Egypt's 25th of January Revolution [Archive] - Page 17

Montrealers

July 28th, 2011, 05:40 PM

:cheers: This is the same article of the one above but translated in English.

Field Marshal Tantawi: Army will succeed and return to barracks soon

Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the head of Egypt’s ruling military council, said that the armed forces intend to hand power back to a democratically elected civilian government as promised back in February, and that officers and soldiers will return to their primary task of fending off external dangers.

Tantawi told officers from the Egyptian 3rd Army, during a visit to a routine training session, that the armed forces are part of the people and that he is convinced that 100 per cent of Egyptians support it.

He told officers that the army had not chosen to play a political role in the country’s affairs but that it had had to do so to safeguard the January 25 Revolution. Tantawi said he is convinced that the army will succeed in this mission. He added that the army’s military readiness was not affected by events in the last seven months and urged soldiers to continue to develop their technical capabilities to defend Egypt effectively.

The field marshall tried to calm officers who were clearly irritated by the growing public and media criticism of army actions and intentions. Tantawi told officers that he believes people have the right to their opinions and that the army must focus on getting its job done. He added that most newspapers in the country are “patriotic” but some seem to be acting in an irresponsible manner.

Tantawi said he is proud of his military record, having fought in three wars against Israel (1956, 1967 and 1973) as well as the 1991 war to liberate Kuwait.

Air Marshal Sami Enan, second-in-command in the ruling military council, accompanied Tantawi on his visit.

In recent days, the field marshal, who has kept a low profile since the ousting of former president Mubarak on 11 February, gave a speech and made several public appearances that state media was keen to make front page news.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/17532/Egypt/Politics-/Field-Marshal-Tantawi-Army-will-succeed-and-return.aspx

End impunity now

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20110730_LDP002_0.jpg
ONE of the most righteous demands of the newly awakened Arabs is that the tyrants who pillaged their countries and battered the bodies of those who opposed their crimes should face the full force of justice. The principle that no person is above the law, especially those at the top, is among the most precious of all the rights that the brave protesters in Tahrir Square have sought. So it is vital for Egypt’s fledgling democracy that Hosni Mubarak, who sorely abused his position as head of state for the past 30 years, should face trial in an open court—and with all the benefits of defence lawyers that were denied to the many thousands of his opponents who were tortured and locked up without trial during his time.

He faces two main sets of charges, both grievous: corruption on the grandest scale; and murder by virtue of his government’s decision that police should fire on the demonstrators in Tahrir Square and elsewhere, killing more than 800. Mr Mubarak’s doctors suggest he is too ill (and—laughably—“too depressed”) to stand trial. If independent doctors deem him to be malingering, he should be dragged to court. If he is medically unfit, the trial should be postponed. And if his condition deteriorates, he should—though this is the worst option—be tried in absentia. It is important that justice be seen to be done.
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Egypt remains an incomparably better place than it was before the revolution that overthrew Mr Mubarak (see article). The country is grinding forward, albeit with hiccups, towards democracy. By the end of the year there should be a genuinely elected parliament. A sensibly broad coalition government is likely to emerge, with a strong contingent of Islamists whom secular-minded liberals distrust and whose democratic credentials have yet to be tested. It is a risk that must be taken.

But in the past few weeks Egypt has been stumbling through a bad post-revolutionary patch. The generals overseeing the necessarily messy transition have been failing to keep up the momentum of change. Some suspect they are keen to strike a closet bargain with the Islamists to fend off those who seek to rebuild Egypt as a paragon of pluralism and tolerance. Among protesters there is worrying talk of the need for street justice and public hangings.

The current supposedly stopgap ruler, Field-Marshal Muhammad Hussein Tantawi, is a long-time acolyte of Mr Mubarak. He has been loth to let soldiers and policemen be tried and punished for the many abuses heaped on peaceful protesters in the run-up to Mr Mubarak’s fall—and sometimes, disgracefully, in the weeks after it. Deplorably the field-marshal has sanctioned the use of military tribunals to impose draconian sentences on alleged lawbreakers who have included innocuous democracy activists.

Hence the urgent need for the open and speedy dispensing of proper justice for all serious offences, Mr Mubarak’s trial to the fore. Egyptians need reassuring that a decent new order is in the offing. In due course, a truth-and-reconciliation commission should be established to draw a line under the past. In Mr Mubarak’s day thousands of Egyptians committed crimes of varying degrees of gravity just to rub along. Getting small fry to confess the details may be punishment enough for many of them. But that is for later. Such commissions work only if the main authors of much greater crimes have already been tried—and tried fairly. That process should start forthwith.

http://www.economist.com/node/21524875

Montrealers

July 28th, 2011, 05:46 PM

Egypt’s Mubarak declared fit for trial:banana::banana::banana::cheers::cheers::cheers:

CAIRO — Ousted Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak is fit for trial, a senior judicial official said Thursday, meaning that the ailing 83-year-old former leader will have to be transferred from the resort town of Sharm el- Sheikh to Cairo.

Reports that Mubarak’s health was failing and that he was refusing to eat or drink had raised questions this week about whether he would actually be tried next month on charges of corruption and ordering the killing of protesters.

According to the state news agency Mena, Deputy Justice Minister Mohammed Munie said that “final decision” had been made and that the trial, scheduled to begin Aug. 3, will be held in the Cairo Convention Center.

Protesters have been camped in Cairo’s Tahrir Square for more than two weeks calling for quicker trials for Mubarak-era officials and trials for police officers involved in the killing of nearly 900 protesters. Relations between protesters and the interim military leadership have soured since Mubarak’s resignation in February, and calls are now growing for the ouster of the military council, led by a longtime defense minister under Mubarak, Mohammed Hussein Tantawi.

Many Egyptians say they doubt that they will ever see Mubarak, a decorated former air force officer, stand trial as long as the military leadership remains in control.

Mubarak’s trial will coincide with the trials of his two sons, former interior minister Habib el-Adli and Adli’s deputies, all accused of ordering the killing of protesters.

“My sense is that the army and the cabinet realize that if people don’t see Mubarak physically in a courtroom on Aug. 3 it will be the ultimate confirmation that the army is not serious about starting a new page,” said Hossam Bahgat of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, a local human rights group

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/mubarak-declared-fit-for-trial/2011/07/28/gIQAflW3eI_story.html

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 02:25 AM

Amazing opinion piece, must read.

Long live Egypt's Supreme Council

With Mubarak out of power and SCAF taking the reigns, what's next for the country?

Many Egyptians are expressing concerns about the deployment by the ruling Egyptian Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) of the very same political rhetoric previously employed by the Mubarak regime, despite the SCAF's claim that it is maintaining "neutrality" between "popular" forces; a "neutrality" that it has failed to demonstrate on all fronts.

Indeed, Egyptians who want to transform their uprising into a veritable revolution have responded to the ruling SCAF by refining their definition of the identity of the armed forces. If the famous cry of the anti-Mubarak uprising enjoined the army to stand with the people against the regime, the current cry cleverly differentiates between the SCAF and the army, so that the army rank and file continue to be invoked by the revolutionaries as being on the side of the people - while the SCAF is presented as the political antagonist who seeks to maintain the Mubarak regime with some reforms, albeit without Mubarak.

The army and the revolution

Schisms between the "army" and the revolutionaries started even before the fall of Mubarak, when demonstrations were infiltrated by army soldiers who, we were told, were unknown people, most probably Mubarak state security goons, who allegedly "stole" and donned army uniforms. Evidence of military arrests and torture of demonstrators, including reported stories of "virginity" tests performed on arrested women demonstrators, were later confirmed by military officers. Moreover, Egyptian demonstrators are demanding that all people arrested since the uprising be tried in civilian rather than military courts - and that the continued use of torture by the army be immediately stopped.

This notwithstanding, many Egyptian revolutionaries (though not all) have insisted on ignoring these reported stories of army abuse - which were also verified by international human rights groups - in the interest of maintaining solidarity with the army, especially as the military top brass had initially used a rhetoric of non-intervention and "neutrality" between a corrupt dictatorial regime, presided over by a member of their own ranks for 30 years, and the Egyptian people. Indeed, the rhetoric of the army leadership since the fall of Mubarak has been that the army was the party that all along "protected" and still "protects" the revolution.

The nineteen-member SCAF is presided over by the former minister of defence under Mubarak, Field Marshal Muhammad Hussein Tantawi, who, along with Egyptian Army Chief of Staff General Sami 'Anan, spent much of the 18-day anti-Mubarak uprising last January in Washington DC attending "meetings" with US officials ('Anan was already in the US when the uprising broke and Tantawi joined him later). Tantawi has consistently said that SCAF would only remain in power for the transitional period until all preparations - political, juridical, and constitutional - had been made ready for democratic elections to be held, and that in the interim, such preparations would be made by a civilian cabinet responsive to the SCAF's regulations.

While the revolutionaries toppled the first cabinet left over from Mubarak days, which the army kept after Mubarak's fall, and brought Isam Sharaf in as an "uncorrupt" prime minister on the side of the people, Sharaf's performance in the past four months has lost him much credibility among the revolutionaries, in no small measure on account of his refusal to question the dictates of the SCAF, which has been reticent to allow transformative changes that would signal a real regime change.

Sharaf thus has consistently appointed ministers in his government who are tainted by their previous service to the Mubarak regime. This includes a number of the ministers he appointed just last week to his second cabinet - though none of them were members of the now dissolved National Democratic Party that ruled under Mubarak - a reshuffle brought about by pressure exerted by the revolutionaries who have been staging a sit-in in Tahrir Square since July 8. Indeed, his ministry of interior has continued to attack the revolutionaries shamelessly.

Buying off the SCAF

In the meantime, the United States and Saudi Arabia, with the United Arab Emirates as a subsidiary to both, have kept up the pressure on the SCAF not to try Mubarak, and to obfuscate the trials of many corrupt regime aides, despite the zeal with which parts of the judiciary system have been pursuing them on numerous criminal and corruption charges. The Saudis have granted four billion dollars to the SCAF, while the UAE gave a three billion dollar package of grants and loans to help the SCAF's efforts to resist the same amount of money offered by the much-hated International Monetary Fund, which is opposed by the Egyptian revolutionaries.

While Mubarak's Egypt would never have said "no" to the omnipotent IMF, which, along with the World Bank and USAID, has wreaked havoc on the poor of Egypt for more than three and a half decades, the Egypt of today is granted more leeway by the United States government, which recognises the country as the central frontline state with the mobilised revolutionary masses of the Arab World. The United States made concessions to Taiwan and South Korea in the 1950s and 1960s, which allowed their development of a national capitalism unfettered by competition from imperial capital. These concessions, denied to all other "Third World" countries, were made in order for the South Korean and Taiwanese economies to offer a more prosperous model than their communist neighbours, thus ensuring that they would not "fall" to international communism.

Indeed, attempts by other "Third World" countries to block imperial capital penetration of their national economies resulted in CIA-sponsored coups and, in a number of cases, outright US invasions in the same period. A similar logic is working here. It is American fear that the Egyptian uprising could become a transformative revolution that would become a beacon for neighbouring Arab countries in revolt that prompted the US to grant Egypt this special dispensation. It is this strategic concession that has allowed the UAE money to substitute for the IMF loans.

Ça plus change: The persistence of Mubarak's methods

This money, the promise of more funds, and continued US support for the SCAF to resist change and block the demands of the revolutionaries is said to have emboldened the members of the SCAF to deploy, with little embarrassment, Mubarak's same political rhetoric of delegitimising the opposition in order to stem the tide of the rising demands for political, economic, and juridical reforms.

While established Egyptian journalists and opposition figures are being referred to as "subversives" and "foreign" elements, the revolutionaries themselves who occupy Tahrir Square are being delegitimised as "not the same revolutionaries" who led the uprising against Mubarak, but rather as paid foreign agents and goons or "baltajiyyah" - the term used to describe Mubarak's thugs who descended on Tahrir Square before Mubarak's fall. This is not unlike the rhetoric used by Mubarak who identified the post-January 28 demonstrators as "infiltrators" who were "not the same" demonstrators who staged the initial 25 January demonstrations.

Indeed, the goons who attacked the marchers a few days ago in the Cairo neighbourhood of 'Abasiyya, injuring hundreds, have been identified by a member of the SCAF as "popular committees" of which no one had heard before his declaration. Indeed, Field Marshal Tantawi himself has identified the goons as "the people" of Egypt, who stopped the demonstrators from reaching the ministry of defence without interference by the SCAF, despite the presence of army soldiers in the neighbourhood who blocked the marchers with barbed wire and stood by idly as goons began to attack them.

Tantawi's assertion, however, is contradicted by the facts, including an investigation by journalist Yousry Fouda, who anchors the popular talk show Akhir Kalam. Fouda revealed that one of the leaders of the 'Abasiyya goons was indeed not even from 'Abassiya but from Ayn Shams, and was a member of Mubarak's Republican Guard and a regular pro-Mubarak and pro-SCAF demonstrator who even wrote a song praising the deposed dictator.

A return to Egyptian anti-Arab chauvinism

These facts aside, this delegitimising effort by the SCAF zeroed in on what it perceived would be a weak link, by targeting an Egyptian-Palestinian poet who supported the uprising. In doing so, the SCAF hoped to delegitimise the revolutionaries as "foreigners", while simultaneously reaffirming the Sadatist-Mubarakist isolation of Egypt from its Arab surroundings, even though the uprising ended in favour of seeking reintegration with the Arab world.

Born and brought up in Cairo, Tamim Barghouthi, son of prominent Egyptian novelist and literature professor Radwa 'Ashour, was singled out on national television by General Hasan al-Ruwayni, a member of the SCAF and Commander of the Central Military Region. Al-Ruwayni saw Barghouthi speak in favour of the revolution on a television talk show and described the poet as someone who "spoke with a foreign accent and has a foreign name and his looks are not the looks of Egyptians". In fact, Barghouthi, whose father is the prominent Palestinian poet and writer Mourid Barghouthi, speaks the Egyptian dialect which is native to him.

When the TV journalist clarified to al-Ruwayni the identity of the poet, al-Ruwayni attacked his Palestinian identity with such Sadatist and Mubarakist anti-Arab Egyptian chauvinism that one would have thought Mubarak was still at the helm. Al-Ruwayni declared that "the party that undertook national reconciliation for the Palestinians is Egyptian … Egypt has not exhausted its 86 million people … Egypt has great people …" Clearly Al-Ruwayni is only upset that an Egyptian who is part Palestinian is "interfering" in Egyptian affairs. A sentiment he never expressed with regards to constant US statements about the country, much less actual US intervention and interference in the country's affairs.

Such anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab venom from a member of the SCAF, one would think, would have immediately resulted in his dismissal or even court martial for instigating anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian hatred among Egyptians and urging Egyptians to uphold Sadatist Egyptian chauvinism and isolationism from their Arab milieu. A call that could be seen as threatening Egyptian national unity and cohesion if not national security, yet none of his colleagues on the council complained or criticised him publicly for his statements.

Pushing back

About 300 prominent Egyptian intellectuals issued a statement defending Barghouthi and condemning Al-Ruwayni's attack on him. Pro-uprising journalist Yousry Fouda also wrote a scathing editorial that attacked al-Ruwayni, who has since expanded his anti-Palestinian tirade into a full-scale attack on all political forces seeking revolutionary changes in the country. Thus, the April 6 movement, which was one of the leading organisers of the massive demonstrations that led to the downfall of Mubarak, was accused by al-Ruwayni of being recipients of foreign funding. He also claimed that its members were trained in Serbia and that the pro-democracy movement Kifayah ("Enough!") was a foreign movement.

Indeed, Military Communiqué number 69, issued by the SCAF last week, named the April 6 movement as pursuing a strategy that aims at "creating discord between the army and the people". One of Kifayah's leaders, George Ishaq, has challenged al-Ruwayni, who is clearly the SCAF's front man in charge of delegitimising the revolutionaries, to produce material evidence for his defamatory claim, and that if he is in possession of such evidence that it would be incumbent upon him to hand it over to the public prosecutor. Leaders of the April 6 movement are seeking to sue Al-Ruwayni in court, but his military colleagues claim that he cannot be sued in a civilian court and that he could only be subject to a military court. Indeed, Kifayah and April 6 have both decided to sue the SCAF for defamation.

Leading dissident intellectual Professor Hasan Naf'ah has challenged the SCAF in an editorial to issue a list of all foreign-funded organisations and their sources of funding, and demanded that the SCAF desist from making unfounded accusations against leading revolutionary movements. He added that the so-called neutrality that the SCAF claimed to have followed between the goons, which the SCAF reinvented as "popular committees" or later as the "people", and the marchers who were heading to the ministry of defence was no neutrality at all, but instead provided aid to the counter-revolution.

It is noteworthy that no one in the Egyptian press has so far reminded General al-Ruwayni that it is the Egyptian army, including the SCAF itself, who are on the payroll of a foreign country - namely the largest anti-democratic force in the world, the United States of America - which supported and upheld the very dictatorship whose overthrow the army did not help with but rather maintained "neutrality" towards, and that it is the US and the Saudis who are the leaders of the counter-revolution in Egypt.

Indeed in his most recent editorial in the Egyptian daily Al-Masry Al-Yawm, famous Egyptian novelist 'Ala Al-Aswani assailed the SCAF for not meeting a single demand of the uprising that brought Mubarak down, and finally questioning whether the SCAF is indeed "on the side of the revolution" at all.

The US and the SCAF

In the meantime, another member of the SCAF, General Muhammad al-'Assar, who is also assistant minister of defence, is in Washington DC attending "regular" meetings held twice a year for the past decade with his US counterparts for the purpose of "reviewing relations between the two countries". At the same time, the US Commander of AFRICOM, General Carter F Ham, visited Cairo for two days of meetings with members of the SCAF, including Field Marshal Tantawi himself, to discuss security issues in Africa, especially Libya, and US-Egyptian "training cooperation".

AFRICOM is one of nine Unified Combatant Commands of the US Department of Defense. As one of six that are regionally focused, it is devoted solely to Africa but excludes Egypt from its purview, as the latter is included in US Central Command, though AFRICOM "consults" with Egypt on "African security".

AFRICOM was created by the Bush Jr administration through a presidential order in 2007. It became fully operational at the end of 2008 and since then has sought to base itself on the African continent with much opposition led by South Africa. It has so far maintained its headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, though rumor has it that US President Barack Obama's help in bombing Libya has much to do with the expectation that the so-called Libyan revolutionary leadership will host AFRICOM headquarters soon after its takeover of the whole country.

As the US military works to constrain and contain Egypt regionally, American efforts also continue on the domestic front. Recently installed US ambassador to Egypt Ann Patterson has revealed that the US has already granted $105 million to various non-governmental organisations to "assist" with their participation in the political life of the country, something that many Egyptians oppose. This opposition prompted SCAF's General al-'Assar to claim that such funds led to some "confusion in the Egyptian street", when in fact there was no confusion at all, but rather much clarity about the US role in the country during the Mubarak regime and since his downfall. Recipients of US money, of course, are yet to be labelled by the SCAF as traitors or agents of a foreign power.

Follow the money

With the increasing chorus against the rule of the SCAF from intellectuals and revolutionaries, the major ally of the SCAF in the country remains the super-rich business class - which includes secularists and Islamists - which has so far vehemently refused to accede to the demand for a minimum wage for Egyptians (a mere 1200 Egyptian pounds a month, about US$200). It is joined by the Muslim brotherhood and various Salafist groups, which have threatened to end the sit-in in Tahrir Square by force Friday July 29, with a massive show of support for the military. On July 26, an agreement was finally reached between a number of forces, including the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis, on five demands to be made at the demonstrations on Friday 29th by all in order to maintain the "unity" of Tahrir Square.

The Muslim Brotherhood, which joined the revolutionary demonstrations late in the game and after much hesitation, may be looking for a wider role, now that the US administration has decided to speak to it openly (which has impelled it to refuse to join the July 8 sit-in). The Muslim Brothers may look like strange bedfellows with the SCAF and the business class, but if you follow the money back to Saudi Arabia and the United States, they are not at all. Indeed, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has threatened to have President Obama veto the new conservative Republican resolution to stop US aid to Egypt if the Islamists are elected, as it would interfere with her foreign policy strategy in the country.

While much of this does not augur well for the future of the uprising, some fear, and others are whispering calls for, a coup d'état to be staged by nationalist mid-level army officers who are not tainted by the corruption of their superiors or their subservience to the ancient regime to rid the country of the SCAF and begin with a clean revolutionary slate. As elections have been postponed until next November, the situation is getting increasingly tense and is gearing up to many possible confrontations - between the Islamists and other revolutionary forces, between revolutionary forces and the army, or within the army itself. The hands of the Americans and the Saudis in all this are too obvious to hide despite official rhetoric. In the meantime, the future of Egypt and Egyptians hangs in the balance.

Joseph Massad is Associate Professor of Modern Arab Politics and Intellectual History at Columbia University in New York.

The views expressed in the article are the author's own and do not necessarily represent Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/201172885752615193.html

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 03:54 PM

Tahrir square is unbeliable right now :eek:

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 03:59 PM

:no:
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/481448

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 04:02 PM

You guys have to open these 2 links:

Live updates: A blow by blow account of Egypt's 'Friday of popular will and united front'

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/1/17572/Egypt/Live-updates-A-blow-by-blow-account-of-Egypts-Frid.aspx

Tahrir updates: 28 secular parties and coalitions pulling out from square

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/481448

:mad: This is exactly why I did not go today.

The agreement today here in Cairo, was for all the political forces, from Liberals to leftists to Islamists, to protest for a previously agree on, UNIFIED list of demands (End to Military trials, trial of police officers accused of killing etc). HOWEVER, the Salafis and Islamists, being the deceitful liars that they are turned their back on the agreement, and starting protesting their Pro-Islamic Pro-Sharia statememnts saying things like "Islamiya Islamiya", "Egyptians want Sharia". etc. :bash:

What I want to know, is where were they during the revolution? Only after the revolution do they come out like cockroaches to try and hijack it and capitalize on everything other Egyptians have achieved. Welad kalb nasabeen. :bash:

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:06 PM

^^ if you actually read the 14:15 point
A group close to a small Salafi podium tries to chant, "We want to be a civil country," but is silenced by the surrounding mob. At the same time, a group of secular protesters inside the roundabout chants anti-military slogans.

The podium being managed by secular forces in front of the Mugamma tries to chant slogans about how civil the revolution has been.

on the other hand,
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/17617/Egypt/Politics-/Salafists-chants-overtake-Ibrahim%E2%80%99s-Mosque-square-.aspx

So it's MB in Cairo and Salafis in Alex :no:

Also I posted the link before you :smug:

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:09 PM

So my question is: Are the people in Tahrir square from MB or are they just part of the secular people that will leave as soon as possible?

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:17 PM

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:20 PM

Son, no ... no son. allow meh to enlighten you :) both MB and secular groups are in tahrir but the MB are ruining the day so the secular groups have better thing to do than wasting their valuable time so they are leaving. understood? GOOD! you're having a quiz tomorrow ;)

I understand but on ESC-1 state tv news they said that ''eshtebakat ben el tayarat al Islameya w 3lmaneya kan mmkn t7sal''

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:22 PM

I understand but on ESC-1 state tv news they said that ''eshtebakat ben el tayarat al Islameya w 3lmaneya kan mmkn t7sal''

no buts :nono: the secular groups decided not to waste their time with non constructive fights and so they are leaving. BTW The MB are using the Israel's techniques :|

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:23 PM

no buts :nono: the secular groups decided not to waste their time with non constructive fights and so they are leaving. BTW The MB are using the Israel's techniques :|

What technique? Dealing with people & then hijacking the opportunity?

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:27 PM

What technique? Dealing with people & then hijacking the opportunity?

spreading lies and non proved statements to bash the secular groups and ruin their image. they're basically playing dirty :|

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:30 PM

Wow.... I was happy this morning until i saw this :(

30 undocumented migrants found dead at sea

Security forces have discovered the corpses of 30 undocumented migrants in the Mediterranean Sea, north of Alexandria.

Preliminary reports said that young men from the governorates of Kafr al-Sheikh, Gharbiya, Damietta and Alexandria drowned while trying to emigrate from Alexandria to Italy. The migrants were reportedly on board a fishing vessel for a week before it sank.

Prior to the discovery, Brigadier General Abdallah Saad Khalil received a phone call from Mohamed Sabry Aleem, a resident in Beheira, telling Khalil that Aleem's brother Mahmoud and a group of young people had boarded a fishing vessel at San Stefano Port in Alexandria, heading to Italy.

He went on to tell Khalil that Mahmoud had called him three days later and told him the boat was disabled in an unknown location. Khalil then informed marine border guards, who eventually found the drowned vessel.

Security sources have arrested the owner of the vessel who planned the trip. Investigations revealed that he took LE50,000 from each passenger in exchange for organizing the trip, and that he received a phone call from one of the men on board the vessel before it sank, but did not inform the authorities. (He should get death penalty)
The lack of security presence at points of departure for undocumented emigrants at Egypt's northern coast has led to increased smuggling and migration in the last few months.

Translated from the Arabic Edition

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/481443

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 04:34 PM

So my question is: Are the people in Tahrir square from MB or are they just part of the secular people that will leave as soon as possible?

Son, no ... no son. allow meh to enlighten you :) both MB and secular groups are in tahrir but the MB are ruining the day so the secular groups have better thing to do than wasting their valuable time so they are leaving. understood? GOOD! you're having a quiz tomorrow ;)

No.

This is what happened. The agreement was for all the political forces, from Liberals to leftists to Islamists, to protest for a previously agree on, UNIFIED list of demands (End to Military trials, trial of police officers accused of killing etc). EVERYONE agreed and promised to this.

Today, the Salafis and the MB betrayed the agreement, and flooded the square in the thousands chanting Pro-Sharia and Pro-Islamic statements. As a result, the Secular/Liberal forces abandoned the protests and rightfully so.

El Salafayen dol awsakh nas. I was watching BBC Arabic and a reporter was interviewing the head of the Salafis at Tahrir, and asked him: "Wasn't there an agreement to protest only for the unified demands, as agreed upon with the other parties?" The Salafi tried changing the subject and had no real answer to this. Then the reporter asked him "Where where you during the revolution?" Again, the Salafi had no real answer to this and tried changing the subject.

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:39 PM

No.

This is what happened. The agreement was for all the political forces, from Liberals to leftists to Islamists, to protest for a previously agree on, UNIFIED list of demands (End to Military trials, trial of police officers accused of killing etc). EVERYONE agreed and promised to this.

Today, the Salafis and the MB betrayed the agreement, and flooded the square in the thousands chanting Pro-Sharia and Pro-Islamic statements. As a result, the Secular/Liberal forces abandoned the protests and rightfully so.

El Salafayen dol awsakh nas. I was watching BBC Arabic and a reporter was interviewing the head of the Salafis at Tahrir, and asked him: "Wasn't there an agreement to protest only for the unified demands, as agreed upon with the other parties?" The Salafi tried changing the subject and had no real answer to this. Then the reporter asked him "Where where you during the revolution?" Again, the Salafi had no real answer to this and tried changing the subject.

Anyway, Salafi's & MB are so overrated in Egypt... No chance they can benefit from the election & revolution.

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Anyway, Salafi's & MB are so overrated in Egypt... No chance they can benefit from the election & revolution.

Well they're doing a pretty damn good job hijacking the revolution, if they managed to rally tens of thousands in Tahrir and Alexandria today...

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:42 PM

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 04:43 PM

Well they're doing a pretty damn good job hijacking the revolution, if they managed to rally tens of thousands in Tahrir and Alexandria today...

10 of tousands doesn't express the will of 80 million egyptians ;)

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 04:47 PM

^^ Let's hope so.

how on earth did what I said differs? :sly:

You said MB where in Cairo, and Salafis were in Alex, when infact, the Salafis are controlling the show in both locations.

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 04:51 PM

^^ Let's hope so.

You said MB where in Cairo, and Salafis were in Alex, when infact, the Salafis are controlling the show in both locations.

:nono: MB are more dominant in Cairo and the Salafis are more dominant in Alex that what the sources say.

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 05:11 PM

I'm here, watching it on TV......

MASRI

July 29th, 2011, 06:48 PM

They flooded the square with buses coming in from all towns and cities...

This actually shows their weak power. Regular Egyptians are not joining them. It is Salafi's from all over Egypt having a meet-up :D:D

Happy Tahriristan Day. They'll be out of there by tomorrow.

The Army wasn't going to use power to end the Sit-in...so they got the Islamists to do it! :D

3adi ya gama3a. Mafeesh 7aga Inshallah.

Montrealers

July 29th, 2011, 06:50 PM

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 08:27 PM

MASRI

July 29th, 2011, 08:38 PM

Tahrir, filled with Egyptians from all walks of life, music, chants for a civil state, and Egyptian flags (not Saudi flags...)

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/359101981.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1311965467&Signature=GQVHf4AvPDIS1MFSoEb%2Fv7xn17E%3D

More importantly, the hijack-the-revolution Salafi's are gone. :)

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 09:28 PM

^^ Can't see the pic :(

عاجل: جماعة سلفية بميدان التحرير تهدر دم نجيب ساويرس وتهدده بالقتل اذا لم يحترم نفسه ويبعد عن التعرض للاسلام #Egypt #Tahrir #Jan25 #July29 #alex #suez #Salafy #Ikhwan

Savages.

Edit: Just saw a photo on TV of a Salafi in Tahrir today, he was holding a portrait up of Osama Binladen.

MASRI

July 29th, 2011, 09:49 PM

Some of them are maniacs. They really are. :lol:

Others actually sided with the revolutionaries and left until the maniacs were done.

Oh well...its a public square afterall. Let them protest as they will.

egypt69

July 29th, 2011, 10:48 PM

What the Salafis and MB left in Tahrir today:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/359105743.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1311973085&Signature=mZe%2BPjfrr6zL44GHVA32oCss9pQ%3D

Says a lot about what they are.

MASRI

July 29th, 2011, 10:50 PM

^^

Wow. Very clean and "Islamic" of them. :lol:

xAbd0o

July 29th, 2011, 10:55 PM

:lol::lol: clearly shows how they are revolutionaries. The first thing Egyptian did after Mubarak was ousted, I mean the next day they cleaned the streets and these guys are desperate to set a bad image of themselves.

MASRI

July 29th, 2011, 11:59 PM

We should not generalize when it comes to Salafi's though. :)

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=2a3nd.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

xAbd0o

July 30th, 2011, 01:24 AM

Well ofc :angel:

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 04:35 AM

So these Islamists are violent as well?

One army officer dead in clash in Egypt's Sinai

ISMAILIA, Egypt, July 29 (Reuters) - An army officer and two civilians were shot dead in clashes between an armed gang and Egyptian army and police in the north Sinai town of el-Arish on Friday, security sources said.

About a hundred armed men rode through el-Arish on motorcycles and vehicles waving flags with Islamic slogans and firing in the air, terrifying the local population, Sinai security sources said.

The gang then attacked a police station, engaging in a shootout with Egyptian police and army that left one army officer dead. A 70-year-old man and a 13-year-old boy who were caught up in the shooting died from bullet wounds.

Another army officer and 11 security guards were wounded in the attack and taken to an army hospital for treatment, MENA state news agency.

The identity of the attackers was not known.

Witnesses said the attackers, many of whom wore masks, did not seem to be from the area as they lost their way several times before reaching the police station. (Reporting by Mohamed Yusri; Writing by Marwa Awad; Editing by Sophie Hares)

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E7IT1QR20110729

RIP to the poor Soldier and the 2 civllians killed by these savages :ohno:

xAbd0o

July 30th, 2011, 04:43 AM

RIP :no: this is beyond anything, I'm actually sickened! those guys are working 24/7 to protect us and look what happen to them? absolutely no respect. :ohno:

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 04:52 AM

We ba3dein 3ayez a3raf, leih ya3ny? Howa 7ad 7aramhom men 7aga?? Aho they have the right to protest peacefully as they did in Tahrir square today. Eh lazmat el 3onf wel 2atl dah

Now because of this an army family got a phonecall tonight saying their son, husband or brother was killed in action :ohno:

MASRI

July 30th, 2011, 07:09 AM

It is unknown who is behind it yet. It is rumoured that Palestinian factions in Rafah are behind it.

4 dead thus far.

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 03:19 PM

Authorities arrest 5, identify 30 suspects in Arish police station clashes

Authorities have identified 30 and arrested five men they believe attacked a police station in North Sinai, security sources said Saturday.

On Friday, a large group of armed men rode through the town of Arish on motorcycles and in cars, waving flags with Islamic slogans and firing in the air, the sources said.

The military early Saturday announced it had arrested five suspects. Security authorities identified 30 others, all residents of North Sinai.

The assailants attacked a police station in Arish and exchanged heavy fire with policemen and army forces. The clashes continued into the night and ended when the assailants fled.

Other security sources told Al-Masry Al-Youm that the men belong to an extremist religious group.

Authorities believe extremist religious groups in Sinai are responsible for other attacks, the sources said. They estimate the groups have about 2000 members.

They believe these groups were also responsible for the Israel gas pipeline bombings and the attacks at Taba, Sharm el-Sheikh and Dahab since 2006.

Authorities also believe these groups were behind the burning of the same police station on 12 February this year, the sources said.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/481710

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 03:58 PM

Investigation reveals 10 thousand rounds were fired at Arish police station

Prosecution says thousands of grenades, gunfire and other types of weapons were used to attack Arish police station

The general prosecution has counted a total of ten thousand rounds fired in its investigation of the attack on the Arish police station by unknown gunmen. The investigation revealed that various firearms were used in the attack, which lasted a total of 9 hours.

The investigations also showed that the unknown gunmen hid behind houses surrounding the police station, which made it difficult for the security forces to gun them down.

The number of gunmen who attacked the station remains unknown. The gunmen also shot down a statue of former Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat before attacking the station and were seen holding aloft the Quran.

The clashes happened at the same time demonstrations in Arish and in other areas of Egypt were taking place, mainly in Cairo’s Tahrir Square staged by Islamic groups demanding the application of the sharia (Islamic) law and to convert Egypt into an Islamic state.

Five have been killed in the clashes, including one police officer and another army officer. The injured are estimated to be 21 in total.

The funeral of the police officer will be held this afternoon. A military funeral will be held for army officer that was killed.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/17701/Egypt/Politics-/Investigation-reveals--thousand-rounds-were-fired-.aspx

One of the slain police officers:

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285065_233075570075648_104224996294040_546236_5609121_n.jpg

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 05:13 PM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/267246_233095986740273_104224996294040_546291_6244827_n.jpg

The Army officer who was killed. RIP

egypt69

July 30th, 2011, 06:02 PM

:uh:

YANHAAAAR ISWWIDDD. LISTEN TO WHAT THE GUY AT 0:35 SAYS!

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:runaway:

Azmat

July 30th, 2011, 07:40 PM

:ohno:

Azmat

July 30th, 2011, 07:53 PM

19:00: Some secular groups and individuals return to Tahrir Square after most Islamist groups have left. Many denounce the fact that Islamists have hijacked the day.

15:10: Twenty-eight secular parties and coalitions have decided to pull out from Tahrir Square in opposition to what they are calling the Islamists' hijacking of the protests with their own demands.

14:20: Protesters from the Salafi movement chant, "Obama, Obama, we are all Osama." They also chant, "Shut up, shut up, you seculars. Egypt will continue to be an Islamic state."

14:15: A group close to a small Salafi podium tries to chant, "We want to be a civil country," but is silenced by the surrounding mob. At the same time, a group of secular protesters inside the roundabout chants anti-military slogans.

The podium being managed by secular forces in front of the Mugamma tries to chant slogans about how civil the revolution has been.

14:00: Speakers at the Muslim Brotherhood podium, the largest in the square, call for the release of detainees and Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who is currently serving a life sentence in an American prison on terrorism charges. They also reference "the uncontested Islamic identity of the Egyptian people, which is spelled out in Article 2 of the outgoing constitution."

13:30: In his sermon, Sheikh Mazhar Shaheen calls on Tahrir protesters to unite, and go with the will of the people.

"No one will impose anything on the Egyptian people," he says.

He criticizes foreign nations for intervening in domestic affairs and calls on Egyptians and their armed forces to protect the nation's sovereignty. While he criticizes the ruling military council for not giving a clear timeline for a transfer of power to a civilian government, he defends it for its showcase of strength and power.

13:20: Islamic preacher Yusuf al-Qaradawi calls on political movements and parties in Egypt to be united and stop accusing each other. Qaradawi also calls on people, in a speech he is delivering on behalf of Sheikh Essam Khalil, to hasten the process of achieving the revolution's demands based on a timeline.

He implores the young revolutionaries to preserve the civilized spirit of Tahrir Square and not to allow any party to abort the revolution.

12:00: All the entrances to the square are guarded by members of Salafi movement and the Muslim Brotherhood, who are wearing orange uniforms with Quranic verses written on them. Outside the square, ambulances are situated in three different locations.

A source at the the Ministry of Health tells Al-Masry Al-Youm that the ministry has taken unprecedented measures and placed all the nearby hospitals under alert. “This Friday is different, and clashes might erupt between the participants. Our duty is to be ready for everything. We've allocated eight stretchers ready to take any possible injuries from the square,” the source adds.

11:00: Islamic leader Safwat Hijazy addresses the audience from a podium run by a popular committee of the square. He asks protesters only to raise the Egyptian and Palestinian flags and chant: "We are all Egyptians," "The people and the army are one hand,” and "This is the will of Egyptians and this gathering is an expression of their unity. The demand of the people of Egypt is to refer to Sharia and the Quran."

10:30: Thousands of groups adhering to the Salafi movement arrive at Tahrir Square in buses from different governorates to take part in the protests. They chant, "We want it Islamic,” and "People want Sharia to be applied."

10:00: Hundreds of thousands reach Tahrir Square before Friday prayers to take part in the "Friday of Popular Will.”

The call to gather in Tahrir followed Islamic groups' rejection to the proposed supra-constitutional principles by the ruling military council to regulate the way in which a constituent assembly elected by parliament would draft the constitution. Islamists who foresee a strong presence for themselves in parliament do not want such principles to intervene with how the constitution is drafted.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/481554

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 04:01 AM

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«جمعة الدم» في العريش: تفاصيل محاولة إنشاء «إمارة سيناء الإسلامية

فى الوقت الذى كانت فيه أعين الجميع متجهة إلى ميدان التحرير يوم الجمعة الماضى، خوفاً على ميدان الثورة من «جمعة الدم» كان الرعب يسيطر على سيناء، بسبب اعتداء مجهولين يرفعون رايات سوداء لأول مرة تطالب بسيناء إمارة إسلامية.

كان المشهد مرعباً.. بقايا آثار الدماء هنا وهناك، فتحات دخول الطلقات على الحوائط ترسم خريطة معركة حربية مشتعلة دارت فى ذلك المكان، نظرات الخوف والرعب فى أعين الأهالى، وشهود عيان صامتون لا ينطقون خوفاً من قوة مجهولة، يمكنها أن تصفيهم جسدياً فى لحظات.

كانت تلك الصورة الأولى التى لاحظناها أمام قسم ثان العريش، الذى شهد واحدة من أكثر المعارك عنفاً وشراسة ليلة الجمعة، استمرت 9 ساعات كاملة، استخدمت خلالها ــ حسب المصادر الأمنية ــ ما يزيد على 15 ألف طلقة تم تجميع 10 آلاف 1مظروف فارغ من أمام الواجهة الأمامية للقسم، فضلاً عن عدة آلاف أخرى جُمعت من خلف القسم الذى هاجمه مسلحون ملثمون يرتدون ملابس سوداء ويحملون رايات سوداء، كتب عليها «لا إله إلا الله» و«سيناء إمارة إسلامية» وفرضوا عليه حصاراً من الخامسة عصر الجمعة حتى الثانية صباح السبت فى محاولة لاقتحامه، لكن بسالة رجال الشرطة ودفاعهم المستميت عن القسم حالا دون سيطرة المسلحين عليه.

لم تبدأ أحداث الجمعة المشتعلة بعد الصلاة كما يظن الكثيرون، لكنها بدأت فعلياً قبلها بيومين، تحديداً يوم الأربعاء عندما اجتمعت مجموعات من السلفية فى سيناء بمدينة الشيخ زويد لوضع خطة الجمعة الإسلامية وترتيبات المشاركة، وحسب المصادر الإسلامية فإن أحداً لم يكن يتوقع أو يخطط لأى هجوم، وكان الهدف مشاركة إسلامية سلمية، وهذا ما حدث فى بداية الأمر، إلا أن مصدراً آخر بمدينة العريش، قال إنه كانت هناك معلومات قبل يوم أو أكثر أمام بعض الجهات المعنية بانتظار حدث جلل يوم الجمعة.

الحقيقة هنا لها أكثر من رواية وأكثر من وجه، ففى الوقت الذى يحمّل فيه الجميع المسؤولية للسلفيين والجماعات التكفيرية عما حدث، فإن السلفيين ينفون ويؤكدون أنهم لم يشاركوا فى الأحداث، فيما وقع الإخوان بياناً نفوا فيه مشاركتهم فى الأحداث، ليبقى عدد من القوى السياسية ترى أن الجماعات التكفيرية فى سيناء وراء ما حدث.

فى البداية، بحسب المصادر، وقعت بعض المشادات بين الإسلاميين والسلفيين من جهة وبين المشاركين فى التظاهرة من القوى السياسية المختلفة، الذين اعترضوا على الشعارات الإسلامية من جهة أخرى، وقتها ردد بعض السلفيين عبارات تؤكد أن المد الإسلامى قادم من رفح، وتشير خريطة الجماعات الدينية فى سيناء إلى انتشار التيارين السلفى الجهادى والتكفيرى بشكل كبير فى مدينتى رفح والشيخ زويد.

عند الساعة الثانية تقريباً، كانت أعداد المشاركين وصلت إلى نحو 500 مشارك، كلهم من السلفيين والإسلاميين، كان المتظاهرون أنهوا للتو مسيرة صغيرة طافت أرجاء ميدان الرفاعى والشوارع المحيطة به عندما انطلقت ثلاث طلقات من مدفع آلى، وقتها وصلت للميدان قوة صغيرة من الجيش لتفقد الحالة الأمنية وطلبت عدم استخدام السلاح مطلقاً.

عند الثانية والنصف تقريباً دخلت الشوارع الجانبية المحيطة بالميدان 5 سيارات دفع رباعى بصحبة أكثر من 15 موتوسيكلاً تحمل مسلحين ملثمين يرتدى بعضهم ملابس سوداء، يحملون رايات سوداء، كتب عليها «لا إله إلا الله»، وبدأوا إطلاق النيران العشوائى فى كل مكان، وظهرت سيارات أخرى بيضاء دون لوحات معدنية مكتوب عليها «نعم.. سيناء إمارة إسلامية»، وفى غضون نصف ساعة تقريباً احتل المسلحون ميدان الرفاعى، وبدأوا إطلاق النيران العشوائى مع إطلاق هتافات إسلامية، ورُفعت لافتات تطالب بالإفراج عن أسامة النخلاوى ومحمد جايز ويونس السواركة ومحمد رباع، وهم المتهمون فى تفجيرات طابا من أعضاء تنظيم التوحيد والجهاد، الذى سبق أن دخل فى مواجهات ضخمة مع الشرطة فى سيناء.

فى الوقت نفسه، كان هناك ملثمون آخرون يتجهون إلى منزل محافظ شمال سيناء ويطلقون النيران أمامه بقوة، ولم يكن اللواء عبدالوهاب مبروك، المحافظ، فى منزله ولم يكن بالبيت أحد، كان المحافظ وأسرته غادروا العريش إلى القاهرة منذ ساعات قليلة، بحسب المصادر.

عند الرابعة وصلت دفعة جديدة من الإمدادات من رفح، هى ملثمون آخرون بأسلحة أحدث اقتحموا شاطئ البحر وأطلقوا نيراناً مكثفة فى الهواء، فى اللحظة نفسها وفى ميدان الرفاعى، كان المحافظ بدأ فى التفاوض مع الملثمين لمعرفة مطالبهم عبر الهاتف، وتلخصت فى إسقاط الأحكام الجنائية ومطالب أخرى، وعندما وافق على معظم المطالب مقابل إخلاء الميدان، رفض الملثمون الانسحاب واحتلوا أسطح المنازل وأطلقوا النيران على تمثال السادات الموجود بالميدان لهدمه وأحضروا لودر كبيراً لإسقاط التمثال.

وعند الساعة الخامسة تقريباً، كانت 4 سيارات جيب دون لوحات وعشرات الموتوسيكلات تطلق النار بالقرب من قسم ثان العريش، وكان من عليها يحملون الرايات السوداء نفسها، وجميعهم ملثمون. بلغت أعدادهم حوالى 25 مسلحاً ــ حسب أحد شهود العيان ــ ثم اصطفوا فى صف، كان به حوالى 14 مسلحاً والباقى انتشروا للتأمين، ووقف أمامهم قائد يلقنهم التعليمات، ثم تحركوا فى تشكيلات من 3 أفراد وانتشروا فى المكان وحاصروا مقر قسم ثان العريش.

المجموعة المسلحة التى تولت مهمة الهجوم على قسم ثان كانت الأكثر تدريباً وتنظيماً ضمن كل المهاجمين على العريش، يوم الجمعة الماضى، والتى تقدرهم مصادر بـ75 فرداً، وآخرون، يؤكدون أنهم كانوا فى حدود 50 مسلحاً.

أمام قسم ثان بدأت معركة وصفها الأهالى بأنها أعنف ما شاهدوه استمرت من الخامسة إلى الثانية صباحاً، وكانت المجموعة التى تحاصر وتهاجم مبنى القسم تحمل أسلحة أكثر حداثة من تلك الأسلحة التى كان يحملها المسلحون فى ميدان الرفاعى، وتضمن التشكيل أمام القسم اثنين من القناصة يحملان أسلحة متطورة جداً مزودة بكاتم صوت.

بعد مرور ساعة تقريباً على الهجوم، بدأ المسلحون يلتفون حول القسم لمحاصرته وضربه من الخلف، وقتها كان الجندى الذى يجلس على مدفع الجرانوف أعلى مبنى القسم قد أصيب وأصبح مدفع تأمين القسم من أى اقتحام لا يعمل، ساعتها صعد اللواء سميح أحمد بشادى، وهو منتدب فى مديرية أمن شمال سيناء، وجاء مسرعاً للدفاع عن القسم، وجلس بنفسه على المدفع ليصد هجوم المسلحين فى معركة استمرت أكثر من 9 ساعات. اللواء سميح اعتذر عن عدم التحدث إلينا واعتبر أن ما قام به جزء من واجبه، وتمت ترقيته إلى منصب حكمدار شمال سيناء بعد دفاعه المستميت عن القسم.

بعد ساعتين تقريباً من بدء الهجوم وصلت إمدادات الذخائر إلى المسلحين، بواسطة سيارات نصف نقل حديثة دخلت مسرعة إلى منطقة خلف فندق النصر الملاصق للمبنى وهى منطقة مليئة بالأشجار، كانت السيارات تحمل صناديق من الذخائر، وكان هناك شباب يتولون مهمة توصيل الذخائر إلى المقاتلين المسلحين.

عند الساعة العاشرة مساء كانت هناك إصابات بين 3 من المهاجمين اتخذوا على إثرها قراراً بالانسحاب من المكان، ودخلت مجموعة أخرى أقل تدريباً وحرفية لتواصل محاولتها اقتحام القسم حتى الثانية من فجر اليوم التالى، ورغم إعلان وزارة الداخلية عن القبض على 15 من المشتبه بهم، فإن أحداً لم يستطع الجزم بهوية منفذى الهجوم على العريش، وشهود العيان من سكان المنطقة المحيطة بالقسم أكدوا أن عدداً من المهاجمين ومن قام بمساعدتهم وإمدادهم بالذخائر، من أبناء المنطقة ومعروفون لديهم، والبعض الآخر قدموا من رفح والشيخ زويد، وكل المؤشرات ـ بحسب بعض المصادر ـ تؤكد أن منفذى الهجوم ينتمون للتيارات التكفيرية وهم منتشرون بصورة كبيرة فى رفح والشيخ زويد.

وفى الوقت الذى اتهمت فيه قوى سياسية سلفيين من الشيخ زويد بتدبير الهجوم على العريش، إلا أن الشيخ أبوأيوب، أحد قيادات التيار السلفى فى رفح نفى تماماً مشاركة السلفيين فى الاعتداء على العريش.

وبينما تجرى التحقيقات للتوصل إلى هوية الجناة، قالت مصادر سلفية أخرى إن مهربى المخدرات وتجار البشر عملوا على تلفيق تلك الاتهامات للسلفيين

Ana msh shayef eh el mofage2 ya3ni.... Talam el sha3b ded el geish w 3awzeen fawda, yb2a akeed 7ayeb2a fe 3ak fl balad. Mash7ad fa3lan sa3b bas 7ane3mel eh... Me7na ya nekhreb7a aw ne2amenha... w azon ya3ni el mash7ad beywageblna tare2 el balad l ray7a fi :(

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 02:55 PM

^^ Dol mesh shabab masr, dol 7ayawant erhabyeen min Palestine.

xAbd0o

August 1st, 2011, 03:15 PM

WOW! open the Egyptian channel. el tahriri is a chaos! lots of civil and military police forces but they're helping to clean off the square that's why it looks chaotic.

BTW I though there going to be ma2edat el ra7man in tahriri today :sly:

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 03:17 PM

^^ WTF I was there an hour ago and nothing was happening :?

Mister79

August 1st, 2011, 03:39 PM

Egypt army breaks up protest in Cairo's Tahrir Square
(2011-08-01)
Thousands of protesters gather in Tahrir Square in Cairo
(Reuters) -

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's army moved into Cairo's Tahrir Square Monday to break up a protest that had lasted more than three weeks after the main groups involved had said they would leave but a few hundred demonstrators had stayed put, state television reported.

Footage showed army vehicles in the square and people taking down tents and canopies. There were no immediate signs of any violence.

(Writing by Edmund Blair; Editing by David Stamp)
© Copyright 2011, Reuters

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wrni/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1834814/.World./Egypt.army.breaks.up.protest.in.Cairo%27s.Tahrir.Square

Breaking news: Military and police diperse Tahrir sit-in
Military police and CSF are tearing down protesters tents in Tahrir Square
Monday 1 Aug 2011

Military police and CSF moved to disperse the sit-in in the Tahrir square by force after all major political forces decided to suspend their participation in the sit-in until the end of Ramadan. Gun shots were heard in the square according to eye witnesses who told Ahram Online that the military police first said they would only open the square. Things turned rough as some protesters tried to stop them. Now both the military police and the CSF are tearing down the tents of protesters while chasing others escaping to the Omar Makram Mosque. The situation is extremely tense.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContent/1/64/17887/Egypt/Politics-/Breaking-news-Military-and-police-diperse-Tahrir-s.aspx

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 03:51 PM

My god....wow. So this happened minutes after I left?

There weren't even many protesters in the first place, there were tents set up and everything in Tahrir, but I didn't see any parties present, probably only a hundred taking part in the sit in, the martyrs families, and the rest were street sellers and homeless people.

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 03:59 PM

Large number of army is coming

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg741/scaled.php?tn=0&server=741&filename=i63fum.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 04:02 PM

W0yseVmbeKQ
GR1TCfCAkAE

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 04:22 PM

:ohno: :ohno:

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 04:44 PM

Ok seriously, none insult me... I think the military intervention was necessary. I trust the army, they don't want to stay in power and seeking to transfer the power to civilized government. On the other hand, permanent sit-ins was a threat to our country giving lack of security and ruining our economy. It was a harsh intervention against families of themartyr's but i don't understand what was the limit of their demand. Now, the sit-ins started to scare me as the islamist group started to do noises all-over the country.

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 05:06 PM

On the other hand, permanent sit-ins was a threat to our country giving lack of security and ruining our economy.

No it doesn't. How does a couple of tents pitch up in a square ruin a National Economy?

I was there and that's all that is. Life goes on as normal across the whole country. Even the mogamma3 right next to Tahrir Square is functioning normally.

Besides, peaceful assembly is a human right.

xAbd0o

August 1st, 2011, 05:07 PM

^^ it has to do with investments.but hey it's not like they kicked 'em out national tv said they went to tahriri to clean the square WITH the civilians.

Ok seriously, none insult me... I think the military intervention was necessary. I trust the army, they don't want to stay in power and seeking to transfer the power to civilized government. On the other hand, permanent sit-ins was a threat to our country giving lack of security and ruining our economy. It was a harsh intervention against families of themartyr's but i don't understand what was the limit of their demand. Now, the sit-ins started to scare me as the islamist group started to do noises all-over the country.

+1

MASRI

August 1st, 2011, 05:18 PM

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 05:21 PM

Let's be honest, the majority of Egyptians wanted this to happen.

I was personally expecting it to happen, but yesterday, not on the first day of Ramadan, when protestors are being beaten while fasting!!

Any one arrested must not be tried in a civilian court and be released.

Well, i heard the reason why the army broke the little mass in Tahrir square was due to ''ense7ab gamee3 l tayaran al seyassa mn maydan al tahrir' 3'ayt ma Ramadan yekhlas'' so they took the opportunity.

MASRI

August 1st, 2011, 05:27 PM

Well, i heard the reason why the army broke the little mass in Tahrir square was due to ''ense7ab gamee3 l tayaran al seyassa mn maydan al tahrir' 3'ayt ma Ramadan yekhlas'' so they took the opportunity.

Most Political factions halted all protests last night. Some citizens did not though.

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 05:28 PM

Guys, even though what I said earlier, I'll be totally honest with you. I was there MINUTES before this happened. And I can tell you there were no political parties present at all, there hardly any protesters, just the martyrs families, tents, street sellers and homeless people.

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 05:31 PM

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 06:05 PM

I still don't approve of what just happened though. It was way too violent and apparently some have been arrested

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 06:19 PM

I still don't approve of what just happened though. It was way too violent and apparently some have been arrested

Not as violent as we've seen the last months.

No it doesn't. How does a couple of tents pitch up in a square ruin a National Economy?

I was there and that's all that is. Life goes on as normal across the whole country. Even the mogamma3 right next to Tahrir Square is functioning normally.

Besides, peaceful assembly is a human right.

Untrue, our foreign direct investment falled by 75%

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 06:47 PM

Not as violent as we've seen the last months.

Untrue, our foreign direct investment falled by 75%

I wasn't disputing the fact that investment fell.

I was disputing your claim that it's because of the sit-in, which is basically a couple of tents in a square, not disrupting anything around them.

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 07:09 PM

I wasn't disputing the fact that investment fell.

I was disputing your claim that it's because of the sit-in, which is basically a couple of tents in a square, not disrupting anything around them.

Actually it was a sit-in planned allover Egypt.

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 07:21 PM

Yeah....but in squares only, not on airport runways or in the middle of roads or anything!

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 07:34 PM

Yeah....but in squares only, not on airport runways or in the middle of roads or anything!

But widespread strikes occured in the country.

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 07:40 PM

That's something else then, so don't blame the sit in ;)

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 07:45 PM

Egypt’s stocks drop after anti-military protest
Egyptian stocks fell to the lowest in more than a week after clashes that erupted in central Cairo between supporters and opponents of the ruling military council injured more than 300 people.

The benchmark EGX 30 fell for the fifth day, declining 0.8 percent to 5093.74 at 12:10 pm in Cairo. Twenty one stocks fell, two rose and seven were unchanged. The measure has declined 29 percent this year following the popular revolt that ousted President Hosni Mubarak.

"I would say that the weekend events are affecting the market negatively," said Ashraf Akhnoukh, senior equity sales trader at Cairo-based Commercial International Brokerage. "However, it is not that bad as volumes are extremely low so far. The low volumes are a sign of uncertainty from investors, and show that there is no panic."

Protesters used knives and swords in the clashes on 23 July and the army blocked the road leading to the Ministry of Defense in Cairo, Al-Jazeera reported. Al-Arabiya reported that one person was killed and 308 injured during the protests. Egypt's Health Ministry later denied that anyone was killed.

Egyptian Prime Minister Essam Sharaf called on political leaders and protesters to work on restoring order in the city, according to a posting by Egypt's cabinet.

Orascom Construction Industries, the biggest publicly traded builder in Egypt, declined 1.2 percent to 264.6 Egyptian pounds. Talaat Moustafa Group Holding, the largest publicly traded real-estate developer in Egypt, fell 1.1 percent to 4.39 pounds.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/480389

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 07:57 PM

Again, that's NOT the because of the sit-in. That's because of the violence in Abassia.

Azmat

August 1st, 2011, 08:55 PM

Did people get hurt? I don't have time to read all this can someone give me a quick summary of what happened?

egypt69

August 1st, 2011, 09:22 PM

Did people get hurt? I don't have time to read all this can someone give me a quick summary of what happened?

I went to Tahrir at noon, realized the sit in had ended the night before, but I sat with the martyrs families and took some pics of the place. There werent many, the people there were mainly street sellers, and street kids and homeless people. There were several tents though, albeit, empty ones. So after establishing that there wasn't much left to do since all the political parties left last night, I left Tahrir at 2.

Apparently just MINUTES after I left, the military invaded the square, tearing down all the tents and kicking everyone out of the square in order to reopen traffic and the area. Some people fought back and things escalated from there, but no major injuries or fatalities. In the end, they cleared the square completely and now everything is back to normal there.

Azmat

August 1st, 2011, 10:07 PM

How random, why today? They've been there for months...

Azmat

August 1st, 2011, 11:17 PM

Doesn't look very violent...

iGNwPblzJBI

Montrealers

August 1st, 2011, 11:44 PM

Doesn't look very violent...

iGNwPblzJBI

Wow, the police & army did a quiet good job afterall.

Azmat

August 2nd, 2011, 04:06 AM

Secular parties to form coalition against religious movements

Professor of Political Science Amr Hamzawy, in a conference of five political parties on Sunday, said secular political parties would form a coalition next week in order to face the religious parties during upcoming parliamentary elections.

“The calls for a religious state by Islamic groups during last Friday’s demonstration encouraged the liberal parties to take this step,” he said. “Voters will have to choose between a religious and a secular state.”

Hamzawy called for supra-constitutional principles so as to prevent the Islamists from forming a religious state should they win the elections. “The nature of the state should not be determined by any particular group,” he said.

Democratic Front Party President Osama al-Ghazaly Harb said liberalism does not contradict any of the Abrahamic religions. “Those who are against liberalism and freedom of thought will pull us into a dark cave,” he said. “Only a secular state can regulate the relationship between religion and governance.”

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/482422

:cheers:

Montrealers

August 2nd, 2011, 04:20 AM

Secular parties to form coalition against religious movements

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/482422

:cheers:

That's what is needed.

egypt69

August 2nd, 2011, 04:43 AM

WHERE DO I SIGN UP :rock:

UAE_isthebest

August 2nd, 2011, 12:26 PM

Egypt military arrests BBC journalist

Egypt's military arrested a BBC journalist when it cleared out a central Cairo protest that left several protesters injured and dozens detained, officials with the British broadcaster said on Tuesday.

Shaimaa Khalil was detained on Monday after the military, backed by riot police, cleared the three-week sit-in in Tahrir Square, they said.

The BBC's foreign editor John Williams wrote on his Twitter account that the broadcaster was trying to secure her release.

"Very concerned at the detention of Shaimaa Khalil in Cairo -- a good journalist doing her job. Doing all we can to secure her release," he wrote.

Khalil had been posting updates on Twitter before her arrest.

""Careful!' someone just told me. 'They arrest anyone taking photos," she wrote.

Witnesses said soldiers and police beat demonstrators and broke mobile phones, targeting anyone taking pictures.

The legal rights group the Front for Defending Protester Detainees in Egypt said that more than 80 people were arrested.

The protesters in Tahrir had refused to end their sit-in after political factions withdrew for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which started in Egypt on Tuesday.

Source (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/egypt-military-arrests-bbc-journalist-093709120.html)

WTF! :bash: Why the hell would they do that?! Egyptian military will look like fools now worldwide. :ohno:

Montrealers

August 2nd, 2011, 05:15 PM

WTF! :bash: Why the hell would they do that?! Egyptian military will look like fools now worldwide. :ohno:

Our army ain't fools and secondly, she have been released ;)

egypt69

August 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM

Mubarak's Trial is tomorrow guys.

All eyes on Mubarak as he falls into court

Several months ago the idea of trying Hosni Mubarak in Egypt would have seemed absurd, but ‎now it could be happening

One show in Ramadan is set to steal the limelight from the holy month’s traditional fare of televised entertainment as the much-anticipated trial of ousted president Hosni Mubarak gets underway in a few hours. Speculation is rife amidst uncertainties that for the past months have surrounded the possibility of trying the 83-year-old.

Mubarak, who was deposed on 11 February in the wake of the 18-day uprising that sparked the January 25 revolution, should stand trial on 3 August along with both of his sons, Alaa and Gamal, as well as ex-minister of interior Habib El-Adly and six of the latter’s assistants.

Lecture hall number 1 at the Police Academy -- based in New Cairo on the outskirts of the capital – will host the opening session on Wednesday. The media will be allowed to cover the trial’s consecutive sessions from inside the courtroom. Only Egyptian State TV will be able to broadcast the trial. Authorities have announced that 600 people will be allowed into the courtroom, including lawyers of the defendants, family members of those injured or killed during the uprising and press.

The trial’s venue was changed as recently as Saturday. It had due to be held at the Cairo International Convention Centre but was moved to the Academy for security reasons, informed sources said.

Mubarak behind bars?

The defendants, who are accused of involvement in the killing of peaceful protesters during the January 25 revolution and face potential death sentences should they be found guilty, ought to appear behind bars, like El-Adly did while wearing the blue prison vest in a previous court session.

On Sunday, Egypt's Prosecutor-General Abdel Meguid Mahmoud asked Minister of Interior Mansour El-Eissawi and the Ministry of Health to instigate the transfer of Mubarak from the International Sharm El-Sheikh Hospital to Cairo.

Yossri Abdel Razek, one of the lawyers representing the former commander-in-chief, confirmed that his client will be in court. According to media reports, however, Mubarak is likely to miss the opening session, with his “deteriorating health” likely to be cited as an excuse.

The past few months have seen many contradictory claims emerge over his health, not to mention rumours of his passing. He is said to be suffering from severe cancer and heart problems as well as chronic depression. Almost a week ahead of the trial, it was reported that Mubarak is refusing to eat or drink.

All of this has left an impression that Mubarak will not stand trial on Wednesday. “The law stipulates that if the defendant is unable to move because of illness, his trial will be put off,” legal expert Zakaria Abdel Aziz told Egyptian satellite channel OnTV. “He might attend the sessions while lying on a bed or sitting in a [wheel] chair, but if his transportation will jeopardise his life and his lawyers submit official documents that verify that, the trial has to be postponed. He cannot be sentenced in absentia and the judges cannot go to him. He must be present,” he explained.

It is understood that Mubarak, who has been held captive in hospital and not incarcerated in Tora Prison like the other defendants due to his reported health problems, will be transferred to the Police Academy by helicopter.

The Health Ministry stated that “there is an emergency plan in case anything unexpected happens.” An ambulance and a host of doctors will be stationed near the courtroom for his treatment if needed.

“It is the responsibility of the Health Ministry to take care of former President Hosni Mubarak’s health, since he resides in one of its hospitals in Sharm El-Sheikh,” Minister of Health Amr Helmi said. “The ministry is also responsible for his transportation and will provide doctors to escort him on his way to Cairo.”

Helmi also revealed that the latest medical reports state that Mubarak’s condition is fairly stable and will not prevent him from travelling to Cairo or attending the session.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Interior has assigned 1100 policemen to secure the Police Academy.

Other military forces will also be deployed to protect the facility and secure the roads from which the defendants will arrive.

A reputable judge, 800 defence lawyers

Reputable judge Ahmed Fahmi Refaat has been commissioned to preside over the historical trial.

Refaat, who has previously overseen a number of political cases, has never been perceived as one of the judges who tends to favour the former regime, having sentenced ex-parliamentarian and NDP member Tarek El-Sowesi to 15 years in prison for being involved in a notorious relics smuggling racket. He also returned other verdicts seemingly without considering the best interest of Mubarak’s government.

The ousted president, however, will not be without strong representation. According to his defence team’s official Facebook page, 800 lawyers volunteered to defend Mubarak. Only 50 of them will appear in the court, with Farid El-Deeb leading the team. The rest of the lawyers will be standing outside the hall wearing their robes and forming a human shield along with the disciples of the once untouchable.

An appeal was lodged to prevent Mubarak being tried in a criminal court. One of Mubarak’s lawyers, Abdel Razek, said: “Once the Egyptian people will see him they will refuse the prosecution of their president, who is deemed one of the country’s figures.”

Alaa Abdel Nabi, an engineering student and Mubarak devotee who acts as an administrator for the Facebook page The Union of Mr. President Mohamed Hosni ‎Mubarak’s Fans, is planning to go to the Police Academy on Wednesday. He told Ahram Online that “there is news that he won’t come but we will be at the Police Academy just in case. We will stress our refusal of his trial.

“The supporters of Mubarak will form a line behind the lawyers [who will be forming a human shield] … We are throwing ourselves forward with all our weight on that day, we are expecting around 30,000 to come for the ex-president.”

The families of the martyrs and many anti-Mubarak people and political forces are widely expected to be present outside the hall as well.

The attendees will be allowed to get in from gate 8 while the Ministry of Interior has allocated 20 microbuses to transport them. Private vehicles are strictly prohibited.

Trying and convicting Mubarak has been one of the most prioritized as yet unmet demands of the uprising, with many of the martyrs' families holding him culpable for the loss of their sons, daughters and siblings.

The “unattained retribution” primarily urged many political forces and protesters to start a new sit-in in Tahrir Square on 8 July in order to pile pressure on the authorities to take firmer action against Mubarak, who is also accused of illicit profiteering, and fulfill the other demands too.

Only two days ahead of Mubarak’s trial, on the first of Ramadan, military police and central security forces forcibly dispersed what was left of the demonstrators, after the majority of the protesters suspended the sit-in until further notice.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/17904/Egypt/Politics-/All-eyes-on-Mubarak-as-he-falls-into-court.aspx

Mubarak trial may scare Arab rulers, placate Egyptians

(Reuters) - Egypt's fallen leader, Hosni Mubarak, goes on trial Wednesday over his role in killing protesters, in a stark message to Arab rulers elsewhere that they too may one day be held to account.

In domestic politics, putting the former president in the dock may help quell criticism of the generals now running Egypt, suspected by protesters of protecting their former commander.

Egyptians camped out in Cairo for more than three weeks in July demanded faster reforms by the army council, in power since Mubarak was ousted on February 11, including swifter trials of Mubarak and his aides over corruption and protester deaths.

Many suspect the military of foot-dragging over Mubarak, in hospital since April in Sharm el-Sheikh, a Red Sea resort.

"The army has interests with the old regime. They are not doing anything for the people. They worked with Mubarak. They will not harm him, I swear," Safa Mohamed, 41, said in Suez, scene of some of the worst violence in the 18-day uprising.

If convicted, Mubarak could face the death penalty. But few expect that outcome, even if some protesters want it.

Many Egyptians will be pleased just to see him in court and in the cage where defendants in Egyptian criminal trials stand. One has been erected in the Police Academy in Cairo which was named after Mubarak. His name has now been stripped off.

A source close to Mubarak said last week that his lawyer would tell the judge that his client was too ill to attend. But the health minister said Tuesday he could be moved.

Protesters are likely be enraged if he does not come.

"The trial of Mubarak is a lesson to candidates for the presidency to know the fate of those who try to violate the freedom of the people or become autocratic," said senior Muslim Brotherhood member Essam el-Erian.

He was speaking to the state-run daily Al-Ahram, a newspaper that would never have run a statement from the group while Mubarak was in power and the Brotherhood was banned. The group has now emerged as one of several influential political forces.

CONCESSIONS

The trial will have a wider impact in the region too.

"It is also a warning message to all Arab rulers who use the same methods as Mubarak that they have to guard against a popular uprising, because if it succeeds then they are going to face the same fate," said political analyst Mustapha al-Sayyed.

The message may have already reached Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, who have shown no sign of quitting. Nor have they offered concessions akin to those Mubarak offered in vain in his final days in office when he named a vice president and pledged not to seek another term.

Gulf Arab states may also have been watching Egypt closely. An army source told Reuters that Saudi Arabia and others were quietly pressing the army to spare Mubarak, a former ally. His trial sets an uncomfortable precedent for Arab autocrats.

But in an interview with Egyptian television, the Saudi ambassador to Cairo denied any such intervention, saying that Riyadh's links with Mubarak had ended the day he stepped down and that his trial was a matter for Egyptians.

Mubarak is not first Arab leader to be tried since the start of this year's 'Arab Spring'. Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali was tried and sentenced in absentia because he fled to Saudi Arabia. Mubarak stayed in Egypt, swearing to die there.

Mubarak is standing trial alongside his two sons, Gamal, a former banker once seen as being groomed for top office, and Alaa, who had business interests. Also on trial will be former Interior Minister Habib al-Adli and six of his deputies.

Another defendant, business executive and Mubarak confidant Hussein Salem, was detained in Spain.

Charges range from conspiring over the killing of demonstrators to abuse of power to amass wealth.

The court was originally planned to be set up in an exhibition and convention center near central Cairo, but was later moved to the Police Academy on Cairo's outskirts.

It is the same complex where Mubarak delivered a speech on January 23, just two days before protests erupted. Much of his address discussed the bombing of a church at the start of 2011.

"I and all Egyptians salute policemen on their day of celebration and affirm our pride in their role and sacrifice. We tell them: we appreciate all your efforts to fight crime in all its forms and your handling of security in our society," he said then.

On January 25, protesters took to the streets. Cairo and other cities soon became battle zones between demonstrators and police who used gunfire, rubber bullets, water cannon and batons.

After several days of violence, when buildings were torched and cars wrecked, police were withdrawn and the army moved in to take control. Soldiers were met with cheers from the crowd.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/02/us-egypt-mubarak-idUSTRE77126J20110802

egypt69

August 2nd, 2011, 09:20 PM

Mubarak to face three separate charges and possible death sentence

According to his criminal court summons, deposed president Hosni Mubarak is to face three separate charges during his trial, which is set to start on Wednesday.

He stands accused of killing demonstrators during the uprising that forced him from power, profiteering by abusing his position of power, and exporting gas to Israel for prices lower than international market rates.

If Mubarak is convicted, he will face sentences ranging from five years imprisonment to the death penalty.

His sons Alaa and Gamal are only charged with profiteering by abusing their father’s power, charges that carry potential sentences of between five and 15 years in prison.

Fugitive business tycoon Hussein Salem is charged with giving the other defendants presents in return for certain favors, which the law also punishes by five to 15 years in prison.

Former Interior Minister Habib al-Adly and his aides are charged with killing demonstrators during the revolution, which the law punishes by 15 years in prison or the death penalty.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/nodae/482662

Final preparations made for transfer of Mubarak to court

The Health Ministry has provided a team of doctors to accompany deposed President Hosni Mubarak as he is flown by helicopter from Sharm el-Sheikh International Hospital to the Police Academy in Cairo, where he will undergo the first session of his trial on Wednesday.

Medical sources said Mubarak’s health condition is stable but his psychological status is deteriorating.

Security forces will cordon off the academy and the roads leading to it as of 5 am on Wednesday, allowing only the plaintiffs, the defense teams and the media to pass. They will place metal detectors and trained police dogs at the entrances to the academy.

Sources said such security measures are necessary to protect the defendants, who will arrive at 7 am, from possible assaults.

They also said that the armed forces will be responsible for securing the academy from outside while the police will secure it from the inside.

They added that Mubarak’s sons, former Interior Minister Habib al-Adly and four of his aides will be moved from Tora Prison to the courtroom in a convoy of three bulletproof vehicles followed by two police cars and two motorcycles. Thirty-five police personnel will be present.

Security sources warned of clashes between the public and Mubarak’s supporters outside the courtroom. The defense team is expected to request that the trial be postponed in order to study more than 9000 pages of case documents, while Mubarak’s lawyer Farid al-Deeb is expected to request that his client be exempted from attending the proceedings due to his deteriorating health condition.

Security sources said the army is deploying extra troops to secure the Suez Canal in anticipation of possible terrorist attacks during the trial.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/482669

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 05:17 AM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198777_228066900570483_202979213079252_653067_4750253_n.jpg

:laugh:

xAbd0o

August 3rd, 2011, 05:33 AM

the Ministry of Interior has assigned 1100 policemen to secure the Police Academy.

800 lawyers volunteered to defend Mubarak. Only 50 of them will appear in the court

leih kol dah? I thought he was suppose to be treated like anyone else.

Alaa Abdel Nabi, an engineering student and Mubarak devotee who acts as an administrator for the Facebook page The Union of Mr. President Mohamed Hosni ‎Mubarak’s Fans, is planning to go to the Police Academy on Wednesday. He told Ahram Online that “there is news that he won’t come but we will be at the Police Academy just in case. We will stress our refusal of his trial.

:rofl: this guy is living in a different dimotion he must be BTW 2mot wa3raf kam wa7ed 3amal like lesaf7a ana bafakar 23mel like 3shan bas myet7ergosh :lol:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 05:46 AM

Knowing how many time they tried to kill him... I fear someone would try to kill him...Guys don't forget Islamists failed 7 time to assassinate him!

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 06:12 AM

leih kol dah? I thought he was suppose to be treated like anyone else.

Well he's a high profile suspect, and a very possible target of an attack, in the end, he has the right to security. The same would be done to any Egyptian suspect whose safety is threatened.

And as for the 800 lawyers, they are not provided by the government of course, he hired them all himself, anyone in Egypt can hire as many lawyers as they want if they have the money! :)

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 09:16 AM

OMGGGGGGGG .... Mubarak 3ala wa2t el so7or... eh sad el nafs da

I am soo excited and worried bout the first moment of the apparition of Hosny Mubarak!!!

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 09:44 AM

THE TRIAL IS LIVE ON STATE TV

Watch a live stream online in Arabic: http://www.nilesports.tv/egypt-tv-1.htm or http://mubasher-misr.aljazeera.net/

Watch a live stream in English here, via AL Jazeera English : http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

He is supposed to have arrived in Cairo from a while ago, they showed the plane landing near the courtroom, he is yet to appear visually on TV though and in the courtroom.

Also I'm pretty sure CNN has coverage of the trial.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QjhPOvvGk9Q/Tjj7fpQfWHI/AAAAAAAAQOs/fKc19HQKqKo/s1600/95bkub.jpg

People watching it on a TV on the streets of Downtown Cairo:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/363166635.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1312358685&Signature=Vv49xgUquQvm2h9UMCkrTLSdBq8%3D

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09Te3n747ddD3/610x.jpg

Mubarak supporters and Anti-Mubarak clashed outside the courtroom:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01vldSx5HlddG/610x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09TgcbF82m2PO/610x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dNS6kugwP0G0/610x.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cn043g3XK70g/610x.jpg

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 09:55 AM

7ay2at el qada2 is about to enter :cheers:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 09:59 AM

Hosny Mubarak is about to enter... El 3adly gamal w kolohom 3ala entebah el dokhol!!!!!!!!!!!!! Khalas dakhalo kollohom :D

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 10:01 AM

Habib El Adly, Gamal Mubarak, Alaa Mubarak are in the cage! #Mubaraktrial

MUBARAK HAS APPEARED ON A STRETCHER! OMG THIS IS SURREAL #mubaraktrial

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 10:19 AM

Mubarak, completely conscious, hair dyed, clean shaven, on a bed in the courtroom. Looking way too healthy to be on a bed. definitely an attempt to gain sympathy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHf7HNTU6Ag/TjkA4RYZ-BI/AAAAAAAAQO0/-cnlRhgFXbY/s1600/x2_78512b9.jpg

Gamal Mubarak, El Adly in the courtroom
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RWhsPOX8aro/TjkBWw7-V_I/AAAAAAAAQO8/nTpxkdfXXcA/s1600/hlqqr.jpg

Judge has warned any disturbances in the courtroom will result in a 24 hour detention.

Judge calling out the name of the defendants who reply with "Afandam" (Present your honor). Never thought I'd hear these words out of these people's mouth.

Wide shot of the cage:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg739/scaled.php?tn=0&server=739&filename=znicp.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 10:28 AM

It took 20 minute to temper the situation between pro & cons lawyers

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 10:49 AM

From the Mubarak parody twitter account: http://twitter.com/#!/NotMobarak He says: "Zzzzzzz" :lol:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 11:13 AM

Mubarak drilling his nose. http://t.co/cV7IcM4 :hilarious

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 11:19 AM

But seriously, is it just me or we really didn't hear Hosny Mubarak name at all????? :mad:
Di makanetsh galsa, kanet kharaba!!!

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 11:29 AM

Fight between pro and anti Mubarak is creating chaos outside the court.... Many arrest & 1 police officier unofficial reported to be injured.

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 11:59 AM

Update: Mubarak Senior, Gamal and Alaa Mubarak were just presented with the charges against them and asked to speak, they each denied all charges. Chills down my spine as I heard Mubarak say "here your honor"

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 12:21 PM

12:08: A lawyer for the martyrs' families asks the judge to summon Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawy, the head of the ruling Supreme Council of Armed Forces and Sami Anan, the army chief of staff, to interrogate them about who ordered the repression of the revolution.

12:04: The former president and his two sons respond to charges leveled against them. All three say: "I completely deny all the chrages against me."

12:02: The prosecutor lays out the four main charges against Mubarak: 1) He conspired with Adly in the premeditated killing of protesters who were demanding reform and protesting against poor social, economic and security conditions. 2) He approved the use of live fire for the crime and also approved of running over protesters with cars in order to hold on to the presidency. He is responsible for the murder of Ahmed Mahmoud, Mohamed Faramawy, and others. 3) He took for himself and his sons five villas for LE39.75 million by way of fraudulent contracts with Hussein Salem (also a defendant in the case). 4) He benefited from his position by selling Egyptian gas to Israel through the Eastern Mediterranean Gas company, represented by Salem. He also collaborated with Sameh Fahmy to sell gas at artificially low prices that benefited him.

egypt69

August 3rd, 2011, 02:27 PM

Court has been adjurned, El Adly's trial will continue tomorrow, Mubarak's on the 15th of August.

One of Mubarak's defense lawyers claimed that the "real" Mubarak died in 2004, and this is a fake Mubarak in front of us :colbert: Making mubarak smile, here's the video:

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Azmat

August 3rd, 2011, 05:53 PM

This has been a historical day, for the first time in our history a corrupt dictator has been brought to court. :cheers:

One of Mubarak's defense lawyers claimed that the "real" Mubarak died in 2004, and this is a fake Mubarak in front of us :colbert:

What a clown. :lol:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 06:23 PM

:lol:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 06:30 PM

Hosny Mubarak trial has been adjourned to 15 august as he'll be transferred to a medical center while Habib El Adly among others accused will continue tomorrow.

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 08:09 PM

ليبيا تعلن الحرب على إيطاليا وتطلق صاروخا ضد سفينة إيطالية

:eek:

xAbd0o

August 3rd, 2011, 09:50 PM

:cheers2: thank you mubarak for ruining my day :| did you even see how 3ala2 was blocking the camera[@ the end]? they never learn :ohno:

Montrealers

August 3rd, 2011, 10:21 PM

Video of the day
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Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 02:08 AM

Mubarak won’t leave Police Academy until trial concludes

Former President Hosni Mubarak will stay at the Police Academy's hospital in the fifth settlement in New Cairo until his trial concludes, an informed source said.
Mubarak's stay in the academy hospital is intended to guarantee his attendance throughout the trial, which started early Wednesday, the source said.

A return back to Sharm el-Sheikh, where he has been receiving treatment since April, would be unsuitable for the ex-president's health, the source said.

Judge Ahmed Refaat announced three days ago that the trial would take place in consecutive sessions.

Translated from the Arabic Edition

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/482916

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 02:24 AM

huh? I just saw his helicopter flying :nuts: is it flying to the hospital?

BTW did you guys notice that when they went to the police cars they were free? I mean I understand that there are too much police 1100 :nuts: and you also have the army, kowat el sa3ka and unit 777 too bas bardo kan lazem yelabesohom el kalabshat.

Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 02:36 AM

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 02:37 AM

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 02:41 AM

:laugh: I mean in the news.

@kimo yeaaaaaaa exactemo he even shared a joke with the officer :bash: 2mot wa3raf bet7ak 3ala eih :P

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 02:53 AM

Spaking of police...I just had a very bad experience :ohno:

I was sitting in the living room, then I heard a woman shouting "Help! Help!" so I open my door, and it was coming from the apartment 2 floors below mine. I run downstairs, and there's a woman outside her flat and she's screaming and telling me there's a robbber in her apartment, who she heard, and he locked himself in the house.

So I try smashing the door open by kicking it, while dialing the police emergency number: 122. I managed to break part of it, but another neighbor who has a carpenting kit and tools came and we used the tools to break the door. But the robber had locked the door with a chain! ALL THIS TIME FOR THE ENTIRE 4 MINS IT TOOK TO BREAK THE DOOR, THE POLICE WERE NOT ANSWERING THE PHONE.

Then we finally broke the door open, and we told the woman to stay outside, me and the guy who brought the tools, picked up a crowbar and a hammer to use as weapons and proceeded to clear the apartment and search it. It was clear. All this time the police still had not answered the phone!

So in the end, the woman called a relative of hers who's a police superintendent and they said they would dispatch officers to come collect fingerprints and stuff. I hung around for about 20 more mins, by which time the police still had not arrived. So I left the woman with the other neighbour, told them to call me if anything happens, and I went back to my appartment because I didn't want to leave my mom and little brother in the house alone.

Shofto ba2a el 2amn ele fe masr ba3d el thawra. Wala shorta wala 7aga. 15 mins on the phone and they never answered. :ohno:

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:04 AM

:ohno: that's awful! BTW it hasn't changed much from before the revolution. it's even shown in every Egyptian film the police come at the last moment. but in your case they didn't come at all anyways I see no different between coming late and not coming at all we can always go to the station 3ashan nefta7 el ma7dar :|

BTW this is why we need a completely different system and ideology for our police. here in the UK if you're a women and pregnant you can ask the police for his hate to pee in meanwhile in Egypt I cannot express the brutality :\

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:05 AM

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:07 AM

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, you guys actually live in apartments? I'm utterly disappointed. how unelite :ohno:

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 03:08 AM

But I'm sure they would have at least answered the phone before the revolution!

I'm telling you, I called 122 and for 15 minutes no one picked up. What if the robber was in the house and was armed....eh el balad el fashla di. If this happened to me in Canada, several police cars would be at my house in minutes.

Fa3lan like they said, the lives of Egyptians are the cheapest thing in Egypt.

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:09 AM

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, you guys actually live in apartments? I'm utterly disappointed. how unelite :ohno:

Why don't you try finding a villa for sale in the middle of Alexandria? It's actually in a very affluent area though and the apartment cost around 1.8 million L.E. Ali Seif's company built it. ;)

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:10 AM

Here in the UK they advise you to shut the heck up and the mostyou should say is get out other than that you better leave him do whatever he want to do and when he leave or if he didn't notice you call the police. and ofc b/c you have insurance everything will be back as good as new :P

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 03:10 AM

:eek:

Where did the guy go? Was he still locked up in the building when the police came or did he jump from the balcony?

Why didn't you call security? There are always like two guards downstairs armed with batons (and a gun I believe but they don't usually carry it around) in my apartment building in Alexandria.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, you guys actually live in apartments? I'm utterly disappointed. how unelite :ohno:

This was at my Grandparents apartment, not my house, there is no security staff in the apartment.

Azmat yeah he jumped from the balcony, when we searched the house we discovered a light was open in a room and balcony door left open, he jumped and ran away when we were breaking the door.

But one of the bedrooms was locked , I thought he would be hiding in there, so it was a pretty tense moment opening it up to find out.

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:11 AM

Why don't you try finding a villa for sale in the middle of Alexandria? It's actually in a very affluent area though and the apartment cost around 1.8 million L.E. Ali Seif's company built it. ;)

Actually their are quite few in el seyof area [old not newly built] ;) and they look quite decent even better than the normal once you'd find in sweden ;) also not even that expensive.

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:12 AM

If this was in Sweden I could sue the whole government if the police doesn't arrive in less than 10 minutes. :lol:

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 03:12 AM

Why don't you try finding a villa for sale in the middle of Alexandria? It's actually in a very affluent area though and the apartment cost around 1.8 million L.E. Ali Seif's company built it. ;)

Exactly, there are no villas in big cities, only suburbs, and appartments are not low class, there are very good areas. This happened to me in a good part of Heliopolis, you wouldn't expect it.

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 03:13 AM

If this was in Sweden I could sue the whole government if the police doesn't arrive in less than 10 minutes. :lol:

10 minutes eih, they'd arrive in 3 mins.

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:14 AM

Actually their are quite few in el seyof area [old not newly built] ;) and they look quite decent even better than the normal once you'd find in sweden ;) also not even that expensive.

We were actually going to buy a villa in Marina but unfortunately my dad decided to build a villa from scratch in 6th of October near my cousins instead. :(

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:14 AM

DAMN you guys, I just realised it's one minute b4 I start fasting again and I ran to the kitchen to drink and I nearly broke a leg :bash:

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:18 AM

DAMN you guys, I just realised it's one minute b4 I start fasting again and I ran to the kitchen to drink and I nearly broke a leg :bash:

That happened to me too :lol: I had eaten and then I sat down to play some PS3 and then I realized that I only had two minutes left. :lol:

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:19 AM

This was at my Grandparents apartment, not my house, there is no security staff in the apartment.

Azmat yeah he jumped from the balcony, when we searched the house we discovered a light was open in a room and balcony door left open, he jumped and ran away when we were breaking the door.

But one of the bedrooms was locked , I thought he would be hiding in there, so it was a pretty tense moment opening it up to find out.

Well that explains it :D you still up for madinaty :P

Exactly, there are no villas in big cities, only suburbs, and appartments are not low class, there are very good areas. This happened to me in a good part of Heliopolis, you wouldn't expect it.

there are actually. but stupid mubarak was pulling most of them down and started building towers :ohno: however you'll find few left between the towers it's really cool to live alone in a villa and around you towers feels special and you eve have ya own garden the plants are soooo old and historic :P

We were actually going to buy a villa in Marina but unfortunately my dad decided to build a villa from scratch in 6th of October near my cousins instead. :(

Moi Grandparents built a villa in Alex and I live there now :D when I used to live in Alex I was in an apartment 2mins [crossing da road] from the beach. and san sefeno was like 5mins walk near by luran miami and nafa2 victory next to meh :P even my school was cool :D al 7amd lellah :)

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:21 AM

10 minutes eih, they'd arrive in 3 mins.

I live in a very small city so yeah, they'd probably arrive in 2-5 minutes especially if it was at night because the roads are nearly deserted at night in Sweden.

Azmat

August 4th, 2011, 03:24 AM

Moi Grandparents built a villa in Alex and I live there now :D when I used to live in Alex I was in an apartment 2mins [crossing da road] from the beach. and san sefeno was like 5mins walk near by luran miami and nafa2 victory next to meh :P even my school was cool :D al 7amd lellah :)

You live near my cousins than, whenever I want to go them I just take a taxi to San Stefano and then I walk to their place (it takes around 5 minutes).

egypt69

August 4th, 2011, 03:29 AM

Well that explains it :D you still up for madinaty :P

Ofcourse! :D

xAbd0o

August 4th, 2011, 03:36 AM

^_^

BTW police down here is goooooood al7amdlellah :P last time some nooooooobs burnt a newspaper and thrown it in my garden so I called da police to report it and then less than a minute later infact 30sec later moi neighborhood all went blue and it sounded chaotic yabny ana 2ftakart el 2yama 2amet :lol::lol: from the sounds I went to moi room to see what's going on from my window upstairs then the door they knocked the door badly I was like :sly: is this my door? why are they here? they were about to break the door but I finally opened and found out they brought the fire fighters two police cars and the ambulance :lol: and all my neighbors are outside staring at meh. the officer said you reported this and I showed them and they simply said okay here is your reference number thank you and sorry to interrupt you, goodbye :P and everything disappeared within seconds. but all moi neighbors came questioning WTF was going on :P yeah until this moment I cannot understand what happened but hey guy since we're all in first word countries we should try this from time to time :yes: it's fun :P

Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 04:02 AM

I'd rather live in Cairo instead of having a villa.

Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 06:46 PM

المصري اليوم: مجلس الوزراء يوافق على حل اتحاد عمال مصر ...... الحمد لله

Edit:
State controlled trade union dissolved

The Cabinet of Egyptian Prime Minister Essam Sharaf has issued an executive order to dismiss the executive board of the Egyptian Trade Union Federation.

The Cabinet based its decision on a recommendation it received from the current minister of manpower, Ahmed El-Borai.

El-Borai has been lobbying the prime minister to dismiss the Federation’s executive board after several court judgements ruled that leading board members rigged its 2006 elections.

The Cabinet commissioned the minister to select a temporary executive board to run the Federation until new elections take place under judicial oversight.

The Federation has been facing a serious crisis since the fall of former dictator Hosni Mubarak. A newly-formed labour alliance of independent unions, headed by the Real Estate Tax Collectors, have joined with more than a dozen new unions to challenge the pro-Mubarak entity.

Hussein Mugawer, the president of the Federation and a long time Mubarak ally, is currently in jail awaiting trial on charges of conspiring to attack peaceful protesters in the famous 2 February 'Battle of the Camel' in Tahrir Square.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/18129.aspx

Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 07:08 PM

oW4Hbts7bow

:hilarious

Montrealers

August 4th, 2011, 08:54 PM

قلنا مستحيل يتنحى ....وإتنحى.!!
قلنا مستحيل يتحاكم...وإتحاكم.!!
يلا بقى كلنا نقول فى صوت واحد

مستحيل ياخد إعداااااام..!!!

:applause:

xAbd0o

August 5th, 2011, 12:27 AM

el adly's trail was today :)

eskandarany

August 5th, 2011, 08:56 PM

قلنا مستحيل يتنحى ....وإتنحى.!!
قلنا مستحيل يتحاكم...وإتحاكم.!!
يلا بقى كلنا نقول فى صوت واحد

مستحيل ياخد إعداااااام..!!!

:applause:

:nocrook:
ياللا وعقبال معمّر وبشّار وعلي صالح وكلّ الحبايب ** الهبايب

Montrealers

August 5th, 2011, 09:39 PM

:nocrook:
ياللا وعقبال معمّر وبشّار وعلي صالح وكلّ الحبايب ** الهبايب

:D

Montrealers

August 5th, 2011, 09:41 PM

تقرأ اليوم في الشروق.. مصدر سيادي: طنطاوي وعنان وسليمان مستعدون للشهادة في قضية مبارك

Shorouknews.com

Montrealers

August 7th, 2011, 05:30 AM

Allah ye7my baladna w geshna l 3azeem :cool:

Hl3vUggxIp8

egypt69

August 8th, 2011, 06:01 AM

Egypt's Sufis, joined by Copts, call for a million-man march on Friday the 12th

Sufi leaders along with ten political parties as well as Coptic, liberal and secular groups are planning to stage a million-man protest in Tahrir square on Friday, 12 August

The leaders of eight Sufi sects have formed an organisational committee to prepare for the protest, which will be held under the theme “In the love of Egypt”.

The purpose of the protest is to reinforce national unity between Muslims and Copts, challenge Salafist and Wahhabi thought, and promote the civil state, according to Alaa Aboul Azayem, founder of the Al-Tahrir political party and leader of Azmiya Sufi sect. :applause:

Abdel Galil Mostafa, another member of the committee, said that one goal of the demonstration is to form political blocks to prepare for the upcoming elections.

Aboul Azayem was quoted by several publications critiquing Salafists who staged a massive protest last Friday, describing their school of thought as alien to Egyptian culture. He also criticised raising the Saudi flag during their protest in Tahrir as unpatriotic.

The Sufi protest is scheduled to commence after the Friday prayers and extend through the early hours of Saturday as protesters plan to have Suhour in the square. Sheikh Yassin El-Tohamy, an acclaimed Sufi chanter, will give a performance until the dawn prayers.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/18183/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Sufis,-joined-by-Copts,-call-for-a-millionm.aspx

Egypt Sufis plan mass rally to counter Salafist and Wahhabi muscle flexing

Traditionally apolitical, Egypt's Sufis decide to join liberals in a mass rally under the banner 'For the Love of Egypt' in response to the encroachment of Salafists and other Wahhabi-oriented Islamists on Egypt's political arena

Sheikh Mofamed Abdel Khaleq El-Shabrawi, the leader of the Shabrawia Order, one of the largest Sufi spiritual orders in Egypt, said that Sufis are planning a massive rally on Friday 12 August in Cairo to call for national unity and a civil state.
Salafists have been tugging the rope towards a theocratic government, whereas most political forces are tugging towards a 'civil state', which accepts the status quo with regards to the recognition of Islam in the Constitution and would replace the de facto military rule with a civilian one.

Sufi and various pro-democracy political forces have been discussing ways to respond to this rising tide of conservative Salafist forces.

Sufi leaders, who tend to favour religious tolerance and generally abstain from politics, were alarmed after hundreds of thousands of Islamists organised mass protests around the country on 29 July to call for the establishment of an Islamic state in Egypt.

In Egypt, at least six million people - or one in every three young men - belong to one or another of the more than 40 Sufi orders.

Millions of followers of Sufi orders, both men and women, attend more than 40 massive moulids (festivals that honour specific spiritual iconic figures of different orders) throughout the country.

Many Islamist and Salafist political forces have attacked several Sufi mausoleums in the aftermath of the 25 January Revolution, and charge that Sufi rites and practices, especially gender-mixing, are un-Islamic.

Sheikh El-Shabrawi said that Sufis will focus their Friday rally on advocating for national unity, and, therefore, they have decided to call the event: For the Love of Egypt.

El-Shabrawi added that Sufis might opt not to hold their rally in the central Tahrir Square in order not inconvenience the public during the holy month of Ramadan.

Sufi leaders and other forces had planned to stage a huge indoor rally next Friday’s action at the Nasr City conference hall in north eastern Cairo, but that plan has since morphed into a Ramadan Ifitar (breaking of the fast meal) in Tahrir Square.

The iconic square has been locked off to gatherings and people by the army and security forces since they violently cleared the sit-in there last Monday.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/18261/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-Sufis-plan-mass-rally-to-counter-Salafist-an.aspx

:banana:

I will be definitely be taking part. :cheers: :cheers:

AbouKhaleel

August 8th, 2011, 02:05 PM

ائتلاف شباب الثورة: مليونية الدولة المدنية تفتيت للوحدة الوطنية

أكد ائتلاف شباب الثورة على عدم مشاركته مليونية الدولة المدنية، نافيا ما تردد حول اعتزامه المشاركة ودعوة الشارع المصري للنزول، وأصدر بيانا عبر صفحته على الفيس بوك، أكد فيه تحفظه على الشكل الحالي للدعوة، لأنها تساهم في تفتيت الوحدة الوطنية.

ومن جانبه، قال خالد تليمة، عضو المكتب التنفيذي لائتلاف شباب الثورة: إن نزول المواطنين للشارع يكون نتيجة عدم الاستجابة لمطالب يتم رفعها من قبل الشعب، ولكن جمعة الدولة المدنية الهدف منها هو استعراض العضلات من بعض التيارات الدينية مرفوض تماما، ووجه تليمة دعوة لمن يرغبون النزول يوم الجمعة القادم بالتفكير في مستقبل مصر بشكل مختلف".

وطالب القوى والتيارات الداعية لمليونية الدولة المدنية بضرورة أن يكون لهم تواجد في الشارع، ودور ملحوظ في توجيه الشعب تجاه القضايا الهامة والمحورية التي تحقق مطالب الثورة وأهدافها بدلا من المليونيات التي هدفها الأساسي تفتيت وحدة الشارع المصري.
http://shorouknews.com/ContentData.aspx?id=520226

الطرق الصوفية تكتفي بحفل إفطار في التحرير بعد لقاءها بالسلمي

عقدت صباح اليوم الإثنين الطريقتان العزمية والشبراوية و29 ائتلاف وحركة وحزب سياسي اجتماعا مغلقا مع الدكتور علي السلمي نائب رئيس الوزراء لمناقشة دعوتهم للتظاهر يوم الجمعة القادمة بميدان التحرير للدفاع عن الدولة المدنية تحت مسمي في حب مصر.

وقال الدكتور أحمد رداج عضو الجمعية الوطنية للتغيير إلي أن هناك اتفاقا مبدئيا علي عدم الاعتصام في ميدان التحرير والاكتفاء باقامة إفطار وسحور جماعي وإقامة قداس وإنشاد صوفي.

وأكد الدكتور إبراهيم زهران رئيس حزب التحرير المصري تمسك الطرق الصوفية بإقامة التظاهرة في ميدان التحرير وعدم نقلها لمكان آخر حتى لا يتم اسدال الستار علي جمعة الإرادة الشعبية التي دعا إليها السلفيين والإخوان.

وفي خطوة تعد بوادر انشقاق بين جبهة الإصلاح الصوفي تعقد 3 طرق صوفية وهم الطريقة الشهاوية والبرهامية الخلوتية والشرنوبية، مساء اليوم مؤتمرا صفحيا في مقر حزب "حراس الثورة" لإعلان موقفها من دعوة علاء أبو العزايم إلي الخروج في مليونية الجمعة القادمة.

وقال محمد الشهاوي شيخ الطريقة الشهاوية ورئيس المجلس الصوفي العالمي للدستور الأصلي أن تلك التظاهرة لا تخص ولا تعبر عن الطرق الصوفية، وتبرءوا من المليونية وأكدوا أنهم ليسوا علي خلافات مع الإخوان والسلفيين لأنهم ابناء دين وأحد ومطالبنا واحدة وهي تطبيق الشريعة الإسلامية.

واعتبر الشهاوي أن تلك المليونية نوعا من خلط الدين بالسياسية واستغلال الطرق الصوفية من قبل بعض القوى السياسية يعد خلطا للدين بالسياسية وهو بعيد كل البعد عن روح الصوفية.

http://www.dostor.org/politics/egypt/11/august/8/50522

Nobody should be happy in polarizing the nation's forces.

Montrealers

August 8th, 2011, 06:07 PM

I don't trust Sufism, l ekhwan nor l salafist.... I support normal protest without involving religion... None should involve religion in our revolution. These peoples are hypocrites. This is our holy month, we should respect it and start thinking about our life and our economy. It's time to focus for the upcoming elections

Sawiris rejects calls for million-man protest Friday

Free Egyptians Party founder Naguib Sawiris rejected calls for a million-man protest Friday in response to a mass protest by Islamists on 29 July.

“I don’t believe there’s a reason for a new million-man protest by national liberal forces or Sufis,” he wrote on Twitter on Sunday, calling for national unity.

In another tweet he called on people to respect “the holiness of the month [Ramadan] and give the country a chance to breath and promote its economy," demanding that different forces unite and prepare for elections. :cheers:

Around 30 political and religious movements and parties called for protesting on Friday under the motto “For the Love of Egypt” in response to Islamists' mass protest, during which they called for the application of Islamic rule.

Translated from the Arabic Edition

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/484310

Montrealers

August 8th, 2011, 06:32 PM

أخبار مصر l Egypt News l مفاجأة فى محاكمة العادلى .. المخابرات العامة لديها تسجيل فيديو لوقائع قتل المتظاهرين من 193 كاميراً بالمتحف المصرى E.N l

Montrealers

August 8th, 2011, 06:50 PM

مفاجأة .. ذخائر فى أحراز قضية قتل المتظاهرين ليست كالتى يستخدمها قوات الشرطة بوزارة الداخلية

بدأت اليوم الأحد هيئة الدفاع عن المتهمين في قضية قتل المتظاهرين المتهم فيها حبيب العادلي وزير الداخلية الأسبق و6 من كبار مساعديه ومعاونيه من القيادات السابقة بالوزارة وكذلك المدعون بالحقوق المدنية، في الإطلاع على أحراز القضية بداخل دار القضاء العالي.
المستشار احمد رفعت قاضى التحقيقات فى قضية قتل المتظاهرين
المستشار احمد رفعت قاضى التحقيقات فى قضية قتل المتظاهرين

وتشمل أحراز القضية مجموعة من الأسلحة التي استخدمت في قتل المتظاهرين السلميين، وفوارغ طلقات نارية، وإسطوانات مدمجة وشرائط كاسيت وشرائط فيديو ودفاتر ومستندات ورقية تتعلق بخطط التعامل مع المتظاهرين وقمع التظاهرات السلمية من جانب الأمن المركزي.
وقال محامون من هيئة الدفاع عن المتهمين إنهم أجروا معاينة وأطلعوا على أحراز القضية من الأسلحة والذخائر والتي تشمل أظرف طلقات لأعيرة نارية مختلفة ومتعددة، ما بين طلقات مطاطية وطلقات خرطوش وطلقات لأسلحة آلية وقنابل مسيلة للدموع، كان قد تم العثور عليها بمناطق متفرقة بميدان التحرير وأعلى أسطح مجموعة من المباني المجاورة للميدان يتقدمها مبنى الجامعة الأمريكية.
وأشار المحامون إلى أنه تبين لهم أن بعض الذخائر المضبوطة ضمن أحراز القضية، ليست كالتي تستخدمها قوات الشرطة بوزارة الداخلية في كافة فروعها وقطاعاتها المختلفة، موضحين أن بعضا من تلك الذخائر محلية الصنع في أماكن مجهولة المصدر، على نحو يشير إلى أن "فئات من مثيري الفتن والفوضي أرادوا الايقاع برجال الشرطة والصاق تهم قتل المتظاهرين بهم".. وذلك بحسب ما أورده المحامون من دفاع المتهمين.
وأضافوا انهم على ضوء ما كشف عنه الإطلاع من جانبهم على أحراز القضية، فانهم سيطلبون إلى المحكمة بالجلسة القادمة ندب لجنة فنية وعدد من الخبراء المتخصصين في مجال الأسلحة والذخيرة والمفرقعات لمناقشتهم في شأن تلك الذخائر وتوضيح طبيعة الأسلحة التي تستخدم معها.
وذكر المحامون المدافعون عن قيادات الداخلية المتهمين بالتحريض على قتل المتظاهرين، أن الشرطة لم تكن الجهة الوحيدة التي أطلقت النيران إبان أحداث الثورة، وأن العديد من الأعيرة النارية المضبوطة ضمن الأحراز تشير إلى أن بعضا من المتظاهرين والمدنيين استخدموا بدورهم الأسلحة وتبادلوا إطلاق النيران.. وقالوا إن النيابة لم تبين نوعية طلقات الخرطوش المضبوطة، فضلا عن أن تلك الذخائر والقنابل المسيلة للدموع تم تحريزها بعد أسبوع من المظاهرات

وقال عصام البطاوي المحامي عن حبيب العادلي إنه تبين له بمطالعة أشرطة الفيديو الستة المقدمة من جهاز المخابرات العامة كأدلة إثبات ضد المتهمين السبعة على تهمة قتل المتظاهرين، انها جاءت جميعها حاملة للقطات مصورة لميداني التحرير وعبد المنعم رياض بتاريخ أول فبراير وحتى 18 فبراير، أي بعد انسحاب الشرطة من مواقعها.
وقال المحامي البطاوي "إن تلك الأشرطة ليست بأي حال من الأحوال دليل إدانة ضد حبيب العادلي أو بقية المتهمين، على قتل المتظاهرين باعتبار انها تصور وقائع مختلفة تتعلق باعتداءات موقعة الجمل وغيرها من الأحداث اللاحقة التي لا ترد ضمن قائمة الاتهامات التي أسندتها النيابة العامة إلى المتهمين في القضية".
وأشار إلى انه والمحامي محمد عبد الفتاح الجندي محامي اللواء إسماعيل الشاعر مدير أمن القاهرة الأسبق والمتهم في القضية، تقدما بمذكرة رسمية ضد سكرتير الجلسة، بدعوى انه تعسف معهما في عملية الإطلاع على الأحراز.. مشيرا إلى انه لم يمكنهما من الحصول على نسخة من ملفات القضية على وحدتي تخزين رقمية (فلاش ميموري) تنفيذا لقرار المحكمة.
وكانت محكمة جنايات القاهرة برئاسة المستشار أحمد رفعت، والتي تباشر محاكمة العادلي ومعاونيه في قضية اتهامهم بقتل المتظاهرين السلميين إبان أحداث ثورة 25 يناير، قد أرجأت جلساتها إلى 14 أغسطس الجاري لتمكين هيئة الدفاع عن المتهمين والمدعين بالحقوق المدنية من الإطلاع على أحراز القضية .

http://www.ahram.org.eg/Al-Mashhad-Al-Syiassy/News/93977.aspx

xAbd0o

August 8th, 2011, 07:04 PM

Great, I always knew we have an awesome intelligence service :cool:

Montrealers

August 9th, 2011, 06:31 PM

Where are the Mubarakists?

The opening of Hosni Mubarak’s trial last week was undoubtedly a historic day for Egyptians. With the trial now underway, Egypt has escaped two extreme fates: A failure to bring their ex-president to trial, on the one hand, and holding him accountable before an exceptional revolutionary court, on the other. Both scenarios would have posed a serious threat to the rule of law that Egyptians wish to establish. Thankfully, Mubarak is being tried by a regular court in accordance with normal laws.

Few Egyptians turned out to support the former president. When compared to other political leaders in modern Egyptian history, Mubarak's popularity seems to be lacking. Only a few thousand people rallied in his support during the revolution, while millions poured into Tahrir Square to call for his ouster. Fewer still rose to his defense as the trial commenced last week.

The Arab world has seen dictators much crueler than Mubarak -- Libya's Muammar Qadhafi, Syria's Bashar al-Assad and Yemen's Ali Abdullah Saleh -- who were able to rally hundreds of thousands of supporters, often mobilizing tribal, sectarian or other loyalties. But the deposed Egyptian president has been incapable of garnering such support. The minority who cheered for him, often hypocritically, while he was in power abandoned him once he was forced out. An even smaller group who now oppose Mubarak’s trial are in large part motivated by humanitarian sentiments rather than a genuine allegiance to their ousted president.

Popular support for Mubarak may be the weakest ever for an Egyptian leader. After the 1952 Revolution, many Wafdists remained loyal to the principles of their party and to their leaders, Saad Zaghloul and Mostafa al-Nahhas. Likewise, when Anwar al-Sadat came to power in 1970, Nasserists remained devoted to Nasser’s ideals. After Sadat’s assassination in 1981, many Egyptians continued to defend the ex-president and the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty that he signed.

Mubarak is unlikely to enjoy any such legacy. He showed no interest in the Egyptian people and had no vision for the country. Never before has Egypt seen a ruler with so much contempt for the people and no sympathy for their pains. Under his rule, Egypt suffered a mass brain drain and an unprecedented deterioration of its state’s institutions, all so Mubarak could hang on to power and, if possible, pass it on to his son.

Throughout the revolution, Egyptian protesters hoisted images of Nasser and Sadat, as both have left their marks on people’s lives. Mubarak, on the other hand, ignored an entire nation and will be quickly forgotten, even by those who favored his capitalist polices and his close relations with Israel and the US.

Instead of seeking revenge on Mubarak, Egyptians should give him a fair trial, turn over a new leaf and look ahead because the future bears challenges that will be much more serious than the trial of the toppled president.

Translated and abridged from the Arabic Edition.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/484484

xAbd0o

August 10th, 2011, 05:30 AM

the trail has been delayed until moi birthday :cry::cry::cry:

Montrealers

August 10th, 2011, 05:33 AM

the trail has been delayed until moi birthday :cry::cry::cry:

w 3edk emta?

xAbd0o

August 10th, 2011, 05:38 AM

:redface: how could you not know :D go find out when is the new date and you'll know :)

Montrealers

August 10th, 2011, 05:44 AM

Too lazy :D

Political group withdraws from planned Friday protests

The Free Front for Peaceful Change said Tuesday it will not take part in protests called for by several political forces on Friday under the slogan “For the Love of Egypt."

In a statement, the group said it will not participate because of its current involvement in awareness campaigns and to stick to its previous decision to suspend protests during Ramadan.

Essam al-Sherif, the front’s coordinator, said the civilian state is one of the revolution’s gains and that more conflicts will only lead to sectarianism. He said the military trials issue is more important than religious polarization.

Around 57 political parties and movements announced on Monday their plans to participate in the Friday protests, which will highlight demands for a civilian state in response to mass rallies staged on 29 July by Islamists, who called for a country ruled by Sharia law.

Deputy Prime Minister Ali al-Salmy declared on Monday that efforts to convince political forces not to stage the protests have failed.

Salmy also called for forming a committee of revolutionary groups to set up dialogue with the cabinet and the ruling military council

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/484713

xAbd0o

August 10th, 2011, 05:46 AM

Here,
http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=291772&date=10082011

Don't forget guys I want a thread dedicated to meh :D also egypt69 I didn't forget your promise :lol:

Montrealers

August 10th, 2011, 05:47 AM

Here,
http://www.alraimedia.com/Alrai/Article.aspx?id=291772&date=10082011

Don't forget guys I want a thread dedicated to meh :D also egypt69 I didn't forget your promise :lol:

3 october ... Da shaklo youm na7s :D

xAbd0o

August 10th, 2011, 05:49 AM

3 october ... Da shaklo youm na7s :D

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e3d/efa/4e8/resized/inglip-rage-face-meme-generator-how-did-this-shit-get-front-page-it-s-not-even-funny-c81e3a.bmp?1311889019.jpg

Montrealers

August 10th, 2011, 06:30 AM

:laugh:

egypt69

August 10th, 2011, 06:58 PM

Good news:

Govt considering new constitutional declaration

A new constitutional declaration might be issued before parliamentary elections if public opinion reaches a consensus on it, Deputy Prime Minister Ali al-Selmy said Tuesday.

“We will work on establishing constitutional principles by combining all documents proposed by different political powers,” he said.

If the document receives public approval, then a new constitutional declaration will be issued before elections, he said.

Egypt is going through a historic stage, Selmy said, and its political regime is transforming from a corrupt one to a democratic one that enjoys freedom.

“Nobody will be allowed to abuse the 25 January revolution to achieve personal goals,” he said.

He emphasized that Egypt will remain a “civil state" based on law and democracy where people have the right to participate, criticize and decide their futures for themselves.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/485132

Egyptian govt proposes anti-discrimination law

The government on Wednesday proposed an anti-discrimination amendment to the criminal code, mostly aimed at satisfying Egypt's troubled Christian minority, which has been the target of sectarian attacks.

The bill, which the caretaker cabinet published a draft of on its Facebook page, would make discrimination a crime punishable by at least three months in prison, in addition to a fine.

It defines discrimination as "any action, or lack of action, that discriminates between people or against a sect due to gender, origin, language, religion or belief."

Though women and minorities in Egypt complain of discrimination, it is enshrined in the law regarding Coptic Christians, who are not allowed to build houses of worship without presidential permission.

The cabinet, which was appointed by the ruling military council after a revolt ousted President Hosni Mubarak in February, has said it is studying another law to ease restrictions on church construction.

The military must approve any law before it goes into effect.

Disputes over building churches have contributed to sectarian clashes, which so far have killed at least 30 people in 2011.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/485164

:cheers:

Montrealers

August 12th, 2011, 02:08 AM

L bolis b mosa3det l geish l masry bada2o 2awl 2gra2t l w2f l taware2 - masdr Al masry al youm:cheers:

xAbd0o

August 12th, 2011, 02:11 AM

Emergency law not emergency government :okay:

Montrealers

August 12th, 2011, 02:56 AM

Egypt starts process to end emergency rule, says official

Egypt has begun procedures to end the country's three-decade old state of emergency, a government spokesman said on Thursday.

The ruling army council has promised to scrap the emergency law, which gave the security forces sweeping powers to stifle dissent during the rule of former President Hosni Mubarak.

"The government has decided to start the procedures needed to end the state of emergency in coordination with the military council," cabinet spokesman Mohamed Hegazy said.

Azmat

August 12th, 2011, 03:52 AM

Don't forget the source:
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/485442

Azmat

August 13th, 2011, 08:54 PM

KK6FgRBs_j8

egypt69

August 15th, 2011, 03:47 AM

Deputy PM proclaims civil state, pluralism in draft constitutional document

Ali Selmy, deputy prime minister for political affairs, in a meeting on Friday, presented a document entitled “Basic Constitutional Principles” to a number of Egyptian political parties, seeking their views on the document's contents.

The Wafd Party, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party, and the Nour Party were shown the document, which contains suggested basic principles, rights and general freedoms to be included in the future Egyptian constitution.

Al-Masry Al-Youm has obtained a version of the document, whose abridged version reads as follows:

Basic Principles:

1. The Arab Republic of Egypt is a civil democratic state based on citizenship and the rule of law, and respects pluralism, and guarantees freedom, justice, and equality, and provides opportunities to all citizens without discrimination. The Egyptian people are part of the Arab nation, and work for achieving its comprehensive unity.
2. Islam is the state religion, the Arabic language is its official language, and Islamic Sharia is the primary source of legislation. Non-Muslims resort to their own laws in regards to their personal issues and religious affairs.
3. Sovereignty is given to the people alone, and they are the source of authority, which they exercise through referendums and fair elections…
4. The political system for the democratic republic is based on balance of power between various branches of government and the peaceful transfer of power, and the multiplicity of political parties and their establishment by notification…
5. The national economy is based on comprehensive and sustainable development, which aims to achieve social well-being and fulfill citizens’ most basic needs, promote investment, protect free competition, prevent harmful monopolistic practices, protect the consumer, and guarantee that the benefits of economic growth are fairly distributed to the citizens. The state commits to protecting public property under its supervision, along with its wealth, national resources, lands, and national heritage, in both the material and moral sense…
6. The state alone may establish the armed forces, which is the people’s property, and whose role is to protect the country’s security and independence, along with its unity and sovereignty over all its land. It is forbidden for any federation, group, or party to create military formations or anything resembling them.

Rights and General Freedoms:

1. Human dignity is every person’s genuine right, and all Egyptian citizens are free and equal before the law in rights and freedoms and general obligations. Discrimination among them due to sex, origin, language, religion, creeds, wealth, social status, political views, or disabilities or anything of that sort is forbidden.
2. The state guarantees freedom of belief, worship, and religious slogans and protects the role of worship.
3. Egyptian nationality is a genuine right of all citizens and stripping citizenship or exiling any Egyptian from his country or preventing him from returning is forbidden, except in the case of a justified judicial ruling.
4. Freedom of conscience, expression and the media are guaranteed, so long as they do not violate the sanctity of individuals’ private lives, the rights of others, and the fundamentals of Egyptian society. Sabotaging the media, or censoring it or its sources, is forbidden, except as a result of a justified judicial decision, and for a limited period.
5. Every human being has the right to uncover, transfer, and publish information and participate in cultural and artistic life in all its forms. The state guarantees the freedom of academics, scientific research, imagination, and innovation, and guarantees the independence of universities and scientific research centers.
6. Every human has the right to enjoy the sanctity of his private life, correspondence, telephone conversations and electronic messages and other forms of communication. Arresting, searching, detaining, confining him, or restricting his personal freedom is forbidden, except with prior judicial order… Except in cases of crimes pertaining to the armed forces, civilians may not be tried in front of any exceptional or military court.
7. Private property is protected, except in case of judicial ruling and in exchange for fair compensation…
8. The right to work is guaranteed. The state strives to provide work opportunities to every citizen with the condition of fairness without discrimination, and commits itself to setting a minimum wage to guarantee the citizen human dignity and an appropriate standard of living. Every citizen has the right to assume a public post as long as he is qualified for the position.
9. Every citizen has the right to a secure life, a pollution-free environment, proper nutrition, habitation, healthcare, exercise, as well as insurance against unemployment, sickness and old-age in accordance with the requirements of justice and social solidarity.
10. The citizen has a right to an education, and the state commits to providing educational opportunities in its educational institutions for free …
11. The citizen has the right to set up syndicates, unions, groups, and civil foundations, and they have the right to assemble and demonstrate peacefully without prejudicing the rights of others or the basic rights, principles, or freedoms written in this document.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/486431

How is it civil when we still have point #2 :ohno:

Montrealers

August 15th, 2011, 03:52 AM

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/486431

How is it civil when we still have point #2 :ohno:

ya 3am khana2tna with this.... We already know removing point #2 is impossible.

egypt69

August 15th, 2011, 03:58 AM

It shouldn't be if this is indeed the new "civil" constitutional principles.

xAbd0o

August 15th, 2011, 04:04 AM

If I remember correctly we have athread about the constution in the skyahwa.

Plus we should we be talking about Mubarak's trail tomorrow and el adly trail today wala 2nto neseto?

Montrealers

August 15th, 2011, 04:06 AM

If I remember correctly we have athread about the constution in the skyahwa.

Plus we should we be talking about Mubarak's trail tomorrow and el adly trail today wala 2nto neseto?

:eek:

I almost forgot!!!!!!!!!!!

egypt69

August 15th, 2011, 04:10 AM

Yep, It's the 15th of August, the trial is resuming today.

Egypt's Mubarak returns to court

Monday's hearing could decide if the head of the ruling military council will take the stand as a witness.

Hosni Mubarak, Egypt's former president, returns to court on Monday to face charges of killing protesters, in a hearing that could decide if the head of the ruling military council will take the stand as a witness.

Defence lawyers say that any testimony by Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi on Mubarak's role in trying to suppress the 18-day uprising, in which more than 800 people were killed, could decide the fate of the 83-year-old.

Tantawi, who was defence minister for two decades under Mubarak, heads the military council that took power when Mubarak was ousted on February 11 by the mass protests.

Mubarak made his first court appearance on August 3 in a case that has gripped the Arab world, where leaders rule for life and are seldom held to account.

The first Arab head of state to stand trial in person since popular uprisings swept the Middle East, the former air force commander faces charges that could carry the death penalty.

In the first court session, defence lawyers asked for Tantawi, former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman and about 1,600 others to testify as witnesses.

Defence lawyers said the accounts would be vital for either incriminating or exonerating Mubarak from involvement in killing protesters.

"Tantawi's testimony would help the court determine whether Mubarak gave orders to Interior Minister Habib al-Adli to fire at protesters or whether Adli was acting independently," one member of the defence team, who asked not to be named, said.

A judge on Sunday set the next hearing for Adli and six of his lieutenants for September 5.

Compurgator

Lawyers for the families of those killed have also demanded Tantawi testify in the trial.

"It is important for the court to meet the requests of the defence team, especially the request to hear the accounts of Field Marshal Tantawi in court to determine whether Mubarak asked him to confront and fire at protesters or not," the lawyer said.

"The defence team sees Tantawi as a compurgator, or a witness whose testimony would exonerate Mubarak. The plaintiffs' lawyers, however, expect him to testify that he received orders to fire, which is necessary to convict Mubarak," another lawyer handling the case said.

Essam Soltan, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers, said Judge Ahmed Refaat would ask lawyers to justify their request to summon Tantawi to testify before ruling on it.

The cases of the defendants are interlinked and each could accuse his superior of giving the orders to fire, thus weakening the case against Mubarak, Soltan said.

The military said officers called in by the judge to give their testimony would attend. But a judicial source said even if Tantawi were asked to testify, his testimony would come later in the trial to shield the army from taking the heat in the controversial case.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/08/20118150035879357.html

El Adly's trial today, the case got adjourned till the 5th of September

xAbd0o

August 15th, 2011, 04:18 AM

Mubarak’s trial resumes
Toppled president Hosni Mubarak is set to appear behind bars along with both of his sons, Alaa and Gamal, in the second session of his trial on Monday, 14 August, which takes place separate to those of other defendants accused of being involved in the killing of peaceful protesters in the January 25 Revolution.
Like many other former regime oligarchs, Mubarak is accused of abusing his powers throughout his 30-year rule to accumulate an illegal fortune. More significantly, he is accused of instigating the murder of demonstrators during the 18-day revolt against his regime in January, an accusation that could see him handed the death penalty.

In the opening session on 3 August, Mubarak was put in the cage while lying on a stretcher after medical examinations proved he was healthy enough to stand trial. Many has speculated that he would not show in court and that “deteriorating health” would be cited as a reason. All defendants were in the dock with him except for Hussein Salem, who is under house arrest in Spain and being tried in absentia.

Mubarak was originally set to be tried separately from the rest of the defendants indicted on the same charge, including his ex-minister of interior, Habib El-Adly, but both cases on the killing of protesters were merged a few days ahead of the opening session of the trial.

The two trials have been once again separated, upon the request of Mubarak’s lead defence attorney, Fareed El-Dib. Until the court decides on the matter, the former commander-in-chief and his sons will be tried independently.

The other defendants accused of killing demonstrators include El-Adly, who is already sentenced to 17 years in prison after being convicted on corruption charges, as well as six of his assistants. They all appeared before the judge Sunday and their cases were adjourned to 5 September.

Mubarak is currently detained at the International Medical Centre on Ismailiya Road. His condition is understood to be stable; it has cast no doubts on whether or not he will show Monday.

No major developments expected

The second session of Mubarak’s trial is not expected to witness any major developments as lawyers representing the martyrs’ families are yet to fully examine the evidence, which mainly consists of four rifles, bullet casings, some of the casualties’ bloodstained clothes, videos and other documentary evidence.

Furthermore, Ahram Online has learned that presiding Judge Ahmed Refaat has not yet summoned de facto ruler Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi to testify.

Tantawi, former Intelligence Chief Omar Suleiman, who acted as vice president in Mubarak’s last days in power, and Chief-of-Staff Sami Anan were called up by lawyers representing the martyrs’ families to give their testimonies. Tantawi has reportedly agreed to appear in court.

“Calling a witness is one of the judge’s legitimate rights as long as he believes that this witness is important,” a legal expert, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Ahram Online’s Arabic edition.

“This rule applies to civilians and the military alike. However, if a witness from the latter (the military) is still in service, the judge should contact the military judiciary that in turn would call the witness, but that didn’t happen [here].”

Tantawi confirmed shortly after the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) assumed power that the army had rejected “orders to fire on civilians,” a statement that was repeated later by other SCAF members on several occasions.

On the other hand, Suleiman reportedly said the deposed commander-in-chief “had complete knowledge of every bullet fired at protesters, and the number of those killed or wounded.” His words are further testimony that bolster the case against Mubarak, but only circumstantially, as media statements are not recognised by the prosecution or the court.

In questioning‎ that followed the opening session, according to the AFP, Mubarak accused Tantawi of being responsible for the decision made during the uprising to cut all communication services. The claim, which was perceived to be a sign of despair, was categorically denied by SCAF and was expected to further incite Tantawi to testify against his former superior.

Qualms over lawyers’ competence still rampant

In the opening session of Mubarak’s trial, the lawyers representing the martyrs’ families seemed to lack organisation and coordination, especially in comparison with the El-Dib-led defence team.

Lawyer Hamed Seddik was among those who left an unpleasant impression after staggeringly trying to convince Judge Ahmed Fahmi Refaat that the ousted president had died in 2004 and the defendant is actually “another man” who has since been impersonating the real Mubarak.

“The families of the martyrs are numerous and each of them hired a host of lawyers; some of them are from different institutions and rights groups and have different mentalities and goals too,” lawyer Sayed Fathi told Ahram Online.

Some of the lawyers representing the martyrs’ families said it is a matter of time until they all work as a team, saying that by the next session they will be more organised and effective.

However, the same lawyers’ disorganisation was apparent during Sunday’s trial of El-Adly and others, which angered Judge Refaat on several occasions and prompted him to halt proceedings repeatedly. No change is expected in this respect either when the Mubarak trial resumes Monday.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/18857/Egypt/Politics-/Mubarak%E2%80%99s-trial-resumes.aspx

This time I really hope the Martyrs lawyers are good b/c last time they were disappointing.

Montrealers

August 15th, 2011, 05:08 AM

This has to be one of the best footage of the revolution so far!
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Montrealers

August 15th, 2011, 03:31 PM

To keep the national interest... Mubarak trials won't be broadcasted by 5th september

محامون: قرار وقف البث التليفزيوني لمحاكمة مبارك ونجليه يصب في الصالح العام

رحب العديد من المحامين وأعضاء هيئة الادعاء بالحق المدني بقرار المستشار أحمد رفعت, رئيس هيئة المحكمة, في القضية المتهم فيها الرئيس السابق حسني مبارك ونجليه علاء وجمال ووزير الداخلية الأسبق, بوقف البث المباشر للمحاكمات بداية من الجلسة المقبلة المقرر لها ٥ من شهر سبتمبر المقبل، وأشادوا بموقفه وحرصه على استمرار القضية.

وقال محمد الدماطي, مقرر لجنة الحريات بنقابة المحامين, عضو الأمانة العامة لمحامي الشهداء: «لجنة الحريات كانت أول من نادى ببث المحاكمات لكننا نرحب الآن بالقرار نظرًا لما شاهدته خلال الجلسات السابقة وجلسة اليوم من رغبة وحب في الظهور من قبل العديد من محامي التعويضات والباحثين عن الظهور الإعلامي».

وأضاف الدماطي أن القرار بالفعل في الصالح العام, نظرا لأن هناك عددًا كبيرًا من المحامين المدعين بالحق المدني لا يهمهم سوى تحقيق مصالحهم على حساب القضية، مشددا على أن ٩٠% من المحامين المتواجدين لن يكونوا متواجدين خلال الجلسات المقبلة لأن الإعلام سيغيب عنها».

من جانبه، أكد خالد أبوبكر المحامي، أحد المدعين بالحق المدني, عضو الأمانة العامة لمحامين الشهداء أن القرار جاء في الصالح العام, نظرا للتواجد الواضح لمحامي التعويضات والباحثين عن الشهرة الإعلامية ومحبي الظهور بين محامي المدعين بالحق المدني، وهو ما قد يتسبب في إفساد القضية بسبب ما يقوم به هؤلاء من تصرفات همجية.

ولفت أبوبكر إلى أن الجلسات المقبلة ستكون أفضل وسيغيب عنها هؤلاء المحامين نظرا لقرار وقف البث التليفزيوني للجلسات.

وأوضح أبوبكر أن قرار المستشار أحمد رفعت هو نفس ما يقوم به كل القضاة على مستوى العالم في التعامل مع البث التليفزيوني حيث يكون البث حتى إثبات حضور المتهمين الجلسة فقط.

وأشار أبوبكر إلى أن الهدف من بث المحاكمات قد تحقق وشاهد الشعب المصري بأكمله الرئيس السابق وكل المتهمين في قفص الاتهام، ولكن البث أصبح يهدد بالفعل الصالح العام ولابد من وقفه.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/486623

I think it was the best solution because it caused alot of problem all around the police academy & many clashes all over Egypt... 30 people have been reported injured because of pro-Mubarakist & anti-Mubarakist clashes next to the academy.

xAbd0o

August 15th, 2011, 03:52 PM

27na zambena eih? It's not our problem. You can't solve a problem by making other unhappy. Increase police force and that won't happen DUHH!

Montrealers

August 15th, 2011, 06:55 PM

Civil rights lawyers welcome decision to stop Mubarak trial broadcast

Civil rights lawyers representing the families of those killed during the 25 January revolution welcomed the court’s decision on Monday to stop the live broadcast of ousted President Hosni Mubarak’s trial.

Lawyers who spoke to Al-Masry Al-Youm said that Juge Ahmed Refaat’s decision aims to facilitate the court proceedings, which have been attended by hundreds of lawyers.

On Monday, Refaat announced he will merge the case of Mubarak and his two sons with that of former Interior Minister Habib al-Adly and six of his top aides, on charges of conspiracy to kill peaceful protesters. The case was adjourned until 5 September.:cheers:

A civil rights lawyer for the martyrs’ families, Mohamed al-Damaty, said: “We were the first to call for the live broadcast of the court sessions, however, we now welcome the decision after witnessing the attempts made by several lawyers seeking fame and media attention during previous sessions.”

Damaty went on to say that the decision was in the public’s best interest, explaining that 90 percent of the lawyers will not be present during future hearings since the media will not be present.

Khaled Abu Bakr, another civil rights lawyer, agreed that the decision was in the public’s best interest. He explained that lawyers seeking fame may ruin the case by what he described as “crude and vulgar actions.”

Abu Bakr said that future hearings would be better as such lawyers will not attend if there is no live broadcast.

Abu Bakr explained that the aim of broadcasting the trials has been achieved and that all Egyptians have now seen the ousted president and other defendants in the defendants’ cage, but now the live broadcast is not in the public’s best interest.

Translated from the Arabic Edition

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/486683

Montrealers

August 16th, 2011, 03:56 PM

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Assma Mahfouz was summoned for this tweet:

من الاخر لو القضاء مجبش حقنا .. محدش يزعل لو طلعت جماعات مسلحة وعملت سللسة اغتيالات طالما مفيش قانون ومفيش قضاء محدش يزعل من حاجة

Montrealers

August 16th, 2011, 08:16 PM

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Montrealers

August 16th, 2011, 10:02 PM

Mubarak trial blackout paves way for appearance of Tantawi and Suleiman

Two leading human rights activists with experience of the Egyptian legal system have voiced their support for a court decision dissalowing further television coverage during the trial of former President Hosni Mubarak. The senior judge presiding over the case, which is to be merged with that of former Interior Minister Habib al-Adly, ruled recently that the live television coverage of the trial should be discontinued.

The decision is justified, said the activists, given that the court is poised to hear testimonies of various witnesses, and live television coverage might interfere with the witnesses and the testimonies they provide.

In particular, they said that the court is due to summon Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, head of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, and General Omar Suleiman, former Egyptian vice president, to hear their testimonies with regards to protester deaths, and the two men might be called upon to disclose information of a sensitive nature relating to national security.

In the trial, Mubarak is accused of involvement in killing protesters, profiteering, illegally exploiting influence for personal gain and exporting gas to Israel at much reduced prices.

Gamal Eid, director of the Arab Network for Human Rights Information said that the decision is a good one. He said that it is unreasonable for trials to be broadcast to such an extent during testimonies, because doing so would have an impact on the testimonies themselves.

Nevertheless, Eid said the decision does not counteract the trial’s public nature, given the presence of martyrs’ families and their lawyers in the courtroom. He also said that the decision not to broadcast the trial will allow the lawyers to calmly observe the sessions, as is their right.

Khaled Ali, director of the Egyptian Center for Economic and Social Rights, said that the decision has logical reasons behind it and does not amount to a government conspiracy or backpedaling.

Ali added: “After reading about the case, it is clear that the decision was made in preparation for summoning Tantawi and Suleiman. These witnesses will be addressing delicate state matters regarding the period before, during, and after Mubarak’s resignation.

“It’s best that these things are not exposed to the public, despite Egyptians’ right to know them, in order to shield the country from any danger. Coming sessions will include things like testimonies, arguments between the defense and the witnesses, and other matters whose secrecy must be protected to avoid prejudicing the judicial procedures.”

He expressed his hope that the court would block live broadcasts during testimonies only, restoring coverage during other sessions of the case.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/486817

Montrealers

August 17th, 2011, 04:19 AM

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I love Cairo streets and the way of driving :drool:

UAE_isthebest

August 22nd, 2011, 01:07 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Not sure to post it here but!!!!!!!

A Dutch news agency says that Muammar Gaddafi is caught!!! The source is the International Criminal Court!

Please let this be true!! :cheers: :D:D

EDIT

The news message is deleted... maybe an overload of the servers or just a stupid fault. -_-

EDIT #2

It's also on CNN now but nothing is 100% confirmed. People celebrating on Libyan streets!

EDIT #3

It's sure now that Muammar Gaddafi is NOT caught but HIS SON "Saif al-Islam Kaddafi". Very amateurish work by the Dutch news agency!

xAbd0o

August 22nd, 2011, 02:31 AM

Yup his son and mohamad el khadafy not sure who's that said that he joined the revolution. And

Alrayyan

August 22nd, 2011, 02:49 AM

Khalas the capital is 95% liberated, All major cities are under TNC control and all credits should go too:

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xAbd0o

August 22nd, 2011, 02:56 AM

Internet is back in libya. Open twitter guys :P

Montrealers

August 22nd, 2011, 03:16 AM

The world is tweeting :D

OptomistOne

August 22nd, 2011, 08:32 AM

By by Frizz Head - here's hoping a new democratic Libya emerges.....

Montrealers

August 23rd, 2011, 11:39 PM

نطالب باعدام الخائن المخلوع مبارك بتهمة الخيانة العظمى
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مستندات أمريكية تكشف: مبارك والعادلي سلما المباحث الفيدرالية أرشيف الرقم القومي للمصريين

كارثة حقيقية كشفتها مستندات سرية أمريكية حيث أكدت أن الرئيس المخلوع حسني مبارك ووزير داخليته حبيب العادلي قاما بتسليم المباحث الفيدرالية جميع بيانات المصريين التي يتضمنها أرشيف الرقم القومي وقاعدة البصمات والتسجيل الجنائي

Ya ebn el kalb ya hosny, yesta7el 2a3dam

Azmat

August 24th, 2011, 02:27 AM

Ya ibn sitin kalb ya Mubarak, Rabena yaghdak.

Montrealers

August 25th, 2011, 01:26 AM

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بعد تنازل محامى الدفاع الثانى عن العادلى فى قضية قتل المتظاهرين عن الدفاع عنه اليوم

المحامي فريد الديب وهو محامى الدفاع الاول للعادلي يتخلى عن الدفاع عنه لصالح مبارك

تأكيد للخبر الثاني من جريدة الشروق

http://www.facebook.com/shorouknews/posts/10150304639373817

Shaklaha kda el 2adeya metarmakha 3ala l 3adly w msh ba3eed ykn gami3 l ete7amat ded Mubarak yetarmakho7a 3ala l 3adly... Mubarak ba3ak ya khayeeen

Montrealers

August 25th, 2011, 09:46 PM

معاريف تكشف عن رسالة تهديد من مصر لإسرائيل منعت الحرب على غزة

كشفت صحيفة "معاريف" الإسرائيلية، أن القاهرة وجهت رسالة حازمة وشديدة اللهجة لإسرائيل، منعت ردا إسرائيليا عنيفا على قطاع غزة قبل عدة أيام.

وتتضمن الرسالة التى نشرتها معاريف صباح ، الأربعاء، تهديدا مصريا صارما، جاء فيه أنه إذا قام الجيش الإسرائيلى بعملية عسكرية فى قطاع غزة، فإن الحكومة المصرية ستضعف فى مواجهة مطالب صعبة من الرأى العام المصرى ضد إسرائيل وستضطر لقطع كل العلاقات مع تل أبيب.

ونشرت الصحيفة العبرية أجزاء من الرسالة التى وصلت إلى الحكومة الإسرائيلية والتى جاء قيها: "إن قيام إسرائيل بعملية عسكرية موسعة ضد قطاع غزة سيؤدى بالحكومة المصرية إلى اتخاذ قرار بقطع العلاقات مع إسرائيل وإلحاق ضرر كبير باتفاق السلام المبرم بين البلدين".

وأوضحت معاريف أن رسائل شديدة اللهجة مشابهة نقلت إلى إسرائيل فى الأيام الأخيرة الماضية خلال مباحثات هاتفية بين وزير الدفاع الإسرائيلى "إيهود باراك" ورئيس المجلس الأعلى للقوات المسلحة المشير "محمد حسين طنطاوى" ورئيس المخابرات المصرية "مراد موافى".

وأوضحت مصادر سياسية إسرائيلية رفيعة للصحيفة العبرية أن تل أبيب تفهمت الوضع الحرج للحكومة المصرية فى ظل ضغط الشارع المصرى المشتعل، وردت على طلب القاهرة بالإيجاب للحفاظ على المصالح و العلاقات بين البلدين.

وأشارت معاريف إلى أن الحكومة الإسرائيلية قررت خلال إحدى جلسات المنتدى الوزارى الثمانى الطارئ للشئون الأمنية برئاسة رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلى "بنيامين نتانياهو" ليلة السبت الماضى، عدم الدخول بقوات برية إلى قطاع غزة ووقف ردين آخرين تم مناقشتهما خلال الجلسة وهما الهجوم الجوى على مواقع مختلفة لحركة "حماس" والقيام بعمليات اغتيال من الجو، وذلك بعد تقارير عرضت على الوزراء حول الوضع الحساس فى مصر وأن أى هجوم على غزة سيصعد اشتعال الشارع المصرى ضد إسرائيل

http://www.dostor.org/politics/middle-east/11/august/25/52268

Montrealers

August 31st, 2011, 06:02 PM

Egypt’s ElBaradei says wants international poll monitors and warns of 2nd revolution

Egyptian presidential hopeful Mohamed ElBaradei, in an interview published on Wednesday, criticized the ruling army’s refusal to allow foreign monitoring of forthcoming elections and its subjection of civilians to military trials.

The former head of the UN nuclear watchdog also told the newspaper al-Shorouk he was concerned that continued economic stagnation in Egypt, following the exodus of tourists and investors in the wake of the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak, could fuel renewed popular anger in the country.

“Refusal of international election monitoring, one of the main seven demands voiced before the revolution for democratic transition (is based) on the erroneous understanding of interference in (the country’s) sovereignty,” ElBaradei said.

Earlier this year the ruling military council, which took over after Mubarak's overthrow in February, said it would not allow foreign monitoring of elections.

Parliamentary elections will take place in stages and dates are due to be announced in September. Presidential elections will follow but a date has not yet been set.

“International monitoring is confirmation of sovereignty and transparency and not the reverse,” said ElBaradei, one of at least ten people who have said they intend to run, including former military officials, Islamists, judges and activists.

He also criticized the subjection of political activists to military trials. The ruling army has recently drawn fire for this practice, which was common under the ousted president.

“(Military trials of civilians) means dealing with the people with the same mentality as the former regime and deviating from the revolution’s basic demand of returning to people their freedom and dignity,” ElBaradei told al-Shorouk.

He said economic growth had stalled because security had not been fully restored to the streets since the uprising. Egypt’s economy shrank in the first quarter and growth is expected to remain weak during the second half of 2011 as the political unrest freezes economic activity.

“The economy will not bounce back until security returns,” ElBaradei said. “Security is returning gradually and is back at 65 percent. Why has it not fully returned till now?”

“(If) the economy remains as it is, popular anger will return ...If a second revolution takes place, it may not be peaceful,” ElBaradei said.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/08/31/164859.html

egypt69

September 6th, 2011, 12:44 AM

Historic Mubarak trial resumes amidst fierce clashes outside and inside courtroom

Third session of the trial of Egypt's former dictator begins, untelevised, as his supporters throw stones at families of martyrs outside of courtroom

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The third session of the trial of Egypt's ousted dictator Hosni Mubarak has begun minutes ago.

This is the first session of the historic trial that would not be televised as presiding Judge Ahmed Refaat had decided at the end of last round to ban TV broadcasting.

Clashes errupted inside courtroom between the defendants' and victims' lawyers, resulting in six injuries.

A confirmation about the clashes came from a lawyer representing the families of the victims, Gamal Eid of the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information. Eid, who is Tweeting from inside the courtroom, added that the clashes disrupted the session, forcing the presiding judge, Ahmed Refaat , to recess the session after lawyers yelled at him.

Newsreporters confirmed that all defendants - Mubarak, his two sons, his former minister of interior and six of his top aides - have all appeared in Court.

Mubrak was wheeled in on a stretcher as he did in the previous two sessions. However, his two sons, Alaa and Gamal, entered the courtroom in handcuffs for the very first time during the trial.

Earlier this morning, scuffles have broken out between protesters and police officers outside courtroom, as the 3-judge panel prepares to hear from police witnesses who were in the headquarters control room during the crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators during the January uprising against the former dictator.

Our Ahram Online reporter on the scene says that clashes began when some families of the martyrs were infuriated that police prevented them from entering the court room while allowing relatives of accused police officers to do so.

Police pushed back martyrs families and their supporters and things quieted down for a few moments.

However, our Ahram Online reporter adds, tens of Mubarak's supporters began throwing stones at families of martyrs and journalists.

At this point, all hell broke loose.

Families of the martyrs and their allies, who number around 100, picked up stones and started to throw back at Mubarak supporters.

Security forces and Mubarak supporters responded and scuffles escalated.

In the melee that ensued, at least 3 protesters and one police officer were injured.

Eye witnesses say more police were deployed this time compared to the last two sessions of the trial.

The third session of the trial of Mubarak, his two sons and his former minister of interior will feature for the first time testimonies of witnesses on charges that Mubarak used snipers to kill protesters during the January uprising against his 30 year rule.

Mubarak is standing trial with his two sons, Alaa and Gamal, as well as Habib al-Adli, a former interior minister, and six senior police officers on charges of corruption and killing peaceful protesters .

Lawyers have been looking forward to this session that will include the testimony of four significant witnesses. Among these is a very important general, Hussein Moussa, who is the former head of operations in the Central Security Forces who were on the frontline during the crackdown.

According to lawyer Gamal Eid, head of the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information,, Moussa is especially important as he was “formally accused of erasing all information and recorded phone calls from the official records”.

Ten Kuwaiti lawyers were expected to join the defence team for Mubarak on Monday, but no one has shown up in court yet.

Some of the lawyers said their role comes as a gesture of gratitude to Mubarak for his support for a US-led coalition that expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/20311/Egypt/Politics-/Historic-Mubarak-trial-resumes-amidst-fierce-clash.aspx

Lawyer expects ruling in Mubarak's case by 2013

A final ruling in the case of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is expected by 2013, a plaintiff in the case has said.

In an interview with daily newspaper Al-Akhbar, lawyer Khaled Abu Bakr said he intends to request the testimony of Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, head of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, in the trial.

The three people who know the truth about the killing of protesters during the 25 January revolution, he added, are Tantawi, the Muslim Brotherhood's supreme guide and former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman.

Abu Bakr said Tantawi should appear in court to say whether he received orders from Mubarak to use force to disperse the protesters.

Tantawi's testimony would be key to determining whether the police and the army were asked to forcibly suppress the protests, Abu Bakr said.

He said that summoning Suleiman to testify in court is equally important because he would reveal whether Republican Guards participated in quelling the protests, either by shooting protesters or supplying information.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/492471

Kuwaiti volunteer lawyers join Mubarak defence ahead of continuing trial

A group of Kuwaiti lawyers say they are joining the defence team of ousted president Mubarak as thanks for his actions during the 1991 war between Iraq and Kuwait

A delegation of Kuwaiti lawyers announced last week that it would join the defence team of ousted Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, starting Monday, 5 September.

The head of the delegation, Faisal Al-Eteibi, stated that he expected the special court admission procedures for five of the lawyers to be finished within hours. Al-Eteiby said that the numbers of lawyers that will participate in the trial has been reduced to five due to the “ado” in the media on the issue.

The move of the Kuwaiti lawyers has stirred controversy. Claims have been made that the lawyers only seek fame from the trial. It has also been case as an attempt to prompt public sympathy for Mubarak.

Both claims were denied by Al-Eteiby, who said the lawyers volunteered as “payback for Mubarak’s favors in liberating Kuwait”, referring to the 1991 Gulf War and the role Egypt played in supporting the US-led expulsion of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/20301/Egypt/Politics-/Kuwaiti-volunteer-lawyers-join-Mubarak-defence-ahe.aspx

As if Mubarak's assitance to Kuwait outweighs all the other heinous crimes he has committed :nuts:

Montrealers

September 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/20311/Egypt/Politics-/Historic-Mubarak-trial-resumes-amidst-fierce-clash.aspx

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/492471

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/20301/Egypt/Politics-/Kuwaiti-volunteer-lawyers-join-Mubarak-defence-ahe.aspx

As if Mubarak's assitance to Kuwait outweighs all the other heinous crimes he has committed :nuts:

أخبار مصر l Egypt News l المحكمة ترفض محامي مبارك الكويتين E.N ;)

egypt69

September 6th, 2011, 02:08 AM

Good!

egypt69

September 6th, 2011, 02:11 AM

Egypt to stop military trials for civlians once Emergency Law is lifted

Egypt will halt military trials for civilians once the state of emergency has been lifted, Adel Morsy, the top official at Egypt's military judiciary, said on Monday.

Egypt's ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) had vowed to abrogate the notorious Emergency Law once the country's security situation improves in a way that guarantees fair presidential elections.

Cancelling the Emergency Law was a key demand of anti-government protesters under Hosni Mubarak’s rule. The SCAF say they are considering cancelling it.

But human rights groups argue that actions speak louder than words and note that thousands of Egyptians have been put before military tribunals in the months since the January uprising. That is more, they say, than during the whole of Mubarak's 29-year rule.

The government counters that the military courts, which under Emergency Law are allowed to try civilians, are now being used only for common criminals who undermined national security during the political unrest.

Egypt's Emergency Law empowers the president or his representative to refer civilians suspected of felonies to a military court.

Morsy claimed on Monday that the military judiciary is currently handling cases of molestation, thuggery, and weapons possession, attributing the referral of such cases to military courts to the circumstances that followed the January uprising.

He said that the number of cases handled by military courts between 28 January and 28 August was 3863, involving 11,879 defendants, of whom 795 were acquitted.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/492560

Progress, but all these things should happen now.

Montrealers

September 6th, 2011, 04:30 PM

Turkish PM announces additional sanctions on Israel

Istanbul (CNN) -- Turkey's fiery prime minister ratcheted up rapidly-escalating tensions with Israel on Tuesday, comparing Ankara's once-close middle eastern ally to a "spoiled boy" and announcing additional sanctions would soon be imposed.

"We are completely suspending all of these, trade relations, military relations, related with the defense industry," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, according to the semi-official Anatolian Agency. "All of these are completely suspended and other measures will follow this process."

Asked to clarify whether this meant Turkey will halt more than $3 billion in bilateral trade, an official in the Turkish prime ministry, speaking on condition of anonymity under government protocol, insisted Erdogan was not referring to trade relations.

"He was referring to the defense industry," the official said. "Nothing more than the measures that have been announced so far."

Last week, Turkey declared it was downgrading relations with Israel, suspending all military agreements between the two countries and giving senior Israeli diplomats less than a week to leave Turkish territory.

"If the current steps are regarded as 'plan B,' there will be a 'plan C,'" Erdogan said on Tuesday in his first public comments on the matter since Ankara imposed sanctions on Israel.

Erdogan's government is incensed that Israel refuses to apologize or pay compensation for eight slain Turks and one Turkish-American. The humanitarian workers and activists were shot dead by Israeli commandos in a botched 2010 raid on an aid convoy that was trying to bust Israel's sea blockade of Gaza.

But "Israel does not want to see a further deterioration in the relationship with Turkey," said a senior Israeli government official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. "There have been a number of proposals on the table to prevent a deterioration and unfortunately they have not been successful, but from our point of view a deterioration in the relationship serves neither side's interests."

Multiple Israeli sources said they are doing what they can to be responsible and reverse the negative dynamic. Some Israeli officials believe the current troubles between the two countries are minor bumps that can be smoothed out with time and the proper diplomacy.

Others believe the deteriorating relationship has little to do with Israel and more to do with a reorientation of Turkish foreign policy towards the Muslim world.

A possible Erdogan trip to Gaza is contributing to that school of thought. Diplomats in Cairo and Ankara tell CNN that Erdogan is tentatively scheduled to visit Cairo next week. There is growing speculation in local media that the Turkish prime minister may try to visit Gaza via Egypt's Rafah border crossing.

"This is a process that will continue until the last moment," Erdogan said Tuesday, according to Anatolian, when asked about a trip to Gaza. "We will make the final decision there, talking to our Egyptian friends and brothers. According to that, there may be a trip to Gaza."

Despite deteriorating political relations between Jerusalem and Ankara, trade has grown substantially between the two countries over the last year, according to Turkish government statistics.

On Monday, Stanley Fischer, governor of the Bank of Israel, gave a speech in which he highlighted the importance of Israel's economic ties with Turkey. He noted that Turkey's economy was the largest in the region, with a gross domestic product in excess of $700 billion, and that Turkey is becoming a key player in regional trade.

Turkey is a significant Israeli trading partner, Fischer said, and damage to the trade relationship between the two countries could have serious consequences for Israel.

Prior to the report about Erdogan's comments Tuesday, Amos Gilad, a senior Israeli defense official, told Israeli radio that despite the reports, Turkey is not disengaging from Israel. Contrary to what is being reported, he said, the Israeli military attache to Turkey is continuing his work there.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/09/06/israel.turkey/

xAbd0o

September 6th, 2011, 04:32 PM

This is not related to this thread :rant:

BTW israel apologised. They said something like even those we were protecting our boarders we apologies for the losses.

Azmat

September 6th, 2011, 06:22 PM

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/492560

Progress, but all these things should happen now.

Great but I think the emergency law should be cancelled NOW, the army and the police don't need the emergency law to safeguard the streets.

Montrealers

September 6th, 2011, 07:58 PM

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306738_252874328095772_104224996294040_599688_7356514_n.jpg
The demands for Friday 9 September protest are:

* Permanent End of military trials of civilians
* A clear timeline with exact dates of when the military council will hand over power to an ELECTED CIVIL authority (the initially promised 6 months have now finished).
* Cancelling the new law issued by military council that prohibits sit-ins and strikes.
* Change the new elections law that helps the same old corrupt businessmen win the elections.
* Ensure the Egyptian police focus on ending crime and criminality rather than attacking law abiding citizens.
* Implement the minimum pay for public sector workers and maximum salaries for senior officials.
* Implement Egyptian laws that will ensure the corrupt heads and symbols of Mubarak's ruling national party, and who have been proved to have rigged Egyptian elections for years, can no longer stand elections again.

Montrealers

September 7th, 2011, 05:01 AM

أكثر من 90 مصابا بعضهم في حالة خطرة بعد هجوم الأمن المركزي على الجمهور

أصيب أكثر من 90 شخصا من جمهور النادي الأهلي وعدد من عناصر الأمن المركزي في اشتباكات اندلعت بعد هجوم من الشرطة على رابطة أولتراس أهلاوي بسبب سباب وجهته لحبيب العادلي وزير الداخلية الأسبق والرئيس المخلوع حسني مبارك.

وأكد شهود عيان أن الجمهور لم يبدأ بالعنف تجاه رجال الشرطة، الذين بادروا بالهجوم بعد سباب الداخلية.

ونقل عدد من جمهور الأهلي إلى المستشفيات القريبة من استاد القاهرة الدولي والذي شهد مباراة الفريق مع كيما أسوان مساء الثلاثاء، فيما أصيب أخرون من الأمن المركزي أثناء تبادل الرشق بالحجارة بين الفريقين.

وبحسب رسائل من نشطاء وأفراد من الجمهور عبر مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي خاصة "تويتر"، فإن عددا من المصابين تم نقلهم إلى مستشفيات كليوباترا ومنشية البكري ومستشفيات أخرى قريبة.

وبدأ هجوم عناصر الأمن المركزي على الجمهور في مدرجات استاد القاهرة فور إطلاق صافرة نهاية مباراة الأهلي مع كيما أسوان، ونقلت كاميرات التليفزيون فرار المشجعين إلى أعلى مدرجات الدرجة الثالثة يسار بعد زحف من عناصر الشرطة عليهم.

وانتقلت الاشتباكات إلى طريق صلاح سالم خارج حدود الاستاد بعدما أعاد أعضاء الرابطة تنظيم أنفسهم، فيما أحاطت قوات الأمن المركزي الجمهور من الجانبين.

وقالت التقارير الأولية من الواردة من موقع الاشتباكات أن الجمهور قطع طريق صلاح سالم، فيما أكد شهود عيان فيما بعد أن إيقاف مرور السيارات كان محاولة لتفادي أي إصابات بسبب التدافع الكبير من الجمهور وليس بدافع الشغب أو السيطرة على الطريق.

وقال صحفيون وناشطون من موقع الحدث عبر مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي إن تعزيزات كبيرة من الأمن المركزي والشرطة العسكرية اتجهت إلى محيط الاستاد، مع غلق الطريق مع السيطرة على المخارج حتى كوبري أكتوبر وكبري القبة، وإلقاء القبض على عدد كبير من الجمهور.

وتصاعدت بعض الأدخنة والنيران قال ضباط إنها بسبب إشعال اللهب في سيارات للأمن المركزي وأحد أوناش المرور، فيما شدد عدد من أعضاء الأولتراس في رسائل قصيرة عبر "تويتر" أن إشعال النيران كان الهدف منه وقف تقدم تشكيلات الأمن المركزي باتجاههم.

شاهد اشتباكات قوات الشرطة مع جماهير الأهلي داخل المدرجات

شاهد لقطات للحظة بداية هجوم الأمن المركزي على جمهور الأهلي

شاهد مطاردات الأمن المركزي لجماهير الأهلي في طريق صلاح سالم

http://filgoal.com/Arabic/News.aspx?NewsID=81767

Montrealers

September 8th, 2011, 04:03 PM

Officer tells court security forces had arms in central Cairo

CAIRO: A police officer testifying in the case of the killing of protesters told the court Thursday that security forces had arms in central Cairo during the uprising and suggested they were used against protesters.

Defense lawyers said he was in no position to know.

Police officer Essam Hosni told the court on Thursday a security plan was in place early in the uprising that erupted on Jan. 25 to prevent protesters reaching Tahrir Square. He said police were armed with guns in central Cairo and elsewhere.

"The amount of arms available in central Cairo and in front of all the police stations and jails confirms that deaths and injuries were a result of the use of these weapons," he said.

Defense lawyers suggested he was not in a position to make his statements and was drawing conclusions. "The witness is basing his testimony on matters he heard," one said.

Hosni Mubarak was back in court on Thursday over the killing of protesters, a day after the presiding judge summoned Egypt's military ruler and other top officials to testify next week in the trial of the toppled ex-president.

The testimonies of such high-ranking officials could prove decisive in the case, although Judge Ahmed Refaat said when he announced the decision on Wednesday that the witnesses would be heard behind closed doors for reasons of national security.

The judge surprised the court on Wednesday by saying Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, who heads the military council now ruling Egypt and served as Mubarak's defense minister for two decades, would appear in the witness box on Sunday.

Armed Forces Chief of Staff Sami Enan and Omar Suleiman, Mubarak's former intelligence chief and briefly his vice-president, will also testify next week, alongside Interior Minister Essam El-Essawy and his predecessor Mahmoud Wagdy.

"The decision to summon Field Marshal Tantawi and the others is certainly a good thing, but the session has to be public in order to be fair," said Mohamed Adel, an activist with the April 6 movement which helped force out autocrat Mubarak in February.

"We have to see it, and the concept of a publishing ban and secrecy is totally rejected by us," he added.

Earlier this week, police witnesses suggested that neither Mubarak nor his former interior minister, Habib El-Adly, who is also in the dock, had ordered police to shoot. Two witnesses said they were told to exercise "self-restraint."

Lawyers for some of the 850 people killed in the revolt that ousted Mubarak on Feb. 11 have been irked by police statements, saying officers changed their accounts when they were in court.

But the judge dismissed a prosecution bid to raise a case against one witness for alleged false testimony.

As in the four previous sessions since the trial started on Aug. 3, Mubarak was flown to the court by helicopter and wheeled into the courtroom on a stretcher. The 83-year-old has been hospitalized since April when he was first questioned.

Mubarak is charged with conspiring to kill protesters and "inciting" some police officers to use live ammunition, as well as with corruption. He has denied all charges.

The former president is standing trial with El-Adly, six police officers and his two sons, Gamal, who was once seen as being groomed for top office, and Alaa, a businessman.

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/egypt/officer-tells-court-security-forces-had-arms-in-central-cairo.html

Montrealers

September 8th, 2011, 04:12 PM

ما هي الخطة 100 لوزارة الداخلية؟

كتب احمد الليثي:

قال الشاهد التاسع في محاكمة الرئيس المخلوع حسني مبارك ووزير الداخلية الاسبق العادلي اللواء حسين فرج ان العادلي قرر يوم 27 يناير تنفيذ الخطة 100 التي وضعتها وزارة الداخلية.

وقال الشاهد ان العادلي سأل رئيس قطاع الامن المركزي اللواء احمد رمزي: هل تستطيع تطبيق الخطة 100 فرد رمزي: وأكثر من الخطة 100.

فما هي الخطة 100 التي يتم تطبيقها في حالات الطوارئ؟ وما هي اهم عناصرها.

الخطة 100 هي خطة وضعتها وزارة الداخلية لمواجهة الاحداث الخطيرة او الطارئة كوقوع انقلاب أو ثورة شعبية أو حالة فوضى عامة مع انشاء غرفة عمليات داخل وزارة الداخلية بقيادة وزير الداخلية لمتابعة الموقف دقيقة بدقيقة.

وتقضي الخطة 100 بنشر تشكيلات مسلحة من الشرطة وقوات الامن المركزي في شوارع القاهرة تستخدم أقصي درجات العنف مع المحتجين لتحقيق عدد من الاهداف أهمها:

منع وصول أعداد المتظاهرين الى مليون متظاهر بأي وسيلة وبأى طريقة عن طريق حشد ضباط أمن الدولة وجنود الأمن المركزي وقوات مكافحة الشغب بأعداد ضخمة، والاستعانة بمدرعات وسيارت نقل الجنود والسماح باستخدام الرصاص الحي والقنابل المسيلة للدموع لمواجهة أي تحركات.

حماية مدينة القاهرة بعزلها بقوات أمن ضخمة تحيط بمداخل ومخارج العاصمة ومنع أي تحرك منها أو إليها لوقف أي إمدادات للانقلابيين او المتظاهرين.

منع وصول المتظاهرين الى ميدان التحرير بأى وسيلة كانت عن طريق غلق المنافذ المؤدية إلى الميدان بسيارات نقل الجنود وضربهم بالرصاص فى مناطق مختلفة بالقاهرة قبل ان يصلوا الى التحرير.

حماية عدد من الشخصيات الهامة في الدولة على رأسهم جمال مبارك نجل الرئيس وفتحي سرور رئيس مجلس الشعب، وإذا كانت الحالة هي وفاة الرئيس، فسيتم فوراً الاعلان عن تولي رئيس مجلس الشعب للرئاسة لفترة انتقالية، أما في حالة وقوع انقلاب أو تحرك شعبي ضخم فسيتم اخفاء الرئيس في مكان آمن خوفا من إصابته بأي مكروه، ويسمح له بإلقاء خطاب للشعب من مكانه الآمن لطمأنة الجماهير.

تأمين المناطق الحساسة والمنشئات الحيوية بقوات ضخمة وعلى رأسها القصر الجمهوري ومبنى الإذاعة والتليفزيون ومطار القاهرة ومجلس الشعب ووزراة الداخلية والسفارات الأجنبية ومديريات الأمن ومقار مباحث أمن الدولة وغلق كل الطرق المؤدية إليها وتقوم طائرات الهليوكوبتر بنقل القوات بشكل سريع الى هذه الأماكن الحساسة.

تذخير قوات الامن المركزي وفرق اخرى من الشرطة بالرصاص الحي وطلقات الرش والقنابل المسيلة للدموع.

تخزين اسلحة مختلفة فى سيارات الاسعاف المحيطة بميدان التحرير حتى يمكن استخدامها فى حالة الطوارئ.

فتح المعتقلات لجميع أعضاء القيادات المحركة للجماهير سواء كانوا حزبيين أو حركات احتجاجية أو الاخوان المسلمين.

فرض حظرالتجوال وتعليق الدراسة بالمدارس والجامعات، ومنع المواطنين من الذهاب الي أعمالهم.

تقوم القوات بالسيطرة على الاذاعة والتليفزيون باذاعة أخبار متوالية تؤكد أن البلد تحت السيطرة.

استخدام وسائل التشويش على الاتصالات لإفساد أي تنسيق بواسطة الهواتف المحمولة وقطع خدمة الانترنت عن بعض المناطق او الجمهورية بالكامل.

اقرأ أيضا:

http://www.masrawy.com/news/Egypt/Politics/2011/September/8/mini_plan.aspx