^^^^^^^^

Î agree, this is not slum, just ugly buildings.

Yeah, I thought you had to be rich to live in Hong Kong.

more pictures of Slums , please i find this thread interesting , have anyone here more pics of sao paqulo ? Please post !

I took this in Sao Paulo, close to USP...
http://www.socio.ch/maro/images/favela.jpg

But I really LOVE these victorian London slums, not that I wanted to live there, but they are really romantic - even if it sounds a bit strange. Charles Dickens is watching you :)

But I really LOVE these victorian London slums, not that I wanted to live there, but they are really romantic - even if it sounds a bit strange. Charles Dickens is watching you :)
If you're interested in that sort of thing, this here is an excellent site on London during Victorian times - they're soon to put the whole site contents into a book as well:
http://www.victorianlondon.org/

And here's a site with pics of children of the London slums:
http://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/photographs/streets.html
^
A sample from that site:
http://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/images/streets/p000XX47.jpg

If you seen The Beach with leonardo they only stayed in kao san road when they were in Bangkok (one of Bangkoks ugliest street) which made the look of Bangkok so poor and unmodern but in real its a very modern city.

No its not! The vast majority of Bangkok would be regarded as a slum by western standards. Even the very nice areas have a boom gate with a guard and its straight into slums with people just sitting about, dirt and stray dogs.

Fly over Bangkok and its virtually all low rise, old, dirty buildings. Where there might be a new shopping centre, it will be surrounded by hundreds of dirty old buildings. There certainly are a few nice, fully developed areas, but they are not the majority.

Even if Thailands economy can continue growing at the rate it achieved in much of the 90s, Bangkok is so huge that it will take decades to develop the whole place. However, as with Istanbul, I would say that Bangkok's poor areas feel a lot safer than in most other developing or developed countries.

No its not! The vast majority of Bangkok would be regarded as a slum by western standards. Even the very nice areas have a boom gate with a guard and its straight into slums with people just sitting about, dirt and stray dogs.

Fly over Bangkok and its virtually all low rise, old, dirty buildings. Where there might be a new shopping centre, it will be surrounded by hundreds of dirty old buildings. There certainly are a few nice, fully developed areas, but they are not the majority.

Even if Thailands economy can continue growing at the rate it achieved in much of the 90s, Bangkok is so huge that it will take decades to develop the whole place. However, as with Istanbul, I would say that Bangkok's poor areas feel a lot safer than in most other developing or developed countries.
I do not agree with you clive330. I have been to Bangkok and many areas of the city look as 1st world as any city in the US or Europe...even better. Yes there are some slums in the city but by your comment it appears like you really haven't seen Bangkok, not even on pics. btw, I think you should be more careful when you talk about a place, even if you do not like it. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think you comments are rude and provocative.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, this here is an excellent site on London during Victorian times - they're soon to put the whole site contents into a book as well:
http://www.victorianlondon.org/

And here's a site with pics of children of the London slums:
http://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/photographs/streets.html
^
A sample from that site:
http://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/images/streets/p000XX47.jpg

Thanks a lot, I will surf around today a bit in these sites! I have a book with these old pictures and some discriptions of the llife conditions and diseases spread over....

Although Singapore does not have any true slums, there are a few rural villages left.

Hey I found some more old London ones . . .

http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/upload/img_400/H2399.jpg
Slum housing at Snowfields, Bermondsey.

http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/upload/img_400/H3173.jpg
Backyard of one of the lodging houses in Mill Lane Deptford.

http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/upload/img_400/H2388.jpg
This one is relatively recent, from the page on which it was found . . .
"Sherston Place in Bermondsey. By 1900, the living conditions in Bermondsey were awful. There were known examples of nine people living in one room and one tap serving 25 houses with no sanitation. Conditions remained bad well into the 20th century.
Creator: Unknown
Date: c.1920"

Then there's also a page on Liverpool:
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=nav.00100g004

I do not agree with you clive330. I have been to Bangkok and many areas of the city look as 1st world as any city in the US or Europe...even better. Yes there are some slums in the city but by your comment it appears like you really haven't seen Bangkok, not even on pics. btw, I think you should be more careful when you talk about a place, even if you do not like it. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think you comments are rude and provocative.

Isn't Bangkok going to free of slums within two or so years?

I do not agree with you clive330. I have been to Bangkok and many areas of the city look as 1st world as any city in the US or Europe...even better. Yes there are some slums in the city but by your comment it appears like you really haven't seen Bangkok, not even on pics. btw, I think you should be more careful when you talk about a place, even if you do not like it. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think you comments are rude and provocative.

I dont see how my opinion was rude or provocative. Most of what I saw in Bangkok seemed pretty "developing country" to me and I spent 2 weeks there staying with rich Thais and saw a reasonable amount of it. They lived in a boom-gated suburb, their house a mere 30m from an endless area that would be considered a "slum" by first world standards.

Thailand has a GDP/C of $1900 (1/10th of Greece) - $6000 @ PPP so I doubt that in such a large city most people could be living in anything close to first world standards.

a cool thread , i want see more pictures of slum areas especially in the BIG cities like Mexico city , manila or Sao Paulo !

ok those pics of the Bronx werent slum looking at all. i actually thought it looked nice. haha Fact is....in america...either your homeless or you live in a shitty house( if your poor). Now, theres no saying how many people live in shacks....im sure thier not living there for long.tempory .ya know. But never the less..america doesnt have slums... although south west phillly makes me think ;)

I would like to say that his has been a very interesting and informative thread :)

I'm not sure if anyone posted any pics of America during the Great Depression yet, so here it goes...

http://content.lib.washington.edu/JPLee/images/20102.jpg
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst203/images2/seattle.jpg

I believe the Great Depression was the only true era of slums in the United States.(Heh I know this because I recently studied it for history class.)

Nonetheless the economy fully recovered by WW2, so I suppose that would mean the shantytowns pretty much disappeared by then.

a cool thread , i want see more pictures of slum areas especially in the BIG cities like Mexico city , manila or Sao Paulo !

Heliopolis is the worst in Sao Paulo (the biggest is Paraisopolis with about 60k, but I don't have a pic - it's in the wealthiest neighbourhood, Morumbi)
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb07_heliopolis_sp.jpghttp://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb35_heliopolis_sp.jpg
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb17_heliopolis_sp.jpg

But the biggest in Latin America is Rocinha in Rio (pop somewhere between 70k and 300k - nobody really knows)
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb04_rocinha_rj.jpg

i think slumsd must be definited by the the countrystandards , so in the US there are so many rich people that you can say run down areas or housing projects , are slums

i find this thread very interesting , whats with more slum pics of sao paulo or rio or mexico city or buenos aires in all that cities are slums existing .....

ok those pics of the Bronx werent slum looking at all. i actually thought it looked nice. haha Fact is....in america...either your homeless or you live in a shitty house( if your poor). Now, theres no saying how many people live in shacks....im sure thier not living there for long.tempory .ya know. But never the less..america doesnt have slums... although south west phillly makes me think ;)

Yeh I agree ith you those pics of the Bronx werne reall slums. I mean like the road was actually paved just lots of graffitii. All cities have slums and the ones who deny are full of it. I mean you cant deny that your city is poverty-free. And the slums will always be there. Eradicting slums of the city willjuss make more slums in the country side. However I msut say the worst slums I have ever seen was in the Domincan Republic. The people didnt even have running water or electricity.

you can clearly see that there are barely any whites living in the slums in this pic
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb35_heliopolis_sp.jpg

but I assure that in southern Brasil slums there are whites, even blonde blue eyed people.

Like I said, some of the conditions of the "ghettos" in the United States are not different from "slums" of other parts of the world. The interpretation of slums is completely different in many parts of the world. For instance, most of the slums of Rio have all basic services...water, electricity, sewer, roads, etc. People who live there pay bills for these services. So what makes them different from the US ghettos???



First of all, those slums in Rio don't have clean water, which is why there are numerous outbreaks from lack of clean water. From the look of the pictures, it looks as if many of those slums don't have electricity, unlike US ghettos. Another difference is that people in US ghettos have cars, phones, tv's, and even computers, while people in the Rio slums don't. That's a big difference!

Hey guess what? I got some "newer" pics of the Lower East Side. The ones I showed before were from the 1890's. These are mostly from 1941-1942.

In some ways it was better than it was before, and in some ways it was worse. Check 'em out!

Here's a link to where I got them. It's a goldmine of NY pics from the 40's!!!
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/results/result.do?display=thumbcap&action=search&query=city%3A%22New+York%22&page=1&pagesize=20

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02305.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02303.jpg

OH YEAH BABY!!!
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02520.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02522.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02523.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02519.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02676.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02677.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02678.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02685.jpg

Some parts were really starting to go downhill by 1942
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02687.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02689.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02698.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02694.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02699.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02703.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02710.jpg

Nearby Chinatown
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02707.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02705.jpg

And from the same photographer during the same time period (1940's), here's some scenes of Chicago when it was REALLY going downhill!

The little rascals ;)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04280.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04228.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04226.jpg

I wonder if anyone still lived here. :D
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04234.jpg

Da hood's come a long way. ;)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04242.jpg

So bad, it's good!
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04210.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04213.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04215.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04223.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04224.jpg

This is too beautiful for words. :yes:
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04188.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04197.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04296.jpg

According to the photographer, this was actually inhabited
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04306.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P04313.jpg

If you want to see more, start at about this page here and go through approx pages 30-50. There's also other Chicago pics from the time starting page 1:
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/results/result.do?display=thumbcap&action=search&query=city%3A%22Chicago%22&page=30&pagesize=20

:nono:
Seoul,Korea,now
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/01.jpg
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/02.jpg
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/05.jpg
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/04.jpg
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/10.jpg
Weird. So, this is supposed to be Seoul's last slum? I always thought South Korea was already on the 1st world march. If this country is more developed than Singapore, how come S'pore has no slums at all? Now that Korea is a wealthy and advanced country, shouldn't it be slum free soon enough?

First of all, those slums in Rio don't have clean water, which is why there are numerous outbreaks from lack of clean water. From the look of the pictures, it looks as if many of those slums don't have electricity, unlike US ghettos. Another difference is that people in US ghettos have cars, phones, tv's, and even computers, while people in the Rio slums don't. That's a big difference!
What do you know about Rio's slums to make such a statement? First of all they DO have electricity. About clean water I just don't know, but of course they do have water! The outbreaks occur definetly not because of that, it's usually due to wars between the druglords, each one controls their specific part of the slum. When they invade other's territory they kill each other.

Also even in the slums some people even have air conditioning, microwave ovens, etc... Many have TVs, refrigerators... It's not absolute poverty like you're saying.

The truth in Bangkoks case is that it is getting much much less , they still exist a little, but as I said before in 5 years it will be gone, why would I be afraid to look at the truth, thats the truth and I know it, if you dont know it I dont care.... that is just lack of knowledge from your side...

Fuck you.

Who do you think you are to judge other people's knowledge?

You know they exist a little but they still exist. If you know they will be gone, then be happy about it and stop acting like an ignorant bitch.

Just love your city the way it is.

Weird. So, this is supposed to be Seoul's last slum? I always thought South Korea was already on the 1st world march. If this country is more developed than Singapore, how come S'pore has no slums at all? Now that Korea is a wealthy and advanced country, shouldn't it be slum free soon enough?

Whether you would like to admit it or not. Every country in the world has some sort of slums. Slums will never be completely eradicated. Theres always going to be poor people in the world.

Melbourne slums in the 1930's:

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3438&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3493&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3515&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3434&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3429&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3465&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3494&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3498&doc=1

http://pictures.slv.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/scandoc.cgi?app=4&folder=3529&doc=1

:nono:
Seoul,Korea,now
http://maa999999.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ruri/01.jpg


Look at this picture carefully
This picture shows how slum disappear in korea
As you can see well, lots of apartment buildings are u/c in the back of slum
This is the redevelopment!

Anyhow, there are poor people in Seoul too, like any other cities in the world.

Sao Paulo, almost 800,000 people live in favelas and Cingapura housing projects, starting with the worst pictures:
http://www.pandion.nl/images/galerie/saokrotten.jpg
http://www.arrakeen.ch/saopaulo/075%20%20favela%20in%20Morumbi.JPG
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb17_heliopolis_sp.jpg
http://www.oas.com.br/english/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg
http://www.schahin.com.br/engenharia/images/obras/pops/cingapura_grande.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture%20-%20001%20-%20%20a.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/foto2.jpg :cheers: :)

Sao Paulo, almost 800,000 people live in favelas and Cingapura housing projects, starting with the worst pictures:
http://www.pandion.nl/images/galerie/saokrotten.jpg
http://www.arrakeen.ch/saopaulo/075%20%20favela%20in%20Morumbi.JPG
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb17_heliopolis_sp.jpg
http://www.oas.com.br/english/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg
http://www.schahin.com.br/engenharia/images/obras/pops/cingapura_grande.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture%20-%20001%20-%20%20a.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/foto2.jpg :cheers: :)interesting pictures cello
; i am so scarry when i think about the fact that there are a lot of housing projects in SP they are turned into "slums" ! why? and do you know the percentage of housing projects in your city ?

Hey, cool pics Grollo. I didn't know Aus ever had slums. :D

Newcastle Upon Tyne England
http://www.gpc.edu/~rflynn/1112/newcastle_upon_tyne.JPG

Glasgow Slums
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/vm/images/g240/g024033x.jpg

London Slums
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/upload/img_400/H2401.jpg

Belfast
http://belfastfamilies.co.uk/images/Baker.jpg

Wow, cricket was populor in Australia in the 30's.

interesting pictures cello
; i am so scarry when i think about the fact that there are a lot of housing projects in SP they are turned into "slums" ! why? and do you know the percentage of housing projects in your city ?
Actually, 1.2 million people were settled into these housing projects, which became slums after a while. The people are still poor, although they have better housing quality, so their "carrers" are still those of criminals, dealers, murderers, thieves etc... 800,000 people are still living in slums. To have a notion of what we are speaking: In the same city every 10th inhabitant (measured in Brazilian R$ even every 7th) is a millionaire! And the middle class is still huge! This is one reason why it cannot be considered developped. Much of the development is still upper-class and middle class, not lower class as they are "settled around" in the city without improving their financial situation.

Found these on Filthymess ages ago.

They're original photos of NYC from the 1970's.

http://www.filthymess.com/images/urbandk.jpg

http://www.filthymess.com/images/fire.jpg

You can see the people on the bottom, so some these buildings were actually inhabited
http://www.filthymess.com/images/urban_dk2.jpg

A ghetto is not the same as a slum, and a slum is not the same as a shantytown.

People from 2nd and 3rd world countries saying that the USA has no slums and that life is 'great' in the US ghettos compared to some of the 3rd world shantytowns don't see things in the right perspective I think.

I mean what's worse? Living in a rundown neighbourhood in a developed country like the US with a very high crime and violence rate or living in a shantytown somewhere in India where life might not be that dangerous at all? It's probably harder to deal with the big difference between poor and rich in a developed country than between poor and less poor in a developing country.

those newyorks
hard to belive they exisit

any pictures of chinese slums?

any pictures of filipino slums?

I think there're no slums in Shanghai or other Chinese cities.

^ There probobly are, just not commonly known.

First of all, this is Webster's dictionary definition of "slum":

Slum: (n) heavily populated urban area characterized by substandard housing and squalor. A foul back street of a city, especially one filled with a poor, dirty, degraded, and often vicious population; any low neighborhood or dark retreat. Usually in the plural form.

Per this definition, your "ghettos" in the US are not different from any "slum" around the world. The point here is that everybody has a different interpretation of "slums".

Second, there are many trashy trailer homes all over the US that fit your "made up of whatever" definition of a slum...and yes most of the slums in Rio have more than basic services....Cable TV, air conditionning, etc...so accroding to your standards, they are not slums. Most people have terrible misconceptions about the slums in Rio. I do not know what percentage of the Rio slums have these conditions, so I do not want to make up a number. However, you can inform yourself on this following thread and maybe prepare before coming here and making statements without evidence to back them up:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=119531 (http://)
(I don't think my hyperlink button is working, but you can copy and paste on a new page and get there)

Third, Other than your ghetto trailer parks and public housing neighborhoods, YES there are slums in the US, you just haven't seen them. Take a look at American Samoa and other US possesions and then we will talk.

The difference in slums in say Rio or Chicago is that many slums in Chicago are public housing and aren't constructed by the poeple who live there and have sanitation and water, gas lines (though if you don't pay it gets turned off) Many slum areas of the city were once prosperous neighbrohoods that became slums over the years. Many are being revitalized rather rapidly.

There was a story of a man who was living in a bridge for 3 years or soemthing. He had a tv, a playstations. Pretty amazing. It's a bridge that raises up to let boats through.
Slums differ and appear to depend on social equalities and inequalities. Brazil doesn't seem to provide as much public housing as the US and therefore has more people squatting on government land. Right?

For pics of slums and urban decay go to this site. It might be on Skyscrapercity already but for those of you who don't know of it, just copy into your address bar.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials3/092.JPEG&imgrefurl=http://www.angelfire.com/nv/207/chaindex.html&h=512&w=768&sz=81&tbnid=KOUJwo51HO0J:&tbnh=94&tbnw=141&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchicago%2Bhousing%2Bprojects%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

For pics of slums and urban decay go to this site. It might be on Skyscrapercity already but for those of you who don't know of it, just copy into your address bar.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials3/092.JPEG&imgrefurl=http://www.angelfire.com/nv/207/chaindex.html&h=512&w=768&sz=81&tbnid=KOUJwo51HO0J:&tbnh=94&tbnw=141&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchicago%2Bhousing%2Bprojects%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
can see nothing

can see nothing

Sorry. It works as a link for me when I click it. It's a pretty extensive site.

A lot of slum areas on the west side of Chicago were created after the riots when Martin Luther King Jr. was killed. People destroyed their own neighborhoods and they never recovered.

Errr I think that there is a mis-conception with 'slum'. Mostly slums are collections of semi-permanent 'illegal' housing and shelters; they are built on private, public or non-owned land without permission. Therefore one can have all the amenities, such as TVs, mobile phones, refrigerators as any other home but it is the status of the legality of the home that is the question and also the problem: The legality means that the Authorities do not recognise or acknowledge their existence and therefore the slum areas are often not integrated into the city infrastructure to get clean water, dispose of sewage etc Slums may also be 'cleared' without consultation and are therefore deemed temporary in nature. However you will find a very tight-knit community, involving shared resources and efficient living. The people living in slums rely on an informal economy to earn money, this is often a relatively low income amount therefore the quality of their homes is poor but not always. The informal economy is never acknowledged or regulated but plays a vital role in the city and again is often highly efficient.

Current urban thinking says that slum areas and the informal economies that help run them should be recognised legally and be joined with the infrastructure of the city, this will help rid the areas of the health issues of poor quality water and sewage, but will allow the peoples lives to go on as they were and keep their communities and investments intact. This is required because to educate and support a single person to achieve the levels of GDP output as a typical person in the US costs many millions of dollars, this is an impossible scenario to achieve in most countries in the current capitalist structured world economy (simply divide the total GDP of a country and divide that by the number of working age population and see the impossibility of the task) and therefore the informal economy has to stay.

The UN gives these guidelines to authorities to measure a 'slum';
Access to improved water (access to sufficient amount of water for family use, at an affordable price, available to household members without being subject to extreme effort);
Access to improved sanitation (access to an excreta disposal system, either in the form of a private toilet or a public toilet shared with a reasonable number of people);
Security of tenure (evidence of documentation to prove secure tenure status or de facto or perceived protection from evictions)
Durability of housing (permanent and adequate structure in non-hazardous location)
Sufficient living area (not more than two people sharing the same room).

Social housing are not slums... in the parts of the 'developed' and 'developing' world large scale social housing arose from slum clearance, this was a physical and legalisation change of the slums nature however the fundamental level of poverty and the causes of that poverty are never dealt with by a purely physical change (are you listening Rayman?!) and social housing, although dealing with an initial issue of dilapidation and health problems, have always been the poor-man of the city.

Of particular note, coming back to the idea that 'slums' are better than slum clearance in the long term... the methods of slum clearance employed are very damaging for the long-term stability of the area, see the large scale post war slum clearance in London that basically tore apart communities that had existed for many generations to disperse the population into new homes in new towns. This led to the social decay of many areas leading people to reminisce about the good days of the slum...

interesting pictures cello
; i am so scarry when i think about the fact that there are a lot of housing projects in SP they are turned into "slums" ! why? and do you know the percentage of housing projects in your city ?

? It's the opposite: the slums are turned in housing projects. ;)

interesting pictures cello
; i am so scarry when i think about the fact that there are a lot of housing projects in SP they are turned into "slums" ! why? and do you know the percentage of housing projects in your city ?

because the people there have no education (unfortunately), sense of Fashion, good taste in music or hygiene. a good chunk of them are even criminals. that's why a housing project is turned into a slum again

Slums look kinda cool to me, as long as I don't live in one.

I think there're no slums in Shanghai or other Chinese cities.
This is not true. I have seen a report on Shanghai and other Chinese cities and their slums. They looked like bombed out houses, and if Tokyo and Hong Kong have them why shouldn't China have them??? UNO says that about 20% of Shanghaians live in slums. :cheers:

Slums look kinda cool to me, as long as I don't live in one.I second that. Poor people have to live somewhere. :cheers:

I'm from Bombay, India. I love the place but I'm not going to fool myself or others by saying that we dont have any slums! We have too many!

Recently, our new Chief Minister for the state has gone on a demolition drive. Displacing almost 3 million people by destroying illegal structures. Some have been rehabilitated while others have left to go back to their villages.

Could the forumers here tell me how slums have been irradicated in their countries? Where did these people go? and Who fills the jobs that these slum dwellers once held?

Who fills the jobs that these slum dwellers once held?

Indians ;) Only joking

In the UK most slums were cleared during the first half of the twentieth century, the government mainly did this by building better housing . The people who used to live in them became more prosperous because of the welfare state and better education while the jobs they used to do are now done in developing countries. There are still poor areas where people do not work or have menial jobs that cannot be exported but they are not 'slums' which could be compared to 19th century Britain or the developing world.

[QUOTE=Ubermensch]Could the forumers here tell me how slums have been irradicated in their countries? Where did these people go? QUOTE]
Building Cingapura housings, named after the city of Singapore:
http://www.oas.com.br/english/fotos/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg :cheers:

Here's an example of what is being done in South Africa's informal settlements (don't ever call it a slum, you will be smacked by the locals ;)

This is what one of Johannesburg's largest townships, Alexandra, looked like:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/before/dev_hou_01_before_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/before/dev_hou_04_before_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/before/dev_hou_04_marlboro_before_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/before/dev_hou_01_before_06.jpg

And now:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/rca/dev_hou_01_rca_begin_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/rca/dev_hou_01_rca_building_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/rca/dev_hou_01_rca_building_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/events/01_rca_launch/evnt_hou_0111_rca_launch_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/rca/dev_hou_03_rca_complete_08.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/rca/dev_hou_04_rca_complete_trampoline_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/riverpark/dev_hou_02_riverpark_complete_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/riverpark/dev_hou_02_riverpark_complete_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/riverpark/dev_hou_01_riverpark_building_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/ext8_phase1/dev_hou_02_ext8_phase1__01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/housing/ext8_phase1/dev_hou_04_ext8_phase1_02.jpg

A River runs through it ......

Before:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_01_jukskei_before_08.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_01_jukskei_before_09.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_04_jukskei_before_01.jpg

And Now:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_eng_01_jukskei_clean_up_retaining_wall_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_02_jukskei_after_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_02_jukskei_after_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_04_jukskei_maintenance.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_04_jukskei_complete_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/jukskei/dev_spe_04_jukskei_complete_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_01_parks_before_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_02_parks_construction_guinea_park_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_02_parks_complete_guinea_park_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_02_parks_new_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_02_parks_new_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_02_parks_maintenance_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_04_parks_statue_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_04_parks_complete_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_04_parks_complete_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_04_parks_complete_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/environment/parks/dev_spe_04_parks_complete_05.jpg

Roads were sand roads or didn't exist but now:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_0211_london_rd_construction_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_0211_london_rd_construction_03.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_0212_london_rd_construction_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_02_london_rd_bridge_building_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_0210_london_rd_bridge_building_08.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_04_london_rd_bridge_complete_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_04_london_rd_bridge_complete_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_04_london_rd_bridge_complete_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_04_london_rd_bridge_complete_07.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/london_rd/dev_eng_04_london_rd_bridge_complete_03.jpg

And then there was light :

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/electricity/dev_eng_04_electrity_alex_night_01.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/electricity/dev_eng_04_electrity_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/engineering/electricity/dev_eng_04_electrity_06.jpg

Leisure activities:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/sports_recreation/sports/dev_spr_04_altrek_sports_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/sports_recreation/sports/dev_spr_04_alex_stadium_02.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/sports_recreation/sports/dev_spr_04_swimming_02.jpg

Art:

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/heritage/graffiti_wall/dev_hac_02_vasco_graffiti_wall_07.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/heritage/graffiti_wall/dev_hac_02_vasco_graffiti_wall_06.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/heritage/graffiti_wall/dev_hac_02_vasco_graffiti_wall_04.jpg

http://www.alexandra.co.za/photogallery/heritage/graffiti_wall/dev_hac_02_vasco_graffiti_wall_16.jpg

I think there're no slums in Shanghai or other Chinese cities.
Are you kidding me???
There are also slum-like places in HK, Taiwan, NewYork, maybe seoul!!Why not CHINA!!!
I'm Chinese and I live in China too and I can prove that some Chinese cities are developing incredibly rapidly, but "NO SLUMS"? Not that good yet!
And actually some small cities are quite ugly with boring achitectures and are poorly planned, why do I know that? Because I grew up in one of them! not like some arrogant people who were born in the luxerious Shanghai and never see the other side of our country!
I think you should learn to respect the fact and other people......

..

Another great find of classic American slums!!!!!

Here's some more, from the 40's and 50's. . .

Mississippi

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02593.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P10383.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P10396.jpg


Johnstown, PA, 1940 - WHAT A DUMP!!!!!

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P01821.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02029.jpg

Even lots of white ppl back then were really poor. ;)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02030.jpg

Scranton, PA, 1941
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02525.jpg

Mobile, AB, 1941
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02559.jpg

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P05161.jpg

Straight out of Porgy and Bess!
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P05171.jpg

Somewhere in Kentucky, LOL
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P03904.jpg

Somewhere in South Carolina
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P01623.jpg

These next ones are from a GREAT site with pics of Savannah, Georgia in the 1940's . . .

Pics are here:
http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/lis1-05.html

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-45-03.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-20-03.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-20-01.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-13-03.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-18-01.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-27-04.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-27-05.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-52-01.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-29-06.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-31-05.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-60-04.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-53-01.JPG

http://www.library.armstrong.edu/lis1/images/i-41-03.JPG

Favela in Morumbi the richest area of Sao Paulo.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/fsp/images/abre24012004.jpg

http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture_-_05_-_e.jpg

Visiting the favela confirmed many of the idea that I have learned as well as enlightened me to many more things. I was shocked at the actual proximity of large corporations and buildings to the favela. I had read about Morumbi being an area of rich apartment houses, but I was really shocked to see the huge COMPAQ, CityBank and Nestle buildings looking right into the favela from across the river.

Another part that took me by surprise was many people illegally tapped into the electricity. (only 20% of the homes have it legally in Real Parque favela.) This seems pretty difficult and must take some sort of education or trial/error to figure out how to tap into an electrical wire.

http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/foto3.jpghttp://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/foto4.jpghttp://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/foto6.jpg

http://www.usp.br/jorusp/arquivo/2003/jusp670/ilustras/ilustra03c.jpghttp://www.usp.br/jorusp/arquivo/2003/jusp670/ilustras/ilustra03c.jpghttp://www.usp.br/jorusp/arquivo/2003/jusp670/ilustras/ilustra03b.jpg


http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture%20-%2009%20-%20i.jpghttp://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/images/no17.jpg

http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Sao%20Pa1.jpghttp://www.pandion.nl/images/galerie/saokrotten.jpghttp://www.fotoforum.com.br/fotos/214favelaoriginal.jpg_tradada6m_clateral_400.jpg

http://www.arrakeen.ch/saopaulo/075%20%20favela%20in%20Morumbi.JPG

http://www.upf.es/materials/fhuma/intgeo/tema8/images/favelas.jpg the pictures from morumbi with the office scrapers of COMPAQ; NESTLE ans so on .. this are quite shocking to see this what an contrast , is it right that this favela called favela real parque ? have any person here more pictures of this contrast area , eventuelly satelite pictures this favela must be very big ?

This is not true. I have seen a report on Shanghai and other Chinese cities and their slums. They looked like bombed out houses,
They looked like bombed out because we were tearing down for building new houses in those places.

and if Tokyo and Hong Kong have them why shouldn't China have them???
because China is still a socialism nation, I didn't see slums in old soviet cities either. socialism nations have no super-riches, neither super-poors in the city.

UNO says that about 20% of Shanghaians live in slums. :cheers:
I never heard that, mind to give us a link?

I did see quite large size slum houses in late 1970s and early 1980s, when Culture Revolution was just over and many people who were forced to go to countryside backing to cities, so many just build slums. but in late 1980s and early 1990s those slums were virtually all gone, because 1)in that period of time Chinese economy grew in double digits. 2)gov built lots of commie blocks in that time to house those people in slums, yes in that time people still got houses from gov and there is no house for sell, you just need to pay little rent.

But now we are building nicer looking commie blocks, but this time all houses are for sale, you have tp pay for them(capitalism now, socialism are gone) . and of course large size of old commie blocks are getting tearing down every where, like being bombed out, and many western journalists shots them during tearing down, and "see, Chinese slums" lol

Found these on Filthymess ages ago.

They're original photos of NYC from the 1970's.

http://www.filthymess.com/images/urbandk.jpg

http://www.filthymess.com/images/fire.jpg

You can see the people on the bottom, so some these buildings were actually inhabited
http://www.filthymess.com/images/urban_dk2.jpg



See, this is interesting and i dont know if anyone mentioned it before I did not read into this thread that much, just looked at the pics but alot of people in harlem, and the south bronx especially back in the 1970's and into the 1980's were burning down their own apartment buildings i forget why, money and ecomincally related most likely.

the pictures from morumbi with the office scrapers of COMPAQ; NESTLE ans so on .. this are quite shocking to see this what an contrast , is it right that this favela called favela real parque ? have any person here more pictures of this contrast area , eventuelly satelite pictures this favela must be very big ?
Here are some other ones:
Favela Heliópolis, São Paulo's biggest favela, has 69,000 inhabitants:
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9823/saopauloheliopolis3mo.th.jpg

This is an areal view of Morumbi (who the hell wants to live in these Apartment buildings?????):
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/6585/saopaulomorumbi5vx.th.jpg

The "best" pics are still those of Rio de Janeiro:
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/3131/rio21kd.th.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/1818/rio31xj.th.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/7504/riodejaneiro7sn.th.jpg :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :eek2: :eek2:

No Real Parque isn't that big. And it has improvede a lot and will improve more!

More Real Parque:
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/6734/realparque26go.th.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9629/realparque9wh.th.jpg

But most of the slums are being cleared like this, it is called Cingapura:
http://www.lenc.com.br/cingapur.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/552/cingapura25mi.th.jpg :cheers:

More Real Parque:
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/6734/realparque26go.th.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/9629/realparque9wh.th.jpg

But most of the slums are being cleared like this, it is called Cingapura:
http://www.lenc.com.br/cingapur.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/552/cingapura25mi.th.jpg :cheers: interesting pictures of sao paulo cello - but are the baracks in the one picture in front of the office scrapers still exist yes or no ?

i think cingapura projects are an good idea but the danger is that this cingapura houses can also turn into slums in time or not ?

WOW that old Johnstown,PA pic is great

p.s. it is still a shitty ass city full of drug dealers now

The cingapuras have the advenatge that the people still can live in their neighbourhood in their social environment, not like in France or the US where the slum people were deslocated to some beaulieux.

The disadvantage: only close to the important highways and the city center the cingapuras are quickly built (like the Favela do Gato at the Tiete). In the deep south of Sao Paulo where it is most important, the people still live in conditions like in the poorest african country and nobody cares - out of sight... and the other thing: people who move to the cingapuras have now to pay for electricity and water - but I don't know if there is a big difference to what they pay the gatos (the illegal infrastructure "distributers").

The cingapuras have the advenatge that the people still can live in their neighbourhood in their social environment, not like in France or the US where the slum people were deslocated to some beaulieux.

The disadvantage: only close to the important highways and the city center the cingapuras are quickly built (like the Favela do Gato at the Tiete). In the deep south of Sao Paulo where it is most important, the people still live in conditions like in the poorest african country and nobody cares - out of sight... and the other thing: people who move to the cingapuras have now to pay for electricity and water - but I don't know if there is a big difference to what they pay the gatos (the illegal infrastructure "distributers").

It is not right that nobody cares about the people who live in the South. Afriend of mine, Ana Carolina is architect and works at the city administration. There are various projects. But the problem is: There are too many projects and there is a quarrel (since 3 years!!!) about how to clear S SP slums the best way. Some want to use the area cleared as industrial park, otherrs want to renature them. And it is very difficult to intervene in those slums.
But as it seems, there will be built 13 to 15storey apartment houses, as the ground there is very expensive!!! :)

interesting pictures of sao paulo cello - but are the baracks in the one picture in front of the office scrapers still exist yes or no ?

i think cingapura projects are an good idea but the danger is that this cingapura houses can also turn into slums in time or not ?

Yes, many barracks still exist. Many times you can see new barracks being built in the middle of the Cingapuras! :bash:

That's good to hear, Cello1974! But I think it's also a question of money and preferences. Wasn't it Maluf who initiated the cingapura project and in the end used all the tax money for his bridges and tunnels because these are better personal monuments and only a small part of the promised slumrestoring projects have been done? ;) Martha also did her part and I think compared to where she had to start from she didn't do too bad - I was not that big a fan of her, but I thought it's sad that she hasn't been reelected. What is the politics concerning the cingapuras of the new mayor (sorry I haven't been in the city for nearly one year now)?

:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

Files are named after locations

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/3019/34369686natalie0403hz.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/6118/8895189picture324thai2kx.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/6230/10463745pict03821zp.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8967/32954410chinesespiritualtemple.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/9315/32954450rubbishstreamcebucity6.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/1780/3724394120021118saigonimg16262.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/5822/34557436squalidlivingcondition.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/5043/37469284almeriaslums4kp.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/2395/bangkok27xp.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/695/bangkok35bi.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/5857/bangkok4qh.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/9481/bombay9bi.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/2415/chileslumsinthehillsabovevalpa.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/4339/favela9wl.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/7980/laperlapr9wk.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/9666/manila3mw.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8169/mumbai15ch.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/2158/mumbai26ho.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8207/mumbai39qa.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/6528/mumbai42db.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8682/mumbai7gm.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/3358/newdelhi7zn.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/882/slumsalongthepanamericanhighwa.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8699/theslumofbeleniniquitosperu1yp.jpg

See, this is interesting and i dont know if anyone mentioned it before I did not read into this thread that much, just looked at the pics but alot of people in harlem, and the south bronx especially back in the 1970's and into the 1980's were burning down their own apartment buildings i forget why, money and ecomincally related most likely.

the conditions had deteriorated to the point that no one cared any more.. residents and supers alike set fire to their buildings... It's said that during that time the sbx always had this ominus glow hovering over it almost nightly.. after a building had burned, there was no further demo or clean up, making it look & feel like a f'in bomb had just been dropped.. most of the rubble was pushed into piles only to sit there for the better part of a decade.. at one point the city considered condemning the sbx all together.. leveling it and starting over.. sbx has come a long way in the past 20-30 years..


btw nygirl... empty out your pm folder.. she be full..
I tried to drop a line earlier, but no joy..;)

That's good to hear, Cello1974! But I think it's also a question of money and preferences. Wasn't it Maluf who initiated the cingapura project and in the end used all the tax money for his bridges and tunnels because these are better personal monuments and only a small part of the promised slumrestoring projects have been done? ;) Martha also did her part and I think compared to where she had to start from she didn't do too bad - I was not that big a fan of her, but I thought it's sad that she hasn't been reelected. What is the politics concerning the cingapuras of the new mayor (sorry I haven't been in the city for nearly one year now)?
Maluf robbed 350 million Euros and sent them to Switzerland!

have any person here more photos of slums please post them (esp. of slums in Manila , in the US and sao paulo )

The most bizarre slums are those that exist right next to fairly expensive areas of a city. Rio definitely comes to mind when I think of this.

Other places, like Egypt (except Heliopolis), Bangladesh and most of India are so poor all over that it's hard to define what is a slum, when practically everyone lives at a basic subsistence level.

This is one hell of a thread--one of the best I've seen. Very enlightening and poignant. I can't believe some people had issues with showing slums and ghettos. I mean, this is truth, this is reality. The worst thing you can do is pretend it doesn't exist. Thanks to everyone for putting up some amazing pictures.

Swivle -- you referenced your thread on Bronx a few times, way way early on in this thread. I clicked on the links and they don't seem to work anymore. I'd like to see those threads...

I also found a really fascinating site on "urban decay." It has literally hundreds of photographs of "urban decay" from many different U.S. cities.
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/207/

Here is another one on the South Bronx
http://www.columbia.edu/imaging/html/browsers/camilo/NYDA93-F100.html

Just a quick question: if cities are getting rid of slums, where do the people go? Certainly not in the luxury apartments they build on top of them.

Very interesting and quite humourous to see satellite dishes in the Japanese slums, though considering the high price of property there I wouldnt be surprised if they werent really that poor.

projects

From what I can see, i get the impression that the living conditions in slums in Bangkok is a bit higher than those in India, africa or south america.

Swivle -- you referenced your thread on Bronx a few times, way way early on in this thread. I clicked on the links and they don't seem to work anymore. I'd like to see those threads...


sorry on the slow reply...
unfortunately the Bx threads were pruned awhile back...
but they were old when I posted the links a couple months back...
this monster of a thread has been around for awhile huh? :D

not to worry... I'll do my best to replicate them..
keep an eye out in the ny forum. ;)

Newcastle Upon Tyne England

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t628/T628589A.jpg


If you want to know about England's Slums read George Orwells 'The Road to Wigan Pier'

Some more classic American pics - these are of Pittsburgh

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old01.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old02.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old05.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old08.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old10.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old34.jpg

These were actually occupied
http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old35.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old54.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old86.jpg

http://herodotus.topcities.com/home/old87.jpg

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-705.0257.ka;viewid=0257KA.TIF;cc=ka;c=ka;quality=2

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-705.0221.ka;viewid=0221KA.TIF;cc=ka;c=ka;quality=2

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-705.0212.ka;viewid=0212KA.TIF;cc=ka;c=ka;quality=2

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-7812.151084.iks;viewid=151084IK.TIF;cc=iks;c=iks;quality=2

can anybody show me some pictures of slums in chicago , or public housing in CHI

^Sure...

Cabrini Green

Cabrini Green in Chicago used to be notoriously violent. People were caged in like animals. It's being torn down now. Many of the people who live there will have no place to go because the city isn't building enough affordable housing and many neighborhoods simply don't want these people coming there. It's sad. Anyway, I live about ten blocks from it and have been through it many times.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/whites_big.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/cbgreen1.jpg

http://www.planning.org/pathways/images/housing.jpg

Cabrini is very close to downtown, which is one of the reasons it's so attractive for redevelopment.
http://www.chicagoist.com/images/2004_07_cabrini.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/cabrinigreen1.jpg

This one is actually of a Robert Taylor Home project, but you can see the cages up close. The original plan was to allow people to enter their apartments like you enter a hotel room with sliding doors at the front. But after too many kids fell and were either killed or injured, the CHA put cages up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rth5.jpg

Starbucks: A sure sign that gentrification is afoot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/starbucks_big.jpg

http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials4/12.JPEG


Robert Taylor Homes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rth4.jpg


Dearborn Homes

http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials3/089.JPEG


Rockwell Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rockwellgardens.jpg


Praire Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/prairegardens1.jpg


Stateway Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/statewaygardens.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/statewaygardens2.jpg


By John White (Chicago's south side, 1973)

http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/portrait_of_black_chicago/images/chicago_ghetto.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/empty_housing.jpg

I wanted to bump up this thread but the real reason I am posting because I just found this amazing image.

This is a pig eating trash out of a stream in a Nairobi, Kenya slum :(

http://www.dcpi.org/images/Kenya/Pigs%20Feeding%20in%20a%20River%20of%20Garbage%20in%20Nairobi%20Slum.jpg

TORONTO

http://link.library.utoronto.ca/studenthousing/MVC-010F.JPG

From 1913
http://www.canadianheritage.org/images/large/20156.jpg

nick in atlanta,
in your previous post you said that most of india is poverty stricken
do you even know what is the poverty percentage in india? I donot agree with U.

From what I can see, i get the impression that the living conditions in slums in Bangkok is a bit higher than those in India, africa or south america.
No. At least in Brazil, most slums have sewage, tap water, electricity and so forth! This is big rubbish!

From what I can see, i get the impression that the living conditions in slums in Bangkok is a bit higher than those in India, africa or south america.
No. At least in Brazil, most slums have sewage, tap water, electricity and so forth! This is big rubbish!

have any person here pictures of the barrios of Buenos aires ? thanks !

Depresing. Millions of people living in those conditions.Poor people in USA complain about the way the live. They should check this thread out.

http://img78.exs.cx/img78/4880/slum7.jpg
I think this has already been brought up, but this is not a slum--the buildings aren't very attractive but this is a typical chinese residential neighborhood...notice how they all have A/C...perhaps hanging the clothes out the window looks slummy, but again--that's just the chinese and their obsession with air-drying their clothes.

No. At least in Brazil, most slums have sewage, tap water, electricity and so forth! This is big rubbish!

That's why I said i get the impression. It may be true or not true to what I had said. It's just the impression i get about Bangkok's slums.

You have to differ between slums and squatterings. Favelas in Brazil are mostly the latter - illegally built houses (mostly not shacks, but real brick buildings, it's not anymore Orpheo Negro era ;)) that steal water and electricity from the city's infrastructure by a so-called "gato". Favela is not the same as povertry and the other way round. Sometimes you see very nice houses of people who became rich but stayed in the favela.

A slum is a neighbourhood in decline as the area between central station and Rodoviaria in Rio or St. Efigenia neighbourhood in Sampa. But also some of the declined Paris or Moscow beaulieux.

BTW: Asia vs Brazil: only what I know by visiting places personally - in Brazil the favelas and lower neighbourhoods are HUGE and ugly, but have mostly all the infrastructure, TV, cars etc while for example in Indonesia there is always some small shacks in modern and center neighbourhoods. The life is more miserable there I think, but it's less outstanding!

i'm fascinated in pittsburgh slums from the early 20th. century. they are great.
they are more human then todays hongkong slums

here goes some chicago housing projects
http://www.jaymes.org/photos/ext.arch.baseball.jpg

Here is a social housing project in São Paulo (http://www6.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/secretarias/habitacao/galerias/parquedogato/0002) :)

Ah, I found :)
Thanks, Cello!

^Sure...

Cabrini Green

Cabrini Green in Chicago used to be notoriously violent. People were caged in like animals. It's being torn down now. Many of the people who live there will have no place to go because the city isn't building enough affordable housing and many neighborhoods simply don't want these people coming there. It's sad. Anyway, I live about ten blocks from it and have been through it many times.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/whites_big.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/cbgreen1.jpg

http://www.planning.org/pathways/images/housing.jpg

Cabrini is very close to downtown, which is one of the reasons it's so attractive for redevelopment.
http://www.chicagoist.com/images/2004_07_cabrini.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/cabrinigreen1.jpg

This one is actually of a Robert Taylor Home project, but you can see the cages up close. The original plan was to allow people to enter their apartments like you enter a hotel room with sliding doors at the front. But after too many kids fell and were either killed or injured, the CHA put cages up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rth5.jpg

Starbucks: A sure sign that gentrification is afoot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/starbucks_big.jpg

http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials4/12.JPEG


Robert Taylor Homes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rth4.jpg


Dearborn Homes

http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/maclean/aerials3/089.JPEG


Rockwell Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/rockwellgardens.jpg


Praire Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/prairegardens1.jpg


Stateway Gardens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/statewaygardens.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/statewaygardens2.jpg


By John White (Chicago's south side, 1973)

http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/portrait_of_black_chicago/images/chicago_ghetto.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/i_am_hydrogen/empty_housing.jpg

I read they used to have 11 shootings a night--in that one building.

these are the most slum like pictures i could dig up that i have uploaded to the internet.

kwun tong, hong kong:
http://photos7.flickr.com/9855972_f1525ae563_o.jpg

mong kokg, hong kong (sorta but not really):
http://photos6.flickr.com/10012661_8d79b48ae6_o.jpg

lian tang, shenzhen. these are commie blocks where low-income factory workers live, but probably not "slums":
http://photos7.flickr.com/9366083_52b953244d_o.jpg

bump

decay sbx style - circa 1989 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=222552)

is it right that the slum pop in big cities is growing up to 1,5 milliards in 2020 !? more photos please !

whats with more slum pics of your cities countrys please ? !

I used to live in a slum in Bangkok and my mom still does. She refuses to leave. She said she'd die where she was born. well, stupid of her but anyway, i think if all slum-dwellers in Bangkok act like her then it's tough to get rid of slums in my city. It's not that bad living in a slum. People tend to be very territorial and if you learn not to tresspass, then you'd be alive and well in a slum.

there will always be poor in bangkok no matter what unless they themselves will do something about it. no matter how good the government programs are, if the people will not help themselves, then might as well give the programs to the rats.

Many of Bangkok's citizens, especially the nouveau riche, refuse to see the truth that there are big time slums in Bangkok. They want to forget their past. They want to forget that they used to be poor. I used to be ashamed myself for being so poor. I am not rich, but just better. There's nothing to be ashamed of being poor living far away from the royal family's world. I was born poor and it was not my fault nor my parent's fault.

but again, if you open your eyes, there are slums in bangkok even if it's not as big as rio's or jakarta's. i just hate your rich noses' arrogance. please. and i don't believe it's going to be eradicated in a short time. Capitalism will always make a poor out of people. if everyone's rich, who would labor the businessmen's factories? If i'm rich, i wouldn't even think of working in one.

man, manila's slum is huge!

When it was still up, The Kowloon Walled City was the "Slum of all slums"

If you watched the movie Bloodsport, the kumite matches happened inside the yamen.

"Once you've stepped inside of the narrow corridors, it's time to protect your nuts guys!" - Lin, Bloodsport

http://www.adventurocity.com/images/cn/cnhkg007-600.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/history4.jpg
The early times

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/alley2.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/rubbish.jpg
inside

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/three.jpg
heroin

http://www.aliceincomputerland.com.hk/p229/John/walledcitypark2.jpg
The Walled City today, The buildings have been demolished and is now a park

The Chicago ones... Candyman was made there, isn't it?

Hong Kong looks sooooooooooo great! Not for the people who live there, but it has something romantic on it, like the old London slums :)

Candyman was set in Cabrini Green but from what I know is the place is being demolished because of the high real estate property near the downtown.

Anyway, more photos of the Kowloon Walled City. The place was called Hak Nam, City Of Darkness.

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/alley1.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/roof2.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/ext2.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/roof1.jpg

http://www.twenty4.co.uk/on-line/issue001/project02/KWC/history5.jpg
On demolition

http://gatsugatsu.com/images/kowloon1.jpg
A book about life in the Walled City

Not really a slum but check out The Chungking Mansions

http://www.cromwell-intl.com/travel/pictures/hongkong-exterior.jpg

^^^

BTW its spelled Hag Lam (Dark or Black Forest)

The movie Chunking Express by Wong Karwai (Chongqing Shenlin actually means Chongqing Forest) was partly filmed in this building. Great movie :)

Chinese to English spelling varies just like Gung-Fu, Kung-Fu. Slum or not but there is something mysterious about these buildings

I have been inside chungking masions last year

the lifts are very scary to ride

there is blood all up the walls and no windows

the guestrooms are like prison cells

and just to think the Penisula is about 100m dwn the road

But I still think The Kowloon Walled City looks more mysterious and much worst compared to The Chung King Mansions.

What do you guys think? Do you think Chungking Mansions can be considered a slum or a ghetto?

http://reporteroculto.no.sapo.pt/fotoalt/chungking.jpg

http://www.bikechina.com/images/hk14night.jpg

http://www.trachtenberg.org/chunking.jpg

http://www.chungking-mansions.com/F1002-72-11.jpg

http://www.chungking-mansions.com/F1002-81-12.jpg

The Peninsula Hotel in Kowloon, right nearby

http://www.hongkonghotels.net/kowloon/peninsula/peninsula-room3.jpg

an intresting thread at all but some older posters here are right this thread lives ponly with actually photos /pictures of youre cities slums /housing areas /trailer parcs /ghettos and so on.... ; whats with them post more NEW pictures please ! what are the percentage of our cities population who lives in rundown /housing/ trailer or slum areas !? whats also with new facts about this Slum please! the UN said at example that the slum developpers worldwscapes europe) up to 2 billion (2 milliarde europe) in the next future ;whats with this prognose of the UN are you agree? questions over questions answears over answears please ;-) and more new picture PLEASE

The Chungking Mansions, although as gritty and run down as it looks, is historical and vital icon of Hong Kong. I feel as though demolishing the complex will add on to the Hong Kong government's list of buildings which have been unjustly demolished and replaced by newer, bland buildings.

an intresting thread at all but some older posters here are right this thread lives ponly with actually photos /pictures of youre cities slums /housing areas /trailer parcs /ghettos and so on.... ; whats with them post more NEW pictures please ! what are the percentage of our cities population who lives in rundown /housing/ trailer or slum areas !? whats also with new facts about this Slum please! the UN said at example that the slum developpers worldwscapes europe) up to 2 billion (2 milliarde europe) in the next future ;whats with this prognose of the UN are you agree? questions over questions answears over answears please ;-) and more new picture PLEASEsorry my fault/ error : the UN said that the slum population worldwide will grow up from 1 billion developers worldwide yet ( 1 milliarde europe ) up to 2 billions worldwide !? what you think about this prognose of UNO are they realistic or not thanks and PLEASE only NEW photos of your cities slums and when they do not exist any more please no photos okay ?

I think it's the same thing about the Kowloon Walled City but the government demolished it!

more photos pls

Here some pics of my town - not nessecary of slums but of social decline: Needle Park Zurich (Platzspitz and Letten close to Main Station - on the "other side of Bahnhofstrasse") 10 years ago:
http://www.sozialarchiv.ch/Bilder/BArchiv/F_5023.jpg
http://www.lecunff.ch/ie_comp/gallery/reportage/platzspitz02.jpg
http://www.grifo.dk/billeder/fotos/platzspitz.jpg
http://www.blick.franziskaner-werd.ch/Bilder/Letten.jpg
http://www.swissinfo.org/xobix_media/images/sri/2004/sriimg20040812_5140795_0.jpg
http://www.lookat.ch/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/1033-400x500.jpg

yeah and pls post slums of manila and jakarta, there are tons of them there


yeah its like a given fact, yeah in Bangkok too tons of AIDS infested slum areas, atleast slums in manila are educationally and physically better than Bangkok slums........... defensive ang potah! Ulol!

Just found this pic of Morumbi - must be Paraisopolis (the biggest favela of the city, but maybe some Paulistanos among you may know better:
http://galleries.news24.com/daily/20040121/images/02.jpg

Producer of Entrapment, Sean Connery wasn't happy that Kuala Lumpur has no slums. So he decided do a "facelift" by superimposing KL some nasty stuffs that looked bad, though not as demented as him.

Entrapment scene! OMG! Canal Tour in KL?!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/2/9kl.jpg

ACTUAL thing!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/baqthier/klscene0911.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/2/9klpanorama.jpg


I believe that's a collage of Melaka River in Melaka + KLCC? I never watched Entrapment but I've heard how negatively it portrayed KL by "planting" a slum right next to the city...

This is what Melaka River looks like:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1768/hrs085ga.jpg

I saw much worse slums (but smaller) in KL in the early 90s - but I think it's all cleaned away in the meantime. The Entrapment collage (it's not even a slum but just an old fishing village I think) is famous and a parody of itself ;)

^^ Exactly... thats not a slum but a small historical village by the river bank. There are still small "kampungs" (villages) in KL but those are far from being slums, they were mainly squatters and I believe will be clean up by this year. Most squatters ppl were relocated to low cost housing projects. I agree that poor citizens need to live somewhere inexpensive but decent. This is an example of the low cost apartments in KL:

http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_c1.JPG
http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_hc2.JPG
http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_g1.JPG
http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_a2.JPG
http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_e1.JPG
http://www.bintai.com.my/images/SriRampai/SriRampai_mph1.JPG

^^ Exactly... thats not a slum but a small historical village by the river bank. There are still small "kampungs" (villages) in KL but those are far from being slums, they were mainly squatters and I believe will be clean up by this year. Most squatters ppl were relocated to low cost housing projects. I agree that poor citizens need to live somewhere inexpensive but decent. This is an example of the low cost apartments in KL:


Yup. I perfectly agree. Kampungs are not neccessary slums.
Some have very long history.

Massive clearing of Singapore kampungs started in the 1970s.
Another huge phase started in the mid 1980s.
Yet another (slightly smaller) phase was in the mid 1990s, the clearing of Punggol's kampungs.

Some of these kampungs, like Kampung Punggol date way before the British colonisation of Singapore. Now they are all gone. :cry:

There are still a few rural villages left in Singapore, but sadly they will be cleared one day. :cry:
The Kampung is like the heritage of South East Asian housing.

Pittsburgh... I wish to live that kind of slum--- they seems renovated, more attractive now... but that kind of originality arouse my memory of 70s North Dakota... Those wealthy farmers(They have to be lower-middle class, since in 80s I saw little of these huts survived) living in cute but ugly (slummy) huts... Then they demolished all of them with beautiful nice houses.

I love that Pittsburgh pic:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-705.0221.ka;viewid=0221KA.TIF;cc=ka;c=ka;quality=2

Even lots of white ppl back then were really poor. ;)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02030.jpg

Somewhere in Kentucky, LOL
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P03904.jpg

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They're really cute slums... Especially the one in Kentucky.

That is shanty!!!! :eek:
I took these photos when I arrived in Rio, 30th of September 2005!
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8614/p92001194ie.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7343/p92001203gr.jpg
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

is this slum area???

Yup. I perfectly agree. Kampungs are not neccessary slums.
Some have very long history.

Massive clearing of Singapore kampungs started in the 1970s.
Another huge phase started in the mid 1980s.
Yet another (slightly smaller) phase was in the mid 1990s, the clearing of Punggol's kampungs.

Some of these kampungs, like Kampung Punggol date way before the British colonisation of Singapore. Now they are all gone. :cry:

There are still a few rural villages left in Singapore, but sadly they will be cleared one day. :cry:
The Kampung is like the heritage of South East Asian housing.


There are a small number of slums in KL but they are really very few. Most are kampungs (villages). How to differientiate between kampungs and slums? Well kampungs have metered electricity, proper plumbing & sewerage, clean water and an address. Slums have none of these.

But kampungs in Singapore and Malaysia looks like slums to a certain extend thanks to the hideous zinc roofing which is cheap and rust-prone. :ohno:

Lucky for you, KL's largest kampung, Kampung Baru - which is located just across the Klang River from the Petronas Twin Towers, are stated for preservation (at least most parts of it). So in the future we would see this huge area of low-rise houses surrounded by a canyon of skyscrapers ;)

This kampung is so unique (imagine a VILLAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY!) that it is featured in National Geographic and the Discovery Channel ;)

Charlotte's 'slums'
http://www.angelfire.com/nv2/charlotte/piedmont1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/nv2/charlotte/piedmont2.html

With Rio you have to be careful - the industrial north zone of the city up to Novo Iguacu is very poor and I was shocked driving through - it makes a worse impression than the favelas - but it's NOT favelas, just lower class houses. Favelas are illegally built-up squattering neighbourhoods. But I guess the povertry there is sometimes not even as bad as in these "normal" neighbourhoods...

That is shanty!!!! :eek:
I took these photos when I arrived in Rio, 30th of September 2005!
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8614/p92001194ie.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7343/p92001203gr.jpg
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

OMG When I also went to Reo I saw exastly the same view and I was horified most of the city is covered in shanties.

:eek2:

That is what a 'city' would like if it contained all of the slums in the entire United States.

Breath the fresh air....

Those poor people. :(

lol this is the coolest thread i've have seen so far :D

Does tokyo have any slums? I don't think so...

lol this is the coolest thread i've have seen so far :D

Yeah, it's one of my favorites, too.

should we draft poor people into the world police?

ok this one is in Buenos Aires, like 10 km away from the city center


http://www.math.muni.cz/~zriha/fotky/2004/argentina.dir/hpim2021.jpg

http://villalugano.com/fotos/maxi/premetro_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/recorrida1/elefanteblanco_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/soldati/barriosoldati_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio5_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio6_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio4_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio7_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio8_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio13_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio22_maxi.jpg

http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/bgsavio/bgsavio23_maxi.jpg

:eek:
This looks as scaring and romanic as Kowloon!!
http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/soldati/barriosoldati_maxi.jpg

Some Cingapuras in Sao Paulo built in favela areas to cleanse these ones but without moving the people out of their neighbourhoods - they should replace once the slums you can still see. It's for sure a better project than the baulieux in France but also gets some contradicitons - first a lot of the promised ones are not built yet and mostly only close to the center (who cares about the south?) and a lot of faveleiros also don't want to move in because then they have to pay for electricity and the like:
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg
http://www.lenc.com.br/cingapur.jpg
http://www.edcnews.se/Images/brazilurbanslum.350.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture%20-%2001%20-%20a.jpg
http://www.oas.com.br/english/fotos/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg

There are a small number of slums in KL but they are really very few. Most are kampungs (villages). How to differientiate between kampungs and slums? Well kampungs have metered electricity, proper plumbing & sewerage, clean water and an address. Slums have none of these.

But kampungs in Singapore and Malaysia looks like slums to a certain extend thanks to the hideous zinc roofing which is cheap and rust-prone. :ohno:

Lucky for you, KL's largest kampung, Kampung Baru - which is located just across the Klang River from the Petronas Twin Towers, are stated for preservation (at least most parts of it). So in the future we would see this huge area of low-rise houses surrounded by a canyon of skyscrapers ;)

This kampung is so unique (imagine a VILLAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY!) that it is featured in National Geographic and the Discovery Channel ;)
Not so unique, Bangkok has several such communities. In fact one is located along the canal Khlong Saen Saep near Ratchaprasong which is Bangkok's prime commercial location. I can't remember its name right now (Baan Khlua?). I do not know anything much about it, but it must have been there long before this area became commercially important, because I doubt the inhabitants would have been able to afford the property prices :). Judging from the pictures it looks pretty much like all the other traditional wood houses that are still quite abundant along Bangkok's main river and canals. Now to call these "traditional villages" slums is really a matter of definition. Their inhabitants may have modest incomes but in no case are these crime ridden socially disfunctional communities, and there is no lack of basic infrastructure. They are a legacy of the times when Bangkok still was the "capital village" of pre-industrial Siam.

Courtesy of the Thai forum:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/London/DSC05293.jpg

Great thread. Pics from America in the 1940s (Alabama, Appalachia) especially vivid and intersting.

Anyone with pics of:
- slums Shanghai in the 1920s / 30s (Jiabei district, Zhaojiabang road)
- real pics (not google) of Cidade de Deus then and now (and does anyone know where the film was actually made)?

:eek:
This looks as scaring and romanic as Kowloon!!
http://www.villalugano.com.ar/fotos/maxi/soldati/barriosoldati_maxi.jpg

Some Cingapuras in Sao Paulo built in favela areas to cleanse these ones but without moving the people out of their neighbourhoods - they should replace once the slums you can still see. It's for sure a better project than the baulieux in France but also gets some contradicitons - first a lot of the promised ones are not built yet and mostly only close to the center (who cares about the south?) and a lot of faveleiros also don't want to move in because then they have to pay for electricity and the like:
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg
http://www.lenc.com.br/cingapur.jpg
http://www.edcnews.se/Images/brazilurbanslum.350.jpg
http://idol.union.edu/~micklasc/Brazil/Picture%20-%2001%20-%20a.jpg
http://www.oas.com.br/english/fotos/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg
You repeated something I had already shown,... :sleepy: And these cover just 12% of the former slum-dwellers...

The worst are in Mumbai IMO from waht i've seen.

Here's a few more old pics of American slums.

This is a colorized version of (I think) Mulberry St. in lower Manhattan, somewhere around the turn of the century:
http://family.ragozzino.net/photos/mulberry_st_1900.jpg

Now for some others . . .

http://www.ralfackerknecht.de/new_york_historisch/hinterhof1.JPG

http://www.ralfackerknecht.de/new_york_historisch/hinterhof2.JPG

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5536/1449eu.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/777/1699jh.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5185/1703cs.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7332/193pq.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8131/1230hx.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4672/1254dw.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6185/imagesh1uc.jpg

Hong Kong:

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/3909/p10100151mk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Not so unique, Bangkok has several such communities. In fact one is located along the canal Khlong Saen Saep near Ratchaprasong which is Bangkok's prime commercial location. I can't remember its name right now (Baan Khlua?). I do not know anything much about it, but it must have been there long before this area became commercially important, because I doubt the inhabitants would have been able to afford the property prices :). Judging from the pictures it looks pretty much like all the other traditional wood houses that are still quite abundant along Bangkok's main river and canals. Now to call these "traditional villages" slums is really a matter of definition. Their inhabitants may have modest incomes but in no case are these crime ridden socially disfunctional communities, and there is no lack of basic infrastructure. They are a legacy of the times when Bangkok still was the "capital village" of pre-industrial Siam.

Courtesy of the Thai forum:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/London/DSC05293.jpg


Bangkok's might be similar to KL's Kampung Baru but KL's 'kampungs' are very well organised - just that they do not looked so nice from bird's eye view due to those hideous zinc roofing. Thus many interprete em as squatters or slums which they are not. Many inhabitants are well-to-do and they own at least 2-3 cars per household. Many have digital satellite dishes as well. ;)


Here's some satellite imageries of KL's famous Kampung Baru which is just like a few hundred metres from Petronas Twin Towers. Notice the grid arrangement....semething that even KL's CBD is lacking of! :D

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/Google%20Earth%20Satellite%20Pictures/Kg.jpg

Let's take a closer look:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/Google%20Earth%20Satellite%20Pictures/KgBaru_closeup_2004.jpg



Even closer....

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/szehoong/Google%20Earth%20Satellite%20Pictures/KgBaru_closeup_2_2004.jpg

from google earth, KG Bahru doesn't really look like slums at all, I guess they are one of the closest thing to KL slums. I read though there's a plan to redevelope the area. Gentrification anyone?

Does tokyo have any slums? I don't think so...
It has wooden shacks and some cages, where people live in. But they are not as many. And mostly inhabited by burakudin...

more pics pls. of your cities run down /worst or slum areas !!!!!and please only! new photos not some from the 80 ties or 90 ties

Hood:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5250/hood4xi.jpg

I love that Pittsburgh pic:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-705.0221.ka;viewid=0221KA.TIF;cc=ka;c=ka;quality=2

Are they really slums? If they are really slums, then Canada&US have a lot of these right now, in some worst smaller city, not just in Chicago, LA, SF, the South, Philly or NYC.

A webpage showing some Detroit slums

http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=163808567&security=JBeEGX

Not all dirty buildings are slums. :D

Singapore HAD slums.

Now many of them are conserved and re-adapted into anything from hotels to offices.


not all are Re-adapted into anyting from Hotels to Offices


These Pics taken a Week ago in Singapore:

I like this Building Tho to me it looks cool

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3885/dsc047508ad.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3361/dsc047520kv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

the Land in Front is on Sale
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5816/dsc051631kh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/346/dsc051710pv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9691/dsc051205mg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/93/dsc051197xx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5501/dsc050153dx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/9126/dsc051602pe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VIDEO OF CARACAS' SLUMS (29:00 APROX.):

http://www.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/draft/jfrankfurt/d_urbana.ram

Manila:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=manila&t=k&om=1&ll=14.46856,120.964376&spn=0.003818,0.00677

People have taken up residence inside the interchange loops there:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=manila&t=k&om=1&ll=14.862744,120.858879&spn=0.007622,0.01354

I dont know about the definition of "slum" in America. However, I have personally seen and witnessed 6 santytowns in America. These rank right along with the worst favelas in Brazil, Nairobi etc......with the exception of ones built on refuse dumps. I also have a right to speak of them because I used to live in one.


There is a shantytown in Odessa, TX called "Little Mexico" which has nothing to do with race seeing as a quarter of the population is non-hispanic, but it is known that because of the living conditions there. At the high-point, it housed about 5,00 people..in the 80's. Now, only around 700 people live there, but its still there. Also, because of pride, it is VERY well hidden, and one has to look very hard to find it. Its on the south-west side of the city, technically outside city limits. In most respects, it is virtually undestinguishable from a shantytown in Mexico. A majority of the houses there are built with wooden pallets, galvanized tin and blue tarps. It originally sprang up after the horrific emplyment loss founded after the oil bust. I havent been back there in about 8 years, so I currently not aware of the status. Many areas on the extreme south side of Odessa look (from a distance) like shantytowns....however, looks can be decieving and really...its just a combination of older-building and dumpyards.

I have seen fullblown shantytowns on many Indian Reservations in the southwest. The most notable ones are the ones outside of Chinle, Ganado, Pine Hill, Mcartys and Tohatchi. However, these can be disputed as cultural differences. Though about 50% are shacks and shanties...the other 50% are either mobile homes or traditional hogans (on the Navajo) so many of the "shanties" can be attributed to family-related squatter or perhaps impromptu shelters.

Also, I have been to 2 more shantytowns in other locations accross America.

The shantytown is still alive here in the US. People with dirt-floors, tar-paper walls and tin roofs. However, these are extremely well hidden, and rather miniscule in size compared to those in developing countries. Also a thing to keep in mind is the rpidly fluctuating population of these shantytowns. For example, Los Dalies de Tome in the Rio Grande Valley may have 5,000 people for a few years, but..6 weeks down the road, the population may dwindle depending on the economic situation of its inhabitants.

Very interesting thread..I love looking at slums. =P
Makes me appreciate what I have even more..

very impressive

I don't think slums are something to be proud of. Slums are something to get rid of.

i remember when i was young going through this vast slum in LA.

Every city has poor parts.

Toronto had real slums in the great depression and in the early 1900's.

The city looked like a ghetto till in the 60's, then its been looking much better.

There are a quite a few commieblocks. I wouldn't call anywhere in Toronto a slum, but there are some ghettos, but there are not big areas and really i visted most and they aren't really that bad.

^^ I went to somewhere in western Toronto, in some used clothes store to buy a pair of skiing pants. One of the ugliest places I've ever seen. I can't remind the name of the subway station right now.

Manila:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=manila&t=k&om=1&ll=14.46856,120.964376&spn=0.003818,0.00677

People have taken up residence inside the interchange loops there:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=manila&t=k&om=1&ll=14.862744,120.858879&spn=0.007622,0.01354

I dont think the second link shows slums. They are just simple rural/village housing.

Here's a photo i took from a plane of the first link you posted: (slums in the foreground by the highway)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/GreyX/P1010257.jpg

^^^^

^^^^What??

A picture of Philadelphia I took in 2007, only a couple blocks from the skyscrapers. Every single house is boarded up or simply forgotten.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7092/dscn1937tu1.jpg

Another of Philadelphia, from March 2005
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4253/p1010004tf9.jpg

I'm not sure if I would call these slums, but here is a picture of some extremely dense (and brightly colored) housing next to the Jama Masjid in Delhi:

http://jaylichtman.com/posted/jaylichtman-dense-housing-near-jama-masjid-500.JPG

Some Paris "slums"

http://erasmus.m0k.org/bobignystyle.jpg

http://www.jeremy-henderson.co.uk/gallery/albums/Nanterre,QuartierPicasso/DSC00369.jpg

http://www.92express.net/92ex/images_ciel/luth.jpg

http://www.bonvie.info/duchere_1.jpg

http://www.cndp.fr/archivage/Valid/Videos/3142/3142-107-115.jpg

Are you joking? Do you know what a slum is? All those blocks you showed have running water, electricity, elevators, heating...people pay a rent (even if as these are public housing projects rents are realy realy low)!

Some misc USA slums from the air.

These don't include any public housing projects.

South Bronx
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3354/bronxslumsh8.jpg

Brooklyn (Bedford-Stuyvesant)
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9345/brooklynslumgj8.jpg

Cleveland
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9595/clevelandslumtc1.jpg

Detroit.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5616/detroitslumcf5.jpg

Newark
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4779/newarkslumsq0.jpg

Another St Louis
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6443/stlouisslumjn3.jpg

And some aerials of "slums" in Miami.

The blue roof things are tarpolins placed atop roofs over damage from a recent hurricane.

Allapattah
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3089/allapattah1se.jpg

Glenwood Heights
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8895/glenwoodheights2lp.jpg

Liberty City
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1643/libertycity4mp.jpg

Little Haiti
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7514/littlehaiti1ze.jpg

75% slums in Dhaka have been recently evicted.....a few slums will remain until the rehousing process is complete.

Thank you Bond for posting those pictures! I'm absolutely fascinated / astonished at how vibrant and alive the Eastside (?) of Manhattan used to be, at the peak of Italian immigration.

It's really sad to see how such an upbeat, thriving community can just plummet to hell with a 'mere' demographic shift. If only it were possible to sustain once-healthy communities forever, the NY's and LA's of the world would be much nicer to drive through.

And, I'm sick of hearing people talk about white slums and black slums. The fact is, it's not even about race anymore. It may have been at one point, but it's just not the case in this day and age. I think it's obvious most big-city American ghettos are comprised mainly of blacks and hispanics, and that most Brazilian slums possess more black people than Canada has altogether, but I can't stand it when people attach an ethnicity to a city's ghetto.

Don't really know where I'm going with this, but thanks for hearing me out :)

This thread is fantastic, thank you all for your pictures.

The worst slums in Canada probably are within Indian reserves in Northern Ontario or Yukon. BC has some nasty reserves too, they kind of remind me of some of Bond James Bond's amazing photos. It's a shame most people don't ever see them or even know they exist...

When I was in South America the most shocking country in terms of slums was def. Brazil. I don't know if there is more poverty, but the slums are right there, you see them from the highway in the suburbs and in Rio they're in the mountains sort of right on top of you, everywhere you turn. When I was in Chile and Argentina I rarely saw any slums, but that doesn't mean there isn't any, it means they are well hidden (not necessarily good). Those pictures of Buenos Aires commie blocks aren't at all representative of the poorest of the poor. They're more like the posh areas of the poor hoods :D

This thread is fantastic, thank you all for your pictures.

The worst slums in Canada probably are within Indian reserves in Northern Ontario or Yukon. BC has some nasty reserves too, they kind of remind me of some of Bond James Bond's amazing photos. It's a shame most people don't ever see them or even know they exist...

When I was in South America the most shocking country in terms of slums was def. Brazil. I don't know if there is more poverty, but the slums are right there, you see them from the highway in the suburbs and in Rio they're in the mountains sort of right on top of you, everywhere you turn. When I was in Chile and Argentina I rarely saw any slums, but that doesn't mean there isn't any, it means they are well hidden (not necessarily good). Those pictures of Buenos Aires commie blocks aren't at all representative of the poorest of the poor. They're more like the posh areas of the poor hoods :D

Exactly!!!; the people living in those commieblocks are very poor, but they live a little better than other parts of that neighbourhood in Buenos aires.

This thread still extists as it seems... thanks for revitalization. Here a pic of one of my favourits: Rocinha - not exactly a "slum", but a sqauttering (favela), that became a city within the city with all its organization (pop 75-300'000, no one really knows ;)):
http://www.lif.coppe.ufrj.br/rio/images/FavelaRocinha.JPG

^
I'm convinced that a lot of those hillside favelas would actually look cool if they painted them all-white. It would look like a Greek village!

http://www.thegreektravel.com/ios/ios-village-3.jpg

this thread is interesting

but yeah i don't understand why the authority in Brazil don't crack down the slumps there......it's not;s just architecturally speaking but the crime rate in those slumps are pretty high.
demolish everything and build decent apartment or housing blocks....i think Brazil is not that poor a country. or they want to keep the slumps for the tourism industry?

But no other Latin American country builds more social housing than Brazil!

The problem is not that Brazil is poor but the horrible extreme Gini-coefficient. I think it's worldwide the third worst country in wealth distribution! What they need is finally a communist revolution. But it never will happen because the catholic church tells the poor it's God given that they have to live like that and the Evangelists take the last Real out of the pocket of the poorest :ohno:

The problem is not that Brazil is poor but the horrible extreme Gini-coefficient. I think it's worldwide the third worst country in wealth distribution! What they need is finally a communist revolution. But it never will happen because the catholic church tells the poor it's God given that they have to live like that and the Evangelists take the last Real out of the pocket of the poorest :ohno:


The worst crap you have ever written! And when you show Rocinha, how about showing images of Cingapura and Parque do Gato (which was fromerly favela do Gato).
And nope, not the third worst, there are about 20 countries worse! :ohno:
Turkey and Romania are getting much closer to that also!

Parque do Gato

http://www.revistaprisma.com.br/habitacao/habitacao_13.html

Cingapura Project

http://www.oas.com.br/english/fotos/set_4infra_4urb_4.jpg
http://www.jucamartins.com/favelas1/hb24_cingapura_sp.jpg
http://www1.union.edu/micklasc/Brazil/Picture_-_05_-_e.jpg

This building is being sanitated for the "Morar no Centro" project

http://www.cohab.sp.gov.br/empreendimentos/images/hotel_são_paulo3.jpg

Hey, this thread is for showing slums, not nice and new stuff. ;)

http://www.cohab.sp.gov.br/empreendimentos/images/resid_cid_sao_paulo2.jpg
http://www.cohab.sp.gov.br/empreendimentos/images/resid_cid_sao_paulo3.jpg

will become a sanitated neighbourhood, favela Heliópolis:
http://portal.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/noticias/empresas_autarquias/cohab/2006/01/0003 :banana: :cheers:

http://www.cohab.sp.gov.br/empreendimentos/images/hotel_sao_paulo1.jpg It should once be a hotel, now it is becoming space for poor people who now get the chance for decent housing downtown.

Example from Curitiba

http://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00020293.jpg
http://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00020294.jpghttp://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00014796.jpghttp://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00014795.jpg
http://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00014797.jpg
http://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00018347.jpg
http://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/Multimidias/Capa/00015691.jpg

You know exactly that I know the Cingapura and Parque do Gato projects and their history. Because of the communist revolution I was just provoking but that was obvious. The Gini coefficent IS unfortunatly one of the worst in the world, it's hard to deny. At least it's not at the end anymore... and about the religious topics: that's what a LOT of people told me in Brazil and I experienced myself. I really don't know what is so wrong with that statement apart from a little provokation :cheers:

BTW: some projects also went wrong as in France - for example the Cohab in Carapicuiba.... but that city anyway lost the connection while all the other ones around are booming :( At least they try to enforce some park projects.

The São Paulo Cingapura housing projects never solved any problem, they were mere façades to hide back slums. I don't know of any of them that really replaced a favela.
On the other hand, the Parque do Gato was created to solve a particular problem: a slum formed on the side of a river (Tamanduateí) which was very visible to a hotel right across the Tietê river; nevertheless, it's now a decent place for very poor people to live, the buildings are still quite nice.
I think other projects under way are much nicer, such as the Favela Pantanal project. It's a huge area that is now being sanitated, there are brand new school and water treatment plant in it, plus full accessibility to the city. It won't totally erradicate the slums, but will enormously reduce it.
Oh, and by the way, I happen to have a very good source: I'm a local! ;)

I have an OBJECTIVE question for any locals: How did Seoul and Bangkok solve the slums projects? Simply by building houses? And if so, are there neighboring cities with slums? I hope not, because then it would have been simply a relocation of the problem.

are there any Slums in Manila yet ? pictures please?!

Some of the Cingapuras are already surrounded by shacks of wood again. And many aof the social housing buildings are very decadent after just some years!

I'm going to bump up this classic thread! Was reading this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=736412&page=5) and was reminded of it.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/evilpandagirl/slum3.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/evilpandagirl/slum3.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/mariboe/Kenya14JanSlummen7.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/mariboe/Kenya14JanSlummen7.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/emmaaronson/IMGP2189.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/emmaaronson/IMGP2189.jpg

Madrid Spain, not a slum but a neighborhhod with hight concentration of poverty

http://urbancidades.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/4calle-bravo-murillo-con-marques-de-viana_diciembre-2007_small.jpg?w=400&h=309
http://urbancidades.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/5casa-de-corredor_tetuan_2001_small.jpg

Harlem

http://www.uta.fi/~mn68362/pics/harlem.JPG

Caracas, Venezuela

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/barrio_3.jpg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/barrio.jpg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/caracas_008.jpg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/Barrios_Caracas.jpg

Interesting thread, surprised that I missed it earlier.

Its a interesting thread indeed...

Tepito, Mexico city

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/Tepito.jpg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/mexico_5_1.jpg

Tepito is not a slum, it's the worst neighborhood of Mexico City, but those color blankets are actually are a "market", people are selling goods down there, not living there, at night the blankets get removed and you can see the street again. lol

This kind of threads seems to be only for brazilians...

Why?, Brazil is the Only country in the world with slums?, didn't you see the Caracas slums which btw is also my hometown?..

This kind of threads seems to be only for brazilians...

¬¬

I'm not anwering that... I promised to start the year peacefully.

This kind of threads seems to be only for brazilians...

Cause they're the only ones with the balls to show them.

the worst slums are still situated in africa and asia,just cos brazil is more open about what goes on within its own borders doesnt mean only brazil has got slums and im sorry to say about the slum pictures posted above of america and mexico isnt at all reflective of the kind slums that exist there,the slums in these countries are far more worse than what we see in those pictures.the slums in rio occupy some of the most expensive real estates in the world.i've seens pictures of some extremely terrible neighbourhoods of east vancouver canada littered with shit, syringes and putrid smell the way seagull smells.slums are everywhere in the world,the way some aboriginal populations in australia live wouldnt be less than slums,then there is ample poverty in america today,almost 60 million people live in less than $7-$8 a day.

every city has some slums...

Mumbai
http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/1449/48836/f/267564-Dharavi-Slum-Mumbai-0.jpg

Jakarta
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_muHMM8_R0KY/RwX84dyZ9GI/AAAAAAAABMg/jUJ8uA-XnrI/s640/P1050125.JPG

Hongkong
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20051006/DSCN1063.jpg

Some excellent photos in this thread. I especially like the old NYC photos. It was so screwed up back in the 70's...

Harlem

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/625x580ftharlem.jpg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/lak05_2008/harlem-lourdesmorta.jpg

This kind of threads seems to be only for brazilians...

Are you really from Caracas?

That's funny, because i am originary from Caracas even am living now in Madrid, and im telling you, i think Caracas slums are even worse than the Rio ones, so i still dont understand why occit say so..

Harlem pics are really awesome! :)

Port-au-Prince, Haiti
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3609/portauprincehaiticg0.jpg
http://www.designfor21st.org/upload_images/watertank.jpg
https://www.paecivpol.com/UserContent/images/photo_album/Port-au-Prince,_Haiti_2.JPG
:ohno::ohno::ohno:

It's so funny reading these people from countries like Thailand, China, Bangladesh, saying that his country has no slums. In my country, Argentina we have the slums, in Brazil there are slums, but in these two South American countries poverty is very much less than in Asian countries. The Asia and Southeast Asia are very much poorer than South America, countries such as China, India, Thailand, Bangladesh, the Philippines are much poorer than Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela. I know Rio de Janeiro, the slums and there are made of bricks, are houses with electricity, running water, televisions, some have up to computer, I recall a shantytown in Rio who had signs of internet Wi Fi. In India, China, Thailand, Indonesia are the slums of houses made of cardboard, cans, metal, zinc, where the sewer is within the home. They do not have shame because pictures and pretend they do not know it exists. The Brazilians showed their poverty is much lower than the poverty of Asian countries, but the Asian is ashamed to show the reality, think that the buildings are single-crystal thing in their cities

^^ Who from Thailand, China, Bangladesh, Philippines said that their country doesn't have slums?

Another important factor for the slums in Latin America is that in Brazil 89% of the population lives in cities, Venezuela 95% of the population lives in cities in Argentina 96% of the population lives in cities, so the city grew too fast, and there was no housing for all, some born so that future slums will become normal in neighborhoods

imagine countries like India or China where 60% of the population still lives in rural areas when they reach the level of urbanization which has South America, its cities will have many many more problems that our

In this discussion I read a Vietnamese asking because the Brazilian government does not destroy the slums and build houses and apartments, but the Asians do not know that Brazil is a democracy, and that the government can not force anyone to do anything, the government can not destroy your home, the government can only destroy your house if you leave, there is law, there is democracy, private property is inviolable, not like in China where the government sends all the poor live in rural areas and prohibits poor farmers to abandon rural areas and moving to the cities, in China the government steals their house and destroyed his house and there is what to do, no law, no right of private property, no one can challenge the government. Believe me, Brazil has no money to remove slums. Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world and has a high HDI of 0.807, the percapta income in Brazil is three times higher than in China or five times higher than in Vietnam, or eight times higher than in India, not lack the money

Slums in my city, Buenos Aires,

http://www.atributosurbanos.es/images/fotos/villa-miseria1_large.jpg

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/archivo/anexos/fotos/05/532205.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K26qJlOlqxc/SYjS0TNBaAI/AAAAAAAACS4/RrGy6zt38qk/s400/villa31_retiro.jpg

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/fotos/36/902136.jpg

I dont understand these people posting pictures of poverty in cities like NY and LA. Jesus, the house you people show are NOT slums, the people who live in REAL slums would give a hand and a foot to live in one of those houses.

If slums are the areas you showed in your photos then every single city in the world would be in this thread as every city has it's poor sides, but slums are another thing.

It's so funny reading these people from countries like Thailand, China, Bangladesh, saying that his country has no slums. In my country, Argentina we have the slums, in Brazil there are slums, but in these two South American countries poverty is very much less than in Asian countries. The Asia and Southeast Asia are very much poorer than South America, countries such as China, India, Thailand, Bangladesh, the Philippines are much poorer than Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela. I know Rio de Janeiro, the slums and there are made of bricks, are houses with electricity, running water, televisions, some have up to computer, I recall a shantytown in Rio who had signs of internet Wi Fi. In India, China, Thailand, Indonesia are the slums of houses made of cardboard, cans, metal, zinc, where the sewer is within the home. They do not have shame because pictures and pretend they do not know it exists. The Brazilians showed their poverty is much lower than the poverty of Asian countries, but the Asian is ashamed to show the reality, think that the buildings are single-crystal thing in their citiesI would like to reiterate what Imperfect Ending has asked you: Who exactly from Thailand, China, Bangladesh, Philippines etc has said that their country doesn't have slums??

At least nobody from Asia is trying to prove that their cities are hopeless... They are actually trying to prove the opposite! The only images of many cities in Asia ARE the slums, and many SSCers from those countries would want to show that there are other, more positive sides to their cities. But just to feed your sadism, here you go: All the images of Asian slums you'd need to make you feel you are better than other unfortunate human beings! :no:

Mumbai
http://lebbeuswoods.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/slum-mumbai1.jpg
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/chimage.php?image=2007/2064/india1.jpg
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/media/images/mumbai-slum-demolition.jpg

Manila
http://www.sasha-says.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/manila_slums.jpg
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/81/102981-004-F44D65D1.jpg
http://www.hobotraveler.com/blogphotos/187-02-beggar-in-manila.jpg

Jakarta
http://revolusibudaya.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/jakarta_slum2.jpg
http://tbelfield.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/poor_p4b.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42971000/jpg/_42971477_indonesia_afp416b.jpg

Bangkok
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//61/2/612bff5091c17c9ba05a6e77f354b6fe.jpg
http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=260&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=2829905
http://www.hobotraveler.com/blogphotos/195-11-begger-inside-jj-market-thailand.jpg

Dhaka
http://proxied.changemakers.net/journal/02january/reddy4.jpg
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/090327/GAL-09Mar27-1793/media/PHO-09Mar27-155962.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/2281371413_c6372beb72_m.jpg

Satisfied? :ohno:

In Russia, some of the provincial cities have supposed slums. They are mostly houses built from 50 to 100 years ago. They are very basic and very run down. However, in between there are sometimes newly built brick houses. So its common to see a supposed shack right next to a two to three-story brick house.

This is about as bad as it gets.

Krasnoyarsk
http://i42.tinypic.com/fwj0oi.jpg

Astrakhan
http://i44.tinypic.com/20kf78y.jpg

Novosibirsk
http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi4pbd.jpg

Moscow (1960s) since then all houses have been demolished, giving way to acres and acres of concrete apartment blocks.
http://i41.tinypic.com/294m73q.jpg

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The Asia and Southeast Asia are very much poorer than South America, countries such as China, India, Thailand, Bangladesh, the Philippines are much poorer than Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela.

...and countries like Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela are much poorer than..

Singapore $51,142
Brunei $50,117
Japan $34,100
Taiwan $30,881
South Korea $27,647

Argentina $14,413
Brazil $10,326
Venezuela $12,785

GDP per capita (IMF 2008)

...and countries like Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela are much poorer than..

Singapore $51,142
Brunei $50,117
Japan $34,100
Taiwan $30,881
South Korea $27,647

Argentina $14,413
Brazil $10,326
Venezuela $12,785

GDP per capita (IMF 2008)

:lol::lol:

These countries are rich and developed part of Asia

Asia has more than 40 countries and only these are developed. Taiwan, Singapore and Brunei are very small islands or countries are considered

Japan and South Korea are countries of truth, and are developed, but do not represent either 10% Asia

I was talking about countries such as these:

China U$ 3,315
India: U$ 1,016
Thailand: U$ 4,115
Indonesia: U$ 2,246
Philipines: U$ 1,866
Pakistan: U$ 1,044
Vietnam: U$ 1,040
Bangladesh U$ 506 :ohno::ohno:

Argentina: U$ 8,214
Brazil: U$ 8,197
Chile: U$ 10,124
Venezuela: U$ 11,388

GDP per capita (IMF 2008)


And, this:

HDI 2006/2008 UN:

Brazil: 0,807
Argentina: 0,860
Venezuela: 0,826
Chile: 0,874



India: 0,619 :ohno:
China: 0,762
Indonesia: 0,726
Philipines: 0,745
Vietnam: 0,718
Pakistan: 0,562 :ohno::ohno:
Bangladesh: 0,524 :ohno::ohno:
Uzbekistan: 0,701
Tajikistan: 0,684
Turkmenistan: 0,720


And this:

Population living under 1.25 and
2 dollar (PPP) a day (%)

Brazil: 7,8% and 18,3%
Argentina: 4,5% and 11,3%
Chile: 2% and 5,3%
Colombia: 15,4% and 26,3%
Venezuela: 18,4% and 31,7%



India: 41,6% and 75,6% :ohno::ohno:
Indonesia: 21,4% and 53,8% :bash:
China: 15.9% and 36.3%
Pakistan: 22.6% and 60.3% :ohno:
Philipines: 22,6% and 45% :ohno:
Vietnam: 21.5% and 48.4% :bash:
Uzbekistan: 46.3% and 76.7%

Asia is very much poorer than that of South America, the slums of Asia are the largest and poorest of the world, and there are Asian who criticize Brazil or other South American country

:lol::lol:

These countries are rich and developed part of Asia

Asia has more than 40 countries and only these are developed. Taiwan, Singapore and Brunei are very small islands or countries are considered

Japan and South Korea are countries of truth, and are developed, but do not represent either 10% Asia

I was talking about countries such as these:

China U$ 3,315
India: U$ 1,016
Thailand: U$ 4,115
Indonesia: U$ 2,246
Philipines: U$ 1,866
Pakistan: U$ 1,044
Vietnam: U$ 1,040
Bangladesh U$ 506 :ohno::ohno:

Argentina: U$ 8,214
Brazil: U$ 8,197
Chile: U$ 10,124
Venezuela: U$ 11,388

GDP per capita (IMF 2008)


And, this:

HDI 2006/2008 UN:

Brazil: 0,807
Argentina: 0,860
Venezuela: 0,826
Chile: 0,874



India: 0,619 :ohno:
China: 0,762
Indonesia: 0,726
Philipines: 0,745
Vietnam: 0,718
Pakistan: 0,562 :ohno::ohno:
Bangladesh: 0,524 :ohno::ohno:
Uzbekistan: 0,701
Tajikistan: 0,684
Turkmenistan: 0,720


And this:

Population living under 1.25 and
2 dollar (PPP) a day (%)

Brazil: 7,8% and 18,3%
Argentina: 4,5% and 11,3%
Chile: 2% and 5,3%
Colombia: 15,4% and 26,3%
Venezuela: 18,4% and 31,7%



India: 41,6% and 75,6% :ohno::ohno:
Indonesia: 21,4% and 53,8% :bash:
China: 15.9% and 36.3%
Pakistan: 22.6% and 60.3% :ohno:
Philipines: 22,6% and 45% :ohno:
Vietnam: 21.5% and 48.4% :bash:
Uzbekistan: 46.3% and 76.7%

Asia is very much poorer than that of South America, the slums of Asia are the largest and poorest of the world, and there are Asian who criticize Brazil or other South American country

How convenient for you.

You are a genius. You must have received your degree from a South American university :nuts:. Institutions that are renowned for world class economists. Asia has 60% of the world population (vs 6% for S. America). You are comparing apples with oranges. According to your analysis, small rich countires in Asia do not count because they are "small". Of what importance is the small population of South America to the world given that it has only 6% of the global population ?

If you compare the poorest Asians with the poorest South Americans, you get half a picture. Why don't you compare the richest countries in South America and compare it with the richest in Asia? That would be too painful wouldn't it?

This thread is indecent. Please show at least respect for people who live in these conditions.

the only real "slums" that exist in the US nowadays are on the US-mexico border. they are usually 30 min away from cities and far from major roads/highways to avoid exposure because the residents are illegals. most of these places don't even have running water or electricity as they are transported by the employers of the laborers who live there.

Asia is very much poorer than that of South America, the slums of Asia are the largest and poorest of the world, and there are Asian who criticize Brazil or other South American country

And you get back by doing the same exact thing against Asia?
Okay:dance2:

Might have been posted already--I only went through the first 10, but heres a few cool pics of slums, some of my favorites at least. I particularily like the idea of the "urban maze" and "slum skyscrapers"---lots of interconnected buildings built on top of each other--organized chaos.

"Garbage City" in Cairo:
http://xc9.xanga.com/f08f3a6520732236818820/w187140698.jpg

Petare, Venezuala:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/TheBlackGhost/PetareVenezuala.jpg

Kibera slum (nairobi) pics
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5210/5280206945_2ba7970636_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280206945/
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5170/5280820674_31b6ff96ff_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280820674/in/photostream/
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5170/5280214519_a4617c97f9_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280214519/in/photostream/
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5161/5280807760_8eb438fab8_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280807760/in/photostream/
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5280199415_1228ae604d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280199415/in/photostream/
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5089/5280818240_85cb5c50b0_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miekus/5280818240/in/photostream/

slum graffiti....:cool:

Slums in south america are my favorite. :D

They seem like they form a mountain with the upwards building of them, and so are really colorful and surrounded by a lot of greenery (I've seen this more in brazil). Making them a little less of a pain to look at when compared to say Kibera or slums in other cities.

^^
Like it?

Slum in Salvador(third largest city in Brazil)
http://i31.tinypic.com/mwwgh1.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2lj2cn7.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/icnw4i.jpg

Photos take by myself...

^^ beautiful, this is exactly what I was talking about. From aerial views they don't look that bad. Looks pretty "clean" compared to other slums (such as kibera :lol: :jk:).

An old slum in Hong Kong Shek Kip Mei.

http://favelaissues.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/img_2444.jpg?w=510&h=382

A great fire was the catalyst for change. Social housing was the answer. 6-8 people were given a 11 to 28 sq m room.

http://favelaissues.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/img_2448.jpg?w=510&h=382

I found the old images on this great blog.

http://favelissues.com/

This is the area now photographed by me. In the foreground the oldest remaining social housing. After that newer generations of social housing blocks. And on the left you can see the city is still progressing replacing the rectangular blocks with modern typical vertical blocks.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4989492758_4da18509e4_b.jpg

This building (the same as the one in the foreground of the previous image) is a major monument in Hong Kong. The last of its type remaining to house the people of the great fire in at the time very poor circumstances.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/4969961363_da46e8b44c_b.jpg

Yeah, I thought you had to be rich to live in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong has the worst GNI coefficient of the developed world, the rich are immensely rich and pay almost no taxes. As a result GDP per capita becomes an almost useless measure of wealth. As my former Hong Kong boss explained to me two economies live basically next to each other. As a European it's an odd sight to see such wealth and poverty so close to each other but here it seems socially accepted.

These people only needed a terrain in a street with infrastructure. Look at the houses they built at the mountais.

Living in organized neighboors would bring these people much more self esteem and less discrimination. The government here in Brasil is crap, people are dumb, most of the population always defend the right of the slumn dwellers to mantain their houses forever, in my opnion they should wish the end of the irregular ocupation and posterior realocation in another place or even at the same place with new buildings and large streets.

Most of that comes from the meaning to us brazilians to live in a neighborhood as near as possible from the city's financial center. Thats one of the reasons many people (not the majority) live in Skyscrapers here.

Might have been posted already--I only went through the first 10, but heres a few cool pics of slums, some of my favorites at least. I particularily like the idea of the "urban maze" and "slum skyscrapers"---lots of interconnected buildings built on top of each other--organized chaos.

"Garbage City" in Cairo:
http://xc9.xanga.com/f08f3a6520732236818820/w187140698.jpg



Would love to see more photos of this place. It's so surreal

Gypsy slums in Slovakia:
Kolackov
http://www.kolackov.ocu.sk/sk/Image/romovia/romv.jpg
http://www.staralubovna.sk/resources/App/200808291231160.kolackov1.jpg
http://udalosti.noviny.sk/uploads/tx_media_files/thumbs/800x448/web-pavlikova-hokej_v_osade2_204061.jpg?4
Richnava
http://image.tvnoviny.sk/media/images/580xX/Jul2011/2235881.jpg
http://img.geocaching.com/cache/log/170bb5e5-ad95-4cf4-8462-178bb4df87f7.jpg
http://www.richnava.sk/upload/Image/Fotogaleria/Cigani_2004/11.JPG
http://www.richnava.sk/upload/Image/Fotogaleria/Cigani_2004/07.JPG
Letanovce
http://www.gjm.cz/data/gallery/ctvrtaci-na-exkurzi-na-slovensku/prvni-den-letanovce-romska-osada.jpeg
http://i.idnes.cz/07/111/maxi/TOM1ee84d_Letanovce_7.jpg
http://i.idnes.cz/11/031/cl5/TOM39abe5_Letanovce_1.jpg
http://krtkovander.sk/files/obrazky/uakcie/090103Zimny-prechod/P1000165.JPG
Jarovnice
http://m4.aimg.sk/fdetail/mf_294846347_05236aa91bf43a1e3b4532c40e6e1876.jpg
http://m1.aimg.sk/forig/f_294844892_4e9b1957c73d7ec9a5c9035dee74de36.jpg
http://m2.aimg.sk/forig/f_294843813_d2b2345c72b8c092a9fce012ac8041d9.jpg
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/0/60/6011310/PK_090811_Jarovnice5_TIM-r541.JPG
Velka Lomnica
http://img.radio.cz/pictures/romove/slovensko/velka_lomnice_osada.jpg
http://udalosti.noviny.sk/uploads/tx_media_files/thumbs/800x448/poziar_8841.jpg

I know there are slums in almost all over the world
but this photos are really despressing to look at.