thanks for the info man!

i hate to be the negitive one but i think i can shit out a turd that looks better than aqua :( i guess im the architecturely critical one on this forum but i realy dislike this design! mabey with ill like it better if i saw more renderings of this but otherwhize im not a fan of this one at all.

Thanks for the leak kingofdurians. This makes me think of a modern day Marina Towers. I cant wait to see the final results.
I was kind of thinking the same thing......it is an amalgam of certain chicago classics w/ a twist......

it appears boxy (masculine) from a distance like many of the classic chicago buildings......yet is punctuated by the marina city stlyle pleats....

it wraps this hybrid of type in feminine undulation

I can't make up my mind if its a guy dressed as a girl, a girl dressed as a guy.....

....or a hermaphrodite

Wow, so much new stuff since I was last online.

I'm speechless..

I've just seen a rendering of the building and it looks exactly like the model. I can't give you the color of the tower though because I don't know. The rendering that I saw was at dusk. BUt the height that I got from the documentation that I saw was 835' 4".

So this one is also smaller than we expected too. A little disappointed.

Since we're on the topic, it was my understanding that the Mandarin Oriental was to occupy the first 40+ floors of Aqua!
Notice the transition floor about 2/3 up the model--that's where the hotel ends and the condos begin.
thats odd, i thought it was going to be a separate tower for the Manderin Oriental and i was under the impression that that tower was to be over 1000ft ?

Manadrin won't be the hotel operating in Aqua. IIRC it's the Fairmont Chicago expanding its alreadly large hotel across the street.

So this one is also smaller than we expected too. A little disappointed.


Just a tad, if the Mandarin is a quality great design though 835 still ain't too shabby.

My heart broke too but I am happy with the correct height, though. Look at the bright side: any city (except LV, NYC, and Miami) in North America would kill to have our building boom that is currently moving at light-years.

i never thought i would see the day that an 800+ footer could be a dissapointment lol

Depends on how you view it. I had lofty ideas too, but this is still an amazing building. Keep in mind you are looking at glass and cardboard cut and pasted together, not a finished model or rendering or actual building.

Manadrin won't be the hotel operating in Aqua. IIRC it's the Fairmont Chicago expanding its alreadly large hotel across the street.

It is the Fairmont, more precisely the Fairmont Suites that'll be in the Aqua. The broker I was talking to mentioned that they're 'hoping' it goes thru, also mentioned something about the Mandarin possibly being in 340 Randolph, but wasn't 100% sure about it.

Mandarin is not going to be in any other building. It is going to be in the one everyone has been saying it will be in. I will try and get the drawings soon.

^Cool. But yeah, 340 is more than 80% sold so there is no room for them left.

Have anyone here seen the backside of Regatta u/c?

U-G-L-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-!-!-!-!

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

^ Chi_Coruscant... I'm not sure one can tell yet. It might not be too bad when its finished. But I'm worried about that side as well, especially the windowless concrete facade of the lower building adjacent to it.

^ Chi_Coruscant... I'm not sure one can tell yet. It might not be too bad when its finished. But I'm worried about that side as well, especially the windowless concrete facade of the lower building adjacent to it.

I can tell. Actually the west side going east on wacker is terrible looking too. It goes from a beautiful all glass curving facade on the front to smaller windows and and overbearing amount of concrete on the west side...ITS GRAND PLAZA ALL OVER AGAIN, at least on the west side...well at least the front looks nice..but come on, how cheap are they, make the whole thing glass please!

Uhh... there are other ways to make a successful design than just wrapping the entire thing in glass. Don't get me wrong, I think they pretty much dropped the ball on the south and west facades of this one, but, it should be pretty well hidden by other towers anyway (probably a good part of the decision).

Uhh... there are other ways to make a successful design than just wrapping the entire thing in glass. Don't get me wrong, I think they pretty much dropped the ball on the south and west facades of this one, but, it should be pretty well hidden by other towers anyway (probably a good part of the decision).

^ Are we calling the Wacker Drive face the "front"?

Also, I think you are right--the south and west sides will probably be covered by other buildings

^ Are we calling the Wacker Drive face the "front"?

Also, I think you are right--the south and west sides will probably be covered by other buildings

Thats what I assumed was the front right? It seems Wacker would be the most accesible and the more prominent entrance/address.

Since you guys are talking about it.



http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5645/regatta3sz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^yup, that's the backside of Regatta. Ugly and vile. It doesn't help from Tides blocking views from some certain angles either.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeder/cst-fin-roeder011.html

The $4 billion Lakeshore East development north of Grant Park is entering the next stage of its growth. In about 30 days, developers expect to break ground on the complex's sixth high-rise.

Called the Tides, the 52-story building is designed by James Loewenberg, architect and partner in Lakeshore East with Joel Carlins. With 608 apartments, the Tides will arise at the northwest corner of Field Drive and East South Water just north of the 6-acre park that serves as the development's centerpiece.

The building furthers the developers' goal of mixing rental and for-sale housing. Loewenberg said the projected monthly rents, from about $1,400 for a studio to $2,800 for a two-bedroom, will be similar to what the owners get for the Shoreham, a tower immediately east of the Tides. The Shoreham is now 95 percent leased just a year after it opened, an uncommonly fast fill-up.

Also straight ahead for Lakeshore East is an 82-story building for residential units and perhaps a hotel. It's planned for the east side of Columbus Drive across from the Fairmont Hotel. The architect is Jeanne Gang of Chicago, and while early sketches have circulated on the Internet, Loewenberg said they aren't accurate.

^^The afternoon is about to end and nobody expressed a feeling about Aqua???

Something's wrong here......

Maybe Low-end-berg is just simply lying so that the cat isn't let out of the bag about the design before its finished.

Hi everyone…I live at 400 East Randolph (Outer Drive East), and look over this new LSE development. It’s worlds better than the mud pit we had to look at while they were trying to get their butts in gear with this beautiful development, and much better than watching golf balls coming perilously close to our pool windows. ;) So I’m a huge fan of what has become our backyard.

I was googling for info about the potential stores that we’ll have available to us (I can see them starting to build stuff where the stores WILL be) and stumbled upon this thread, so I thought I’d register and post pictures, since so many of you are asking.

After going through the many pages of this thread, a few things to address from points made here by other posters:

At one of the most recent New Eastside Association of Residents meeting, the school and development in general were discussed. Ogden (http://www.ogdenschool.org), our neighborhood Public School, is packed to capacity and soon it will be very limited to our immediate neighborhoods, forcing those that are less advantaged to go elsewhere. This new LSE School is still supposed to be built, but funding through the School District to fill the shell of the school LSE is supposed to build is the problem now. The commissioner of the CPSD said that ultimately, they’d like to make this new school K through 4, and Ogden would be 5 through 8. There are so many kids that live in our building alone (should see the lobby when the bus comes to pick up the kids at 400 East and Harbor Point…packed), and with the 5 other buildings that were here prior to LSE, there is more than enough kids to justify this new school. There is an open space between the Lanchaster and The Shoreham, but it is very narrow, so the school would have to go vertical. They said that for security reasons, they will not consider putting the school in one of the buildings, but who knows what they really will do. There are 950 units in our building alone (almost 3300 residents) and more families move in every day, so it’s really growing by leaps and bounds, and they are going to HAVE to build the school sooner or later, so I hope it’s sooner, in time for my 2 kids to be so close to their first years of their education.

A few of you talked about the ugly walls that are seen from the older, existing buildings from the park below. I completely agree. Many of us were worried how they would handle the wall beneath our pool. We were told by the developer that the roof line of the townhomes were not allowed to exceed the pool deck floor (7th floor of our building), so I know that one of those walls would be obscured by vertical rising town homes. Terrible perspective, but here is a pic of the end of the pool and pool deck (where the town homes would butt up against), to give perspective compared to the park below.

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEtownhomeheight.jpg

Here is where the market/stores will be, where the trucks are parked…directly behind the new 340 building, and to the back of The Buckingham…that’s the dog park on the right...can't wait for this to really get going:

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEMarket.jpg

And they just put the barriers to the new construction site on the Tides a week or so ago. Tons of hardhats out there today pointing and discussing things. I will miss my view of the Hancock, but I feel fortunate to be able to even live in this booming neighborhood, so I’m sure I’ll get over it sooner or later. ;) I’ll be happy to take pics marking the progression of this building as it goes up, if you all are interested.

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEtides.jpg

And with the potential for the Children’s Museum going in across from our building on Randolph (on top of where the Bicentennial Field house is now), many of us are so excited to be part of what is happening to our community. Millennium Park as a front yard was fabulous, but it just gets better and better. There are many residents here who hate the LSE development (they were happy when it was just a mud pit…and they had an unobstructed view of the Pier) and all the progress taking place, but as a mom and with our home in this community, I am so excited about everything taking place, and like many of you, am really impressed with what they’ve done with this plot of land so far. No, I don’t like the look of the Shoreham either, compared to the Lancaster, but we can’t win them all…this Tides building picture I like better, and I’m glad, because it’ll be what I’m looking at day in and day out.

I’ve enjoyed reading your posts and opinions about these buildings. We watched them (and heard them, but that goes with the territory) go up, and look forward to the new ones being build. It’s so exciting as a resident…I can’t imagine what it must be like to watch these new buildings go up for the architectural buffs among you. ;) The builders have been respectful of the rest of us, for the most part (there are many complaints from the Buckingham residents about the new 340 building, but I hardly hear anything so I can’t substantiate), and they all have kept the surrounding residents informed about future plans…so if I hear anything new, I’ll let you know.

It’s been a pleasure reading this thread, and hope to talk with you all in the future. If you want more pictures, I’ll be happy to take/post them.

GT

^^The afternoon is about to end and nobody expressed a feeling about Aqua???

Something's wrong here......
if what you say is true , you made me a very happy person . i realy dislike the design ive see so far. :puke:

Hi everyone…I live at 400 East Randolph (Outer Drive East), and look over this new LSE development. It’s worlds better than the mud pit we had to look at while they were trying to get their butts in gear with this beautiful development, and much better than watching golf balls coming perilously close to our pool windows. ;) So I’m a huge fan of what has become our backyard.

I was googling for info about the potential stores that we’ll have available to us (I can see them starting to build stuff where the stores WILL be) and stumbled upon this thread, so I thought I’d register and post pictures, since so many of you are asking.

After going through the many pages of this thread, a few things to address from points made here by other posters:

At one of the most recent New Eastside Association of Residents meeting, the school and development in general were discussed. Ogden (http://www.ogdenschool.org), our neighborhood Public School, is packed to capacity and soon it will be very limited to our immediate neighborhoods, forcing those that are less advantaged to go elsewhere. This new LSE School is still supposed to be built, but funding through the School District to fill the shell of the school LSE is supposed to build is the problem now. The commissioner of the CPSD said that ultimately, they’d like to make this new school K through 4, and Ogden would be 5 through 8. There are so many kids that live in our building alone (should see the lobby when the bus comes to pick up the kids at 400 East and Harbor Point…packed), and with the 5 other buildings that were here prior to LSE, there is more than enough kids to justify this new school. There is an open space between the Lanchaster and The Shoreham, but it is very narrow, so the school would have to go vertical. They said that for security reasons, they will not consider putting the school in one of the buildings, but who knows what they really will do. There are 950 units in our building alone (almost 3300 residents) and more families move in every day, so it’s really growing by leaps and bounds, and they are going to HAVE to build the school sooner or later, so I hope it’s sooner, in time for my 2 kids to be so close to their first years of their education.

A few of you talked about the ugly walls that are seen from the older, existing buildings from the park below. I completely agree. Many of us were worried how they would handle the wall beneath our pool. We were told by the developer that the roof line of the townhomes were not allowed to exceed the pool deck floor (7th floor of our building), so I know that one of those walls would be obscured by vertical rising town homes. Terrible perspective, but here is a pic of the end of the pool and pool deck (where the town homes would butt up against), to give perspective compared to the park below.

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEtownhomeheight.jpg

Here is where the market/stores will be, where the trucks are parked…directly behind the new 340 building, and to the back of The Buckingham…that’s the dog park on the right...can't wait for this to really get going:

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEMarket.jpg

And they just put the barriers to the new construction site on the Tides a week or so ago. Tons of hardhats out there today pointing and discussing things. I will miss my view of the Hancock, but I feel fortunate to be able to even live in this booming neighborhood, so I’m sure I’ll get over it sooner or later. ;) I’ll be happy to take pics marking the progression of this building as it goes up, if you all are interested.

http://www.bachleda.org/images/LSEtides.jpg

And with the potential for the Children’s Museum going in across from our building on Randolph (on top of where the Bicentennial Field house is now), many of us are so excited to be part of what is happening to our community. Millennium Park as a front yard was fabulous, but it just gets better and better. There are many residents here who hate the LSE development (they were happy when it was just a mud pit…and they had an unobstructed view of the Pier) and all the progress taking place, but as a mom and with our home in this community, I am so excited about everything taking place, and like many of you, am really impressed with what they’ve done with this plot of land so far. No, I don’t like the look of the Shoreham either, compared to the Lancaster, but we can’t win them all…this Tides building picture I like better, and I’m glad, because it’ll be what I’m looking at day in and day out.

I’ve enjoyed reading your posts and opinions about these buildings. We watched them (and heard them, but that goes with the territory) go up, and look forward to the new ones being build. It’s so exciting as a resident…I can’t imagine what it must be like to watch these new buildings go up for the architectural buffs among you. ;) The builders have been respectful of the rest of us, for the most part (there are many complaints from the Buckingham residents about the new 340 building, but I hardly hear anything so I can’t substantiate), and they all have kept the surrounding residents informed about future plans…so if I hear anything new, I’ll let you know.

It’s been a pleasure reading this thread, and hope to talk with you all in the future. If you want more pictures, I’ll be happy to take/post them.

GT
GT welcome and thanx for the info and pix. your certainly welcome here esspecialy if your posting pics ;) and helping keep us updated. and its very interesting to hear about this project from an "insiders" point of veiw. this project is definately what to get excited about so we can all relate to to with that regard.

Thanks GTChicago!

I look forward to seeing what they do with the whole school thing.

Welcome to the forums

:wave: Welcome GTchicago
A mom's perspective brings much to this thread; the retail and school components would otherwise get short shrift. Looking forward to your updates.

GT: I just had a fascinating experience while looking for the trucks you referred to in your 2nd & 3rd pics. I've lived here long enough to have become inured to the "wow" factor of seeing tall buildings, but trying to find the trucks in those photos, especially in the distant landscape (which is probably not where I was supposed to be looking), made me realize just how tall those buildings really are. They're giants -- and the juxtaposition of searching for human-scaled objects amidst them gave me a quick renewal of the euphoria of being startled and intimidated by the sheer size of this city.

Thanks for contributing... :)

Welcome GT Chicago!

Its always a treat when someone stubles onto the forum. :)

^^The afternoon is about to end and nobody expressed a feeling about Aqua???

If that IS the finished design for Aqua, I won't have a problem with it really. It looks like it'll tie together nicely the modern curves of the new buildings and the boxiness of IL Center next door.

The one I really don't like is the Shoreham.. but it's past the point to bitch about that...

^It's not too late. The Tides will look very similar.

^ True, very true. For some reason, though, I don't have as much problem with the Tides. It's just that the Shoreham looks like it belongs in Miami or Singapore or someplace tropical, not here. This problem doesn't seem to afflict any of the other buildings.

How anyone could dislike what we've seen so far of Aqua is still beyond the comprehension of my little brain.

and i cant understand how anyone cana ccualy look at this thing and not puke

Let's avoid premature judgments about Aqua. All we've seen is a picture of a cardboard model, the accuracy of which is in dispute, unless other people have more information?

I like Aqua. It is innovative and original. It sets as a depature from typical rectangular or boxy design we have seen in past years.

Let's avoid premature judgments about Aqua. All we've seen is a picture of a cardboard model, the accuracy of which is in dispute, unless other people have more information?

No dispute. We've got two people who've seen the plans (BVic and Chi. Shawn). The plans have matched the model. Closed case as far as I'm concerned.

While the model is so-so, I imagine Aqua will be covered in - obviously - aqua colored glass. Imagine the model with that material and you'll quickly realize this is going to be a good one.

Well I say this: the people who are pillorying the design of Aqua are basing their judgments on a cardboard model, and that is what I think is premature.

But I should retract my "the accuracy of which is in dispute" clause, as you guys are in the know, and that statement in the newspaper about internet-circulated plans being inaccurate is probably just your standard denial.

Whatever happened to Anna22 and Kinofdurians? Hopefully, they were not sacked.

...the people who are pillorying the design of Aqua are basing their judgments on a cardboard model...

Not just a cardboard model, but a fuzzy cell-phone pic of a cardboard model.

i cetainly hope so , i think this concept has alot of potential

Well, I just checked www.340owners.com and guess what? They have 2 of the same preliminary pictures of Aqua on their website that we had posted earlier. Follow that link and click on Other Buildings in the right menu. Aqua should be listed.

Regatta topping-off part is friday,
McHugh expect at least 9 months before building is complete and ready for occupancy.
Hopefully once the curtan wall in installed it'll look less bland

Tides
perhaps you guys might've seen these pics before,
expect it to be between 4-8 floors taller than the Shoreham

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4838/tides36oj.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6185/tides26iy.jpg

If it looks more like the 2nd rendering (the better of the two) it will be mediocre at best.

Its unfortunately looking like, even with the inclusion of Aqua, that LakeshoreEast will be at best mediocre. A great opportunity thats gone to waste but of course in these occasions I'd love to be proven wrong. Although, wasnt each building in this project, or is it Central Station, supposed to be designed by different architects to prevent a sense of monotonity? All the blue glass has become quite boring to look at in my opinion and my eyes glaze over especially when the architecture is as unremarkable as it has been so far. This used to be my favorite of the two mega projects downtown up until they released the Chandler, in which Im disappointed with from the rendering and I just gave up with it completely when they released The Tides. It just looks like theyre cutting corners and being cheap with this now but as I as said I'd LOVE to be proven wrong especially since this project is visible from the boats of the architecture river tours. Oh well...

340 is also very good, the park came out pretty nicely.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6185/tides26iy.jpg

If this is the side of Tides that will front the Upper Wacker Drive, the quality of Lakeshore East is at risk of being bland and boring. Hopefully, Aqua would pick up the slack.

ChgoLvr83 -- It is Central Station that all the buildings are supposed to be designed by different architects.

SSDD

ChgoLvr83 -- It is Central Station that all the buildings are supposed to be designed by different architects.

SSDD

Ah, thanks. That needs to be implemented here quick, fast, and in a hurry because the lead architect with this project should just stop and split the remaining between multiple architect firms. I dont how it works but something should be done. Im just surprised at how everything seems so bland save the Lancaster, which I really like.

spyguy -- I used to be really confident about how 340 On The Park would turn out until recently. I think its the color of the glass and I cant remember if there will be a sense of transparency in it or if it'll be reflective. Either way, its the color of glass and the stark white thats gotten me nervous. Although, I really like the design of the tower itself, Im just not sure about the treatment.

...I used to be really confident about how 340 On The Park would turn out until recently...(I)ts the color of glass and the stark white thats gotten me nervous. Although, I really like the design of the tower itself, Im just not sure about the treatment.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed here, too - SCB does some really beautiful work, but then there's Sky55, which has the kinda cheapo-looking stark/dark contrast you mention above. Also, their penchant for horizontal banding is getting old fast as it replicates itself from project to project (does anyone know if these horizontal bands are functional in any way, apart from visually breaking up scale?)

We'll know shortly enough!

I don't think it has changed

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4171/aqua1id.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6619/aqua15bj.jpg

Yeah, it hasn't changed except Loewenberg lied.

Here's a nice piece from the "Daily Dose of Architecture" site:
http://archidose.blogspot.com/

I'm actually a bit concerned about Aqua after reading these articles. I expected a shimmering metal facade, but, now I know that the balconies will be concrete. I've got nothing against concrete (it's probably my favorite design material), but, I'm not sure that I'm going to get the light-play and animation from this exterior that I expected. Nonetheless, it will be a solid addition to LE no matter what, so, I'm still pulling for it.

I expected a shimmering metal facade, but, now I know that the balconies will be concrete. I've got nothing against concrete (it's probably my favorite design material), but, I'm not sure that I'm going to get the light-play and animation from this exterior that I expected. Nonetheless, it will be a solid addition to LE no matter what, so, I'm still pulling for it.


Are there drawings posted that show what material will be used for the balcony handrails? If they're composed of metal and glass, that could add some shimmer. I'm looking forward to seeing how this one turns out!

looks like a rotted out 2X4 or one thats seen a realy bad case of termites. untill i see a proper rendering with the proper coloring etc. this one is on my ugly as shit list

here are some photos of The Tides model in the LSE sales trailer.

http://images.snapfish.com/34655%3B485%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3238%3E868%3E492%3EWSNRCG%3D323358%3A%3B6257%3Anu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/34655%3B485%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3238%3E868%3E492%3EWSNRCG%3D323358%3A%3B62585nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/34655%3B485%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3238%3E868%3E492%3EWSNRCG%3D323358%3A%3B6258%3Cnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/34655%3B485%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3238%3E868%3E492%3EWSNRCG%3D323358%3A%3B62599nu0mrj

Thanks for the pix, BVictor. It seems that the model looks nicer than the rendering. So, hopefully, the Tides, once built, looks nicer as well. *fingers crossing*

Thanks for the pix, BVictor. It seems that the model looks nicer than the rendering. So, hopefully, the Tides, once built, looks nicer as well. *fingers crossing*

Also notice how "gorgeous" they make the west facade of The Regatta look...now go see it in person...butt ugly. Its a sales center or "spin center". I threw in the towel on LSE when when they built the Shoreham...get a new architect!...THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS STARTING TO REMIND ME OF A MINI DUBAI (not a good thing) Every building is different...yet still the same...know what I mean?

I'd be content to have a "Dubai" in this project right now. I agree, they should dump Loewenberg, but that won't happen given the success of most of the towers. And it's a shame really as this is one of the best spots for a mega development and we're getting mostly crap. The few things that are good so far is the actual park design, 340, Aqua, Lancaster (questionable) and we can only hope that the school and retail will be good. Everything else isn't worth mentioning.

Also notice those horrible square windows on the side on Tides, the same windows featured on all the other crappy towers of LSE.

Yeah, dump Loewenberg! Hire, Sir Norman Foster, Adrian Smith, Helmut Jahn, Daniel Liebskind, Santiago Calatrava, and other starchitects/rising stars to design each building!

There's nothing wrong with the Lancaster! It's probably the only decent thing Low-end-berg's ever built!

There's nothing wrong with the Lancaster! It's probably the only decent thing Low-end-berg's ever built!

I agree. Its THE only decent thing in LSE. For me the jury is still out on 340 OTP until I see the finished exterior treatment and Aqua needs a hi-res rendering to show it in the best light. So yeah, as of right now Lancaster is the only decent thing in LSE. I just want them to split the remaining towers to different architects and they dont even have to be big names. Theres so much potential out there waiting to be discovered. Lets tap into the undiscovered and see what they can come up with on a couple of the towers. Who knows what can happen? Chicago needs a breath of fresh air in its catalog of established architects. I feel they tend to water down their designs when it come to Chicago and a new "somebody" could definitely shake things up and hopefully enable more creative, inspired designs from the established. I had high hopes for this project and unfortunately Im sorely disappointed. Drop Lowenberg. Start new.

Yeah, dump Loewenberg! Hire, Sir Norman Foster, Adrian Smith, Helmut Jahn, Daniel Liebskind, Santiago Calatrava, and other starchitects/rising stars to design each building!

F*ck Libeskind. He can't do skyscrapers for jack.

I unfortunately have to agree with many of the criticisms mentioned above. I was initially very excited about this project but have steadily grown more and more disappointed by it. Those models BVictor photographed create such an over-idealized, inaccurate representation of what Lakeshore East actually looks like when you see it in person, as do the renderings. 340 OTP obviously looks amazing in the renders. But I'm even beginning to have my doubts about how it will turn out--how all of Lakeshore East will turn out. I just hope it ends up being the "community" envisioned by the developers and not merely some anonymous group of sterile, boring towers surrounding a vacant, lifeless park. And I don't see how that can be avoided when most of the buildings either proposed, approved, under construction, or completed, except for 340 OTP and Aqua, have no individual identities. Of course, these problems are especially significant when what we're dealing with is a prime piece of real estate in close proximity to the lake, the river, Millenium Park, and the Mag Mile. I hate to see it wasted like this.

...merely some anonymous group of sterile, boring towers surrounding a vacant, lifeless park. And I don't see how that can be avoided when most of the buildings either proposed, approved, under construction, or completed, except for 340 OTP and Aqua, have no individual identities.

Hold on there.

Despite all of us wanting pretty buildings, the actual quality of architecture has little to do with the life of a neighborhood.

While architecture is all nice and good, I'm personally happy having a decent looking Aqua and 340 amidst bland post-modern attempts because my main concern is with how this neighborhood is going to shape up in terms of vitality and in connectivity with the city, and so far atleast the former seems to be working out OK.

I don't mean to sermonize, but the connection between quailty architecture and a successful area are remotely, if at all, linked, so I wouldn't make such write-offs of an area simply because Loewenberg has fouled it up (after all, Grand Plaza has great ground-level interaction despite its architectural travesties).

I agree with Simulcra: let's not conflate architecture with design of the urban corrider. I'm surprised to see some of you turn against LSE in such a big way. First, of all, why all the skepticism suddenly about 340 OTP? As far as I know, that project is basically a SCB product, not a Loewenberg product. So the best predictor of the success or failure of that project is previous projects by SCB. Who here has been disappointed by what SCB has churned out? The Heritage, despite the seemingly "unfinished" paint job, looks pretty damned good. I think it looks great from Millenium Park. And its lower-level facade is elegant as well, even the pasted on facades from the older buildings they gutted. What about SCB's River North towers? OK, I know many people have lambasted 400 North LaSalle, which was an SCB design as I recall -- probably mainly because of that brownish-beige color, because the shape of the building is actually rather pleasing. Other SCB designs that I can immediately recall -- the Sterling, and back in '92, the Sheraton, are pretty solid in my view. SCB has a solid record all in all and is worlds apart from Loewenberg-Land.

And most of the LSE buildings that I have seen that were actually designed in part by Loewenberg are not bad. For example, the proportions on the Lancaster and the Shoreham are pleasing to the eye, unlike, say, the Park Millenium close by. Also, the taller buildings in this development -- 340 OTP, and now Aqua, are designed by others. Loewenberg's buildings will look small by comparison. Hell, last time I was in Chicago to see LSE, which was about a year ago, I was surprised at how "small" LSE's newer towers look in relation to some of those built earlier. In other words, I think the mediocre-to-average towers will be overshadowed by the kickass towers. (and I really don't think there are going to be any mediocre new ones built but maybe I'll be very wrong)

I really think our expectations have increased as design standards have increased. LSE even without Aqua or 340 OTP is worlds above concrete city in River North. Yet we're complaining! We take for granted the fact that there is demand for all of this development, and that so much more of the building facades are eye-pleasing tinted glass....

I really think our expectations have increased as design standards have increased. LSE even without Aqua or 340 OTP is worlds above concrete city in River North. Yet we're complaining!

OUR EXPECTATIONS SHOULD INCREASE and we should be complaining because I have said this many times on this forum but I believe architects have a responsibility to be progressive in thinking and designing and when the architectal team for LSE is cheaping out on the most visible parts of a high rise (the sides and rear) and conforming the designs of all the buildings we have every right to get pissy.

As far as 340 goes I think it will be great and have no reservations about it.

we have every right to get pissy.

I wasn't aware that you had financial interest in LSE. You paying the architect's commission? What about the construction costs? No? Then guess what? You've got no right to be pissy. If you don't like the building, don't buy one of their units. It's that simple. What everyone here seems to forget is that development is still a business. Yes, we must be responsible - but, we must also mind the bottom line. None of this construction would be happening if all of these towers were designed to our ideal specifications - the cost would simply be too high.

We should be thankful that we've got new towers to critique lest we forget the developmental void that marked the last two decades of the twentieth century.

<end rant>

Sry for the dbl post - but, I forgot to address the 340 concerns.

Granted, I'm also becoming wary of 340's aesthetic value - but, we can't forget that no matter what it looks like, it's still a step forward for Chicago highrise construction in that it's LEED certified (Gold level, at least, possibly Platinum) and that's forward thinking here no matter how you slice it.

One other thing...Does anyone know what that side building is directly connected to the Shoreham? I don't get it...is that parking disguised as residences or are those actually residences? Anybody know...I don't know how to post pictures but heres a link to what Im talking about...I think it is also going be present on the Regatta?...


http://www.rent.com/media/property/731/731487_w.jpg

^I saw the side buildings attached to Regatta and Shoreham, separately. They kinda stick out like small potatoes or Danny DeVito walking side by side with Arnold Schwarzenneger in the movie "Twins".

You know, I am starting to realize they are Loewenberg trademarks.

One other thing...Does anyone know what that side building is directly connected to the Shoreham? I don't get it...is that parking disguised as residences or are those actually residences? Anybody know...I don't know how to post pictures but heres a link to what Im talking about...I think it is also going be present on the Regatta?...

http://www.rent.com/media/property/731/731487_w.jpg

They are residences. All levels facing the park have people living in them, that I can see. The pool and sundeck is at the top of that section, and all people living below. They look like huge spaces inside from what I can see from my vantage point, so maybe that section are larger residences, and more expensive? Not sure.

When they were breaking ground on the initial first phase, LSE hosted this really extravagant conference for all the local residences at the Swiss Hotel. First we were given packets about the individual phases, and then they gave a really nice media presentation about the park, phases, etc held in the packed Main ballroom. Then they gave us listings of presentations taking place on the different conference floors regarding different areas of interests…people concerned about the traffic flow could go to one room, while people interested in the school would go into another. I went into the presentation about the design of the buildings. From what I understood the speaker to say, he stressed a few reasons for the lower part present in these buildings.

They wanted to break up the scale of these buildings to:

1. Allow more light/air flow into the development, park area, and surrounding neighborhood.

2. Allow views to not be completely obstructed for new and existing residences (which got claps from the audience). I remember the speaker saying something like “Different levels make things more interesting to the eye, and allows you to see beyond.” Not an exact quote…it was years ago!

3. Avoid the “Walled in” feeling found in cities like New York, allowing for a greater sense of space, even if there are going to be many buildings present.

There were other factors, including architectural reasons, but I got up to go to the next room to hear about the school and shopping center so I never heard them…and I’ sorry I did, because I’m sure that would be the part that would interest all of YOU the most! ;)

Not sure if this was a bunch of bull, but it made sense to those of us sitting in there. LOL!

But as Chi_Coruscant said, it makes sense to me that they may be trademarks. I’m sorry that I can’t confirm that as fact, as I left the room, but that could very well be it.

GT

Avoid the “Walled in” feeling found in cities like New York, allowing for a greater sense of space, even if there are going to be many buildings present.

That's interesting, since it is New York that employs a similar strategy of terracing and requiring setbacks (which these tiny little building stumps seem to be more exaggerated versions of). In fact, I dare say more of Chicago has a "walled in" feeling than New York, as most buildings in new york taper off, while Chicago buildings tend to be stout rectangular prisms. In fact, deep in the heart of the Loop is more shadowy than the densest areas of Midtown.

So a bunch of bull I say.

In an increasingly dense city like Chicago, views from a new tower must be negotiated between existing buildings. Aqua tower considers criteria such as views, solar shading and function to derive a vertical system of contours that gives the structure its sculptural form. Its vertical topography is defined by its outdoor terraces that gradually change in plan over the length of the tower. These terraces offer a strong connection to the outdoors and allow inhabitants to occupy the building façade and city simultaneously. The result is a highly sculptural building when viewed obliquely that transforms into a slender rectangle from further away. Its powerful form suggests the limestone outcroppings and geologic forces that shaped the great lakes region.

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Architect: Studio Gang Architects
Architect of Record: Loewenberg & Associates
Owner: Magellan Development
Program: Hotel and Residential High-rise with
retail and commercial spaces
Size: 1.9 m SF including parking, 823 feet high
Construction Begins: 2006

I still like it, but it keeps shrinking. 823' now.

Will those extensive canopy be used as balcony propose aswell? or just for decoration.

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Will those extensive canopy be used as balcony propose aswell? or just for decoration.

They're being used as balconies, for aesthetics and for sun shading as well.

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Correct me if I wrong here folks but did they say that some balconies would extend out up to 12ft on Aqua? I mean if this is the case and assuming that 12ft is all balcony that means your view on those particular floors would be terribly obstructed when trying to look out and or down from your living areas...right?

I received confirmation from the sales representative from Aqua that they will begin taking reservations for Aqua residences on April 8, 2006. They did not specify price ranges but I would assume they would start around 500 or so. None the less good news for a building Im now becoming more and more fond of...Also does anyone know the answer to that previous post I made^^^??????

Correct me if I wrong here folks but did they say that some balconies would extend out up to 12ft on Aqua? I mean if this is the case and assuming that 12ft is all balcony that means your view on those particular floors would be terribly obstructed when trying to look out and or down from your living areas...right?

The point for having some of the balconies extend up to 12 feet out was in fact to give the residences on the lower floors better views. Because of the density of skyscrapers in the area if your 12' out you will have a slight view around some of those other buildings. Don't worry about looking down, look left or right and you'll be all good.

Well, I see his point Butler... from within the units, the views will be pretty limited because the balcony extends so far out. I'd also be very concerned with natural daylight. I've got to give Studio Gang the benefit of the doubt on this one though, and assume that they've somehow come up with a very creative solution that is escaping my feeble little brain at this point.

well think about it.because of the flowing nature of the swelling balconies , the baconies emediatly near the one you would be standing on is within the same relitive distance from the building , only swill it realy become a diferance 5 or mabey even 20 floors down or up or 5-20 yards over to the side. when the balconies that are jutting out that far are so far away the blocking effect your worried about becomes significantly diminished. even the most jutting out balconie,although may block the veiw of a building or two, it will not realy be of much obstruction to the overall veiws.the understand this idea , put your hand in front of your eyes , you cant see anything , but as you slowly pull your hand further away from your eyes , the more you can see and the less your hand blocks your veiws of your surroundings

Thanks for trying to explain it to me like I was a two year old. Have you ever lived in a building with recessed balconies? You can't see shit except for straight out from WITHIN your unit. I'm not concerned with the view from on the balconies, and I'm not concerned with adjacent balconies... I'm concerned what those people that have 10+ foot balconies will see from inside their unit. Still don't beleive me? Go to Marina City and tell them you want to rent an apartment so you can get inside. Let me know what you can see from inside the unit: the answer... not much. You can only see directly in front of you, not up or down.

Thanks for trying to explain it to me like I was a two year old. Have you ever lived in a building with recessed balconies? You can't see shit except for straight out from WITHIN your unit. I'm not concerned with the view from on the balconies, and I'm not concerned with adjacent balconies... I'm concerned what those people that have 10+ foot balconies will see from inside their unit. Still don't beleive me? Go to Marina City and tell them you want to rent an apartment so you can get inside. Let me know what you can see from inside the unit: the answer... not much. You can only see directly in front of you, not up or down.

You mean your not two years old? :nuts:

I know exactly what you are saying. Those with deep balconies will have a "tunnel" effect when looking out of their unit. Even if there are no solid, shared "walls" with adjacent balconies, looking up or down will be difficult. Sort of like visiting Wrigley and sitting way back in the lower level, under the luxury boxes. You can't see pop flies.

Thanks for trying to explain it to me like I was a two year old. Have you ever lived in a building with recessed balconies? You can't see shit except for straight out from WITHIN your unit. I'm not concerned with the view from on the balconies, and I'm not concerned with adjacent balconies... I'm concerned what those people that have 10+ foot balconies will see from inside their unit. Still don't beleive me? Go to Marina City and tell them you want to rent an apartment so you can get inside. Let me know what you can see from inside the unit: the answer... not much. You can only see directly in front of you, not up or down.

whooo chill man , i missunderstood your question.i was just tryin to be helpfull :bash:

To be honest I don't really see how the architects can have a solution to the shade problem. You would feel like your living in a cave, even with an 8 foot balcony, the sun would be diminished drastically in your actual living areas. I sure hope this does not put a damper on their sales...Im very excited to see how they are going to "spin" these units with 12foot balconies at the sales center...And looking at the plan it seems the units with the massive balconies are higher up...Im wondering if these would actually be cheaper?

^-- That's why I was so curious to see what their "solution" (if there is one) could possibly be. As far as hurting the sales is concerned, I wouldn't expect it to make much of a difference. Most people would never think of such a thing and would simply leap at the idea of a 12' deep balcony. By the time they realize that they're living in a tunnel, it will already be too late.

truth be told , even though i wouldnt have an emediate veiw of the world , i know that if i take a few steps out for fresh air i can get one of most majestic veiws in the world. people might want that sence of privacy as well. so if they have there 10ft deep tunnel vison inducing balcony , that would provide this for them . and at the same time thay can get the nice veiws they may be craving , once in a while by steping out for a breath of fresh air, which mind you will add to the wow factor , since its not like the every day ho-hum veiw you see by just sitting on your living room couch. it becomes more of an adventure to get a nice veiw. theres also the plus side to the condo that its a landmark ground breaking design, luxuriouse, downtown, near mill. park ,mich. ave., state street, the river, and all kinds of cool downtown things. dont forget no everyone cares to have a the most spectaculare veiw . many are living dowtown to be near everything and its the perfect location for that .and to them the veiw is simply a nice bonus

The balconies aren't a uniform width and disappear completely at certain points - my sense is that many units will have both a balcony and a straight window view. You might be able to look out of one apartment exposure and see the balcony melt away as it narrows down into nothingness. In addition, because the balcony dimensions mutate from floor to floor, the balcony might have no balcony plate above it - this would mitigate the "tunnel effect", eg Marina City.

With all due respect wickedest... those are some horrible arguments. People wouldn't pay upwards of a million dollars if they realized they were going to have a 'sometimes' view. They want the view all the time. Not to mention, the view is only the secondary portion of my concern, primarily, I think these units are going to be very dark.

Now, wrabbit brings up some interesting ideas, and this may very well be the solution that Gang used to mitigate the problem; but, if it isn't... well, then like I stated before, these are going to be some very dark living conditions.

..

I have to plead ignorance on the nature of Aqua's balconies, but is it just possible that the real differential between balcony size from unit to unit (going up and down) is far less than it may appear to be?

Also, is it possible that if some part of a unit has a large balcony with sunlight blockage, another room(s) in that unit has neither balcony...nor blockage?

It woud seem to me that the architects who are concerned about the over-all appearance of the building don't have the luxury of ignoring how that dramatic exterior affects the individual units that they have to sell to the public. Wouldn't it be absurd to assume that they wouldn't look at every one of these unbelievably expensive units to determine if the balacony arrangement creates a viable piece of sellable property?

I have to plead ignorance on the nature of Aqua's balconies, but is it just possible that the real differential between balcony size from unit to unit (going up and down) is far less than it may appear to be?

Nope. I forget the article but it said some balconies extend out 12ft.

Another forumer implied the balcony may not be as long on the floor above however I also disagree with this. To achieve the "wave effect" it has to be suddel so if your balcony is 12ft then the one above would probally still be at least 10ft. The majority of the units will be fine but I still believe quite a few (20-40?) will have that cave effect.

Have they revealed the architectual materials on this yet? Im curious to see what specific color the exposed balconies concrete will be and the color of the floor to ceiling glass.

You know what would be nice to get some regularly scheduled updates on is pricing information per building and some comparisons.

For example, what is the going rate per square foot for a condo at the Chandler? I guess the Regatta and Lancaster are sold-out so it would be hard to say there... What about the Aqua? Does anyone have advance info on that building?

Another thing is, what is the trend in terms of pricing? Up 5%... down 5%... etc. What is the general trend in the Chicago condo market?

And then what about some comparisons to buildings/developments outside of Lakeshore East. Museum Park?

If this is not the appropriate forum for this topic, can someone please suggest one?

I don't have my scanner hooked up so I can't show you. There is a nice 1 page ad for Aqua in the Tribune real estate section to today. Show the building really nice. Also looks like it says the residence begin on the 53rd floor and go up to 80.

Go buy the paper and check it out.

I found this color rendering on some random web site a few minutes ago. I'm not sure if it's the same one that was in the Trib yesterday since I forgot to grab one, but, here it is nonetheless :)

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3730/aqua6zh.jpg

I was shooting photos of 340 this morning and saw all the activity at the LSE trailer. Looks like models are being installed for the Aqua sales effort which begins next month.

http://www.340otp.com/linked/aqua_to_lse2.gif

http://www.340otp.com/linked/aqua_to_lse.gif

Patrick, what is the general reaction in LSE community regarding Aqua, if you know?

I'm still curious as to the base and why it's looks so huge but only two floors? What kind of retail are they expecting?

^might not be retail but an expansion of hotel facilities.

I just called and the sales office - said that the models for aqua would be availble for viewing in a week.

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2729/aqau9bh.jpg

^^With that image next to Aon

it looks tall....AOn is what 1136 or so Aqua looks almost as tall in that render

I went to the LSE sales center last weekend with Dan, and I snapped a few shots of the temperary model. This will give everyone a better idea of the reasons for the massive base. It also gives you a sense of scale for this building. They had to cut off about a foot of the legs on the main model so that the tower model will fit. Hell, if they decide to build anything bigger than Aqua this bitch will be sitting on the floor, or within a pit:)

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Massive amounts of landscaping and activities on top of the podium. Think Lake Point Tower.
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Aqua towers over all the other models.
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Cool Vic......from these model is the estimate of ~~930ft seemingly accurate of does it appear taller.....or can you tell from these models??

^^^
Living in a city...that is the majority of us. A few windows letting in a lot of light...but often times our windows may be only a few feet away from the adjacent side of another building or may peer into a light court (love those!!!). There will be plenty of light. And where do most city spend their time? At work and at play.

Cool Vic......from these model is the estimate of ~~930ft seemingly accurate of does it appear taller.....or can you tell from these models??

823' is the approximate height of Aqua.

Please don't post anywhere else, thanks!

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823' is the approximate height of Aqua.
Vic, there's long been a bland and blockish utility structure just to the south of where the Aqua is to be situated. Do you know if that large podium will hide it from the pedestrian view on Columbus Drive? Any news on the tower planned for the site between BCBS and Aqua?

Vic, there's long been a bland and blockish utility structure just to the south of where the Aqua is to be situated. Do you know if that large podium will hide it from the pedestrian view on Columbus Drive? Any news on the tower planned for the site between BCBS and Aqua?

That structure is the Comed substation/vault. It won't be demolished and Aqua will be built over it. It will still be visible from mid-level and lower Columbus but not from upper Columbus or from the LSE park.

Vic, there's long been a bland and blockish utility structure just to the south of where the Aqua is to be situated. Do you know if that large podium will hide it from the pedestrian view on Columbus Drive? Any news on the tower planned for the site between BCBS and Aqua?

I'm glad that you mentioned this. I had totally forgotten about that substation. That's probably why the base on Aqua is so massive. Thankx... No, I don't know anything about that project.

Shawn, was this what you were talking about (somewhere) about that escalator thing?

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Here's another rendering that 340owners.com found
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^It looks intriguing.

5-6-06

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Images courtesy of The Chicago Reader website:

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Wow!

^That last rendering is just spectacular. If they can manage to actually make the facade look like that, it'll be amazing!

For what it is worth, here are some floor plans I received from the LSE Sales office:

Thank you for your interest at Aqua. Please see the attached floor plans.
We do have one two bedroom left with SE exposure (06) on the 58th floor.
The two plus den (08 floor plan) is available on floors 62 thru floor 65. The two bedroom with NW exposure (02 floor plan) are available between floors 60 thru 69. The one bedroom witn NW exposure (03 floor plan) are available between floors 53-55. Those are designer finishes units. Please check our web side www. lakeshoreeast.com for views.Currently we are taking reservations for units. Call Leila at 312.493.8200 to schedule an appointment.
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Some of those terraces look quite roomy.

Late News: High-end hotel eyed for Lakeshore East

From the Monday, May 15 issue of Crain's

High-end hotel eyed for Lakeshore East
Strategic Hotels & Resorts wants to build a 200-room hotel in the Lakeshore East development, south of the Chicago River and east of Columbus Drive, says CEO Laurence Geller. He says the Chicago-based REIT, which owns the Fairmont and InterContinental, aims to flag the hotel with "one of the very high luxury brands of the world," and is talking to Magellan Development Group, developer of Lakeshore East. Magellan Co-CEO Joel Carlins says the project would include condos; he also is entertaining offers from other hotel developers. [Alby Gallun]

The Regatta as of 05/28/06

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/06/462732.jpg

^If they weren't so cheap with the other sides, Regatta wouldn't look that bad at all.

Anyway, some more market renderings:
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^ WOW!

Great find. This looks incredible

easy on the posting of images...i have roadrunner and my computer still nearly crashed

More renderings galore (smaller):

Aqua
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Tides
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Chandler
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Parkhomes
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easy on the posting of images...i have roadrunner and my computer still nearly crashed

Might be time for a new computer.

I been to LSE for the first time 2 months ago... I thought the little park was nice, but the view is very interesting... the view of the Aon and 2 Pru is very unique!

Aqua is going to have an outdoor deck area that rivals Lake Point Tower's in size. What could warrant one building to have that much open space on such high priced land.

Don't get me wrong; I don't see this as a negative at all...just surprising.

Tight space aside, does the retail component seem a bit cold and uninviting and at counter trends to the type of retail construction currently happening nationally today?

Tight space aside, does the retail component seem a bit cold and uninviting and at counter trends to the type of retail construction currently happening nationally today?


What is that trend nationally? Every city I go to they all have different styles....The national trend has been towards big huge parking lots and "life centers". Well you know how I feel about cars. Look at the nice wide side walk. A park on the opposite side. Trees on the side walk. Glass windows at street level making it so inviting to the pedestrians.

Nope this looks GREAT. And unless it is downtown SF or NYC I don't want to follow any national trends.

Aqua is going to have an outdoor deck area that rivals Lake Point Tower's in size. What could warrant one building to have that much open space on such high priced land.


The Market.

Aqua is going to have an outdoor deck area that rivals Lake Point Tower's in size. What could warrant one building to have that much open space on such high priced land.

Don't get me wrong; I don't see this as a negative at all...just surprising.

If I'm right, and that is a big if, that part of the structure is being built on air rights over an existing structure (I think it is another ComEd substation?). So it is either cover it up, or have your owners/hotel visitors looking out over this little ugly building.

If I'm right, and that is a big if, that part of the structure is being built on air rights over an existing structure (I think it is another ComEd substation?). So it is either cover it up, or have your owners/hotel visitors looking out over this little ugly building.

that would be a most obvious explanation. Thanks!

BTW guys, there's already a thread devoted to Aqua discussions. I suggest you take them there..

BTW guys, there's already a thread devoted to Aqua discussions. I suggest you take them there..

So you are admin now? And this is just a simple short tangent and "is" actually in a group that is discussing LakeShore East.

Now your new tangent....security guard has disrupted this thread just as bad as the Aqua tangent. You should be so ashamed........

So you are admin now? And this is just a simple short tangent and "is" actually in a group that is discussing LakeShore East.

Now your new tangent....security guard has disrupted this thread just as bad as the Aqua tangent. You should be so ashamed........

See, look what you did. You took us even further off topic :lol:

ComEd Completing repairs yesterday (June 19)

Tribune Article of Cable Cutting at 340owners.com (http://www.340owners.com/news_documents/html/tribune_06_16_2006.htm)

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http://www.lakeshoreeast.com/mediaroom/suburbs_majority.html

SUBURBS PRODUCE LARGE MAJORITY OF BUYERS AT BOOMING NEW LAKESHORE EAST COMMUNITY
June 20, 2006

By a majority of nearly 2-to-1, suburbanites are outnumbering city-based buyers flocking to the blossoming new Lakeshore East community on the New East Side with out-of-staters logging in 15 percent of total sales.

A demographic breakdown of the first five luxury condominium towers completed, under development or being pre-construction marketed in the new neighborhood near the confluence of Lake Michigan and the Chicago River with a combined total of 1,449 residences reveals:

• 690 purchasers, or 55 percent of the total, come from Chicago suburbs
• Another 391 or 30 percent are from the city
• 165 or 15 percent are from out of state
• Another 3 are from outside the United States (Canada, Italy and Singapore)

“While sales from the city remain strong, we find interesting a subtle shift of the proportion from the suburbs and out-of-state buyers as the community has evolved,” observed David Carlins, president of Magellan Development Group, LLC, the developer of Lakeshore East.

The first completed and occupied condominium tower in the community is The Lancaster, a 29-story structure designed by Loewenberg Architects with 209 residences. Nearing completion sold-out with first occupancy scheduled for August is The Regatta. Designed by DeStefano + Partners Inc., the 44-story building contains 325 residences.

Two condominiums under construction are The Chandler and 340 on the Park.

The 35-story The Chandler, with 304 residences, was also designed by DeStefano + Partners. It is 90 percent sold and initial occupancy is projected for 2007.

340 on the Park, a joint venture of LR Development Co. and Magellan, is under construction at 340 E. Randolph. Sales at the 348-unit, 62-story tower designed by Solomon Cordwell Buenz & Associates are at the 80% level with occupancy also projected for 2007.

The newest addition to Lakeshore east is Aqua, a unique 80-story mixed-use skyscraper uniquely designed by award-winning architect Jeanne Gang of Studio Gang. The Aqua marketing program was launched April 8 and 66 percent of the luxury condominiums included in the building's design have been reserved

Aqua, which will be the tallest and most distinctive residential building in downtown Chicago, will be the first high-rise in the city designed uniquely to combine condos, rental, hotel and retail spaces in a single structure. It is also believed to be the tallest building ever designed by an architectural firm headed by a woman.
While 21 other states have produced buyers at Lakeshore East, the Midwestern states of Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin are joined by sunshine states California and Florida and New York City as the most popular non-Illinois purchasers.

Lakeshore East is evolving as a mixed-use lifestyle center where people can live, work, shop, eat and pursue whatever interests them without having to get into a car.

The plan that completes the ambitious Illinois Center development allows for the construction of up to 4,950 residences, a magnificent 6-acre public park, 2.2 million gross square feet of commercial space, 1,500 hotel rooms, 770,000 square feet of retail space and a proposed elementary school.

Some 40 percent of the site will remain vibrant open space. Among the award-winning Lakeshore East park’s many attractions is free Wi-Fi or wireless broadband Internet access. Other park amenities include a children’s play park, a gated dog park, a large open meadow, water fountains, ornamental gardens and extensive seating.

Residential developments at Lakeshore East, in addition to the condominium properties, currently include The Shoreham, a completed and occupied 46-story apartment tower with 548 residences and the 51-story The Tides, the community’s second rental property with 607 luxury units. It also is under construction. And the first phase of Parkhomes at Lakeshore East, an enclave of 24 gracious and distinctive single-family homes bordering the new award-winning public park, is in the final design stage and expected to be brought to market by summer 2006.

http://www.lakeshoreeast.com/mediaroom/parkhomes07172006.html

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LAKESHORE EAST LAUNCHES SALES OF DISTINGUISHED PARKHOMES

Magellan Development Group has begun sales of the highly anticipated Parkhomes that form a new neighborhood at Lakeshore East, an emerging village in the heart of downtown Chicago steps from Michigan Avenue.

The grouping of 24 residences at the southeast sector of the $4 billion, 28-acre mixed-use development boasts a unique opportunity for single-family living with park and select lake views in downtown Chicago.

A collaboration of The Steinberg Group of San Jose, CA as design consultants and Loewenberg Architects has created a blend of brick, stone, wrought iron and copper highlights that Loewenberg Chairman Jim Loewenberg says is an innovative concept for Chicago.

A trio of design plans with private, attached parking ranges in size from 2,921 to 3,956 square feet of elegant living space, ranging in price from approximately $1.7 million to $2.5 million

One grouping includes 10 three-story homes with rooftop terraces that contain from 3,565 to 3,956 square feet of living area. Optional private elevators are available.

A second design format consists of 12 three-story plans with balconies and terraces combined in a seven-story building, ranging in size from 3,355 to 3,909 square feet.

Rounding out the design portfolio is a pair of luxurious single-level penthouses featuring private terraces atop the seven-story building. They provide 2,921 or 2,923 square feet of living area with views of Lake Michigan and the award-winning park at the nucleus of Lakeshore East.

“There is absolutely nothing in downtown Chicago that compares with these Parkhomes,” declared Tricia Van Horn, vice president of sales and marketing.

The Parkhomes present a sumptuous portfolio of features and finishes from expansive park and lake views to space expanding 10-foot living and dining room ceilings and 9-foot ceilings in bedrooms and family rooms. Standard are designer-style recessed lighting, individually controlled year-round heating and air conditioning and wiring for high speed Internet and Cable TV.

Finishes, for example, range from stained-on site oak flooring and staircases to marble in the foyer, luxury carpeting in designated living areas, crown molding in living, dining and master bedroom areas and natural granite windowsills. And much more.

Gourmet kitchens offer a choice of Snaidero or Fieldstone premium designer cabinetry, natural granite countertops and backsplashes, Hans-Grohe designer European-style fixtures, Franke undermount stainless steel sinks and a stainless steel appliance package that includes a SubZero refrigerator, Miele fully-integrated dishwasher, Wolf double-oven with separate cooktop and Wolf built-in microwave oven.

Continuing the parade of delights, the master suite includes a Closet Works organizational closet system and a choice of Snaidero or Fieldstone premium designer cabinetry and a luxurious master bath with marble flooring, vanity top and Jacuzzi whirlpool spa bathtub surround, stone shower base, frameless vanity wall mirrors, and Hans-Grohe designer European fixtures with Kohler sinks.

Parkhome owners also receive a complimentary one-year membership to the Mid-America Club at the nearby Aon Center.

A village in the heart of downtown Chicago steps from Michigan Avenue, Lakeshore East spans 28 acres, believed to be the largest parcel of downtown land under development in a major U.S. city. This $4 billion mixed-use development in the rapidly-growing New East Side incorporates all the elements of a traditional city neighborhood, a lifestyle center that includes homes, retail, recreational opportunities and community amenities such as a lush public park and a planned charter elementary school.

Across the street from the city’s acclaimed new Millennium Park, Lakeshore East is a preview of the future, a mixed-use development where people can live, work, shop, eat and pursue whatever interests them without having to get into a car.

The plan that completes the ambitious Illinois Center development allows for the construction of up to 4,950 residences, a magnificent 6-acre public park, 2.2 million gross square feet of commercial space, 1,500 hotel rooms, 770,000 square feet of retail space and a proposed charter elementary school.

Some 40 percent of the site will remain vibrant open space. Among the centerpiece park’s many attractions is free Wi-Fi or wireless broadband Internet access. Other park amenities include a children’s’ play park, a gated dog park, a large open meadow, water fountains, ornamental gardens and extensive seating. In addition, a series of smaller parks with special designs and water features will be added to the community.

http://www.lakeshoreeast.com/mediaroom/parkhomes07172006.html

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LAKESHORE EAST LAUNCHES SALES OF DISTINGUISHED PARKHOMES

Magellan Development Group has begun sales of the highly anticipated Parkhomes that form a new neighborhood at Lakeshore East, an emerging village in the heart of downtown Chicago steps from Michigan Avenue.

The grouping of 24 residences at the southeast sector of the $4 billion, 28-acre mixed-use development boasts a unique opportunity for single-family living with park and select lake views in downtown Chicago.

A collaboration of The Steinberg Group of San Jose, CA as design consultants and Loewenberg Architects has created a blend of brick, stone, wrought iron and copper highlights that Loewenberg Chairman Jim Loewenberg says is an innovative concept for Chicago.

A trio of design plans with private, attached parking ranges in size from 2,921 to 3,956 square feet of elegant living space, ranging in price from approximately $1.7 million to $2.5 million

One grouping includes 10 three-story homes with rooftop terraces that contain from 3,565 to 3,956 square feet of living area. Optional private elevators are available.

A second design format consists of 12 three-story plans with balconies and terraces combined in a seven-story building, ranging in size from 3,355 to 3,909 square feet.

Rounding out the design portfolio is a pair of luxurious single-level penthouses featuring private terraces atop the seven-story building. They provide 2,921 or 2,923 square feet of living area with views of Lake Michigan and the award-winning park at the nucleus of Lakeshore East.

“There is absolutely nothing in downtown Chicago that compares with these Parkhomes,” declared Tricia Van Horn, vice president of sales and marketing.

The Parkhomes present a sumptuous portfolio of features and finishes from expansive park and lake views to space expanding 10-foot living and dining room ceilings and 9-foot ceilings in bedrooms and family rooms. Standard are designer-style recessed lighting, individually controlled year-round heating and air conditioning and wiring for high speed Internet and Cable TV.

Finishes, for example, range from stained-on site oak flooring and staircases to marble in the foyer, luxury carpeting in designated living areas, crown molding in living, dining and master bedroom areas and natural granite windowsills. And much more.

Gourmet kitchens offer a choice of Snaidero or Fieldstone premium designer cabinetry, natural granite countertops and backsplashes, Hans-Grohe designer European-style fixtures, Franke undermount stainless steel sinks and a stainless steel appliance package that includes a SubZero refrigerator, Miele fully-integrated dishwasher, Wolf double-oven with separate cooktop and Wolf built-in microwave oven.

Continuing the parade of delights, the master suite includes a Closet Works organizational closet system and a choice of Snaidero or Fieldstone premium designer cabinetry and a luxurious master bath with marble flooring, vanity top and Jacuzzi whirlpool spa bathtub surround, stone shower base, frameless vanity wall mirrors, and Hans-Grohe designer European fixtures with Kohler sinks.

Parkhome owners also receive a complimentary one-year membership to the Mid-America Club at the nearby Aon Center.

A village in the heart of downtown Chicago steps from Michigan Avenue, Lakeshore East spans 28 acres, believed to be the largest parcel of downtown land under development in a major U.S. city. This $4 billion mixed-use development in the rapidly-growing New East Side incorporates all the elements of a traditional city neighborhood, a lifestyle center that includes homes, retail, recreational opportunities and community amenities such as a lush public park and a planned charter elementary school.

Across the street from the city’s acclaimed new Millennium Park, Lakeshore East is a preview of the future, a mixed-use development where people can live, work, shop, eat and pursue whatever interests them without having to get into a car.

The plan that completes the ambitious Illinois Center development allows for the construction of up to 4,950 residences, a magnificent 6-acre public park, 2.2 million gross square feet of commercial space, 1,500 hotel rooms, 770,000 square feet of retail space and a proposed charter elementary school.

Some 40 percent of the site will remain vibrant open space. Among the centerpiece park’s many attractions is free Wi-Fi or wireless broadband Internet access. Other park amenities include a children’s’ play park, a gated dog park, a large open meadow, water fountains, ornamental gardens and extensive seating. In addition, a series of smaller parks with special designs and water features will be added to the community.

Now this is great news! The townhomes along with the park bring generous low rise and open space to such a dense development. LSE is in a class by itself!

Sorry for the crappy formatting

From New Homes

Lakeshore East
A diverse community built byan all-star cast of architects

Aside from pursuing its mission to create a distinguished
"village within a city," Lakeshore East developer
Magellan Development Group has assembled an all-star
cast of architects to assure its future as an icon of architectural
diversity in a city known for great architecture.
"It has been one of our paramount goals that the
architecture of Lakeshore East should represent a diversity
of innovative architecture and not dominated by one
or two firms," stated Joel M. Carlins, Magellan co-CEO.
The master plan for the 28-acre, $4 billion mixed-use
complex where the Chicago River meets Lakes
Michigan, designed by Skidmore Owings and Merrill
(SOM), has already received a prestigious National
Honor Award from the American Institute of Architects
for excellence in urban design.
"We aim to perpetuate that recognition as an obligation
to produce diverse, high-quality architecture,"
added co-CEO Jim Loewenberg, who is also president
of Loewenberg Architects,
architects and is overseeing
the incorporation of various
design firms into the
Lakeshore East community.
“The incorporation of
these various architectural
talents into the overall
community has been an
exciting challenge.
"We have been careful
to assure the quality of
each aspect of Lakeshore
East's design and architecture,"
said Carlins.
“Under Skidmore Owings and Merrill's direction the award-winning six acre Park, which is the lush centerpiece of the community, has been designed by James Burnett and Associates, an internationally-renowned landscape architectural firm with offices in Houston and Los Angeles. Site Design Group of Chicago was hired to work with Burnett to implement the design of the park, as well as other landscape design features of the community."

Here are other examples of Lakeshore East's impressive architectural lineup:

■ Aqua. The 80-story Aqua is Chicago’s first highrise
specifically created to comprise elegant condominiums,
luxury rentals, hotel suites and retail spaces.
Revolutionary in both design and function, Aqua has
been described by architectural critics as “dazzling” and
“possibly Chicago’s most sensuous skyscraper” and “a
new kind of skyscraper that heralds a new kind of
Chicago architecture, one of the most striking buildings
in the city.”

■ The Lancaster. The Lancaster, the completed,
award-winning luxury condominium tower designed by
Loewenberg Architects utilizes a glass curtain wall and
features an adjacent stairwell structure for the building
that incorporates both a health club and unique glass
elevator, as well as a walkway for the structure.

■ Parkhomes. The Steinberg Group, based in San
Jose, Ca., is the designer of a remarkable cluster of
attached single- family Parkhomes to be built in the
southeast quadrant of the site facing the park. The
award-winning firm is utilizing a combination of materials
including brick, stone, wrought iron and copper
highlights that Loewenberg says will be an innovative
concept for Chicago. Parkhome designs include rooftop
terraces, two-story living rooms, country kitchens and
one-of-a-kind entries among their features and provide
a unique opportunity for single-family living with park
and select lake views in downtown Chicago.

■ 340 on the Park. Chicago's Solomon Cordwell and
Buenz is the architect who designed the luxurious 340
On the Park condominium building being developed in
partnership with LR Development at the southwest corner of the site between the Blue Cross/Blue Shield headquarters
building and Buckingham condominiums.
Martin Wolf leads the design team. Preliminary
designs for the 61-story structure feature a unique
curved glass curtain wall system. Carlins calls it a
world-class structure and "a prize building that will be
heralded in Chicago."

■ The Regatta. The Regatta, the community’s second
completed condominium tower bordering Wacker
Drive at the north end of the community and encompassing
views of the river, Lake Michigan, the park and
Chicago's downtown skyline, was designed by James
DeStefano and Associates.

■ The Shoreham. Loewenberg Architects has generated
the design for The Shoreham, the community's
first rental building with some 550 residences. The final
design incorporates a variety of materials and elements
including floor-to-ceiling windows and a glass top, notes
Loewenberg. The Loewenberg team also designed The
Tides, the community’s second luxury rental tower now
under construction. The 51-story structure will include
608 residences ranging from studios to two-bedroom
designs in an array of 30 floor plans.


Lakeshore East will be a blend of 17 residential and
commercial structures that Loewenberg describes as "a
unique and exciting real estate development opportunity
unrivaled in the United States, if not the world.
Lakeshore East is a preview of the future, a neighborhood
where people can live, work, shop, eat and
pursue whatever interests them without having to get
into a car. The plan allows for the construction of up to
4,950 residences, its magnificent 6-acre public park, 2.2
million gross square feet of commercial space, 1,500
hotel rooms, 770,000 square feet of retail space and the
proposed charter elementary school.


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So they're saying that one or two firms won't dominate - does that mean no more Loewenberg trash in LSE? Let's hope so.

They had a nice small rendering of Aqua though
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9166/aquasmfx1.jpg

"A diverse community built by an all-star cast of architects"

^ :hilarious

it looks like it is meltin

Here are other examples of Lakeshore East's impressive architectural lineup:■ The Lancaster...■ The Regatta...■ The Shoreham...

They are impressive???? :ohno:

I was in Lakeshore East Park last night and saw that Magellan erected a sign for the Park homes. They look really impressive and will finish off the South East side of the park covering the empty space along Harbor and the Ugly parking garage of ODE. While the Back side of the Regatta looked bland the Lancaster, Shoreham and 340 looked good. I'm not an architect but it looks like they are trying to make the area unique. After Aqua and Tides, the only areas left around the perimeter of the park are West of the Tides and North of BCBS. Does anyone know what they are projecting for those areas?

I am inside the Lakeshore East development and with their sales and marketing force as well as general love and ability to create supertall within their own city approved Planning Department, there will be a total of four 80+ story buildings within the LakeShore East Park along the river and Columbus, and a few that are 70 or more. The PD that has been set and approved by the city has been pushed far beyond the building heights set-with unanimous city approval.

Expect a very serious project to appear at the culdesac end of Wacker Drive after the Aqua is sold, and a very prestigious starchitect firm backing it. and imagine the building MOMO on stilts and steroids.

But still an 80 or 90 story building at 825-950' is nothing compared to the Fordham Spire, but then again unlike the Spire these building will much more easily get built and still generate profits. The saving grace behind Aqua is the ultra-efficient and economic minimalist structure behind the skin. It can be built quickly, beautifully, and have a positive effect skyline effect.

These days in America, it is the insight of the economists that make big things possible.

I take comfort that Loewenberg wouldn't be doing any further drawing for the next high-rise. :scouserd:

Er... The cul-de-sac end of wacker is simply the end of the upper deck, whereas the lower deck continues beyond. Are they saying that the building will be built over Wacker's lower deck? Or will the building be to the south of wacker, but front onto the cul-de-sac?

BTW, am I the only one who thinks that Upper Wacker should be extended out to LSD?

Originally Posted by archytype @ SSP
I am inside the Lakeshore East development and with their sales and marketing force as well as general love and ability to create supertall within their own city approved Planning Department, there will be a total of four 80+ story buildings within the LakeShore East Park along the river and Columbus, and a few that are 70 or more. The PD that has been set and approved by the city has been pushed far beyond the building heights set-with unanimous city approval.

Expect a very serious project to appear at the culdesac end of Wacker Drive after the Aqua is sold, and a very prestigious starchitect firm backing it. and imagine the building MOMO on stilts and steroids.

But still an 80 or 90 story building at 825-950' is nothing compared to the Fordham Spire, but then again unlike the Spire these building will much more easily get built and still generate profits. The saving grace behind Aqua is the ultra-efficient and economic minimalist structure behind the skin. It can be built quickly, beautifully, and have a positive effect skyline effect.

These days in America, it is the insight of the economists that make big things possible.

Woah, woah, woah....can anyone comment on this or is this pure bullshit???

Woah woah woah... can everyone stop using the C-word??????? I live in Chicago, I shouldn't have to listen to people talking about cul-de-sacs! (I can't believe I even just typed that!)

One of the greatest drawbacks of LSE is its inaccessibility to the street grid. Are there any plans to integrate LSE into the grid?

^I doubt it.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1291/parkhomesyf0.jpg
The Parkhomes will help a lot I think.

Has anyone ever heard of plans to put townhomes or other kinds or residential on the river side of Wacker Dr. across from LSE? Or is that footprint entirely too small?

Seriously, Spyguy--do you have a magic hat?

Where the f#$k do you find this shit? All I know is this--I'm glad you're on our side.

Oh, and the parkhomes are going to make a WORLD of difference. While I'd prefer a more progressive design, it's still gonna look great

Retail info:

Aqua:

The building also will include more than 36,000 square feet of first and second floor retail that will connect to the underground pedway system.

MAGELLAN DEVELOPMENT ANNOUNCES 3 RETAIL LEASES FOR THE SHOREHAM AT LAKESHORE EAST

A trio of leases for a bank, an Italian-style coffee bar and the design center for Lakeshore East has been completed for the lobby level of The Shoreham, the 48-story luxury apartment tower in the mixed-use neighborhood under development on the Near East Side.

Fifth Third Bank has leased 4,918 square feet at the west end of the building’s lobby level retail space that will provide standard Fifth Third Bank retail banking services as well as an internal ATM machine and a drive-through lane and window. The facility is expected to be open for business in October.

Fifth Third Bank was represented by Dan Tausk of MidAmerica Real Estate Group. Rob Rowe of Sierra Realty Advisors represented ownership.

A Caffé RoM (pronounced Rome) coffee shop will occupy approximately 1,700 square feet and provide a variety of coffees and pastries and lunches that include freshly made salads, gourmet sandwiches and Italian-style Panini. Mid-afternoon choices include specialty coffee drinks, imported Gelato and fine chocolates. Proprietor Joe DiCarlo, who also owns and operates five popular Caffé Baci restaurants downtown and another Caffé RoM in the Prudential Building, says it “will have the authentic atmosphere of an Italian coffee house.” He aims to open by November or December.

Lakeshore East developer Magellan Development Group has leased an additional 1,700 square feet at The Shoreham to relocate its comprehensive design center and Magellan Realty operation from 710 N. State Street.

Magellan Design Coordinator Lee Okamoto noted that “our current and future buyers will find this on-site location far more convenient for the selection of design finishes and upgrades.”

The trio of retail leases come on the heels of an earlier announcement that Treasure Island will anchor the community’s future 90,000-square-foot Village Market Center with a 28,000-square-foot full service grocery store. Brian Gordon, Magellan vice president of development, reports that additional leases for the Village Market Center are currently under discussion.

“We’re very pleased to be moving forward with our planned variety of shops and services for the convenience of Lakeshore East residents and our neighbors as well,” said Magellan President David Carlins.

^This is probably better suited to the separate Aqua thread.

September 14, 2006

The Chandler
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3082/p1010116lx0.jpg

The Tides
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1158/p1010140ns5.jpg

Lakeshore East Development
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5551/p1010128tn9.jpg

September 19, 2006

The Tides
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9977/p9190171yp3.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3415/p9190170xq4.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5070/p9190164br3.jpg

Lakeshore East has completely revamped its website, if anyone hasn't noticed. It looks nice.

I was hoping to get more pics of developments, but there's nothing new. You get a better look at the design of the parkhomes, though. They've been "coming soon" for 2 years now

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0610010351oct01,1,7954865.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Urban center attracts high-income couples

By Noreen S. Ahmed-Ullah
Tribune staff reporter
Published October 1, 2006

Evening had come to an oddly pastoral little piece of Chicago's downtown. Kids ran through sprinklers, dogs bounded around a dog park and office workers strolled home.

Around them loomed condo towers, partially built high-rises and bright yellow construction cranes. Beyond that, largely unseen and seemingly unrelated, was the crush of Loop traffic, the horns, buses and crowded sidewalks.

Just a few years earlier, none of it was there.

With little fanfare, one of the largest downtown residential developments in the nation has begun to rise between the Loop and the lake--a new Chicago neighborhood created from what was essentially a blank slate, a pitch-and-putt golf course and old railyards. Officials estimate that by the time the complex is completed, 15,000 people will ultimately move into the 28-acre parcel known as Lakeshore East.

Bounded by the Chicago River on the north, Lake Shore Drive on the east, and a network of elevated streets to the west and south, Lakeshore East is near the heart of the city. Yet both by geography and by choice, the development is isolated.

And with a total of 16 high-rises and 90 townhouses scheduled for completion over the next nine years, the one-of-a-kind project is raising questions about how the central city is being remade and who will live there.

Urban planners find parts of Lakeshore East they admire, but some believe the city could have done a better job including mixed-income housing and adding more commercial space.

"It's a lost opportunity," said Brent Ryan, assistant professor of urban planning at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "It just goes to show that there's still a lot to learn about creating new neighborhoods that have the diversity of older neighborhoods.

"You go there and feel it's oddly quiet and sterile," Ryan said. "And it's not only because it's not done. It doesn't have the actual vibrancy you'd find in a real urban neighborhood. It's like a suburban community, where you feel safe because you're with people like you."

Peter Skosey, vice president of external relations at the non-profit Metropolitan Planning Council, disagreed. Unlike in suburbs, the buildings at Lakeshore East will look different from one another and will be appropriate to a city, he said.

In addition, he said, it's difficult to have affordable housing on prime downtown property fronting the lake.

Some residents living just to the south, in high-rises lining Randolph Street, were apprehensive about the extreme makeover taking place in their back yard. But over time they have grown to like parts of the complex, such as the six-acre park at its center.

For others, the development seemed inevitable.

"We'd go to meetings and people would complain, and we'd think What did you expect? It's a big chunk of land on the lakefront, in downtown," said Walt Garrett, who has lived with his wife in the area for 14 years. "We knew it would happen. We're just happy with the way it's turned out."

About 10,000 people live in an area bounded by Michigan Avenue, the lake, Grant Park and the Chicago River, according to the New East Side Association of Residents.

Two years ago, one condo building opened in the Lakeshore East development. An apartment building was completed last year. And a 325-unit condominium building was completed in August.

Residents of the development say they feel like a new breed of urban pioneers, navigating their way through triple-deck streets and pedways. They scout for places to shop for groceries and visit neighboring Streeterville's trendy restaurants and bars.

They have also tried to establish a sense of community in their fledgling new neighborhood, throwing a Cinco de Mayo party, a Cultural Expo, bringing in officials from major cultural institutions, and having summer-long yoga in the park.

Construction is under way or soon to begin on new buildings, including the 80-story Aqua, considered the architectural gem of the development, with undulating balconies that mimic rippling waves. Three other buildings will soon be ready for occupants.

Plans are also under way for grocery and hardware stores, shops, restaurants and a bank.

"Granted, we're the pioneers, but we'll have shopping soon," said Lexis Livengood, whose enthusiasm for the development has led her to buy a second condo in a building under construction.

In June, Mayor Richard Daley included money for an elementary school for the development as part of his $1 billion new schools plan, hoping to attract more families with children.

The development follows other large-scale downtown build-outs such as Dearborn Park and the Central Station development in the South Loop.

Those, too, were built on abandoned railroad yards and reflect a phenomenon going on across the country--the return of the middle and upper middle class to central city neighborhoods. As the movement has progressed, so has the density of developments to accommodate the market, Ryan said.

While Lakeshore East is not the largest residential development downtown in terms of the area it covers, it has the most units. In all, 4,950 units, 1,500 hotel rooms and some office space are proposed.

The parcel was not always slated for condos. At one point, it was meant to be an office complex, part of the Illinois Center development. But with the recession of the 1980s, the land sat vacant, then was converted into a golf course and finally sold to the current developers.

With the residential market booming, Magellan Development Group decided to build condos. The developer decided not to extend the current street level east toward the lake. Instead, the firm chose the lowest level as its ground, creating a sunken space, hidden from most of downtown.

A park was proposed for the center of the development to tie together the buildings--designed by five architects--and create a neighborhood.

The park was built first so residents wouldn't feel they were in a construction zone, said Joel Carlins, co-chairman of Magellan. It not only has playground flooring made from recycled plastics, but also offers free wireless Internet connections. The complex caters to a high-end clientele, with prices averaging $675,000 and up. Town houses and penthouses in the Aqua are inching closer to $2.5 million.

Joe Aceto, 53, and his wife, Beatrice, 41, moved here seven months ago from northwest suburban Bartlett.

At night, he sits on his balcony and listens to the water dancing in the fountain below. It is quiet, tranquil.

"I've lived in small towns in Wisconsin," Aceto said. "I thought I'd feel trapped in a high-rise, that it would be noisy in the city."

Instead, he found the suburbs tucked away in downtown Chicago.

Right now, dozens of children from the area are bused to Ogden School on the Near North Side.

Other children attend private schools in nearby neighborhoods. The proposed school, possibly a charter school, will offer classes from kindergarten to 8th grade. It is scheduled to open in two years.

As the development progresses, traffic will also become an issue. Already, it led many residents earlier this year to oppose the Chicago Children's Museum's efforts to move to the north end of Grant Park, off Randolph Street.

Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd) wants to remove the auto pound from the lowest level of Wacker Drive, which opens onto the development, and add a ramp to the middle level, thus providing easy access to Lake Shore Drive.

For now, many residents like the Acetos have learned to give up their cars and walk everywhere. They walk to work in the Loop, to nearby grocery stores, to shopping on Michigan Avenue.

Aceto learned another lesson in urban pioneering as well--living with less space.

"I learned I really didn't need as much space as I thought I did," he said.

October 13, 2006

The Tides
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October 17, 2006

The Chandler
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Woohoo!!! Another forgettable tower begins to receive it's forgettable facade in LSE! Party the fuck on.

^ Dude, not everything can be an architectural showcase to the world. Great skylines always have tons of "filler" buildings, as I like to call them

Woohoo!!! Another forgettable tower begins to receive it's forgettable facade in LSE! Party the fuck on. Historically great residential architecture has served great private wealth, while architecturally significant residential towers are quite pricey, The asking price at both the Trump's Tower and 400 North are record breaking. Great public buildings whose architecture often represent a kind of public majesty are handsomely funded by taxpayers. LakeshoreEast is a residential development of more modest ambition yet embracing some considerable non-building amenities, such as their fine, public park with free wi-fi access. It's probably reasonable to assume that when the development is completed, many other delightful features in and around its towers and town homes will be in place making for a homey, communal feeling. If memory serves, this project was conceived before Millenium Park, and so the location had its risk as well.

I don't need the lesson on quality or filler; I already understand it and have voiced my acceptance of filler towers on many other threads in this forum. There was just nothing else to say about the Chandler - and... for the record - good architecture DOESN'T have to cost a lot of money (see Contemporaine).

Well hopefully those rumored 70-80+ story buildings will cover up all the crap that's been polluting LSE lately. The only reason I get upset with Chandler and Regatta is because they face the river.

^^Same reason they get me mad. At least the shoreham and tides should be covered up from the river view. Those two have no reason to be in this city at all.

I don't need the lesson on quality or filler; I already understand it and have voiced my acceptance of filler towers on many other threads in this forum. There was just nothing else to say about the Chandler - and... for the record - good architecture DOESN'T have to cost a lot of money (see Contemporaine).

Points all well taken. Clearly good architecture doesn't have to cost much, the trick seems to be in getting the good artist and the right patron together.

Yeah, but the rest of the architecture on the Main Branch isn't perfect either (or the South Branch for that matter). Buildings like Unitrin, the Westin, the Hyatt-Regency and the apartments that surround it are pretty bad by current standards of architecture (speaking as an observer, of course, not an architect).

I won't comment on IBM, Equitable, and Illinois Center since I happen to like pure Miesian International style, whereas some do not.

The fact is, filler buildings are a fact of life in a city, even in the most beautiful street (or river) scape. I'm just glad that there's enough variation between LSE's river-facing buildings to avoid monotony.

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Anyone know what kind of progress is being made in the red shaded region? Emporis shows proposed buildings there but I'm not sure what the timeframe is for completion is for any of them. I definitely hope they won't all be Chandler-like filler buildings...

Construction workers hard at work!:bow:
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The finishers, laborers, and iron workers resting before the concrete starts
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The finished 13th floor deck.
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Column and beam puddling with high strength concrete with the crane. They placed with the pump and the crane at the same time.
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Thanks for the shot guys!:)
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From today. Go Chandler Go. You ugly son of a bitch.

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^Seeing photos like that makes me wonder how awesome Regatta and Chandler would've looked like had they not cheapend out. Hopefully some new talls will obscure most of the garbage that has polluted LSE.

^^
I think making them all glass would have done the trick

Another Parkhomes "rendering" from the LSE website. Hopefully the facades will vary as depicted here, as opposed to the banal wide-angle rendering spyguy posted...

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^^very attractive.

I like the diversity of the facades if that is indeed how they come up. Much better looking then the one fits all concept designs going on too much in master plans these days.

I keep forgetting that LSE will have a low-rise residential component. Hopefully, that and Aqua will add some much needed character to an area dominated by banal architectural monoculture.

I keep forgetting that LSE will have a low-rise residential component.

They're just liner townhouses, that give a graceful way to hide the parking garages built up to the old Upper Randolph and Upper Wacker levels. I think it's a graceful way to make the transition between those towers and the ground-level park. But I doubt there's more than 30 of them all told.

It's a technique also used rather successfully at Central Station.

Sadly, you know we're in deep shit when architects resort to old pen-and-ink rendering techniques to show off a building. It's usually pretty indicative of the architecture it portrays. When, oh when, will we let go of the past and take some goddamn risks!?!?! If you can't have some very contemporary townhomes at the base of towers like 340, the Lancaster and Aqua, then where can you have them?

If you can't have some very contemporary townhomes at the base of towers like 340, the Lancaster and Aqua, then where can you have them?

:applause: Hear, hear! Though these seem to be pretty nicely designed, your average Bucktown side street has more verve and snap. It seems unfair to Ernie Wong's beautiful contemporary park design to line it with pretend Edwardian townhouses.

If you can't have some very contemporary townhomes at the base of towers like 340, the Lancaster and Aqua, then where can you have them?

BVictor got this image a while ago, I'm assuming it's still a part of the plan:

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=456686

January 26, 2007

The Tides
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February 22, 2007 - The Tides

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^ The Tides on the left, Trump Tower in the middle.

Damn Retro, you're like a paparazzi that takes pics of buildings!! Fantastic work.

Damn Retro, you're like a paparazzi that takes pics of buildings!! Fantastic work.
Thanks Chi649. New camera. I bought it last month and I'm putting it to good use.

May I ask what camera you are using?

May I ask what camera you are using?
Nikon D80.

from 3-4

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Little boxes on the hill side, little boxes made of ticky-tacky.
Little boxes, little boxes, little boxes all the same.
There’s a green one and a pink one and a blue one and a yellow one,
And they’re all made out of ticky-tacky, .

:nuts:

The Tides. 3/8/07

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The Chandler. 3/8/07

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The Regatta. 3/8/07. I hate her so.

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Yeah, this building is terrible.

FYI - Spyguy's post on the first page of this thread has been made completely up-to-date.

Yeah, this building is terrible.

As is the entire development except 340. Cant judge Aqua yet. Where is the $2 billion dollar price tag going in this project? Cause it sure as hell isnt going into design and quality materials. Maybe "Aqua 2" and the rumored Arquitectonica tower will begin to help this project.

From 3-11

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As is the entire development except 340. Cant judge Aqua yet. Where is the $2 billion dollar price tag going in this project? Cause it sure as hell isnt going into design and quality materials. Maybe "Aqua 2" and the rumored Arquitectonica tower will begin to help this project.

i agree. most of the designs are bland.

my biggest beef though, is how dull the area feels. i know its still u/c but i have a feeling that the whole lake shore east community will feel very suburban when it is completed.

i agree. most of the designs are bland.

my biggest beef though, is how dull the area feels. i know its still u/c but i have a feeling that the whole lake shore east community will feel very suburban when it is completed.

If by suburban you mean sterile I completely agree. Maybe in 20 years LSE will more exciting... we'll see.

If by suburban you mean sterile I completely agree. Maybe in 20 years LSE will more exciting... we'll see.

yeah, it just seems so isolated from the rest of the city. i cant imagine there will be much pedestrian traffic in the neighborhood b/c the streets dont lead anywhere.

well jeez...noboday has even moved in yet to most of these buildings..give it some time to become a neighborhood. Also does anyone know is the regatta being painted white on the exposed concreates areas? I think its looking somehwhat better white than that tannish color.

Nope, Regatta's NOT being painted. The horrid yellow brick you see is the horrid yellow brick you get.

The Tides, from the weekend:

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Banality persists. The crown of the now-topped Chandler. Lousy name. Lousy tower.

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I hope I'm not alone, but I actually don't mind The Regatta. I love the big curve of blue glass at the top. Good or bad...it is quite interesting.

Apart from Harbor Point and 340 on the Park, there isn't much great architecture out there.

As far as the neighborhood is concerned, hopefully along with more residents will come more variation and choice.

It won't happen overnight, however.

I hope I'm not alone, but I actually don't mind The Regatta. I love the big curve of blue glass at the top. Good or bad...it is quite interesting.

Apart from Harbor Point and 340 on the Park, there isn't much great architecture out there.

As far as the neiborhood is concerned, hopefully along with more residents will come more variation and choice.

It won't happen overnight, however.

I find it to be the worst offender. Had they carried the shape of the top 1/3 to the ground level, it wouldnt be so damned wrong. But when you have someone that oversees the project thats so incredibly cheap and has no vision at all, Lakeshore East (as of now) is what you get. Its a glassy version of what happened to River North. Ugh.

Great. Now Im getting nervous about Aqua and the future big towers of this project. If theyre just going to be larger versions of what we have, I'd rather not see anything at all. Can you tell that I hate this project?

EDIT: Oh shit, Im just now seeing the base to the Regatta. Is my hatred toward Low-end-berg just? Or am I hating the wrong guy? Who is responsible for this?

Umm... I would say it's pretty justified. The guy didn't earn that nickname by accident.

OK maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually like the lakeshore east development. I think there are some beautiful buildings (e.g. 340 & Aqua) some pretty nice buildings (e.g. Lancaster & Chandler) & some bland filler buildings (e.g. Shoreham, Tides).

So far there is one design that I think just went wrong & that is the Regatta, it just doesn't work to me. I agree w/ ChgoLvr83. Its almost like they had a great design (the curved wedge) then they calculated the cost & tried to tweak it, but they would have been better off putting something more like Lancaster or Chandler there (in my opinion nothing cutting edge, but still aesthetically pleasing).

It seems like what the developer is attempting to do is have a project where the buildings in the best locations are really something special & everything else just fills in the space. I don't have a real problem with this. I really want to see what is coming in between Tides & Shoreham, then what will be just east of Chandler. I think these two buildings along with 340 & Aqua should be the really special buildings in the development & everything else will just be background noise. Look & the buildings that are currently in the area, buckingham, 175 Harbor & Parkshore. I think everything in LSE is an improvement over those.

Does anyone have any info on the N. Field Blvd. building?

Finally on the lack of life in the community. I think this wll change once the community retail center opens. There will be restaurants, stores, etc. In addition once Aqua is complete the area will be linked to the activity to the west (which will be increasing with the Mandarin & Park Millenium). It is also an easy walk across the river to river north. I think in 1-2 years this will be a lively area, but I agree over the next 12-18 months it will still be rather sterile & lifeless (which is one of the things current residents like about the area (a quiet corner of the city), but it certainly isn't for everyone).

I swear practically all of lakeshore east could easily be transported to Miami and they wouldn't even blink. I dunno if Lowenburg got his ideas from there or what, but whenever I pass by on LSD I get reminded of that city and their new buildings. I guess if you like this modern glassy beach resort style, (with even the swirl on top ie. regatta), its cool. To me even 340 OTP is pretty similar, its just a little taller. Aqua will be the one building that is way above par for this development.

To tell the truth though, I dont mind these buildings so much either. Sure its suburbia-in-a-city, complete with the nice park and cutoff from everywhere, but at least its vertical. Its better than a golf course anyways.

Agreed, much better than a golf course! I think 340 feels more agressive than anything in Miami. Something about the sharp angles gives it more of a Chicago feel. I also love the fact that it looks like a different building from every angle!

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Please don't take these observations as ones of approval of Lakeshore East, they're just observations, nothing more. I'm really opposed to the mix of glass and brick exteriors; the only thing about their proliferation in this development is the possibility that they will be masked by future structures built along side these brick facades; there's much yet to be built out in there. The name Chandler is of the same nautical theme as the Aqua, Tides, etc.; a chandler outfits sailing ships after long voyages. Here's my gripe: the first renderings of this huge project were from SOM, and while it had a sort of Rockefeller look, still it had some excitement about it. Nothing today even reminds of that initial image. What became of SOM's design? Did they butt out and leave it to Lowenberg? ??

I believe that one of the earlier buildings (Lancaster?) was not built by Lowenburg, maybe it was SOM... IMO thats the best one, although the Tides isn't too bad...

Ok, just checked Emporis; the Lancaster was a joint venture with SOM and Lowenburg, and afterwards, it was left to Lowenburg.

Here's my gripe: the first renderings of this huge project were from SOM, and while it had a sort of Rockefeller look, still it had some excitement about it. Nothing today even reminds of that initial image. What became of SOM's design? Did they butt out and leave it to Lowenberg? ??

The renderings by SOM were for a mixed-use development. The developers of LSE have apparently decided to go all residential, so they ditched the Battery Park City feel and went with a Miami feel instead.

Although I REALLY wish they had kept this mixed use, to keep people on the streets at all times of the day, I understand that that's just not realistic with today's office market. Too bad - employment centers might have justified a transit line to serve LSE/Streeterville. I know eventually we'll get a subway on Fairbanks of some kind, even if it is just an underground busway.

Hopefully the Arquitectonica proposal, or one of the two buildings flanking it, will include an office component. (This area lies between Swissotel and the Regatta along Wacker).

Sure its suburbia-in-a-city, complete with the nice park and cutoff from everywhere, but at least its vertical. Its better than a golf course anyways.

^ That's an overused phrase (suburb-in-city).

I don't see it here. LSE's circular drive isn't really a cul-de-sac (it connects both to Randolph and Lower Wacker, if I"m correct). It has a gillion zillion godzillion times more density than any suburb anywhere, and will have mixed uses (residential/school/retail/some office space). It may not have much office space, but then it sits next door to Illinois Center anyhow.

What are we calling suburban about this thing?

Oh, and I think we can all agree that it is light years of an improvement over that golf course

^I guess the sterile factor (like urban addict mentioned). Maybe its just so immaculate, rich, and nice, and has no gritty city feel to it.

Its too early to judge of course, we'll have to see how it pans out with actual residents, businesses and the school, which will take time. But its definitely not your typical urban neighborhood, so its natural to associate it with the suburbs. Its probably a new breed though altogether.

I believe the school component has been terminated, making this project exclusively residential/retail. It's a shame, too. This will only further restrict the market for downtown condos, discouraging families.

I believe the school component has been terminated, making this project exclusively residential/retail. It's a shame, too. This will only further restrict the market for downtown condos, discouraging families.
Where's the mayor on this one? Especially if the school was a gift to the city from the developer?

Are you sure about this? I would think that a host of people will be totally pissed if true, and it slightly jeopardizes their future sales success.

To be completely honest it's just something I read somewhere, either here or @ SSP. What level was the planned school, and where is it located?

There are a ton of comparisons you can make between this and Battery Park City, aren't there?

I believe the school component has been terminated, making this project exclusively residential/retail. It's a shame, too. This will only further restrict the market for downtown condos, discouraging families.

^ Eh?

A convenient, nearby school, especially an elementary school, would be a big incentive for parents with small children to live in the development. These parents, understandably, would not send their children alone across the Loop to school, and many would not have time to walk with them.

There are other kinds of home buyers besides wealthy single men and women, and I welcome any attempt to tap into those markets in the city, especially right downtown. If we do this, then we can perhaps create even larger pools of demand for downtown residences.

To be completely honest it's just something I read somewhere, either here or @ SSP. What level was the planned school, and where is it located?
What I read elsewhere and some time ago was a relocation of the school within the complex that set it farther back from the park. I also read that a few yellow school busses arrive daily to take children from the complex to the Ogden Elementary and other nearby schools. Could it actually be cancelled and escape media attention?

When I went to the sales center last summer, they told us the school would be just off the NE corner of the park, shoved between the buildings. Looking at the space, I can't imagine a BIG school there, but there's certainly space for something. At the moment, it's just flat grass, buried between multiple buildings.

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I heard that, too. If I can remember, the school is supposed to go in the corner between the Lancaster and the Shoreham. I've never heard anything about the cancelling of the elementary school plans. Of course, if you were trying to market condos, I'd hardly be offering up that tidbit of information.

I've noticed for the last week or so the Chandler crews have been working hard to clear the debris from the land to the south that they were using for storage.

Is that the location of the next LSE building going up (aside from Aqua, of course)?

Also, as for the school -- there was a public meeting about it just a couple of weeks ago and during the election I remember seeing some literature stating that the school was required by the city in order for LSE to get approval. Of course, things change, but that's the last I heard on the topic.

I found this in a Christmas-present book that I just cracked a few days ago.

Behold, the art-deco glory of Lakeshore East as designed by Holabird & Roche.

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This would have been built if the stock market had not crashed in 1929. Since this is just a plan and not a detailed architectural rendering, the buildings fronting the park probably would not have been quite so monotonous, but the sheer amount of great, limestone and brick 1920s architecture is mind-boggling.

From the looks of it, this would also have contained Chicago's tallest, a structure a bit smaller than the Empire State Building.

I wish that plan would've gone forward. I'd much rather see Manhattanization in LSE than the loose, incoherent group of below-average buildings that presently occupies the site.

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I found this in a Christmas-present book that I just cracked a few days ago.

Behold, the art-deco glory of Lakeshore East as designed by Holabird & Roche.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7770/holabirdlselu8.jpg

This would have been built if the stock market had not crashed in 1929. Since this is just a plan and not a detailed architectural rendering, the buildings fronting the park probably would not have been quite so monotonous, but the sheer amount of great, limestone and brick 1920s architecture is mind-boggling.

From the looks of it, this would also have contained Chicago's tallest, a structure a bit smaller than the Empire State Building.


without the crash, would there still have been enough need for that type of density at that location? or actually, anywhere downtown? seems like it would have remained far more a plan than a reality either way.

Ed, there would have been a tremendous demand at the time. Chicago was growing fast, but the concept of a suburban office park did not even exist (except in the mind of Le Corbusier). Don't forget, Chicago had enough demand in this time period to line N. Michigan Avenue with Beaux-Arts and Deco buildings, and that was just the residential side.

Also, there was a lot more speculative construction in cities. The Empire State Building, built in 1931, remained mostly empty for years and didn't make money until 1950.

From what I understand, it was actually encouraged by the Illinois Central Railroad. By this time, shipping traffic on Lake Michigan was slowing for good as it got replaced with rail and truck traffic, and the IC realized this as their profits started to fall. So they commissioned Holabird & Root to plan an extension of the business district onto their terminal property. This was in 1927. Two years later, the market crashed, and there weren't too many banks willing to finance construction.

Why Chicago didn't try to get WPA funding for this, we'll never know.

Ed, there would have been a tremendous demand at the time. Chicago was growing fast, but the concept of a suburban office park did not even exist (except in the mind of Le Corbusier). .

ardecila, i'm sure the demand was there. but the availability of that slice of land east of Michigan Ave and south of the river wouldn't have warranted more construction than what we already had. Whatever would have gone up on the IC air rights must have ended up at another Loop location, right?

the only thing that the LSE site did was add developable land that was no across either the main or south branch.

For those of you keeping track, they started dismantling the crane attached to The Chandler yesterday (Sunday, April 1).

Coincidentally, on the same day a giant new crane was delivered to Block 37.

I wonder if the stock market had not crashed and they did build many or all of thoes buildings as shown in the model. By now perhaps many of the building would have been demolished to may way for bigger and better projects. Who knows if that project had been existant the AON Building my not be where it sits today it may be located some where else in the city or sad to say non-existant. Things happen for a reason as they say.

April 5, 2007

The Tides
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Only 16 floors left on the Tides...

Anybody have any idea when these may get started? Will they be a tough sell? I think they are expensive but because there are only a few in a quite unique location, they will likely be sucessful. I can see new highrise residents in LSE actually moving there..citing that highrise living wasn't as fabulous as they imagined.

In any event, I'd love to see them done so that the park will look more complete. Not to mention, the Parkhomes will cover up several of those blank concrete walls on the newer buildings.

Parkhomes should be breaking ground by the end of the month & be completed by next summer. Only about 4 parkhomes left. They sold very well.

Parkhomes should be breaking ground by the end of the month & be completed by next summer. Only about 4 parkhomes left. They sold very well.

Thanks for the excellent news. Once the Parkhomes are in place, along with the market, the neighborhood may actually start to feel like one.

I think the luckiest people in LSE are the residents of the original towers(Outer East Drive, Harbor Point) that will now be able to take advantage of the brand new neighborhood and all the increased amenities. Think how fortunate the owners of the less desirable "city view" condos are now since they have a nice view of a gorgeous new park.

I'm curious as to why these townhomes sold so much better than the at-grade equivalents in River East. There are still a few of those remaining years after the fact, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm curious as to why these townhomes sold so much better than the at-grade equivalents in River East. There are still a few of those remaining years after the fact, if I'm not mistaken.

I think, along with the new LSE park, basically LSE is more accessible to DT and closer to Millenium Park.

I think, along with the new LSE park, basically LSE is more accessible to DT and closer to Millenium Park.

it's f-ing south of the river! that alone should count for something!