Yujiapu CBD project has been going on for years now, finally it's coming above ground level. It's across the river from the Xiangluowan business district (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1144467). The project contains at least 5 supertalls, including one over 600m high, and also includes a transportation hub including high speed rail station.

Phase 1 map:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/others3/110111172181dcd7fa435e9f15.jpg

Phase 2 map:

http://i.imgur.com/KaZDe.jpg

Aerial pics (it's in the middle of the peninsula):

http://i.imgur.com/0W8HX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p9Lae.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4sjjq.jpg

As you can see it's across the river from the more-completed Xiangluowan Business District, and it's a huge area.

Construction pics (January 19, 2011):

http://i.imgur.com/7czr6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oLXQS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PR8UL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/la2oS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UXrBY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wkmlh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/N9eJu.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/hSK6D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Baxi9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/B1bzt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DmhyL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zeo4n.jpg

video of Yujiapu Business District:

hNhWLR-vU9M

Holy Moly that is alot of cranes. Tianjin is definately a up and coming city now.

WOW it's like there's almost a whole city UC lolo.

Very nice to see such a progress there in Tianjin!

Yujiabao/Yujiapu Business District

Individual Thread List

TIANJIN | Yujiapu Financial Area Supertall | 500m | 1640ft (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=745900&highlight=yujiapu)

TIANJIN | Yujiabao 03-06 Plot Project - Liqin Hotel | 211m (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1297529&highlight=yujiapu)

TIANJIN | Yujiabao 03-22 Plot Project - Shenglong IFC | 225m | 52 fl (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1297531&highlight=yujiapu)

TIANJIN | Yujiabao 03-08 Plot Project - Yujiabao Administrative Services Center | 298m | 60 fl (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1297535&highlight=yujiapu)

TIANJIN | Yujiabao 03-16 Plot Project - Shangbang Leasing Tower | 246m | 54 fl (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1297533&highlight=yujiapu)

TIANJIN | Powerlong Center | 289m | 59 fl | Prep (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1180055&highlight=yujiapu)

More to come when other phases begin..

More information from Z0rg:

Current proposed render

Note: Some individual towers might subject to changes later on as phrases move on

SOM design Tianjin's new CBD

Conceived as a new, self-sustaining city, financial hub and regional centre, the Tianjin Binhai New Area CBD Urban Plan sets out to provide China with a new model for progressive, large-scale urban development.

The plan draws its energy from the city’s geographic proximity to the Beijing-Tianjin metropolitan area, broad access to transportation networks, and China’s decision to develop it - and its environs - into an economic engine that will serve the development of the Bohai Region, thus sharing similar strategic importance with Shenzhen in the Pearl River Delta and Pudong-Shanghai in the Yangtze River Delta.

The city’s urban design framework embraces physical, social and ecological sustainable development principles and focuses on creating pedestrian-orientated city spaces, diversified land uses, ample public amenities and a state-of-the-art transit network. By creating a new park system and introducing dense and distributed housing, business and cultural infrastructures, the plan sows a fertile landscape that will build new links between local and global financial, environmental, communication, and educational resource markets.

The 25.8 sq km plan was prepared in phases, initially as a regional planning framework addressing critical issues of access, land use and density distribution. At the heart of the new city, the Yujiapu Central Business District is designed in more detail with special attention to urban form, sustainable infrastructure systems, and the establishment of a continuous riverfront park system. Urban design guidelines - focused on landscape, streetscape, building massing and orientation - direct architectural design and development towards a common vision, yet offer flexibility for subsequent architects and designers to contribute to the ultimate image and character of the built environment.

Acting as catalysts for future development, phase 1 buildings and the high-speed rail station are currently under construction with occupancy expected by 2012. Full build-out of the CBD is expected by 2025.

http://worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=14620

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/14620_1_tanggu_aerial.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/14620_2_tanggu_hub1.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/14620_3_tanggu_riverfront.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/14620_4_tanggu_plan.jpg

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Ohhh my god!!! its amazing that proyect!!!!!

Keep on mind that they expect 5-10 supertalls there, and the tallest one is expected to bid for the title of China's tallest.

Tishman Speyer is known to be preparing a 300m+ twin tower project, expected to be released at any moment

One word comes to mind......... HUGE!!!!

by the looks of the first image in this thread the tallest tower could be 700m+!! comparing it to the 298m tower
possibly taller than india tower due to the massive spire

by the looks of the first image in this thread the tallest tower could be 700m+!! comparing it to the 298m tower
possibly taller than india tower due to the massive spire

I was thinking the same thing. This mega project will be fun to watch playout as time passes by.

1.30 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/P45JN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SRTom.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/o1I1G.jpg

^^better upload to tinypic.com or so

I reuploaded everything for this thread, Xiangluowan is a little bigger challenge though...

this is nice.

Looks like our Tianjin resident was removed from the forum, I hope we still get updates on Tianjin projects such as this one.

I reuploaded everything for this thread, Xiangluowan is a little bigger challenge though...

why was he banned?

why was he banned?

Damn it! Barbaric was a very good forumer, lots of knowledge...

Havent been here in a while but this project just looks fantastic!! WOW I remember seeing some renders a long time ago but it's nice that this project looks like its really going to happen.

Im shocked to see Barb is banned. Was a great poster and a good guy.

3.3 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/BZV5w.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/T5aNs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/irkOA.jpg

Impressive development. Some of the towers look pretty cool. :)

It is incredible how china's cities are rising. It is the awakening of a hyperpower.

3.30 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/e2ugt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L0hNK.jpg

^^ strange but interesting combination of bridges. and the buildings just look beautiful together

The bridge models aren't the actual designs, the one bridge they already built is just a normal drawbridge

4.1 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/p15kA.jpg

^^ the last bunch of photos look like they make it really high, with this massive spire wow :banana:

^^ The tallest building looks too 2D. its not finalised by the looks of it, which is good

^^ The tallest building looks too 2D. its not finalised by the looks of it, which is good

i hope the height however is, the tallest looks a lot taller than 400m, maybe even 500

4.2 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/8Xyn0.jpg

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4.24 bohaibbs.net

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Holy cow, this must be one of the biggest megaconstructions in China right now!

I think the other business district is bigger. Don't quote me on that, though.

no, this one is bigger (5-7 supertalls), but the other one is at a later stage of construction

supertalls growing like bamboo, i love you for that, china

:lol:^^Haha

4.25 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/yPNKy.jpg

4.30 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/GknYH.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/iI3G5.jpg

How many of these designs shown in the renderings are finalized? Should we expect design changes?

In the first pic of the first post, everything is the final design, other pics might show old designs though

5.3 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/DdFbq.jpg

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Jesus, this is just insane :D

nice little project

tianjin is like the new shanghai haha althought it must suck to live there now with all the construction

nice little project

Is actually a freaking huge project,building a new city.

5.7 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/lSuoj.jpg

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5.11 bohaibbs.net

240m:
http://i.imgur.com/nNMOR.jpg

120m:
http://i.imgur.com/pZJ2K.jpg

Tishman Speyer 300m twins:
http://i.imgur.com/0u12W.jpg

340m:
http://i.imgur.com/v3f0U.jpg

New map of Yujiapu showing project names, heights, and renders. Looks like we might have more than 10 supertalls:
http://i.imgur.com/KaZDe.jpg

the one next to the 340m one looks like 600m+ wow

edit, with paint i came to the conclusion that when 1-35 really is 340m, the spirebuilding next to it is on that render about 230% the size of that building, which would mean its over 750m. on the other hand they havnt mentioned the building and it may be only on that render or a possible place for a future supertall

^^ This is the plot of the Yujiapu landmark tower. It is not mentioned because most likely it still doesn't have final design or even height. But it will be the tallest of the district, most likely 500m+. We won't see it too quickly, though, since its located in the second phase of the project. Before it even start the construction all the towers rising now in the district will be probably complited.

It has its own thread here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=745900

^^
thank you for the information x) i like to see that even with over 10 supertalls under construction its only a first phase and even more will come afterwards.

^^ Actually all is now u/c there is "just" phase 1-A ;)

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/20090612_8eb1f40efed92a0e0867MnOfpP.jpg

I think the landmark tower will be in the phase 2.

HOLY SH*T!!!!!

Is actually a freaking huge project,building a new city.

No doubt was joking with you. Of course it's huge. I had no idea all this was going on. Impressive.

i came :cheers:

5.14 gaoloumi.com

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5.17 gaoloumi.com

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5.29 bohaibbs.net

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BEAUTIFUL!!! :cheers:

Fantastic pictures :) Man, this project is so huge it's hard to see the complete picture...

6.4 bohaibbs.net

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Is there other Great projects like Yujiapu and xianglou in planning ?
i know something about eco-singapore that should be huge,but as i understood most of it are lowrises,am right ?

^^ Indeed. But Singapore Eco-City is expected to host a landmark tower with an undetermined height. We don't expect a supertall though.

There's the TEDA MSD area too, where the Chow Tai Fook is being planned as the only relevant highrise there.

If you are also interested in non-tall stuff, Tianjin's coastline is growing the world's largest land reclamation projects. Several manmade peninsulas, more than 50km2 of land reclamation area.

There's also the monster Caofeidian project eastwards, but that's not Tianjin anymore but Hebei province. You also have the Huanghua port southwards, also beyond Tianjin borders. In any other country Huanghua's long term plan would be a first tier project, but in China it isn't very important.

6.12 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/licW4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gcewG.jpg

I sense that once these two CBDs are complete, the area surrounding it will be built up with appartment houses, just like shanghai

I sense that once these two CBDs are complete, the area surrounding it will be built up with appartment houses, just like shanghai

the question is if the CBD ever is complete. i can imagine once these project are risen others may start together with apartment houses.

I really hope they finish this because i really love the building with the bubbles on it and the train station looks out of this world

I really hope they finish this because i really love the building with the bubbles on it and the train station looks out of this world

after seeing the rates of the last years in tianjin and the fact that this is not the only new district booming, there is no doubt for me this is just the start of the boom

I really hope they finish this because i really love the building with the bubbles on it and the train station looks out of this world

Sino-steel is one of the best designed buildings in the world right now, IMO. I'm looking forward to that completing and visiting it soon.

6.24 bohaibbs.net

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7.4 bohaibbs.net

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Even when this is finished, they will have aloooooot of improvement to do with the surrounding areas.

The surroundings are actually one of Tianjin's best areas, of course the site itself isn't the cleanest, because it's a construction site (I visited today). Some other districts need major improvement, but they're working on it, there's many many more skyscrapers to come :)

more cranes than i can count

7.30 bohaibbs.net

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7.30 bohaibbs.net

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8.2 bohaibbs.net

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7.30 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/uqNe6.jpg

They build a whole city in one shot! :crazy:

8.5 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/rDfGI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Gcpv3.jpg

Do you ever sleep Barbaric?

They didn't mention the source for this render. You can see Tishman Speyer twins on the right, 2x300m, likely concept.
http://pic.gaoloumi.com/attachments/day_110810/1108100019dadc0d8a06804040.jpg

whats the tallest in the middle? any news on its height yet?

^^ Concept, long term. Probably it wont see the actual design till the very late 2010s. They all think that one will bid for the title of China's tallest.

hehe by this number of pictures this brings my Computer on his limit xD
Makes it realy slow.But realy impressive Project great to see so many workers.

What an absolute hive of activity, incredible scale too.

8.16 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/7V8Vt.jpg

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8.20 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/6N342.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/C3Zsj.jpg

welcome to crane city

more cranes than i can count

where did you learn to count?

8.26 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/aBRW6.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/bKJ2p.jpg

Yujiapu over time:

April 13, 2010:

http://i.imgur.com/oJ3Bf.jpg

May 3, 2011:

http://i.imgur.com/3Pjm5.jpg

August 26, 2011:

http://i.imgur.com/SmCWP.jpg

8.30 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/8AVmK.jpg

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^^
That's the 01-35 Plot. They expect a 340m project there, but no sources.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/another%20one/110511195714b3f203822aae1e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1rSAw.jpg

^^ And that's the 01-27 Plot. They expect 390m. Again no sources.
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/3/13/-67d0-9879-76ee390-7c73.jpg

Two unconfirmed supertalls that may be coming in a short term.

If they respect the current preliminary plans, Yujiapu area may get around 10 supertalls.

9.4 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/2NOMK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aCQ9E.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ka6vP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7ZUFM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MBLmW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aIVQg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J6inN.jpg

We should open a thread for every single tower and spam the skyscrapers and supertalls forums to death. :lol:

Whoever is conducting those amazing construction updates deserves a f**king medal or something. This whole Binhai area development thing is just beyond anything.

nice job !!

"popoeye", popo is german for butt, so i lolled :D

9.4 bohaibbs.net

http://i.imgur.com/J6inN.jpg

Lower left corner of the picture, I didn't know they have residential buildings in the area, this is a typical street facing apartment building with the first and second floor reserved for shops facing the street.

Yeah I love 2011.

The guy who does the update sure deserve something for taking photos in the middle of a construction site on purpose far away from city center. And Tianjin is like omfg!!!Im sure there are over hundreds of tower being built at the same time,and after they get done hundreds of companies out of nowhere will fill in all these office,thats really a f#cking wow!!! Tianjin reminds me of Shenzhen and Dubai. And also the landscape of this area with the river curve around a penisular makes it look like dockland in London,imo.Well done Tianjin!!!I think is only matter of time that Tianjin will exceed the economic size of Beijing and Shanghai by these kind of development,WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW

^^Though this project is huge and awesome, Tianjin will never exceed the size (in any matter) of Beijing or Shanghai. Even if the city grows together with Beijing, it wont be even close to the structural power of the Pearl River Delta and Yangtze River Delta.

By the way, I'm quite doubtful to this district as a whole. They're basically building a new city, and it won't work out when China's property bubble will burst sooner or later. It worked with Shenzhen, but Shenzhen started doing what Tianjin is doing now in the 70's...

I could totally see this area being completely abandoned in 40 years.

^^There's already a (small) city and a huge port nearby, and the area is connected to Tianjin main city by 3 expressways, a metro line, and soon high speed rail, so it's very unlikely to become a ghost town. In terms of project size there's a lot of projects even huger and in less convenient locations than this in the area, so they would fail first in a downturn. I see no sign of that happening, but you never know, it's hard to predict the future.

I could totally see this area being completely abandoned in 40 years.

Lol, are you kidding? With more than half a billion of rural people moving to the cities over the next couple of decades or so? Naaaaah. :)

The occupancy of these buildings is my most concern,cuz it looks crazy just by looking at the scale,is not like shenzhen and dubai, there were people already living in the area,but this is more like an entire new city that might be even bigger than the original Tianjin traditional center, Pudong's development was a gradual process, I wonder how did the Tianjin govt conduct on the feasibility survey to finally gave the go ahead for this project,and base on what they calculated such demand.

As refer to Divineator's concerns, my answer is that, I think the property price will go down in a matter of one or two years,and those ppl who couldnt afford to buy them would be able to buy them by then, just afew days ago, the news I heard from the cctv said the property price of central Beijing has already went down by like 10% or something like that, thats a good thing,cuz the high property price is reducing the middle class of China by taking most of their incomes away, that really wouldnt help the heating up consumption strategy of the central govt, and created a even more unfairly distributed society.

^^Though this project is huge and awesome, Tianjin will never exceed the size (in any matter) of Beijing or Shanghai.

Last year Tianjin's GDP per capita had exceeded that of Beijing.... By couple of hundreds RMB; but none the less. And if you factor in that fact that Tianjin's economy grows almost twice as fast as one in Beijing...


Even if the city grows together with Beijing, it wont be even close to the structural power of the Pearl River Delta and Yangtze River Delta.
We'll have to wait and see. Bohai Rim is fastest growing economic hub in China. And Tanggu's GDP (the area where this CBD is built) is by a large margin greater than that of Pudong.



By the way, I'm quite doubtful to this district as a whole. They're basically building a new city, and it won't work out when China's property bubble will burst sooner or later. It worked with Shenzhen, but Shenzhen started doing what Tianjin is doing now in the 70's...

I could totally see this area being completely abandoned in 40 years.
I can totally see that you don't have a clue about things you have urge to talk.

Binhai's skyrocketing development is crazy. You should check its evolution using Google Earth. Especially the monster manmade peninsulas, easily the world's largest and fastest land reclamation projects on going.

Binhai's skyrocketing development is crazy. You should check its evolution using Google Earth. Especially the monster manmade peninsulas, easily the world's largest and fastest land reclamation projects on going.

It could well be world's largest construction site.

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http://i.imgur.com/PyUaQ.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/PyUaQ.jpg

it'll grow to be a huge skyline:cheers:

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http://i.imgur.com/8v4h1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HuaKA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HuDvR.jpg

If you build it they will come!

http://i.imgur.com/RJImT.jpg

^^ wow

Nice design... :)

Not Yujiabao
Yujiapu instead

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what a big construction site. thats modernisation chinese style: tearing everything down and building a new city. great

Are the buildings pre-leased or sold? Or is this going to be another ghost town or see through city?

Are the buildings pre-leased or sold? Or is this going to be another ghost town or see through city?

I think you miss the idea of how such urban developments are done in China. Mind you, not everything is done in the same way as in your neighborhood.

Are the buildings pre-leased or sold? Or is this going to be another ghost town or see through city?

They are just building it for fun. Its going to be a HUGE paintball complex:bash:

what a big construction site. thats modernisation chinese style: tearing everything down and building a new city. great

Actually, they haven't torn anything down, Tianjin has huge space for development.

Are the buildings pre-leased or sold? Or is this going to be another ghost town or see through city?

Most buildings have some sort of owner or achor tenant, mostly banks and other financial service businesses.

This Yujiapu area is intended for finance, there are some special incentives from the local goverment for the businesses who operate in Yujiapu. So it should make the area attractive for businesses to move in.

The guy who does the update sure deserve something for taking photos in the middle of a construction site on purpose far away from city center. And Tianjin is like omfg!!!Im sure there are over hundreds of tower being built at the same time,and after they get done hundreds of companies out of nowhere will fill in all these office,thats really a f#cking wow!!! Tianjin reminds me of Shenzhen and Dubai. And also the landscape of this area with the river curve around a penisular makes it look like dockland in London,imo.Well done Tianjin!!!I think is only matter of time that Tianjin will exceed the economic size of Beijing and Shanghai by these kind of development,WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW

wow! that's really kind of you to say this ,especially as a guangdongnese, we all know tianjin and shenzhen are competing to eatch other for the NO4,
and tianjin is keep trying to catch up with shenzhen and guangzhou, but seems you are very happy to see the development of this chaster and opponent，you let us know the mature and rational of guangdongese,good for you!
we are all chinese right? so of course we should have competition in economic developing, but the reason why we compete is to promot all of us, competition is good for promotion ,but don't let it hurt, or cause some dispute between us , because that's not the purpose of developing,and that should not be the reason why we compare our hometown to other place ether.

let us learn from guangdong friend!:banana:

cant wait for china to build a tower taller than Burj Khalifa

They are just building it for fun. Its going to be a HUGE paintball complex:bash:

:lol:

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http://i.imgur.com/M7f4u.jpg

cant wait for china to build a tower taller than Burj Khalifa

I think the "Chinese" developers/investors are a bit more down to earth (think profit). :lol:

^^ But a new highest building can mean lots of profit. For example out of tourism. May not be profit for the tower itself but it can be for a city.

^^
Normally this "extra profit" isn't that high.
Normal people aren't so interested in skyscrapers, like we "nerds" are. :lol:

And a skyscraper built in this area/district is pretty meaningless as well.

Think Shanghai and JinMao

Kuala Lumpur and Petronas

Bank of China and Hong Kong

All meaningful locations and iconic because it defines the skyline

And a skyscraper built in this area/district is pretty meaningless as well.

Think Shanghai and JinMao

Kuala Lumpur and Petronas

Bank of China and Hong Kong

All meaningful locations and iconic because it defines the skyline

What a lot of Bullocks!

Especially ridiculous is mention of Jin Mao here... Yes it defines skyline... But wait what skyline

http://www.shanghailiving.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Shanghai1990.png
??

specially ridiculous is mention of Jin Mao here... Yes it defines skyline... But wait what skyline

....? The shanghai Skyline.

Although the bottle opener is the one that defines shanghai at the moment. Jin Mao has been overshadowed. And bottle opener will be overshadowed by shanghai tower.

Are the buildings pre-leased or sold? Or is this going to be another ghost town or see through city?

Look at the location and reconsider your question.

http://i.imgur.com/RJImT.jpg

Epic!

that very tall tower on the right could easily reach 700m. is that a real project?

Yep, it is very real alright - just not 700m a t the moment. It's Rose Rock International Finance Center. The thread is here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=745900

It probably will be 588m and here's most likely design they have chosen. But it's still in early stage so the design still may change I think.

http://i.imgur.com/WT8mT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FUFti.jpg

That's a nice design, much better than the 1 WTC look-a-like.

Yep, it is very real alright - just not 700m a t the moment. It's Rose Rock International Finance Center. The thread is here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=745900

It probably will be 588m and here's most likely design they have chosen. But it's still in early stage so the design still may change I think.



Ah, this one is it :). Many thx :)

....? The shanghai Skyline.

Although the bottle opener is the one that defines shanghai at the moment. Jin Mao has been overshadowed. And bottle opener will be overshadowed by shanghai tower.

Sorry, picture didn't show the first time around...
What I mean is people look at the state of the area today (particularly how it typically filmed) think of it as an empty field. But give it a time - Pudong also used to be an "empty field" just 20 years ago.

Besides Tangu isn't all that empty even now. And in 10_ or so years it may have all the fame of Pudong!

That's a nice design, much better than the 1 WTC look-a-like.

Absolutely, very innovative and could be a signature piece for this up and coming city, instead of emulating some1 else. I'm sure it will have some breath taking feature such as a suspended observation deck or sky restaurant to crown the piece.

http://i.imgur.com/RJImT.jpg

Are all of the designs really that boxy?

I thought what we are looking at now are monotonous simply because many architectural flourishes have not been placed on the tower skeletons yet. But by the look of the render, most of the buildings have nearly identical modern 70'sish design, none of which really stands out. Are these final renderings, or just place holders?

Are all of the designs really that boxy?

I thought what we are looking at now are monotonous simply because many architectural flourishes have not been placed on the tower skeletons yet. But by the look of the render, most of the buildings have nearly identical modern 70'sish design, none of which really stands out. Are these final renderings, or just place holders?

Well if they're mostly glass, they won't look 70's, they will be very modern.

i can't really agree. I am pretty sure it will look amazing in a few years and not too boxy at all.

And I say it will look awesome because it mostly WILL BE boxy. I hate skylines like for example moscow have where every tower is trying to be iconic landmark. The idea of landmarks is that they suppose to stand out from the crowd, and how they can do it if every tower is trying to be the icon? Most of the towers in the skyline has to look normal if we expect great results. Take the NYC: most of the towers are old boring boxes there and yet I believe it's one of the best (if not the best) skylines in the world. If all towers are "unique" and "outstanding" that only makes chaos and ruin the skyline.

Agreed, I like the American style dense boxy skylines, not really into a bunch of buildings with weird shapes (except ST).

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Yujiapu on May 7, 2011:

http://i.imgur.com/lv9Iy.jpg

Yujiapu on May 5, 2012:

http://i.imgur.com/00ut0.jpg

From the executive summary report on this project ...

The Financial District(YFD) is also expected to set up a new standard for the sustainable developement and construction of cities in Asia by adhering to the developement concept of green building and low-carbon city.

- http://eneken.ieej.or.jp/data/4277.pdf (Sept 30, 2011)

So is this the only example of a major scraper-dense district being built from scratch all at once?

i find north china 's tall buildings are more "boxy" than south china.

So is this the only example of a major scraper-dense district being built from scratch all at once?

Zhujiang New Town in Guangzhou.

Donno y but i feel proud of this project :banana:

So is this the only example of a major scraper-dense district being built from scratch all at once?

Qianhai in Shenzhen, it's actually much much bigger than Yujiapu but still at the beginning stages of construction

Zhujiang New Town in Guangzhou.
no, skyscrapers in Guangzhou New CBD are not built at the same time all at once. While some are already completed for years some are still years from T/O. In Tianjian it is like a real world sim-city

May 5

http://i.imgur.com/HF3fb.jpg

Looks good.

May 5

http://i.imgur.com/HF3fb.jpg

What building is this on the left side? It seems that this is a convention center or something? :)

It's a hotel.

It's a hotel.
What will be the height of this hotel? And are there any renders of it?

It's a hotel.

Nice. Thanks for the info. :cheers:

http://i.imgur.com/WGaMK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VnRyx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dTJig.jpg

Nice update, good to see them up close :)

http://i.imgur.com/VnRyx.jpg



Looks a lot like WTC when it was under construction, and it's freaking me out.

^^ It seems that some supertalls and skyscrapers of Yujiapu District are already topped off, the rest are under construction. :)

http://i.imgur.com/1gV1P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/19twK.jpg

^^ It seems that some supertalls and skyscrapers of Yujiapu District are already topped off, the rest are under construction. :)

that are no supertalls ^^

The tallest building currently topped out, the one on the far left, is 250m.

I really like that WTC-esque tower.

very big and well planned project, greetings from Kadıköy, Türkiye.
:applause:

Those Tianjiners, they've been up to something

This area needs cladding!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18831935

that are no supertalls ^^

Oops... :lol::nuts:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18831935

Citing the reporter:

Rising skywards, this is China, celebrating yet another skyscraper. Acres of them are built here on the coastal mud flat at Tianjin. They stand brand new and empty.

To do this Tianjin and dozens of cities like it have borrowed money billions upon billions, they are now deep in dept. If China's economy is slowing, that raises huge questions, would Tianjin ever fill these buildings? Would it make a profit? Or will China's dept drag it down?

^^ Well, of course they are empty, the whole area is not finished. Sometimes I doubt if journalist get the concept behind these huge construction area's. They build everything first and only then they open up the whole area at once.

Also, I doubt that Tianjin is in dept.

And then lastly, the economic slowdown is actually quite good for the normal people. If they kept the same growth level as a few years ago (around 11%) food prices would be skyrocketing. That's why the chinese government try to slow down the economy deliberately. This (partly) is the effect of that.

The journalists in BBC and similar Western media units are not used to the idea of mass construction. Their understanding is limited to their homecountries' ideas where construction of new infrastructure, housing and offices only takes place once demand has far exceeded the supply and the market has already sunk in suppressed demand phase.

China is pursuing a slightly different strategy. Planning ahead and making it ready when (or slightly before) the actual demand has taken place. Some might argue which ideology is better overall but pursuing the strategy that is used in small and developed Western countries would be a nonsense in China.

Even despite such grand planning China is struggling from under capacity where demand exceeds supply. Railways is the primary case here. Even despite the rapid expansion of high speed railways some areas are still lacking capacity to satisfy the demand. So those questioning the need of large projects and developments in a country of this size should shut up or at least try to understand the idea.

in august i have to take a train from beijing to chengdu and i really can see that demand is there when im planning and looking through available trains and the railroad lines

Citing the reporter:The way he gesticulates, the way he looks at the camera, the way he moves his mouth (bizarre) and most of all the way he pronounces the word "frenzy", make me think there's many a concept he's missing. And then it's true, some western media are more familiar with the idea of "mass destruction" than that of "mass construction".
P.s. it's deBt not dePt :)

http://i.imgur.com/a9Qgj.jpg

Anyone wanna update? It's September now.

http://i.imgur.com/7EBmn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2yTjT.jpg

245.9m

http://i.imgur.com/4FsHy.jpg

289m

http://i.imgur.com/GaY7Z.jpg

588m

http://i.imgur.com/MMm9Q.jpg

wow,stunning! a new city in the making!

Is this area the same as the Xiangluowan business district (Binhai New Area?)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1144467

^^it's across the river

http://i.imgur.com/fXTxY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UVDo6.jpg

jawdropping..
i hope it wont be just another ''ghost city''

http://i.imgur.com/LGjkH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/INwPK.jpg

jawdropping..
i hope it wont be just another ''ghost city''

It probably will after dusk since it's a CBD - no people outside of working hours. Empoloyees will only come there to work, not to hang out or socialize.

Nice development, but too many blocks... not very iconic. It still looks beautiful.

It probably will after dusk since it's a CBD - no people outside of working hours. Empoloyees will only come there to work, not to hang out or socialize.

Why don't they plan to integrate all aspects of life in the area, commercial, residential, shopping, entertainment, food?

^^They actually are. There will be residential, a transportation hub, hotels, and lots of retail including an underground mall. It will end up as lively as any other district of a Chinese city, or even more so because of the high density and mix of uses.

This is amazing! So many highrises under construction at the same time. Tianjin is booming like a Dubai. I bet there will be enough life in this area left after closing time of the offices, especially if this area gets a lot of residential towers and shoppingmalls. It can function as a new citycenter

http://i.imgur.com/GHnPv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XHqG0.jpg

Too many skeletons here... build the cladding already!

While looking at the pictures in this thread, some with the river shot raised my concerns.

I saw many what seems to be drain or sewer discharge outlet along the river bank. If waste water was being discharge into the river like that it would be horrible!!!

The main features of this city is not the towers but the river and water! It must be preserved in its natural beauty and clean it further more if possible. Hope this city will have modern underground tunnel for piping, cabling, waste discharge etc.

??

Is this some sort of troll?

^^They actually are. There will be residential, a transportation hub, hotels, and lots of retail including an underground mall. It will end up as lively as any other district of a Chinese city, or even more so because of the high density and mix of uses.

It's good that they have all this in mind. This area is going to turn out great.

While looking at the pictures in this thread, some with the river shot raised my concerns.

I saw many what seems to be drain or sewer discharge outlet along the river bank. If waste water was being discharge into the river like that it would be horrible!!!

The main features of this city is not the towers but the river and water! It must be preserved in its natural beauty and clean it further more if possible. Hope this city will have modern underground tunnel for piping, cabling, waste discharge etc.

I bet they have this stuff figured out. They have a clean slate to start everything from scratch and get everything installed.


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I've asked this before but forgot the answer...is the new high speed railway station supposed to be in this area? If so what is the name and where will it link to?

I've asked this before but forgot the answer...is the new high speed railway station supposed to be in this area? If so what is the name and where will it link to?

The HSR station is that oval in the right foreground of the first picture (http://i.imgur.com/GHnPv.jpg). It will be called Yujiapu station and will have service to Tianjin and Beijing South stations. It will enable people to make quick commutes from two huge cities.

The HSR station is that oval in the right foreground of the first picture (http://i.imgur.com/GHnPv.jpg). It will be called Yujiapu station and will have service to Tianjin and Beijing South stations. It will enable people to make quick commutes from two huge cities.

Thank you. I bet people could even commute from Tianjin Railway Station to Yujiapu Railway Station when it opens. Is it an underground station like Shenzhen Futian?

^^yes

Nice. :cheers:

Edit: I quote you before you post? must be a time warp. :lol:

^^Yes. And it will take 15 minutes to Tianjin, 45 minutes to Beijing South. Pretty impressive considering it took 3+ hours to Beijing just a few years ago.

^^Yes. And it will take 15 minutes to Tianjin, 45 minutes to Beijing South. Pretty impressive considering it took 3+ hours to Beijing just a few years ago.

Very impressive. This business district will be very well connected.

http://i.imgur.com/iJiyc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cIZUw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bDy6j.jpg

The same question for this district, what is the budget?

http://i.imgur.com/1txVM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/D3Np6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xWgT0.jpg

^^

Nice update. It looks like it will take a loooooong time to get people to start living and working in this area. If they can get some trees in this area that would be nice too.

^^ And that's the 01-27 Plot. They expect 390m. Again no sources.
http://pic.qnpic.com:83/r.jsp?fn=//fanjoin/share/2011/3/13/-67d0-9879-76ee390-7c73.jpg

Two unconfirmed supertalls that may be coming in a short term.

do we have a thread for this building?

Nice, formal skyline. As it should be.

@BarbaricManchurian

How developed/built-up is the area between Tianjin and Binhai CBD? Is there any chance it will become one city or is it more gonna be like two seperated cities connected with HSR and metro?

Look on Google Earth, there's relatively recent imagery. Currently the area between Tianjin city and Binhai New Area consists primarily of lot of villages and low-tech industrial parks but it is urbanizing extremely rapidly with lots of highrise residentials, universities, high-tech industry, retail (including IKEA), etc all being built. There is currently 1 metro line between Tianjin city and Binhai New Area, several expressways, HSR being built, and additional metro lines planned. I would say the gap should be fully urbanized within 10-15 years and the whole area should function as one city, it's happened between Guangzhou and Shenzhen, and Tianjin is about 15 years behind the PRD in terms of urban development (the amount, not the quality, thankfully :)) Some people even think that between Beijing and Tianjin can become urbanized but I don't see it happening.

^^
Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure how recent the Google Earth images are.
That really would be a megacity.

Can Tianjin ever reached 20 million if Binhai and Tianjin core merged?

I hopeful :o. It'll be awesome!

^^
you might aswell make that if a when ;)

Yes, Tianjin has very serious plans to expand to 25 million people. Already has expanded from about 10 to 15 million.

http://i.imgur.com/xygMbq2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OJQ0DDw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HKugk72.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bEv66Sm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/R57Ffdl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5wsHLOI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7ZK01PO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UJ5R75z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1CANPvY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Zn9maJ0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Sf4AlHU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TOJ9Byk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hw1STsW.jpg

I find that last picture is quite artistic. The lone man that walks through a forest of skyscrapers.

Indeed, that last picture is great. I'll give it a 9/10 as it appears in the urban photo contest :)

Time for the Giants rising up!:cheers:

All these new buildings look very well-built and sturdy. Is it because it is situated near an earthquake zone?

Nice ground shots! From what I can see it looks like a very pedestrian friendly area. Are they also building a subway system for the area?

Nice ground shots! From what I can see it looks like a very pedestrian friendly area. Are they also building a subway system for the area?
yes they are, they have just refilled parts of the ground with soil after finishing the construction:)

I find that last picture is quite artistic. The lone man that walks through a forest of skyscrapers.

Must be a weird feeling to walk through these unfinished towers. Especially with that weather.

60 Minutes has a video on the RE bubble in China, near the end of the video, about 9:45 into it, they discuss a project in Tianjin. From the video they appear to be this project. Can someone confirm?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50142079n

And take it for what it's worth, I'm not trying to troll. But I do think this is a valid bit of news to discuss on this forum.

Now I'll dive for cover. :lol:

^^
Well, of course this is an unbelievable huge project, but judging a project's success a decade before its completion is a little bit laughable. Nevertheless this is going to be the financial center of complete northern China (more inhabitants than all the U.S.). Besides that, there is not only investment by the Chinese...companies like Rockefeller or BankofAmerica have their stakes in Yujiapu/Xiangluowan.

We had some decades ago a similar discussion about Shanghai's Lujiazui/Pudong..."Why does a dirt-poor country like China need all those skyscrapers?! They're never going to be able to fill them!". Yeah, it took several years to fill them, but now we're talking about vacancy rates way below 10%. And China is just starting to open up its financial sector...up to now it's mostly a private party of Chinese financial firms (with some exceptions like HSBC or Citi).

Valid points cfredo. I just wonder what the economy will be in 5-10 years. Will these towers be finished by then? It looks bleak at the moment. While the Shanghai's and Tianjin may do well initially, if the other cities/ghost towns bring down the market, it could ripple to the stronger ones.

It will be an interesting to watch it play out.

Yeah, in such long-term projects there is of course a lot of uncertainty involved. With rapidly rising wages in China (especially at the coast) it would be way too expensive to start building it in 10 years or so. It's now or never (same applies to the infrastructure investments like the HSR).

60 Minutes has a video on the RE bubble in China, near the end of the video, about 9:45 into it, they discuss a project in Tianjin. From the video they appear to be this project. Can someone confirm?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50142079n

And take it for what it's worth, I'm not trying to troll. But I do think this is a valid bit of news to discuss on this forum.

Now I'll dive for cover. :lol:

:ohno: bad journalism at its finest. i like how they say that china has so many "unfinished" projects :lol:

:ohno: bad journalism at its finest. i like how they say that china has so many "unfinished" projects :lol:

I'd hardly call it bad journalism. Certainly there is a difference between a project built, under construction, proposed, etc. But I think they're correct when they say many are unfinished.

The question is will they be finished, and will they be financially successful for the developers and investors.

I'd hardly call it bad journalism. Certainly there is a difference between a project built, under construction, proposed, etc. But I think they're correct when they say many are unfinished.

The question is will they be finished, and will they be financially successful for the developers and investors.

That is just bad journalism. Those projects are in progress, in the process of being finished. Of course, any project in progress are not finished yet.

"Unfinished" give people the false impression that it is halted.

very nice.!!

Yeah, in such long-term projects there is of course a lot of uncertainty involved. With rapidly rising wages in China (especially at the coast) it would be way too expensive to start building it in 10 years or so. It's now or never (same applies to the infrastructure investments like the HSR).

And land prices. Wages rise, people bid up land, and the cost of aquiring right-of-way goes vertical.

Build it now while it's cheap!!! :cheers:

It is a bad journalism for this cbs 60min. It is full of bias, exaggeration, misguiding, and of course "china is doomed and collapsing", which is absolute politically correct in western media.

OK this is the same Zhengzhou east new district that this report labeled as "ghost town"
http://img14.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130302/20/66556108201302131957103346767254645_025.jpg

http://img14.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130302/20/66556108201302131957103346767254645_024.jpg

http://img14.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130302/20/66556108201302131957103346767254645_020.jpg

http://img13.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130213/23/66271358201302132340022096644922395_000.jpg

http://img13.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130213/23/66271358201302132340022096644922395_001.jpg

The real ghost towns that I've seen are some neighborhood in Detroit, in Trenton, NJ or LA. Did US media cover that like this?

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Exactly!
It's also interesting how reports about the ultimate Chinese "ghost town" Ordos are becoming very rare. What's the reason? Well, it isn't a ghost town anymore...sometimes it just needs some time to fill a new district.

A few days ago someone posted an current report about New South China Mall in Dongguan (world's largest mall, but abandoned) in the economy thread. Those reports about this mall are popping up every few months. Isn't it interesting how they always need to use that same mall for many years to demonstrate how worse the Chinese real estate bubble is? Looks like that they can't find new demonstration material. :lol:

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Exactly!
It's also interesting how reports about the ultimate Chinese "ghost town" Ordos are becoming very rare. What's the reason? Well, it isn't a ghost town anymore...sometimes it just needs some time to fill a new district.

A few days ago someone posted an current report about New South China Mall in Dongguan (world's largest mall, but abandoned) in the economy thread. Those reports about this mall are popping up every few months. Isn't it interesting how they always need to use that same mall for many years to demonstrate how worse the Chinese real estate bubble is? Looks like that they can't find new demonstration material. :lol:

It's an 'easy' target for Western media simply because no such large-scale developments have been taking place anywhere in the West (or even Russia) for at least 30-40 years now. China is doing rapid mass urbanization and is not building a block or two in one go but more like an entire city or a large city district. That makes perfect sense given the scale of China and its cities.

When you're building several million sq m of residential and commercial space in one go it will stay empty for a while because it is physically impossible to fill it in an instant. Those who criticize China's 'ghost towns' simply do not understand what urban development system China is undertaking and how it works. That merely shows that they either don't know what they're talking about or do so on purpose hoping that their viewers and listeners will not understand.

I bet there were reports back in the 80's about a 'ghost town' of Shenzhen being constructed near Hong Kong? :|

Yes, it is exaggeration at its worst. But even the chinese government argees on the fact that property prizes has gone a bit too far. So cooling down the market a bit seems fair enough when it comes to private housing. However adding public housing is a good idea to continue growing urbanization as well as keeping constructionworkers employed.

But I deffinately agree that building now while salaries are still low is the only way to do it. Binhai new area, Qianhai and Heng Sha are also new areas that will accommodate alot of office space and RnD. A sector that does not suffer from oversupply at all.

This shitty 60 minutes piece made the well respected show looks like something coming out of Entertainment Tonight.

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Exactly!
It's also interesting how reports about the ultimate Chinese "ghost town" Ordos are becoming very rare. What's the reason? Well, it isn't a ghost town anymore...sometimes it just needs some time to fill a new district.

Now everybody uses Ordos as the example since it's the last good example. Before they had more alternatives to choose from.

When you're building several million sq m of residential and commercial space in one go it will stay empty for a while because it is physically impossible to fill it in an instant. Those who criticize China's 'ghost towns' simply do not understand what urban development system China is undertaking and how it works.

They want China do it how it's done in the west. Build it block by block when demand exceeds supply. That's the law of economics. It's not economical motivated to build something that will lose money the first 2-3 years.

Yes, Tianjin has very serious plans to expand to 25 million people. Already has expanded from about 10 to 15 million.

Right now Tianjin's population is about 7-8 million and about 9 with Binhai included so it will take a while until Tainjin becomes a true megacity.

^^Liar. Tianjin's official population is 13,545,800 and is probably higher due to migrant workers.

I am not trying to be a troll or lie. This is what I have read and analysed by looking at maps and streetviews.
I am not counting the rural areas. Only the urban core and suburb districts. Fornce people living in Ji or Baodi county may rarely go into the Tianjin so they don't contribute any population increase anything to the proper city like suburb dwellers do. For instance Beijing's total pop. is 20 million but the itself including the metropolitan area is about 18-19 million. So Tianjin still isn't a megacity yet. For Shanghai it's 20-21 while the municipality have 23.

Check here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_of_Tianjin

Where did you get the 13.5 million figure? In 2010 the pop was 12 938 224.

One can find multiple answers to population figures on the net. It isn't necessary to call someone a "liar". Post a source for your figures. The true figure is probably close to what's posted below. Urban population numbers flucuate all the time. That's true all over the world.

"At present, Tianjin has a population of 10.43 million permanent residents"
source http://www.tj.gov.cn/english/About_tianjin/Tianjin_Basic_Facts/Population_and_Nationalities/

Population (2010 census)
• Municipality 12,938,224
• Urban 4,342,770
• Metro 10,290,987
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin

Tianjin 11,090,314 Municipality (National central city)
http://worldpopulationreview.com/population-of-china-2012/

And there are a dozen more figures available online as well. Which one is correct? Who knows.

China isn't that exceptional, though the scale is larger. There have been massive building booms in Europe and America as well, where whole neighbourhoods, whole cities, were built from scratch in a decade or so. The houses all got filled, eventually, but they all had massive property crashes in the meantime. These booms and crashes were predominantly privately financed.

Will these Binhai projects complete without a massive crash in the middle? I couldn't say. I am sure these buildings will fill eventually, but this is not only the biggest, but also the riskiest construction project in China today.

However it turns out, Binhai will likely be the biggest city development in Chinese history. There won't be a bigger one. If there were it would most likely be in India, Indonesia or somewhere in Africa.

China isn't that exceptional, though the scale is larger. There have been massive building booms in Europe and America as well, where whole neighbourhoods, whole cities, were built from scratch in a decade or so. The houses all got filled, eventually, but they all had massive property crashes in the meantime. These booms and crashes were predominantly privately financed.

Will these Binhai projects complete without a massive crash in the middle? I couldn't say. I am sure these buildings will fill eventually, but this is not only the biggest, but also the riskiest construction project in China today.

However it turns out, Binhai will likely be the biggest city development in Chinese history. There won't be a bigger one. If there were it would most likely be in India, Indonesia or somewhere in Africa.

I'd like to see the figures of urban/rural population in Western Europe back in the days (1950-1960/70's I suppose?) and compare it to nowadays China.

China still has half a billion or so people who eventually will be moving to cities. Hence the need for residential housing. Something that never happened on such a scale and speed in Europe.

However it turns out, Binhai will likely be the biggest city development in Chinese history. There won't be a bigger one.

What about Qianhai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6iYcSLMSSk) in Shenzhen? Isn't it of comparable scale?

They want China do it how it's done in the west. Build it block by block when demand exceeds supply. That's the law of economics. It's not economical motivated to build something that will lose money the first 2-3 years.

It would make economic sense if the land and construction cost is significantly cheaper now compare to three years down the road, and the saving will outnumber the initial loss due to higher vacancy rate. They are doing it with a long term plan, just like Airbus still hasn't break even making the A380 six years after delivering the first aircraft, but that doesn't mean it's a poor business decision not motivated by basic economics, it's common for long term investments.

I'd like to see the figures of urban/rural population in Western Europe back in the days (1950-1960/70's I suppose?) and compare it to nowadays China.

China still has half a billion or so people who eventually will be moving to cities. Hence the need for residential housing. Something that never happened on such a scale and speed in Europe.



What about Qianhai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6iYcSLMSSk) in Shenzhen? Isn't it of comparable scale?

The comparable time in Europe would be around 1880-1900 for most countries, a little later for the US. This is before EU and Eurostat, so while there probably are web sites with aggregate information I don't have it. This was the age of science, technology, and rapid social change, industrialisation and urbanisation. The population explosion leading up to this, and the lessened need for rural workers, led to a huge influx of poor migrant workers to the cities, and a growing emigration to America. This was also the age of colonisation.

We have been here before, but those who could have remembered are dead. There is a memory in architecture. When you go to European cities today there is a good fair the house you are looking at is from that period. (Most buildings are made in the 20th century, but that is a longer time period, there are also around 2000 years of building history leading up to the late 1800s, but in building mass this is tiny.) The science taught in school is largely from that period, as is much literature, theatre and culture. This was a time of misery and optimism, rational and irrational exuberance followed by a number of crashes and long depressions.

Of course the population in Europe more than a century ago was much smaller than the population of China today, and they were much poorer than today's Chinese. The scale was smaller, but the phenomena the same. Like with Europe, whatever part of the building mass which isn't shoddy, in the way for future projects, or poorly located or planned, will remain for a century or more. This includes Yujiapu/Xiangluowan. That doesn't mean that the investors will get their money back, or that there couldn't be a depressed decade or two with low-paying tenants and high vacancy, or that this won't be a drag of the Tianjin economy or the economy as a whole.

I don't know the Qianhai project that well, but my impression is that it is significantly smaller in scale both in absolute terms and relative to the economy (Hong Kong/Shenzhen vs Tianjin).