Population on July 1 Change
2008 2009 2010 08 - 10
========= ========= ========= =======
St Johns,NL 187,200 189,800 192,300 4,900
Halifax,NS 392,800 397,700 403,200 10,400
Moncton,NB 132,600 134,900 137,300 4,700
Saint John,NB 126,300 127,200 128,000 1,700
Saguenay,Que 151,700 151,600 152,200 500
Québec,Que 738,300 745,600 754,400 16,100
Sherbrooke,Que 192,400 194,900 197,300 4,900
Trois-Rivières,Que 144,500 145,400 146,500 2,000
Montréal,Que 3,765,400 3,818,700 3,859,300 93,900
Ottawa-Gatineau,Ont-Que 1,200,400 1,218,500 1,239,100 38,700
Kingston,Ont 159,700 161,000 162,500 2,800
Peterborough,Ont 120,900 121,000 121,100 200
Oshawa,Ont 354,000 359,100 364,200 10,200
Toronto,Ont 5,535,700 5,634,500 5,741,400 205,700
Hamilton,Ont 729,200 734,600 740,200 11,000
St Catharines-Niagara,Ont 403,300 403,800 404,400 1,100
Kitchener-Waterloo,Ont 481,700 486,900 492,400 10,700
Brantford,Ont 137,400 138,200 139,100 1,700
Guelph,Ont 135,100 136,600 138,200 3,100
London,Ont 485,900 489,000 492,200 6,300
Windsor,Ont 333,100 332,000 330,900 - 2,200
Barrie,Ont 187,600 189,200 190,900 3,300
Greater Sudbury,Ont 165,100 164,900 164,700 - 400
Thunder Bay,Ont 126,500 126,500 126,700 200
Winnipeg,Man 732,200 742,400 753,600 21,400
Regina,Sask 205,800 210,400 215,100 9,300
Saskatoon,Sask 251,000 258,000 265,300 14,300
Calgary,Alta 1,187,300 1,220,400 1,242,600 55,300
Edmonton,Alta 1,127,600 1,156,500 1,176,300 48,700
Kelowna,BC 175,000 178,100 178,900 3,900
Abbotsford-Mission,BC 168,900 171,900 174,300 5,400
Vancouver,BC 2,279,500 2,337,200 2,391,300 111,800
Victoria,BC 348,100 354,000 358,100 10,000


Source: Statscan

Those are some pretty impressive growth numbers for Winnipeg.

thats over 2 yrs though rtd

So what? That is a solid two years worth of growth for Winnipeg. Are you trying to imply that this is bad? We are about to overtake both Quebec City and Hamilton for either sixth or seventh largest city in Canada. Not too shabby IMO compared to the stagnation that was the 1990s.

St. John's is a couple of thousand higher then the city predictions!!

Look at Saskatoon and Regina. Those cities are seeing some serious growth

Those are some pretty impressive growth numbers for Winnipeg.
That's the most growth Winnipeg has seen in 20 years. Not too shabby.

I can see Saskatoon would become a major urban center in the next 20 years.

Metro Vancouver is growing fast as well. Most people here actually consider the "Abbotsford-Mission" region is part of metro Vancouver and that'd even make the growth numbers look more impressive.

Notice the good growth for all western Canadian cities.... and Toronto. The rest of the country - not so much.

I can see Saskatoon would become a major urban center in the next 20 years.

Metro Vancouver is growing fast as well. Most people here actually consider the "Abbotsford-Mission" region is part of metro Vancouver and that'd even make the growth numbers look more impressive.

I agree that Abbotsford-Mission ought to be included with metro Van.

Notice that GTA + H is now well over 7 million.

thunderbay grew two witch is amazing considering they have been loosing people for yrs

Those are some pretty impressive growth numbers for Winnipeg.

Yeah, that is the one that blows me away, too. Half the growth of Calgary! Well done, 'Peg!!


Welcome back to the forums, Gdoggy! You are one of the longest members around here! :banana:

20 fastest growing Census Metropolitan Areas 2008-2010
% change

Saskatoon: 5.70
Vancouver: 4.91
Calgary: 4.66
Regina: 4.52
Edmonton: 4.32

Toronto: 3.72
Moncton: 3.54
Ottawa: 3.22
Abbotsford-Mission: 3.20
Winnipeg: 2.92

Oshawa: 2.88
Victoria: 2.87
Halifax: 2.65
St Johns: 2.62
Sherbrooke: 2.55

Montreal: 2.49
Guelph: 2.30
Kelowna: 2.23
Kitchener-Waterloo: 2.22
Quebec City: 2.18

Yes, Thunder Bay certainly booming but it's nice to see that after a decade of decline the bleeding has finally stopped.
As an ex-Londoner it's a bit of a sad day. We all knew it would happen but now it's official..............London has been kicked out of the top 10 by KW.
Another very interesting to note..............look at the last 6 cities. All in BC and Alberta and all 6 cities saw a decline in the population growth without exception. Once booming Kelowna has slowed to a crawl. This while Toronto and Ottawa have increased their growth rate. The bleeding from Ontario has stopped.
Another very interesting point is the comparison between Calgary and Ottawa. The difference between the two is only 3,000 and Calgary grew much faster but when examining the figures more closely you note that Calgary's population growth rate from 33,000 to 22,000 while Ottawa's went from 16,000 to 21,000. If that trend continues is it possible that Ottawa will take back it's number 4 spot? It's VERY possible with 1 or 2 years.

If people move within the country during cyclical boom times to get a "job", there must be good reasons for them to stay during slowdowns.. or they will pack up and move home. I think in Canada we sometimes forget how temporary population shifts can be for people who are just relocating "to work", like the fellow I know who relocated to Fort McMurray for a job. There is nothing really there to keep him and as soon as he tires of the job, he will move back.

We are about to overtake both Quebec City and Hamilton for either sixth or seventh largest city in Canada. Not too shabby IMO compared to the stagnation that was the 1990s.

How can you overtake them if you they never passed you in numbers?

Places like Calgary have largely moved away from being temporary job sites in the eyes of migrant workers. Eventually people lay down roots.

How are those metros measured?

Some places use the entire county they're in, and others just use what towns are butted up against the city limits.
Fair? Nah.

How can you overtake them if you they never passed you in numbers?

I looked at the numbers again. Winnipeg is already ahead of Hamilton in 8th place; I thought we were still behind them. Winnipeg will likely overtake Quebec City next year for 7th (most populace City in Canada) place.

20 fastest growing Census Metropolitan Areas 2008-2010
% change

Saskatoon: 5.70
Vancouver: 4.91
Calgary: 4.66
Regina: 4.52
Edmonton: 4.32

Toronto: 3.72
Moncton: 3.54
Ottawa: 3.22
Abbotsford-Mission: 3.20
Winnipeg: 2.92

Oshawa: 2.88
Victoria: 2.87
Halifax: 2.65
St Johns: 2.62
Sherbrooke: 2.55

Montreal: 2.49
Guelph: 2.30
Kelowna: 2.23
Kitchener-Waterloo: 2.22
Quebec City: 2.18

Thanks! I was hoping someone would do that

20 fastest growing Census Metropolitan Areas 2008-2010
% change

Saskatoon: 5.70
Vancouver: 4.91
Calgary: 4.66
Regina: 4.52
Edmonton: 4.32

Toronto: 3.72
Moncton: 3.54
Ottawa: 3.22
Abbotsford-Mission: 3.20
Winnipeg: 2.92

Oshawa: 2.88
Victoria: 2.87
Halifax: 2.65
St Johns: 2.62
Sherbrooke: 2.55

Montreal: 2.49
Guelph: 2.30
Kelowna: 2.23
Kitchener-Waterloo: 2.22
Quebec City: 2.18

Where are these numbers from because they're different then these.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-214-x/2009000/t014-eng.htm

The 20 fastest growing from 09/10

Rate per thousand.

Saskatoon 27.67
Vancouver 22.88
Regina 22.34
Toronto 18.80
Calgary 18.08

Moncton 17.73
Edmonton 17.02
Ottawa-Gatineau 16.76
Winnipeg 14.95
Oshawa 14.20

Abbotsford-Mission 14.04
Halifax 13.73
St Johns 13.29
Sherbrooke 12.27
Québec 11.62

Guelph 11.44
Victoria 11.33
Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo 11.25
Montreal 10.58
Kingston 9.73

So what's going on in Moncton right now? Didn't think they'd have such high growth.

And I wonder why Kelowna's growth dropped off recently.

Smaller markets are prone to wilder rides with the numbers. All it takes is one or two large developments to increase the growth rates one or two years only to see the figures drop soon after. Kelowna could pop back up again in the next few years.

. 1976 1986 1996 2006 2010
========= ========= ========= ========= =========
Toronto, Ont 2,803,100 3,607,600 4,444,700 5,113,100 5,741,400
Montréal, Que 2,802,500 3,032,000 3,359,000 3,635,600 3,859,300
Vancouver, BC 1,166,300 1,451,600 1,891,400 2,116,600 2,391,300
Calgary, Alta 469,900 692,100 851,600 1,079,300 1,242,600
Ottawa-Gat., Ont-Que 693,300 848,700 1,030,500 1,130,700 1,239,100
Edmonton, Alta 554,200 797,700 891,500 1,034,900 1,176,300
Québec, Que 542,200 619,100 697,600 715,500 754,400
Winnipeg, Man 578,200 640,600 676,700 694,700 753,600
Hamilton, Ont 529,400 577,100 650,400 692,900 740,200
Kitchener-Waterloo, Ont 272,200 322,600 403,300 451,200 492,400
London, Ont 270,400 355,000 416,100 457,800 492,200
St Cath-Niagara, Ont 301,900 354,400 389,700 390,300 404,400
Halifax, NS 268,000 303,600 346,800 372,900 403,200
Oshawa, Ont 135,200 210,500 280,900 330,600 364,200
Victoria, BC 218,300 266,700 313,400 330,100 358,100
Windsor, Ont 247,600 263,000 291,700 323,300 330,900
Saskatoon, Sask 133,800 206,200 222,100 233,900 265,300
Regina, Sask 151,200 191,200 192,800 195,000 215,100
St Johns, NL 143,400 165,100 177,800 181,100 192,300
Greater Sudbury, Ont 157,000 153,300 166,200 158,300 164,700
Saguenay, Que 128,600 162,400 166,600 151,600 152,200
Saint John, NB 113,000 124,100 129,100 122,400 128,000
Thunder Bay, Ont 119,300 126,000 131,300 122,900 126,700

Note: The census data from 1976-2006 does not reflect undercounts.

I wish I could see the numbers for each city in the St. John's CMA. Guess I'll have to wait a year.

Thunder Bay?

Pfft... Sudbury got hit harder and look at that growth!

. 1976 1986 1996 2006 2010
========= ========= ========= ========= =========
Toronto, Ont 2,803,100 3,607,600 4,444,700 5,113,100 5,741,400
Montréal, Que 2,802,500 3,032,000 3,359,000 3,635,600 3,859,300
Vancouver, BC 1,166,300 1,451,600 1,891,400 2,116,600 2,391,300
Calgary, Alta 469,900 692,100 851,600 1,079,300 1,242,600
Ottawa-Gat., Ont-Que 693,300 848,700 1,030,500 1,130,700 1,239,100
Edmonton, Alta 554,200 797,700 891,500 1,034,900 1,176,300
Québec, Que 542,200 619,100 697,600 715,500 754,400
Winnipeg, Man 578,200 640,600 676,700 694,700 753,600
Hamilton, Ont 529,400 577,100 650,400 692,900 740,200
Kitchener-Waterloo, Ont 272,200 322,600 403,300 451,200 492,400
London, Ont 270,400 355,000 416,100 457,800 492,200
St Cath-Niagara, Ont 301,900 354,400 389,700 390,300 404,400
Halifax, NS 268,000 303,600 346,800 372,900 403,200
Oshawa, Ont 135,200 210,500 280,900 330,600 364,200
Victoria, BC 218,300 266,700 313,400 330,100 358,100
Windsor, Ont 247,600 263,000 291,700 323,300 330,900
Saskatoon, Sask 133,800 206,200 222,100 233,900 265,300
Regina, Sask 151,200 191,200 192,800 195,000 215,100
St Johns, NL 143,400 165,100 177,800 181,100 192,300
Greater Sudbury, Ont 157,000 153,300 166,200 158,300 164,700
Saguenay, Que 128,600 162,400 166,600 151,600 152,200
Saint John, NB 113,000 124,100 129,100 122,400 128,000
Thunder Bay, Ont 119,300 126,000 131,300 122,900 126,700

Note: The census data from 1976-2006 does not reflect undercounts.

It's amazing to see how quickly Toronto pulled away from Montreal after 1976. Between 1986 and 2010 Toronto CMA grew by 2 million whereas Montreal CMA grew by 800K. If you include GTA-H (which really includes Oshawa and Barrie as well) the numbers are even more dramatically different.

Also of note, again, Winnipeg's growth in the past 4 years exceeded the previous 20 years before that.

Calgary's doubled in 24 years.

Great chart...thanks for posting!

In case you guys are wondering London's CMA grew dramatically between 76 to 86 due to an addition of St.Thomas in the CMA. They had it included in 71 , excluded it 76, and included again in 86. That's StatsCan for ya. I still have yet to figure out what their logic is in regards of CMA.
Calgary is a great example.........it goes up to nearly Olds in the north but not on foot south of the city borders.

So what's going on in Moncton right now? Didn't think they'd have such high growth.


Moncton's a very pro business/ambitious city with focused leadership, a central location, 2 universities, and a 'yes we can' attitude. They've zoomed past Saint John.

Population on July 1
change
2006 2010 06 - 10
========= ========= =======
Durham 584,361 620,427 36,066
Halton 457,789 506,900 49,111
Peel 1,213,451 1,338,981 125,530
Toronto 2,610,617 2,720,024 109,417
York 931,874 1,040,539 108,665


Source: Statscan

I wonder why Durham sees slower growth than the rest of Toronto's suburbs. Nobody wants to live near the nuclear plants or what?

I can see Oshawa improving a lot in the future. They actively try to attract businesses to their downtown. I believe UOIT has two of its faculties downtown and they're building a downtown student residence.

Thunder Bay?

Pfft... Sudbury got hit harder and look at that growth!

You might be getting the Cliffs ferrochrome smelter too, so Sudbury will be doing well starting in a few years. We would have been a shoe-in if CN hadn't ripped up the Kinghorn line. :| We should sue them for it.

Most of Thunder Bay's growth is probably First Nations people moving into the city to find opportunity. Unfortunately for us, they don't find them. Almost 50% of our arrests last year involved public intoxication. Per capita, we arrest more drunks annually than any other city in Ontario. (We don't know how we compare to the west because we never compare ourselves to the west, even though we have more in common with them, demographically.)

^^ sounds like Thunder Bay knows how to party!

Coming from Winnipeg I know exactly what you are talking about vid, and it is hugely depressing. Almost impossible to know how or where to begin to solve the problem. Breaks my heart when I go back to the 'Peg and get a reality check with the massive social problems.

^^ sounds like Thunder Bay knows how to party!

No, it isn't partying. We have a problem with homeless people drinking hair spray, mouthwash, hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol. (It is so bad that stores downtown regularly have these items shoplifted from them.) It isn't related to partying at all, it's simply homeless people trying to drown their pain.

We finished a study looking at solutions to the problem but in most cases it involves things out of our control, like legalizing marijuana to free up police resources (a federal responsibility), establishing more alternate level of care, detox, and rehab beds to deal ease stress on the hospital and get these people the medical help they need to deal with their addictions (a provincial issue). They came up with 24 recommendations and only 2 or 3 are things the city can do alone.

It's an uphill battle, especially with the Harper government and a potential Hudak government both likely being opposed to most of the recommendations. The ironic thing is, everyone from police and judges to health care professionals, teachers, citizens and addicts (current and former) were consulted during this study and there was basically unanimous agreement on most of the points.

Coming from Winnipeg I know exactly what you are talking about vid, and it is hugely depressing. Almost impossible to know how or where to begin to solve the problem. Breaks my heart when I go back to the 'Peg and get a reality check with the massive social problems.

You need to want to better yourself; there are opportunities aplenty. If Immigrants can make it here, there is no reason why others cannot. Enough bleeding-heart attempts; they have not proved overly successful.

The removal of the ills on Main Street has made a huge difference; while it is not near what it could be, the atmosphere is so much better.

As bad as main is you should come to "The Best Place on Earth" and visit the Downtown Eastside some time. It makes Main look like Wellington Cresent.

You need to want to better yourself; there are opportunities aplenty. If Immigrants can make it here, there is no reason why others cannot. Enough bleeding-heart attempts; they have not proved overly successful.

The not-giving-a-shit approach isn't working either. For years Thunder Bay has basically been pretending they don't exist and now we have the worst problem in the country.

I'll never forget about ten years ago going home to Winnipeg, and stopping into a downtown hotel "lounge" for a drink, and watching the way the bartender treated the native customers in the bar. It was disgustingly rude, and they were not harming anyone. I did not stay as it really shook me up.

Even middle class native people here get treated poorly. There was a recent letter from a native couple complaining that the owner of a store kept following them and looking at them suspiciously even though they did nothing wrong.

Terrible for a city that is building Canada's Human Rights Museum.

Oh shut up douche bag. I have lived across the country, and Winnipeg holds no exclusive rights to racism.

A little sensitive there, eh - WinnipegPatriot?? Sure seems like it.

Cool it, guys. Please.

so what's the deal with Windsor?

so what's the deal with Windsor?

one industry town - autos

Oh shut up douche bag. I have lived across the country, and Winnipeg holds no exclusive rights to racism.

I've dealt with Andrew in other threads concerning Winnipeg. He likes to bash Winnipeg. Pay him no attention as he is not worth the time or effort.

BTW, our buddy Andrew will be eating some serious deep dish crow pizza in the upcoming weeks that I will be glad to serve him with regards to a certain Winnipeg subject. It's gonna be sweet.

Oh, and speaking or bad race relations, twice in downtown Calgary, I've seen groups of native men beat up on elderly Chinese men. What is this all about? In downtown Vancouver I've seen a native guy ride on a bike in the middle of Chinatown shouting "I want Chinese blow job! I want Chinese suckie suckie". Is this the signs of a "world class city"? In Toronto I've heard a group of young muslim men shout out to blacks to "get off the streets, ******s". Again, where is the love from Torontonians????

My point, the "pick on Winnipeg" theme is getting old. Yes, we have our issues. But those casting judgement on other cities need to examine their own first because I can match each and every one of them, wart for wart.

Sounds like you just made up those examples :lol:

But you're right, of course racism is not limited to certain areas of Canada; it's everywhere.

Sounds like you just made up those examples :lol: But you're right, of course racism is not limited to certain areas of Canada; it's everywhere.

Absolutely not. These are just the tip of the iceburg examples of blatant racism I've seen across this country (I've also been the victim of racism, but that is another story), but since this thread is not about racism (like some trolls have made it out to be), I won't go into further detail.

Now, can we please get back to the topic of this thread and stay there??????? :bash:


End rant

:cheers:

nxvlKp-76io

I've dealt with Andrew in other threads concerning Winnipeg. He likes to bash Winnipeg. Pay him no attention as he is not worth the time or effort.

BTW, our buddy Andrew will be eating some serious deep dish crow pizza in the upcoming weeks that I will be glad to serve him with regards to a certain Winnipeg subject. It's gonna be sweet.


LOL, all I did was comment on two previous posts conversing about racism in your city. Hopefully the new museum will help curb that. I've only ever knocked your Hydro Tower and the Museum not the city itself. EVER! I never eat crow pie sorry.

^^ A museum won't change people's mentality.

Folks, I HATE closing threads so let's either drop the fighting or this thread goes the way of the dodo.

London Ontario doesn't have any racial problems but that's only because if London if a viable minority family arrives it double that community's population.
London invented the term WASP.

London Ontario doesn't have any racial problems but that's only because if London if a viable minority family arrives it double that community's population.
London invented the term WASP.

A neo-nazi living outside of London on an estate with Swastikas mowed into the grass runs in every municipal election and you say London has no racial problems?

Areas with only a single race tend to be more racist. It is communities where people mix together and realize by experience that racism is bullshit that are tolerant.

So how many changes do people think are going to be on the top 20 CMAs in the next census?

For a few years Barrie was positioned to be number 20 but it seems unlikely now.

I think Toronto's may actually increase as the number new condos come online are completed.

Hurray for Sudbury. The least racist city in Canada. The natives are treated nicely, the people love each other!

Hmph.

Happy news all round, but let's get away from racism, and back to the topic please.

Happy news all round, but let's get away from racism, and back to the topic please.

Hmmmm.... Oui, Oui Monsieur!

A neo-nazi living outside of London on an estate with Swastikas mowed into the grass runs in every municipal election and you say London has no racial problems?

Areas with only a single race tend to be more racist. It is communities where people mix together and realize by experience that racism is bullshit that are tolerant.


I was kidding.

Population on July 1
change
2006 2010 06 - 10
========= ========= =======
Durham 584,361 620,427 36,066
Halton 457,789 506,900 49,111
Peel 1,213,451 1,338,981 125,530
Toronto 2,610,617 2,720,024 109,417
York 931,874 1,040,539 108,665


Source: Statscan


Interesting. Basically from now on, any population growth in Peel will have to be from densification. They are running out of empty fields in Mississauga. Halton may be the next big boom in the GTA though, due to the abundance of land between Dundas and the 407 which is slowly being converted to new housing.

According to the 2010 US census, Chicago came in at just under 2.7 million... you show Toronto at just over 2.7 million... so Toronto is now the largest city on the Great Lakes.

According to the 2010 US census, Chicago came in at just under 2.7 million... you show Toronto at just over 2.7 million... so Toronto is now the largest city on the Great Lakes.
If that's the case, that would bump Toronto up to 4th largest city in NA. Chicago's population has been declining for years as people move to the surrounding areas. But even that hasn't seen rapid growth over the past decade. 'Chicagoland' as it's called is approx. 10 MM. The boundaries are equivalent to the Greater Golden Horseshoe which is approx. 8.3 MM. Although I don't have the exact absolute growth stats for Chicagoland, I give it roughly 10-15 years before the GGHS overtakes it in population.

The Chicago-Joliet-Naperville metropolitan area and the Milwaukee–Racine–Waukesha metropolitan area (11,140,000 population) together are equivalent to the Greater Golden Horseshoe in area.

The Chicago-Joliet-Naperville metropolitan area and the Milwaukee–Racine–Waukesha metropolitan area (11,140,000 population) together are equivalent to the Greater Golden Horseshoe in area.

lol.


It's hilarious how some places count their metros.



http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/Oaronuviss/illinois.jpg

^^ Is that for real? Or did you put in the yellow?

^^ Is that for real? Or did you put in the yellow?

I did. lol. Just an over-exaggeration. BUT, they might as well!!

:cheers:

that's how a lot of people feel about the super-duper-greater-golden-horse-shoe-thingo

It's called "Tor-Buff-Chester". I think you're supposed to pronounce that with a lisp but I don't know for sure.

that's how a lot of people feel about the super-duper-greater-golden-horse-shoe-thingo

Did you do a survey? ;)

There's the "extended Golden Horseshoe" and then there's just the good old "Golden Horseshoe" which has been around for decades. The extended one is definitely stretching things (considers future growth), but the regular "Golden Horseshoe" is not (core)... Stats Canada (official government source) is often too conservative with the areas covering a "CMA". Most CMAs for Canadian cities understate the true magnitude of the greater city. The Toronto CMA, for one example, is so hugely understated that it's a joke, IMO.

This illustrates the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe

that's how a lot of people feel about the super-duper-greater-golden-horse-shoe-thingo

Or better yet the newyork, Boston, Washington d.c. Thing. Or any American metro for that matter. Might as well include Denver and Miami in Detroit's.

that's how a lot of people feel about the super-duper-greater-golden-horse-shoe-thingo

No one who lives here actually thinks of the Golden Horseshoe as one big city. That is clear once you have driven through it. People think in terms of the GTA, however, which is quite a different thing and does not include nearby Hamilton.

When you visit Chicago, it is noticeably bigger than Toronto.

Chicagoland is more a representation of the labour market pool not the 'Greater Chicago Area' as such. IMO the boundaries being used by Chicagoland are no more or less ridiculous than the Greater Golden Horseshoe in terms of cachement area, so it's a fairly reasonable apples-to-apples comparison. A lot of US cities tend to cross state boundaries so their MSA can have a larger population than the population of the state their in. NYC is a good example, with an MSA population of approx. 22 MM. New York State's population is 19.3 MM (2010 US Census).
So it's true that nobody in Toronto really considers the Golden Horseshoe one city but take a drive through Chicagoland and it's clear that it's not one built up city either.

I think there is a certain amount of confusion about "The Golden Horseshoe", probably mostly by people who don't live here... it never has been intended to represent the population of a continuous urban setting. It is just an observation that somewhere between a fifth and a quarter of all Canadians live in a relatively small industrialized region. It is akin to "The Lower Mainland" description used in BC, or "The Eastern Seaboard" in the US.

These cities do form one built up area though. There is no break between them.

(2010 Populations on July 1)
Toronto CMA 5,741,400
Hamilton CMA 740,200
Oshawa CMA 364,200

The T-H-O is surely at 7,000,000 today. Can I coin "T-H-O"? :smug:

The T-H-O is surely at 7,000,000 today. Can I coin "T-H-O"? :smug:


Its already known as the GTAH. ;)

These cities do form one built up area though. There is no break between them.

(2010 Populations on July 1)
Toronto CMA 5,741,400
Hamilton CMA 740,200
Oshawa CMA 364,200

The T-H-O is surely at 7,000,000 today. Can I coin "T-H-O"? :smug:
I agree with you 100%. Furthermore, if Canadian cities used CSA's or MSA's as a broad definition for urbanized areas, then Chicagoland and the Golden Horseshoe are comparable in what they represent. Maybe just my observation.

Then Montreal - Ottawa might as well be considered a metro area. Just saying you know...

Montreal Qc - 3,859,300
Ottawa On - 1,239,100

MO Metropolitan - 5 098 400

Then Montreal - Ottawa might as well be considered a metro area. Just saying you know...

Montreal Qc - 3,859,300
Ottawa On - 1,239,100

MO Metropolitan - 5 098 400
But what's inbetween those two cities? You know what though, a U.S. CSA might just do that :)

Then Montreal - Ottawa might as well be considered a metro area. Just saying you know...

Montreal Qc - 3,859,300
Ottawa On - 1,239,100

MO Metropolitan - 5 098 400


Montreal-Ottawa isn't even close to being like Toronto-Hamilton (or even the Golden Horseshoe). The area between Toronto and Hamilton is entirely urbanized, there is a commuter train line, and its only 60 km from the centre of one city to the other. Montreal and Ottawa on the hand are 180 km from centre to centre - most of which consisting of rural land - and are generally much more independent of each other.

Then Montreal - Ottawa might as well be considered a metro area. Just saying you know...

Montreal Qc - 3,859,300
Ottawa On - 1,239,100

MO Metropolitan - 5 098 400

Hamilton and Toronto are considerably closer together (65.7 km) than Montreal and Ottawa. Some time take a drive from Toronto to Hamilton and you will see what I mean; it is quite built up. The same is not true for the drive from Montreal to Ottawa (165.23 km), in which you will see a great deal of undeveloped farm land or treed areas. Hamilton and Toronto are not considered to be part of the same metropolitan population areas, but the argument for them being so is quite a bit more convincing than Montreal - Ottawa. ;)

:colbert: (rollseyes) geesh, always have to piss on my fresh fall of snow eh? :cry: :lol:

You are quite right - it is definitely not the same thing. Maybe if both cities promote growths towards each other, (maybe just maybe) in 200 years we can be considered a metropolitan area.

It is just one of those things you notice when you actually do the drive between cities. Toronto and Hamilton are not completely connected, but it is getting pretty close.

Toronto and Hamilton are not completely connected, but it is getting pretty close.


No, there's fully continuous development between them now. The only break is over the bay between Hamilton and Burlington.

No, there's fully continuous development between them now. The only break is over the bay between Hamilton and Burlington.
It's basically from Oshawa to Hamilton that's completely continuous urban buildup. That's roughly 120 km.

There's still a small gap between Ajax and Whitby, but that's it

No, there's fully continuous development between them now. The only break is over the bay between Hamilton and Burlington.


Sure seemed that way the last time I drove down the QE.


Missasuagua's done a great job of filling in the gap!