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January 16th, 2011, 04:40 AM
Here, MOD, for you with love from a Non-Punjoo
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View Full Version : Punjabi Language and Culture p2p4 January 16th, 2011, 04:40 AM Here, MOD, for you with love from a Non-Punjoo Euromast January 16th, 2011, 09:21 AM MAMA, who will carry forward this thread now. I am very lazy and non cultural person, so donot expect anything from me. Arasu January 16th, 2011, 11:12 AM ^^ Atleast, put up a video recording of your Bhangra - the song & dance. Marathaman January 16th, 2011, 11:14 AM Non Punjoo? Arey bhai, all Indians have become spiritual Punjabis :lol: Euromast January 16th, 2011, 12:22 PM Personally I prefer Punjabi sufi songs yaar, yes after gulping whiskey, i like fast punjabi desi songs. ^^ Atleast, put up a video recording of your Bhangra - the song & dance. Euromast January 16th, 2011, 12:24 PM yes Punjabi rocks:-) ,Yea they like spirit:banana: Non Punjoo? Arey bhai, all Indians have become spiritual Punjabis :lol: AjayMB January 16th, 2011, 01:39 PM How similar is Punjabi to Hindi? p2p4 January 16th, 2011, 03:06 PM How similar is Punjabi to Hindi? Quite similar. But there are certain words which are quite different from Hindi. I know a bit of Pyabbi but I will leave Master of Disguise or some other Lion Hearted Pyabbi to give us lessons. Appaa(n) dildaar 1/2 Pyabbi p2p4 p2p4 January 16th, 2011, 03:09 PM Master of Disg. What do the following words mean Laa Phadd Inne Kinne Vekkhe Hun (hoon-a) Kedde Edde Kidda Khotteyaa Taddi Arasu January 16th, 2011, 03:57 PM Personally I prefer Punjabi sufi songs yaar, yes after gulping whiskey, i like fast punjabi desi songs. Let us first start with Sufi songs then. My personal preference would be for a Sufi song - the type I think I hear in an Indian store in NJ which is Punjabi owned. When you have had a peg or two, let us move on to desi. :banana: rosegunner January 16th, 2011, 05:05 PM qM3FjnpTsvY Euromast January 16th, 2011, 09:19 PM Sufi with deep meaning g743GxyJFlY 3V37zA_yOlM LxJUbMyDZyo hakbF6uijas After "Somras"" u can hear anything Hs6smscjA0M 2i11zdcdjEY t1i1Gnft8vY Let us first start with Sufi songs then. My personal preference would be for a Sufi song - the type I think I hear in an Indian store in NJ which is Punjabi owned. When you have had a peg or two, let us move on to desi. :banana: Euromast January 16th, 2011, 09:25 PM MAMA. Master of Disg. What do the following words mean Laa = It is ley in hindi Phadd=pakad Inne=this much=itney=isney Kinne=how much=kitney=kisney Vekkhe=have seen=dekhey hain Hun (hoon-a)=now=ab Kedde=how big=kitney badey=kiskey Edde=this big=itney badey=iskey Kidda=kitna bada=how big=kiska Khotteyaa=gadha=donkey Taddi=show off mihir1310 January 16th, 2011, 10:18 PM I think a Punjabi culture thread must be more than Punjabi Videos thread. Let us here something more about various dialects, rites festivals that are unique to the state. Please let us know about the history. rosegunner January 17th, 2011, 01:29 AM Greatest Punjabi poet ever. MOKB60jg48Q ChennaiIndian January 17th, 2011, 03:02 AM Cross-posting from the other thread. Oye bollywood dekhle...mast punjabi...but first people need to understand that Punjabi's are not only Sardars..!!! ehhhh True. Many of my friends had the following questions or thoughts especially before the last decade when India's economy was growing steadily and people were freely moving across the country in search of jobs. 1. Why is Robin Singh not wearing a turban? :lol: 2. If Dharmendra is a Punjabi, where is his turban and why is he not having a turban on his head? :lol: 3. All Indian Punjabis are Sikhs and all Pak Punjabis are Muslims. :lol: Things have changed for the most part. However, the steretype image is the same like how a Tamilian is represented in the Bollywood and in those comedy serials on DD in the 90s - with the 3 horizontal stripes on his forehead and mostly bald. :lol::lol: ChennaiIndian January 17th, 2011, 03:09 AM Cross-posting from the other thread. Oye bollywood dekhle...mast punjabi...but first people need to understand that Punjabi's are not only Sardars..!!! ehhhh True. Many of my friends had the following questions or thoughts, especially before the last decade when India's economy was growing steadily and people were freely moving across the country in search of jobs. 1. Why are Robin Singh and Yuvraj Singh not wearing a turban? :lol: 2. If Dharmendra is a Punjabi, where is his turban and why is he not having 'Singh' in any part of his name? :lol: 3. All Indian Punjabis are Sikhs and all Pak Punjabis are Muslims. :lol: 4. Punjab means wheat and tractors (remember the Mile Sur song on DD!!) :lol: 5. People recollect that there is a city called Chandigarh only the following occasions - when a cricket match is played in Mohali, when surveys say that Chandigarh is the cleanest and wealthiest city in India and when some question is asked in the GK exam as to what is the capital of Punjab. :lol::lol: 6. In almost every Tamil movie that wants to depict a northie, either a Punjabi with a turban or a Marwari with a Nehru cap will be shown. Otherwise, people won't recognize or acknowledge that. :lol::lol::lol: 7. Most Indian army soldiers are Punjabis - this is true. :cheers::cheers: Things have changed for the most part. However, the steretype image is the same like how a Tamilian is represented in the Bollywood and in those comedy serials on DD in the 90s - with the 3 horizontal stripes on his forehead and mostly bald. :lol::lol: p2p4 January 17th, 2011, 06:52 AM Chennai - stereotypes exist everywhere.. not only in India. We Maharashtrians are popularly shown as Ghaatis (hill-billies) or typically a woman wearing 9-yard sari doing household chores in a TV serial or Hindi movie. Why only Hindi movies? In the south, Maharashtrians are often referred to as Marathas instead of Marathi/Maharashtrians. Also, we are often referred often with a smirk as "you Marathas" as if we looted the south ! :lol: (Maharashtrian - is, in my opinion, an anglicised bastardisation of reference to people of Maharashtra). Back to the Punjoos here. Apart from the Bhangda, Gidda, what other FOLK Musical forms exist in Punjabi culture? Going back to Chennai's questions, what EXACTLY is the deal with Punjabi Hindu boys becoming Sikhs ? Sikhs are largely jats and maraasis and Nihankaaris only? Or are there other sub-sects? Are Nirankari Sikhs vegies? Also why do they wear white turbans? What's the deal with JATS ! Jats are found in Punjab (Sikhs), Rajasthan and Haryana. How different are they ? Last but not the least - Is tandoor naan cooked in every Pyabbi houj-hold? :P (pun intended):banana: Ahh balle:banana: Ahh balle:banana: Ahh balle :banana:Ahh balle :banana: Euromast January 17th, 2011, 07:11 AM Oh my God, u people suck,so many questions Anshul January 17th, 2011, 11:27 AM oh my god all sufi songs are good! especially mae ni mae ChennaiIndian January 17th, 2011, 03:54 PM Chennai - stereotypes exist everywhere.. not only in India. We Maharashtrians are popularly shown as Ghaatis (hill-billies) or typically a woman wearing 9-yard sari doing household chores in a TV serial or Hindi movie. Why only Hindi movies? In the south, Maharashtrians are often referred to as Marathas instead of Marathi/Maharashtrians. Also, we are often referred often with a smirk as "you Marathas" as if we looted the south ! :lol: (Maharashtrian - is, in my opinion, an anglicised bastardisation of reference to people of Maharashtra). Back to the Punjoos here. Apart from the Bhangda, Gidda, what other FOLK Musical forms exist in Punjabi culture? Going back to Chennai's questions, what EXACTLY is the deal with Punjabi Hindu boys becoming Sikhs ? Sikhs are largely jats and maraasis and Nihankaaris only? Or are there other sub-sects? Are Nirankari Sikhs vegies? Also why do they wear white turbans? What's the deal with JATS ! Jats are found in Punjab (Sikhs), Rajasthan and Haryana. How different are they ? Last but not the least - Is tandoor naan cooked in every Pyabbi houj-hold? :P (pun intended):banana: Ahh balle:banana: Ahh balle:banana: Ahh balle :banana:Ahh balle :banana: Yeah, Hindi entertainment media shows Maharashtrians like that but why as household workers? Regarding the 'Marathas' stereotype, I can tell you that Tamil people call you as 'Maratis' or 'Marathis' and not 'Marathas'. I don't know about other southern states in this regard. Master of Disguise January 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM Here, MOD, for you with love from a Non-Punjoo :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: Punjabia te thaat vakhre.... p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 03:17 AM :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: Punjabia te thaat vakhre.... Inna mattlabb kee haa? (Thaat Vakhre) ChennaiIndian January 18th, 2011, 04:45 AM In my experience of interacting with people from various parts of India, I have learnt the 'English accent' across states. I can recognize Tamil, Telugu, Mallu (the easiest of all), to some extent Kannada, east India (Bihar, Bengal), GJ and Rajasthan (they don't use 'sha' and say 'sa') and finally Punjab English. This Punjabi English accent uses 'u' at the end of the words just like Telugu but sounds different. p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 05:10 AM I This Punjabi English accent uses 'u' at the end of the words just like Telugu but sounds different. It's more of 'uhh' than u (oo) unless u're talking of tennu, mennu, ennu, sannu Pyabbis have a distinct way of marauding Anglican names like George - George-uh Patrick - Patrick-uh David - David-uh Even pyabbi names don't escape the uh sync Manpreet = Man-preet-uh Gurpreetuh Surjituh Hardeepuh If the names end in the vowel / sound ee/eey then the inflection stress is on the mid nasal spelling like Mandy = MaNNNdeee Brandy = BraNNDee Sandy = Sanndy Pinky = Pinggg-kee Garry = Garr-eee even words like and / sand / brand / end up with the typical pyabbi 'uh' MOD / Euro Why is it that Sikhs are more honest than Hindu Punjabis? p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 05:12 AM Love it when Pyabbis say "aam-uh Andian and-joo are.. ? " p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 05:14 AM Hehehe.. we can exchange notes on various accents Chennai. My hobby is to learn linguistic accents. And I love the way the Kannadigas speak english. In my experience of interacting with people from various parts of India, I have learnt the 'English accent' across states. I can recognize Tamil, Telugu, Mallu (the easiest of all), to some extent Kannada, east India (Bihar, Bengal), GJ and Rajasthan (they don't use 'sha' and say 'sa') and finally Punjab English. This Punjabi English accent uses 'u' at the end of the words just like Telugu but sounds different. ChennaiIndian January 18th, 2011, 06:28 AM ^^ I have seen that people from various parts of India have a neutral accent if they have learnt to speak in English systematically i.e. from their childhood with good teaching in schools on this. Otherwise, they have local accent. Anshul January 18th, 2011, 06:38 AM Inna mattlabb kee haa? (Thaat Vakhre) Euro's Mamaji, I can help u here. Thaat= hindi waale thaat Vakhre= alag Matlab Punjabiyon ke thaat hi alag hai! this reminds me of the song:: "Punjabiyaan di shaan vakhri" p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 03:27 PM Taddi Mein !!! Jyaada Thaat na dikha veh ! Keii Theta na bahaar aa jaai Euro's Mamaji, I can help u here. Thaat= hindi waale thaat Vakhre= alag Matlab Punjabiyon ke thaat hi alag hai! this reminds me of the song:: "Punjabiyaan di shaan vakhri" Euromast January 18th, 2011, 03:37 PM MAMA, complete the sentence..Taddi Mein !!!............ Jyaada Thaat na dikha veh ! Keii Theta na bahaar aa jaai Anshul January 18th, 2011, 03:45 PM Taddi Mein !!! Jyaada Thaat na dikha veh ! Keii Theta na bahaar aa jaai oye hoye mamaji . cool it. ki gall karde ho tussi. Mujhe non-punjoo ke upar gussa na karo. aiwei theta te alpha di gall karde ho. Dekho khamakha babaji ko excite kar diya sentence completion ke liye. p2p4 January 18th, 2011, 05:36 PM Anshool-uh.. wett tillatumaaro.. eh-vil put uppa youtoob-uh aaf pyabbis mimickry oye hoye mamaji . cool it. ki gall karde ho tussi. Mujhe non-punjoo ke upar gussa na karo. aiwei theta te alpha di gall karde ho. Dekho khamakha babaji ko excite kar diya sentence completion ke liye. Marathaman January 18th, 2011, 06:42 PM This has become like Chaibar so I think the best place for it is Chaibar. Arasu's thread is a serious one and deserves to stay here. Euromast January 18th, 2011, 06:48 PM I will answer CI & Patil MAMA's questions this weekend. I am not in mood to answer right now. ChennaiIndian January 18th, 2011, 06:54 PM This has become like Chaibar so I think the best place for it is Chaibar. Arasu's thread is a serious one and deserves to stay here. Knowledge exchange happens thro communication. In forums, this is how conversations start and go thro. Arasu's thread is for learning a language and not for exchanging information. Anshul January 19th, 2011, 01:25 PM i ve actually started liking Londono patola ek...I like it more if I don't watch the video. Euromast January 19th, 2011, 03:16 PM It is very old 1993 video, but I like the beats and Desi lyrics. Anshul January 19th, 2011, 05:48 PM aye^^ Anshul January 23rd, 2011, 09:32 AM uuCFRaFWjwY arrey koi mujhe in lines ka matlab batao. What is he trying to say: Kaaliyaan baariyan we gaddiyan nu mein lawa Ni gaddi sang bedhja ni jattiye, Ni durr tenu leja we addiye, Euromast January 23rd, 2011, 01:32 PM I Put black windows on the car, Sit in the car "Jattiye" Take u far away Anshul January 23rd, 2011, 01:40 PM What is addiye? and "jattiye" stands for a jat? Is this a general term for people from Punjab? Pak+Indian? Clarify. (No offenses intended to anyone, pls) Euromast January 23rd, 2011, 01:44 PM Jattiye=female(jat woman), Jat=Male (jat man). Applicable to both indo/pak jat community. Addiye-- a way to say "friend" "saheli" \female mate. Mostly used in conversation between two women to call each other Anshul January 23rd, 2011, 01:49 PM Why is Emraan using it then? :lol: I think you or somebody said in some thread that 'ni' is used by / for women? Euromast January 23rd, 2011, 01:51 PM I did not say that. Well it can be said by a man also to his lover.But mostly i heard it beween females while growing up Anshul January 23rd, 2011, 01:52 PM Alright, thanks for the info!! Anshul January 26th, 2011, 03:09 PM arrey bhailog! yaar, m kinda becoming despo to learn Punjaabi now!! ;) Important hai!! acchhe se sikhao . Euromast January 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM u r not punjabi. why u want to learn it MeMumbaikar January 26th, 2011, 04:03 PM i want to be changa Marathaman January 26th, 2011, 04:15 PM Punjabi along with Hindi/Urdu is a descendant of Sauraseni, which was a very important language in medieval northern India. Many important religious documents (particularly of the Jain religion), also important dramatic texts were written in the language. Punjabi itself became a separate language after the 12th century. Initially it was transmitted orally, but literature developed after the rise of Sikhism and the Sufi order. Bombay Boy January 26th, 2011, 04:54 PM punjab - the 'sexiest' region in the indian subcon (in more ways than one) Euromast January 26th, 2011, 04:59 PM 111Cross-posting from the other thread. See answer below in BOLD True. Many of my friends had the following questions or thoughts, especially before the last decade when India's economy was growing steadily and people were freely moving across the country in search of jobs. 1. Why are Robin Singh and Yuvraj Singh not wearing a turban? :lol: Robin singh is not Punjabi. Before sikh religion, all were hindus and Singh is surname/middle name of the rajput/jat communities of north India.So if somebody has singh somewhere in his name, it does not mean that he is punjabi or sikh. But if someone is ethnic Punjabi and he has singh somewhere in his name then it means:- a) He is a sikh. If he has long hair,a untrimmed long beard and turban, then is "keshdhari" sikh. If wear "Kirpaan" also then he is Amritdhari sikh( no alcohol and meat ). Main Sikh communities of Punjab--a1) Jat Sikh:- Most dominant politically and influence, Traditionally kings, Landlords,Army,police,sports,beaurocrats, with new economy businessmen and real estate agents also. Mostly found in Punjab region and abroad Apart from being Keshdhari/amritdhari, some of these donot keep long hair,beard and turban e.g. Dharmender/Yuvraj. Some wear turband and trim the beard.This community rarely use some sticking agent to their beard like some other sikh communities. This community is the Millitant face of sikh religion.Some of them use only singh as surname and some use singh as middle name. Most common family names are Sidhu,sandhu,Dhillon,Brar,Gill,Mann,Deol,Cheema,Grewal etc. Jat communities of same surnames residing in Haryana are Hindus as well as Sikhs and in Pakistan they are muslims.Rural landscape is dominated by these communties.These are face of the rough/rusty Punjab a2) "Papa" Sikh:-The business class Sikh communtiy of Punjab.Mostly found in city/town environment.Dominate the business envrionment, educated and traders. Donot keep open beard and use of sticky agent to keep beard tidy.Donot trim beard and always keep long hair and wear turban. Found motsly all over India, especially in Delhi and big cities and Punjab. Most of them have origin in Pakistani Punjab.They always have Singh as middle name.Common surnames:-Walia,Bhatia,Arora,Sawhney etc. a3)Mazhabi Sikhs:- Low caste Hindu converts to Sikhism a4) Chamar Sikhs "Ravidasia":- Low caste "Chamar" sikhs, Guru Ravi Das is very important for them The 60% of ethnic punjabis living in Punjab are sikhs an rest are Hindus. Hindu Punjabis:- Brahmin class-Sharma,Bhanot, etc. Hindu Khatri(Kshatriya):-Khanna, Chopra,Arora,Sawhney. Some of them have common surnames with "PAPA sikh" community.Mostly immigrants from Pakistani Punjab in 1947.Mostly found in Urban centers and Delhi area Baniya Class:- Gupta, aagarwal,Jindal,Mittal etc. SC:- 2. If Dharmendra is a Punjabi, where is his turban and why is he not having 'Singh' in any part of his name? :lol: 3. All Indian Punjabis are Sikhs and all Pak Punjabis are Muslims. :lol: 4. Punjab means wheat and tractors (remember the Mile Sur song on DD!!) :lol: 5. People recollect that there is a city called Chandigarh only the following occasions - when a cricket match is played in Mohali, when surveys say that Chandigarh is the cleanest and wealthiest city in India and when some question is asked in the GK exam as to what is the capital of Punjab. :lol::lol: 6. In almost every Tamil movie that wants to depict a northie, either a Punjabi with a turban or a Marwari with a Nehru cap will be shown. Otherwise, people won't recognize or acknowledge that. :lol::lol::lol: 7. Most Indian army soldiers are Punjabis - this is true. :cheers::cheers: Things have changed for the most part. However, the steretype image is the same like how a Tamilian is represented in the Bollywood and in those comedy serials on DD in the 90s - with the 3 horizontal stripes on his forehead and mostly bald. :lol::lol: Euromast January 26th, 2011, 05:11 PM There is Rajput community also in Punjab. They are both sikh and hindus and in Pakistani Punjab they are Muslims. Anshul January 26th, 2011, 05:43 PM u r not punjabi. why u want to learn it Kya batu aapse kya chhupana. 1 kudi de gaarwaalo ko pataane hai. Kudi Pujaabi hai. Kudi te line dendi aa.sab kuch fit lag raha hai!!:banana: Euromast January 26th, 2011, 05:47 PM Pehley foto dikha mujhe, phir I will help u Anshul January 26th, 2011, 05:52 PM lo ji abhi fotu lene waali stage nai aayi hai. Khamakha babaji. tussi toh mera nature jaande ho. kitna sharmila hu. pure 5 yrs baad kisi relation mein jaane ka dil kar raha hai. .... ap bus na mujhe madad karo. foto shoto na maine baad me dikha dena hai. abhi kuch nai.. Euromast January 26th, 2011, 05:59 PM Kya madad karoo main ? How can I help u? Anshul January 26th, 2011, 06:04 PM baki sub toh main dheere dheere samhaal lunga.. app toh mujhe thoda punjaabi touch de do.. like thodi thodi punjaabi..sikha do. Main unko bhi bolugna sikhaane ko. at least kudi aur uncle aunty se baat karne ka topic toh ho. Woh log naye hain.. Achi baat- Vegetarian hain!! mujhe toh future bhi dikh raha hai.. oooohhhh Euromast January 26th, 2011, 06:10 PM Ok, Pooch ley phir jo poochna nahi. uska family name kya hai, then I can tell u her family history and their nature Arasu January 26th, 2011, 06:14 PM Kya madad karoo main ? How can I help u? Euroji, You were looking for business opportunities in India sometime back? Looks like you have found your calling. :banana::lol: Anshul January 26th, 2011, 06:21 PM Arrey they are from Batala. Sharmas. I admit it here that part of my choice was because of their surname... u know Brahmans... so..zyaada problem nahi honi chahiye in both the families. Girl is very introvert, and so am I. I mean they shifted two months back and they are they smtimes visit our place.... and she also visited. she looked very innocent... we also talk. Like we talk general things.. education.. career and all..But I have never talked bout anything of 'that' sort Anshul January 26th, 2011, 06:23 PM I think I am over excited. May be there is nothing. But it has to start somehw isn't it? Euromast January 26th, 2011, 06:32 PM deleted Euromast January 26th, 2011, 06:35 PM Arasu, I hope so. I will get something out of it!! Euroji, You were looking for business opportunities in India sometime back? Looks like you have found your calling. :banana::lol: Euromast January 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM Haan haan Kyo nahi. Ek love story to honi chahiye life main. I think I am over excited. May be there is nothing. But it has to start somehw isn't it? Euromast January 26th, 2011, 06:37 PM Donot get overexcited and stare and wrong things. never stare at wrong places, That is first lesson I think I am over excited. May be there is nothing. But it has to start somehw isn't it? Anshul January 26th, 2011, 07:01 PM ^^ okay. App kuch nature ki baat kar rahe the.. Anshul January 26th, 2011, 07:03 PM Arasu, I hope so. I will get something out of it!! Oh yes... a big hug from me!!:lovethem::hug: Arasu January 27th, 2011, 03:56 PM Oh yes... a big hug from me!!:lovethem::hug: Both of you guys should watch a recent Tamil movie "Manmadhan Ambu" starring Kamalahasan. Kamal as the detective works for Madhavan to watch over his fiance Trisha when she is on a shoot in Europe without her knowledge. You guys will be interested to find out what happens finally - particularly Anshul - knowing fully well about your master the masti Euro. :lol: Master of Disguise January 28th, 2011, 04:57 AM ^^ hehe |