So Palace looking to move back to the Palace.


We are delighted to announce that Crystal Palace Football Club together with their advisers CB Richard Ellis and stadium designers AFL have been pursuing avenues that would allow them to move back to their original home at Crystal Palace park.

Crystal Palace is a unique place, one of the highest points in London, a point where five South London boroughs collide and the home of the club. It also holds a special place in English football, hosting the first cup finals and early England Internationals.

The plan is to provide a:

- 40,000 seat stadium

- new indoor acuatic centre

- reconfigured indoor sports complex within the existing structure

- new community athletics facility

Combined this will breathe new life into the National Sports Centre and the park by removing the requirement for the pool inside the current listed structure, greatly reduce the running costs and allow for the current space to be re-utilised for an even wider range of community and elite athletic sports,

Planning will be sought for the full 40,000 seat capacity stadium, it may begin life with a reduced 25,000 capacity stadium, dependant on where we are, other uses etc.

Steve Parish, Co-Chairman of Crystal Palace Football Club, said: "We are delighted to put forward our plans to return the club home to where it all began. We believe a stadium at Crystal Palace park can help create a bright new future for the club as well as helping it to breathe new life into both the sports centre and the park."



http://www.cpfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10323~2271669,00.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/20/article-1349016-0CD7E9F8000005DC-283_634x418.jpg

Stadium design is interesting, no doubt it will be a one tier bowl before we know it though, the location is a bad idea!

Crystal Palace (Upper Norwood) is even more of a bitch to get to than Selhurst Park (South Norwood) which is served by two railway lines and three train stations within walking distance, not to mention East Croydon (one of the country's busiest station) just down the road. Oh yeah and you have more nimbys over there especially as it's in solid Tory Bromley not marginal Croydon, although one would think that if they are going public with this they have some sort of deal with Bromley.

For me leaving Croydon (although only going 200m or so outside the boundary) is not a good idea. Inner London is a lost cause for all but the big London clubs as it's so transient, most of the cemented communities in the city are now in the suburbs or that’s how it seems to me living in “outer London”. Palace should be looking more towards cementing their links with Croydon and becoming more Croydon's club which they have been since 1919, moving further away from their and out of the borough isn't a good idea.

The stadium design looks good. would just have to see what happens with it

love to see the source of that quote youve got there bigbossman

Some more pics!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/010323935372900.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/010323935372700.jpg

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http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/010323935355600.jpg

very good imo!

In an alternate universe from Crystal Palace's proposal's for the same site, discussed in this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1304881)

If Spurs win the bid for the Olympic stadium, this is what we'll see at Crystal Palace.....

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Tottenham Hotspur have released images showing for the first time how Crystal Palace would look following a facelift which forms part of their legacy plan for athletics in London after the 2012 Olympics.

Spurs, who are in a contest with West Ham to take over the main Olympic Stadium after the Games, have come under fire from London 2012 chairman Lord Coe and IAAF president Lamine Diack for their plans to break bid promises to turn the venue into a permanent home for track and field after the Games.

But the north London club argue their plan to invest in the sport's traditional home at Crystal Palace would leave a better and more cost effective legacy for the sport.

The images show an expanded stadium with 9,500 extra seats boosting the capacity to 25,000. Under Spurs' plans the stadium could be expanded by a further 15,000 - the level needed to stage a World or European Athletics Championships.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50987000/gif/_50987150_newpalacepic1.gif

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50987000/gif/_50987151_palacestandpic2.gif

It reminds me of the Toumba in Greece!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/thessaloniki_toumba1.jpg

Sorry Spurs but I hope West Ham get the recommendation, it makes more sense.

I know most Spurs fans want to stay in N17 anyway.

With our plan there will be a brand new Aquatic centre so the existing area to the right of the stadium below will be a multi use area with a new track next to that!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/010323935355600.jpg

Why would this club want to build a 40,000 seat stadium? Isn't that having ambitions a little above your station in life?

Looking over their average attendances since like, post WWII, and they're averaging a solid 16-17,000 crowd most seasons, with gusts into the low 20k's when they're promoted to Premeir League. Which, admittedly, isn't often and isn't for long when it does occur. Really, they're not even a reliable yo-yo team like West Brom or Wolves.

It's a very nice design. Looks like something out of that great sci-fi flick Silent Running - I'm seeing Bruce Dern and robot pals Huey, Dewey and Louie as groundskeepers with an edge - but how does anyone figure that Crystal Palace FC need 40,000?

Wouldn't this club be an ideal partner to have as a co-tenant with UK Athletics at a stadium built with the Spurs funding? It's probably much easier to design retractable seating for a smaller stadium than for a big league stadium. So why not do it here and let both parties enjoy quality accomodations?

And surely to goodness the official media release didn't actually spell it 'acuatic'?

Defeats half the point of the Olympic bid.

Why would this club want to build a 40,000 seat stadium? Isn't that having ambitions a little above your station in life?

Looking over their average attendances since like, post WWII, and they're averaging a solid 16-17,000 crowd most seasons, with gusts into the low 20k's when they're promoted to Premeir League. Which, admittedly, isn't often and isn't for long when it does occur. Really, they're not even a reliable yo-yo team like West Brom or Wolves.

It's a very nice design. Looks like something out of that great sci-fi flick Silent Running - I'm seeing Bruce Dern and robot pals Huey, Dewey and Louie as groundskeepers with an edge - but how does anyone figure that Crystal Palace FC need 40,000?

Wouldn't this club be an ideal partner to have as a co-tenant with UK Athletics at a stadium built with the Spurs funding? It's probably much easier to design retractable seating for a smaller stadium than for a big league stadium. So why not do it here and let both parties enjoy quality accomodations?

And surely to goodness the official media release didn't actually spell it 'acuatic'?

The capacity if we stay in the lower reaches of the championship or we get relegated will be 25,000 but we are applying for the full 40,000 as in 2015 we could be back in the Prem :cheer:.

Crystal Palace is the only proper South London club. Charlton and Milwall are East London.

In 1979 we had 52,000 at Selhurst Park in a second division game with another 20,000 trying to get in and still to this date have the highest ever attendance for the Fourth division of 37,774 in 1961.

We always sell out our allocation of 35-40,000 for Wembley/Cardiff. Its been a gradual downfall with an old stadium, poor pricing from previous administrations. Our new owners and main man Steve Parish is a marketing man and this would be his forte in getting new people into the stadium.

There is a big following of Crystal Palace and moving to a new stadium would automatically increase this.

The stadium could also be used for concerts and other large events as it has a Park location and share with a Rugby Club too.

A park location has a better commercial value and is why Spurs see having the commercial space around the Olympic Stadium as a major reason to want to move there!

Here are out average attendances in the 10 years from 1969 to 1980:

1979-80 First Division 29,523
1978-79 Second Division 23,327
1977-78 Second Division 19,466
1976-77 Third Division 15,925
1975-76 Third Division 19,942
1974-75 Third Division 16,448
1973-74 Second Division 21,285
1972-73 First Division 29,596
1971-72 First Division 26,999
1970-71 First Division 28,768
1969-70 First Division 29,900

as you can see in the 70's when in the top flight our stadium averaged around the 30,000 mark.

Can't really go on pass gates to work out how many people will go watch the team now. You have really lost a generation of fans.

Well, it's good to be ambitious. Any idea what this stadium is estimated to cost?

Lots of teams had bigger crowd numbers in the days of two bob tickets and standing on terraces. I'd be a little sceptical about big crowds simply because new stadiums are generally costly and ticket prices have to go up to pay for it.

Well, it's good to be ambitious. Any idea what this stadium is estimated to cost?

Lots of teams had bigger crowd numbers in the days of two bob tickets and standing on terraces. I'd be a little sceptical about big crowds simply because new stadiums are generally costly and ticket prices have to go up to pay for it.

The First phase:

£50 million pounds

Second phase up to 40,000

another £70-90 million I think?

Can't really go on pass gates to work out how many people will go watch the team now. You have really lost a generation of fans.

Agreed however I think the new owners being ambitious want to draw the big crowds back!

I know we have lost a generation of support but South London has a large population (about 3 million) and if we market ourselves as THE club for South London we can draw new people as well as the older lost fans.

Agreed however I think the new owners being ambitious want to draw the big crowds back!

I know we have lost a generation of support but South London has a large population (about 3 million) and if we market ourselves as THE club for South London we can draw new people as well as the older lost fans.

"Could" Iam a darlington fan and you can check the history with the new stadium we had and the owner. hope it works out for you alot but be warned

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No offence intended, but Darlington moving into a 30'000 seater stadium while in the bottom division, getting attendances of around 4'000 isn't that relevant to Crystal Palace. Yes they're not in the Premiership right now, and have lost some fairweather fans, however if they were to get back into the Prem, and into this stadium they will atleast be competitive to other teams with similar capacities.

I maintain that Palace have one of the biggest Catchment areas of any London club.

No offence intended, but Darlington moving into a 30'000 seater stadium while in the bottom division, getting attendances of around 4'000 isn't that relevant to Crystal Palace. Yes they're not in the Premiership right now, and have lost some fairweather fans, however if they were to get back into the Prem, and into this stadium they will atleast be competitive to other teams with similar capacities.

I maintain that Palace have one of the biggest Catchment areas of any London club.

It was a 25,000 seater stadium ;) Yeah it was built for a owners ego alot of fans did not want it and still don't. but alot of fans just don't go to watch live football now. just got you have a big catchment area does not mean anything. south durham and darlington area and teesside is around 450,000 but with newcastle,sunderland and middlesbrough fans of darlington and hartlepool are being kicked out

looks nice

English Championship League(second division) standings as of Feb. 1.

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Teams P GD PTS
1 QPR 28 28 53
2 Norwich 28 9 48
3 Cardiff 27 12 47
4 Swansea 28 9 47
5 Nott'm Forest 26 14 46
6 Leeds 28 7 45
7 Watford 26 13 42
8 Millwall 28 9 42
9 Reading 27 13 41
10 Burnley 27 7 40
11 Leicester 28 -5 39
12 Hull City 28 -1 38
13 Barnsley 28 -7 37
14 Coventry 28 -2 36
15 Derby 27 0 34
16 Doncaster 26 -5 34
17 Bristol C 28 -11 32
18 Portsmouth 27 -5 31
19 Ipswich 26 -6 31
20 Middlesbrough 27 -5 30
21 SheffUtd 27 -17 27
22 Crystal Palace 28 -21 27
23 S****horpe 25 -18 24
24 Preston 26 -18 21

Looks pretty scary for this team. Crystal Palace have played more games than the nearest rivals. They have the worst goals differential in the league, not a good sign. But
if they go down, they can have a derby with Charlton again.

Very bad timing for this stadium bid. Just like West Ham. You said they plan to build it in stages, so do they start with just uncovered lower seats surrounding the pitch and no glass roof? Or is the roof part of the plan from the start?

That grid would cast some wierd shadows on the pitch. Which way faces north?

English Championship League(second division) standings as of Feb. 1.

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Teams P GD PTS
1 QPR 28 28 53
2 Norwich 28 9 48
3 Cardiff 27 12 47
4 Swansea 28 9 47
5 Nott'm Forest 26 14 46
6 Leeds 28 7 45
7 Watford 26 13 42
8 Millwall 28 9 42
9 Reading 27 13 41
10 Burnley 27 7 40
11 Leicester 28 -5 39
12 Hull City 28 -1 38
13 Barnsley 28 -7 37
14 Coventry 28 -2 36
15 Derby 27 0 34
16 Doncaster 26 -5 34
17 Bristol C 28 -11 32
18 Portsmouth 27 -5 31
19 Ipswich 26 -6 31
20 Middlesbrough 27 -5 30
21 SheffUtd 27 -17 27
22 Crystal Palace 28 -21 27
23 S****horpe 25 -18 24
24 Preston 26 -18 21

Looks pretty scary for this team. Crystal Palace have played more games than the nearest rivals. They have the worst goals differential in the league, not a good sign. But
if they go down, they can have a derby with Charlton again.

Very bad timing for this stadium bid. Just like West Ham. You said they plan to build it in stages, so do they start with just uncovered lower seats surrounding the pitch and no glass roof? Or is the roof part of the plan from the start?

That grid would cast some wierd shadows on the pitch. Which way faces north?

Yes it doesn't look good this season so far but we have just signed 4 players in January which shows the owners intent on staying up!

The owners funds are there even if we get relegated and if we do the capacity will be a 25,000 capacity and will look as it does in the pictures however not all seats will be put in until we want to expand to 40,000. (like MK Dons). However we are going for planning permission for the full 40,000 now.

The pic below faces North,

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/leelouca/010323935355600.jpg

So, this seems to be much more likely now West Ham look like they've won the right to the Olympic Stadium.

What, Palace fans, would you say are the chances of this going ahead now?

Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish sets out his "fantastic" vision for a new 40,000 capacity ground for the club as part of a renovated National Sports Centre in south London, in the wake of West Ham being awarded the 2012 Olympic Stadium.

Watch video here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/9395111.stm

Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish sets out his "fantastic" vision for a new 40,000 capacity ground for the club as part of a renovated National Sports Centre in south London, in the wake of West Ham being awarded the 2012 Olympic Stadium.

Watch video here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/9395111.stm

Would be great if they could go ahead with this new stadium.

Two questions, though: how will they afford it? Will the sale of the Selhurst Park site raise enough to cover costs?

Would be great if they could go ahead with this new stadium.

Two questions, though: how will they afford it? Will the sale of the Selhurst Park site raise enough to cover costs?

Football stadia unlike a house have only a value if a football team wants it. West Ham Boleyn Ground would cost something like £200m to replace but as a vacant stadium for development £20m. The same rules apply for White Hart Lane and Selhurst Park.

Football stadia unlike a house have only a value if a football team wants it. West Ham Boleyn Ground would cost something like £200m to replace but as a vacant stadium for development £20m. The same rules apply for White Hart Lane and Selhurst Park.

I think £200m to replace a 35k stadium sounds quite steep... especially given current construction costs. Simple single tiered bowls can be put up at a fraction of that..... and this stadium will probably be of that ilk.

Well we managed to stay up :banana2:

Which hopefully means we will now apply for the full 40,000 capacity!

The owners said yesterday that the next step is having a meeting with the London Development Agency who own the land at the National Sports Centre. They apparently have been held up by the Royal Wedding and concentrating on just surviving in the Championship. The planning application will hopefully be made in the summer :)

Well we managed to stay up :banana2:

Which hopefully means we will now apply for the full 40,000 capacity!

The owners said yesterday that the next step is having a meeting with the London Development Agency who own the land at the National Sports Centre. They apparently have been held up by the Royal Wedding and concentrating on just surviving in the Championship. The planning application will hopefully be made in the summer :)

I doubt that any agreement as to the future of the site can or will be reached until the completion of the judicial review of West Ham and Newham's bid for the Olympic stadium. Not sure when that's due but it might take quite a few months.

UK Athletics can't commit to leaving Crystal Palace until they are guaranteed a new home at the Olympic stadium.

Little update. Looks like Crystal Palace F.C will stay at Selhurst.

Plans should be announced soon.

Selhurst Shout: Could West Ham’s Olympic Stadium move open a door for Crystal Palace? (http://www.london24.com/sport/championship/crystal-palace/selhurst_shout_could_west_ham_s_olympic_stadium_move_open_a_door_for_crystal_palace_1_2009738)
http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/spt_wk15_13_selhurst_park_1_2009737!image/3536065564.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/3536065564.jpg

Eagles fan Daniel Smith wonders whether Crystal Palace might reconsider leaving Selhurst Park in the wake of West Ham’s confirmed move to the Olympic Stadium.

With West Ham’s tenancy of Stratford’s Olympic Stadium now confirmed, Crystal Palace fans may wonder whether it might re-open the door to a stadium move of their own.

During the initial bid involving West Ham and Tottenham, CPFC 2010 made it clear that they intended to return Palace to the site where the team first played after its 1905 formation, now the National Sports Centre (NSC) athletics stadium.

This depended on the result of who got the Olympic Stadium, because if Tottenham had won they wished to demolish and rebuild in Stratford as well as give money for the redevelopment of Crystal Palace NSC so that London could keep a home for athletics.

The Eagles’ aims hinged on West Ham being awarded the stadium and the running track being kept. When the debacle over the stadium ensued and appeals were lodged, it seemed Palace’s ideas had been scuppered and they turned their attention to redeveloping Selhurst Park.

And that is where things have stayed up to this point. But now that West Ham have been awarded the Olympic Stadium, it begs the question of whether CPFC 2010 would consider reviving their previous plans.

With the announcement of last season’s financial figures this week, Palace fans can see that loss is being reduced. A relocation runs the risk of rising costs so in that sense it could be seen as a bad move.

But there are also positives. The idea of going back to the place where the club was born has many fans swaying towards that option.

Of course, nothing is being made of this at the moment and all attention is rightly on the run-in of this season. But as the season draws to a close and the Wilfried Zaha transfer money becomes available to be spent, it would certainly be an interesting topic for Palace fans and the owners to debate.

^^ Have a medal, you got in there with a stadium redevelopment story before RMB2007 did :tongue2:

gimme ma medal then:-D

^^ Have a medal, you got in there with a stadium redevelopment story before RMB2007 did :tongue2:

That's not possible :ohno:




:lol:

So the new site is where we used to play FA cup finals before the old Wembley was even dreamed up?

That's certainly fitting! Didn't it used to hold something like 120,000 or something(Plus the people in the trees behind the soil embankments)?:)

First of all many congrats to Palace and the small matter of 125 million quid in the bank :) with there renowned youth academy I hope they try and make plans for the new stadium ASAP as I believe where the catchment area In south London they could be looking at becoming a mid table team like a Fulham,west ham etc hopefully they stay up next year so we can see this stadium come to fruition in next few years should probably aim for the 25k version first of all

It'll be interesting to see if there is any news regarding the stadium, 'cause the last news suggested they were looking at redeveloping Selhurst Park, rather than building a new stadium.

I was going off the post match interviews with holloway was thinking maybe he had been given assurances of new facilities with high income when he took the job ?

News article from the end of last year:

Crystal Palace co-chairman Steve Parish has revealed that redeveloping Selhurst Park remains a key priority if they win promotion to the Premier League.

Palace, who are second in the Championship, have given themselves a great chance of promotion after taking 40 points from their first 20 games.

The last work done on the 26,225-capacity stadium was the rebuilding of the Holmesdale Stand, which was opened in the 1994-95 campaign. Many areas have become run-down and various plans to relocate have never come to fruition.

Parish sees a bigger stadium as key to securing the club’s long-term future and when asked if building a bigger and better Selhurst Park is realistic, he said: “Definitely. Even if we get in the Premier League, without a new ground it is very difficult to sustain.

“Your second-best income after the television revenue is bums on seats so we need a bigger and better stadium. That’s an absolute priority for us.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/crystal-palace-hope-to-upgrade-selhurst-park-8381427.html?origin=internalSearch

thanks looks like maybe they see this as a much cheaper and quicker option what is the corporate facilities like at selhurst ?

http://www.holmesdale.net/images/features/card1.jpg

I think the first thing clubs that make it to the Premier League should do is use some of those proceeds to develop their stadium, training facilities and youth program. If you go down again, at least you have something tangible to show for it. Palace probably see themselves as no different to Fulham (and bigger) and feel that they can become established in the EPL, but you need to be smart because the risk is always there. The new financial controls should help in prioritising things like that, which is good.

Confirmed that they're staying at Selhurst by redeveloping a stand at a time, whilst looking at an eventual capacity of 40,000:

Crystal Palace promotion: Selhurst Park revamp plans 'embryonic'

Steve Parish said plans for Selhurst Park would be "accelerated" following the 1-0 play-off win against Watford.

But he added: "We're working on re-developing the ground a stand at a time."

It had been suggested a new stadium would be built after it was estimated the club's promotion to the Premier League would earn it £120m.

Sunday's victory at Wembley means the Eagles will play in the top division next season, for the first time since the 2004-05 campaign.

Mr Parish said: "What's really important is that we won don't come up and have a nice time for a year and then come back down. We need to make sure there's a [football] legacy from all this."

'Massive regeneration'

Only three of Palace's 19 rivals in next season's Premier League currently have smaller home stadiums - Fulham, Hull City and Swansea City.

Mr Parish said in an "ideal world" increasing the stadium capacity from 26,000 to 40,000 would generate a good income for the club but Selhurst Park would need to be expanded in stages.

Following the win, Croydon North MP Steve Reed said: "We've got the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea coming down, it's a massive regeneration effect particularly if the club decide to go ahead and re-build the stadium.

"They could get a lot more in there than just a football ground, we're talking leisure facilities, shopping, perhaps conference facilities, this means jobs."

Mr Parish said: "We'd look at any sensible suggestions. We haven't got the biggest amount of land there, but we've been looking at pop-up outlets where they don't hold stock.

"We've got Sainsbury's on the site so we've been discussing things with them.

"It's very embryonic, but I was working on it as an army of one, but now we can look at it a bit more seriously."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22689119

40,000?

Can't imagine that amount of people of moving through that area tbh, although Arsenal managed to squeeze 38,000 into Highbury so you never know.

Either way, good luck to them, I remember being genuinely worried about the club being on the brink of not existing few a years ago, being from Forest Hill they were local team and been to Selhurst a lot, in fact went to my first ever football match back in the 97/98 at Selhurst, Spurs beat Palace 3-1 and Chris Armstrong should've been sent off but avoided a second yellow.