Created with 3DsMax, and took about a week to complete. For those that want to see what LM is getting. It isn't 100% accurate, but is effective as a massing model. If you want a perspective that isn't shown, feel free to post a request. My personal opinion is that this building is not ugly, but completely inappropriate for this location. Enjoy, if possible.

Overview from East
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Overview from West
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Greenwich St. looking north
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West and Fulton
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Looking West
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New and old WTC
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Freedom Tower versus Twin Towers
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Freedom Tower versus Sears Tower and Taipei 101
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Personal opinions about the building itself aside, I wanna say this is pretty nice. I like the different angles and comparisons, and the one with the original WTC is great to put things into perspective. Thanks for the model. :)

awesome job str, the models really show what the new wtc will really look like.

i like the 6th and 7th rendering the best. even if the freedom tower got a lattice and spire, the bold twins still dwarf it. they really gotta bring a huge change to its design for it to be appropriate for the site.

Without considering the subject matter at all, I like it. It's good to see an objective rendering of what the new WTC would look like, as opposed to the offical renderings that try to make the plan look as pretty as possible. (One rendering went as far as inflating the building dimensions to make the plan look taller!)

Without considering the subject matter at all, I like it. It's good to see an objective rendering of what the new WTC would look like, as opposed to the offical renderings that try to make the plan look as pretty as possible. (One rendering went as far as inflating the building dimensions to make the plan look taller!)Yeah, the renders for Libeskind's original tower made it look as if the building was 300 feet (I think) taller than it was supposed to be. It's kind of sad.

You should take out all the other buildings except the Freedom Tower b/c they probably aren't going to happen, certainly not in the next 10 years.

They certainly will happen.

WOW! Do you play SimCity? It uses the 3DSMax program to make 3D buildings that could be added to the game. You could Re-create New York, and add in the Freedom Tower. And you should see the WTC model by a member of Simtropolis (http://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/view.asp?mode=viewtopic&topicID=34384&num=30&pageNo=34#349506) It's really good! There is also a model of the Sears tower, and someone if working on Taipei 101.

It's good to see an objective rendering of what the new WTC would look like,

It's an accurate rendering, but I'm not sure about objective. I hate FT.

You should take out all the other buildings except the Freedom Tower b/c they probably aren't going to happen, certainly not in the next 10 years.

As I recall, they will be building the retail filled bases before they start building the office towers. So I'll add a few renderings with just the stumps.

Yeah, the renders for Libeskind's original tower made it look as if the building was 300 feet (I think) taller than it was supposed to be. It's kind of sad.

Yes, it is very, very sad.

WOW! Do you play SimCity? It uses the 3DSMax program to make 3D buildings that could be added to the game... and someone if working on Taipei 101.

Yes, I do play SC4, and I'm very interested in uploading. If you could point me in the direction of a tutorial, I'd be more tha happy to add it to Your SimNew York. Also, if would look at the last image, you'll notice a Taipei 101 already finished. All of these were originally intended for MS Flightsim 2004, and all feature lightmaps (windows that light up at night) so altering them to fit SC4 shouldn't be a big problem.

Thank you all for your kind words, and your own views on the subject.

Yes, I do play SC4, and I'm very interested in uploading. If you could point me in the direction of a tutorial, I'd be more tha happy to add it to Your SimNew York. Also, if would look at the last image, you'll notice a Taipei 101 already finished. All of these were originally intended for MS Flightsim 2004, and all feature lightmaps (windows that light up at night) so altering them to fit SC4 shouldn't be a big problem.

Thank you all for your kind words, and your own views on the subject.

What kind of Tutorials? If you let me know exactly I can get what you need, cause ther are ALOT of them.

Excellent work!

It seems very accurate and realistic. It'd be cool to see some skyline views comparing this new WTC proposal and the original WTC. Anyway, great work again.

A tutorial on how to export the 3DsMax mesh into whatever format SC4 uses.

It's an accurate rendering, but I'm not sure about objective. I hate FT, and for future reference STR stands for Sears Tower Rules!

It's more objective than the LMDC renderings.

great models!
but for the towers, they suck when compared to Taipei101

looks nice, I hope the other towers will be bigger than that though! :sleepy:

It looks very nice indeed! Great 3D modeling. When will they put out info on the towers next to the freedom tower?

Here's a few more angles and comparisons, as well as the more realistic depiction of the NWTC without the smaller office buildings.

Full-size pic from below Notice that the "memorial footprint" of Twin Tower 2 is offset from the towers actual location. This is not an error on my part, the map is from the LMDC website.
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Overview of both WTC complexes viewed from the southwest.
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Overview of both WTC complexes viewed from the northeast.
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Overview of both WTC complexes viewed from the west.
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FT and 7WTC from Greenwich St, without the secondary office towers.
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FT and 7WTC from Church and Vessey, without the secondary office towers.
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Overview of both WTC complexes, without NWTC secondary towers viewed from the southwest.
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Freedom Tower compared to Twin Towers, Sears Tower, Taipei 101, and Aon Center. Aon is included because A)It's the only remianing example of the WTC structural model and B)At 1,136ft, 83 stories, and about 2.5Msqft is about the same height and size as the Freedom Tower.
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Amazing work STR! I love all of the 3D models and comparisons. The only complaint here is that WTC towers 2-5 seem to be a good bit shorter in your models than in the most recent official master plans for the site, although none of those towers have final designs yet anyway so the exact heights are still up in the air. Also, I think these models give a better idea as to what the lattice will look like as opposed to the notoriously inaccurate official renderings, dispite lacking windmills and some other small details. Great work again.

I did the WTC models a while back, but as I recall, I averaged the figures from SSP with that of Justin Berzons webpage. I'm confident that the model depicts the eventual height far more accurately than anything from the LMDC.

That is a damned nice job STR!!!

You should do a version of Freedom Tower that shows how it would look if the lattice work at the top was filled in with floors. I really do think the building would be more acceptable to everyone if that was the case.

Get a membership at Simtropolis and PM "Rubik3", he's the one who started the World Trade Centre more than a year ago, and the BAT came out last februray, so he probably had to convert them and should know how.

I did the WTC models a while back, but as I recall, I averaged the figures from SSP with that of Justin Berzons webpage. I'm confident that the model depicts the eventual height far more accurately than anything from the LMDC.

Wait, seriously? The LMDC is the company in charge of managing entire WTC redevelopement project, which means THEY DECIDE the tower heights! Why would Berzon, some WTC conspiracy theorist who is in no way tied to the project, have any credibility in terms of pulling up height numbers for the towers, as opposed to the people who are actually going to be building the complex? Same goes for SSP, though their diagrams reflect the approximate heights as seen in the LMDC's master plan. Also, since 10msf is planned to be built, towers 2-5 can't be that short. Stick with SSP's estimates alone if anything.... I think they were something like 1,125, 1,025, 950 and 875 feet for towers 2-5.

Wait, seriously? The LMDC is the company in charge of managing entire WTC redevelopement project, which means THEY DECIDE the tower heights! Why would Berzon, some WTC conspiracy theorist who is in no way tied to the project, have any credibility in terms of pulling up height numbers for the towers, as opposed to the people who are actually going to be building the complex? Same goes for SSP, though their diagrams reflect the approximate heights as seen in the LMDC's master plan. Also, since 10msf is planned to be built, towers 2-5 can't be that short. Stick with SSP's estimates alone if anything.... I think they were something like 1,125, 1,025, 950 and 875 feet for towers 2-5.

The height limits for the shorter buildings are still up in the air, so it would make sense to combine the estimates of multiple sources.

Why would SSP's heights be any more accurate than Berzon's?

I cohse those two sources beacuse they're both fairly similar. 2 NWTC isn't going to be 1,000ft if it it's only going to have 65 stories. I don't find anything the LMDC says credible. I don't and won't ever. Those S.O.B.s robbed me and many others from ever seeing the twin towers. I won't have the oppertunity to stand in their massive presense, feel their energy. No, what I'll get to see is an apology, to the mideast, to the victims of the attack, and to those offended by the arrogance and power of the Twin Towers.

To rebuild twin towers would be an act of defiance, to build the FT is, while not submitting to the terror, is simply not enough. You can't replace an icon with something as small as this. As I said in the first post the FT isn't ugly, it just doesn't belong at the WTC site. The twin were momuments, and could only have been replaced with a another momument, not just another skyscraper, or office park.

While you may find solace with this structure, I will probably never heal. There will always be that missing experience, that dream, of two silver pillars reaching for the sky. I only have pictures, models, and the dream. Damn Pataki, damn him and his corrupt LMDC.

While you may find solace with this structure, I will probably never heal. There will always be that missing experience, that dream, of two silver pillars reaching for the sky. I only have pictures, models, and the dream. Damn Pataki, damn him and his corrupt LMDC.

I always wanted to see them too. If we ever went to New York, WTC was going to be the one place we definately went to see.. And when you describe them like two silver pillars, it sounds so neat!

the main problem with pataki i guess is that he doesn't fully appreciate the importance of the twins. he think of them as just another two skyscrapers among the thousands on this globe. so, he thinks all he need is a half-hearted effort to bring back what nyc lost architectually on that horrible day. if only he and his corrupt cronies at lmdc are not as utopian as they are today, the new set of twins will be rapidly rising out of the ground rite now...

i really wanted to see the twins too, but i came nearly a year too late... those two buildings represented the power of two standing together, and they offer a sensation of strength that so far no other buildings can boast of. and freedom tower doesn't even come close...

Good job STR, i appreciate your time in doing this, tho i didn't catch it till now,( i think i saw it last month and intended to return to it.) the view to the west is pretty cool with the mass of the other towers ( looks like the 70's rockefeller center additions) you know the row, Celanese, Exxon, McGraw/Hill. i always found that street line view of those buildings impressive. (north on ave. of the americas) even if banal. i must admit the freedom tower is one of the few towers that i've seen (in concept anyway) that looks good from one angel and bad (or to fat) from another, i think it looks best when both vertical corners are most visable. i sure hope the proposals for the other towers keep verticality in there best interest!!!

I cohse those two sources beacuse they're both fairly similar. 2 NWTC isn't going to be 1,000ft if it it's only going to have 65 stories. I don't find anything the LMDC says credible. I don't and won't ever. Those S.O.B.s robbed me and many others from ever seeing the twin towers. I won't have the oppertunity to stand in their massive presense, feel their energy. No, what I'll get to see is an apology, to the mideast, to the victims of the attack, and to those offended by the arrogance and power of the Twin Towers.

To rebuild twin towers would be an act of defiance, to build the FT is, while not submitting to the terror, is simply not enough. You can't replace an icon with something as small as this. As I said in the first post the FT isn't ugly, it just doesn't belong at the WTC site. The twin were momuments, and could only have been replaced with a another momument, not just another skyscraper, or office park.

While you may find solace with this structure, I will probably never heal. There will always be that missing experience, that dream, of two silver pillars reaching for the sky. I only have pictures, models, and the dream. Damn Pataki, damn him and his corrupt LMDC.

First off, I just want to say amazing work STR. I just found this site a couple of days ago and I've noticed that the work you do on here is incredible.

Anyways, I agree with you 100% about the Freedom Tower. Its a nice building but not for ground zero. If this was going up in midtown somewhere I'd be excited about it, but Ground Zero needs something bold and daring. While I personally never expected to see the Twins to be rebuilt I expected something massive and awe-inspiring downtown, maybe something along the lines of Burj Dubai. A big raised middle finger directed at those a$$holes that knocked the towers down, if you will. Now, on the most sacred spot in Manhattan, we see a pillar of mediocrity rising from the ashes of grandeur. Its really pretty sad. Hopefully we'll at least see 80 South Street get built so there will actually be some innovative architecture downtown.

^I Agree 100%.

Let's hope those NIMBY bastards won't stop (or shrink) 80 South.

NWTC looks shorter than i thought

^The lower buildings could end up 100ft taller than in these renderings, but they won't be the massive (vertically, I mean. The lower tower will be very, very bulky) towers that the LMDC presents them to be.