the traffic island and side of the university, looks like they first have to cut the footpath to widen the road.

Which is very sensible anyway, the road next to the univeristy is only 4 lane wide, and the bridge is 4 lane wide already, so they must create 2 extra lane where the bridge start.

The construction worker has do lots of digging on both side of the footpath, looks like they are building new (or relocate) its sewerage and pipe system. In preparation to widen the road.

So far it doesn't affect traffic, but once the construction workers has to dig across the road, the massive traffic delay will start.


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They also push lots of new soil into the university, the new footpath will be smaller and be diverted inside the university.

Thanks for the video.

Start to see the 2 new lane next to the uni.

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City issues sky bridge deadline
Thursday, 03 March 2011 15:02
Tep Nimol

Construction workers dig a trench yesterday along Russian Boulevard as part of a project to build a flyover linking Tuol Kork and Sen Sok districts.
Photo by: Pha Lina
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Phnom Penh City Hall yesterday announced a deadline of seven days for state institutions, private companies and commercial vendors to make way for construction of the capital’s second flyover.

The announcement warned that state facilities and businesses had one week to move their offices, including fibre-optic cables and water lines at the site along Russian Federation Boulevard, or City Hall would “move and cut those networks without any responsibility for damage or losses”.

A groundbreaking ceremony was held on December 29 for the flyover, which will connect Tuol Kork and Sen Sok districts and aims to ease traffic congestion in the capital, particularly at the intersection of Russian Federation and Kampuchea Krom boulevards.

Khuong Sreng, Sen Sok district governor, said villagers in his district would not be affected by construction, which he said would principally impact facilities using underground fibre-optic networks.

He said most companies had already started to remove their underground systems.

“We have implemented the project since the ground-breaking ceremony and are continuing to do so,” he said.

Bech Sok Khoeurn, chief of Tuol Kork’s Teuk Laak 1 commune, said construction of the flyover would affect the Royal University of Phnom Penh but that issues would be “easy to solve”.

He added that about 120 square metres of land owned by one family in the commune would also be affected but that officials were working with the family to find a resolution.

At 345 metres long and 15.2 metres wide, the planned bridge would be larger than the capital’s first flyover, the Kbal Thnal Sky Bridge, and construction is estimated to take at least 13 months, at a cost of about US$8.7 million.

good news:)

They should have moved their offices long before construction begin.

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They are putting more and more weight on these machine, anyone know exactly what these machine do.

11th April
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18th April
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with more blocks to go.

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Traffic is getting very bad near the intersection this week, with all these trucks carries pile. These hundreds of pile also takes a lot of rooms.

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the crane is being installed
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oops, beaten by LostinSimCity, I took the pics this morning too...

But from a different angle

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I dont travel to this part of the city, except going to the airport. Thanks for the updates LostInTheSimCity and mrfusion :)

How's the progress of Cambodiana Plaza nearby?

How's the progress of Cambodiana Plaza nearby?

There are people there, I see a few on the roof once in a while, maybe a couple of handrail has been installed, but there are no clear noticable difference,maybe these people are working on the inside, rail for stairs, duct work, etc.

But all these is related to that one building next to the temple, everything else seems dead. The fences are high so can't see what happen between the 2 structure next to the road, might need to get on top of the woman hosiptal opposite to get a better idea.

Some closer pictrures of the crane where workers are doing the installations.

9th May.

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the crane arms seems to have fully installed.

but the crane at its current height is useless, the construction workers seems to have problem rasing it.

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nice to see the crane installed ....

the fences of the university was demolished for expansion of lane, it has now been rebuilt.

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don't know why they bother to beautify the footpath of the traffic island, it should be close off for presdestrian.

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there are lots of machinary now, workers are buys even in the rain this morning. Probably a good thing as it is nice and cool to work,.

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the crane has been in full operation for a while,

18th May

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this was taken on the 20th May

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the fences of the university was demolished for expansion of lane, it has now been rebuilt.

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Does anyone know how wide the road is in this section ?

Does anyone know how wide the road is in this section ?

I don't think the details drawing was ever published, so is hard to say until they build the bridge desent.

The land reclaimed from the uni/footpath is about the equivalent of 2 lanes, some of the park/footpath opposite is also appears to becomes part of the road.

Ihe original road width in that section is only 4 lanes wide, the bridge itself as shown on the drawing will have 4 lanes, plus a lane on either side of the bridge.

So the section will be 1 lane only, or possibly wider so 1 lane for car and 1 smaller lane for motocycle.

27th May, we can see lots of work near the university, a large steel mesh wall and column is constructed as bridge support.

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^^ You are using iphone, right? :)

yes, the 1st pic was taken in HDR mode, thats why it is blur....next time i will take the clear photo, this project is moving so fast than we expect..

this project is moving so fast than we expect..

and this is great to know, we want to minimise the traffic chaos during construction in these area.

One part that we see is moving fast...

June 2

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June 3

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June 6,

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Everything is happen concurrently,


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June 6

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The Golden Pavilion Guest House seems to be affected most...

A large chunk of land seems to be taken over by roads, not sure if they will get it back..


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i am always watching this thread everytime,happy to see any update...well...i have my love in road,bridge project......
sure this overpass will hold the traffic flow in next few years..nothing can happen..when PP booming traffic!

2 more foundations columns has been complete, they are removing the board that hold the concrete in.

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Preparing for the concert for the desent near the university.

17th June

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20th June

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speed up guy!!! mph:lol::lol:

oh that nice. Structure of overpass is appear now. We will be able to see second overpass soon. I want to see third, fourth, and more overpass build at the same time, have to wait so long.

oh that nice. Structure of overpass is appear now. We will be able to see second overpass soon. I want to see third, fourth, and more overpass build at the same time, have to wait so long.

where else do you see a serious need for more overpass? providing there are rooms to do so.

from what I heard, ocic is only committed to build these 2 overpass. unless there are other deals between them and the government ...

i heard the news said that there will be the third and fourth as soon after second will be completed. There will be at steung mean chey and monivong boulevard. Not sure the exactly location and if ocic company contract with those overpass or not.

i heard the news said that there will be the third and fourth as soon after second will be completed. There will be at steung mean chey and monivong boulevard. Not sure the exactly location and if ocic company contract with those overpass or not.

I will be interest to know exactly where these are, imo, monivong is reasonably smooth now and not desperate for one.

I have seen PM gave speech on TV before that he saw a long jam at Steung Mean Chey intersection fro his helicopter, and he ordered the municipal to study about building overpass there. Municipal also announced to build it after pet lok song overpass completed.

I agree the Steung Mean Chey will be an ideal locaiton to put the next overpasss.

Somethign also need to be done on the intersection of Russian Fed and NR4.

http://www.phnompenh.gov.kh/photos/detail-photo/urgent-traffixc-4-130810320554975.jpg

http://www.phnompenh.gov.kh/news-the-study-project-for-critical-traffic-impovement-completed-1305.html

Building overpass is a very expensive exercise, the most effective thing is to get rid of ALL the Fxxxing drivers that don't know or don't follow traffic rules.

^^ but clearly thats not going to happen therefore we must build around the problem not removing the problem

^^ I don't really understand why this can not happen,

If you issue just $2 fine for every offence, confiscated bike/vechiles for repeated offenders, people will learn not to violated traffic rules.

oh that nice. Structure of overpass is appear now. We will be able to see second overpass soon. I want to see third, fourth, and more overpass build at the same time, have to wait so long.

its better not to have overpass in the city, which just should be built in the suburb. I think PP has to control and reduce (if necessary) it's population density and NOT follow the other cities like Bangkok or HCM city. I've heard that Hanoi is going to break 3 overpasses down while building its elevated highway in the inner city. Is this so... dumb?

its better not to have overpass in the city, which just should be built in the suburb. I think PP has to control and reduce (if necessary) it's population density and NOT follow the other cities like Bangkok or HCM city. I've heard that Hanoi is going to break 3 overpasses down while building its elevated highway in the inner city. Is this so... dumb?

it's just a idea of a stupid professor......they don't do it for real. :lol:

its better not to have overpass in the city, which just should be built in the suburb. I think PP has to control and reduce (if necessary) it's population density and NOT follow the other cities like Bangkok or HCM city. I've heard that Hanoi is going to break 3 overpasses down while building its elevated highway in the inner city. Is this so... dumb?

PP justs need reliable public transport, then we can limit/phase out motobikes. Don't know how you going to reduce population density, relocated and spread out factories to outer regions may help.

^^ I don't really understand why this can not happen,

If you issue just $2 fine for every offence, confiscated bike/vechiles for repeated offenders, people will learn not to violated traffic rules.

That means putting out ~90% of the vehicle from public road. :nuts:

That means putting out ~90% of the vehicle from public road. :nuts:

No, once you start doing it, once people see cops actually doing it, they will know it is no joke, and majority will start to behave.

PP justs need reliable public transport, then we can limit/phase out motobikes. Don't know how you going to reduce population density, relocated and spread out factories to outer regions may help.

I dont know the situation of PP, but in general having high population density without a reliable public transport system and lack of other traffic infrastructures cause all the problems.
so my opinion: low population density, reliable public transport, NO overpasses or elevated highway in the inner city (just build tunnels in case of need). But outside of the city you have to develop a complex and adequate system of those stuffs

I dont know the situation of PP, but in general having high population density without a reliable public transport system and lack of other traffic infrastructures cause all the problems.

imo, this is exactly our problem.

so my opinion: low population density, reliable public transport, NO overpasses or elevated highway in the inner city (just build tunnels in case of need).

you can't just turn a high population density into low, these is where you find all the jobs, all the actions, the pd will only increase.

But outside of the city you have to develop a complex and adequate system of those stuffs

Outside, it doesn't need to be complex, it need efficient reliable roads to connect the smaller towns.

you can't just turn a high population density into low, these is where you find all the jobs, all the actions, the pd will only increase.


why not? those jobs may be impossible in the old quarter, but in the new urban area they arent that difficult. What the city should do is to make a master plan for the whole city and its sub-areas. That would control the density of not only population but traffic and green

does PP hat a master plan?

Outside, it doesn't need to be complex, it need efficient reliable roads to connect the smaller towns.

what do you mean by "complex"?
I meant we need to have a complex system of highways/expressways and railway if necessary to connect the cities and towns. You can build thousands of interchanges which have 2,3,4,... levels on the fields outside, but dont allow anyone to build those devils in the inner part of your city

^^ I don't really understand why this can not happen,

If you issue just $2 fine for every offence, confiscated bike/vechiles for repeated offenders, people will learn not to violated traffic rules.


you can punish 1, 10, 100 and even 1000 people, but you cant face millions people.. thats not counting the corruption.. chaos chaos chaos

Not good yet, but improved a lot..

Now most of motobike rider using helmet!
Motobike install mirror!
Car driver using sefety belt ! etc...etc...!

All this thing I never saw in the past few years.

why not? those jobs may be impossible in the old quarter, but in the new urban area they arent that difficult. What the city should do is to make a master plan for the whole city and its sub-areas. That would control the density of not only population but traffic and green

government and town planner don't create jobs, private company and businsess create job, and they create job where the people are, is catch 22. A possibility is to move the capital. then they can start form scratch.

does PP hat a master plan?

there is a mp 2020, but is in french, I have not been able to find a english version, and the french one is probably not current anyway. the mp is probably not online or on public dispaly.



what do you mean by "complex"?
I meant we need to have a complex system of highways/expressways and railway if necessary to connect the cities and towns. You can build thousands of interchanges which have 2,3,4,... levels on the fields outside, but dont allow anyone to build those devils in the inner part of your city

of course you can make the outer area complex? what is the point to build all these interchange, the great majority of people that live outside doesn't travel much. and when they travel, they have a big load, or with many cows, etc, and they do on country road. they can't use PT.

most of the existing roads are fine, all the national roads may need to be upgrade to 2 or even 3 lane end to end. we may need a dozen or so bridge connect the east to west of mekong. But the way I see, all these can very much be flat, hardly any overpass/tunnels is require.

A surface train network that connect all the province will be great, and then a subway (using the same train) in each of the main capital will be fine.

I don't think my picture is complex.

The reason overpasses and highways are built is to move people and business fast. Having all national roads expanded to 2 or 3 lanes each direction is good, but without overpasses at connecting points of those roads (flat or not), the moving is still slow. So, no matter what Cambodia will need them in the future. However, having a good vision now is better than having no clue how and have to fix it later when needed. Just look at the way they building in most areas in Phnom Penh - hardly have any side walk and trees.

By the way, I have the old mp in English, but I could not find it.

The reason overpasses and highways are built is to move people and business fast. Having all national roads expanded to 2 or 3 lanes each direction is good, but without overpasses at connecting points of those roads (flat or not), the moving is still slow.

At this stage, probably not necessary, and can still be control via the use of traffic lights. But in the future, when all those remote town has higher populations, then it may need bridges to bypass the national road.

And the national roads should becomes freeway, free of traffic light/crossing/etc.

So, no matter what Cambodia will need them in the future.

yes, we will need them in the future, maybe 20 years from now. at the mean time expand the road first.


Just look at the way they building in most areas in Phnom Penh - hardly have any side walk and trees.

there are plenty of sidewalk, mostly illegally occupied with business, and lots of trees seems to be quite dangerous (those I see in Kampuchea Krom), most grow in an angle, and must be a risk of falling.

By the way, I have the old mp in English, but I could not find it. is it soft or hardcopy.

government and town planner don't create jobs, private company and businsess create job, and they create job where the people are, is catch 22. A possibility is to move the capital. then they can start form scratch.



there is a mp 2020, but is in french, I have not been able to find a english version, and the french one is probably not current anyway. the mp is probably not online or on public dispaly.




of course you can make the outer area complex? what is the point to build all these interchange, the great majority of people that live outside doesn't travel much. and when they travel, they have a big load, or with many cows, etc, and they do on country road. they can't use PT.

most of the existing roads are fine, all the national roads may need to be upgrade to 2 or even 3 lane end to end. we may need a dozen or so bridge connect the east to west of mekong. But the way I see, all these can very much be flat, hardly any overpass/tunnels is require.

A surface train network that connect all the province will be great, and then a subway (using the same train) in each of the main capital will be fine.

I don't think my picture is complex.

ok I get your point.
PP really needs to build more bridges
as I can see in Google Earth, theres absolutely NO bridge across the mekong at present. How could I travel between the two sides of the river?? Ferry is a bad treatment

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/815/80179476.jpg

ok I get your point.
PP really needs to build more bridges
as I can see in Google Earth, theres absolutely NO bridge across the mekong at present. How could I travel between the two sides of the river?? Ferry is a bad treatment

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/815/80179476.jpg

Yeah, there is one near prek tamak (or something). it was built with the loan from China. Now you don't need to go all the way to Kampongcham anymore.

At this stage, probably not necessary, and can still be control via the use of traffic lights. But in the future, when all those remote town has higher populations, then it may need bridges to bypass the national road.

And the national roads should becomes freeway, free of traffic light/crossing/etc.



yes, we will need them in the future, maybe 20 years from now. at the mean time expand the road first.




there are plenty of sidewalk, mostly illegally occupied with business, and lots of trees seems to be quite dangerous (those I see in Kampuchea Krom), most grow in an angle, and must be a risk of falling.

is it soft or hardcopy.

Only on the big streets. Along smaller streets in some residential areas, side walk is about half a metre.

Yes, I had a soft copy, but still can not find it after a few movings.

Yeah, there is one near prek tamak (or something). it was built with the loan from China. Now you don't need to go all the way to Kampongcham anymore.

I think this is the location of the bridge. Its name is Prek Ta Meak. The construction is already finished, right?
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/2334/prek.jpg

It was finished a few years ago.

Two new bridges will start construction this year. One unofficially started already.

Only on the big streets. Along smaller streets in some residential areas, side walk is about half a metre.


half meter is still plenty only if it is not illegally occoupied by busiuness. waht is worse, it occupied another meter of the already small road.

ok I get your point.
PP really needs to build more bridges
as I can see in Google Earth, theres absolutely NO bridge across the mekong at present. How could I travel between the two sides of the river?? Ferry is a bad treatment



you are right, I think, but maybe not many people is actually interest to get to the other side which is mainly farmlands. the closest bridge shown is 25km drive from Phnom Penh along NR6.

It was finished a few years ago.

Two new bridges will start construction this year. One unofficially started already.

Two new bridge in PP, or two new bridge that connect east to west. and where are they?

Two More Bridges to Start Constructing Soon
AKP Phnom Penh, June 17, 2011 –

The projects for constructing two bridges are scheduled to start in late 2011, according to Secretary of State H.E. Mom Sibun at the Ministry of Public Works and Transport, who was quoted as saying recently.

The groundbreaking ceremonies for constructing the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Ta Khmao in Kandal province will be held in early July, and the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Chroy Changvar (adjacent to the Cambodian-Japanese Friendship Bridge) in Phnom Penh will take place in November of this year.

The groundbreaking ceremonies for the two projects are expected to be presided over by Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo Hun Sen, he said.

When completed, the two China-funded bridges are the new achievements to promote living standard of the people.

By CHEA Vannak

you are right, I think, but maybe not many people is actually interest to get to the other side which is mainly farmlands. the closest bridge shown is 25km drive from Phnom Penh along NR6.

Bridges have not only the function to connect the old urban & industry areas, but also the mission to help the underdeveloped parts get more chances to catch other more developed provinces and cities of the country.
I've just look throughout the map of cambodia in google earth and realize that the khmer just has around 5 bridges crossing the major rivers: one in Kampong Cham, one in PP, one in Prek Kdam, one in Stung Treng and the last one in Prek Pnov. Does anyone have exact information about this?



The groundbreaking ceremonies for constructing the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Ta Khmao in Kandal province will be held in early July, and the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Chroy Changvar (adjacent to the Cambodian-Japanese Friendship Bridge) in Phnom Penh will take place in November of this year.

Good news for PP
But this bridge would be built concurrently with the Cambodian-Japanese Friendship Bridge within one project

Three bridges in PP that I know of. Chrouy Changwa and twin Monivong Bridges. If you consider Prek Pnov as part of PP, which I do, then there are at least four. Also, don't forget the newly completed Koh Puos Bridge connecting mainland Sihanoukville with Koh Puos Island. This bridge is the most beautiful one. It is 32.5 meters above water. In three years, PP will have at least six bridges crossing major water way. I am not sure what "major" means to you. For example, river in Battambang and Pursat are major rivers which also have bridges.

Bridges have not only the function to connect the old urban & industry areas, but also the mission to help the underdeveloped parts get more chances to catch other more developed provinces and cities of the country.


Agree, but the prioroty is to look after demand first, demand for people to get across, demand for rice/other stock to get across.

Two More Bridges to Start Constructing Soon
AKP Phnom Penh, June 17, 2011 –

The projects for constructing two bridges are scheduled to start in late 2011, according to Secretary of State H.E. Mom Sibun at the Ministry of Public Works and Transport, who was quoted as saying recently.

The groundbreaking ceremonies for constructing the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Ta Khmao in Kandal province will be held in early July, and the Cambodian-Chinese Friendship Bridge at Chroy Changvar (adjacent to the Cambodian-Japanese Friendship Bridge) in Phnom Penh will take place in November of this year.

The groundbreaking ceremonies for the two projects are expected to be presided over by Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo Hun Sen, he said.

When completed, the two China-funded bridges are the new achievements to promote living standard of the people.

By CHEA Vannak

I don't know how it promote living standard of people, it will surely ease traffics for a while, and probably increase land value of some area.

Actually, I am thinking about how well the west is connect to the East Cambodia.

When standaing in Diamond Island, and look across the water, we see one closer one South of Diamond Island is already connected by the NR1 at end of Monivong.

But looking at the east, and that is not connected so well. The only way I know to get there via road/bridge is to get on NR6 and travel for about 25km.

Actually, I am thinking about how well the west is connect to the East Cambodia.

When standaing in Diamond Island, and look across the water, we see one closer one South of Diamond Island is already connected by the NR1 at end of Monivong.

But looking at the east, and that is not connected so well. The only way I know to get there via road/bridge is to get on NR6 and travel for about 25km.

That east side call Arey Khsat since municiple relocated the ferry port near to Hun Sen park Arey Khsat now not so quiet anymore, on april I saw one new market under construction, until now I think its already finished..than its will be the biggest market there.^^

Three bridges in PP that I know of. Chrouy Changwa and twin Monivong Bridges. If you consider Prek Pnov as part of PP, which I do, then there are at least four. Also, don't forget the newly completed Koh Puos Bridge connecting mainland Sihanoukville with Koh Puos Island. This bridge is the most beautiful one. It is 32.5 meters above water. In three years, PP will have at least six bridges crossing major water way. I am not sure what "major" means to you. For example, river in Battambang and Pursat are major rivers which also have bridges.

by "major" I meant the Mekong and its branches
I discounted those twin Monivong bridges because imo theyre too short to be a major bridge. Certainly I didnt know its roll in the region, but it seems to be a very busy intersection on the PP side of those bridges, since they have to build 2 bridges and a flyover.
I havent looked at Battambang & Pursat yet :)
KohPuos is a nice one, but wheres it in google earth?

Agree, but the prioroty is to look after demand first, demand for people to get across, demand for rice/other stock to get across.

so thats cambodias problem. Somewhere and somehow the government cannot provide well for the demands of its people. Some regions need a bride to resolves their traffic jam problem, others also need one, but to have traffic jam problem in the future (to be more developed)...

I don't know how it promote living standard of people, it will surely ease traffics for a while, and probably increase land value of some area.
to ease traffic, to increase land value is to promote living standard of (some people and) the region :)

Actually, I am thinking about how well the west is connect to the East Cambodia.


thats also my question. East cambodia still seems to be connected with the east mostly by ferry. People rarely find a bridge

That east side call Arey Khsat since municiple relocated the ferry port near to Hun Sen park Arey Khsat now not so quiet anymore, on april I saw one new market under construction, until now I think its already finished..than its will be the biggest market there.^^

..did you mean...Neak Loeang..?

I mean Arey Khsat, it's in front of Hun Sen park.

This is ferry departing from Arey Khsat to p-penh...take less than 10 minutes only.
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/khmerMBR/1283149854823.jpg

Three bridges in PP that I know of. Chrouy Changwa and twin Monivong Bridges.

I wouldn't really consider the twin monivong, and the to be twin chrouy changwa as 2 bridge.

I mean it is 2 bridge, but works as one system.

so thats cambodias problem. Somewhere and somehow the government cannot provide well for the demands of its people. Some regions need a bride to resolves their traffic jam problem, others also need one, but to have traffic jam problem in the future (to be more developed)...


You need to aware, everywhere in the world, the government has priority when comes to build infrastructures, so those with greatest demand should get done first. Others will need to wait a bit longer, and the government probably do know where is all the traffic nightmare in the country.

Also, everything is foreign fund, the government still has no money.

It is indeed Cambodia's problem, but there is not much the government can do at this point in time, and not until the citizen pay enough tax (and that requires a decent tax system) so the country has money on its own to do stuff.

I mean Arey Khsat, it's in front of Hun Sen park.

This is ferry departing from Arey Khsat to p-penh...take less than 10 minutes only.


there might be many more ferry services between the east and west.

but ferry is slow, potentially dangerous, probably will not services in heavy rain. As the numbers of cars increase, more bridge is necessary. And we should have one in PP, and potentially develop (further develop) the area directly opposite PP.

I mean Arey Khsat, it's in front of Hun Sen park.

This is ferry departing from Arey Khsat to p-penh...take less than 10 minutes only.
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/khmerMBR/1283149854823.jpg

this ferry looks somewhat narrow and small to me.. sorry if my impression is wrong. I've never seen a ferry in reality before, so I have no idea how big a normal ferry should be

I wouldn't really consider the twin monivong, and the to be twin chrouy changwa as 2 bridge.

I mean it is 2 bridge, but works as one system.

youre right, mrfusion
so when the new bridge in Chroy Changvar is finished, how would you consider it & the Cambodian-Japanese friendship bridge? are they just in one system?

You need to aware, everywhere in the world, the government has priority when comes to build infrastructures, so those with greatest demand should get done first. Others will need to wait a bit longer, and the government probably do know where is all the traffic nightmare in the country.

Also, everything is foreign fund, the government still has no money.

It is indeed Cambodia's problem, but there is not much the government can do at this point in time, and not until the citizen pay enough tax (and that requires a decent tax system) so the country has money on its own to do stuff.

totally agree, and it seems that cambodia doesnt have a decent tax system yet?

And what is "foreign fund"? do you mean ODA?

there might be many more ferry services between the east and west.



PP is going to have at least 6 bridges in the near future, so theres no more (great) need for ferries anymore.


but ferry is slow, potentially dangerous, probably will not services in heavy rain.
yeah ferry is riskish, I wonder if the ferries in PP have already met some accidents?

As the numbers of cars increase, more bridge is necessary. And we should have one in PP, and potentially develop (further develop) the area directly opposite PP.
How bad is the traffic in PP? Can anybody give me some information of the number of vehicles & traffic jam situation of PP?

this ferry looks somewhat narrow and small to me.. sorry if my impression is wrong. I've never seen a ferry in reality before, so I have no idea how big a normal ferry should be


That would be a standard ferry, I thik there are some that are width of 2 cars.

youre right, mrfusion
so when the new bridge in Chroy Changvar is finished, how would you consider it & the Cambodian-Japanese friendship bridge? are they just in one system?

When Chroy Changwav finish, it will function like the Monivong system, lets called it KJC (Kampuchea Japanese Chinese) Friendship Twin Bridge. One bridge serve one direction, another serve the opposite direction, works well, as you can't drive on the opposite side of the road.

And what is "foreign fund"? do you mean ODA? The 2nd Chroy Changwav bridge is fund by Chinese. The Cambodian government doesn''t have money to build anything. And I think I have to take my claim back, OCIC funded various project and strictly speaking, it should be seen as local money.

PP is going to have at least 6 bridges in the near future, so theres no more (great) need for ferries anymore. I believe non of those bridge goes to the east side of Mekong. And when I say more ferry, it means along the whole of Mekong, not just PP.

yeah ferry is riskish, I wonder if the ferries in PP have already met some accidents? I havn't heard of any cross Mekong ferry accident, really depends on the the maintanence of the ferry.

Yes starry.night! This ferry is the smallest one but they still have at least 2 ferry bigger than this, they can load minimum 2 row of car..

there might be many more ferry services between the east and west.

but ferry is slow, potentially dangerous, probably will not services in heavy rain. As the numbers of cars increase, more bridge is necessary. And we should have one in PP, and potentially develop (further develop) the area directly opposite PP.

Yes! got 2 ferry service to east side (1 from near Hun Sen park, 2 from Chroy Changva) specially Saturday and Sunday or public holiday they using all the big ferry even got a heavy rain they never hold on.

I got some relative living there and I always visit during I'm at p-penh.:)

When Chroy Changwav finish, it will function like the Monivong system, lets called it KJC (Kampuchea Japanese Chinese) Friendship Twin Bridge. One bridge serve one direction, another serve the opposite direction, works well, as you can't drive on the opposite side of the road.

I dont think so. Japanese Cambodian bridge is part of the national highway No.6A, which links PP with the northern provinces, on the contrary, the Chinese Cambodian bridge will be part of the national highway No.(?), which connects PP with the east. This new bridge might shorten the road to Saigon.

So it seems that these 2 bridges belong to 2 completely different "system".






The 2nd Chroy Changwav bridge is fund by Chinese. The Cambodian government doesn''t have money to build anything. And I think I have to take my claim back, OCIC funded various project and strictly speaking, it should be seen as local money.


What is OCIC? The one who builds OCIC tower?


Yes! got 2 ferry service to east side (1 from near Hun Sen park, 2 from Chroy Changva) specially Saturday and Sunday or public holiday they using all the big ferry even got a heavy rain they never hold on.

I got some relative living there and I always visit during I'm at p-penh.:)

Those ferries at Chroy Changwa gonna fulfill their mission since the new Chroy will be finished in the near future :)

where are you from, Myphnompenh?

I dont think so. Japanese Cambodian bridge is part of the national highway No.6A, which links PP with the northern provinces, on the contrary, the Chinese Cambodian bridge will be part of the national highway No.(?), which connects PP with the east. This new bridge might shorten the road to Saigon.


are we thinking the same bridge?

the Chinese Cambodian Friendship Bridge will mirror the Japanese Cambodian Friendship bridge (part of national highway 6a), it will run parallel to Japanese Cambodian bridge, and it will be part of national highway 6a. Exactly the same implementation as the Monivong pair.

If this is not true, then I may have benn seriously misinformed.


What is OCIC? The one who builds OCIC tower?
yes.

Those ferries at Chroy Changwa gonna fulfill their mission since the new Chroy will be finished in the near future :)

where are you from, Myphnompenh?

Yes they still keep doing they business because the ferry port is east side of Chroy Changva and the ferry working across the Mekong River to Arey Khsat.

I'm from Cambodia but now I'm in Vietnam.

We got serious off topic, most of the post in the last few day is not related to Pet Lork Sang Intersection, and maybe should goes to a different topic, or under the Traffic Impovement thread I started last week.

25th June, (actual work is earlier), now work on the foundation of 2 side of Pet Lork Sang, http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7033/250620116159.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9633/250620116160.jpg

A cross road advertisment board was remove outside the stone factory for the bridge, a new one is to be install outside the taiwanese temple.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/607/240620116152b.jpg

06/28/2011
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http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m482/haidaline/0a58922f.jpg

WOW they build so fast...!

WOW they build so fast...!

at this pace, they can probably finish before the end of the year.

28/6/2011 Road Width Expansion on the way into Kampuchea Krom.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4831/280620116208.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1465/280620116211.jpg

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28th June morning.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/725/280620116204.jpg

28th, Evening, probably about similar time as the lostinsimcity's

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http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9655/280620116209.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7681/280620116210.jpg

can i have a question?
what type of this overpass's tensioning pillar? "T" right?

can i have a question?
what type of this overpass's tensioning pillar? "T" right?

Is this suppose to be a engineering question? what you see is what you get, and what you don't see, they havn't up to there yet, so who knows.

2nd July, the column in the middle take shape, don't understand why there is a red/white bar on the top, is not like a plane/car is going to run into it.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/328/020720116249.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1121/020720116250.jpg

2nd July, the column in the middle take shape, don't understand why there is a red/white bar on the top, is not like a plane/car is going to run into it.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/328/020720116249.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1121/020720116250.jpg

2/7/2011 Road Width Expansion on the way into Kampuchea Krom.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5687/020720116257.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3944/020720116252.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8995/020720116253.jpg

2/7/2011 Road Width Expansion on the way into Kampuchea Krom.


is this highway connect to vietnam ?

is this highway connect to vietnam ?

No !

is this highway connect to vietnam ?

this Kampuchea Krom is a road in PP, not that khmer krom in South VN.

Highway to Vietnam is in a different direction .. I think

is this highway connect to vietnam ?

It is one of the main road in PP, start here in the intersection, and end in Central Market.

It is one of the main road in PP, start here in the intersection, and end in Central Market.

ok got it , i was reading a news few months ago that said there will be a highway connected vietnam-cambodia-thailand in the coming years to boost the tourism industries in these countries . i dont know when it will be start construct tho, let's hope it will be built faster so i can ride my car to visit PP in the near future :cheers:

ok got it , i was reading a news few months ago that said there will be a highway connected vietnam-cambodia-thailand in the coming years to boost the tourism industries in these countries . i dont know when it will be start construct tho, let's hope it will be built faster so i can ride my car to visit PP in the near future :cheers:

What about border/custom check?

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m482/haidaline/0f45e12e.jpg
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http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m482/haidaline/3a6115dc.jpg

looks like they will pour all the concrete in one hit.

Speeding Up the 2nd Flyover To Be Completed in Early 2012

Recently, the construction work of the Flyover at Pet Lork Sang intersection had been 50% under way and in order to successfully accomplish this project, the morning of July 26, 2011, at the Capital Hall, H.E Governor KEP Chuk Tema had implored to working team to speed up their work to be completely done and ready for inauguration in early January 2012.

According to the report of OCIC, the project has been 50% accomplished, the main works had been smoothly under way such as bridge structure installation. However, there were some minority works required facilitation from the Capital Hall and other relevant agencies such as solution for remaining under ground facilities. Moreover, H.E Governor had appealed to all technical officers to execute their jobs seriously to avoid any technical failure and play as good coordinators to smooth the working process as designed schedule laid by Samdech Techo to have this flyover officially opened in January 2012.


http://www.phnompenh.gov.kh (http://www.phnompenh.gov.kh/news-speeding-up-the-2nd-flyover-to-be-completed-in-early-2012-1539.html)

there must be a lot more work then I imagine, if it is only 50% today, I imagine is half way compete at least a month ago.

The progress is so good :) but are they using bamboo scaffold?
I wonder how worse the traffic has become during the construction time


there must be a lot more work then I imagine, if it is only 50% today, I imagine is half way compete at least a month ago.

as you already wrote somewhere, a project is more then just the structure, it also have fitting phase, lighting system, facade, etc which probably take another few month.

this intersection will be the modernest in PP when it's completed (for the next few years)

this intersection will be the modernest in PP when it's completed (for the next few years)

How do you define the term "modern" for a flyover?

How do you define the term "modern" for a flyover?

no,i just said about intersection,not flyover!

The progress is so good :) but are they using bamboo scaffold?
I wonder how worse the traffic has become during the construction time



The traffic is smoother then I expected, not seems to be as bad as the first bridge at Monivong.

The queue on Russian Federation to airport direction is quite slow in the morning, sometimes we bypass it and drive toward road 2004.

The way back is usually quite smooth especially after they expand the road into the hotel.

There seems to be more of an issues for those driving toward the north.



as you already wrote somewhere, a project is more then just the structure, it also have fitting phase, lighting system, facade, etc which probably take another few month.

With a bridge, it shouldn't take few month.

Looks like some concerete has already been pour in this part of the bridge.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7348/imag0203v.jpg http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/33/imag0204u.jpg http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5043/imag0205k.jpg

a problem with traffic in the area, is people drive on both side of the road.

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5th August morning, worker continue to prepare for the final descent on the east side of the bridge.

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they really should do something about the ditch adjacent to the petrol stations, last month, I saw a one side of vechile's fall in and was trap there, (very dark afternoon with heavy rain around 6pm).

just get some gravels or something to level the path. the construction dig into the petrol stations concrete but don't cover it.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3656/imag0233x.jpg

some other random pics taken in the past 2 days.,

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Working Day and Night, 7/8/2011 about 8pm,
Sorry for the poor quality, poor lighting condition is the blame.

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8/8/2011

Continue to work on the edge of the decent

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The process is very well , not long and PP has his second Fly Over :D

15/8/11: The left edge of the east decent is complete.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1668/imag0593.jpg

22/8/2011 Lots of action in the eastern side in the past few day.

Must be hundreds of trucks of sands filling in the base

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5738/0822imag0778.jpg

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Worker chip down the exposing pipes and patch the holes.

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Begin to prepare the support on the eastern side of the bridge.

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23 Augusst

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24th & 25 August

Slowly build up the slope.

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A section used to be cover off for construction is now open for traffics, but there seems to be no order as car can travel in both direction in both path.

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5th Sept, Pumping Concrete onto the bridge on the East End.

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Worker assemble the steel frame to be used for wall foundation persumably for the west end.

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Worker has begin to remove the steel structure on the Kampuchea Krom Side. (5 Sept)

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the other side,

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these frame was put up before the west side, but seems ot be complete first, suppose smaller road (1 lane vs 4 lane) makes this lighter and easier.

this is back on 3rd of Sept

Huge trench they dig out on the west side, for the foundaion.

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2 days later, on the 5th Sept, they add the wall foundation as well.

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6th Sept Worker continue to remove the supporting structure of the Kampuchea Krom end

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I was around this area last week after work and traffic is so bad

I was around this area last week after work and traffic is so bad traffic is indeed bad, especially with all those loser that doesn't know to stay left when turn left.

traffics into Kampuchea Krom is diverted yesterday, or starting from yesterday.

now, we go under the bridge, come out other side of the bridge next to the DowBi Park, after we pass the bridge, get back to the right hand side and proceed.

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notice the worker above is hanging on a platform to work on the exterior of the bridge, this is quite smart and effective, as they don't need a platform and can ease traffic a little.

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the top appears to have been paved.

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Continue to work on the remaining support over the actual intersections.

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Continue on the West side descent, now I understand why the trench is so big for a thin concrete wall, they need to put in the supporting structure as well.

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Idiots stopping their truck/car too far out is the major reason we have a serious traffic jam problems.

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Jam is good so that you have more time to take photo... Lolz!

^^ I admire your ability to look at the bright side in all aspect of life.

20th
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Strange the people did not fence around the pole, having the pole sticking out on the road encourage accident, not that I have seen any accident, but I did see bike trying to get between it.

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The slope on the east side seems to be almost filled.

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Worker begin to remove the concrete pouring supporting frames on the east side,

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13th October

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Governor “2nd Flyover Project to Be Completed in Middle of January 2012”

Monday, 10 Oct 2011 14:33
Source: www.phnompenh.gov.kh/

It had been noticed that OCIC had busily worked on the construction of Pet Lok Sang Flyover both day and night and up to now, according to the information of Mr. SAM Piseth, Director of Department of Public Works and Transport, the coordinator as well as the monitor for this project, 80% had been accomplished.
Pet Lok Sang Flyover located at the intersection of Russian Blvd., Road 271 and Road 598 (Pet Lok Sang Intersection), the significant flyover crossing main Boulevards (Kampuchea Krom, Russian Blvd. and Road 598) for general travel, in particular, the access road for international delegates from Phnom Penh Air Port; thus during the monthly meeting of October 2011 of the Capital Hall, H.E Governor KEP Chuk Tema had appealed to the Director of Public Works and Transport Department of speed up the construction work of OCIC to be completed by middle of January 2012, not the end of January.
Mr. SAM Piseth had continued that he was trying to facilitate the construction of this 2nd flyover to be accomplished by middle of January 2012 based on the instruction of H.E Governor and as of now, main activities were finished. For remaining activities such as: connecting of bridge body at the middle part, bridge handle installation, parking installation, pavement work, drainage installation from bridge basement to Trolok Bek septic tank, traffic sign, marks, electricity pole installation and finishing works. Moreover, Director had appreciated to the importance of the 2nd flyover because it functions as the 1st flyover, Kbal Thol as well

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18th October,

This side is free of machine now,

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The huge machine that does dig and install the big long anchor into ground is slowly get decommission.

This project completely lacks aestetics. Not comparable to overpasses in western countries.

This project completely lacks aestetics. Not comparable to overpasses in western countries.

How would you design it?

How would you design it?

With more curves :

http://im.rediff.com/money/2009/oct/19flyover2.jpg

And modern design underneath :

http://davidluong.net/subpages/images/mattepainting/gf-overpass-mp-orig.jpg

^^ money ???

With more curves :

http://im.rediff.com/money/2009/oct/19flyover2.jpg

And modern design underneath :

http://davidluong.net/subpages/images/mattepainting/gf-overpass-mp-orig.jpg

you need a lot more space, the 2 type of bridge serve different purpose.

the bottom of the bridge isn't too different to the bridge design you post, prehaps the column could be thinner, but we have no need to put a lane below the bridge, so the spacing is not necessary. Of course, more curve looks nice.

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Ok I agree it's not too bad after all. But in general, projects designed in Cambodia are ugly or cheesy, especially when designed by Cambodian architects. Example : Rose Condo (very ugly color and configuration), Koh Pich bridges (extremely cheesy, we feel it's an amusement park for children or something), Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower).

Ok I agree it's not too bad after all. But in general, projects designed in Cambodia are ugly or cheesy, especially when designed by Cambodian architects. Example : Rose Condo (very ugly color and configuration), Koh Pich bridges (extremely cheesy, we feel it's an amusement park for children or something), Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower).

World Class Architect cost a lot of money.

It takes time for Cambodian Architect firm to evolved.

I agree the thing you mentioned are quite ugly.

Ok I agree it's not too bad after all. But in general, projects designed in Cambodia are ugly or cheesy, especially when designed by Cambodian architects. Example : Rose Condo (very ugly color and configuration), Koh Pich bridges (extremely cheesy, we feel it's an amusement park for children or something), Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower).

Totally I agreed with you that OCIC group no have a real good designer most of their project look very simple and cheap...

Sure the OCIC tower will can't compare to Vatanac capital tower at all once it completed.:)

Because recently OCIC doesnt have strong competitors, so all thier design n architect are so dumb. after a while when vattanac tower n other international company appear, then we will forget those ugly accomplishment of OCIC.

Ok I agree it's not too bad after all. But in general, projects designed in Cambodia are ugly or cheesy, especially when designed by Cambodian architects. Example : Rose Condo (very ugly color and configuration), Koh Pich bridges (extremely cheesy, we feel it's an amusement park for children or something), Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower).

Most projects of the OCIC company are designed by Fhaperd Satapat which is a Thai company. Their original designs are not bad at all, but since the financial crisis, the company made a big changed to most projects that Satapat has designed. Also I don't see any big project that have been designed by Cambodian yet, even the government buildings or these Koh Pich bridges.

Most projects of the OCIC company are designed by Fhaperd Satapat which is a Thai company. Their original designs are not bad at all, but since the financial crisis, the company made a big changed to most projects that Satapat has designed. Also I don't see any big project that have been designed by Cambodian yet, even the government buildings or these Koh Pich bridges.


I think the goverment office including the PM 's office and the national assembly is designed by Khmer and with khmer style. For skyscrapers, I think OCIC tower is too basic. However, its new projects such the olympic and the new Chroy Chang Va city is alot better. Of course Vattanak building design is the best of all.

But in general, projects designed in Cambodia are ugly or cheesy, especially when designed by Cambodian architects. Example : Rose Condo (very ugly color and configuration), Koh Pich bridges (extremely cheesy, we feel it's an amusement park for children or something), Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.


I thought these are designed by a Thai company. Check this out:
http://www.pbl-thailand.com/pbl-thailand/Hamad%20Medical%20City.html

I think the goverment office including the PM 's office and the national assembly is designed by Khmer and with khmer style. For skyscrapers, I think OCIC tower is too basic. However, its new projects such the olympic and the new Chroy Chang Va city is alot better. Of course Vattanak building design is the best of all.

Yes, PM's office is designed by Khmer architects working with foreign architects and engineers so not fully khmer. and the Nation Assembly was designed by a Thai company, a7corp,(http://www.a7corp.com/project/arc.html).

Top of Canadia tower (why the hell did they put an helipad there ? A pyramidal shape top would have been so much prettier), etc.

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower).

I think the cylinder shape at the top of Canadia tower probably has something to do with their logo, which comes from an old Chinese coin design. How anyone could describe Gold Tower as beautiful is beyond me, it's just an ugly, unfinished concrete eyesore. It would be different of course if it were finished, but that isn't the case.

http://www.canadiabank.com.kh/Picture/Logo.png



I think the goverment office including the PM 's office and the national assembly is designed by Khmer and with khmer style.

As far as I can see there is nothing "Khmer style" about the PM's office, it is just an office block with a few retro-style concrete decorations added.

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How anyone could describe Gold Tower as beautiful is beyond me, it's just an ugly, unfinished concrete eyesore. It would be different of course if it were finished, but that isn't the case.



He referred to the design.

That wasn't too clear from the post, he said these projects "are" extremely beautiful, but in the present tense Goldtower42 isn't at all beautiful.

On the other hand, projects designed buy(sic) world class architects are extremely beautiful

That wasn't too clear from the post, he said these projects "are" extremely beautiful, but in the present tense Goldtower42 isn't at all beautiful.

My sentence was clear, you misunderstood. If I had written "were" beautiful, it would not make sense. The word "project" does not refer to uncompleted structures but rather to the projected, finished design. And I would like to add that Gold Tower, once finished, will be the coolest building in Cambodia, enven cooler than Vattanac, both in height and aestetics. I'm looking forward for this landmark to be completed.

And I would like to add that Gold Tower, once finished, will be the coolest building in Cambodia, enven cooler than Vattanac, both in height and aestetics. I'm looking forward for this landmark to be completed.

I think they are both cool, they are different, and each has its own coolness.

Why are we talking about buildings in a bridge thread?

On the other hand, projects designed buy world class architects are extremely beautiful (Gold Tower, Vattanac Tower, and Royal Tower)

The word "project" does not refer to uncompleted structures but rather to the projected, finished design.

Unfortunately the word project in this case refers to an abandoned, unfinished eyesore, which may never be finished. In the dictionary a project is "an individual or collaborative enterprise planned and designed to achieve an aim," so until the aim is achieved it is nothing more than a folly.

And I would like to add that Gold Tower, once finished, will be the coolest building in Cambodia

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I like the design myself.

According to TVK, it will be open on 7 January

According to TVK, it will be open on 7 January

the bridge itself will be ready, not sure if they can manage the clean up as well.

no image?

there you go raincy

20/12/2011

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and a couple of days earlier

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Without some modification, I think this is accident waiting to happen, when looser come down the bridge too fast, it can gets into the opposite lane, causing a accident.

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I don't know if there is a standard in Cambodia, it doesn't feel right when the speed limit and weight restriction sign looks the same.

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But otherwise, the bridge looks quite good.

We also see the power is connected.

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The traffic island is complete.

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The section below the bridge is all nicely paved.

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Without some modification, I think this is accident waiting to happen, when looser come down the bridge too fast, it can gets into the opposite lane, causing a accident.

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Yes especially at night! Place the concrete or steel divider similar to the first flyover may help but I dont see it. maybe they do it in the next few days

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Hope to hear update news about third flyover for Steung Mean Chey at th opening day

Sign location not consistence on both side of the bridge.

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I think this sign is too small to direct driver to the right to Kampuchea Krom

Also, while the street lights are good high for the bridge, if it is also for the road below, it might be a bit too high.

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Yes especially at night! Place the concrete or steel divider similar to the first flyover may help but I dont see it. maybe they do it in the next few days

Whatever you put, the curve is too steep, the design was wrong.

The correct way to approach this is to get more land from the University, and extend this curve for at least another 200m. But is too late now.

Hope to hear update news about third flyover for Steung Mean Chey at th opening day

that will be a very interesting design, as there isn't that much room for traffic diversion, compare to this, it cut into the petrol stations, the motel, and university, in the Steung Mean Chey intersection, everything is build to the edge.

there's going to be another third flyover?? really! let me see the design

there's going to be another third flyover?? really! let me see the design

People talked about it, but no image of any sort is avaliable yet.

People talked about it, but no image of any sort is avaliable yet.

Based on the studied proposed by Japan, There are total of 6 flyovers plan for PP but I dont know when or how it get built:

1. Kbal Knal flyover (Completed)
2. Pet Lok Sang (complete)
3. Steung Meanchey ( to be completed in 2012)
4. Intersection of Russian and Monivong (Unknow status)
5. Tchecoslovakie and Russian BLVD link to Boueng Kak lake street (This was rejected due to impact)

http://www.khmerpropertynews.com/?inc=content.php&id=3393

6. Chom Choa Roundabout (Unknown status)

^^

Steung Meanchey is to be complete by 2012 will be very unlikly unless someone has secretly complete design the whole project and ready to start now.

I don't think the Russian/Monivong intersection is so bad that it needs a bridge.

One thing I don't like is why don't they bury the pipes within the structure, the rain water is displaced in pipe below the bridge, channel next to the columns, then back on to the footpath.

does anyone has the design of Steung Meanchey 3rd bridge?

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l521/sopheaktr/DSC01230.jpg
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does anyone has the design of Steung Meanchey 3rd bridge?

Quoting from what PM said this morning, the 3rd flyover will be constructed in 2 phases.

1st phase is 2 main flyovers and one underpass, 18months to be completed ($18 million)

2nd phase spend 8months with sub-flyover connect to the main and 2bridge small bridges in amount of $5 million

^^ sound the third overpass will be more curved, and complex. that's good we have underpass now. are underpass and tunnel the same thing?

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l521/sopheaktr/DSC01185.jpg


Thanks, I like this picture very much. It is fully of green trees

Quoting from what PM said this morning, the 3rd flyover will be constructed in 2 phases.

1st phase is 2 main flyovers and one underpass, 18months to be completed ($18 million)

2nd phase spend 8months with sub-flyover connect to the main and 2bridge small bridges in amount of $5 million

They come up with detail cost of the project with mean the design is ready but they dont want to show up as negotiation with impact resident is still underway

does anyone has the design of Steung Meanchey 3rd bridge?

I am really interest in knowing that as well.

Quoting from what PM said this morning, the 3rd flyover will be constructed in 2 phases.

1st phase is 2 main flyovers and one underpass, 18months to be completed ($18 million)

2nd phase spend 8months with sub-flyover connect to the main and 2bridge small bridges in amount of $5 million

That is a lot of time to build a bridge.

are underpass and tunnel the same thing?

Why don't people use the normal English terms "tunnel" if it was meant to be tunnel.

If it is a tunnel, then that probably explain why it take so long.

They come up with detail cost of the project with mean the design is ready but they dont want to show up as negotiation with impact resident is still underway

The reason we don't see the design is most likely because it is still a draft design, and the cost is based on those draft, if things are finalised, they would also mention estimate start time.

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There were 6 designs, and they already finalized one of them.

I saw the final design on TV, it looks so amazing.

The road will still be jam for s while with idiot stopping on top of the bridge talking picture or having dinber or treat it as a dating place.

r u serious? how idoit? Does anyone has design of strung meanchey 3rd sky bridge?

^^ sound the third overpass will be more curved, and complex. that's good we have underpass now. are underpass and tunnel the same thing?

Underpass is like a short tunnel beneath the road

There were 6 designs, and they already finalized one of them.

I saw the final design on TV, it looks so amazing.

I wish they could put it on the paper or website so everyone can see what it looks like.

We can see the crane of Cambodia Plaza project
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j431/haimylin/a8480dc9.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j431/haimylin/ea93746b.jpg

See macau, the title of this thread should probably be change to Complete now.

We can see the crane of Cambodia Plaza

I dont see any progress of cambodia plaza. I just see that frame of building for long time.