Ocean Space Centre

Utvidelse av Marintek på Tyholt planlegges ferdigstilt før 2020. Først var planen å bygge ett nytt og stort senter på Nyhavna til en prislapp på
rundt 10 mrd. kroner. Da det ble klart at det ikke ønskes å satse så stort på et nytt senter har Marintek og Sintef nå flyttet planene til en utvidelse
av dagens senter på Tyholt. Det er pr idag utarbeidet to alternativer for en utvidelse.

Alternativ A: Liten utvidelse
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p612/trolltind/OSC2x800.jpg

Alternativ B: Større utvidelse
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p612/trolltind/OSC4x800.jpg



Tidligere plan/previous plan:
About the project
The future of ocean research. The world is in need of a international ocean research hub, "a CERN withinn ocean research". Norway has long been
in lead in ocean research and to continue leading they are now making plans of a 10 billion N.Kroner (1.7 billion USD / 1.25 billion Euros) centre in
the harbour of Trondheim. The hub will have 1000 employees/researches and a campus with 500 students.

The project is divided into two phases, Ocean Space Centre and Ocean Space Lab. Ocean Space Centre, which is the main facility will be located
at Nyhavna harbour. This 44 100m2 large building will room visitor centres, arctic lab, ocean current lab, ocean environment lab, construction lab,
energy lab, aquarium, fish lab and several different research pools and water slides for wave and shipping research.

Ocean Space Lab (Havromslaboratoriet) is a other phase of the Ocean Space Centre. Ocean Space Lab will be a 16 200m2 large research facility
built up on a underwater bank half a kilometer offshore Trondheim harbor. The location of the lab, on the edge of a steep sea-bed drop, will allow
scientists to recreate the conditions of a 3000m deep ocean basin.

The structure will be 120x135m wide and 30m tall, where 10m will be above sea level. It will be inhabitable with flats where students and
researchers can live during the week. The building will also be open to the public, so that school students, tourists and others interested in
oceanography can explore parts of the labs.

COMPANIES + LINKS | This is still a concept developed by SINTEF (http://www.sintef.no/). Snøhetta (http://www.snoarc.no/) is the architect of the concept proposal that was published in early
2010. MIR (http://mir.no/) visualized the renderings for the project. View the project on its Official Website (http://www.oceanspacecentre.no/). Ocean Space Centre (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1062347) in Skyscrapercity's world forum.
View Ocean Space Centre (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/938-ocean-space-center) on Urbika or Ocean Space Lab (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/939-ocean-space-lab) on Urbika.

View high resolution renderings! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=69762181#post69762181)

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Video of the project!
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Credit: Headspin (http://www.headspin.no/)

I guess you have not forgotten about the the most visionary projects of them all:
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00098/mt_flyfoto_modell090_98573e.jpg
http://www.tu.no/industri/article195066.ece
http://www.sintef.no/project/Den%20tredje%20bølgen/PDFfiler/WOSC.pdf

This project is still fairly early in the planning process though, and the final project (if approved) may be completely different.

Do you know what happens with the Kjeldsberg highrise?

http://www.bygg.no/cache/image/19593/53/ocean-space-centre.jpg

I didn't know the Ocean Space Centre was still alive.. (http://www.bygg.no/id/50587.0)Cool!

^^ its alive, finally some more detailed info coming!

This is the original vision presented a few years ago. Can't wait to see the final version!

I guess you have not forgotten about the the most visionary projects of them all:
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00098/mt_flyfoto_modell090_98573e.jpg
http://www.tu.no/industri/article195066.ece
http://www.sintef.no/project/Den%20tredje%20bølgen/PDFfiler/WOSC.pdf

This project is still fairly early in the planning process though, and the final project (if approved) may be completely different.

We have to wait till monday.:) If build this will be great for Trondheim and Norway!

^^ can't wait, remember that this project has a price tag on 10 mrd kr. More than twice as expensive as Oslo Opera.

That's a huge project indeed! I am a bit puzzled about what possibly can justify the scale (10 Bill NOK) of such a development. I guess we will get to know more about on Monday. All that (at least to my knowledge) has been published so far is on the vision level. So I've just thought.. nahh.. somebody (in this case Marintek/SINTEF) is dreaming up something here, that will by 99% probability not going to happen. Hopefully, the planning has been worked out to a stage now that makes its chances for getting a real project realistic. But i am still skeptic...Perhaps something a lot smaller will come out of it? what do you guys think?

^^ Trondheim could really need a world class research center, and i think the politicians sees this opportunity as well and approve it. Reminds to see how the center will look like though. But i think its the research part that will cost a lot, not the architecture/interior as Oslo Opera.

^^The comparison with the opera is interesting, which essentially is a huge government subsidy of a leisure activity for a limited number of people in a limited geographical region of the country Why not invest a little more on research that will create more jobs and income in the whole nation for decades ahead in the most important industries of Norway, which all (shipping, offshore oil & gas (and wind?), fisheries, aquaculture) are in the maritime sector?

http://www.oceanspacecentre.no/

http://www.oceanspacecentre.no/wp-content/gallery/gallery/bilde01.jpg

From the video:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/th_ocean.jpg (http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/?action=view&current=ocean.jpg)

^^The comparison with the opera is interesting, which essentially is a huge government subsidy of a leisure activity for a limited number of people in a limited geographical region of the country Why not invest a little more on research that will create more jobs and income in the whole nation for decades ahead in the most important industries of Norway, which all (shipping, offshore oil & gas (and wind?), fisheries, aquaculture) are in the maritime sector?

Well, that's only partially true. The Opera has also helped put Oslo on the world map and branded it as a destination. Just recently The New York Times ranked Oslo as one of the 30 places in the world you should visit and the reasons they mentioned were the nature, the high-class resturants, and the Opera. So clearly the Opera is helping bring tourists to Norway.

Maybe the space centre will help do something similar for Trondheim? I don't know. 10 Bil does sound a little over the top though. I guess if it's also a research centre it can be justified.

Well, that's only partially true. The Opera has also helped put Oslo on the world map and branded it as a destination. Just recently The New York Times ranked Oslo as one of the 30 places in the world you should visit and the reasons they mentioned were the nature, the high-class resturants, and the Opera. So clearly the Opera is helping bring tourists to Norway.

Maybe the space centre will help do something similar for Trondheim? I don't know. 10 Bil does sound a little over the top though. I guess if it's also a research centre it can be justified.

It will have 1000 employees and 500 students working at the center. In my mind it should have gotten more attention than a Opera house, Opera is so much less in any way, though there is a culture making opera houses to the hottest landmarks.

I had a look at their website, and think they have done a good job with that marketing video. I guess this project is one of those things: if it's worth doing, it'll have to be done properly to it's full extent of being a world class leading center. If it was to be done only half way, you would not get that position and might as well not do it.

It is truly exciting. And, by perspective, Norwegian offshore industry is spending in the order of 140 bill NOK (!) of yearly investments. This center clearly aims to cover all aspects of offshore related industries, which only will increase their importance in the future: Oil and gas installations, ships, offshore wind turbines, subsea construction, remote operated subsea vehicles...

I also think they do the right thing planning for an experience/adventure center for the public as a part of the project. World leading oceanic science combined with aquariums etc. Cross fingers for it going forward!

It will have 1000 employees and 500 students working at the center. In my mind it should have gotten more attention than a Opera house, Opera is so much less in any way, though there is a culture making opera houses to the hottest landmarks.

This is a quite stupid line of comparrison that should've ended many posts ago but... The Oslo opera has 700 people working there, and also function as a house of education for a lot of people, especially ballett dancers.

^^ might be just because i have far more interest in research than opera and ballett etc! :P

Suddenly we are discussing The Opera house :lol:

Anyway, the centre looks cool. More imortant though, Norway need to invest more in knowledge and projects like this is right thinking. I say Giske, go for it!

Renderings
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/OceanSpaceCenter3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/OceanSpaceCenter1.jpg

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/OceanSpaceCenter5.jpg

Location. This centre will take up 40% of Nyhavna's land area.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/TRONDHEIM3copy.jpg

Looks like 50 of those 40 is greenery in the renders :p

About the project, only one thing to say, go for it!

At least the director for the next James Bond movie don't have to worry about locations... :)

^^ Those renderings look quite cool, I like them much better than the previous rendering. The Nyhavna location might be a difficult NIMBY-case, however.....

This is a quite stupid line of comparrison that should've ended many posts ago but... The Oslo opera has 700 people working there, and also function as a house of education for a lot of people, especially ballett dancers.
The difference is that those 700 people (and students) are paid almost fully by the government, i. e, they represent a money drain. This is quite different from researchers getting around 95 % if their income from research projects, of which almost all come from the industry. And, as already noted, the results of these project generate further cash flows for the customers and the nation.

If the Opera house is such a great asset for Oslo in terms of tourist traffic, we should have seen the effect in terms of increased number of visits by now. The fame of the opera certainly will not grow in the years ahead as the novelty aspects subsides. Oslo is not Sydney, and even there I would be very surprised if it was the Sydney opera house that attracts tourist. Interesting to visit when you are there, sure, but not enough to plan the trip.

Anyway, the Opera house is already built, but the queue of similar public money drains in Oslo seems endless.....

Lots of info in Adressa's article about the project today:

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1441416.ece

I love these designs. This research has been, and will continue to be, very important for Norway... so fingers crossed.

Looks interesting but 10 billion NOK for a research center is way over the top.

Ocean Space Center, research island. Detailed render.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/OceanSpaceCenter4small500.jpg
(The illustration are made by MIR (http://mir.no/), pictures and material must be properly credited if used)

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Nice updates Þróndeimr! The last hi-res rendering of the Ocean Space center is fantastic. The Snippen project also seems to me to be of a higher quality then the previous housing blocks in that area.

I also like your post on the road project "E6 Øst". The sketches superimposed onto the aerial photographs gives a nice impression. Too bad only that they plan to use 4 long years to complete it...Doesn't exactly sound like 24/7 schedule, although it should have been!

^^ thanks, and yes, Snippen is much nicer than the rest of Elvehavn Brygge, and thumbs up using pine as wooden façades!

About new E6, its a great projects, far better than Nordre Avlastningsvei. Using 4 year is just typical Norwegian, the slowest country in the world... I understand safety takes longer time though, but it could certainly have been done faster with a bigger budged.

And here are all the high-resolution renderings i have of Ocean Space Center. The renderings are made by MIR (http://mir.no/) and must be properly credited if used.

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This was in the paper a few days ago: http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1565601.ece
Seems they have to scale down the project to get it approved by the gowernment...
I have to agree with some of the comments that if it had been in the Oslo-region it would been a lot easyer to get it approved with the current pricetag.
It costs about 2,5 operas like the new one in Oslo, wich is a nice building but doesn't produce much more, atleast in my ears, then noice.
Typical Norway, that eastern parts of the country is favorised, cause thats where the moneyholders live...

Those renderings look great. Beautiful shapes.

Snøhetta/Mir knows their sh*t.

AWESOME. Really stupid they'd have to scale it down, I really hope it doesn't come to that. Why on earth scale it down when all the government talk about is how we have to focus on new innovating ideas that will replace our oil industry?

Ocean Space Centre looks really good. So simple yet elegant building hanging over ordinary harbour facilities. I like it! :drool: Don't like the Ocean Space Lab though...

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As expected, Ocean Space Center is changing completely and will never even be anything close to as grand as the first plans. They have worked out three alternatives, only the third alternative suggest a Ocean Space Center at Nyhavna. The Nyhavna alternative looks small though, from what is written here, nothing of architectural impression as seen in the renderings. Snøhetta is still in as the architect of the project. This artificial research platform-island in the fjord if of course completely left out of the project. The article finishes of saying the Nyhavna alternative is both very difficult and much more expensive.

UFO-en som ikke lander i fjorden
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1664131.ece

Ocean Space Centre skulle bli et marinteknisk kunnskapssenter i Trondheim og sikre at Norge fortsetter å være et marinteknisk foregangsland, også i fremtiden. De ambisiøse planene ble overlevert nærings- og handelsminister Trond Giske, tidlig i 2010. Investeringskostnadene ble beregnet til ti milliarder kroner, eller to og en halv opera.

Verdens mest avanserte
Tegningene næringsministeren fikk se, var svært ambisiøse og det visuelle var utformet av de verdenskjente arkitektene i Snøhetta.

Et kontor og undervisningslokaler på Nyhavna skal være formet som hvite sopper, bygninger som gir assosiasjoner til UFO-er. Et marinteknisk besøkssenter skal graves ned på Piren. Halvannen kilometer ut i Trondheimsfjorden skal indrefileten, et sirkelformet monumentalbygg ligge. Dette skal huse verdens mest avanserte havbasseng. Bygget og bassenget skal gi forskerne muligheten til å simulere havdyp større enn 3000 meter. Kunnskapsmiljøet ved NTNU og flere av landets mektigste industriselskaper har latt seg besnære av ideen om å gjøre Trondheim verdensledende på dette området og er alle med på laget. Adresseavisen skrev i en leder at senteret blir «en syretest i vilje».

Siden skissene ble offentliggjort i februar 2010, har imidlertid Ocean Space Centre endret seg radikalt.

Lander på land
Prosjektleder Atle Minsaas har tidligere uttalt at senteret ikke kan stå ferdig før om 10 år, etter utredninger, anbudsrunder og bygging. Arbeidet med prosjektet pågår i høyeste grad fortsatt.

- Vi er i ferd med å utrede ulike alternativer til den opprinnelige visjonen som en del av konseptvalgsutredningen. Disse alternativene er alle basert på land, sier Minsaas.

Ifølge prosjektdirektør Inge Fottland ved NTNU, har planene for Ocean Space Centre endret seg radikalt. Ambisjonene i forhold til visuell utfordring er skrudd ned, selv om arkitektene i Snøhetta fortsatt er involvert i å utforme hvordan alternativene kan se ut. Den opprinnelige kostnadsrammen på ti milliarder, er også nedjustert.

- Tallerkenen i fjorden er ikke lenger en del av anlegget. Et bygg på Nyhavna vurderes fortsatt, sier han til adressa.no.

Minsaas bekrefter at man i konseptvalgsutredningen ser mot Nyhavna og Tyholt. På Tyholt er det to forskjellige muligheter i Marinteknisk senter. Det ene alternativet er å utvikle og bygge ut dagens senter, slik at det kan møte fremtidens krav.

- Det konseptet er relativt begrenset, sier Minsaas.

Usikker fremtid
Den andre muligheten er å rive senteret for å bygge et helt nytt Ocean Space Centre på samme sted. Alternativ tre er å bygge et kunnskapssenter på Nyhavna.

- Da vil det være naturlig å samlokalisere ulike deler av NTNU og Sintef-miljøet som jobber med havromsrelaterte problemstillinger, sier han.

Grunnforholdene på Nyhavna er imidlertid problematiske i forhold til å realisere et Ocean Space Center. Man er avhengig av at havbassengene er hundre prosent stabile, ellers vil det påvirke forskningsresultatene.

- Det vil være meget krevende og kostbart å bygge på Nyhavna, sier Minsaas.

Fortsatt verdensledende
Prosjektlederen skal levere konseptvalgsutredningen til Nærings- og handelsdepartementet innen 1. oktober. Deretter vil den bli gjenstand for ekstern kvalitetssikring i regi av Finansdepartementet etterfulgt av politisk behandling. Fylkesordfører Tore O. Sandvik har omtalt seg selv som politisk støttekontakt for Ocean Space Centre.

- Ocean Space Centre skal fortsatt være verdensledende og ligge i Trondheim. Det viktige er ikke hvordan det blir seende ut, men at det kan være verdensledende på sitt område. Det er slik vi får internasjonal oppmerksomhet rundt det, sier han.

Well, sadly Ocean Space Centre looks to be dead, at least in it's original form. Too bad the Norway government lacks the vision and will to commit to something grand as this. I just want to share some inside information that I was told by reliable sources a few weeks ago. Which is that SINTEF also have explored the possibilities of constructing this centre abroad. In fact, Singapore authorities have offered to fully finance this centre to be built in Singapore. Now, I'm sure they want something in return, but that only proves that others see the value of having a world leading marine technology hub like this would be. SINTEF prefers to have it built in Norway of course, but if they can't, there are alternatives...

To alternativer planlegges på Tyholt, hvem av de det blir avgjøres vel når politikerne har tatt standpunkt i hvor mye det skal satses på et slikt senter.

Alternativ A: Liten utbygging
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p612/trolltind/OSC2x800.jpg

Alternativ B: Større utbygging
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p612/trolltind/OSC4x800.jpg

Regner med staten har sitt å si også....i og med at NRK sikkert disponerer?

Skal ikke mange postene opp i denne tråden før du ser et eksempel på hva som skjedde forrige gang politikerne fikk mulighet til å 'satse' på et nytt senter...

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.9571033

Dette stoppes av kvikkleire
Havromslaboratoriet må bygges på Tyholt
http://www.tu.no/industri/2012/12/05/dette-stoppes-av-kvikkleire