Let tell them the truth of Nanking massacre of 1937

Some Janps said in the forum that
Well China's military is outdated so how can you do that? Japan's SDF isn't even a proper military but still one of the top 5 military powers in the world, even with that temporary condition.

By the way Nankin is a Chinese fabrication so who even cares.
Lets go to tell them the truth of Nanking massacre
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=128275&page=2&pp=20

Let tell them the truth of Nanking massacre of 1937

Some Janps said in the forum that
Well China's military is outdated so how can you do that? Japan's SDF isn't even a proper military but still one of the top 5 military powers in the world, even with that temporary condition.

By the way Nankin is a Chinese fabrication so who even cares.
Lets go to tell them the truth of Nanking massacre
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=128275&page=2&pp=20

Let tell them the truth of Nanking massacre of 1937

Some Janps said in the forum that
Well China's military is outdated so how can you do that? Japan's SDF isn't even a proper military but still one of the top 5 military powers in the world, even with that temporary condition.

By the way Nankin is a Chinese fabrication so who even cares.
Lets go to tell them the truth of Nanking massacre
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=128275&page=2&pp=20

I replied to the little Jap already.

thanks, good job.

anybody else?

Let tell them the truth of Nanking massacre of 1937

Some Janps said in the forum that

Lets go to tell them the truth of Nanking massacre
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=128275&page=2&pp=20
Hey pal, u argue with a Jap ( I should have been banned for calling this :lol: )? I think it's not even worth.
By the way I deem the loss in the war ascribed to the disunity of all Chinese so there were a bunch Hanjian... Hope this won't happen again...

Sigh...although I do find those comments denying the Nanjing massacre as the amongst the most ridiculous ever, I also wonder how you guys feel if people keep calling us chinks?

Sigh...although I do find those comments denying the Nanjing massacre as the amongst the most ridiculous ever, I also wonder how you guys feel if people keep calling us chinks?
FIGHT BACK!

I listened that China's gov is very angry because of a new history book which will be used in Japan's schools. I listened that it supports China "liberation" (sic) by Japan during WWII. Could you tell me anything else about this, please? I'd like to know details.

FIGHT BACK!
Sigh.....perhaps if we call others with more respectable terms, then they have less reasons to refer us with rude terminology too right?

Sigh.....perhaps if we call others with more respectable terms, then they have less reasons to refer us with rude terminology too right?
Not right. If they could be dealt with rationality, why would they deny the facts? From my own limited experience, arguing with some unreasonable ppl r not worth, because they never argue with sense and will never admit their errors.

Not right. If they could be dealt with rationality, why would they deny the facts? From my own limited experience, arguing with some unreasonable ppl r not worth, because they never argue with sense and will never admit their errors.
Then I would rather ignore them and make them jokes of themselves.

*sigh* why cant the past be forgiven? If you believe that you are the most moral and civilised side, then why do you want to sink to the level of wanting revenge? what do you want to do? do you want to slaughter every Japanese man, woman, girl and boy in the same way their troops did so to you? What higher principles are those? means you are no better than those troops who behaved like animals.

I agree the Japanese government must face up to this great injustice done not only on the Chinese people, but all over Asia: when the Japanese took Manila, and Singapore, the Japanese troops slaughters thousands too, BUT when it comes to regarding a WHOLE people, people in those countries view them as they are NOW, not as some of their MAD troops were. Look at the US troops who invade so many places, they did unspeakable horrors too, hidden from the media's eye, but do those actions define the American peopel as a whole? Of course they don't! .. but due to the way their troops were acting before, there is alot of hatred and terrorism towards the west: even though people in those countries will claim its "fair", it is nothing but disrespectful, hurtful and indiscriminate in its ultimate seeking of killing people, regardless of who or what they are: or what lives they lead: as long as they are "westerners".. *tsk**tsk* *tsk* Do the chinese want to do something like this if they had the chance?? Sometimes i wonder maybe they do... The Chinese people must learn to FORGIVE: i'm not saying for you to forget; you must NEVER forget, and strive that people should remember such an injustice in order to safeguard peace in the future: but one shouldnt make the Japanese seem Subhuman, as thats the first step toward war. You have no reason to hate the Japanese youth, or those Japanese old women and men who had nothing to do with Nanjing!

To put it all in one sentence, the victims finds it hard to forgive when the aggressor are unwilling to show they are repentent.

Yes, they have killed hundreds of thousands of non-Chinese, but to imagine them travelling for hundreds of kilometres down south to Singapore just to massacre the Chinese population here in particular is a fact not forgotten by many Singaporean Chinese to this day.

Shocl tactics now:

Massacre of Civilians in Manila, Philippines: obviously these people are NOT Chinese, they were slaughtered by the Japanese troops just as mercilessly as the Chinese were:

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/japan/manila2.jpg
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/japan/manila3.jpg
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/japan/manila4.jpg
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/japan/War4.jpg
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/japan/manila5.jpg
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/70-42/atroc.JPG

The Japanese slaughtered so many people in the Philippines and the Pacific that its very hard to estimate numbers, but i have read figures that number in the hundreds of thousands! (PARTICULARLY in the Philippines and Western Pacific especially with the Death March of Bataan, as well as so many rural civilians slaughtered for tryin to give food to the Allied prisoners too).

You see, it was not only Nanjing and the Chinese who had this injustice put upon them.

But my mother who was nearly killed in a Japanese Air Raid on her hometown as a child and spent the early years of her life in a country under Japanese imperial rule, can forgive and move on with her life. But many of my mates who are Chinese who are young and have not even SEEN anything for themselves are so quick to condemn a Japanese person just for being Japanese. I think that isnt even right for todays world where we are driven by wanting to create a peaceful and changed world...

I don’t know if you have paid attention to the recent Asian political news. Those japs just came out to deny their crime or say something which is totally offensive to the victims once in a while.

No one wants to always struggle in the miserable past. But how can people forgive it when they have never received a respectful apology?

:) Just Nuke them ! :) Again !

Yes,a radical way to solute problems which is not very bad method!
I agree with you partially.StarReacher

This is cross post..

Who's them? It was one ignorant poster who has been banned numerous times.

This is cross post..

First of all, why are you japs doing here?
Trying to start some conflict between Chinese people again? You wish!

Secondly, nobody wants to see you here.
Remember you guys are always not welcomed in any of the Asian forums. We don’t like you guys.

Finally, I bet you guys want to see a war b/w mainland and Taiwan, or an independence of Taiwan. How evil is that.:evil:

First of all, why are you japs doing here?
Trying to start some conflict between Chinese people again? You wish!

Secondly, nobody wants to see you here.
Remember you guys are always not welcomed in any of the Asian forums. We don’t like you guys.

Finally, I bet you guys want to see a war b/w mainland and Taiwan, or an independence of Taiwan. How evil is that.:evil:

What makes you so excitement just a "cross post" attention?

Anyways, here is the "Skyscraper" related forum, so please refrain from sensitive political statement.
And I don't care you hate Japan or not, but please stop calling us contempt term like "japs".

Here is an international forum, we must keep rules and mutual respect, isn't it? ;)

Hala... I'm Taiwanese and even I still take offense to that.

Harbouring so much hate is never good.
Neither is blaming an entire population.

As for independence of Taiwan, I have no idea where THAT came from, but I seriously thing you're trying to find conflicts yourself, where none exist.

Actually, Formosa was on the side of Japan in 1937... Many ppl seem to forget that.

Wars are not good. We just have to remember mistakes we made in the past and try not to repeat them. Under the racial and cultural differences, we are all humans. We should unit as a human race and make the world a better place to live. The raical and cultural differences are just the colorful bonus on the top of that.

its history let sleeping dogz lye.!!!don't look back look forward.!!!

its history let sleeping dogz lye.!!!don't look back look forward.!!!
How come u r back, man?

Japanese policy and the way of thinking in Japan are two different things.
There are of course many people who are ashamed of what happened in the name of Japanese imperialism.
But: it's truly ridiculous that politicians of the LDP are not willing to admit clearly the horrible mistakes that have been made during pacific war and WW II. It's a shame in my eyes as well.

On the other hand:
The Chinese policy needs (like in all communist or/and totalitarian states) very clear images of enemies, so it's natural to educate its people in a anti-japanese way, because it's the line that's more favorable for the administration (evocation of strong feelings of unity, distracting from own mistakes etc.). On the contrary the cooperation on business issues is marvelous.

As a result: the heads of the two nations must come together and solve the heavy and difficult political problems in a calm way.
Japanese government should express that the Japanese Empire was responsible for war crimes that were committed under Japanese flag as first step.

Actually, Formosa was on the side of Japan in 1937... Many ppl seem to forget that.

And pls don't forget WHY Formosa was on Japan's side. COLONIZATION.

PWNED.

j/k. The governments of all nations don't want to deal with their past mistakes and other controversial actions, so they don't encourage people to learn or talk too much about them because it could possibly discredit the government. In the end, every person, group, nation, etc. must learn from the mistakes committed.

Oh, the thirst for truth. What really happened?

*SuperChan7 must do his research before flaming on this thread*

What makes you so excitement just a "cross post" attention?

Anyways, here is the "Skyscraper" related forum, so please refrain from sensitive political statement.
And I don't care you hate Japan or not, but please stop calling us contempt term like "japs".

Here is an international forum, we must keep rules and mutual respect, isn't it? ;)


A jap demands for respect within such a thread?! Extrodinary!

" Jap " is not decently to addressed for all forumer here indeed

BE like as gentlemen :)

OMG this Japanese, Chinese love hate relationship.

Most young, educated Japanese are very apologetic about Koizumi's trips to the Yasukuni Shrine. So, it's pointless to blame them for Nanjing.

But the idiots (like the original poster) who deny the Nanjing Massacre or the Pleasure Woman issue? The same ones who blast right-wing messages from black vans at the Yasukuni Shrine? They're just hurting themselves. Well, they're making the other, apologetic Japanese look bad as well.

Don't hate the apologetic, educated Japanese. Don't hate the idiot Japanese either. But apply a good amount of pressure for history books to be corrected, using diplomatic and economic channels. China has that kind of power.

And if you go to the Yasukuni Shrine, do two things. Bow once for the innocent war dead honored there. Young Japanese men were fooled by their leaders into giving their lives for an unjust war. Then spit once for the war criminals also honored there. They are the evil people who conscripted "pleasure women," killed the civilians in Nanjing - and killed the young Japanese men who fought their war. Japan really has no business honoring the Japanese equivalent of Hitler, Himmler and Goethals in a national shrine.

Help the apologetic, young, educated Japanese cleanse their history and their monuments of this stain. Don't blame them, but put pressure on the right-wing fools. And above all, don't post messages like 'NUKE THEM AGAIN.' That just continues the cycle of hate.

If China nukes Tokyo, don't you think future Japanese will nuke Beijing back? It's stupid and pointless. Just make a s%itload of money together and learn to get along - after Japan cleanses its history and its monuments.

I think if Kozumi wants to visit the shrines of the war dead, that's his right. I mean, do we really know if he's there to honor the criminals or the millions of innocent soldiers who were merely victims of Japan's past megalomania.

The textbook thing is pretty repulsive because what they teach in schools does have a huge impact on the mindsets of the next generation. It's dangerous for these kids to be fooled into thinking that Japan was in the right during WWII because even though history is history, one must still learn lessons from mistakes made in the past.

What I find more disturbing is that crack the governor of Tokyo Prefecture made about all Chinese having criminal DNA. Now that's obnoxious, though many Chinese ex-pats have not been all that well behaved in Tokyo, its still pretty out there to label a whole (extremely numerous) group of people. I'm Chinese American, thus have plenty of Chinese blood flowing through my veins so I guess I'm particularly irked about this statement.

But I hold no resentments against the Japanese people in general, I like Japan, I like it's people, I like it's culture. I may not like certain parts of its history or certain politicians, but hey, history is history and officials are seldom representative of the people they officiate over.

The point is that all Europe would be raising hell if Gerhard Schoeder visited the German version of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier - that just happens to have Hitler and Goebbels and all of their Nazi buddies buried there.

The Yasukuni Shrine used to be exactly like the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Then, some nationalist got the idea of honoring Japan's 11 first-class war criminals executed by the US for crimes against humanity there.

You see why Koizumi's visit's inappropriate. The war criminals should be "honored" some other place. Then we can all pay our respects at Yasukuni without feeling like Nazi-worshippers.

Eh, the war shrines are a tricky topic. What does Koizumi have to say about his visits? Has he made any public comment on the issue?

Eh, the war shrines are a tricky topic. What does Koizumi have to say about his visits? Has he made any public comment on the issue?

Doesn't matter what he says. It matters what he does.

His visits don't help anyone. If it fuels anti-Japanese sentiment, it hurts the Japanese more than just about anything else he could do.

>Finally, I bet you guys want to see a war b/w mainland and Taiwan, or an independence of Taiwan. How evil is that.:evil:[/QUOTE]

Are you smoking drungs? Well, I am half Taiwanese. And it is not Japanese that want Taiwan to be independed. It is Taiwanese that want independence from China.

I wont be long before the word "Jap" gets into the SSC list of blacklisted terms if you guys dont stop using it this way. Just a small reminder about that, yeah?

Thanks guys.

I wont be long before the word "Jap" gets into the SSC list of blacklisted terms if you guys dont stop using it this way. Just a small reminder about that, yeah?

Thanks guys.

Way to go Mod!

Racism is alive and well in East Asia today. Starting with the Japanese idiots who buy their ultranationalist textbooks' message. These are the same idiots who say that Japan "industrialized" Korea and Taiwan, and that Japan occupied Korea for Koreans' benefit. Just like they tried to do Nanjing a favor by killing 200k people. God forbid they ever mention the Pleasure Women issue.

Not to mention the Chinese idiots who start yelling "Kill all Japs!" at a soccer match. Many Japanese are not ultranationalistic idiots. Just like the relatively small proportion of Chinese that are idiots.

Finally, throw in a small number of Korean idiots into the mix.

All three countries should take their ultranationalists, give them baseball bats, and lock them all together in some huge stadium. Let the idiots kill off the other idiots so the sane people in China, Korea and Japan can finally stop mistrusting each other.

Apologies for the angry post, but I just got through reading some pretty messed-up posts here and elsewhere. I'm quite disappointed with the East Asians right now, actually.

w00t, no hate from Hong Kong and Singapore!

Well, I am not too sure about HK Chinese, but Singaporean Chinese, especially the older generation, are more then aware, if not even personally experience, the turmoil of the war. My own grandmother, who passed away last month, fled to Singapore as the Japanese forces invaded China.

Younger generations of Singaporeans continue to be taught about the atrocities of war, in their full grime and glory. That, of coz, includes this particular tragedy in Nanjing.

But you dont find Singaporeans in general shunning away from J-pop or Hello Kitty. They dont avoid buying Sony or Toyota. Nor do they rain water bottles at the Japanese soccer team when they came to play here a few months ago. In fact, the local S-league has a soccer club setup, financed, and represented by the Chinese nationals here, as well as another one by the Japanese.

Interestingly, thou, it also does not stop my father from cursing the Japanese and making sweeping negative comments about them at strategic moments. I even grew up with a generally negative view of the Japanese, having been "indoctrinated" by my parents, and seeing their comments somehow justified by what is read in academia. The Japanese seem to be portrayed as the bad guys, since their invasion of Singapore continues to be used as part of governmental "national education" in demonstrating to us the fallacies of being conplacent, and being militarily and psycologically unprepared from external threats.

This is just a gist of things, but I hope you guys realise its much more complex then just a case of whether we "hate" them or not. Its just too difficult a question to answer, and I am in no way representative of the majority here.

How about the situation in Hong Kong?

All said, of coz, it still does not justify using derogatory terms like "Jap" in any circumstance. It speaks quite lowly of ourselves, I would say, and I suppose others will therefore find justifications to call us "Chinks" in return?

We dont need that here, do we?

Sorry for the long "nag", but I just wanna share with you guys from what positionality I am speaking from? My apologies if I causes offence of any sort along the way.

Well, i hate japs, what can i say, saying that we are friends? (urhhhh, yuk!) never! a jap--> :bash: <--me

How open-minded. Reminds me of most of my liberal friends here in America.

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You guys have been warned. And manchuria, this is your one and final warning. One more time, and you are brigged.

Thanks.

huaiwei

oh my god, man~~ this aint cool

Well...its a warning, but you can of coz make amends if you are willing. I can be rather forgiving....but I do have long memories too, so dont push it too far.

huaiwei is actually one of the most benevelent moderators I've ever seen. Most moderators won't even put up with most of the troublemakers around here.

Way to go Mod!

Racism is alive and well in East Asia today. Starting with the Japanese idiots who buy their ultranationalist textbooks' message. These are the same idiots who say that Japan "industrialized" Korea and Taiwan, and that Japan occupied Korea for Koreans' benefit. Just like they tried to do Nanjing a favor by killing 200k people. God forbid they ever mention the Pleasure Women issue.

Not to mention the Chinese idiots who start yelling "Kill all Japs!" at a soccer match. Many Japanese are not ultranationalistic idiots. Just like the relatively small proportion of Chinese that are idiots.

Finally, throw in a small number of Korean idiots into the mix.

All three countries should take their ultranationalists, give them baseball bats, and lock them all together in some huge stadium. Let the idiots kill off the other idiots so the sane people in China, Korea and Japan can finally stop mistrusting each other.

Apologies for the angry post, but I just got through reading some pretty messed-up posts here and elsewhere. I'm quite disappointed with the East Asians right now, actually.
While I, too, wish to live in a peaceful world where everyone loves, or at least is capable of tolerating, each other, I don't believe we should all be obligated or forced to.

Everyone have their own personal experiences and encounters with other people, that's why we all have our own opinions. If someone witnessed the Nanjing Massacre or was forced to serve as a comfort women by the Japanese, do you honestly expect them to simply forgive and forget and embrace them?

To be more specific, my personal belief has always been to majority of the current Japanese generation should not be blamed for something their ancestors did, unless they for some reason support it. The Japanese government, on the other hand, should at least acknowledge what they did during WWII to their Asian neighbors and stop whitewashing their history. Where is the honor in lying and cheating? Chinese and Korean shouldn't expect the Japanese government to apologize or give them any money because there would be no way for anyone who wasn't involved in the warcrimes to be sincere when they apologize anyway, and no amount of money would ever be able to make up for those crimes.

jesus, wats wrong with racism!
i just wanna be racism to japs, so wat??

i mean, if i hate them, why do u have to persuade me to be friend with them, i believe theres no reason for that.

even koreans call japs as "jjok-bar-i"

huaiwei what's up with the troll! ;)

w00t, no hate from Hong Kong and Singapore!
What do u mean by no hate from HK?
Many of us hate Japanese!~! :bash:

Why is this political thread in Taiwan section?

Please relocate this thread to China section.

If you have no business in contributing picture posting for Taiwan. Please leave this section. This has gone too far!

huaiwei what's up with the troll! ;)
Arrgghh......fine. I have given a final of a final warning, and he hardly appears repentent to me with that latest post. I shall now hand him over to you, RM. Do with you please with him, and thanks for assisting! ;)

no way he's all yours......now if he goes in to the world forum let me know! ;) :runaway:

now if you are telling me to brig or ban him at your request no problem! :D

geez but i don't remember that there is a NANKING in taiwan.. i mean there's a nanking east road in taipei.. but there ain't never had any massacar.. so.. put this back in ur chinese board, and let's not worry about how the japs killed the chinese, let's worry more about how the chinese r gonna kill us taiwanese if they ever invade us. i mean i can't understand how the chinese r still whinning at this day about how their crowdly populated nation got hammered by a little island nation like japan... i'd be really ashamed if i was chinese, it's not like they're unarmed like the jews! they can whine about being butchered and at the same time still threatening to blow taiwan outa water if we ever declare indepence, it's never a humane issue for u chinese is it? it's always about face...

Actually, someone started this thread in every subsection of the Zhonghua forums, including in here, and in the HK and Macau forums. Thank God the responses has been relatively civil thou. Or learn from the HKers....they totally ignored it with zero posts! :lol:

RM.....will keep you informed should I hv to do something about him. Thanks again! :D