Now this is an interesting development.

But I won't really be celebrating if Mubarak leaves. I do not trust Omar Suleiman or the rest of the scumbags still in government. If he leaves, his regime stays. I don't see the win.

Replacing Mobarak to Omar Solaman is nothing more than removing a worm and putting another. I think the egyptians are aware of the situation and we must continue. Afterall MHM is the one who decided to Put Soleiman as VP and not the Americans. And no way Soleiman could be a permanent president . He will have to pass by the elections.

While Hosny Mobarak said to ABC today:Maybe because he eliminated all the competition throughout 30 years, ("If I resign today there will be chaos,” #Mubarak to ABC News.) #Egypt

Ok, nobody feels MHM is a good president for Egypt now, including me, BUT we have 2 options now :

1-) Protesters go home and see whether MHM will implement what he said on the ground for real or will he be crazy and use his powers to "pave a way for a similar successor". In this case I will be the first one to go to Tahrir and protest.

2-) Let this blood bath continue, life stopped, people "who wants freedom" starving and chaos everywhere. Economy falling, unemployment sky-rocketing, and Egypt going backward.

People, use your minds. A transitional period where we can decide who will we as Egyptians choose as our president is crucial now. Lets settle now and watch MHM and his ******** do what they promised. If they didn't,Tahrir will always be there for us.

Believe me, going to streets giving "MHM thugs" if they exist a chance to mess with our beloved country Egypt is the worst mistake we can commit. Let MHM spend his last days, opposition arrange and trim their platforms, and people take their breaths.

What brave Egyptians did in Tahrir on friday was wonderful, and Egyptians abroad like us should lift our hats in respect and praise, but I believe it is now the time to go home.

The army is telling people in Tahrir square to evacuate immediately because they are seeing some people with Molotov on their way to Tahrir square. People are not responding. If you are really Egyptian, you won't be happy with what happened today.

+1

Its good to see an increasing number of Egyptians listening to the voice of reason.

We all agree that Mubarak is a criminal but for the greater good of the country he must stay until the next election.

I think the guy has already got the humiliation he deserved.

^^ good to see you again ;)

About the last article, what? So usa think for us now? Hello this is egypt is not usa its our problem not there's.

+1


We all agree that Mubarak is a criminal but for the greater good of the country he must stay until the next election.


No way, you have caught the beast at the neck and you should not let him go. You should bite your teeth fully into his neck and remove this obstacle from the path of Egypt becoming a prosperous democratic nation. This is a chance once in a lifetime. It will give impetus and courage to the other Arab-Muslim nations to topple the tyranny too.

Don't give up and don't squander this opportunity.

^
I agree.

A similiar thing happened in Serbia in 2000. because the people didn't take the revolution to the end.Now 10 years later it seems like nothing has changed and the new goverment is even more corrupt than the old one.

If you give up you lose because Omar Suleiman or some other crook will get in power.Never ever believe a dictator that he will keep up his promise,more so that he is backed by USA and Israel.

today's protest is relative calm, I hope it succeds in the departure of mubarak.

^^

How many people are there in that square right now? More than 250,000?

^^
I dont have a specific number, but they're sayinng on aljazeera that there are thousands on the square right now, and thousands others are waiting to pass through the check lines. Im guessing it will be a million (if not more) by the end of the day.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

+1

Its good to see an increasing number of Egyptians listing to the voice of reason.

We all agree that Mubarak is a criminal but for the greater good of the country he must stay until the next election.

I think the guy has already got the humiliation he deserved.

Mubarak wants to leave office with a 93% majority of the NDP in parliament. How is that possible? Or legal? How could we alter the constiution with an illegitmate parliament in place?

Nothing will happen if he steps down. Omar Sulieman has the ability to hold power without causing chaos. All he wants to do is make us all fear transition and change. Had he truly cared about Egypt, he would have left office last Friday, and handed power to Sulieman.

Now this is an interesting development.

But I won't really be celebrating if Mubarak leaves. I do not trust Omar Suleiman or the rest of the scumbags still in government. If he leaves, his regime stays. I don't see the win.

I think we should accept Sulieman as a transitional leader who holds power until we:


Dissolve Parliament
Alter the constiution
Hold new parliamentary elections
Delay Presidential elections to late November 2011 and hold free and fair elections.

Alter the constitution should be done by a representative parliament, not by a single party. Maybe plan should be:

- Dissolve
- appoint interim
- free elections
- new constitution.

Alter the constitution should be done by a representative parliament, not by a single party. Maybe plan should be:

- Dissolve
- appoint interim
- free elections
- new constitution.

Presidential elections should not take place prior to constitutional changes. In its current form, the constitution places strict constraints when it comes to presidential nomination. Specific articles were written to secure a transition of power to Gamal Mubarak.

According to Al Jazeera: Amr Moussa is in Tahrir Square right now.

Presidential elections should not take place prior to constitutional changes. In its current form, the constitution places strict constraints when it comes to presidential nomination. Specific articles were written to secure a transition of power to Gamal Mubarak.

Don't you think a constitutive assembly should be the best way to go? The people have a right to choose their constitution no?

Don't you think a constitutive assembly should be the best way to go? The people have a right to choose their constitution no?

Yes, Omar Sulieman already stated that when the opposition agree on specific changes, a referendum will take place for people to choose whether they agree with the changes or not.

Yes, Omar Sulieman already stated that when the opposition agree on specific changes, a referendum will take place for people to choose whether they agree with the changes or not.

Can you trust him and more importantly Mubarak regime's bureaucrats? I bet they would try to limit changes and make minimal concessions. Egyptian people should stay vigilante and active against any action which will derail the country from becoming a democracy.

Can you trust him and more importantly Mubarak regime's bureaucrats? I bet they would try to limit changes and make minimal concessions. Egyptian people should stay vigilante and active against any action which will derail the country from becoming a democracy.

The population is not stupid

over than 3 million Egyption are there midan alta7reer #jan25 #egypt

Heard on Aljazeera Over 5 million in the Streets of Cairo

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Mubarak Family May Have as Much as $70 Billion Stashed Away, Experts Estimate

President Hosni Mubarak's power may have visibly crumbled before the world on Jan. 25 when protesters took to the streets of Cairo, but his personal wealth will likely be intact when he leaves office as pledged at the end of the year, or sooner if the crowds have their way.
Experts say the wealth of the Mubarak family was built largely from military contracts during his days as an air force officer. He eventually diversified his investments through his family when he became president in 1981. The family's net worth ranges from $40 billion to $70 billion, by some estimates.
Amaney Jamal, a political science professor at Princeton, said those estimates are comparable with the vast wealth of leaders in other Gulf countries.
"The business ventures from his military and government service accumulated to his personal wealth," said Jamal. "There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain." Jamal said that Mubarak's assets are most likely in banks outside of Egypt, possibly in the United Kingdom and Switzerland. "This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators so their wealth will not be taken during a transition, she said. "These leaders plan on this."
Mubarak, his wife and two sons were able to also accumulate wealth through a number of business partnerships with foreigners, said Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East Politics at Durham University in England. He said Egyptian law requires that foreigners give a local business partner a 51 percent stake in most ventures.
Aladdin Elaasar, author of "The Last Pharaoh: Mubarak and the Uncertain Future of Egypt in the Obama Age," said the Mubaraks own several residences in Egypt, some inherited from previous presidents and the monarchy, and others he has built. He had a very lavish lifestyle with many homes around the country," said Elaasar, who estimates the family's wealth is between $50 billion to $70 billion. Gross national income is $2,070 per family in Egypt, according to the World Bank. About 20 percent of the population lives below the poverty line, according to a 2010 report by the CIA.
"Gamal and Alaa are partners in the biggest trade and industrial companies in Egypt, practically paying nothing," Elaasar wrote in his book of Mubarak's two sons. Elaasar said the sons have shares in Chili's restaurants, Hyundai and Scoda auto dealerships, Vodafone, and several luxury hotel and residential properties. The Mubarak family owns properties in London, Paris, Madrid, Dubai, Washington, D.C., New York and Frankfurt, according to a report from IHS Global Insight.
Davidson said the family's net worth, however -- $17 billion for Mubarak, $10 billion for his second son, Gamal, and $40 billion for the family -- are really just estimates. "Of course, by definition, bank accounts in Switzerland are a secret so we cannot get a full picture," said Davidson. Robert Springborg, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School and a Middle East scholar, said while the family is very wealthy, they have not been extremely overt with their wealth. "One of the sons has a nice apartment in Cairo but nothing hugely lavish," said Springborg. "There are many other people in Egypt who live a more lavish lifestyle than them."
Whatever Mubarak's wealth is, Jamal said it is certain that whenever the president actually leaves office, there will be an investigation into his assets. "There's not much of a cover-up," she said. "The people have already outed him as a corrupt leader."
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/egypt-mubarak-family-accumulated-wealth-days-military/story?id=12821073&page=2



Many others will be brought in justice

Can you trust him and more importantly Mubarak regime's bureaucrats? I bet they would try to limit changes and make minimal concessions. Egyptian people should stay vigilante and active against any action which will derail the country from becoming a democracy.

We will find out how serious they are about political reform soon; Sulieman has begun engaging in talks with the opposition.

When will it end?

he must leave now

***BREAKING*** Four aides to former Minister of Interior Habib Al Adly have been detained #Egypt #Jan25 #Mubarak #Tahrir

Mubarak wants to leave office with a 93% majority of the NDP in parliament. How is that possible? Or legal? How could we alter the constiution with an illegitmate parliament in place?

Nothing will happen if he steps down. Omar Sulieman has the ability to hold power without causing chaos. All he wants to do is make us all fear transition and change. Had he truly cared about Egypt, he would have left office last Friday, and handed power to Sulieman.

Had the protests happened a few months earlier I would have been supportive of the resolution of the Parliament, but now, with only 6 months remaining till election, resolving the Parliament, electing a new one and then making constitutional changes before the election is not possible, And even if that happens the NDP will still dominate the Parliament anyway.It won't make that much difference.

And who told you Omar Sulayman will hold power if Mubarak steps down? It will actually be the Speaker of the People’s Assembly (Fathi Sorour), and guess what? he won't be able to make any constitutional changes or resolve the Parliament before the presidential elections.

مادة(84): في حالة خلو منصب رئيس الجمهورية أو عجزه الدائم عن العمل يتولي الرئاسة مؤقتا رئيس مجلس الشعب، وإذا كان المجلس منحلا حل محله رئيس المحكمة الدستورية العليا، وذلك بشرط ألا يرشح أيهما للرئاسة، مع التقيد بالحظر المنصوص عليه فى الفقرة الثانية من المادة82.

ويتم اختيار رئيس الجمهورية خلال مدة لا تتجاوز ستين يوما من تاريخ خلو منصب الرئاسة.

مادة(82): إذا قام مانع مؤقت يحول دون مباشرة رئيس الجمهورية لاختصاصاته أناب عنه نائب رئيس الجمهورية أو رئيس مجلس الوزراء عند عدم وجود نائب لرئيس الجمهورية أو تعذر نيابته عنه، ولا يجوز لمن ينوب عن رئيس الجمهورية طلب تعديل الدستور أو حل مجلس الشعب أو مجلس الشوري أو إقالة الوزارة.

Had the protests happened a few months earlier I would have been supportive of the resolution of the Parliament, but now, with only 6 months remaining till election, resolving the Parliament, electing a new one and then making constitutional changes before the election is not possible, And even if that happens the NDP will still dominate the Parliament anyway.It won't make that much difference.

And who told you Omar Sulayman will hold power if Mubarak steps down? It will actually be the Speaker of the People’s Assembly (Fathi Sorour), and guess what? he won't be able to make any constitutional changes or resolve the Parliament before the presidential elections.

مادة(84): في حالة خلو منصب رئيس الجمهورية أو عجزه الدائم عن العمل يتولي الرئاسة مؤقتا رئيس مجلس الشعب، وإذا كان المجلس منحلا حل محله رئيس المحكمة الدستورية العليا، وذلك بشرط ألا يرشح أيهما للرئاسة، مع التقيد بالحظر المنصوص عليه فى الفقرة الثانية من المادة82.

ويتم اختيار رئيس الجمهورية خلال مدة لا تتجاوز ستين يوما من تاريخ خلو منصب الرئاسة.

مادة(82): إذا قام مانع مؤقت يحول دون مباشرة رئيس الجمهورية لاختصاصاته أناب عنه نائب رئيس الجمهورية أو رئيس مجلس الوزراء عند عدم وجود نائب لرئيس الجمهورية أو تعذر نيابته عنه، ولا يجوز لمن ينوب عن رئيس الجمهورية طلب تعديل الدستور أو حل مجلس الشعب أو مجلس الشوري أو إقالة الوزارة.

The constitution gives Mubarak the right to transfer all his powers to his VP, in that case Omar Sulieman, while remaining in office.

Saying we do not have time for changes is not good enough of an argument. We are talking about rebuilding a whole new future for Egypt, so they need to make time for that. The presidential elections can easily be delayed a few months (late November, possibly later if needed).

Who says the NDP would win a majority? We have no proof of that. The NDP is currently a much weaker party, and other party's were never given enough space or freedom to practice their political rights. We can not change the constitution with an illegitmate parliament, it makes no sense. How can we rebuild Egypt with a parliament based primarily on fraud. Rebuilding Egypt begins with dissolving parliament, in my opinion. Fathy Seror can not be reappointed as speaker of parliament, and same for Safwat ElSherif as speaker of the Shura council.

Egypt has created $854 mln fund to compensate people for property damaged during political unrest http://www.alarabiya.net/en_default.html

Major Announcement Imminent From Egypt State TV; There's A Rumor That Mubarak Will Step Down



Hosni Mubarak speechUPDATE: Now a major announcement is imminent from state TV.

Al-Arabiya says a rumor spread through Egypt this morning that the president has agreed to step down with certain guarantees. This produced celebrations and a tremendous feeling of relief in the crowd at Tahrir Square, says a commentator on Al-Jazeera.

However it remains just a rumor. Developing.

There are other signs that today could be a turning point, like the decision to air protest footage on Egyptian TV. And as the protestors stay peaceful, Mubarak can no longer play the chaos card.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/theres-a-rumor-that-mubarak-has-agreed-to-step-down-2011-2#ixzz1D0NiYVeB


http://www.businessinsider.com/theres-a-rumor-that-mubarak-has-agreed-to-step-down-2011-2

Oh my godness, cannot stop laughing :rofl:

Looool, Ya gama3a must watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=499002572252
Cannot stop laughing
Egyptians are the best

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

God :rofl:

Oh my godness, cannot stop laughing :rofl:

Looool, Ya gama3a must watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=499002572252
Cannot stop laughing
Egyptians are the best

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Oh my god,i'm sorry if this is a little mean but i always wonderd what crazy people do in such events :lol::lol::lol:
hope the best for egypt btw !!

The last time a ruler of #Egypt was called "our father" was in the time of the pharaohs... #Suleiman & #Shafiq must leave w/ #Mubarak #Jan25

Shoran 6y 4 ever

Is it a ghost in 10:27 who appears in green? Looks like a warrior with a horse :eek2::runaway:

http://www.msnbc.msn...400327#41400327

Fixed link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41400327#41400327

even the spirits are fighting back :runaway:

Are the riots big today?

Are the riots big today?

Millions in Cairo and Alexandria, and hundreds of thousands in other cities. Mostly peaceful; just protesting, no "rioting" today. :)

Great, any response from the government?

Great, any response from the government?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WacFDrtP66o/S8j_jzUYiEI/AAAAAAAAAqk/BRroh0Pg3MQ/s400/bush_finger_flip.jpg

I just noticed this thread is so dead you guys lost lots of the updates.

I added my friend on my BBM and talked to other on fb, pretty sad and shocking.

Did you guys see that video on al jazeera? the Diplomat's car that went right through the protesters, people where flying :cripes:

A7a ya M3ara%s ya MHM
_cWOK0Lfh7w
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This is why Mubarack must be executed and all of the corrupt politicians and rich men.This video brought tears to my eyes.

Spontaneous pro-Mubarak sentiment erupts from everyday Egyptians trained in the art of whip-based crowd control.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-2-2011/mess-o-slightly-to-the-left-o-potamia---pro-mubarak-demonstrators

I can't make the job alone ya Abdo... I have work at the moment and had school.... Egypt69 dissapeared :(

I know I had a very busy week, as my computer is connected to the TV screen so I watch TV and cant keep on switching just annoying. so I follow here using my phone. I'll try and keep you guys updated with the major highlights.

egypt69 would probably be busy with school too, I check his profile and he's online now so don't worry.

I'm here guys, but I'm at school most of the day. I follow on Twitter and news site from my phone.

^^ lol see, I do the same. My friends keep on making jokes about me all day. today one pulled the newspaper front page and told me LOOK! I said ya I know what? he went Egyptians do really have sense of humour :lol: but ya. I also get live updates from my friends on Egypt they talking to me 24/7.

Moussa considers run for Egypt's presidency

Paris--The secretary-general of the Arab League says he would consider running in elections to replace embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Amr Moussa says he expects Mubarak to remain in his post until his term ends in seven months, though "there are extraordinary things happening and there is chaos, maybe he will make a different decision."

Moussa says he believes it would be impossible to organize new elections quickly.

He also says he would consider a role in a transitional government. Asked about a potential run for the presidency, he responded, "why say no?"

Moussa spoke to France's Europe 1 radio on Friday. He also said any new government in Egypt "cannot ignore the Muslim Brotherhood," the country's largest opposition group.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/moussa-considers-run-egypts-presidency




Also, some good news:

Prosecution investigates complaints against dismissed interior minister

General Prosecutor Abdel Meguid Mahmoud recieved 25 reports against Habib al-Adli, former Egyptian minister of interior, since 25 January, when riot police withdrew from Cairo streets after attacking protesters in Tahrir Square.

Reports accused al-Adli of instructing police officers to shoot protesters, which led to a number of deaths.

Prosecutors are also investigating reports charging al-Adli with ordering torture in police stations, which resulted in dozens of deaths inside police stations and prisons, terrorizing the citizenry, looting during the protests, and releasing convicted criminals.

Al-Adli has been banned from travel until investigations are concluded.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/prosecution-investigates-complaints-against-dismissed-interior-minister

Dismissed Egyptian housing minister accused of seizing public funds

Informed sources said former Housing Minister Ahmed al-Maghraby, who is currently banned from travel, faces three cases now being investigated by prosecutors concerning the seizure of public funds.

They said al-Maghraby is accused of facilitating the acquisition of public funds and profiteering by selling the Amon Island in Aswan and other state-owned land by direct order to certain businessmen.

Six months ago, Amon Island--a hotel location over an area of 238 acres--was sold to a private company for LE80 million, of which the buyer only paid LE4 million. The contract was later terminated when the company failed to meet the terms of payment.

The island was offered for sale again for another LE80 million only, and the purchasing company refused to pay more than 5 percent of the total price until the sales contract was registered.

It was found out later that the new buying company belonged to al-Maghraby and former Transport Minister Mohamed Mansour, who had in their turn sub-sold the island to a third party.

The deal violates Article 158 of the constitution, which prohibits incumbent ministers from purchasing, renting or leasing state property while in office.

President Hosni Mubarak had at the time intervened and canceled all agreements on the island. He then ordered that it be offered for sale in a public auction on a usufruct basis.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/dismissed-egyptian-housing-minister-accused-seizing-public-funds


I never thought I'd see the day when these notorious ministers would finally be prosecuted!

:lol: but those aren't even 1% of the bad people behind the scenes.


anyways I have a dark felling that Egyptians would prefer Amr Musa than el baradei, what do you guys think?

I'd like to see El Baradei as a president and maybe amr musa foreign minster or vice president. Zweil minster of education maybe el banah prime minster. I was thinking of making a topic so that we see if we can make up a good government with famous figures but it's too early I think.

:lol: but those aren't even 1% of the bad people behind the scenes.

I know, I know...but did you ever think we'd see Habib El Adly...the man responsible for ALL the police torture and brutality, being prosecuted?


anyways I have a dark felling that Egyptians would prefer Amr Musa than el baradei, what do you guys think?

I'd like to see El Baradei as a president and maybe amr musa foreign minster or vice president. Zweil minster of education maybe el banah prime minster. I was thinking of making a topic so that we see if we can make up a good government with famous figures but it's too early I think.


I agree, great choices.

And yeah I agree, I think Egyptians lean more towards Amr Moussa than El Baradei. However I agree with you, El Baradei as President, Amr Musa preferably Foreign Minister, where he can use his diplomatic experience as Secretary General of the Arab league.

And a man of great intelligence and intellectuality like Ahmed Zewail would be an amazing choice for Minister of Education!

Can't wait until the puss comes out the malignant tumor that is called Mohamed Zoheir Garana.

A7a ya M3ara%s ya MHM
_cWOK0Lfh7w
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What the hell, how can they do something like that. :ohno:

^^ lol see, I do the same. My friends keep on making jokes about me all day. today one pulled the newspaper front page and told me LOOK! I said ya I know what? he went Egyptians do really have sense of humour :lol: but ya. I also get live updates from my friends on Egypt they talking to me 24/7.

My friends always say that I watch porn on my phone whenever I sit in the corner and start reading news about Egypt. Just because they're horny bastards they think everyone is. :laugh:

That diplomatic car video is absolutely shocking and disgusting. Someone REALLY has to pay for all this.

I know for a fact that those are the type of vehicles used by the American Embassy. But why would they do that? It doesn't make sense.

Can't wait until the puss comes out the malignant tumor that is called Mohamed Zoheir Garana.

He was also referred to prosecution and banned from leaving the country btw.

Someone might have stole it. :dunno:

What the hell, how can they do something like that. :ohno:



My friends always say that I watch porn on my phone whenever I sit in the corner and start reading news about Egypt. Just because they're horny bastards they think everyone is. :laugh:

:lol::lol: Same I have two of my friends and they're such dirty minded, OMG! but I owned them today Made them go "you actually made us laugh that's the best I have ever heard from this college"

I'll PM ya some stuff you'll laugh ya head off.


anyways back to topic, so they plan to go to million tomorrow too?

:lol::lol: Same I have two of my friends and they're such dirty minded, OMG! but I owned them today Made them go "you actually made us laugh that's the best I have ever heard from this college"

I'll PM ya some stuff you'll laugh ya head off.


anyways back to topic, so they plan to go to million tomorrow too?

Okey. :)

I hope they do, they have to pressure that mf'er to make him resign.

The white van that i have sent yesterday was from the American embassy knowing that american embassy are people from CIA. So who to believe? The american urging egyptian that it was a stolen car from their embassy or it was an american who wanted to create a fitna....

The white van that i have sent yesterday was from the American embassy knowing that american embassy are people from CIA. So who to believe? The american urging egyptian that it was a stolen car from their embassy or it was an american who wanted to create a fitna....

I don't see any reason why an American Embassy staff would want to randomly run over a group of Egyptians. :dunno:


Anyways, I'm attending a protest tomorrow for the second week, with SSC Forumer Ramy_h.

I don't see any reason why an American Embassy staff would want to randomly run over a group of Egyptians. :dunno:


Anyways, I'm attending a protest tomorrow for the second week, with SSC Forumer Ramy_h.

:dunno:

Have fun in the protest . Try to enter the embassy :rofl: hopefully will be a coup . :banana:

:tongue2:



Egypt protesters hold their ground


With protests demanding end to Mubarak's rule entering the 12th day, people in Tahrir Square prepared to wait him out.


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Demonstrators are still standing their ground in the Egyptian capital several hours after hundreds of thousands of protesters gathered in Cairo to call for Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, to quit. down.

The protests entered their twelfth day on Saturday, a day after the city's Tahrir Square, the focal point of protests in Egypt, saw demonstrators observe what they termed a "Day of Departure" for the man who has been the country's leader for the last 30 years.

Mass demonstrations, which commenced after Friday prayers, were also seen in the cities of Alexandria, Mahalla and Giza.

Protests continued into the night, in defiance of a curfew that has not been observed since it was first enforced last week. The newly relaxed curfew now runs from 7pm to 6am local time.

One protester in Cairo told Al Jazeera that demonstrators would continue protesting until Mubarak steps down.

"It's either death, or freedom," he said.

Ahmed Shafiq, Egypt's new prime minister, however, said on Friday that Mubarak would not be handing over powers to Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, before the September elections. In statements carried by the official MENA news agency, Shafiq "ruled out" an early exit for Mubarak.

"We need President Mubarak to stay for legislative reasons," he said.

Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, Egypt's defence minister, visited Tahrir Square earlier on Friday, making him the first member of the government to do so. He talked with the protesters and military commanders.

Speaking on Friday in Washington, Barack Obama, the US president, said it was "clear that there must be a transition process that begins now ... and leads to free and fair elections".

Obama said that a "successful and orderly transition must be meaningful and ... must address the legitimate grievances of those who seek a better future".

He said that in this "time of tumult and transformation", the US would remain a "strong friend and partner" to the Egyptian people.

Standoff in Cairo

Al Jazeera's online producer in Cairo reported that a gunshot was heard in the centre of the capital on Friday afternoon, but no further violence was reported.


Our online producer describes the standoff at Talaat Harb Square
Earlier, about 200 Mubarak loyalists gathered on the 6th of October Bridge, near the square, with another 200 below the bridge.

Our correspondent reported that there was a short standoff between about 300 Mubarak loyalists and pro-democracy protesters in the Talaat Harb square, which is located on a street leading to the main protest centre.

People were throwing rocks at one another, and the Mubarak loyalists were eventually driven from the square.

Our correspondents said that there were up to five layers of checkpoints at some entrances, with makeshift barricades being put up by pro-democracy protesters.

At one point, a huge cheer went up amongst protesters when a false rumour went around saying that the president had stepped down.

Our correspondents have said that pro-democracy protesters have also "overpowered" several people who were suspected of wanting to engage in violence, and delivered them to the army, who are detaining them.

Our online producer termed Tahrir Square a "fully functioning encampment, with medical camps and pharmacies".

Army separating protesters

Soldiers on foot are very visible, and army armoured personnel carriers and tanks have taken up positions to control the 6th of October bridge entrance to the square, our correspondent said.

Another correspondent added that the army appeared to be placing itself so as to separate Mubarak loyalists from pro-democracy protesters, and another correspondent indicated that the army was detaining some Mubarak supporters in order to prevent them from reaching the main square.

"The atmosphere is not quite as triumphal as Tuesday's rally; people then said Mubarak would be out in a matter of hours, but now most of them think it'll be a long time," reported Al Jazeera's online producer from the square.

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Tahrir Square echoes with 'Go Mubarak!' chants

He added that protesters, a diverse array of men, women and children from various economic and religious backgrounds, fear an outbreak of violence and the atmosphere remains tense.

"The feel here is that today is the final day for Mubarak, it's time for him to go," Gigi Ibrahim, a political activist told Al Jazeera from the square.

Some protesters have called for the crowd to begin marching towards the presidential palace.
Amr Moussa, Egypt's former foreign minister and current secretary-general of the Arab League, also spoke to demonstrators.

Earlier, prime minister Shafiq said the interior minister should not obstruct Friday's peaceful marches.

Al Jazeera's offices in Cairo were attacked on Friday by "gangs of thugs", according to a statement from the network. The office was burned, along with the equipment inside it.

Later, Egyptian security forces arrested Al Jazeera's Cairo bureau chief and another Al Jazeera journalist in the capital.

Security forces also broke into the headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood's website and arrested 12 journalists there, Al Masry Al Youm, the country's largest independent newspaper, and the Associated Press reported on Friday.

Egyptian state television has been reporting that the situation in Cairo is currently quiet and calm.

They have not shown footage of the angry protesters, though they have said that they will try to bring some protesters into their studios for interviews.

Meanwhile, Egypt's prosecutor-general has barred Rashid Mohammed Rashid, the former trade and industry minister, from leaving the country, and has frozen his bank accounts, the state news agency MENA said on Friday.

The same measures had earlier been ordered against Habib al-Adly, the former interior minister, and Ahmed Ezz, a businessman.

State-run newspaper Al-Ahram said on Friday that an Egyptian reporter shot during clashes earlier this week had died of his wounds.

The fatality is the first reported death of a journalist during the wave of anti-government protests.

Mubarak fears 'chaos'

On Thursday, Mubarak said he wanted to leave office, but feared there will be chaos if he did.


Click here for more on Al Jazeera's special coverage.
Speaking to America's ABC television he said: "I am fed up. After 62 years in public service, I have had enough. I want to go."

But he added: "If I resign today, there will be chaos."

Mubarak's government has struggled to regain control of a nation angry about poverty, recession and political repression, inviting the Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's most organised opposition movement - to talks and apologising for Wednesday's bloodshed in Cairo.

In a bid to calm the situation, Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, said on Thursday that Muslim Brotherhood and other opposition groups had been invited to meet the new government as part of a national dialogue.

The Muslim Brotherhood and other opposition actors, including Mohamed ElBaradei, have refused the offer for talks until Mubarak leaves office.

"We demand that this regime is overthrown, and we demand the formation of a national unity government for all the factions," the Muslim Brotherhood said in a statement broadcast by Al Jazeera.

Mohammed Al-Beltagi, a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood, told Al Jazeera on Friday that his organisation has no ambitions to run for the presidency, while ElBaradei said that he would run "if he people ask".

The developments come as the New York Times reports, quoting US officials and Arab diplomats, that the US administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for Mubarak to resign immediately and hand over power to a transitional government headed by Omar Suleiman.

This report, though unconfirmed by the White House, comes after Mubarak's statements on Tuesday where he agreed to give up power in September at the end of his current term.

Bloody clashes

At least 13 people have died and scores were injured over the last two days when Mubarak loyalists launched a counter-attack on pro-democracy protesters.

The Egyptian health ministry put the number of wounded at up to 5,000 since the start of the protests.


Protesters chanted 'He must go!'
The army took little action on Wednesday while the fighting raged in Tahrir Square over the past two days.

The interior ministry has denied it ordered its agents or officers to attack prior pro-democracy demonstrations.

Suleiman said that the government would not forcefully remove protesters. "We will ask them to go home, but we will not push them to go home," he said.

Ahead of Friday's mass protests, eyewitnesses told Al Jazeera that thugs, with the assistance of security vehicles, were readying to attack the square. They said protesters were preparing to confront them.

Protesters also reported finding petrol bombs on security personnel dressed in civilian clothes.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112541240504912.html

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Guys, a VERY very great and interesting development has come up:

Egypt youth to announce formation of 25-person negotiating body, including Baradei, Zewail and Moussa

The coalition of youth movements providing field leadership to the pro-democracy protesters is to announce, tomorrow, the formation of a 25-person committee mandated to negotiate with the Egyptian state

http://english.ahram.org.eg/Media/News/2011/2/4/2011-634324416063829460-382.jpg


Members of the coalition of youth movements, which triggered the 25 April popular uprising and have since provided field leadership to the occupation of Tahrir Sq have agreed on mandating a 25-person committee of public and political figures to negotiate on behalf of the pro-democracy protesters, lawyer Ziad El-Eleimy, a leading member of one of the youth movements and a close associate of Mohamed El-Baradei, revealed to Ahram Online.

According to El-Eleimy, the 25-person committee is to include an assemblage of Egyptian luminaries, among whom the former director of the International Atomic Energy Agency and Nobel laureate, El-Baradei, himself. Another Egyptian Nobel laureate on the committee is Ahmed

Zewail, a professor of chemistry and physics at the famed California Institute of Technology (Caltec), who also sits on US President Barak Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. Over the past few years, Zewail has been increasingly vocal in criticizing the Egyptian regime for its lack of democracy. Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, who retains wide popularity among Egyptian and Arab publics is also expected to be a member of the committee.

Not surprisingly, these three public figures have been among the names suggested as possible candidates for the presidency, once President Mubarak steps down.

The full list of members is to be announced tomorrow Saturday, said El-Eleimy, but preferred not to disclose as yet how that announcement is to be made.

He did stress, however, that the committee is to include five representatives of the youth movements.

As to when, and under which terms, the committee would enter into negotiations, El-Eleimy indicated that this would depend either on President Mubarak stepping down, or the announcement of a credible commitment to his stepping down within a specified, and short, period of time.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/5005/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-youth-to-announce-formation-of-person-negoti.aspx

Wow that's like a Freedom & Democracy all-star team!

An excellent group of people, all highly educated, secular, moderates with diplomatic experience, and people who really do love their country and want the best for it and the Egyptian people :cheers:

2 Nobel Laureates too....it would be a dream come true seeing these people as our new government!


Also, this statement by the protesters is an excellent read, basically a "how to beat Mubarak" guide, and where to go from now:


Egyptians issue statement to sustain movement

In only two weeks, the Egyptian opposition’s nonviolent mobilization in the streets and squares of Cairo has shaken the foundation of a dictatorship and created new political space and activism among ordinary Egyptians. It has also achieved significant gains—eliminating Mubarak’s chance of running for re-election; removing the possibility that his son, Gamal, will succeed him; winning overwhelming international sympathy; and increasing the likelihood that a stable transition to genuine democracy will unfold in Egypt in the next weeks. In so doing, it appears to have undermined the ability of the Egyptian army to act submissively to any plan for general repression, although the degree of the army’s remaining loyalty is not fully known.

The movement’s primary means of achieving these gains have been through mass demonstrations, marches, and the general strike – reinforced by the regime’s shut-down of the internet — that has accompanied the mobilization. The disruptive power of these nonviolent tactics has proven strong enough to withstand repression by the regime’s police and private agents, and the use of plainclothesmen and provocateurs to instigate violence.

Scenarios for how this situation may evolve are numerous, and no one can predict the outcome. If the history of conflicts between nonviolent movements and autocratic regimes is any guide, however, two points are likely to hold:

1. Regardless of the short-term outcome—whether Hosni Mubarak stays in power, or not, and if so whoever replaces him—the Egyptian opposition will need to continue to exert pressure in order to make sure that it shapes the outcome of the ongoing civil struggle for power that will unfold simultaneously with an eventual period of negotiations and institutional transition.

2. The kind of large-scale, physical, centralized tactics—demonstrations, marches, and general strikes—that have been most effective for the opposition thus far are not easily sustained continuously for periods of months. While disrupting the government in the short term, such tactics are also costly for the opposition in terms of physical fatigue, lost income for families, and the reduction of morale for participants who are disappointed when full victory has not been instantaneous.

These two realities indicate that the Egyptian opposition’s success in the long-term may hinge in part on its ability to innovate tactically and engage in a diversity of sustained nonviolent actions that maintain pressure in a variety of ways—political, economic, and even social—on the residual structure of the regime.

Deciding what those tactics might be requires detailed analysis that only those on the ground in Egypt can do. One question to be answered is where to target new tactics. Those with detailed knowledge of the remaining key loyal individuals and groups maintaining the regime’s pillars of support – such as key banks and financial institutions, oligarchs atop export industries, the security services and army — are best positioned to answer that question by analyzing what the long-term interests and short-term vulnerabilities of those individuals and organizations are. As their interests are jeopardized, they will see the merit of adjusting politically to the increased likelihood of a government with a much different character.

For example, businesses usually value sustaining profits over loyalty to any given political leaders. If businesses that remain supportive of the regime become convinced that as long as he remains in power, they will lose money (for example through targeted domestic consumer boycotts; international boycotts; interruptions in supply lines; or work slow-downs, limited strikes or stay-at-homes by labor groups), they will likely shift their support from the residual regime and encourage more rapid change.

In another example, members of the military and police who may be loyal because they fear the personal consequences that a political transition may have for them should receive sustained targeted communications by members of the opposition that those who serve and protect the people of Egypt—as opposed to the corrupt rule of a dictator and his ruling circle—will be regarded as having a higher patriotism and having a key role to play in the future of Egypt. In other nonviolent struggles, such as in Ukraine in 2004, retired members of the military were actively recruited by the movement and served a key role in carrying out this communication function with current military officers.

The time to target the remaining key supporters of Mubarak could not be more ripe. Having already stated that he will not run in the September presidential election, Mubarak’s influence and that of his key lieutenants is already fading, even though it may not yet be visible. The use of xenophobia and conspiracy theories, to try to allege that indigenous protests have been carried out by foreign agents, show a kind of regime panic that is not consistent with rational decisonmaking. Each individual and group that has stood with Mubarak in the past now has to make a new calculation about whom to ally with and what to do in the changing political reality. As confusion and uncertainty set in among them, focused tactics by the opposition can have a significant influence on tipping the balance.

Once targets are selected, another consideration in tactical innovation is deciding what tactics will be most effective. The answer to this question depends on an assessment of what tactics the opposition is capable of executing and for how long they can be sustained. As stated, some tactics, such as mass demonstrations and marches, require substantial resources by the opposition in order to be maintained for weeks on end. Those tactics also often involve the greatest risk of violent repression and the highest likelihood that those in the opposition will be provoked into violence as well.

As the opposition maps the coming weeks, it may therefore want to consider carefully where, when, and for how long such tactics should be used. Other tactics usable by all Egyptians, such as consumer boycotts or withdrawing money from certain financial institutions, often involve less risk to individuals and can often (depending on what goods or institutions are boycotted) be conducted with relatively less personal sacrifice. Furthermore, a large variety of people can often participate in tactics such as targeted boycotts without sacrificing their family earnings and without fearing that they will be arrested. Most importantly, such boycotts can still be highly disruptive to a regime.

These are just a few examples of diverse tactics that a movement can choose. There are many more. In 1973, the scholar Gene Sharp identified 198 different methods of nonviolent action. Since that time, hundreds more have been created, because nonviolent resistance is incredibly adaptable and creative. From large scale mobilizations such as strikes, boycotts, and demonstrations; to capacity building actions such as the creation of new organizations (social services, labor, educational, and so forth); to smaller scale actions such as the active recruitment by the opposition of a regime supporter’s friends and family; nonviolent movements have found ways to build their capacity, make their voices heard, and exert power on their adversaries. Regardless of short-term developments tomorrow, next week or next month, the Egyptian opposition’s use of diverse and innovative tactics, which are targeted for maximum impact, will enable it to open new fronts in its struggle, and sustain the kind of pressure that is needed to consolidate gains throughout the transition process.

** This is a statement from the youth leadership of the protesters.

http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=25584

^^ Very true and well said. Good to see they know what they're doing.


Also, today a Muslim Brotherhood leader has announced that the group has no plans to present a presidential candidate or be part of any coalition government in the future.

Mubarak Family May Have as Much as Billion Stashed Away, Experts Estimate


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/egypt-mubarak-family-accumulated-wealth-days-military/story?id=12821073&page=2



Many others will be brought in justice


I heard this but am not 100% sure if I believe it as this would be more than Bill Gates... Bill's is in stock options etc and subject to market volitivity, whereas Mubarak's would be in cash and artefacts.

Still Egypt's GDP is about 180bn, so he would have only been taking 1% per annum for 30 years so I guess it could be possible.

latest..

Report: Gas pipeline ablaze in Egypt in suspected terrorist attack

from http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/05/egypt.pipeline/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A gas pipeline was set on fire in the Egyptian Sinai town of El Arish Saturday in a suspected terrorist attack, the country's state media reported.
State-run Nile TV described it as "one of the main gas pipelines" there. The state-run MENA news agency said it was a suspected terrorist attack.
The governor of Sinai told Nile TV that the fire was a sabotage attempt. Flames were under control, he said, and firefighters were working to extinguish the blaze.
On Friday a government official told CNN a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at state security headquarters in El Arish.
The official, who asked not to be named because he is not authorized to speak about the incident, said the strike caused a fire but there were no casualties.

p/s: Is it Mr Mubarak is up to something? I dont know.. someone are trying to destroy Egypt economy, i guess..

what's this about I hear about tanks being used against the protesters?

BREAKING:

Hosni Mubarak, Gamal Mubarak and Safwat El Sharif have all resigned from the Ruling
National Democratic Party.

No need for Celebration...^he might as well have quit as head of a local golf club, he's still president.

This shows Mubarak is working on his party and not the constitution, ^he still wants it to stay in power. He's not making progress, or the concessions ^he promised.

Is this good news or bad news?

^^ what do you reckon?

According to the law if I'm not mistaken. you cant run for presidency if you are not in a party unless you get certain votes from people in the parliament say okay let him run. and you need to be part of a party for a year to be eligible to run. so what do ya think?

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You took it off ma twitter :colbert:

^^ Busted. :laugh:

^^ what do you reckon?

According to the law if I'm not mistaken. you cant run for presidency if you are not in a party unless you get certain votes from people in the parliament say okay let him run. and you need to be part of a party for a year to be eligible to run. so what do ya think?

I've never heard of that law but if that means that Mubarak (and his son) really isn't running for presidency in September. :banana:

Mubarak's phantom presidency

As the world watches Egyptian society transform, various interest groups jockey for position in the new political order.

The "March of Millions" in Cairo marks the spectacular emergence of a new political society in Egypt. This uprising brings together a new coalition of forces, uniting reconfigured elements of the security state with prominent business people, internationalist leaders, and relatively new (or newly reconfigured) mass movements of youth, labour, women's and religious groups. President Hosni Mubarak lost his political power on Friday, January 28.

On that night the Egyptian military let Mubarak's ruling party headquarters burn down and ordered the police brigades attacking protesters to return to their barracks. When the evening call to prayer rang out and no one heeded Mubarak's curfew order, it was clear that the old president been reduced to a phantom authority. In order to understand where Egypt is going, and what shape democracy might take there, we need to set the extraordinarily successful popular mobilisations into their military, economic and social context. What other forces were behind this sudden fall of Mubarak from power? And how will this transitional military-centred government get along with this millions-strong protest movement?

Many international media commentators – and some academic and political analysts – are having a hard time understanding the complexity of forces driving and responding to these momentous events. This confusion is driven by the binary "good guys versus bad guys" lenses most used to view this uprising. Such perspectives obscure more than they illuminate.

There are three prominent binary models out there and each one carries its own baggage: (1) People versus Dictatorship, a perspective that leads to liberal naïveté and confusion about the active role of military and elites in this uprising; (2) Seculars versus Islamists, a model that leads to a 1980s-style call for "stability" and Islamophobic fears about the containment of the supposedly extremist "Arab street"; or, (3) Old Guard versus Frustrated Youth, a lens which imposes a 1960s-style romance on the protests but cannot begin to explain the structural and institutional dynamics driving the uprising, nor account for the key roles played by many 70-year-old Nasser-era figures.

To map out a more comprehensive view, it may be helpful to identify the moving parts within the military and police institutions of the security state and how clashes within and between these coercive institutions relate to shifting class hierarchies and capital formations. I will also weigh these factors in relation to the breadth of new non-religious social movements and the internationalist or humanitarian identity of certain figures emerging at the centre of the new opposition coalition.

Picking a paradigm

Western commentators, whether liberal, left or conservative, tend to see all forces of coercion in non-democratic states as the hammers of "dictatorship" or as expressions of the will of an authoritarian leader. But each police, military and security institution has its own history, culture, class-allegiances, and, often its own autonomous sources of revenue and support as well. It would take many books to lay this all out in detail; but let me make a brief attempt here. In Egypt, the police forces (al-shurta) are run by the Interior Ministry, which was very close to Mubarak and the Presidency and had become politically co-dependent on him.

But police stations gained relative autonomy during the past decades. In certain police stations this autonomy took the form of the adoption of a militant ideology or moral mission; or some Vice Police stations have taken up drug running; or some ran protection rackets that squeezed local small businesses. The political dependability of the police, from a bottom-up perspective, is not high. Police grew to be quite self-interested and entrepreneurial on a station-by-station level.

In the 1980s, the police faced the growth of "gangs", referred to in Egyptian Arabic as baltagiya. These street organisations had asserted self-rule over Cairo’s many informal settlements and slums. Foreigners and the Egyptian bourgeoisie assumed the baltagiya to be Islamists but they were mostly utterly unideological. In the early 1990s the Interior Ministry decided "if you can’t beat them, hire them".

So the Interior Ministry and the Central Security Services started outsourcing coercion to these baltagiya, paying them well and training them to use sexualised brutality (from groping to rape) in order to punish and deter female protesters and male detainees alike. During this period, the Interior Ministry also turned the State Security Investigations (SSI - mabahith amn al-dawla) into a monstrous threat, detaining and torturing masses of domestic political dissidents.

Autonomous from the Interior Ministry we have the Central Security Services (Amn al-Markazi). These are the black uniformed, helmeted men that the media refer to as "the police". Central Security was supposed to act as the private army of Mubarak. These are not revolutionary guards or morality brigades like the basiji who repressed the Green Movement protesters in Iran. By contrast, the Amn al-Markazi are low paid and non-ideological. Moreover, at crucial times, these Central Security brigades have risen up en masse against Mubarak himself to demand better wages and working conditions.

Perhaps if it weren’t for the sinister assistance of the brutal baltagiya, they would not be a very intimidating force. The look of unenthusiastic resignation in the eyes of Amn al-Markazi soldiers as they were kissed and lovingly disarmed by protesters has become one of the most iconic images, so far, of this revolution. The dispelling of Mubarak’s authority could be marked to precisely that moment when protesters kissed the cheeks of Markazi officers who promptly vanished into puffs of tear gas, never to return.

Evolving military power

The Armed Forces of the Arab Republic of Egypt are quite unrelated to the Markazi or police and see themselves as a distinct kind of state altogether. One could say that Egypt is still a "military dictatorship" (if one must use that term) since this is still the same regime that the Free Officers’ Revolution installed in the 1950s. But the military has been marginalised since Egyptian President Anwar Sadat signed the Camp David Accords with Israel and the United States. Since 1977, the military has not been allowed to fight anyone. Instead, the generals have been given huge aid payoffs by the US. They have been granted concessions to run shopping malls in Egypt, develop gated cities in the desert and beach resorts on the coasts. And they are encouraged to sit around in cheap social clubs.

These buy-offs have shaped them into an incredibly organised interest group of nationalist businessmen. They are attracted to foreign investment, but their loyalties are economically and symbolically embedded in national territory. As we can see when examining any other case in the region (Pakistan, Iraq, the Gulf), US military-aid money does not buy loyalty to America; it just buys resentment. In recent years, the Egyptian military has felt collectively a growing sense of national duty, and has developed a sense of embittered shame for what it considers its "neutered masculinity": its sense that it was not standing up for the nation's people.

The nationalistic Armed Forces want to restore their honour and they are disgusted by police corruption and baltagiya brutality. And it seems that the military, now as "national capitalists", have seen themselves as the blood rivals of the neoliberal "crony capitalists" associated with Hosni Mubarak’s son Gamal who have privatised anything they can get their hands on and sold the country’s assets off to China, the US, and Persian Gulf capital.

Thus we can see why in the first stage of this revolution, on Friday January 28, we saw a very quick "coup" of the military against the police and Central Security, and disappearance of Gamal Mubarak (the son) and of the detested Interior Minister, Habib el-Adly. However, the military is also split by some internal contradictions. Within the Armed Forces there are two elite sub-branches, the Presidential Guard and the Air Force. These remained closer to Mubarak while the broader military turned against him.

This explains why you can had the contradictory display of the General Chief of the Armed Forces, Muhammad Tantawi, wading in among the protesters to show support on January 30, while at the same time, the chief of the Air Force was named Mubarak's new Prime Minister and sent planes to strafe the same protesters. This also explains why the Presidential Guard protected the Radio/Television Building and fought against protesters on January 28 rather than siding with them.

The Vice President, Omar Soleiman, named on January 29, was formerly the head of the Intelligence Services (al-mukhabarat). This is also a branch of the military (not of the police). Intelligence is in charge of externally-oriented secret operations, detentions and interrogations (and, thus, torture and renditions of non-Egyptians). Although since Soleiman’s mukhabarat did not detain and torture as many Egyptian dissidents in the domestic context, they are less hated than the mubahith.

The Intelligence Services (mukhabarat) are in a particularly decisive position as a "swing vote". As I understand it, the Intelligence Services loathed Gamal Mubarak and the "crony capitalist" faction, but are obsessed with stability and have long, intimate relationships with the CIA and the American military. The rise of the military, and within it, the Intelligence Services, explains why all of Gamal Mubarak’s business cronies were thrown out of the cabinet on Friday, January 28, and why Soleiman was made interim VP (and functions in fact as Acting President).

Cementing a new order

This revolution or regime change would be complete at the moment when anti-Mubarak tendencies in the military consolidate their position and reassure the Intelligence Services and the Air Force that they can confidently open up to the new popular movements and those parties coalesced around opposition leader ElBaradei. This is what an optimistic reader might judge to be what Obama and Clinton describe as an "orderly transition".

On Monday, January 31, we saw Naguib Sawiris, perhaps Egypt's richest businessman and the iconic leader of the developmentalist "nationalist capital" faction in Egypt, joining the protesters and demanding the exit of Mubarak. During the past decade, Sawiris and his allies had become threatened by Mubarak-and-son's extreme neoliberalism and their favoring of Western, European and Chinese investors over national businessmen. Because their investments overlap with those of the military, these prominent Egyptian businessmen have interests literally embedded in the land, resources and development projects of the nation. They have become exasperated by the corruption of Mubarak's inner circle.

Paralleling the return of organized national(ist) capital associated with the military and ranged against the police (a process that also occurred during the struggle with British colonialism in the 1930s-50s) there has been a return of very powerful and vastly organized labor movements, principally among youth. 2009 and 2010 were marked by mass national strikes, nationwide sit-ins, and visible labor protests often in the same locations that spawned this 2011 uprising. And the rural areas have been rising up against the government's efforts to evict small farmers from their lands, opposing the regime’s attempts to re-create the vast landowner fiefdoms that defined the countryside during the Ottoman and British Colonial periods.

In 2008 we saw the 100,000 strong April 6 Youth Movement emerge, leading a national general strike. And in 2008 and just in December 2010 we saw the first independent public sector unions emerge. Then just on January 30, 2011, clusters of unions from most major industrial towns gathered to form an Independent Trade Union Federation. These movements are organized by new leftist political parties that have no relation to the Muslim Brotherhood, nor are they connected to the past generation of Nasserism.

They do not identify against Islam, of course, and do not make an issue of policing the secular-religious divide. Their interest in protecting national manufacturing and agricultural smallholdings, and in demanding public investment in national economic development dovetails with some of the interests of the new nationalist capital alliance.

Thus behind the scenes of the non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and Facebook-driven protest waves, there are huge structural and economic forces and institutional realignments at work. Egypt's population is officially recorded at 81 million but in reality goes well beyond 100 million since some parents do not register all their children to shield them from serving in the Amn Al-Markazi or army. With the burgeoning youth population now becoming well-organized, these social and internet-coordinated movements are becoming very important.

They can be grouped into three trends. One group of new movements are organized by and around international norms and organizations, and so may tend toward a secular, globalizing set of perspectives and discourses.

A second group is organized through the very active and assertive legal culture and independent judicial institutions in Egypt. This strong legal culture is certainly not a "Western human rights" import. Lawyers, judges and millions of litigants – men and women, working-class, farmers, and elite – have kept alive the judicial system and have a long unbroken history of resisting authoritarianism and staking rights claims of all sorts.

A third group of new social movements represents the intersection of internationalist NGOs, judicial-rights groups and the new leftist, feminist, rural and worker social movements. The latter group critiques the universalism of UN and NGO secular discourses, and draws upon the power of Egypt’s legal and labor activism, but also has its own innovative strategies and solutions – many of which have been on prominent display on the streets this week.

Eygptian internationalism

One final element to examine here is the critical, and often overlooked role that Egypt has played in United Nations and humanitarian organizations, and how this history is coming back to enliven domestic politics and offer legitimacy and leadership at this time. Muhammad ElBaradei, the former director of the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency, has emerged as the consensus choice of the United Democratic Front in Egypt, which is asking him to serve as interim president, and to preside over a national process of consensus building and constitution drafting. In the 2000s, ElBaradei bravely led the IAEA and was credited with confirming that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that Iran was not developing a nuclear weapons program.

He won the Nobel Prize for upholding international law against a new wave of wars of aggression and for essentially stopping the momentum for war against Iran. He is no radical and not Egypt’s Gandhi; but he is no pushover or puppet of the US, either. For much of the week, standing at his side at the protests has been Egyptian actor Khaled Abou Naga, who has appeared in several Egyptian and American films, and who serves as Goodwill Ambassador for UNICEF. This may be much more a UN-humanitarian led revolution than a Muslim Brotherhood uprising. This is a very twenty-first century regime change – simultaneously local and international.

It is a good time to remind ourselves that the first-ever United Nations military-humanitarian peacekeeping intervention, the UN Emergency Force, was created with the joint support of Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser and US President Dwight D. Eisenhower (both military men, of course) in 1960 to keep the peace in Gaza and to stop the former colonial powers and Israel from invading Egypt in order to retake the Suez Canal and resubordinate Egypt.

Then in the 1990s, Egypt’s Boutros Boutros-Ghali served as the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Boutros-Ghali articulated new UN doctrines of state-building and militarized humanitarian intervention. But he got fired for making the mistake of insisting that international human rights and humanitarian law needed to be applied neutrally and universally, rather than only at the convenience of the Security Council powers.

Yet Egypt’s relationship to the UN continues. Notably, ‘Aida Seif Ad-Dawla, one of the most articulate, brave and creative leaders of the new generation of Egyptian social movements and feminist NGOs, is a candidate for the high office of UN Rapporteur on Torture. Egyptians have a long history for investing in and supporting international law, humanitarian norms and human rights.

Egyptian internationalism insists on the equal application of human rights principles and humanitarian laws of war even in the face of superpower pressure. In this context, ElBaradei's emergence as a leader makes perfect sense. Although this internationalist dimension of Egypt’s "local" uprising is utterly ignored by most self-conscious liberal commentators who assume that international means "the West" and that Egypt’s protesters are driven by the politics of the belly rather than matters of principle.

Mubarak is already out of power. The new cabinet is composed of chiefs of Intelligence, Air Force and the prison authority, as well as one International Labor Organization official. This group embodies a hard-core "stability coalition" that will work to bring together the interests of new military, national capital and labor, all the while reassuring the United States.

Yes, this is a reshuffling of the cabinet, but one which reflects a very significant change in political direction. But none of it will count as a democratic transition until the vast new coalition of local social movements and internationalist Egyptians break into this circle and insist on setting the terms and agenda for transition.

I would bet that even the hard-line leaders of the new cabinet will be unable to resist plugging into the willpower of these popular uprisings, one hundred million Egyptians strong.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/20112310511432916.html

Heading out to the protest, salam ya rigala.

Might be posting updates from my twitter account: @ezz94

^^ good luck, I'm watching you :yes:

Azmat I told you to read that thread and you still didn't read it! The problem with el baradei runing for presidency was that he is not in a party.

^^ good luck, I'm watching you :yes:

Azmat I told you to read that thread and you still didn't read it! The problem with el baradei runing for presidency was that he is not in a party.

Argh... I forgot to read it, can you send me a link? :nuts:

^^ Last sentence in the first citation in the first post of this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1102887).
[...]
According to the law if I'm not mistaken. you cant run for presidency if you are not in a party unless you get certain votes from people in the parliament say okay let him run. and you need to be part of a party for a year to be eligible to run. so what do ya think?Sounds almost like an "Iranian democracy" :nuts:

^^ Last sentence in the first citation in the first post of this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1102887).
Sounds almost like an "Iranian democracy" :nuts:

Thank you. :okay:

BREAKING:

Hosni Mubarak, Gamal Mubarak and Safwat El Sharif have all resigned from the Ruling
National Democratic Party.

Amazing news

Egyptian tv denied an assassination attempt on Omar Soleiman. 2 guards of the regime died.

Guys open masr el naharda really important.

Online link please?

Video surfaces of protester shot in the streets of Alexandria, #Egypt (graphic content): http://huff.to/ik0v2x

Ya wlad el kalb. :ohno: The people in the secret police have no hearts.

What's happening on Masr El Naharda?

Government propaganda is what is happening on Masr El Naharda. :)

http://www.masrelnahrda.net/live.php


Forget about everyone there that lady is a shockerrrrr! I'll post what she said when someone upload it on youtube.

Khayri Ramadan and Tamer Amin are traitors, Mahmoud Saad is the only one of those guys who actually deserves respect.

The lady will speak again now make sure you hear her. She simple said what 100 men can't say in the state's tv.

My girlfriend and I attended the solidarity rally in Lexington KY this afternoon. It was a great turnout, even moreso considering that it was blistering cold and windy. The organizers notes kept getting blown away. I was at anti-war rally's early in the Iraq War that didn't draw this many people, later one's drew hundreds though.

(edit: I didn't realize until after I'd posted it but I'm in one of the pictures. I'm the white guy with the green cap, back row, center)

Rally in Lexington supports protesters in Egypt
By Valarie Honeycutt Spears
Lexington Herald-Leader

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A rally calling for the ouster of Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak in downtown Lexington Saturday drew a peaceful but spirited crowd of about 100.

Some carried signs supporting the people in Egypt who have protested in mass for the last several days for Mubarak's 30-year rule to end.

Others who gathered on the square at the Fayette County Courthouse chanted "Democracy, not Hypocrisy."

They called on President Obama and elected leaders representing Kentucky in Washington to support the Egyptian people in their fight for democracy.

"It is a people's rally just like the one in Egypt," said Noha El Maraghi, a native of Egypt and University of Kentucky graduate who organized the event in Lexington.

Maraghi said people from many backgrounds and walks of life came to the rally Saturday.

"I want to support people around the world who want freedom," said Nadia Rasheed, a physician and Iraqi-American who attended. "I live in a country that promotes freedom and democracy and I want that for everybody. In Egypt there has been no freedom or democracy for at least 30 years. I'm here because I'm happy that the people now have a voice.

One of the speakers at the rally was John Pence, a 21-year-old student from The College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Va. who was studying in Egypt and was evacuated Jan. 31 as the protests intensified.

Pence, who is from Indiana, said he was in Lexington Saturday visiting his sister, WLEX-TV anchor Nicole Pence, when he heard about the rally and decided to attend.

In an interview, he described tense moments when looters got out of hand, and on Jan. 29 when "the military was flexing their muscles by flying F-15's low over the ground in Cairo."

"That's when things were starting to get really intense."

Pence told the crowd that his heart went out to the Egyptian people who wanted a peaceful protest.

"There are a lot of unknowns for the Egyptians I left behind, like their food and their jobs," he said later in an interview.

"You hope the most just and transparent message will prevail. Like everyone else, we are still watching and hoping that's the case."

Very nice pics Ian604!

Here are photos I took from a protest I attended today here, as you can see, pretty cold too!


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Guess who? :

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This was our second protest, we had another one last week, and we're going to do it every week till Mubarak steps down. Here are photos I took from last week, our first week:

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And here are the 2 posters I made and took:

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Great pics Egypt69. Keep it up. :)

Great photos.

Is there a site tracking the solidarity demonstrations?

I know there was also one in Louisville which is sixty miles west of here. It would be interesting to see a map of the world with dots for solidarity rallies.

Yv8CED3jr1A


http://www.kharabeesh.com/
Hahaha, this guy is a genius (the guy that makes the videos). :laugh:

^^ HAHAHAHAHAAH! :lol:

lol.. part of my face is on here! On the right hand side in between FROM and NILE (with the grey tuque) hahahah
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haha good spot!

:rofl:
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ElBaradei warns that Egypt protests could turn more violent

Sat Feb 5, 2011 7:51pm EST


By Tom Perry and Sherine El Madany

CAIRO (Reuters) - Unrest in Egypt could turn increasingly vicious, leading opposition activist Mohamed ElBaradei warned on Saturday, as President Hosni Mubarak clung to power after 12 days of demonstrations.

Mubarak has reshuffled his government, and the leadership of his party resigned on Saturday, but the 82-year-old president insists he will stay in office until September polls.

Fearing instability in the most populous Arab nation where Islamists are the most organized opposition, the United States, Egypt's key ally and aid donor, is emphasizing gradual change and the need for talks between the government and opposition groups to forge agreement on an orderly handover of power.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton threw her weight behind talks between Mubarak's handpicked vice president, Omar Suleiman, and opposition groups, saying the government's fragile dialogue with the opposition must be given time to unfold.

"There are forces at work in any society, and particularly one that is facing these kinds of challenges, that will try to derail or overtake the process to pursue their own specific agenda," Clinton told a security conference in Munich.

She did not name the forces, but Washington has expressed concern about any involvement of militant Islamist elements.

"Which is why I think it's important to support the transition process announced by the Egyptian government, actually headed by now Vice President Omar Suleiman."

ElBaradei said it would be a "major setback" if the United States were to support either Mubarak or Suleiman to lead a transitional government to oversee change.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE70O3UW20110206

:rofl:
hz06yhw7nck

:lol: I love Egyptians :lol:


Can't wait to see the day when all these great people are living in freedom.

:lol: I love Egyptians :lol:


Can't wait to see the day when all these great people are living in freedom.

hhhhhhhhh, they deserve it for sure.

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood confirms to Al-Jazeera it is joining talks with Vice President Suleiman http://bit.ly/e9MXDU

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http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150103208633375

worth watching till the end :(

All egyptians living in Canada i invite you to watch CBCNEWS talking about Egypt politic history under Mobarak regime.

I've seen that documentary before on YouTube, on Al Jazeera English's channel.

This?

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Al-Jazeera English video: Egypt's cyber-crackdown aided by U.S. company? http://bit.ly/gjMclr

No, the American company was helping the Egyptians access the internet, I think.

:rofl:
hz06yhw7nck

Egyptian humour beats everything :laugh:

Guys check this video out: :laugh:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150098597498676&comments

I don't know this guy at all, I hope he doesn't mind... :laugh:

:evil: Police shoot and kill unarmed man in the street :evil:

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Egyptian Blogger @Sandmonkey Tells His Story #egypt #jan25

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Egypt panel 'to study constitutional reform'
Egypt's opposition groups - including the banned Muslim Brotherhood - have responded warily to the government's offer to set up a committee on constitutional reform.
The opposition met Vice-President Omar Suleiman after 13 days of protests calling on President Mubarak to resign.

Opposition groups have told the BBC they are sceptical of the government's good faith.

It was the first time the government and the Brotherhood have held talks.

Opposition groups want President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately. He says to do so would cause chaos and has said instead that he will not stand for re-election in September.

State of emergency

The BBC's Jon Leyne, in Cairo, says the opposition members and the so-called "wise men" who were there told him they were sceptical of the government's good faith and so were demanding a series of confidence-building measures.

Those included an immediate end to the state of emergency which has been in force for 29 years and an end to what the opposition describes as incitement to intimidation on state media.

Meanwhile, many banks opened for the first time in a week, with long queues of people forming to withdraw money.

Huge crowds have been on the streets of Cairo and other cities in the past two weeks calling for democratic reforms, and tens of thousands again flocked to the capital's Tahrir Square on Sunday.

Mr Suleiman was hosting the talks on Sunday along with a number of other opposition parties, including Wafd and Tagammu.

Our correspondent says there was a wide array of opposition voices at the talks, along with a number of other "wise men", including top business figure Naguib Sawiris.

Key opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei was not at the talks.

Divided?

State TV said the participants had agreed to form a joint committee of judicial and political figures tasked with suggesting constitutional amendments.

The participants also rejected foreign interference in Egypt's affairs and said they would work towards the peaceful transition of power, the reports said.

Mr Suleiman had invited the groups last week, telling the Muslim Brotherhood it was a "valuable opportunity".

A member of the Brotherhood's leadership, Essam el-Erian, told the BBC that Mr Mubarak's grip on power was weakening.

"We are sitting with the vice-president to see what is the agenda to take the country to stability, to security, to democracy," Mr El-Erian said

"This is the aim and this is the demand of the people. Continuing demonstrations can make pressure to put a timetable which can be short enough."

The Brotherhood had previously said it would not take part in the negotiations.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she supported the Muslim Brotherhood's attendance but would "wait and see" how the dialogue developed.

The Islamist group is Egypt's most influential and well-organised opposition but it remains officially banned and its members and leaders have been subject to frequent repression.

Mr Mubarak has blamed it for the unrest and said that if he leaves, the group will exploit the ensuing political chaos.

The Muslim Brotherhood denies accusations that it is seeking to create an Islamist state in Egypt.

Our correspondent, Jon Leyne, says the Brotherhood is undoubtedly a force in Egypt but it is itself divided and unclear in its intentions.

Economic woes

Hundreds of bank branches across the country and in Cairo opened at 1000 local time (0800 GMT).

Long queues formed at some for the brief opening period - the banks closed again at 1330 local time.

The central bank has released some of its $36bn in official foreign reserves to cover withdrawals, amid fears Egyptians would be panicked into taking out their savings.

Deputy central bank governor Hisham Ramez has said he is confident all transactions will be honoured.

The government is seeking to revive an economy said to be losing at least $310m (£192m) a day.

Many shops, factories and the stock exchange have been closed for days, and basic goods have been running short.

Correspondents say many Egyptians have been wondering how quickly daily life will return to normal regardless of the outcome of the struggle for power.

But they also say there is no let-up in the magnitude of the protests in Tahrir Square, and the mood is almost back to the festival atmosphere of the first few days, with many families and young children in attendance.

Resignations

The US - a key ally of the Mubarak government - has called for a swift transition of power, although it has not explicitly told Mr Mubarak to leave.

It has also encouraged all parties to fully engage in talks.

But there was confusion on Saturday after US special envoy Frank Wisner, who was sent by President Barack Obama to Cairo apparently to urge Mr Mubarak to announce his departure, said he thought Mr Mubarak "must stay in office" to oversee the transition, saying his "continued leadership is critical".

The US state department later distanced itself from the comments, saying they were Mr Wisner's own and were not co-ordinated with the US government.

The leadership of the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP) resigned en masse on Friday, apparently in response to the protests.

Two of Mr Mubarak's allies, including his son Gamal, lost their posts while Hossam Badrawi was appointed secretary general.


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12377179?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Couple got married in Tahrir Square too:

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/Wedding.jpg


From Al jazeera English:

Our correspondent in Cairo says that the Christian Coptic prayers, to be held later in the day, is a way for the Copts to counter claims by state television that most of the protesters are members of the Muslim Brotherhood. She says the Christians want to show they are part of the popular uprising and have the same grievances and demands as the rest of the people.

In a sign of unity, crowds in Tahrir Square are chanting "We are one, we are one" ahead of the prayers to be held at noon for those killed over the past 13 days of protest. "Muslims and Copts hand in hand for a new dawn to rise" is another chant and NadiaE wrote on Twitter: "Off to Tahrir to attend Christian mass. My father - a 73-yr-old ill, bearded conservative Muslim - is with me."

Check out these pics:


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:cheers:

What about that silent minority though?;) I know, I know... I'm nitpicking and I guess this is good enough anyway.:)

^^ No it's okay, elaborate..which silent minority?


Shots fired, Shots fired.

Army just fired into the air near the cordon they set up inside the barricades, near Egyptian museum. Red tracers shooting into the sky. People running towards Egyptian museum for some reason.

I do not agree with constitutional REFORM...the demand should be NEW constitution khalas!

What's wrong with the constitution? The only thing that's wrong is that a president can run for presidency unlimited times and they're going to change it now.

What wrong that people have no freedom and the average egyptian can't feel the economy growth

That has nothing to do with the constitution, the problem is that Mubarak has imposed Emergency Law for 30 years now which means that he can do whatever he wants (such as breaking the constitution).

Well it does, its there job. We gave mubarak 30 year and the ndp more than 50 years I think but they failed to proved the simple stuff.

Those people are happy they have money and live good life. We want someone from the street who feel the people and have different prespectives.

I think you're mixing it up with something else. :)

This is the Egyptian constitution:

http://www.egypt.gov.eg/english/laws/constitution/default.aspx

No no you understood me wrong, if you read there you will find that according to the law atleast 5% of the workforce must be disbaled people. That's low percentage and they don't apply it.

That this you have there doesn't represent the egyptians we never contributed in writing it. If I'm not wrong the whole thing was writen by two people I can't remeber the names now.

Also I was talking about the people how have power over and apply it.

Its more than just couple of lines need change about the precidency its full of errors.


Mubarak introduced those laws about the elections and appied them using emergency law in less than 24 hours. And now he fail to get rid of them using the emergency law?

Everything need to be re-written or we can get rid of all that here in the uk we don't have such thing yet one of the most democratic nations worldwide.

I don't trust the Mubarak regime to change the constitution because he would just mess it up even more, when this regime falls (if it does) the constitution will probably be changed. El Baradei and those guys should write it.

The only thing right now that the current regime should do is change article 77.

Well yes I told you he introduced 77 law using emergency law in less than 24 hours why would it take him 4 months to remove it? Something is wrong he have the power to get rid of it the next min if he want but he is not doing it.

Has he already changed it?

Has he already changed it?

He said he will then Omar Soleiman said it'll take 77 days to change the constitution

He said he will then Omar Soleiman said it'll take 77 days to change the constitution

That's what I heard.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150103208633375

worth watching till the end :(Is it nationalistic/racist or something?
Sorry, but I don't speak the language of Abu Nuwas :(

Is it nationalistic/racist or something?
Sorry, but I don't speak the language of Abu Nuwas :(

Nothing only but football commentor crying...

God please helpppp! I was talking how fast the was introduced in the first place and how slow they going to remove it.

Must watch :D
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150098597498676

Must watch :D
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150098597498676

I posted it before you. :smug:

Guys check this video out: :laugh:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150098597498676&comments

I don't know this guy at all, I hope he doesn't mind... :laugh:

VIDEO #Jan25 Day of Rage - Cairo http://vimeo.com/19512959

Stunnishing imag, i wish i was there!

More footage:
http://vimeo.com/19599346
http://vimeo.com/19539192

*US sends warships, troops to #Egypt
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/164038.html #jan25 #tahrir

*Sophistacated weapons made by Israel delievered to #Egypt http://bit.ly/ft61vQ #Egypt #Jan25 *French Link*

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

JaF0M-jwvik

:rofl::rofl::rofl:rofl:

If Mubarak steps down today, what is most likely to happen is that omar sulleiman will take over and the same system will continue. We therefore have to take advantage of a weakened Mubarak to make fundamental amendments to the constitution to avoid having the same scenario over and over. The main amendments that come to mind without having looked at the constitution recently are the following:
1- Guarantee a real separation of powers (including the none interference of the military in the executive power, I also think that a parliamentary system is more suitable for Egypt)
2- Guarantee the basic human rights (including freedom a speech religion political affiliation, the right for a fair trial, the right of each person not to be detained more than 24hours without being prosecuted)
3- Guarantee a secular state
4- Guarantee of Multi-partisim (that includes the right to create a political party without any governmental authorization or the authorization of the parliament)
5- Guarantee that the presidential elections and the parliamentary elections are supervised by an independent judicial committee
6- Restrict the presidential terms as well as the parliamentary terms
7- Any emergency law is to be decided by the majority of the parliament
8- Concerning the executive power, give more powers and attributions to the prime minister to weaken the role of the president (That is the essaence of the parliamentary regime)
9- Strengthening the role of the parliament by granting it the right to impeach the president and Prime Minister (That is also the essaence of the parliamentary regime)

10- Guarantee a faster and more efficient justice
11- Guarantee the decentralization of the administration

If Mubarak steps down today, what is most likely to happen is that omar sulleiman will take over and the same system will continue. We therefore have to take advantage of a weakened Mubarak to make fundamental amendments to the constitution to avoid having the same scenario over and over. The main amendments that come to mind without having looked at the constitution recently are the following:
1- Guarantee a real separation of powers (including the none interference of the military in the executive power, I also think that a parliamentary system is more suitable for Egypt)
2- Guarantee the basic human rights (including freedom a speech religion political affiliation, the right for a fair trial, the right of each person not to be detained more than 24hours without being prosecuted)
3- Guarantee a secular state
4- Guarantee of Multi-partisim (that includes the right to create a political party without any governmental authorization or the authorization of the parliament)
5- Guarantee that the presidential elections and the parliamentary elections are supervised by an independent judicial committee
6- Restrict the presidential terms as well as the parliamentary terms
7- Any emergency law is to be decided by the majority of the parliament
8- Concerning the executive power, give more powers and attributions to the prime minister to weaken the role of the president (That is the essaence of the parliamentary regime)
9- Strengthening the role of the parliament by granting it the right to impeach the president and Prime Minister (That is also the essaence of the parliamentary regime)

10- Guarantee a faster and more efficient justice
11- Guarantee the decentralization of the administration

I agree, Mubarak has to pave the way for democracy otherwise we'll just end up with the same shit again. We've had 4 presidents (I know, it's sad) so far and the least corrupt president was Anwar Al Sadat and he was pretty corrupt too.

People says that Gamal Abd el Nasser is corrupted, why is he? His wife asked him once to go to Alexandria for vacation. He refused and then said, wait till i get my salary. While Hosny Mobarak could have offered to Suzanne a trip to Italia or something huge. While Sadat, i can't really talk about him but he had Hosny Mobarak next to him which i believe makes him corrupted .

Hosni Mubarak was a great president... the first few years. If Sadat knew what Mubarak was doing now I'm sure he'd be pissed.

You guys should resume life now, but anti-Mubarak style. Have anti Mubarak posters inside your car windows, from your apartment buildings, from shops etc.... you should always honk nastily at the police that shed so much blood, collect every friday in massive gatherings in anti-Mubarak demonstrations, but otherwise just live life as is going.

This way, there will be no standoff, the protest will remain strong, there will be time to think strategy and re-group, etc etc. You have to show you are better than Mubarak but you dont support the fact that he employed those thugs to injure and kill so many people.

You should have never forget monuments for all injured and all martyed.

Dont turn people economically against you, continue the protest, but continue your lives as well. Protest in a style which does not let the world forget but also does not harm your own lives as well. Make the protest move from just Tahrir square to your everyday lives. Do civil disobedience!

OMGGGGGG

Someone have proof that Habib el Adly is the one who did the church explosion in Alexandria to stop the 25 february protest.


While a worker in egyptian bank have access to numbers called Aljazeera to help them because huge number dissapeared from Egypt economy likely to be money transfered outside

OMGGGGGG

Someone have proof that Habib el Adly is the one who did the church explosion in Alexandria to stop the 25 february protest.


While a worker in egyptian bank have access to numbers called Aljazeera to help them because huge number dissapeared from Egypt economy likely to be money transfered outside

I thought the group started after the explosion. wow... that is really low.

People says that Gamal Abd el Nasser is corrupted, why is he? His wife asked him once to go to Alexandria for vacation. He refused and then said, wait till i get my salary. While Hosny Mobarak could have offered to Suzanne a trip to Italia or something huge. While Sadat, i can't really talk about him but he had Hosny Mobarak next to him which i believe makes him corrupted .

It seems like that you know very very little about gamal abdel nasser.

If I told you that he used to kick Egyptians, Famous actors and actress out of there houses and give them houses to foreigners from the west. would that be enough for you to see the corruption side?

Everyone did good and bad, but really is that for the citizen' benefits or themselves? democracy should guarantee us the chance to talk what we think is right or wrong. we will no longer be scared of the government nor the president they will be scared of us, and taking these jobs will be just like a normal Egyptian going to work. they are working to serve us nothing special about them that what we want.

Hosni Mubarak was a great president... the first few years. If Sadat knew what Mubarak was doing now I'm sure he'd be pissed.

hehe, the guy you taking about was a leader in the army before that he was sucking on cows to drink milk. I wont be surprised if he don't have education at all. Great? what did he do that was great? can tell me?

He wasn't even elected, he was picked as a temporary president (I think by the army) and then when it's time for him to go he said give me a chance and let me stay bit longer and that was the case until he glued himself on power by emergency law.

what's so great about that start?

Here ya azmat you asked about this,

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1102887

The other guy already gave me the link, but thanks. :)


hehe, the guy you taking about was a leader in the army before that he was sucking on cows to drink milk. I wont be surprised if he don't have education at all. Great? what did he do that was great? can tell me?

He wasn't even elected, he was picked as a temporary president (I think by the army) and then when it's time for him to go he said give me a chance and let me stay bit longer and that was the case until he glued himself on power by emergency law.

what's so great about that start?

He fixed the infrastructure and repaired the economy. I take back what I said, he wasn't a great president but he did a few good things in the beginning.

He was elected president later by the people (fraud elections, probably).

He fixed the infrastructure and repaired the economy. I take back what I said, he wasn't a great president but he did a few good things in the beginning.

He was elected president later by the people (fraud elections, probably).

:rofl:

wallahi ya 3am enta, mo7taram we 3ala 2ad neyatek.

Infrastrcuture? enta bethazar? the British build an amazing Egypt after the accient Egyptians. we simply had all our roads Huge trees in both side, it was all villas. just watch the b&w films and you will see Cairo better than London at the time.

Now mubarak came say good bye :hi: he destroyed everything! you can still find few places like that but they are in danger of extinct! you also only see then in the upper upper classes areas. (happily I live in one of those places in alex :shifty:)

Economy, well that was only recent not when he started, he saw that countries making numbers he never knew they existed. and at the end of the day all these money goes into his pocket, does the average Egyptian benefits from it? nope! so it's useless IMO.

Guys, I cant think of anytime when was Egypt under a democratic conditions.

let start with the ancient Egyptians, was all about Kings so that's no democracy.
Then we had those religion ages not quite sure
then we had those Turkish kings, still not democracy.
now the army is leading with no democracy.

If this actually work does this mean we going to have democracy for the first time in Egypt's history?

WOOW! I'm so proud to witness this tearful moment.

:rofl:

wallahi ya 3am enta, mo7taram we 3ala 2ad neyatek.

Infrastrcuture? enta bethazar? the British build an amazing Egypt after the accient Egyptians. we simply had all our roads Huge trees in both side, it was all villas. just watch the b&w films and you will see Cairo better than London at the time.

Now mubarak came say good bye :hi: he destroyed everything! you can still find few places like that but they are in danger of extinct! you also only see then in the upper upper classes areas. (happily I live in one of those places in alex :shifty:)

Economy, well that was only recent not when he started, he saw that countries making numbers he never knew they existed. and at the end of the day all these money goes into his pocket, does the average Egyptian benefits from it? nope! so it's useless IMO.

:lol::lol:

Egypt had good infrastracture back when it was a monarchy. I watched a European documentary about Egypt and it said that Mubarak built several new naval ports and airports in the beginning.

It's really sad the the monarch (who wasn't even Egyptian) stepped down almost immediatly but the president has to destroy everything before he leaves.

Btw, I also live in an elite area in Alexandria. :)

true true, but do you really call the airports and ports an infrastructure? for me it sounds like a bribe to shut the army's mouth. but anyways they're used for his benefits in other ways too.

and ya :cheers:

The sad thing is that the bastard names them after himself. :lol:

:cripes: can you believe that the stunning, T3 of Cairo airport is now called Mubarak airport :cripes::cripes: egypt69 haytarba2 el thread dah fo2 rasna we ba3den haynte7er law 3eref so :runaway:

:laugh: Why do they do that, I mean why would he want to name an airport after himself?

kay yafta5er al sha3b be2ngazat haza al malaek al mo7taram, al kadeer alazy mata fe sabel beladeh, kay ya7faz al sha3b 2ngazateh el malhash wala 2wel wala 2kher, de mafesh 2ngazat 2slan!

Clear? or you want it clearer?

:laugh: Clear!! :D

Try to not have tears in your eyes... Sad :(
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^^

Very sad. Ruined my night.

Seriously, the people responsible for the death of the 300 people need to be tried and brought to justice. I cannot describe how angry I am at the 300 innocent Egyptian lives lost.

Investigation are on to see if the government was behind the church bombing (likely to be) but Aljazeera said they had access to proofs. If it really happened then it means that Mobarak was behind this because he had to approve the evil project. They started to feel something of aggresive with the youth generation and they thought of doing something like that to create chaos between both religion which it failed at the first day resulting mass protest against the police.


But people who were jailed said they had proof and were aware it was going to happen.

Mobarak may leave for Germany for health problem.... Not so fast, with the fast repending rumour of the church bombing madesponsored by Mubarak, rumours says that he may be going to Germany as if he was ill and then he dissapear. If Habib El Adly is guilty, he will be sentenced to death and worst... The whole regime will be facing same sentence.

I can't watch the video now, everyone is sleeping here so I can't turn up the volume. What are they talking about?

I'm telling you guys, when this is all over, a memorial needs to be built in Tahrir Square with the names of all the martyrs. And it must be a National holiday, celebrated every year, with an official, national mourning. This the least the 300 martyrs deserve.

I'm telling you guys, when this is all over, a memorial needs to be built in Tahrir Square with the names of all the martyrs. And it must be a National holiday, celebrated every year, with an official, national mourning. This the least the 300 martyrs deserve.

No. If you want a real monument, we must kick the current regime and then put a real monument. It would be shameful to build a monument under Mobarak, Gamal or Omar Soleiman knowing that they were the reason of their death.

Ahmed Ezz fortune worth 18 billion

No. If you want a real monument, we must kick the current regime and then put a real monument. It would be shameful to build a monument under Mobarak, Gamal or Omar Soleiman knowing that they were the reason of their death.

Did I say build it under Mubarak? :?

Obviously I meant after he's gone, and after we reach our goal.

The least thing to do for them right now apart from the monument, is get rid of, and punish those who killed them.

Did I say build it under Mubarak? :?

Obviously I meant after he's gone, and after we reach our goal.

The least thing to do for them right now apart from the monument, is get rid of, and punish those who killed them.

Gone ???? Pfft...

Hosny Mobarak will put his son as president ka wersse when he will be goin to Germany for surgery even if he have to kill 1000 egyptians . Hosny Mobarak is ready to sell his country to have his son as president.

Speaking of EL Adly, aho ibn il wiskha:

Egypt's ex-police chief appears before prosecutors

Former Egyptian Interior Minister Habib el-Adli has appeared before military prosecutors and may face charges of causing a breakdown in order, a security source said on Monday, during protests against President Hosni Mubarak.

The source said Adli, who was in court on Sunday, could be charged with withdrawing security forces from the streets during the uprising, ordering live fire on protesters and releasing prisoners from jail.

After battling massive protests around the country on January 28, security forces suddenly disappeared from the streets of Egypt. Several days of looting and lawlessness followed and many prisoners escaped prison.

Mubarak responded to the protests by appointing a new cabinet and a vice president. The government opened investigations into some ministers and the ruling National Democratic Party removed some senior figures.

The former housing minister, Ahmed el-Maghrabi, appeared before prosecutors on Monday to face charges of wasting public money and seizing state land, the state news agency Mena said.

"The complaints accuse him of violating state property, seizing public money and enriching himself unjustifiably," said the Mena report.

Businessman Ahmed Ezz and former ministers Rachid Mohamed Rachid and Zuhair Garana are also under investigation. All five men are banned from travel abroad and have had their bank accounts frozen.

Rachid has denied wrongdoing. The other men have yet to comment.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/egypts-ex-police-chief-appears-prosecutors

Speaking of EL Adly, aho ibn il wiskha:



http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/egypts-ex-police-chief-appears-prosecutors

Didn't like the article at all. In the following article they don't put the blame on Hosny Mobarak. They only blame Habib el Adly when i believe Hosny Mubarak agreed with all what habib el Adly have done.

Didn't like the article at all. In the following article they don't put the blame on Hosny Mobarak. They only blame Habib el Adly when i believe Hosny Mubarak agreed with all what habib el Adly have done.

Ofcourse they are all to blame, Hosni Mubarak the most because he knows very well about this. Hopefully they'll all face justice, one kalb at a time.




Must watch, all the best scenes from the past 13 days, all in one Video tribute:

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^^ Very, very well done.

Ofcourse they are all to blame, Hosni Mubarak the most because he knows very well about this. Hopefully they'll all face justice, one kalb at a time.




Must watch, all the best scenes from the past 13 days, all in one Video tribute:

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^^ Very, very well done.

^^Not bad but i only listen to Egyptian music :dunno:

I was talking about the video footage, common man, and what's wrong with other music? You've posted foreign music lots of times in the "what music are you listening to" thread :colbert:

Suleiman: The CIA's man in Cairo

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/2/7/20112711592875833_20.jpg

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html

:cripes: can you believe that the stunning, T3 of Cairo airport is now called Mubarak airport :cripes::cripes: egypt69 haytarba2 el thread dah fo2 rasna we ba3den haynte7er law 3eref so :runaway:Calm down. I bet a lot of things will be renamed to "January 25" in few months and in next few years a new monument will be erected in Tahrir square garage Park by the Tahrir Palace commemorating all the victims :yes:

Is there any evaluation of the number of all the victims during Mubarak era (especially those political victims, but not only) ?

I'm not a big fan of "monuments destroyers", but Mubarak's name should be carved off from all the public places, just like some Pharaohs' cartouches were carved off in the past :sleepy:

Try to not have tears in your eyes... Sad :(
fSKuFpSJzMU

I watched the video now, I haven't cried like this since I was 5. Allah yekhreb betak ya Mubarak zay ma enta kharabt betna. Rabena yaghdak ya akhi.

I was talking about the video footage, common man, and what's wrong with other music? You've posted foreign music lots of times in the "what music are you listening to" thread :colbert:

Ya 3am khalas.... Matefda7nsh.... El oghneya gamda fa7t....:lol:

*French Prime Minister Francois Fillon admits President Mubarak lent him a plane and paid for a family holiday in #Egypt, from AFP

*Tahrir protesters have officially outgrown the square and seeking to expand to new ground. defining moment. What will the army do? #egypt

*Reuters: Egypt frees political detainees as part of reforms http://bit.ly/fbGHd3 #Egypt #Jan25

Ya 3am khalas.... Matefda7nsh.... El oghneya gamda fa7t....:lol:

:laugh:

Tamer Hosny and Amr Adib went to Tahrir today

Klab el etnen, they both support Mubarak and they always have.

I love that Omar Suleiman calls MB "The Brother Muslimhood" - http://t.co/bNWEq7j LOL

#Suez Canal workers start an open-ended strike http://bit.ly/eh6xOa #Jan25 #Tahrir #Egypt

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:rofl::rofl:

#Mubarak's new transition plan calls for the gradual transfer of $40 billion from #Egypt to Switzerland. #Jan25

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Mubarak loses control of media. #Egypt Al Ahram now supports uprising http://bit.ly/fIUmNr #jan25

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167369_190949774262088_138915376132195_588170_239263_n.jpg

Is Hosni Mubarak the world's richest man?
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak may be the world's richest man with an estimated fortune of $70 billion dollars, according to reports.
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is likely the world's richest man, with an estimated fortune of $70 billion dollars.

Media reported Monday that Mubarak's family fortune could be as high as $70 billion, much of it in Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in New York, Los Angeles and London.

The $70 billion dollars would put the 82-year-old comfortably ahead of Mexican business magnate Carlos Slim Helu, worth about $53.5 billion dollars, and Microsoft founder Bill Gates, the richest American with $53 billion.

According to Princeton political science professor Amaney Jamal, quoted by ABC, Mubarak’s three-decade rule in Egypt had kept him in a perfect spot to get a piece of any government action.

Mubarak, his wife and two sons were able to also accumulate wealth through a number of business partnerships with foreigners, Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East Politics at Durham University in England, told ABC. Egyptian law requires that foreigners give a local business partner a 51 percent stake in most ventures.

Meanwhile, Egyptian press reported that investigators were looking into the hidden wealth of Mubarak's allies, which ranged from the $3 billion of party insider Ahmed Ezz to the $1.2 billion of former interior minister Habib Ibrahim El-Adly.

Five hated cronies of Mubarak each amassed fortunes topping $1 billion, according to military prosecutors preparing criminal cases again them in the latest government concession meant to defuse the two-week-old Egyptian crisis.

Three of them, former Cabinet ministers, tried to flee the country over the weekend but were denied permission, Cairo airport sources told Al-Masry Al-Youm, Egypt's largest independent newspaper.

“There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain. This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators,” Princeton's Jamal told ABC News.

Protesters have cited government corruption as a reason they are demanding Mubarak's ouster.

Mubarak's family wealth reportedly dates back to when Mubarak was an air force officer and in a position to benefit from corporate corruption on military contracts, mainly through business partnerships with foreign investors.

Jamal told ABC that Mubarak's assets are most likely in banks outside of Egypt, possibly in the United Kingdom and Switzerland.

"This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators so their wealth will not be taken during a transition, she said. "These leaders plan on this."

Meanwhile, on Monday Cairo tried to shore up one of its biggest sources of support, Egypt's civil service, by announcing a 15 percent pay hike for 6 million government workers.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/egypt/110208/mubarak-world-richest-man-billionaire

Just imagine how much Egypt could have done with that money, invest in education, health care, infrastructure, clean the streets etc. What an asshole.

Source: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8535844.ab

Largest protest in Egypt so far
Release of Wael Ghonim gives new hope

The demonstrations in Egypt has now entered a new strong wave.
The release of Google Director Wael Ghonim believed to be the explanation.

- He's a leader for them, "said a reporter for Al Jazeera.

The demonstrations in Cairo has entered the 15th day - and, according to data the largest so far.

Requires resignation

Hundreds of thousands of people find themselves in and around Tahrir Square and require President Hosni Mubarak's immediate resignation.

- Very many are on their way to the marketplace to demonstrate. In the past, called you people to come to the square just today. Many came in the afternoon after work, "said Aftonbladet reporter Mr Lindberg on location in Cairo.

Monday's release of Google Director Wael Ghonim has given new impetus to the protest movement, and many believe he is seen as a leader among Egyptian youth.

"People's Revolution"

- He is very sharp and we are keen to find the young leadership of his caliber. We must recognize the importance of his involvement, but there are also a people's revolution, "said Wael Nawara, secretary general of the opposition party Al-Ghad, said.

After the release was Wael Ghonim an emotional speech that appears to have been yet more people than before to get to Tahrir Square. He stressed that he did not see himself as a leader.

Ghonim on the square

- The heroes are those on the streets - we are all heroes. There are none of us standing on a pedestal and leads the masses, do not let anyone fool you into believing it, "said Ghonim.

According to the AP has Wael Ghonim taken it upon himself to Tahrir Square during Tuesday afternoon, and a connection to the great mass of the day continued to demonstrate.

Mubarak is resisting

In order to pacify the people, President Mubarak on Tuesday established a committee to monitor the implementation of the reforms he promised. The two Committees shall be as Vice President Omar Suleiman start work immediately.


I translated it with GT so there might be a few grammatic errors.

Illinois troops part of existing peacekeeping force in Egypt

By Stephen DiBenedetto Staff Reporter Feb 8, 2011 02:36AM


Though they have drawn little attention during the upheaval rocking Cairo, more than 800 U.S. troops — about half from Illinois — are already on Egyptian soil in the Sinai Peninsula and potentially could be tapped for evacuation or other contingency operations.

The American troops include about 440 soldiers from the Illinois Army National Guard’s 2nd Battalion, 123rd Field Artillery Regiment and are part of a multinational peacekeeping force established in 1982 after the signing of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty.

That pact barred any military buildup on the border between Egypt and Israel. Until now, the world has largely ignored the peacekeeping force, so uneventful has been their nearly three decades on watch in the desert.

The force — located in Sinai, Egypt, hundreds of miles away from the riots in Cairo — still figures in emergency plans.

But so far, the only trouble the soldiers have encountered involved the loss of communications when Egypt’s government shut down the Internet and cellular networks.

The regiment is based in Milan, near the Quad Cities.

Stephen DiBenedetto , with Scripps Howard News Service

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/3707149-418/illinois-troops-part-of-existing-peacekeeping-force-in-egypt.html

Egypt nears military coup. USS warships in Suez Canal
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report February 8, 2011, 11:20 PM (GMT+02:00)
Tags: Egypt Gen. Suleiman Mubarak Suez Canal US warships
USS Kearsarge with Marine helicopters

A fresh surge of popular anti-Mubarak protest ripping across Egypt Tuesday, Feb. 8 has brought the country closer to a military coup to stem the anarchy than at any time since the street caught fire on Jan. 25.

Vice President Omar Suleiman warned a group of Egyptian news editors that the only choice is between a descent into further lawlessness and a military takeover in Cairo. The distinguished political pundit of the 1960s and 1970s Hasnin Heikal saw no other way out of the crisis but a government ruling by the army's bayonets.

The arrival of US naval, marine and air forces in the Suez Canal's Greater Bitter Lake indicated that the crisis was quickly swerving out of control.

debkafile's military sources report that the American force consists of the USS Kearsarge Expeditionary Strike Group of six warships. Helicopters on some of their decks are there to carry and drop the 2,200 marines of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit which has been bolstered by two special operations battalions.

The flotilla has a rapid strike stealth submarine, the USS Scranton, which is designed to support special forces' operations.

The US strike force has taken up position at a strategic point opposite Ismailia between the west bank of the Suez Canal and its eastern Sinai bank. It is poised for rapid response in the event of the passage of about 40 percent of the world's marine freights through the Suez Canal being threatened or any other extreme occurrence warranting US military intervention.

For a few hours Tuesday, it looked as through Egypt was finally going back to normal after a two-week popular uprising. But then, suddenly, thousands again took to the streets and squares of Egyptian towns - from the Western desert on the Libyan border up to the northern Sinai town of El Arish in the east, recalling Hosni Mubarak's warning of chaos if he were to depart too soon.

Tuesday, the protesters mounted their biggest demonstrations of their campaign to oust Mubarak - in Cairo, Alexandria, the Delta Cities, the industrial belt around Mahalla-el-Kebir and the steel city of Heluan, shouting "Death to Mubarak!" and "Hang Mubarak!"
Although reforms and pay hikes have been pledged by the new Egyptian government, large groups of workers, mainly in Cairo, rebelled against state-appointed managements and set up "Revolutionary Committees" to run factories and other work places, including Egyptian state TV and Egypt's biggest weekly "Ros el-Yusuf."

The stock market and the pyramids remained closed and traffic blocked solid on the streets of Cairo.

http://www.debka.com/article/20646/

Interesting... I wonder if this is what the army generals were discussing in the US.

Who do they think they are? The world police force?

So arrogant, and they like to stick their fat noses in everything.

In an ultimate show of strength, the largest group of protesters so far were in Tharir square 2 weeks into the protests. There was literally not enough room for everyone, so protesters spread over into neighboring areas, including the street of the Parliament building.


Protests swell at Tahrir Square

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Thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators have poured into Cairo's Tahrir (Liberation) Square as protests against Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, entered their 15th day despite a slew of concessions announced by the government.

Tens of thousands of protesters have also come out on the streets in Alexandria, Egypt's second largest city.

There were also reports of a protest outside the parliament building in the capital. Witnesses said protesters had pitched a tent in front of the building and are likely to stay there.

According to Hoda Abdel-Hamid, Al Jazeera's correspondent in the Egyptian capital, the crowd at Tahrir Square grew rapidly on Tuesday afternoon, with many first-timers joining protesters seeking Mubarak's immediate ouster.

The newcomers said they had been inspired in part by the release of Wael Ghonim, the Google executive, after what he said was two weeks of detention by state security authorities.

Ghonim was the person behind a page called "We are all Khaled Said" on the social networking site Facebook, which is being credited for helping spark the uprising in Egypt.

"I came here for the first time today because this cabinet is a failure, Mubarak is still meeting the same ugly faces ... he can't believe it is over. He is a very stubborn man," Afaf Naged, a former member of the board of directors of the state-owned National Bank of Egypt, said.

"I am also here because of Wael Ghonim. He was right when he said the NDP [ruling National Democratic Party] is finished. There is no party left, but they don't want to admit it," she said.

Amr Fatouh, a surgeon, said he had joined the protests for the first time as well.

"I hope people will continue and more people will come. At first, people did not believe the regime would fall but that is changing," he said.

Another Al Jazeera journalist, reporting from the square, said the protesters' resolve seemed very high. Many said they would not leave until their demands are met.

The determined protesters have reportedly composed a 'revolution anthem' to boost morale.

Meanwhile, about 20 lawyers have petitioned Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, the country's prosecutor general, to try Mubarak and his family for allegedly stealing state wealth.

Ibrahim Yosri, a lawyer and a former deputy foreign minister, has drafted the petition.

Constitutional reforms

But Mubarak's message has thus far been that he will not leave until his term expires in September.

However in a statement made on Egyptian state television on Tuesday, Omar Suleiman, the country's vice-president, said that a plan was in place for the peaceful transfer of power.

He annouced formation of two independent committees for political and constitutional reforms.

Mubarak has promised not to arrest or charge any one of those who took part in the protests.

Suleiman said that one committee would carry out constitutional and legislative amendments to enable a shift of power while a separate committee will be set up to monitor the implementation of all proposed reforms. The two committees will start working immediately, he said.

Suleiman stressed that demonstrators will not be prosecuted and that a separate independent fact-finding committee would be established to probe the violence on February 2.

The government had offered on Monday a pay rise to public-sector workers, but the pro-democracy camp said the government had conceded little ground in trying to end the current crisis.

"[The pay rise] doesn't mean anything," Sherif Zein, a protester at Tahrir Square told Al Jazeera on Tuesday.

"Maybe it will be a short-term release for the workers ... but most of the people will realise what this is, it's just a tablet of asprin, but it's nothing meaningful."

Beyond Tahrir Square, life has been slowly getting back to normal in other parts of Cairo with some shops and banks reopening.

Tourism sector affected

However, the country's tourism sector is still suffering, with the area around the famed pyramids remaining closed. The Credit Agricole bank says the protests are costing Egypt more than $300m a day.

"There is a lot of popular public sentiments in Cairo and wider Egypt regarding what those protesters are trying to achieve but at the same time, people are trying to get back to live as normal lives as possible," our correspondent said.

Another correspondent, also in Cairo, said: "There are divisions. On one side, people do agree with the messages coming out of Tahrir Square, but on the other, Egypt is a country where about 40 per cent of the population lives on daily wages."

Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Cairo, said that a so-called battle for hearts and minds is going on.

"Anti-government demonstrators are pushing to convince the country that Mubarak needs to go, but some also don't want the country to plunge into chaos," he said.

"There is also a struggle to get back to normality. Many want to get back to normal lives, but at the same time want this campaign to continue."

Tanks continue to guard government buildings, embassies and other important institutions in the capital.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201128123235508653.html


As you all may be aware, Wael Ghoneim, the Google Executive and creator of the Facebook page and event for the uprising was released on Monday after 12 days in detention.

Here is a very emotional, translated interview with him:

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This is the part where it gets really emotional. If you're not gonna watch the first 2, watch this one.

Here, he learns and for the first time sees the faces of the hundreds martyrs who died during the uprising. Remember he was in detention for 12 days, so he didn't really know about this.

He breaks down, and has to leave the show:
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Very sad :ohno:






Economists say Egypt’s revolution could lead to long-term growth

Short-term economic effects of the 25 January uprising have included price hikes in some staple goods and a stand-still in some major sectors of the economy such as tourism.

Some analysts and social workers believe these effects are the result of a temporary shock to the system, but that the potential long-term economic benefits of political change could far outweigh recent short-term losses.

The recent price increases have left Cairo residents with an unsettled feeling concerning the revolution’s effects. “Economic shocks such as this will undoubtedly lead to price increases,” said economist Mahmoud Abdel Fadeel.

In some places, prices of vegetables and propane tanks more than doubled at times during the last two weeks. MP Fathi Gleed said he and his staff were working to provide propane tanks at LE4 to his neighborhood Manial when he found out that other vendors were selling them for up to LE25. “Most of the price increases are a result of opportunistic middlemen hiking them up,” Gleed said.

Vegetable sellers in the area complain of similar problems. “We only buy from one seller in the nearby market. He raises his prices, and it affects everyone in the neighborhood, buyers and sellers,” said Anwar, a vegetable vendor.

Tourism and the stock market have experienced paralysis over the past two weeks.

Economists say the stand-still is a result of the government’s response to the protests, rather than a direct result of the protests themselves. “It’s because of difficulties with transportation by the government-imposed curfew. There’s also the added effect of lawlessness and police disappearing that might have caused some shops to close,” said Abla Abdel Latif, professor of Economics at the American University in Cairo.

“Issues regarding tourism and transportation are temporary. There’s no indication of chronic shocks to either sector,” she added.

Many of the ills exhibited by the economy since 25 January are seen by some as a near continuation of the dire economic state Egypt has found itself in since the beginning of Mubarak’s regime thirty years ago. “There’s been a near stand-still for the past 30 years,” said Gouda Abdel Khaleq, professor of economics at Cairo University.

On the contrary, they see a potential upside to the revolution--if it is successful--propelling the country in a positive direction. “What’s happening now is transforming people from subjects into active citizens. I believe that if the revolution succeeds, Egypt will experience an economic boom--aided by the country’s immense resources--as a result,” said Abdel Khaleq.

Egypt has a relatively low rate of labor productivity. “One of the potential upsides is that labor productivity increases when the system’s cathartic atmosphere changes as a result of the revolution,” said Abdel Latif.

International investment has not lost faith in Egypt, she added. “I think that if the revolution is successful, they’ll have more confidence in the economy afterwards.”

Abdel Latif, along with many other economists, believes that the government deliberately neglected development, agriculture, unemployment, and education. “The regime was responsible for all the government’s ills,” Abdel Latif said.

One of the main concerns of the 25 January uprising is eliminating corruption and ensuring the existence of a representative government that introduces and implements positive economic measures to improve the per-capita GDP as well as the distribution of wealth.

“Historically, popular uprisings that lead towards democracy have a positive effect on economies. Unless the 25 January uprising is completely crushed, it is likely to at least lead to some sound policy changes,” said Sherif Younis, professor of modern history at Helwan University.

Economic historians tend to link economic prosperity with democracy, and in Egypt, observers believe that the 25 January uprising has caused a tectonic shift in local policy.

“We are at a profound transformation point. Don’t believe the lies that any of the losses will be permanent,” said Abdel Khaleq.

Abdel Latif believes that the length and manner of this transitional period will have a decisive impact on the revolution’s long-term effects.

“If the result of this revolution is a quick transition, reform will surely propel the country forward economically.”

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/economists-say-egypt%E2%80%99s-revolution-could-lead-long-term-growth


And some photos from today.


Wael Ghoneim, the released google executive at Tahrir Square
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A sign with Mubarak and the words "Get out"
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Sayedaty anesaty Sayedaty... Tamer Hosny after being kicked of Tahrir!!!

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US Marines heading to Egypt?
Feb 9th, 2011 | By Desmond Shephard | Category: Egypt, United States

WASHINGTON: According to a US Marine Corps source, the US is sending a number of platoons to Egypt. Bikya Masr was able to confirm from a Marine source, who was not authorized to speak to the media, that families of high-ranking Marines will soon be deployed to Egypt as an emergency deployment and would not be able to speak about their mission.

According to Businessinsider.com, the alert for the Marines went out on February 5.

The senior Marine told their source that the Pentagon would deploy “multiple platoons” to Egypt over the next few days and that the official reason will be ‘to assist in the evacuation of US citizens.”

The source added that “the chances they were going over there went from 70% yesterday to 100% today.”

On Friday, the Pentagon announced it would move “U.S. warships and other military assets to make sure it is prepared in case evacuation of U.S. citizens from Egypt becomes necessary,” according the the LA Times.

It was unclear whether the Marines would also act as part of an increase in security around the US Embassy in Cairo. The embassy has told all American citizens in the country to leave immediately and have offered flight assistance to those wishing to make the exodus from Egypt.

Anti-government protests in the country are now in their 15th day with no signs of ending in the near future.

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Who do they think they are? The world police force?

So arrogant, and they like to stick their fat noses in everything.

Someone most have authorized their military presence in Egypt though otherwise they'd be breaking international law.

Egyptians are receiving 15 billion TAX Free from Americans...surely they didnt forget there would be a price to pay for this right?

Anyway would someone tell me why Tamer Hosny was crying in the video?

Because that little asshole is a pro-government supporter and got kicked out from Tahrir Square.

If you're talking about the aid Egypt receives from the US it's because of the peace treaty Egypt signed with Israel.

Tamer Hosny was faking ! The guy told him to cry but Tamer Hosny didn't know he was filmed before he tells him to start. :rofl:

And if you hear carefully... People who is interroging are treating him like a woman... hhhhhh


``Makhno2a-------2oly``


Bas yala... I forgive him seriously...

Its not a question of betraying or not. The whole system is to be blamed. We are Egyptians at one point but the actual regime focused more by separating the population whom i believe are the Pro-Mobarak and anti-Mobarak. Funny to say but what was supposed to be the main issue was the religion. After what we've seen. There is no real issue between us. The real one are the Pro NPD against the Anti-NPD. I also believe the fitna created was a government scenario. Funny as it seem but the government is once again using another technic to destabilize the country for their own stability and i believe with a whole new system, we will be travelling in the same boat. We should not insult our ''fananen'' . We should be united instead.


As Ghoneim said on Mona Shazli night show: I talked to alot of police officiers and i believe they love their country and they think they're doing the best for the country. Its not a question of who is bad and who is not. If the whole system change, people will change under the new constitution amendment

Huge step for egyptians but we must continue!!!
*Constitutional committee agrees on amendment of 6 articles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4GWeYjnyY #Egypt #alarabiya #jan25 #Mubarak


*#Mubarak police are firing live bullets on protesters in #Kharga, southern #Egypt. At least 3 are dead, at least 100 are wounded. #Jan25

*UPDTATES*

Minister of Culture just resigned claiming due to health reasons according to Alarabya

#Tourism in #Egypt expected to drop by at least 40% this year http://on.wsj.com/hTUiBj #travel

^^Great news on the amendments!

Wonderful Egypt with a new face.... Tahya Masr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL my freind saw this and he said 'masterbating ?!'




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I was watch the national tv today at random point and I still don't understand what's going on. One time they seem to be pro-mubarak and a second later they're anti-mubarak so wierd.

^^ :laugh:

Amazing video. :)

WikiLeaks: Egyptian 'torturers' trained by FBI http://is.gd/kreaaW #wikileaks #fbi #egypt #opegypt #anonymous #torture

Aljazeera have confirmed the fortune of Mobarak Family worth 80 billion

There are two hours:

The police cut off electricity in all the streets in the district. The intense street war between protesters and security thugs. I can confirm that the governor's building is on fire. Do not worry about me. I'm hiding on the roof of a building, police arrested dozens of young people at random. They are embedded in cars without registration, they are taken is not known where.

There was a time:

Son of these dogs have. The police now uses the services of criminals from the prison of Al Wadi. He left the political prisoners behind bars. Note that it is the largest political prison in the Middle East. The prison is underground. The U.S. has offered an astronomical sum to buy the prison, but Egyptian authorities have denied. A fire started in a gas station in central district Thanawiya, it could be a human catastrophe soon, God help us


there is less than an hour:

The people working hard to extinguish the fire of the gas station before it explodes

there is less than an hour:

It's a miracle, it can be it, young, men and children of the neighborhood Thanawiya succeeded in extinguishing the fire at the gas station with buckets of sand. The tragedy that I just discovered is that they cut the water in the Wadi. But where will you go to escape the punishment of God?

He has 44 minutes:

It's confirmed, a large group of thugs headed to the archaeological museum to return to it and set it on fire. Hundreds of young people come together to confront the thugs. Young people make a lot of petrol bombs for a surprise.

He has 35 minutes:

Young people are struggling to come together because of darkness in the street, since the electricity is off. Unfortunately, I could not take into account those who have been arrested. The flames of fire rise ever in the district.

Egypt's army 'involved in detentions and torture'

Military accused by human rights campaigners of targeting hundreds of anti-government protesters


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The Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of suspected government opponents since mass protests against President Hosni Mubarak began, and at least some of these detainees have been tortured, according to testimony gathered by the Guardian.

The military has claimed to be neutral, merely keeping anti-Mubarak protesters and loyalists apart. But human rights campaigners say this is clearly no longer the case, accusing the army of involvement in both disappearances and torture – abuses Egyptians have for years associated with the notorious state security intelligence (SSI) but not the army.

The Guardian has spoken to detainees who say they have suffered extensive beatings and other abuses at the hands of the military in what appears to be an organised campaign of intimidation. Human rights groups have documented the use of electric shocks on some of those held by the army.

Egyptian human rights groups say families are desperately searching for missing relatives who have disappeared into army custody. Some of the detainees have been held inside the renowned Museum of Egyptian Antiquities on the edge of Tahrir Square. Those released have given graphic accounts of physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and Israel.

Among those detained have been human rights activists, lawyers and journalists, but most have been released. However, Hossam Bahgat, director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights in Cairo, said hundreds, and possibly thousands, of ordinary people had "disappeared" into military custody across the country for no more than carrying a political flyer, attending the demonstrations or even the way they look. Many were still missing.

"Their range is very wide, from people who were at the protests or detained for breaking curfew to those who talked back at an army officer or were handed over to the army for looking suspicious or for looking like foreigners even if they were not," he said. "It's unusual and to the best of our knowledge it's also unprecedented for the army to be doing this."

One of those detained by the army was a 23-year-old man who would only give his first name, Ashraf, for fear of again being arrested. He was detained last Friday on the edge of Tahrir Square carrying a box of medical supplies intended for one of the makeshift clinics treating protesters attacked by pro-Mubarak forces.

"I was on a sidestreet and a soldier stopped me and asked me where I was going. I told him and he accused me of working for foreign enemies and other soldiers rushed over and they all started hitting me with their guns," he said.

Ashraf was hauled off to a makeshift army post where his hands were bound behind his back and he was beaten some more before being moved to an area under military control at the back of the museum.

"They put me in a room. An officer came and asked me who was paying me to be against the government. When I said I wanted a better government he hit me across the head and I fell to the floor. Then soldiers started kicking me. One of them kept kicking me between my legs," he said.

"They got a bayonet and threatened to rape me with it. Then they waved it between my legs. They said I could die there or I could disappear into prison and no one would ever know. The torture was painful but the idea of disappearing in a military prison was really frightening."

Ashraf said the beatings continued on and off for several hours until he was put in a room with about a dozen other men, all of whom had been severely tortured. He was let go after about 18 hours with a warning not to return to Tahrir Square.

Others have not been so lucky. Heba Morayef, a Human Rights Watch researcher in Cairo, said: "A lot of families are calling us and saying: 'I can't find my son, he's disappeared.' I think what's happening is that they're being arrested by the military."

Among those missing is Kareem Amer, a prominent government critic and blogger only recently released after serving a four-year prison sentence for criticising the regime. He was picked up on Monday evening at a military checkpoint late at night as he was leaving Tahrir Square.

Bahgat said the pattern of accounts from those released showed the military had been conducting a campaign to break the protests. "Some people, especially the activists, say they were interrogated about any possible links to political organisations or any outside forces. For the ordinary protesters, they get slapped around and asked: 'Why are you in Tahrir?' It seems to serve as an interrogation operation and an intimidation and deterrence."

The military has claimed to be neutral in the political standoff and both Mubarak and his prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, have said there will be no "security pursuit" of anti-government activists. But Morayef says this is clearly not the case.

"I think it's become pretty obvious by now that the military is not a neutral party. The military doesn't want and doesn't believe in the protests and this is even at the lower level, based on the interrogations," she said.

Human Rights Watch says it has documented 119 arrests of civilians by the military but believes there are many more. Bahgat said it was impossible to know how many people had been detained because the army is not acknowledging the arrests. But he believes that the pattern of disappearances seen in Cairo is replicated across the country.

"Detentions either go completely unreported or they are unable to inform their family members or any lawyer of their detention so they are much more difficult to assist or look for," he said. "Those held by the military police are not receiving any due process either because they are unaccounted for and they are unable to inform anyone of their detention."

Human Rights Watch has also documented detentions including an unnamed democracy activist who described being stopped by a soldier who insisted on searching his bag, where he found a pro-democracy flyer.

"They started beating me up in the street their rubber batons and an electric Taser gun, shocking me," the activist said.

"Then they took me to Abdin police station. By the time I arrived, the soldiers and officers there had been informed that a 'spy' was coming, and so when I arrived they gave me a 'welcome beating' that lasted some 30 minutes."

While pro-government protesters have also been detained by the army during clashes in Tahrir Square, it is believed that they have been handed on to police and then released, rather than being held and tortured.

The detainee was held in a cell until an interrogator arrived, ordered him to undress and attached cables from an "electric shock machine".

"He shocked me all over my body, leaving no place untouched. It wasn't a real interrogation; he didn't ask that many questions. He tortured me twice like this on Friday, and one more time on Saturday," he said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-army-detentions-torture-accused?CMP=twt_gu

Huge step for egyptians but we must continue!!!
*Constitutional committee agrees on amendment of 6 articles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4GWeYjnyY #Egypt #alarabiya #jan25 #Mubarak


*#Mubarak police are firing live bullets on protesters in #Kharga, southern #Egypt. At least 3 are dead, at least 100 are wounded. #Jan25

*UPDTATES*

Minister of Culture just resigned claiming due to health reasons according to Alarabya

#Tourism in #Egypt expected to drop by at least 40% this year http://on.wsj.com/hTUiBj #travel


It's a big step indeed!


Constitution committee agrees to amend 6 articles of national charter

The constitutional amendments committee, which was formed by presidential decree, agreed to amend six articles of the Constitution during its first meeting on Wednesday,.

The committee, which is headed by Serry Seiam, president of the Court of Cassation and the Supreme Judicial Council, agreed to amend Articles 76, 77, 88, 93, 179 and 189, in addition to any other articles that the committee may deem necessary to amend in subsequent meetings.

Article 76 pertains to candidacy requirements for presidential elections; Article 77 pertains to the number of terms allowed for the president to stay in office; Article 88 pertains to supervision of elections; Article 93 pertains to parliament’s authority to determine the validity of its memberships; Article 179 allows for interfering with the practice of certain freedoms set forth in other articles under the pretext of combating terrorism; and Article 189 concerns the means of amending the Constitution.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/constitution-committee-agrees-amend-6-articles-national-charter

Again, I never though I'd see this day! But we must remind ourselves, that this is not a good enough concession, our demands are clear, Mubarak must leave!

Trains disrupted as 1000s of railway employees strike

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Some 3000 Egyptian National Railways (ENR) employees went on strike demanding that Transport Minister Atef Abdel Hamid reconsider their incentives. The protesters sat on railway lines, disrupting train services, and threatened not to move until their demands are met.

Egyptian Railway Authority (ERA) head Mustafa Qenawi along with a number of ERA management held talks with the protesters in an attempt to break the strike and restore train services.

An official source at the Transport Ministry told Al-Masry Al-Youm that the ENR had received instructions to respond to all of the demands and to resolve the strike peacefully.

Meanwhile, Public Transport Authority (PTA) drivers and employees said they will begin a strike on Thursday to demand that their incentives be reconsidered. One driver told Al-Masry Al-Youm that the strike will begin at the PTA’s Nasr City main branch and that bus services will be suspended until their demands are achieved.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/trains-disrupted-1000s-railway-employees-strike

International organizations call on Washington to stop aid to Cairo


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Fifty international organizations called on US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to stop sending aid to Egypt. They called it an “illegal” act, as the United States has local and international commitments not to provide aid to those who violate basic human rights. They cited violence used by the Egyptian security forces against peaceful demonstrators and journalists in the 25 January revolution.

The New York based National Lawyers Guild on Tuesday wrote to the US State Department requesting that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak step down immediately for the sake of democracy and social justice in Egypt.

The letter also stated that “the US Foreign Assistance Act prohibits assistance to any country engaged in a pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.”

The organizations noted that President Mubarak's regime also targeted defenders of human rights, such as the Hisham Mubarak Center, and cut off communications in the country.

They expressed opposition to the appointment of Omar Suleiman as vice-president, given his role in perpetuating the regime’s practice of torture and repression.

The letter called on the United States to issue an “unequivocal” statement that supports the right of the Egyptian people to determine their future and the fate of their country. It demanded an end to all overt and covert assistance to Egypt, an end to interference in Egypt’s internal affairs, and the beginning of an independent investigation of US officials supporting Mubarak’s regime.

The letter was signed by the National Association for Change, the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, the United National Anti-War Committee, the Peace and Freedom Party in California and the Center for Constitutional Rights.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/international-organizations-call-washington-stop-aid-cairo



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Environmentally-conscious protesters collect and separate garbage into organic and non-organic waste, at the continuing anti-government demonstration in Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo:

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the ESC Starting to piss me off now. pathetic, trying to make a convo between those who support and don't support and if you hear the convo they both support O_O these stupid people trying to take credit for those who died and in tarir now.

the problem with the US aid is not that they are giving it but the money is not going to the right people

A MUST WATCH!

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She also said something a the began, I'm searching now. that what I asked you guys to go and watch Masr el naharda the other day.

the ESC Starting to piss me off now. pathetic, trying to make a convo between those who support and don't support and if you hear the convo they both support O_O these stupid people trying to take credit for those who died and in tarir now.

Hahahahahah Amr Mostafa crying :rofl:

A MUST WATCH!

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She also said something a the began, I'm searching now. that what I asked you guys to go and watch Masr el naharda the other day.

Ya 3am de set 2alelt el 2adab... I hate her.

^^ really? I think she said that very well.

Hahahahahah Amr Mostafa crying :rofl:

have you seen that :lol::lol: I close exactly after he start crying. GOD I can't believe they pay them that much. they go so much money that they started crying. wallahi 3yal sesa.

2alek tedmanly tedmanly tedmanly le3'ayet mazhe2t men el kelma, we howa ma damnesh 2y 7aga law el nas 23adet fe byotha.

^^ really? I think she said that very well.



have you seen that :lol::lol: I close exactly after he start crying. GOD I can't believe they pay them that much. they go so much money that they started crying. wallahi 3yal sesa.

2alek tedmanly tedmanly tedmanly le3'ayet mazhe2t men el kelma, we howa ma damnesh 2y 7aga law el nas 23adet fe byotha.

7atetdmanly :rofl:


Seriously it scares me too because i don't want Egypt to look like Iraq.

yalawhy, enta sada2to?

el ragel 2alek masr mesh zay tunis we delwa2ty gay ye2olek iraq???

enta zay mashyef fel share3 27na sha3b 3amel zay 3ela wa7da kebera ya3ny mafesh ma5awef.


plus I'd rather be like iraq with freedom that's My opinion.

today was reading in the newspaper about Egypt and they had a small section saying that in Belgium the mp' wives ban sex until they get a new gov :hilarious

El masryin azkeya wallahi. :laugh:

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This is in Tahrir Square, they are loading their cellphones. :)

yalawhy, enta sada2to?

el ragel 2alek masr mesh zay tunis we delwa2ty gay ye2olek iraq???

enta zay mashyef fel share3 27na sha3b 3amel zay 3ela wa7da kebera ya3ny mafesh ma5awef.


plus I'd rather be like iraq with freedom that's My opinion.

today was reading in the newspaper about Egypt and they had a small section saying that in Belgium the mp' wives ban sex until they get a new gov :hilarious


Ya 3am el moshkela msh fel sha3b bas fel 7okoma... Ma 7osny momken mokho falat w yekoon 3awz yekhreb el balad....

2ywa, law rege3na le wara shwaya el 7koma kanet 3awza te5reb el balad. we shofna el baltagya. bas el masrya 2thbato enohom y2daro ye7mo baladhom. ana mesh 5ayef 5ales law mubarak 3amal 7aga ana 3aref en el masryen hay3melo lemsla7et el balad :D

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Rap song by Ahmed Mekky ft Mohamed Mohsen

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You guys probably already know Wael Abbas & his upto-the-minute video updates from Cairo, but I just found out and its pretty amazing to see the most current happenings over there.

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Widespread but unconfirmed reports: Egyptian army is preparing for transfer of power from Mubarak. Announcement shortly? #jan25 #egypt

CNN confirmed it!!!!!!!

BBC: #Egypt President Mubarak will 'probably' appear on TV and may transfer powers to the vice-president

Widespread but unconfirmed reports: Egyptian army is preparing for transfer of power from Mubarak. Announcement shortly? #jan25 #egypt

CNN confirmed it!!!!!!!

BBC: #Egypt President Mubarak will 'probably' appear on TV and may transfer powers to the vice-president

I HEARD THAT TOO, ON TWITTER AND ON FACEBOOK!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

BREAKING Mubarak expected to resign tonight" NDP chief http://goo.gl/XVgvU #Mubarak #Jan25 #FREEEGYPT

^^HOPEFULLY!

Don't get your hopes up guys, we all know how stubborn he is. Don't celebrate until you hear him say it.

Heard on #BBCW #Mubarak will speak within an hour and hand over power to the rotten VP #Suleiman. |#jan25 #Egypt via @CaireneGirl

Suggestion from senior NDP (ruling party) member that Mubarak will speak to the nation tonight #Egypt #Jan25

مبروك يا رجالة مبارك سيتنحي الليله ويسلم السلطه للجيش

AFP: 'We are awaiting orders that will make the people happy,' says Egyptian officer #Egypt #Jan25

I'm not going to celebrate until all those SOB resign.

Al Bawaba > Sources: UAE ready to host Mubarak http://bit.ly/gXoc2H #Tahrir #Egypt #Jan25

army have confirmedddddddddddddddddddddddd

Mabrook ya gama3a, but I hope the people stay in Tahrir until all those assholes leave Egypt.

Al Jazeera: President Mubarak is no longer in control of the Egyptian Army #Jan25

قناة الحرة: مبارك يعتزم نقل سلطاته للجيش المصري

قالت قناة الحرة الاخبارية الامريكية ان الرئيس مبارك يعتزم نقل سلطاته كقائد أعلى للقوات المسلحة للجيش المصري.

وأكد مراسل القناة في القاهرة ان الرئيس سيتنحى وينقل صلاحياته لمجلس عسكري يحكم مصر لفترة انتقالية.

واشار الى ان هذا يتجاوب مع ما يبحث عنه الجيش المصري وهو توفير مخرج كريم للرئيس مبارك كما انه يريح المتظاهرون في الشارع ويشعرهم بالانتصار.

Who to take the temporary power????


I believe the parliament?

The generals will take control of the army.

Two sources inside Egypt president's office say that Mubarak will step down tonight , VP Suleiman will take over (NBC) via @breakingnews

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Chief of Staff of the Egyptian army and Mubarak heading to Sharm El-Sheikh: reports, http://goo.gl/2vXgq #Mubarak #Egypt# #Freeegypt #Jan25

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Mubarak and his VP not present in high military meeting. http://goo.gl/2vXgq #Mubarak #Egypt# #Freeegypt #Jan25



Omar Soleiman out???????

Reports that the road to cairo airport are now closed #egypt #jan25

CNN BREAKING NEWS Mubarak to step down today according to USA CIA! #Israel #jan25 #Egypt #CNN

Egypt information minister says #Mubarak not stepping, from Reuters

Where is Dr. ElBaradei ?

GREAT GREAT news!:D :D This made my day! but... we are not there yet! Egyptians don't trust VP Omar. And we have to see if Egypt really change.

News of Mubrak likely to step down this evening! Hopefully he'll just leave...

Holy shit! Rumours spreading that Hosny Mobarak is not even in Egypt... None knows where he is... Skynews said that the Prime Minister don't even know where he is .... That's why he didn't assist to the major reunion....
His meeting with the media is recorded according to skynews.


Egypt Tv state was evacuated by the army!

Chief of Staff of the Egyptian army and Mubarak heading to Sharm El-Sheikh [...]
Holy shit! Rumours spreading that Hosny Mobarak is not even in Egypt... [...]Guess the country! :D