Klang Valley MRT Line 1 (Sungai Buloh-Kajang Line) | Lenght: 51km | 31 stations |Completion: 2017 [Archive]

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February 5th, 2011, 10:32 AM

January construction contracts an indicator of increasing job flow

KUCHING: The summary of total contract awarded in the construction sector in January 2011 propelled analysts to anticipate increasing jobs flow going forward as the government continued to step up the implementation of key infrastructure projects.

UPCOMING TENDERS: Ching notes that tenders for the 60 kilometre Sungai Buloh-Kajang mass rapid transit (MRT) line is expected to be called in April and awarded in May this year.

According to head analyst Bernard Ching from ECM Libra Capital Sdn Bhd (ECM Libra), awarded contracts which amounted to RM3.2 billion was largely attributed to projects by Suria Capital Holdings and a consortium which included Muhibbah Engineering (M) Bhd.

Meanwhile, tenders for the 60 kilometre Sungai Buloh-Kajang mass rapid transit (MRT) line was expected to be called in April and awarded in May this year.

“According to the Land Public Transport Commission, the public would be able to view the entire MRT network when the urban rail development master-plan is released in March. An online news portal has reported that there could even be a fourth or fifth line,” Ching said.

In other news, Malaysia Steel Works (KL) Bhd and KUB Malaysia Bhd would enter into a 60:40 joint venture agreement to build and operate a 106.5km intercity rail transit system in Iskandar Malaysia with a connection to the MRT line from Singapore. The proposed rail transit system would cost about RM1.35 billion, Ching revealed, to be undertaken on a ‘build-transfer’ and ‘own-operate’ model.

“The project will be undertaken in three phases to be completed over 24 months, followed by a 25 year concession period. Pending discussions with various authorities, the project is expected to commence no later than the third quarter of this year,” noted the head analyst.

Ching also reported that a joint venture company formed by Ekovest and Malaysian Resources Corporation Bhd (MRCB) was poised to receive a letter of award from the government for a portion the Klang Valley river beautification project that could potentially be worth some RM8 billion.

“A source said the job would pertain to the Wilayah Persekutuan side of the Klang River. The river itself spans 120km, with 40km under the purview of the federal government and the remaining 80km under the Selangor government,” he stressed.

Based on all these, ECM Libra sustained its overweight call on the sector, highlighting Gamuda Bhd as it was a likely beneficiary of the RM14 billion tunnelling portion from the MRT project.

“Sunway Holdings Bhd is also our top pick due to its undemanding valuations and synergies from the proposed merger with Sunway City,” Ching concluded.

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szehoong

February 6th, 2011, 12:30 PM

I am fine with 3 threads for 3 lines. There would be lots of discussion, pictures and article postings (God-forbids by-you-know-who). :D

So yea keep em coming. At least not too messy. :yes:

szehoong

February 6th, 2011, 12:33 PM

Possible 35 stations:

1.Sungai Buloh (interchange with KTM Komuter)
2.Kota Damansara (presumably Sunway Giza)
3.The Curve
4.1 Utama
5.TTDI
6.Tropicana City
7.Section 16 (Phileo Damansara)
8.Pusat Bandar Damansara
9.Bnagsar Shopping Centre
10.Jalan Maarof
11.Jalan Telawi
12.Bangsar (interchange with Kelana Jaya LRT)
13.Brickfield
13.KL Sentral (interchange with KJL/Monorail/ERL/KLIA Express and KTM Komuter)
14.Warisan Merdeka
15.Raja Chulan
16.Pavillion (Bukit Bintang)
17.Berjaya Times Square (interchange with Monorail)
18.KL International Financial District (possible interchange with Orange Line)
19.Jalan Cochrane
20.Maluri (interchange with Ampang LRT)
21.Taman Shamelin Perkasa
22.Kampung Cheras Baru
23.Cheras Leisure Mall
24.Taman Connaught
25.Phoenix Plaza
26.Taman Bukit Cheras
27.Taman Suntex
28.Batu 9
29.Bandar Tun Hussein Onn
30.Kawasan Perniagaan Cheras Raya
31.Balakong
32.Desa Serdang
33.Country Heights
34.Kampung Sungai Chua
35.Kajang (interchange with KTM Komuter)

Wish I could really comment - still not even sure if the line is going through Bangsar or not - but probably not as the line has been written out of Bangsar in the KL City Local Plan.

Personally, I do not mind having 3 separate threads for the 3 proposed MRT lines - but perhaps it would be good to wait for the public display before we start to confirm stations.

Cheers, m

Yea......Allurban is right.

But I kinda like this alignment. Got all my fav places in one line haha. And this passes near my place! (well......all line passes thru Cheras Baru/Bukit Mewah/Leisure Mall/Connaught so its okay for me haha). Cheras is simple......no alignment change hehe :D

bukhrin

February 6th, 2011, 03:44 PM

Yea......Allurban is right.

But I kinda like this alignment. Got all my fav places in one line haha. And this passes near my place! (well......all line passes thru Cheras Baru/Bukit Mewah/Leisure Mall/Connaught so its okay for me haha). Cheras is simple......no alignment change hehe :D

Same with you also on this one, build it in the middle or to the side of Jalan Cheras, nobody will complaint. Then no need to go all the way to the packed Tasek Selatan station. Even better if they build spur line from connaught or leisure mall to tasek selatan.

Hopefully will rejuvenate Plaza Phoenix as well. The place has been dead for too long, time to rise again.

dengilo

February 7th, 2011, 12:10 AM

But somehow i think that the tasik selatan terminal should be one of the stations on this line on its way to kajang or is it not practical?

szehoong

February 7th, 2011, 01:31 AM

Same with you also on this one, build it in the middle or to the side of Jalan Cheras, nobody will complaint. Then no need to go all the way to the packed Tasek Selatan station. Even better if they build spur line from connaught or leisure mall to tasek selatan.

Hopefully will rejuvenate Plaza Phoenix as well. The place has been dead for too long, time to rise again.

But somehow i think that the tasik selatan terminal should be one of the stations on this line on its way to kajang or is it not practical?

Bukhrin > Yea....a spur line from Leisure Mall to BTS would be good. This line should formed a loop that goes into Alam Damai and all the neighbourhood inside. If the cost is prohibitive, perhaps a monorail? :D

Dengilo > to realigned the track to BTS and then to Kajang is kinda impractical as it is not passing thru the higher density areas in Cheras. Perhaps the Seri Kembangan line could do that. :yes:

kl 2020 ideas

February 7th, 2011, 12:40 PM

But somehow i think that the tasik selatan terminal should be one of the stations on this line on its way to kajang or is it not practical?

Is the Tasik Selatan Terminal station not in Cheras?

bukhrin

February 7th, 2011, 05:53 PM

Sg Besi

allurban

February 10th, 2011, 07:05 AM

Public display for the Sg. Buloh - Kajang Line starts on 14 February.

More information at http://wp.me/piCKq-1e7

Cheers, m

XNeo

February 11th, 2011, 08:52 AM

^^ so during that day we can expect to see the propose stations and location?.

http://www.kvmrt.com.my/ only show the banner.

kl 2020 ideas

February 11th, 2011, 09:38 AM

^^ so during that day we can expect to see the propose stations and location?.

http://www.kvmrt.com.my/ only show the banner.

Yes, but I might not go for the Sg.Buloh and Kajang MRT Line. If someone's there, please post it both on this thread and the Klang Valley MRT thread.

bukhrin

February 11th, 2011, 04:18 PM

Sorry my bad

bukhrin

February 11th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Sorry my bad

mrtfreak

February 11th, 2011, 04:33 PM

Ok, no worries. My bad too.

bukhrin

February 11th, 2011, 04:40 PM

Hi friend, can you check your PM.

bukhrin

February 11th, 2011, 04:46 PM

bukhrin

February 11th, 2011, 04:48 PM

58 x 4 Cars trainset ??? WTF

szehoong

February 11th, 2011, 10:47 PM

Here's the alignment taken from www.kvmrt.com.my

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/wp-content/uploads/MapKVMRTB_opt.jpg

kl 2020 ideas

February 12th, 2011, 03:19 AM

Ok, it's up again rupanya, damn, make me scared.

Anyhow here's all the link

http://media.kvmrt.com/pdm/KVMRT_Project%20Background.pdf
http://media.kvmrt.com/pdm/Alignment_Map.pdf
http://media.kvmrt.com/pdm/Noise_Level_Table.pdf
http://media.kvmrt.com/pdm/Station_Facilities.pdf
http://media.kvmrt.com/pdm/Technical_and_Safety%20Features.jpg

Is that the official alignment? If it is, I'll change the title thread. And about the alignment, I'm really disappointed. No Tropicana City and it seems we have 1 threat on the MRT. And that is TTDI residents.:ohno:

mrtfreak

February 12th, 2011, 03:34 AM

58 x 4 Cars trainset ??? WTF
This may be the initial order with room for expansion through additional cars per train in future? Remains a bit unclear I guess.

kl 2020 ideas

February 12th, 2011, 03:42 AM

There is an alignment posted by bukhrin. Even if the line is not official. The thread title will be temporarily.

kl 2020 ideas

February 12th, 2011, 03:51 AM

Could this be the line? (leaked line alignment info posted by bukhrin)

1. Sungai Buloh (interchange with KTM Komuter)
2. Kg. Baru Sungai Buloh
3. RRIM
4. Kota Damansara
5. Taman Industri Sungai Buloh
6. PJU 5
7. Dataran Sunway
8. The Curve
9. One Utama
10. TTDI
11. Section 17
12. Section 16
13. Pusat Bandarraya Damansara
14. Semantan
15. KL Sentral (interchange with KJL, Monorail, KTM Komuter and ERL)
16. Pasar Seni (interchange with KJL)
17. Warisan Merdeka
18. Bukit Bintang West (Barat)
19. Bukit Bintang East (Timur)
20. Pasar Rakyat
21. Cochrane
22. Maluri (interchange with Ampang Line)
23. Taman Bukit Ria
24. Taman Bukit Mewah
25. Leisure Mall
26. Plaza Phoenix
27. Taman Suntex
28. Taman Cuepacs
29. Bandar Tun Hussein Onn
30. Balakong
31. Taman Koperasi
32. Taman Mesra
33. Saujana Impian
34. Bandar Kajang
35. Kajang (interchange with KTM Komuter)

*The line is still unofficial. Changes may announced tomorrow.

allurban

February 12th, 2011, 04:20 AM

allurban

February 12th, 2011, 04:21 AM

58 x 4 Cars trainset ??? WTFThis may be the initial order with room for expansion through additional cars per train in future? Remains a bit unclear I guess.4 carriage trainsets for an MRT? That's pretty strange. And I'm pretty sure I heard descriptions of 6-carriage trains in the newspapers.

It could be that the train is actually 8 carriages, each pair married together, articulated & sharing a truck like the Ampang Line....

DLR and Ampang Line trains are described as 3-car - that is, 3 separate segments but anyone counting carriages would say they have 6 carriages.

Cheers, m

bukhrin

February 12th, 2011, 05:11 AM

Could be also ala the initial KJ & Ampang line. KJ with 2 cars trains with 4-cars long platforms, and Ampang line with 4-cars trains with 6-cars long platforms.

I'd rather they have longer platforms for the MRT.

allurban

February 12th, 2011, 05:42 AM

TWK90

February 12th, 2011, 07:05 AM

58 x 4 Cars trainset ??? WTF

58 sets is a lot for a metro line.

Hopefully they can run mixed fleet, say 2 X 4 car train during peak hours.

tunomura

February 12th, 2011, 10:08 AM

KL Sentral Station should be rename as Muzium Negara Station instead because integration with KL Sentral really really disappointed me..:bash::bash:

Why not they underpass KL Sentral..Yup, quite impossible but nothing impossible in engineering..just elak2 cerucuk KL Sentral je:lol:

Guys, jumpe esok!! Hope i can see overall masterplan of Greater KL MRT:banana:

asd5139

February 12th, 2011, 10:40 AM

patchay

February 12th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Just had the 1st Ever Lowyat@NET PropertyTalk forum gathering.

Everyone is talking about the MRT.

Will be there tmr at around 11.30am....

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7350/mrtz.jpg

XNeo

February 12th, 2011, 01:09 PM

bukhrin

February 12th, 2011, 01:28 PM

IMO, no need MRT station for TTDI. their resident mostly middle and high income, less attractive public amenities( not like mutiara damansara,one utama,etc).and that area are less congested.

Sri damansara-Damansara Damai-Kepong ppl deserved it more.
LDP - tol penchala totally congested during work days early in the morning and late afternoon.

Aha, but that TTDI station would also be serving Damansara Uptown and the banks, offices, and makan2 places as well.

kl 2020 ideas

February 12th, 2011, 01:41 PM

IMO, no need MRT station for TTDI. their resident mostly middle and high income, less attractive public amenities( not like mutiara damansara,one utama,etc).and that area are less congested.

Sri damansara-Damansara Damai-Kepong ppl deserved it more.
LDP - tol penchala totally congested during work days early in the morning and late afternoon.

This ailgnment is better:

9. One Utama
10. Damansara Uptown
11. Tropicana City
12. Section 16

If it is the case, 3 words for TTDI, "Serve you right". No MRT for you.

P.S. TTDI residents, no Egypt style protest please. More you do that, make yourself shame on you and more embarrassing for the neighborhood.

TWK90

February 12th, 2011, 01:52 PM

The location of KL Sentral MRT station, i would like to see it nearer to KL Sentral, such as on the northern side or better, southern side, near the monorail station.

patchay

February 12th, 2011, 01:54 PM

Not viable to build an MRT in Taman Tun
Saturday February 12, 2011
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/2/12/focus/8050040&sec=focus

I REFER to “Taman Tun residents need an MRT,” (The Star, Feb 11).

The assertion that the majority of TTDI residents want to have the MRT line needs to be substantiated.

The TTDI Residents’ Association should call for a referendum on this.

The figures will then ascertain the view of the majority.

TTDI residents can access the MRT via Bandar Utama, which is a big commercial centre.

TTDI has a lower density ratio and does not offer any commercial value for a station to be built there. After all, it’s about dollars and cents.

I disagree with the writer that only those living in Medan Burhanuddin Helmi and Pinggiran Zaaba do not want the MRT.

TTDI TILL I DIE,
Kuala Lumpur.

Taman Tun residents need an MRT
Friday February 11, 2011
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/2/11/focus/8025513&sec=focus

I HAVE been following the MRT project and the reaction of Taman Tun Dr Ismail residents with great interest.

Having lived in TTDI for the past 12 years, I find the reactions, arguments and “whining” rather amusing.

MRT-at-your-doorstep is a dream come true for any community. To have a fast, comfortable and reliable public transport so close to your house is like striking the lottery.

Not many communities in the Klang Valley are privileged to have this.

We, at TTDI, are one of the few communities in the Klang Valley to be lucky enough to potentially have the MRT so close to our neighbourhood.

It will make life so much easier for most people, especially those who have to battle the traffic and travel to the Kuala Lumpur city centre daily.

Thousands of residents will benefit from the MRT project.

The LDP is increasingly congested and the future looks bleak without serious investments in public transport. TTDI needs the MRT.

I am quite sure that most residents know that most protests over the MRT project were made by residents in two rows of houses.

At the recent town hall meeting, the protests largely hailed from residents from Medan Burhanuddin Helmi and Pinggiran Zaaba.

Of course, we cannot deny their right to protests.

But the majority of TTDI residents welcome the MRT with open arms.

Views from those who live in two rows of houses cannot represent the views of the entire TTDI. The majority must always prevail.

SULAIMAN HOOD,
Kuala Lumpur.

MRT project at TTDI a plus point
Thursday January 20, 2011
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/20/focus/7831803&sec=focus

I REFER to “Majority of TTDI residents supportive of MRT project” (The Star, Jan 18). I also fully support the MRT project in TTDI.

It is supposed to be a prestigious residential estate but public transport is poor.

There is no direct bus from TTDI to the KL town centre or vice-versa. Rapid KL’s bus 82 stops at KL Sentral only. There is also no feeder bus from TTDI to the nearest LRT station.

It is time we had an MRT station in TTDI.

Y.L. LOO,
Kuala Lumpur.

patchay

February 12th, 2011, 02:18 PM

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4966/ttdimrt.jpg

KL's MRT project faces residents' ire
Story Jan 29, 2011
Singapore Straits Times
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/SEAsia/Story/STIStory_629638.html

Those living near planned tracks fear noise pollution, lowering of property value

By Elizabeth Looi, Malaysia Correspondent Tender for first phase

KUALA LUMPUR - MALAYSIA'S ambitious plan to build a new subway system to connect densely populated areas in the Klang Valley has met an early obstacle, with residents from several affected areas protesting against the project.

Meant to connect Sungai Buloh in the north of Kuala Lumpur to Kajang town in the city's south, the first phase of the mass rapid transit (MRT) project was slated to begin construction in July and be ready by 2016.

But more than 100 residents whose homes lie close to the proposed MRT network say part of the rail lines will run too close to their houses, causing noise pollution and lowering the value of their properties. They add that stations built in 'unstrategic places' will cause traffic jams.

The entire project will have three lines costing a total of RM36 billion (S$15.1 billion).

Like many of his neighbours, Mr S. Bahari fears the result of having the MRT line run on an elevated track barely 12m from his house in the affluent Taman Tun Dr Ismail area in KL's suburbs.

'I dread to think that I will be awakened every so often by the rumbling and screeching of trains at odd hours,' the retiree wrote in a letter published on the area's Residents Association website.

bukhrin

February 12th, 2011, 02:32 PM

I don't get it, what's the rationale of having MRT if not to serve those 2 huge shopping complexes and help remove those inbound traffics clogging the roads that those TTDI folks love to loath so much ....

XNeo

February 12th, 2011, 03:44 PM

This ailgnment is better:

9. One Utama
10. Damansara Uptown
11. Tropicana City
12. Section 16

If it is the case, 3 words for TTDI, "Serve you right". No MRT for you.

P.S. TTDI residents, no Egypt style protest please. More you do that, make yourself shame on you and more embarrassing for the neighborhood.

haha. i like that aligment.no need MRT station for TTDI.:banana:

actually ppl around KL flocking to mutiara damansara,one utama,sunway damansara to shop or going home to damansara/kepong that cause congestion in TTDI main road.

TTDI trafic light (near that bomba ) actually not congested .
and with this MRT , perhaps it help to reduce high volume traffic moving to TTDI.

mrtfreak

February 12th, 2011, 04:06 PM

If TTDI people don't want an MRT now I would suggest they build the line as is with the option for an in-fill station later on should they change their minds. This would give them the most flexibility to construct a station there at a later date without major modifications needed such as reconstruction of the entire section.

54/2 = 27 trains. I don't think that that is sufficient really, to run the line at a good enough frequency. Hopefully its an initial order and the stations can be built to accomodate longer trains. 4 cars is not surprising really. In Singapore, the Circle & Downtown Lines have/will have 3 car trains and they are still considered MRT lines. The future Thomson Line will have 4 car trains and is still considered MRT as well. It depends on the carriage length as well. Generally, Singapore's MRT trains are slightly longer than the Kelana Jaya LRTs, with each car having 4 doors per side (and for Thomson Line, 5 doors proposed).

bukhrin

February 12th, 2011, 04:29 PM

54/2 = 27 trains. I don't think that that is sufficient really, to run the line at a good enough frequency. Hopefully its an initial order and the stations can be built to accomodate longer trains. 4 cars is not surprising really. In Singapore, the Circle & Downtown Lines have/will have 3 car trains and they are still considered MRT lines. The future Thomson Line will have 4 car trains and is still considered MRT as well. It depends on the carriage length as well. Generally, Singapore's MRT trains are slightly longer than the Kelana Jaya LRTs, with each car having 4 doors per side (and for Thomson Line, 5 doors proposed).

From what they say with expected headways at 109 second and 1200 pax per trains, we'd have;

[(60 x 60)/109] x 1200 = 39,633 ~ close enough to the 40,000 pphpd value they published last time.

And I'd assume they're talking of peak hours.

argory

February 12th, 2011, 07:51 PM

If it is the case, 3 words for TTDI, "Serve you right". No MRT for you.

P.S. TTDI residents, no Egypt style protest please. More you do that, make yourself shame on you and more embarrassing for the neighborhood.

Put yourself into their shoes before criticizing them as no one creates a fuss for the sake of it. Malaysians are not ignorant and are completely aware of their rights to be heard and their rights to privacy and space. After decades of planning disasters, nobody is prepared to accept whatever that the authorities bulldoze on to them, on the pretense of general interest. Is it not ironic that general interest means everyone else but them?

Please remember that most people invest their life savings into their homes, and when that peace or money is potentially threatened, no dignified human being will take it straight without a fight.

The solution here is not to accuse them, but to see what will best benefit everyone, including those affected. Maybe realignment or underground, maybe acquisition but you could help by stop posting such immature comments.

TTDI is not and will not be the only place in the future where we will hear protests like this. How the government deals with this situation may set a precedent for future planning guidelines and I am really looking forward to a civilised outcome.

willeo

February 13th, 2011, 02:01 AM

allurban

February 13th, 2011, 04:32 AM

58 sets is a lot for a metro line.

Hopefully they can run mixed fleet, say 2 X 4 car train during peak hours.considering the length of the line and the frequency of 109s that they are looking for, 58 actually seems like a good number. Especially considering the need for spare trains as well as coupling 2 x 4 as you suggest.

Cheers, m

allurban

February 13th, 2011, 04:35 AM

^^ Or they can simply pass/skip kl sentral without need of station since KL sentral bound passenger can align at Pasar Seni.

I would opt to go to pasar seni and change to KLJ line to go to KL Sentral since it goes inside KL Sentral rather than walk under the burning sun/rain to go to KL Sentral from the proposed KL Sentral MRT station..:runaway:My thought is that they should skip KL Sentral altogether and use Jalan Semantan to Jalan Parlimen & Jalan Tun Perak instead.

They could build a station under Jalan Tun Perak near Dataran Merdeka with underground walkway link to Masjid Jamek.

But if they prefer to use the proposed route, it would be better to integrate at Pasar Seni & Kuala Lumpur station - but the Pasar Seni MRT seems to be some distance away.

Cheers, m

allurban

February 13th, 2011, 04:43 AM

I am little concerned about settling on an alignment for the line without being able to look at the overall future system first. I understand the proposed MRT lines are expected to integrate the existing lines into a better network.

But what if the stations built on the new line aren't conducive to serving as interchanges with the other (future MRT) lines? It would seriously be such a wasted opportunity if our MRT interchanges end up like some of our current ones and do not result in increased connectivity.

We really shouldn't be building a system piecemeal without a concrete masterplan. It's called a network for a reason.Unfortunately, the law in this case Railways Act 1991 (amended 2009) does not require the builder of a railway to do anything except have a public display showing the railway scheme for that particular line, diagrams of stations, lists of persons who's property will be affected, and providing an option for written feedback

There is no requirement to present more than one route option, to explain the reasoning behind the route option chosen, locations of stations etc.

The reason why our LRT and Monorail lines were built piecemeal is because the law allows (in fact, encourages) that to happen.

SPAD and Pemandu do have an idea of the whole MRT network but they do not have to legally make anything public until the public display.

Now, we have informally asked them to communicate more information about the routing, share info about their 2nd and 3rd best options, explain station locations etc.

Cheers, m

kl 2020 ideas

February 13th, 2011, 04:54 AM

Put yourself into their shoes before criticizing them as no one creates a fuss for the sake of it.

Of course, I am criticizing them, because they do not want MRT. If they do not want it, it may delay the project and of course they are making noise. Prove?

1) They are rich. For say , switch TTDI into a poor neighbourhood (similar to Kg. Sungai Penchala), will they want MRT. Of course, they will want it, right?

2) About noise pollution, yes it is true some near 20 years ago, it is quiet. But you have to understand this is a city, not a countryside place like Cameron Highlands or Fraser Hill. So if that's the case, get lost from KL and live in Cameron Highlands. Then again, the last time I went up there, comes the traffic jam and honking sounds which is the first I heard 'continuous honks' for 4 minutes and not only that from Brinchang to the Equatorial took me an hour (no shocking) therefore no escape from countryside to the favours of the residents.

3) As other people and I say, turn this project 'underground' or switch to Damansara Uptown towards Tropicana City then finally on Section 16. As for Section 17 and TTDI people who are reading this now, you don't deserve the MRT. Do you love the jam in LDP or do you want hassle free journey. It's entirely up to you because our fates of MRT lies in your hands and don't say "I want the MRT station in my backyard and how come Bandar Utama and Damansara Utama got it." Too bad, too late because you guys decline it then go after the person who decline this. Cry in your sake.

willeo

February 13th, 2011, 08:31 AM

Unfortunately, the law in this case Railways Act 1991 (amended 2009) does not require the builder of a railway to do anything except have a public display showing the railway scheme for that particular line, diagrams of stations, lists of persons who's property will be affected, and providing an option for written feedback

There is no requirement to present more than one route option, to explain the reasoning behind the route option chosen, locations of stations etc.

The reason why our LRT and Monorail lines were built piecemeal is because the law allows (in fact, encourages) that to happen.

SPAD and Pemandu do have an idea of the whole MRT network but they do not have to legally make anything public until the public display.

Now, we have informally asked them to communicate more information about the routing, share info about their 2nd and 3rd best options, explain station locations etc.

Cheers, m

Thanks for explaining it to me! It's an unfortunate situation stemming from imperfect circumstances...

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 01:01 PM

anyone went to MRT Open Day in Mid-Valley today?

want to know the proposed route...

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 01:09 PM

really hope MRT route will cover Golden Triangle area...
so far,, only one stn that cover that area...Bkt Bintang...dont know the exact location....hope not that far from the offices buidling (jln raja chulan, jln perak, jln pinang)

davidwsk

February 13th, 2011, 01:33 PM

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 01:45 PM

Youtube Video of Sg.Buloh-Kajang MRT route:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXEru8Xx49Q

It will cover Curve-One Utama-SEC16/17-Damansara Height-Warisan Merdeka-Bukit Bintang East/West (Pavilion)- KL Financial District-Leisure Mall- Phoenix Cheras.

Many Shopping Malls are covered...

:)

i think the most important thing is to really study station in city centre.. not the one in TTDi or Damasara....
pls make more stns in city centre...otherwise, it serves no purpose
take example the downtown Seoul, there's 4 subway stns (north, east, south , west) in radius of 200m to 400m, in every corner of down town seoul... if you are at one place in seoul, you have 4 otions of subway stns to choose...
but in KL, most of city centre area is not covered by LRT or MRT...monorail is not that mass transport, not really efficient....
offices in jln p ramlee have to walk long way to KLCC stn....
offices in jln pinang have to walk long way to KLCC stn or monorail bkt bntng.raja chulan (which are so crowded)....
offices in jln perak also have to go to KLCC stn...
all KLCC stns, how come??

bukhrin

February 13th, 2011, 01:48 PM

Didn't fail to mention the 100 storey Menara. :)

bukhrin

February 13th, 2011, 01:50 PM

What's weirder is that the Taman Cuepacs is nowhere near the Taman Cuepacs station ...

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 01:53 PM

http://www.korea-hotel-reservations.com/images/seoul_subway_map_s.gif

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 01:57 PM

tunomura

February 13th, 2011, 05:26 PM

I have been to the MRT Public Review..from my point of view, there are several items have been miss out about the alignment

1) There is no info of ITT Sungai Buloh location either at Sungai Buloh Station or at RRIM:
2) No station design concept, i mean, how the station going to control the crowd, how many entrance and exit gate..just show simple arrow for each station
3) I know that details of overall Greater KV MRT planning will come out on next month..but why not they show which station within Sungai Buloh-Kajang MRT will be integrate with next future MRT (Proposed Circle Line or Yellow Line)
4) No info how they are going to reduce the environmental impact such as noise and vibration during construction and during operation..

Here is some pics taken by me

The train will be driveless :okay:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/5442123192_4f042f88ba_b.jpg

Proposed feeder bus system :okay:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5441525957_9d4f331be0_b.jpg

One more thing, during the review, no SPAD representative and those wearing black t-shirt were MMC-GAMUDA..:bash: They can't give exact answer because they are only main contractor not as a project supervisor..Who supervise who? SPAD or Gamuda?

bukhrin

February 13th, 2011, 05:48 PM

looks like one of those Alstom Metropolis trains .....

patchay

February 13th, 2011, 06:08 PM

I was there for longgg................................. and even got interviewed by NST... I said everything is GOOD but still can IMPROVE.

Anyway here's Patchay's Concluding Comments:

1. No mention of Sg Buloh ITT transport hub (for North)

2. Spoken to Mutiara Damansara resident who not too happy with the line so close to homes. I think more info need to be provided to affected residents.

3. The Curve and 1Utama stations seem to be "too close". Would love if See Hoy Chan proposed to integrate both stations into 1 at the Central Park carpark area since New Wing and IKEA will not be too far. This will further become a transport hub for express coaches going to Genting, Singapore and the new KLIA2 (AirAsia bus hub in PJ).

4. Was told it's difficult to get into Damansara Uptown and Tropicana City area since there's no road reserve, 2 ramps and dangerous turns at bottleneck.

5. No mention how KL Sentral station will be linked to the "real KL Sentral Station" or even Nu Sentral and Monorail. It is not an integrated stop and hopefully there'll be a Mid Valley-The Gardens ala bridge that cuts through QSENTRAL OR ST REGIS.

6. Warisan Merdeka 100-storey building was mentioned and shown.

7. Why the need for 2 stations at Bukit Bintang? According to KVMRT ppl, there's huge traffic. No integration with Monorail there.

8. I hope they change Pasar Rakyat name to KLIFD in the future.

9. You may change Taman Bukit Mewah to Taman Midah for commercial/marketing purposes.

10. MISTAKE! Taman Suntex come first before Taman Cuepacs???? I tot is another way round. (Cheras ppl pls clarify?)

11. I think Bandar Sg Long deserve a station. Lotsa young and students there.

12. The name "Bandar Kajang" and "Kajang" is confusing.

13. NO indication of station length and no indication of FUTURE EXPANSION.

14. NO indication of INTEGRATION with FUTURE MRT Lines.

(pls correct my mistakes and share ideas?)

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 06:14 PM

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 06:22 PM

hazlan

February 13th, 2011, 06:34 PM

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmhLQt_y9u-pvUgqN__iYBTqM3hf9UhXXVBK1y1NsF0ICF67_v-DXw2Tt4

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbrGAgX09taoh-kXwl8zBAMCH4H7S4tHqCYeKCUdV5FB2qUk6H

these areas really need rail network coverage....

as we speak, only raja chulan monorail stn is there (super light rail transit - which is not efficient)

these area is fastly growing and keep on growing...any vacant land is now having construction....more and more builings popping out....imagine in next 10 years, how many poeple works here...this is the heart of KL downtown where seriously needs mass rail network...dont u think?

i dont understand why government left out this area from MRT proposal route...otherwise the MRT serve no purpose, just go to pasar seni, pudu, and the get out of city to kajang... who works in pudu? and commuters will overcrowd pasar seni stn to change to kelana jaya line, and cause more congestion in kelana jaya line.....

Ethaniel83

February 13th, 2011, 09:07 PM

I agree that Jalan Raja Chulan/Jalan Sultan Ismail area should covered by mrt because of high volume of commuters there. No point to build two mrt stations at the edge of Bukit Bintang. Personally i'm disappointed with the alignment passing thru the golden triangle area.

Another area should give priority is Damansara Utama instead of TTDI, SPNB should not just find an easy way because of lacks of space and construction difficulty.

So far do not see any clear indication on how the mrt is going to integrate with Sg Buloh and Kajang KTM stn? For the Kajang Interchange, maybe it can build a new integrated rail terminal opposite the current underutilized Kajang bus terminal at Jalan Reko. This is an ideal location given it is closer to serve commuters from Bandar Baru Bangi and upcoming Kajang 2 new township development. Further that's another proposed mrt stn in Kajang town and the current railways station is rather old.

Sheik

February 14th, 2011, 02:21 AM

The kvmrt will only have 4 car trains which will carry 1200 passengers. The reason I got for not being 6 or 8 cars is it will be too costly to acquire the land and the other mrt lines will disperse the increase in future ridership.

The underground portion is only 9.5 km. Since they are planning to spend 20 billion, what is a few billion more?

Bukit bintang will have 2 stations. One near federal hotel and the other near pavilion. Heard that there are plans to build and underground shopping mall linking both stations.

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 02:30 AM

and, why dont they extend ampang line, from sentul to up north to selayang?

Been wondering about that for years. Currently the line ended in the middle of the city and only serve those people in the south. With such poor coverage, how can they expect to make full use of the Ampang line ?

benpahang

February 14th, 2011, 03:21 AM

how about direct connectivity with Ampang line? I think connection at Maluri is a bit out of the way for people coming from or heading to Sentul side. I think from Pasar Seni to Masjid Jamek is quite a walking distance and those not fimiliar may have difficulties finding the station.

No mention also connection with monorail. This is important for those going along Jln Sultan Ismail up to Jln Tar.

asd5139

February 14th, 2011, 05:46 AM

downtown seoul is north side of the river, but not really at river bank area, slightly towards up north the river, right in the middle....
you could trace downtown seoul by searching stn Jongno, Eljiro, Chungmuro, thats downtown seoul...

you could see, lots of subway stns in downtown seoul....every corner of downtown seoul, there's subway stn...and the subway entrance is widespread....almost 5 to 8, and up to 12 subway entrances for each stns....

hope KL MRT study about this..

How can u compare kl with seoul.. the gap is too huge...it also take some time for Seoul to build up all the subway station at every corner of downtown seoul... From my observation.. seoul's subway have a lots of exits due to its location and the length of their platform. most station situated below an intersection/traffic lights, so basically they need to make at least 8 exit to 4 different roads and the length of platform also give advantage to seoul subway to have more number of exits.let see our lrt station location.. most of it are just by the roadside and with short platform result in with only i or 2 exits. Take Sindorim station (intersection of line 1 and 2) for example, it only have 2 exits and the exits is only at line 2 which is underground. So if u get off at line 1(at grade).. u need to go downstairs, exit and take another stair (ascend) to get out of the station... and most people only use one of the exit since the bus stand is only on this side. other than that.. since seoul subways have to many exits.. most of it are not accessible to OKU since its only stairs.

The things that i want kl to learn from the seoul the most is the feeder bus system and their T-money card system. i love when i dont need to pay a single won when i change from subway to public bus.:):):)

TWK90

February 14th, 2011, 06:31 AM

Photo from MRT public display in Bangsar LRT

This is the answer, for the length of the MRT train (actual length in mm)

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/Nissan_FUGA/DSC08945.jpg

Car 1 : 22000 mm

Gangway : 700 mm

Car 2 : 21500 mm

Gangway : 700 mm

Car 3 : 21500 mm

Gangway : 700 mm

Car 4 : 22000 mm

Total length : 89.1 m

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 06:44 AM

From the "stations view page" and tunnel diagrams. Will we have a stacked platform underground stations ? For the BB East ?

TWK90

February 14th, 2011, 06:50 AM

From the "stations view page" and tunnel diagrams. Will we have a stacked platform underground stations ? For the BB East ?

From the public display....

BB West and BB East MRT stations, both have stacked side platforms.

hazlan

February 14th, 2011, 06:57 AM

hazlan

February 14th, 2011, 07:01 AM

Been wondering about that for years. Currently the line ended in the middle of the city and only serve those people in the south. With such poor coverage, how can they expect to make full use of the Ampang line ?

thats why, plus, why the need of integration of monorail titiwangsa with ampang line titiwangsa right towards the end of ampang line route, not so effective and useful, unless the ampang line is extended up north to selayang, batu caves or maybe kepong, segambut....

hazlan

February 14th, 2011, 07:03 AM

hazlan

February 14th, 2011, 07:08 AM

How can u compare kl with seoul.. the gap is too huge...it also take some time for Seoul to build up all the subway station at every corner of downtown seoul... From my observation.. seoul's subway have a lots of exits due to its location and the length of their platform. most station situated below an intersection/traffic lights, so basically they need to make at least 8 exit to 4 different roads and the length of platform also give advantage to seoul subway to have more number of exits.let see our lrt station location.. most of it are just by the roadside and with short platform result in with only i or 2 exits. Take Sindorim station (intersection of line 1 and 2) for example, it only have 2 exits and the exits is only at line 2 which is underground. So if u get off at line 1(at grade).. u need to go downstairs, exit and take another stair (ascend) to get out of the station... and most people only use one of the exit since the bus stand is only on this side. other than that.. since seoul subways have to many exits.. most of it are not accessible to OKU since its only stairs.

The things that i want kl to learn from the seoul the most is the feeder bus system and their T-money card system. i love when i dont need to pay a single won when i change from subway to public bus.:):):)

Dont we want KL to become world class city of high income developed country by 2020? it is now to implement this or else by the time KL become city of develop country, it cannot be on par with other capital of develop countries like London, Tokyo, Seoul, or even Singapore.

T-Money card, and our Touch and Go card, not same concept?

TWK90

February 14th, 2011, 07:16 AM

asd5139

February 14th, 2011, 09:24 AM

Dont we want KL to become world class city of high income developed country by 2020? it is now to implement this or else by the time KL become city of develop country, it cannot be on par with other capital of develop countries like London, Tokyo, Seoul, or even Singapore.

T-Money card, and our Touch and Go card, not same concept?

same.... probably... same as EZ-link card, T-money card have discount of 100 won for every transaction.T-Money card can also use for shopping and public phone.and u can top it up almost anywhere since convenience store is everywhere.Do TnG card have all the convenient?Even the scanner is sometimes not functioning(im a TnG and lrt user). The same when u r changing from subway to bus.. u wouldn't need to pay since it just a continuation of your previous trip.. If the system is implemented i think some of our integrated station does not need a major renovation.. for instance bandar tasek selatan when u want to change from ktm to lrt... u can touch in and out but the payment it is just a continuation. In seoul since line 9 is among the newest..changing from line 2 to line 9 (dangsan) require you to touch the card(the same when changing from airport railroad(same platform with line9) to line 5)at gimpo airport station.

Im not saying that we shouldnt built mrt at every corner of BB but there are many other place which is undeserved with rail transportation.. therefore at the moment, effective and systematic feeder bus system is the best option to maximize our MRT usage:):):)

asd5139

February 14th, 2011, 09:30 AM

From the public display....

BB West and BB East MRT stations, both have stacked side platforms.

Interesting.. are we going to have elevated stacked track. If i am not mistaken the Bangkok Skytrain did have some section of elevated stacked track.:)

patchay

February 14th, 2011, 09:41 AM

We might see a new megaproject - KL Underground Mall - between BB West and BB East stations. (hearsay only so far)

The whole landscape of BB might change after this. The greatest beneficiary there is YTL and Low Yat Group, that may see them developing old shoplots along Jalan Imbi and Low Yat City near Federal Hotel.

On the road level, it's gonna be like Orchard Road and Somerset.

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Hope will get rid of those ppl selling ayam too .....

sam79

February 14th, 2011, 10:15 AM

kl 2020 ideas

February 14th, 2011, 10:24 AM

patchay

February 14th, 2011, 10:38 AM

Well, BB East will be in Pavillion, correct me if I'm wrong as for BB West not sure.

specifically at Hermes store there i think... i think BB West is at Federal Hotel/Low Yat/Swiss Garden area, no?

guy4versa4

February 14th, 2011, 02:22 PM

dengar kata ada pameran utk public di midv pasal mrt..spe2 leh ambil pic concept station mrt yg di proposed?

hazlan

February 14th, 2011, 04:21 PM

dengar kata ada pameran utk public di midv pasal mrt..spe2 leh ambil pic concept station mrt yg di proposed?

klik pada pautan di bawah utk jajaran MRT

http://www.kvmrt.com.my/media/pdm/MapKVMRT-B_opt.jpg

http://www.kvmrt.com.my/media/pdm/MapKVMRT-B_opt.jpg

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 04:23 PM

with that length, the station needs at least four different exits, or else, users will congest the exit doors and escalators

They look at around the same length like the 6-cars Bombardier Ampang Line rolling stocks. And the stations there certainly survived with single exits.

http://www.irse.org.sg/reference_documents/Convention%20Papers/IRSE%20Paper%2012%20-%20X%20Champaud.pdf

Reference for those who like to compare rolling stocks in spare time.

With all the fine details of the train dimensions and capacity outed, shouldn't the gomen just come out and announce which company had won the rolling stocks contracts already ? Shouldn't a mockup be in order anyway ?

razpatrol99

February 14th, 2011, 04:30 PM

tomkat

February 14th, 2011, 04:47 PM

I think it is better to integrate this line with KL Station than KL Sentral.

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 04:50 PM

now im really pissed off with mrcb.... they didnt reserve a space near the KL sentral for its expansion to station future mrt/lrt/etc.. instead they making a quick bucks by building office spaces/high rise condo/malls near it. and now we probably have to walk 10-20mins from the propose mrt station to the real KL sentral!!! :bash::bash:

I dont think they even planned KL sentral for future expansions of the monorail/rail services. Beneath the Rapid KL platforms are the KTM Komuter platforms. If they're going to integrate a new station underneath, they somehow need to have passengers through-access there. Which is only possible if KTMB & RapidKL have a full inter-service framework in place. IF.

TWK90

February 14th, 2011, 05:01 PM

I dont think they even planned KL sentral for future expansions of the monorail/rail services. Beneath the Rapid KL platforms are the KTM Komuter platforms. If they're going to integrate a new station underneath, they somehow need to have passengers through-access there. Which is only possible if KTMB & RapidKL have a full inter-service framework in place. IF.

Even the bus platform of KL Sentral is miserable.

bukhrin

February 14th, 2011, 05:22 PM

Even the bus platform of KL Sentral is miserable.

Ditto, those were never meant to serve as bus interchanges platforms, thus the infamous Staircase of Muffled Curses.

daeng_jal

February 14th, 2011, 06:45 PM

I think it is better to integrate this line with KL Station than KL Sentral.

yeah,i like that too,
provided an underground walkway to masjid jamek station

not really mind the long walk,a lot of subway line in the world required long walk,as long as it is dedicated n no requirement to get out of the streets..kira ok lah

then the old kl station,would be the next kl sentral,but with no link to the monorail

i had this thinking that comuter should be run by rapidkl,the KTM track are own by gov n KTM n rapidkl share n pay rent to gov

allurban

February 14th, 2011, 08:01 PM

tunomura

February 15th, 2011, 01:14 AM

station view here (http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=161)

ETP release regarding 3 month public consultation here (http://www.pemandu.gov.my/etp/blog/2011/02/mrt-project-3-month-public-consultation/)

:cheers:

Sheik

February 15th, 2011, 03:55 AM

They look at around the same length like the 6-cars Bombardier Ampang Line rolling stocks. And the stations there certainly survived with single exits.

http://www.irse.org.sg/reference_documents/Convention%20Papers/IRSE%20Paper%2012%20-%20X%20Champaud.pdf

Reference for those who like to compare rolling stocks in spare time.

With all the fine details of the train dimensions and capacity outed, shouldn't the gomen just come out and announce which company had won the rolling stocks contracts already ? Shouldn't a mockup be in order anyway ?

The government has not even called for any tenders yet, so how to announce? We can guess who might bid: Alstom, bombardier, rotem, etc. It might be the longest driverless mrt in the world. Now singapore's circle line lays claim.

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 04:20 AM

The government has not even called for any tenders yet, so how to announce? We can guess who might bid: Alstom, bombardier, rotem, etc. It might be the longest driverless mrt in the world. Now singapore's circle line lays claim.

The fact that they already have the rolling stocks dimension details and technical drawing down to mm probably means that somehow they are working with an existing reference model to come out with those figures. Hard to ignore the fact that that somebody's rolling stocks model could end up being the favourite in the coming bid.

Anyway, that's just me, the last time where rolling stocks and open tenders were spoken together in the same breath, we got the KTMB Komuter EMUs and CSR. But people would have probably forgotten about that also. :banana:

Sheik

February 15th, 2011, 05:00 AM

The fact that they already have the rolling stocks dimension details and technical drawing down to mm probably means that somehow they are working with an existing reference model to come out with those figures. Hard to ignore the fact that that somebody's rolling stocks model could end up being the favourite in the coming bid.

Anyway, that's just me, the last time where rolling stocks and open tenders were spoken together in the same breath, we got the KTMB Komuter EMUs and CSR. But people would have probably forgotten about that also. :banana:

They probably will ask the winning bidder to design and build the rolling stock according to their specifications, essentially custom made like acela in the states.Things are moving fast, so we should hear about tenders soon.

guy4versa4

February 15th, 2011, 05:59 AM

first design is ok,other design is so damn boring,...
1.http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/Picture1-10.png

2.http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/Picture2-3.png

3.http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/Picture3-4.png

i wish something more like metro dubai,foster tube station
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/800px-Dubai_Metro_Station_-_Sheikh_Zayed_Road.jpghttp://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/3912358315_8421db4bda.jpg
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/mag348_03_popup.jpghttp://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/IMG_0647.jpg

hazlan

February 15th, 2011, 06:35 AM

I think it is better to integrate this line with KL Station than KL Sentral.

KL station only have KTM Komuter, not KJ Line...

hazlan

February 15th, 2011, 06:48 AM

There's no proper station integration between MRT line with other two LRT lines, within the city centre area. Pasar Seni stn doesnt look very near enuff with Pasar Seni Stn KJ Line. I google earth, the marked area is somewhere at backside of Petaling Street...
Only one stn properly crossing and integrate, Stn Maluri, tu pun out of city centre. Kurang puas hati dgn MRT route sbb tak penetrate Golden Triangle area, only passing thru at the egde ( paviliion stn).

The 100 floors Menara Warisan Merdeka, an attempt from Najib to leave a legacy to be remembered and associated with his time. Tun Mahathir leave so many legacy, e.g. KLCC, LRT, KLIA, Sepang Circuit, Putrajaya, etc. Najib seems want something like Tun Mahathir's Twin Tower, with the Rail Transit stn down below it. There you go, the Menara Warisan Medeka with MRT Stn Merdeka.

daeng_jal

February 15th, 2011, 06:54 AM

hazlan

February 15th, 2011, 06:55 AM

http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=61

guys, let give our opinions, comments, ideas, and inputs to the kvmrt, at the link above.

constipation

February 15th, 2011, 09:10 AM

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/Picture3-4.png
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/a/a6/ICE-3-frankfurt.jpg

wowww,it seems they will use ICE velaro Germany high speed train fr Siemens, definitely it will be 400km/hr fr Sg Buloh to Kajang

anyway,i wish the station more look like this..
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm245/malaysiahantu/beiyuan.jpg

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 10:30 AM

^^pasar seni station is closed by

havent been to that area for sometimes,it would be a bit of convenience to extended the commuter pedestrian bridge across the river to pasar seni station

and a tunnel link to masjid jamek is nice too

anyway,anyone wanna start a 1malaysia for rapidkl takeover of commuter facebook fanpage?:)

Isn't the long term plan is (was?) to have the 1Tiket initiative so that you only need 1 ticket for the whole rail services (Komuter included). Isn't that what the current KTM Komuter AFC overhaul is all about (the one with the messy business involving the SPRM).

If so couldn't they just build a station straddling the distance between pasar seni and the KL station and you'd have a triple-lines interchange. That would definitely bring life back to the old station. :(

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 10:36 AM

It was hinted that the Pavilion/BB East station will have stacked underground platforms. Is this because of space constraint or is there plan to have a X-platforms interchange with future MRT lines ?

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae49/bukhrin/2011-02-15153830.jpg?t=1297762326

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae49/bukhrin/2011-02-15153851.jpg?t=1297762328

TWK90

February 15th, 2011, 10:50 AM

Of the 8 underground stations planned for the Sg Buloh-Kajang MRT line, 3 of those are planned to be built with stacked side platforms.

- Bukit Bintang West
- Bukit Bintang East
- Pasar Rakyat

Pasar Rakyat is significant as it is near to the future KLIFD site.

I wonder if this rumour on the circle line (The Star) is related to this topic or not, but it seems coincidental.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/31/business/7885702&sec=business

mrtfreak

February 15th, 2011, 11:01 AM

The pictures Bukhrin posted don't look like there are any provisions for cross-platform transfers. The diaphragm walls are sufficient for one line's platform looking at the diagrams.

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 11:03 AM

The pictures Bukhrin posted don't look like there are any provisions for cross-platform transfers. The diaphragm walls are sufficient for one line's platform looking at the diagrams.

Dang! You're right ! And those escalators shouldn't be so close to those walls either. :(

mrtfreak

February 15th, 2011, 11:06 AM

Dang! You're right ! And those escalators shouldn't be so close to those walls either. :(
Sorry dude, we've had lots of experience already in Singapore in detecting these things. :lol: But it didn't state which station this was right? It seems likely that the Pasar Rakyat station might have the possibility of cross-platform though. :)

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Botak

February 15th, 2011, 11:29 AM

mrtfreak

February 15th, 2011, 12:12 PM

yeah, and those platform floor plans showed only 3 sets of stairs/escalators, don't think that they have provisions for future 6-car trains platform lengths. If like this the Komuter will have the longest train, followed by Ampang line and this MRT. :P
A bit hard to say as they haven't stated the platform lengths. But even so at 89m (I think this is the length of the trains right), its already longer than our Circle Line trains at 70.1m each.

asd5139

February 15th, 2011, 12:16 PM

^^ By looking at your suggestion it somehow look great and it is important to integrate the mrt with the monorail(bukit bintang station).. do you realize about the proposal about building an underground mall between bb east and bb west station, maybe the can change it to from bb(pavilion) to bb(monorail).. but still the integration will be hard since the station is quite far.. or maybe there is 1 BB station(monorail+MRT which is integrated) and an underground mall linking BB station to pavilion.. but later the crowd on ground level will reduce/less livelier and lot10/Fahrenheit 88 wont be too happy. and it would rather odd to have underground mall connecting another mall to metro station compare to have it in between 2 metro station.

patchay

February 15th, 2011, 12:18 PM

SPAD proposal
Merdeka - Bukit Bintang West - Bukit Bintang East - Pasar Rakyat (KLIFD)

Your proposal:
Merdeka - Raja Chulan - Bukit Bintang (Monorail) - Pasar Rakyat (KLIFD)

Sounds good.

However, the guys told me they are insisting on 2 stations for Bukit Bintang. This is due to traffic, tourists and future plans (perhaps the KL Underground Project). And since many parts of BB will be undergoing redevelopment.

As most Damansara ppl travelling and jamming up SPRINT to go to KL to work and NOT TO GO SHOPPING (most Damansara ppl prefer 1U and MidV), then there is actually NO purpose of serving Damansara area, unless you're talking about connectivity within Damansara itself.

So where are your WORK locations? I know alot of ppl working on Jalan Raja Chulan and Jalan Sultan Ismail area. But they say they want to see Merdeka area as the FUTURE KLCC. Well.............

bukhrin

February 15th, 2011, 02:45 PM

hazlan

February 15th, 2011, 02:57 PM

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/5442688692_6cdbefe36e.jpg

This is my suggestion on the route between Merdeka and Pasar Rakyat. The dark blue dotted line is my suggested route (Pardon the blur wordings, that’s the best my image editing software could do). After Merdeka it should go towards Jalan Raja Chulan, with a station around the Jln Raja Chulan/Jln P. Ramlee junction.
Reasons:
1. This area is one part of the densest KL CBD area with high concentration of high-rise office towers. It’s underserved with just the Monorail Raja Chulan station.
2. Just a slight modification of the proposed alignment can reach this high catchment area.

The line then go towards Bukit Bintang. They should not have the 2 Bukit Bintang Timur/Barat stations, instead should have a station right under the Jln Bukit Bintang/Jln Sultan Ismail junction and integrate with Monorail.
Reasons:
1) INTEGRATE WITH MONORAIL, IMPORTANT!!
2) This is the heart of Bukit Bintang, centrally located within all the malls and hotels, this is where you have the highest concentration of people. The 2 Bukit Bintang Timur/Barat stations are located in the quieter parts of Jln Bukit Bintang.
3) Easily walk to areas covered by the proposed 2 Bukit Bintang Timur/Barat stations.

Agree with you 100%... let tell this opinion to KVMRT...
re-route to high concentration area of high rise buildings, otherwise the MRT objective to reduce cars on the road hard to achieve.
Peoples who works in Golden Triangles still go to work drive own cars.

From my observation, if we see who take the monorail, mostly they are girls/women or the non-exec staff, or young exec.

Senior Executive, in my opinion, still prefer to drive, rather than berhimpit2 dan berebut2 naik Monorail (yg kecik dan kdg2 tak efisyen). My point is, to make all levels of workers to opt for public transport, it have to be MRT like in developed countries and most important thing is have station at high concentration of high rise buildings.

It just a waste if this MRT line if enter the city centre just to pass thru malls.

TWK90

February 15th, 2011, 03:51 PM

A bit hard to say as they haven't stated the platform lengths. But even so at 89m (I think this is the length of the trains right), its already longer than our Circle Line trains at 70.1m each.

http://www.doe.gov.my/portal/announcemenment-to-public/detailed-eia-klang-valley-mass-rapid-transit-sungai-buloh-%E2%80%93-kajang-line/attachment/kvmrt-deiaexecutivesummary/

According to the EIA report, the train would be 3.1 m wide, and 3.7 m in height.

daeng_jal

February 15th, 2011, 05:52 PM

i had an idea!!!!

make it like singapore downtown line, with a loop inside the golden triangle

http://www.sla.gov.sg/Images/common/new/downtown%20line.jpg

they can serve lots of area currently unversed and integrate with other line inside the city core

generally,from pavilion>>raja chulan>>underneath bkt nenas>>capsquare>>bandaraya station then turn along jln raja laut meet up chow kitt monorail then to kg baru to KLCC>>MTDC>> pavilion again

tunomura

February 15th, 2011, 10:42 PM

^^hmmm...lots of idea about the alignment..it is not easy to design the best, economical, effective and comprehensive alignment..MRT can't serve every inch of area..I'm OK with the alignment but I love to see an underground mall will be build between Bukit Bintang West and Bukit Bintang East. The exit of this station will be directly into the existing malls and even up to berjaya timesquare. Soon, people dont have to walk on the ground that quite unsafe and unhealthy :cheers:

dengilo

February 16th, 2011, 07:56 AM

It seem anything before and after the tunnel a good number of stations are right next to highways!!!My prime concern is how best this preposed route best serve the golden triangle with the best connection with the present monorail and LRT stations!Pasar seni location seem ok with me but not "KL Sentral" which is not anyway close to the main terminal!Drop semantan ,sec16,sec 17 stations .From TTDI onwards M Kiara area,Duta to Pusat Damansara via bangsar to brickfields everything about this system its not just looking good on map!!!!

hazlan

February 16th, 2011, 03:13 PM

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 03:22 AM

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 05:07 AM

Let's go underground!!!

Starting from after Taman Industri Sungai Buloh to after Cochrane.

High costs mitigated by underground malls such as between The Curve and 1Utama and another one at Raja Chulan and Bukit Bintang (high demand is there)

Add more stations and cover more areas!!!

Add stations in Damansara Uptown and Raja Chulan areas.

Rich say don’t need MRT, but poor welcome it
By Boo Su-Lyn February 17, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rich-say-dont-need-mrt-but-poor-welcome-it/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 17 — Wealthy residents have dismissed the need for the Klang Valley mass rapid transit (MRT) system, unlike low-income earners who hailed it for its convenience.

Damansara Heights residents’ association president Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Abd Rahaman said his neighbours would likely not use the MRT as they preferred to drive their luxury cars.

“They’ll still go on their Jaguars,” Abdul Aziz told The Malaysian Insider recently.

“People in our area will not use this (the MRT). People from other areas... pass through our area to go to town. That makes the whole place jammed (already),” he added.

Abdul Aziz also pointed out that land was scarce in the affluent neighbourhood, which counts ministers, tycoons and top civil servants as among its residents.

“[There is] no more land in our area. The whole place will be congested,” said Abdul Aziz, a one-time managing director of flag carrier Malaysia Airlines.

“So we want to know exactly where is it and how are they going to plan to do it,” he added.

Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) residents’ association president Mohd Hatim Abdullah also said his neighbours were unlikely to use the TTDI station, which will be located near the TTDI market.

“People who live there already own four or five cars,” said Hatim.

He added that TTDI residents in Kuala Lumpur also objected to the 1Utama MRT station as it would likely worsen traffic congestion on the Damansara-Puchong Expressway (LDP).

“The LDP now is very congested. During construction period, what will happen to the traffic?” he asked.

“They (the MRT stations) are both at our entry and exit points,” he added.

Hatim pointed out that the proposed location of the 1Utama station was on TTDI land next to the LDP headed towards Kuala Lumpur.

He said TTDI residents wanted the 1Utama station to be moved to a more suitable location nearby, such as the Bandar Utama golf driving range.

The driving range is located behind the 1Utama shopping mall in Petaling Jaya.

“The driving range is perfect,” said Hatim, pointing out that it was larger than the current proposed location.

The RM36.6 billion Klang Valley MRT project will have 35 stations along its first line that stretches 51km from Sungai Buloh to Kajang with four rail interchanges, according to documents released in the project website.

Eight stations between KL Sentral and Maluri will be underground as 9.5km of the Sungai Buloh-Kajang (SBK) line will be built under the capital city.

Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) CEO Mohd Nur Ismal Kamal has reportedly said that the cost of underground works would be five to 10 times higher on a per km basis if the line were to go underground, depending on geological conditions.

Groundworks for the SBK line is due to start this July 16 and will be completed in 2016.

There are two other proposed lines under the MRT.

Hatim also suggested that the TTDI station be relocated to Damansara Uptown, a commercial area.

“It can serve Taman Tun, Tropicana shopping centre, Uptown, DJ (Damansara Jaya), DU (Damansara Utama), (and) Damansara Kim. That area’s perfect,” said Hatim.

Sunway Damansara residents said The Curve MRT station would mar the aesthetic image of their neighbourhood in Petaling Jaya.

“If you look at it, Sunway Damansara and the surrounding areas, Mutiara Damansara, are basically hot market areas,” said Sunway Damansara residents’ association president Winslow Wong.

“With the massive columns to support the MRT line, it’s not going to contribute to the aesthetic value,” he added.

Wong pointed out that the MRT station would cause massive traffic jams on Persiaran Surian, which is already congested during peak hours.

“Persiaran Surian is already very narrow with condominiums on both sides, especially nearer to The Curve,” said Wong.

An environmental impact assessment (EIA) report by the project’s environmental consultant ERE Consulting Group warned that significant traffic congestion would affect Persiaran Surian, the LDP and Jalan Semantan in Damansara Heights.

Bandar Utama residents similarly expressed concerns about traffic congestion that may potentially be caused by the 1 Utama and The Curve MRT stations.

“We are worried about the traffic,” said Bandar Utama residents’ association chairman Lim See Meng.

“The jam will be... backed up all the way to DU,” he said.

Low income-owners like the residents of Kampung Sungai Balak in Kajang, however, welcomed Malaysia’s largest infrastructure project.

“If the project does not affect our houses, we have no problem,” said village head Mohd Tahir Salleh.

The EIA report released on Monday said Kampung Sungai Balak residents may be forced out of their homes, which will be the third time they are affected by land acquisition.

But Tahir said the public display of the alignment showed that the proposed Taman Mesra MRT station avoided the village.

“It involves empty landlots... and goes through old roads,” said Tahir.

Batu 11 Cheras residents also supported the MRT project.

“It is very convenient for our area. So far, no complaints,” said Batu 11 Cheras village head Alex Neo.

Affluent neighbourhoods in other countries have similarly opposed big-ticket development projects that are proposed near them, using initiatives which are termed “Not In My Backyard” (NIMBY).

NIMBY protests reportedly stopped the construction of a railway line from Glasgow Central to East Kilbride in Scotland in 1989. The proposal had involved tunnelling under residents’ back gardens.

The MRT is an entry-point project identified for the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area under the Economic Transformation Programme.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said last December that the implementation of the project is expected to generate a gross national income (GNI) of between RM3 billion and RM4 billion beginning in 2011 until 2020.

He had said that between RM8 billion and RM12 billion was expected to be generated in terms of spin-offs from the construction of the MRT project.

The proposed alignment map for the SBK line is up for public viewing until May 14 at seven locations across the city.

They are Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council, Kajang Municipal Council as well as the Bangsar LRT station and the SPAD office in Menara Dayabumi.

The public can provide their feedback on the project via email to feedback@kvmrt.com.my or through the SPAD toll free line at 1-800-82-6868.

The detailed environmental assessment impact report has been uploaded for public viewing at the Department of Environment’s website.

PJ firms, folk want MRT under their backyard
By Boo Su-Lyn and Lee Wei Lian
February 17, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pj-firms-folk-want-mrt-under-their-backyard/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 17 — Residents and businesses in Petaling Jaya want the mammoth Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project to go underground, saying an elevated line cutting across their land-scarce neighbourhoods will cause noise and visual pollution.

Land transport officials have often blamed the cost of tunnelling as the reason for proposing elevated tracks but resident association leaders point out that rail tracks last for years and will serve many generations.

The proposed multi-billion ringgit Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is 51km long, of which 9.5km is a subway under the capital city centre.

Mall owners in the affected vicinity of Petaling Jaya suburbs acknowledge the higher costs but suggest that the additional expenditure can be offset by underground malls that can be built adjacent to the stations.

Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) residents’ association president Mohd Hatim Abdullah said the government should put the line underground as the residential area was already developed. Most TTDI residents have also expressed opposition to the project.

“This (TTDI) is a developed area. There’s no other choice but to build underground,” he told The Malaysian Insider. “It’ll cost... more, but it’ll last 200 to 300 years.”

Damansara Heights residents’ association president Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Abd Rahaman concurred with Hatim and said an underground option was better due to land scarcity.

“No more land in our area. The whole place will be congested,” said Abdul Aziz.

Dato' Teo Chiang Kok, director of See Hoy Chan Holdings, which developed the popular 1Utama mall in Bandar Utama, expressed concern that an elevated track along the narrow Persiaran Surian connecting Mutiara Damansara with Kota Damansara will become a “permanent hindrance”.

“There are no MRT reserves and buffers allocated, and the trains will run very close to homes and offices,” said Teo. “The routing of the elevated track is confined to the routing of Persiaran Surian and the LDP and the stations are not ideally located to cater for highest ridership and miss the high-density commercial and residential areas.”

Teo noted there will be higher construction costs for an underground line but said that it could be funded by retail development.

“It is acknowledged that going underground will be more costly than the elevated track but the residents felt that their long-term interests, noise and pollution, environment, traffic congestion and right to sun-light should take precedence,” he said. “The higher cost can be mitigated with the development of underground shopping facilities adjacent to the underground MRT Stations.”

He added that residents of Kota Damansara, Mutiara Damansara, Sunway Tropicana, Bandar Utama and TTDI wanted the MRT to go underground with a station located between 1Utama and The Curve shopping mall, along with underground “park and ride” facilities.

“The elevated line with the proposed MRT stations at Surian Tower and 1Utama do not have the ability to provide park & ride car parking facilities,” he stressed.

Sunway Damansara residents’ association president Winslow Wong said while people living in the area were supportive of the MRT, they were wary of a heavy rail line slashing across their neighbourhood and suggested that it be built underground.

“With the massive columns to support the MRT line, it’s not going to contribute to the aesthetic value,” he added.

In many developed countries, consideration for public transport is built into all developments including reserving land for future rail corridors that allow trains to be built either elevated or at grade with large stations and minimal disruption to the surrounding community.

Land Public Transport Commission officials have privately said they are now struggling with the legacy problems they have inherited, including poor planning by local authorities and trying to integrate disparate LRT, KTM Komuter and monorail lines into a unified system.

They also expressed frustration that there was a long hiatus between the completion of the LRT lines in 1998 and the start of the KL MRT this year, a 13-year absence of investment in city rail that has set KL far behind its counterparts in the region such as Singapore, Bangkok and Hong Kong.

Industry observers familiar with the MRT project said, however, that it is not just the cost of going underground that is prohibitive but also the precedence that it will set.

“If you go underground in the Petaling Jaya area, the people in Cheras and Kajang can also say — what about us?” said one rail industry veteran. “Then there is not only the initial construction cost but also added cost that comes from maintenance of an underground system. We don’t have the kind of funding that China, Singapore and Hong Kong have.”

An environment impact assessment (EIA) prepard by the Department of Environment said that communities along the line would be affected by noise and dust once the trains are operational.

The noisiest area will be around Jalan Bukit Ledang, Damansara Heights, which is expected to suffer noise levels of 81dB, which a study says is louder than conventional alarm clocks.

Noise and dust will largely affect those within 30m of the rail line, which include 2,080 landed residential units, 2,980 units of condominium and apartments and 1,000 units of flats.

Winehouse

February 17th, 2011, 09:11 AM

i agree in the short run you might think this elevated rail is cheaper but in the long run it will be horrible investment plus when you consider malaysia hot weather and ridiculous traffic around klang valley it's terrible idea to begin with, it's not about snobbishness about rich resident it's about common sense. somewhere down the road they definitely need to put congestion charge once this project going to operate you have to force people to use it and you really need to stop subsidies fuel etc i live in london even my boss use black cab everyday and he's making millions of pound every year .

Botak

February 17th, 2011, 09:29 AM

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 09:55 AM

I seriously doubt there is any chance of going underground. The cost just too prohibitive. We are talking about 3 - 4 times increase of the cost not 30 - 40%. Cost can be mitigated with the development of underground shopping facilities? I guess such malls can barely recover their own construction cost let alone the underground track, else 1U, Pyramid & Pavillion would all have been built underground.:ohno:

I can see the potential of underground shopping space in Damansara and of course, Bukit Bintang. In that, SPAD can work private developer to build that, and they can ask them to share part of the cost, especially underground stations.

kl 2020 ideas

February 17th, 2011, 10:00 AM

Basically, in future, any new developments, especially main roads should have wide corridors or buffer zone to enable future constructions, such as MRT or LRT or even BRT to make things easier.

The current problems, are mostly due to lack of consideration for future expansion.

The Curve, One Utama and TTDI stations, can be combined to one station, in 1 Utama new wing open air car parking lot. Feeder buses (ala public light bus in Hong Kong) can be used to serve TTDI from that station.

That's the thing but the problem is connecting between the malls. Yes it is welcomed for the fact it is dubbed as "PJ's Golden Triangle". And yes for TTDI, give up the station to Damansara Uptown and Tropicana City as those places more deserved than TTDI. Wish can connect Kg. Sungai Penchala. Second option, after 1 Utama station, go to Kg Ara then Damansara Uptown towards Tropicana City afterwards enter Section 17.:)

tbc

February 17th, 2011, 10:06 AM

This 'elevated' vs 'underground' debate centres upon something very fundamental - if you have elevated rail, properties in vicinity will be devalued whilst if it's underground, prices of those places near the stations will go through the roof (generally speaking that is :)) !

Another thing to consider is that we should be building for the future too. Where you see barren expanses today could well be some suburban high street sometime down the road. Whether you dig underneath with associated high costs now or allow the cheaper alternative of elevated tracks to hinder the area from attaining its full potential in future - only time can tell on wisdom (or otherwise) of our town planners and leaders :)

daeng_jal

February 17th, 2011, 10:13 AM

^^ even if it elevated,the surrounding properties value still soars

i believe sze had told u this b4

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 10:27 AM

^^ even if it elevated,the surrounding properties value still soars

i believe sze had told u this b4

Depends on the proximity.

Apart from building MRT line and improving feeder bus service, it is time to look at improvement the surrounding areas, such as pavements around housing estates and nearby commercial areas, it should be wide enough to allow comfortable walking or even biking.

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 10:29 AM

^^ I guess the residents of my Damansara area gave the Govt few FINAL OPTIONS:

1. Build underground.
2. If elevated, then NO to Persiaran Surian and Jalan Damansara.
3. If elevated, buy up the homes fronting the MRT Line.
4. If None of the above, please don't build MRT in our area. :)

We need more space for our Toyotas, Hondas, Lexus, BMWs, Jaguars, Audis, Mercs, etc to run on the road. :nuts:

tbc

February 17th, 2011, 02:57 PM

^^ even if it elevated,the surrounding properties value still soars

i believe sze had told u this b4

I'm not in the habit of taking in anyone's word as the gospel truth :)

daeng_jal

February 17th, 2011, 03:08 PM

^^ hehe,but my fren does buy a house in tmn melati really next to it track and terminal

its seems the closer u get to the station the more expensive it has been

Jambol

February 17th, 2011, 03:52 PM

All these discussion really saddens me:

a) It is apparent that underground MRT lines are more cost effective for developed areas. But our government, unlike Spore and HK, simply have no resources to pay 3-4 times more on underground works. (My Spore fren told me that 1 underground station is equivalent to 7 elevated stations in terms of cost for the S'pore MRT)

b) If the elevated MRT lines are constructed, I can't imagine how ugly KL city will look like.

c) All these lack of buffer zones, building just infront of others' houses, potential noise pollution just to show how poor the urban planning has been. And of course, there is evidently no correlation between urban and transportation planning.

d) Tho public suggestions are good, but all these public outcry and suggestions that stations should be built "here" and not "there", show that they may not be sufficiently in-depth study to maximise the population/passengers catchment area. They probably site a station based on convenience.

e) More on insufficient planning, I do not think there will be provisions provided for future lines or potential MRT interchanges during the preparation of the KSB line. If ever the 2nd or 3rd lines come onboard, i hope not to see the Masjid Jamek interchange model where I need to get out of one station, cross the road in rain and shine, to get into another line.

f) We are only talking about the 1st MRT line here. For a projected population of 6-7m of pple in Klang Valley, we will need at least 5 lines. Our neighbour Spore, with a population of 5m, is already building its 5th line, and planning for the 6th and 7th line.

hazlan

February 17th, 2011, 04:15 PM

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 04:16 PM

However, even ppl at Gamuda-MMC now thinks the ROUTE proposed by SPAD is the best.

There are many pros and cons. Hard to make decisions.

hazlan

February 17th, 2011, 04:17 PM

I'm not in the habit of taking in anyone's word as the gospel truth :)

properties will gain price appreciation regardless have MRT or not...

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 04:17 PM

All these discussion really saddens me:
f) We are only talking about the 1st MRT line here. For a projected population of 6-7m of pple in Klang Valley, we will need at least 5 lines. Our neighbour Spore, with a population of 5m, is already building its 5th line, and planning for the 6th and 7th line.

Regarding about 6-7 million people in Klang Valley, need 5 lines, population is not the only factor in determining the number of lines need to be built to support the needs of transit in a conurbation.

We need to look at the concentration of population too, and the density.

TWK90

February 17th, 2011, 04:21 PM

However, even ppl at Gamuda-MMC now thinks the ROUTE proposed by SPAD is the best.

There are many pros and cons. Hard to make decisions.

In my opinion, despite the various opinions, i am sure the MRT will come to fruition, but of course, it needs to be planned properly, some stations are too close to each other. Make sure the line will be good to serve not just for 10 or 20 years, but even 50 to 100 years.

Many people talk about MRT and feeder bus. However, attentions need to be given on improving our pedestrian facilities too. Basics such as decent pavement, properly design zebra crossing, what else....things that do promote cycling a few hundred metres from home to a station.

hazlan

February 17th, 2011, 04:21 PM

However, even ppl at Gamuda-MMC now thinks the ROUTE proposed by SPAD is the best.

There are many pros and cons. Hard to make decisions.

SPAD?
kat mana nak tgk proposed route by SPAD?

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 04:21 PM

Residential Property about 300m or more from MRT Station (not MRT line) will GAIN the most.

However, the residential property extremely close to MRT may DROP! (just like those along KJ Line in PJ)

daeng_jal

February 17th, 2011, 04:27 PM

^^
depends, i see a rise in property closed to LRT not as well as 300meters away

but i would love to have one just outside my house n not need a feeder bus,taxi,or car to get to the said station

daeng_jal

February 17th, 2011, 04:29 PM

properties will gain price appreciation regardless have MRT or not...

im talking bout the % increase more than the usual rate

hazlan

February 17th, 2011, 04:31 PM

Residential Property about 300m or more from MRT Station (not MRT line) will GAIN the most.

However, the residential property extremely close to MRT may DROP! (just like those along KJ Line in PJ)

not always true... residential area along ampang line, stn pandan jaya, pandan indah, cempaka, ampang, maluri, the price propeties more less the same as the rest of areas....

having MRT is not the only factor

if you like certain area, ada MRT ke tak, it doesnt really matter...

money is not everything... as long as u live happily, who cares about how much money you have... bukan boleh bawak masuk kubor kalau dah mati....wondering orang terkaya kat malaysia tu apalah erti duit byk banyak kalau hidup dia pun dah tak lama lagi nak mati... money is not everything unless you can live for another 1000 years

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 04:55 PM

I think it depends which level of property you're talking about.

Most of the more expensive properties in Damansara will not appreciate much more than those in Cheras and Kajang simply because of MRT.

More ppl in PJ are looking for gated communities, highly secured township, near to vibrant makan and shopping place. MRT itself will not help 2 of the criterias as it will bring more pollution, noise, dust, jam at station areas which are on major roads, and lastly I don't think the MRT brings CEOs/Managers/Exec to their office in Jalan Sultan Ismail area.

Even my colleagues here always complain HEAT, HOT, RAIN and only eat in Modern Kopitiams or Starbucks.

Quoted from another forum:

MRT will definitely have good impact for commercial properties.
MRT will have good impact for condos catered for Expatriates because most don't have cars and will need to stay near a rail transit.
MRT will have good impact for low cost apartments but not necessarily in appreciation, but in rental. Low cost very slow to appreciate. Example, Wangsa Maju - easy to rent, high occupancy. LRT surely helped there. But slow appreciation.

MRT will have IMHO a negative effect for high end residences (such as TTDI and DH) because rich men don't use public transport and it only causes congestion, reducing the desirability of staying there. I feel especially bad for the residents of TTDI. The congestion is already bad enough, let alone a MRT station to make it worse... thumbsdown.

nideru_90

February 17th, 2011, 05:11 PM

patchay

February 17th, 2011, 05:41 PM

haow about the property close to highway...is it drop also??

Yes..... the appreciation of homes along LDP (PJ section) hasn't gone as much as areas not-so close to highways.

TTDI and Damansara Utama is a good example. The ones deeper TTDI are averagely more expensive than those link near LDP. (Note: For highrise it's abit different)

Also we know LDP cuts deep in Taman Paramount, Kelana Jaya, Taman Bahagia areas. For a very long time, the LRT hasn't help much until recently due to collective rise of all homes in PJ.

But to be fair, all homes are appreciated during good and inflation times. :)

Again I think the Chinese are most KIASU, cannot close to MRT, cannot T-junction, cannot afternoon sun, etc etc.... As such other factors will come into play given the scenario nowadays the youth are buying properties.

(And I'm one of them!! My first property at a young age haha. So happy it's not-so-near but walking distance to a MRT stop. (that's why I told NSTP I sokong MRT))

tbc

February 18th, 2011, 01:30 AM

Residential Property about 300m or more from MRT Station (not MRT line) will GAIN the most
Good observation, this distinction between station's and line's effect on property values !

..... it needs to be planned properly, some stations are too close to each other. Make sure the line will be good to serve not just for 10 or 20 years, but even 50 to 100 years.
If it's built elevated, then scope for expansion when need arises in future will be curtailed by physical space limitations. Even now there are already so many obstacles, imagine what can possibly be done in time to come when the place becomes more congested than it already is ?

TWK90

February 18th, 2011, 01:51 AM

If it's built elevated, then scope for expansion when need arises in future will be curtailed by physical space limitations. Even now there are already so many obstacles, imagine what can possibly be done in time to come when the place becomes more congested than it already is ?

Depends on which area.

From what i see, stations around Sg Buloh area do not really have physical space limitations, at the moment. Whereas there is limitation and congestion in areas such as The Curve, One Utama, TTDI and probably Semantan.

tbc

February 18th, 2011, 04:47 AM

I think it's fair assumption that in building the MRT, one primary objective is to make those areas served more 'desirable' due to better accessibility, and with that in place, developers will move in and do their usual deed, ie build and build and build. That is how I understand cities and suburbs grow. And with this growth comes more congestion, which will require more MRT lines, which may not be possible if the lines are built above ground

This here will be the bottleneck if the urban planners do not get their act right at this beginning stage

Having said that, it is also necessary to balance out costs now vs preparing for the future :)

allurban

February 18th, 2011, 05:52 AM

Depends on which area.

From what i see, stations around Sg Buloh area do not really have physical space limitations, at the moment. Whereas there is limitation and congestion in areas such as The Curve, One Utama, TTDI and probably Semantan.I disagree - if the route is planned properly there would be very little space limitation.

In the case of The Curve, the station will be located right next to Surian tower and will basically cover the intersection along the north side. There is space along the north side of Surian basically from the NKVE all the way to LDP, with only one area that is very narrow, opposite that little mini-mall with the home reno store called Haus.

If they intend to route the MRT over the LDP there is a lot of room after the Surian underpass at The Curve - one pillar in the middle of Surian is all that will be required - and Im sure there is already a plan to put ads on the guideway as it crosses Surian (after all, billboards only have 1 side, the guideway has 2 sides) :banana:

Since they are planning to build the 1 Utama station opposite the Old Wing (and closer to the One World Hotel) there is definitely enough room along the LDP for a very gradual curve from the Curve to 1 Utama and from 1 Utama to Jalan Damansara.

Not to mention, there is no reason why the massive parking lots at the 1 Utama complex cannot be used as a Park & Ride facility. The best way to do it would be to get MRT users to buy a monthly parking pass - many would certainly be willing to, especially if they could reserve parking) and those riders would become potential customers too!

I bet IBM would start buying MRT passes for their employees as well - especially those who have to travel between BU and KL.

Now Semantan, on the other hand...I'm really not sure how they will get the MRT over the hill after Pusat Bandar Damansara - there is really very little space there.

Cheers, m

eveonline

February 18th, 2011, 09:50 AM

I disagree - if the route is planned properly there would be very little space limitation.

In the case of The Curve, the station will be located right next to Surian tower and will basically cover the intersection along the north side. There is space along the north side of Surian basically from the NKVE all the way to LDP, with only one area that is very narrow, opposite that little mini-mall with the home reno store called Haus.

If they intend to route the MRT over the LDP there is a lot of room after the Surian underpass at The Curve - one pillar in the middle of Surian is all that will be required - and Im sure there is already a plan to put ads on the guideway as it crosses Surian (after all, billboards only have 1 side, the guideway has 2 sides) :banana:

Since they are planning to build the 1 Utama station opposite the Old Wing (and closer to the One World Hotel) there is definitely enough room along the LDP for a very gradual curve from the Curve to 1 Utama and from 1 Utama to Jalan Damansara.

Not to mention, there is no reason why the massive parking lots at the 1 Utama complex cannot be used as a Park & Ride facility. The best way to do it would be to get MRT users to buy a monthly parking pass - many would certainly be willing to, especially if they could reserve parking) and those riders would become potential customers too!

I bet IBM would start buying MRT passes for their employees as well - especially those who have to travel between BU and KL.

Now Semantan, on the other hand...I'm really not sure how they will get the MRT over the hill after Pusat Bandar Damansara - there is really very little space there.

Cheers, m

Sorry I somewhat disagree with the current route. I am of the belief that the current planned route is not optimal at the Kota Damansara-Curve-One U-Tmn Tun stretch. Even if you are able to squeeze in the MRT pillars along Persiaran Surian/LDP to build the MRT, it would be dangerous as you will have no buffers and other aspects such as future road works and pedestrian walkways will be affected due to the space taken up by the MRT.

IMHO, from Dataran Sunway onwards, the MRT should go underground. The station at Curve can be moved closer to Damansara Perdana and support the entire Damansara Perdana and offices there. Behind the Petronas and Menara UAC preferably. Boustead should not mind as it is still their plot of land. Surian Tower location currently is already very packed with vehicles.

The station at One Utama should be shifted from opposite One U (which is actually Tmn Tun land actually) and replace the golf driving range or part of the open air carpark next to Giant at One Utama. This place has more land and will make it closer to the Curve. Again the rail lines should be underground. To offset the cost of the underground tunnelling, build a stretch of underground malls to link One Utama to the MRT and to the Curve aka what you have in Marina Link in Singapore between City Hall/ Raffles/ Esplanade. This will be a great boost and link the populations of Curve with One Utama which are already so close yet so far. And it will be great for retail aspects in both malls. And with the station closer to Curve, the population at Pelangi Damansara/Palm Springs will still be able to access the One Utama station easily even though the Curve station has moved nearer to DP.

The Taman Tun station is not optimal. There are minimal offices in Taman Tun and population density is low. Better to move it to Damansara Uptown. See Hoy Chan has already indicated willingness to fund the station cost. This will serve the entire office population of Damansara Uptown whose workers are mainly locals from the nearby areas anyway.

All the stations may be located above ground, but the rail lines in this stretch will have to be underground. This is important because we always underestimate space to build MRT pillars (precision building is not our forte) and underground lines open up the possibility of adding parking space, which is something Klang Valley sorely lacks. One Utama though having large parking facilities, is already at full capacity during weekends (try going into One Utama after 11am on a Saturday). More parking space will always be beneficial, and the space taken will be offset by retail lots built around it as it will already have a large captive population by the people who park there.

patchay

February 18th, 2011, 03:09 PM

The thing is Underground retail mall is a good idea but VERY EXPENSIVE.

I think SPAD and its partners namely BN, Prasarana and Gamuda-MMC has no money to even fund the underground tracks, so what more underground mall.

The returns for retail mall is always long, long... I think by that time, SPAD would have no money at all to build MRT 2, MRT 3, rumoured MRT 4, Monorail extension. No need to mention about those outside KV.

I support!

- Dataran Sunway - Damansara Perdana (from Persiaran Mahogani cross over to PJU 3/31 near Sunway Damansara Industrial Park connecting Damansara Perdana's PJU 8/1) - Central Park (between The Curve and 1U) - Damansara Uptown - ...

allurban

February 18th, 2011, 07:26 PM

Sorry I somewhat disagree with the current route. I am of the belief that the current planned route is not optimal at the Kota Damansara-Curve-One U-Tmn Tun stretch. Even if you are able to squeeze in the MRT pillars along Persiaran Surian/LDP to build the MRT, it would be dangerous as you will have no buffers and other aspects such as future road works and pedestrian walkways will be affected due to the space taken up by the MRT.

IMHO, from Dataran Sunway onwards, the MRT should go underground. The station at Curve can be moved closer to Damansara Perdana and support the entire Damansara Perdana and offices there. Behind the Petronas and Menara UAC preferably. Boustead should not mind as it is still their plot of land. Surian Tower location currently is already very packed with vehicles.

The station at One Utama should be shifted from opposite One U (which is actually Tmn Tun land actually) and replace the golf driving range or part of the open air carpark next to Giant at One Utama. This place has more land and will make it closer to the Curve. Again the rail lines should be underground. To offset the cost of the underground tunnelling, build a stretch of underground malls to link One Utama to the MRT and to the Curve aka what you have in Marina Link in Singapore between City Hall/ Raffles/ Esplanade. This will be a great boost and link the populations of Curve with One Utama which are already so close yet so far. And it will be great for retail aspects in both malls. And with the station closer to Curve, the population at Pelangi Damansara/Palm Springs will still be able to access the One Utama station easily even though the Curve station has moved nearer to DP.

The Taman Tun station is not optimal. There are minimal offices in Taman Tun and population density is low. Better to move it to Damansara Uptown. See Hoy Chan has already indicated willingness to fund the station cost. This will serve the entire office population of Damansara Uptown whose workers are mainly locals from the nearby areas anyway.

All the stations may be located above ground, but the rail lines in this stretch will have to be underground. This is important because we always underestimate space to build MRT pillars (precision building is not our forte) and underground lines open up the possibility of adding parking space, which is something Klang Valley sorely lacks. One Utama though having large parking facilities, is already at full capacity during weekends (try going into One Utama after 11am on a Saturday). More parking space will always be beneficial, and the space taken will be offset by retail lots built around it as it will already have a large captive population by the people who park there.I've already said that going underground from Dataran Sunway to Bandar Utama would be my ideal situation - with a station located under Central Park & the expanded bus terminal - but no more surface parking lots!

As for the idea of an underground mall linking 1 Utama and the Curve, that's probably not going to happen. What is more likely to happen is that SHC will build more buildings on their "Dataran Parking Lot", extending from the new wing of 1 Utama all the way up to the driving range. Perhaps there will be an above ground walkway from the driving range to the Curve but who knows if that would happen.

But it really does depend on how much money it will cost and how willing SPAD is to pay for the cost of tunneling...because despite all the talk from SHC, we do not know how much money they are ready to put up for the project.

If SPAD & SHC could work together, then the station & tunnel can be built using the cut & cover method and pilings for the future buildings can be sunk at the same time, just as KL Sentral was prepared. "Underground" parking decks can be put in place as well - in fact, if timed well, the new buildings, parking, and the MRT can be ready at the same time. If timed poorly, we could end up with another version of Plaza Rakyat.

As for TTDI if they do not want they station they do not have to have it. Personally, I have no problem with the station location and routing through TTDI - it is a direct route that will cost less money and with that station location it would still be easy to run shuttle buses to Tropicana & Damansara Uptown.

However we would like to speculate on the route, until we have real numbers showing the costs of the various options (which SPAD should actually be making public) then we will never know which choice is really best.

Cheers, m

szehoong

February 19th, 2011, 05:53 PM

rizalhakim

February 22nd, 2011, 07:46 AM

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kl 2020 ideas

February 22nd, 2011, 10:18 AM

We don't care even if the cost is RM60 billion and above. I know I'm talking off topic but all they care is the investments in short term. And so economy also cannot just cheat to increase. You see what happen 10 years ago on Nasdaq and the world. Ignore the short term as it will be useless in the long run. So for the people's sake, BUILD IT UNDERGROUND!!!

patchay

February 22nd, 2011, 02:31 PM

SPAD says MRT land acquisition notices legal
By Clara Chooi
February 22, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/spad-says-mrt-land-acquisition-notices-legal/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 22 — The Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) has assured Taman Tun Dr Ismail residents here that their houses or land will not be acquired until the regulator receives feedback and finalises details of the Klang Valley Mass Rapid Transit (MRT).

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Residents staying in this road — Jalan Pinggir Zaaba — in Taman Tun Dr Ismail are the ones who will be most affected by the MRT project. — Picture by Choo Choy May

It also maintained today that the authorities had acted within legal boundaries in its method of informing residents that their land may be acquired to make way for the 51km line from Sungai Buloh to Kajang.

SPAD chief executive officer Mohd Nur Kamal, in a statement this evening, said that the decision would only be made after public viewing on the multibillion ringgit rail project closes on May 14.

“The government will ensure that all information will be provided during the public display to engage and receive feedback from residents, not only in Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) but in other affected areas, so that the final outcome would cause minimal disturbance and inconvenience to the rakyat.

“At the same time, it will ensure the rakyat benefits from the proposed Klang Valley MRT Sungai Buloh-Kajang (SBK) line,” he said.

Mohd Nur was responding to recent complaints raised by TTDI residents in the media over notices they had discovered in their neighbourhood, informing them that their land would likely be acquired for the SBK line, the first line in the three-line MRT.

The residents had found the notices, dated February 10, stuck on trees and lamp posts along the streets last week and had cried foul over SPAD's method of informing them of the impending acquisition.

Mohd Nur said that the notices had been issued according to procedures outlined under the Land Acquisition Act 1960 and the National Land Code.

Under section 4 of the Act, he said, the respective Land and Mines Department director in every state was responsible for pinning up the notices “as close to the land as possible”, informing the public that the area had been gazetted for possible acquisition.

“It is only after public feedback has been received and consultations undertaken with various bodies that the exact plots of land that may be acquired can be confirmed.

“At this stage, under section 8 of the Act, individual owners of the plots of land to be acquired will be notified directly,” he said, adding that the procedure was similar for any piece of land to be acquired by the government.

Mohd Nur also noted that in most cases, the actual area of acquisition was often smaller than the original proposal.

In the TTDI case, he said the Federal Territories Land and Mines office had put up the notices on the proposed allocations in the “general vicinity” of the area, while SPAD had pinned a note of its own to explain the notice.

This, he added, was to provide a clearer picture to those who may be affected by the acquisition.

“It is only after public feedback is received throughout the public display period from February 14 to May 14 would a final decision be made on which particular plots of land would need to be acquired, if at all.

“Following this, SPAD will share the feedback on the process of notice issuance with the relevant agencies with an eye towards improving the government’s services to the rakyat,” he said.

According to the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) study on the MRT, occupants of 473 lots of land totalling 97 hectares will have to make way for the project.

They include those in diverse areas such as TTDI as well as Malay reserve land located along the 51km rail line.

Of the lots that are set to be acquired, 103 are located within the Sungai Buloh-Semantan stretch, 163 over the underground section between Semantan and Maluri in Kuala Lumpur, and 207 along the Maluri-Kajang segment.

The SBK line will start from the Sungai Buloh KTM station and make its way through the capital city and four other municipalities before ending at the Kajang KTM station, where the report said there would be a "loss of social cohesion, sense of community and current lifestyle for long standing communities" while land owners would suffer as the "value of property may decline if only part of the lot is acquired."

"Residents affected by the acquisition and relocation could potentially endure problems such as temporary disruption to lives and loss of social cohesion unless they relocate within the immediate neighbourhood.

"In the case of businesses, there will be potential loss of customers — particularly businesses that rely on the local neighbourhoods," said the project's environmental consultant ERE Consulting Group in the report.

The Klang Valley MRT will have 35 stations along its 51km line that stretches from Sungai Buloh to Kajang, with 13 proposed park-and-ride stations and four interchanges.

Eight of the stations will be underground as 9.5km of the line will be built under the capital city. Groundwork for the MRT is due to start this July 16 and will be completed in 2016.

The MRT is an entry-point project identified for the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area under the Economic Transformation Programme.

Its proposed alignment map for the SBK is up for public viewing until May 14 at seven locations across the city.

They are Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council, Kajang Municipal Council as well as the Bangsar LRT station and the SPAD office in Menara Dayabumi.

The public can provide their feedback on the project via email to feedback@kvmrt.com.my or through the SPAD toll-free line at 1-800-82-6868.

very rude and disrespectful of SPAD for TTDI residents :bash:

MRT land acquisition last straw for TTDI residents
By Melissa Zavier
February 22, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mrt-land-acquisition-last-straw-for-ttdi-residents/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 22 — Residents of Jalan Pinggir Zaaba, Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) here are having sleepless nights worrying about their homes which they are set to lose to the proposed mass rapid transit (MRT) system come May.

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On February 10, they were shocked to find land acquisition notices stuck on trees in front their homes.

Residents who spoke to The Malaysian Insider said it was disrespectful to paste the notice on trees and also unprofessional for the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) to do such a thing.

“Being forced to leave the residential area is like commanding me to divorce his wife of 23 years,” said a disgruntled Salleh Muhammad.

The notice tells residents that the government is in the process of implementing the Klang Valley MRT project and that their land is more likely to be acquired for the project.

Although the homes in Jalan Pinggir Zaaba are not as grand as those in nearby Taman Zaaba, many were recently renovated.

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Standing in front his newly-renovated home, Helmi is lost for words over the MRT project.For someone who just renovated his home of 11 years last November, Helmi Al’ Attas said he could only feel cheated and sad after learning about the land acquisition notice.

“I saved really hard over the period of 11 years to renovate my home,” said Helmi who bought his property for more than RM400,000 at the time.

“My son spent at least RM500,000 on his home and that does not include renovations. We wanted to live close by and this is what we get,” said a retired teacher who only identified herself as Mrs Wong.

Her home, together with 32 others including a corner lot her son just moved into a month ago, will be affected by the MRT project.

She said she has lived on the road for 34 years, “long enough to witness the birth of TTDI.”

Residents here pointed out that they have not objected to many projects in the neighbourhood that have disrupted their peace.

Having already lost their “feng shui” due to a three-metre-high wall built 20 metres from their gates, the residents have broken their silence and questioned the need for the MRT project in their area.

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The SPAD notice stuck on a tree.“Back then, my house cost me just RM55,600. It is now worth a million due to the area and its developments,” said Mrs Wong, who said she would welcome an underground train project rather than an elevated one.

Pouring out her distress over the prospect of having to relocate, she told The Malaysian Insider that she welcomes development in TTDI but not if it will cost the residents their homes.

“We let them build roads and block our houses with a brick wall which was supposed to minimise noise from the roads. But in the end, this is what we get for letting everything go,” she added.

Retiree Salleh’s main concern was parting with his neighbours who have become his best friends.

Salleh, who has been living in the area for 22 years, said he is comfortable being where he is as he and his family — spanning three generations — have grown accustomed to the noise coming from the road.

“At this time, I’m sceptical if I should or should not continue with the renovations,” said Helmi, who has organised and sent a petition to SPAD while still replacing the flooring of his home.

The residents are also unhappy with the inconsistent details on the project and the short time span given to debate on the issue.

“We are yet to receive a visit from SPAD but at the moment, I feel lost and speechless about the whole scenario,” said Helmi. :ohno:

silentreader

February 22nd, 2011, 02:49 PM

hazlan

February 22nd, 2011, 02:57 PM

And from where the gov will get the money? From you? :ohno:

i have an idea,
lets move TTDI to somewhere else , in jungle maybe... ultimate peace assurance :cheers:

Popoko

February 23rd, 2011, 07:11 AM

t3ars_culprit

February 23rd, 2011, 07:49 AM

TWK90

February 23rd, 2011, 07:54 AM

Popoko

February 23rd, 2011, 08:03 AM

Malaysian like cars...:cheers:

I had notice that in SG, the children are so independent.. I noticed a group of children around the age of 7 years old taking public transport like bus to go to school.. In Malaysia, the parents would sending their children off to school by private vehicle.. See the different?? :banana:

The system must be in place and reliable first so ppl can rely on the public transport...then discourage ppl from using car to city center. Like Singapore use the ERP system.

daeng_jal

February 23rd, 2011, 08:26 AM

since KL got some decent public transit
maybe they can reduce the oil subsidies in GKL

n p in the savin for pasarana to use
but,i don't think this will work though,malaysian so spoil

patchay

February 23rd, 2011, 10:50 AM

TWK90

February 23rd, 2011, 11:48 AM

i suggest use a few billion to upgrade the existing and extension of KJ Line into MRT first...

Upgrading Kelana Jaya line to MRT is very unlikely.

First of all, the platforms, and especially on the underground stations, all are 4 carriage long or about 67 metres long. Second, extending platforms on underground stations might be disruptive to daily operation on the existing LRT, in my opinion.

Frankly, challenges on implementing MRT are expected, due to the fact of the mistakes of our urban planning and layout in the first place. Our urban layouts and design are never meant for developing public transit in the first place.

Another thing is that the unreliable public transport system is another thing that shapes public opinion on public transport, and so they will keep driving, and when they listen about new projects, it is usually met with skepticism because of the current state of public transport.

That said, MRT for Cheras and Damansara is very necessary, you have two higher density areas with growing population which is not served by rail. On feeder bus system, what i can think of is to study feeder bus routes, then implement improvement works along the proposed feeder bus routes, such as bus lanes (when necessary) plus reprogramming traffic light system so that it will give priority to MRT feeder bus.

tunomura

February 23rd, 2011, 12:05 PM

^^ some company need to change petrol allowance to public transport allowance in order to encourage their employees to use public transport..:cheers:

Originally Posted by patchay

i suggest use a few billion to upgrade the existing and extension of KJ Line into MRT first...

today TRANSITMY blasted the SPAD for its short sighted statistics on MRT.... and fyi ppl from Damansara do not take Bus, BRT or watever not, but is ppl from elsewhere taking Bus to Damansara and goin back.

Also fyi, it seems the MRT thingy has got lotsa consultants confused on wat to do next. I think not enough study is being done, even so it seems the study give a CONFUSING results, for example: Malaysians hate Jams, but Malaysians Love to Drive on Jam Roads. Malaysians Love MRT but Hate to Drive to MRT station.

Omg, it's just the beginning and I've seen SOOOOOO many problems......

Sounds scary to implement MRT on June 16 huhh?

Yup, very very very scary...SPAD said, in March, they will come out with Urban Public Transportation Planning which will consist three MRT line including SBK Line. Lets hope more and more integrated station so that i can go anywhere within Greater KL only by using rail system :cheers:

TWK90

February 23rd, 2011, 12:34 PM

^^ some company need to change petrol allowance to public transport allowance in order to encourage their employees to use public transport..:cheers:

Yup, very very very scary...SPAD said, in March, they will come out with Urban Public Transportation Planning which will consist three MRT line including SBK Line. Lets hope more and more integrated station so that i can go anywhere within Greater KL only by using rail system :cheers:

Unless public transport reliability and frequency improves, there is no way company can change petrol allowance to public transport allowance as there is no clear benefit at the moment.

For example, certain bus routes, for example has low frequency (need to wait an hour just for a bus) and the coverage is still sporadic.

kl 2020 ideas

February 23rd, 2011, 12:36 PM

And from where the gov will get the money? From you? :ohno:

Well, that is the only way to get from. Look at Singapore, uses billions and billions at least 30 billion Singapore dollars that is like $22 billion USD on underground and yet they are successful. BTW, if it is underground, there's high possibility that many TTDI people won't complain.

Build Underground = No eyesore pillars and free noise (with the exception of LDP)
Build Elevated = TTDI people complain until MRT will never get build.

So Silentreader, make your choice. Build or let us suffer. Keep this in mind, Jakarta and Hanoi is now building a MRT and metro lines respectively. If we don't do this, we will be totally dead by 2025. Literally, we will be sick of traffic jam and will occur like everyday.

TWK90

February 23rd, 2011, 12:41 PM

mrtfreak

February 23rd, 2011, 12:46 PM

I feel our govern dont learn from singapore. Over here the MRT is intergrated with bus hub that provide feeder service to surrounding area. To maximise people to use the MRT, there must be a system to connect ppl from their home to the MRT station. There is no park n ride system in singapore. Parking car in the station is waste of space that can be use to build a bus hub that ferry ppl from their home. and service must be realible too.
Sorry to burst your bubble. We DO have park & ride in Singapore. :) The station nearest to me has a park & ride designated car park. We don't have specially allocated parking spaces, but rather, existing car parks are converted to sustain park & ride systems. Here, commuters pick a from a list of park & ride lots throughout the island and purchase a ticket for a period of time. For example, I purchase a park & ride nearest to Marymount station and I have season access during P&R hours to park there for the duration of the pass. But I can only park at that specific station's designated lots which are an existing car park belonging to the public housing board.

Well, that is the only way to get from. Look at Singapore, uses billions and billions at least 30 billion Singapore dollars that is like $22 billion USD on underground and yet they are successful. BTW, if it is underground, there's high possibility that many TTDI people won't complain.

Build Underground = No eyesore pillars and free noise (with the exception of LDP)
Build Elevated = TTDI people complain until MRT will never get build.

So Silentreader, make your choice. Build or let us suffer. Keep this in mind, Jakarta and Hanoi is now building a MRT and metro lines respectively. If we don't do this, we will be totally dead by 2025. Literally, we will be sick of traffic jam and will occur like everyday.
Its pretty hard to please everyone. If you build it underground, places like Kajang might not get their side of the line done up. Overall though, it seems quite hasty this attempt to get an MRT going. More transparency was needed and the TTDI residents should accept partial blame as well. If they knew, or at least had heard of rumours, of the line passing through since 2006 but not said anything till a semi-finalised routing was released, then it is of their own doing.

Even so though, I find it quite difficult to route the line otherwise without maintaining costs as they are. There are other routes, but the costs would escalate for sure. As with every project - elevated or underground - there is always give and take. During Singapore's MRT construction, some homes were even demolished.

tomkat

February 23rd, 2011, 12:49 PM

This line should be extended to Putrajaya in the future. At least terminates at Alamanda station and integrates with Putrajaya Monorail.

TWK90

February 23rd, 2011, 12:54 PM

Even so though, I find it quite difficult to route the line otherwise without maintaining costs as they are. There are other routes, but the costs would escalate for sure. As with every project - elevated or underground - there is always give and take. During Singapore's MRT construction, some homes were even demolished.

There is a plan for land acquisition for the MRT project.

Anyway, i say there is real need of increasing the number of buses in Klang Valley. At the moment, RapidKL has 1,200 buses.

Add that with extra 470 buses, with total of 1,670 buses, still not enough.

daeng_jal

February 23rd, 2011, 12:57 PM

Well, that is the only way to get from. Look at Singapore, uses billions and billions at least 30 billion Singapore dollars that is like $22 billion USD on underground and yet they are successful. BTW, if it is underground, there's high possibility that many TTDI people won't complain.

Build Underground = No eyesore pillars and free noise (with the exception of LDP)
Build Elevated = TTDI people complain until MRT will never get build.

So Silentreader, make your choice. Build or let us suffer. Keep this in mind, Jakarta and Hanoi is now building a MRT and metro lines respectively. If we don't do this, we will be totally dead by 2025. Literally, we will be sick of traffic jam and will occur like everyday.

some say, for every underground station in singapore,it could build 7 station

singapore however,has finite area, and limited land to build upon,n diff set of law and soil so going under are more beneficial for them, they free up land,provide shelter in case of war,not to mention the early(main) line at the most dense area are build elevated,when the rail km\people are low

here,we are currently have low rail km\people, and instead of increasing the KM of lines,u rather to have 1 underground station then 7 station?
just because it an eyesore and people complain?

plz bear in mind cheras,damansara are not only people in KL tau,we got SA,klang,sg buloh, not to mention png,JB,KCH lagi

so everyone else got to suffer,just so u get ur fancy underground MRT?
even the tube in london have more above n elevated section then tunnel

so "not ori" damansara n TTDI people,stop being ultra NIMBY:nuts:
sell ur property off when it appreciated due to the MRT n get the *&%$ out of there pronto (how hard can it be)

patchay

February 23rd, 2011, 03:32 PM

Sorry but I not a fan of Bus and BRT either. Alot of ppl including me have NEVER taken RapidKL Bus in Malaysia. To change that mindset is just a DREAM.

Transit says MRT will come up short
By Clara Chooi
February 23, 2011
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/transit-says-mrt-will-come-up-short/

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 23 — A transport advocacy group claimed today that it was impossible for the Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) system to achieve its ferrying targets based on its fleet size and passenger capacity.

In a statement on its website transitmy.org this morning, the Association for the Improvement of Mass Transit (Transit) argued that with only 58 available MRT trains, each with a maximum passenger capacity of 1,200 people, the system would not be able to achieve its 30,000 passengers per hour per direction (PPHPD) target.

The group added that even if all 58 carriages were to ply the 90-minute route from Sungai Buloh to Kajang (SBK), the first in the proposed three-line project, the system would still only achieve 24,000 PPHPD.

Even then, it said this was unlikely as at least 10 per cent of the fleet should be reserved as spare trains, meaning that only 52 or 53 trains would be available for use.

“If you look closely at the numbers, there is no way for the MRT to achieve 30,000 PPHPD or the 40,000 as targeted by the government,” the statement said.

To achieve 40,000 PPHPD, said Transit, the system would have to provide at least one train for every 109 seconds or 33 trains for every hour, which would allow the MRT to achieve 39,600 PPHPD.

“But again, that is maximum design capacity — typically trains would be less frequent and passenger capacity lower,” the group said.

Transit went on to state that with a 58-train fleet, a maximum of 29 trains would be available for use in each direction if all cars were utilised.

With 29 trains travelling in each direction of the 90-minute SBK line, it pointed out, the number of trains available per direction per hour was only 19.

“Let’s say it is 20 trains. But then the line capacity of 39,600 PPHPD requires 33 trains. With only 20 trains per hour per direction, the line capacity is only 24,000 PPHPD (1,200 passenger X 20 trains).

“It is not close to 30,000 as stated, let alone the 40,000 supposedly required by the government,” it concluded.

The group also argued that the MRT project regulators had not justified its reasons for setting the 40,000 PPHPD target at any of the proposed rail corridors.

The Malaysian Insider reported yesterday excerpts from the detailed Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) report prepared for the multi-billion project where consultants ruled out the possibility of an alternative bus transit system to replace the MRT.

In the report, consultants from ERE Consultancy Group said this was because the BRT would not be able to cope with the rail’s target to achieve 30,000 PPHPD and an eventual 40,000 PPHPD.

Transit chairman Muhammad Zulkarnain Hamzah had suggested in a report on The Malaysian Insider on Monday that a Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system should be implemented in place of the MRT.

Zulkarnain claimed that a well-developed BRT should be developed before the government embarked on the more ambitious and expensive MRT, as it could achieve the same targets at a cheaper cost.

The EIA, released on February 14, had however ruled out such a system as an alternative to the MRT, but noted that such a system was a viable “intermediate” solution to be developed in places where there is low public transport modal share.

A BRT requires dedicated lanes on roadways to enable speedy and uninterrupted travels for passengers using the system’s buses.

“Transit notes that the consultant (in the EIA) has very selectively interpreted our suggestion for the BRT by comparing it against the MRT corridor for corridor.

“There is no way that a BRT in Malaysia would have the capacity to move 30,000 PPHPD on a single corridor.

“However, the BRT, costing much less than the MRT, allows more corridors of BRT to be built — meaning that more people get access to reliable and fast public transport where there is (currently) none,” the group said in its statement.

Zulkarnain had earlier pointed out the cost to construct 1km of an underground MRT rail could amount to RM1 billion while 1km of a BRT line would only cost up to RM20 million.

“The EIA consultants argue that the BRT is an intermediate solution to be built where there is low public transport modal share.

“We argue that low public transport share can apply to every transport corridor in Klang Valley, with the exception of the LRT corridors.

“By that reasoning, the BRT is an acceptable public transport solution because we do not have stable, reliable and frequent public transport on most of our roadways and highways,” said Transit.

It continued to recommend the introduction of the BRT as the first solution to make public transport more reliable and frequent and to encourage greater demand.

“Once this is in place, we can look at introducing MRT on corridors which have the greatest demand and potential for growth,” the group said.

The MRT system entry point project identified for the Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley National Key Economic Area (NKEA) and aims to increase public transport modal share from 18 per cent to 40 per cent by 2020.

Initial estimates have put the MRT’s cost at a whopping RM36.6 billion, making it one of the most expensive construction projects every undertaken by the Malaysian government.

With the 40 per cent public transport modal share, the government hopes that at least four million trips of the estimated total of 10 million are made via public transport.

The remaining six million trips will continue to be made via private vehicles.

In the EIA, it was also explained that the modal share for rail use in the Klang Valley was expected to increase five-fold by 2020 from 400,000 trips per day in 2009 to 2 million trips in 2020.

The SBK line is estimated to have a daily ridership of 442,000 passengers in its opening year, expected to be in 2016.

The EIA is up for public viewing until March 15 at all Department of Environment (DOE) offices nationwide and several public libraries.

The SBK alignment map is also up for public viewing until May 14 at seven locations across the city.

They are Kuala Lumpur City Hall, Petaling Jaya City Council, Shah Alam City Council, Selayang Municipal Council, Kajang Municipal Council as well as the Bangsar LRT station and the SPAD office in Menara Dayabumi.

The public can provide their feedback on the project via email to feedback@kvmrt.com.my or through the SPAD toll-free line at 1-800-82-6868.

daeng_jal

February 23rd, 2011, 04:40 PM

^^ thats why
singapore utilized a stick and carrot method

u can't espect people to change

but u can always TEACH people to change:lol:

hazlan

February 23rd, 2011, 05:23 PM

i suggest use a few billion to upgrade the existing and extension of KJ Line into MRT first...

today TRANSITMY blasted the SPAD for its short sighted statistics on MRT.... and fyi ppl from Damansara do not take Bus, BRT or watever not, but is ppl from elsewhere taking Bus to Damansara and goin back.

Also fyi, it seems the MRT thingy has got lotsa consultants confused on wat to do next. I think not enough study is being done, even so it seems the study give a CONFUSING results, for example: Malaysians hate Jams, but Malaysians Love to Drive on Jam Roads. Malaysians Love MRT but Hate to Drive to MRT station.

Omg, it's just the beginning and I've seen SOOOOOO many problems......

Sounds scary to implement MRT on June 16 huhh?

dont be too paranoid and too "sistematic"...
just built, the rest leave to God...
otherwise we go no where...

malaysians love to drive becos the current public transport doesnt have integrity..not just yet...and the fuel is affordable to most poeples....

i believe in 10 years time, when the metropolis area become soooo huge, as huge as tokyo perhaps...KL is just so connected with rail network with efficient bus services, then, we gonna love public transport... i bet

hazlan

February 23rd, 2011, 05:23 PM

^^ thats why
singapore utilized a stick and carrot method

u can't espect people to change

but u can always TEACH people to change:lol:

yeah,....it just the matter of time

a7x

February 23rd, 2011, 06:21 PM

malaysia is plagued with crime activities.you wouldn't want your kid roaming in the city all alone plus the connectivity and intergration is lousy.singapore is near perfect.see the difference?

a7x

February 23rd, 2011, 06:23 PM

just build?haha your funny.people who planned the current lines were on the same wavelength as you.build only.rest we leave to god rite?

szehoong

February 23rd, 2011, 06:42 PM

I miss the pink mini buses. So good the connectivity and so fast. I only hate it when it rains cause everyone would be closing the windows and everything would fog up :D

Actually the prob lies with TTDI folks only. Generally Cheras folks have no issues hehe :D

eveonline

February 24th, 2011, 07:58 AM

dont be too paranoid and too "sistematic"...
just built, the rest leave to God...
otherwise we go no where...

malaysians love to drive becos the current public transport doesnt have integrity..not just yet...and the fuel is affordable to most poeples....

i believe in 10 years time, when the metropolis area become soooo huge, as huge as tokyo perhaps...KL is just so connected with rail network with efficient bus services, then, we gonna love public transport... i bet

Just build and leave the rest to God? Come on ya? We are smart people. MRT project is not easy but we have to plan it right as much as we can and implement even better!

Any mistakes will affect future generations. We need to have more responsibility.

eveonline

February 24th, 2011, 08:07 AM

i suggest use a few billion to upgrade the existing and extension of KJ Line into MRT first...

today TRANSITMY blasted the SPAD for its short sighted statistics on MRT.... and fyi ppl from Damansara do not take Bus, BRT or watever not, but is ppl from elsewhere taking Bus to Damansara and goin back.

Also fyi, it seems the MRT thingy has got lotsa consultants confused on wat to do next. I think not enough study is being done, even so it seems the study give a CONFUSING results, for example: Malaysians hate Jams, but Malaysians Love to Drive on Jam Roads. Malaysians Love MRT but Hate to Drive to MRT station.

Omg, it's just the beginning and I've seen SOOOOOO many problems......

Sounds scary to implement MRT on June 16 huhh?

I looked very hard to see if it was possible to have more interchanges in the Sg Buloh - Kajang MRT to the existing Putra or Star LRT lines. I thought it was quite a waste in some locations like Kelana Jaya (LRT) which is effectively not that far from One Utama (MRT) or Section 17 not far from Universiti/ Asia Jaya (LRT). The only way you can move to the LRT from the MRT or vice versa is at Pasar Seni, then imagine you are at Kelana Jaya, it sounds abit strange to go all the way to Pasar Seni just to go to One Utama/ Curve.

But I guess that would be difficult for the MRT planners to do. The MRT line will end up zig-zagging across PJ. So can't be helped. Maybe the Circle line or the 3rd MRT line will be able to solve this issue.

eveonline

February 24th, 2011, 08:15 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble. We DO have park & ride in Singapore. :) The station nearest to me has a park & ride designated car park. We don't have specially allocated parking spaces, but rather, existing car parks are converted to sustain park & ride systems. Here, commuters pick a from a list of park & ride lots throughout the island and purchase a ticket for a period of time. For example, I purchase a park & ride nearest to Marymount station and I have season access during P&R hours to park there for the duration of the pass. But I can only park at that specific station's designated lots which are an existing car park belonging to the public housing board.

Its pretty hard to please everyone. If you build it underground, places like Kajang might not get their side of the line done up. Overall though, it seems quite hasty this attempt to get an MRT going. More transparency was needed and the TTDI residents should accept partial blame as well. If they knew, or at least had heard of rumours, of the line passing through since 2006 but not said anything till a semi-finalised routing was released, then it is of their own doing.

Even so though, I find it quite difficult to route the line otherwise without maintaining costs as they are. There are other routes, but the costs would escalate for sure. As with every project - elevated or underground - there is always give and take. During Singapore's MRT construction, some homes were even demolished.

It would be good to see the budgeted numbers for each station or area. At least we can try and understand SPAD's side of the story.

No offense to Cheras/ Kajang folk, but the stretch of MRT going into your area has less impact to homes and property values there as land is still plentiful and any land acquisition would be for lower value comparitively to TTDI/ BU/ Mutiara Dsara. So it still makes sense to have MRT tracks above ground going into Cheras onwards. Notice that Cheras/ Kajang people are not protesting? Because they are less affected comparatively.

But TTDI/ BU/ Mutiara Dsara stretch should be underground. Boustead and See Hoy Chan will bear some costs because they will be building undergound malls to link Curve and One Utama together.

eveonline

February 24th, 2011, 08:22 AM

Underground malls and stuffs?

Have you all forgotten whatever happened to Putra Mall? And if a mall isn't successfully run, it would be much harder to break even.......after 10 years pun susah. Some above-the-ground malls pun tak laku what's more underground ones.

We need pros to run. This is not play2 or masak2.

Looking at Curve and One Utama, I think any underground mall linking the 2 locations plus an MRT will be a 100% success. SHC and Boustead have done a very good job with both malls, and having a walkway access underground plus MRT is a sure win and the next growth catalyst for both malls.

kl 2020 ideas

February 24th, 2011, 09:14 AM

But TTDI/ BU/ Mutiara Dsara stretch should be underground. Boustead and See Hoy Chan will bear some costs because they will be building undergound malls to link Curve and One Utama together.

That's the thing, it should be underground for that particular section. Some people think whole line underground, not necessary as Cheras and Sungai Buloh onwards as vast land so elevated there. RRIM can still be elevated because they have yet to start the project. Say it, from The Curve to Cochrane is underground. There, satisfies everyone and including myself.

marc_us82

February 24th, 2011, 12:08 PM

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mrt-risks-repeating-lrt-integration-screw-ups-say-residents/

From Malaysian Insider

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 24 — Residents in the capital have expressed dismay that the city’s already fragmented rail transit system could be exacerbated by a lack of integration and interchanges in the multi-billion ringgit MRT system.
The proposed MRT alignment does not include an interchange with the city’s main rail hub despite running alongside it, stops short of the Damansara town centre, and has planned a station located away from the 1Utama mall, bus hub and major car park area.

Lack of seamless integration has been by far the biggest criticism of the city’s existing transit system, prompting some to describe it as an embarrassment to KL which has aspirations to become one of the top 20 most liveable and economically vibrant cities in the world.

Examples of integration failures include the Masjid Jamek interchange where commuters once had to exit the station and cross a busy road to change to another train line, and the Dang Wangi-Bukit Nenas “interchange” where commuters must exit the LRT station and walk about five minutes in order to change to the monorail line.

The system has also been widely panned for the lack of integration of train lines with malls, office buildings, bus hubs and other key destinations.

One example is lack of accessibility of the highly-popular MidValley City commercial complex from the LRT, despite the two being located only a short distance away from one another and built at about the same time.

The city’s monorail line has also been strongly criticised for stopping short of the KL Sentral rail hub, forcing commuters to make a 5-10 minute trek in order to change to the LRT, ERL or KTM Komuter trains.

Residents who spoke to The Malaysian Insider said that it is common sense to have seamless integration, and expressed fears that the MRT will repeat the same mistakes as the LRT system.

A resident of Kota Damansara who wanted to be known only as Goh, said the MRT planners should learn from the LRT’s mistakes and make the system as seamless as possible.

“Look at the Masjid Jamek station,” he sniffed. “You call that an interchange?”

Dhiva, 25, a help desk co-ordinator with a local mobile network operator and daily LRT user, said it made better sense to have a seamless interchange between the MRT and the LRT in KL Sentral rather than the planned MRT station located outside the hub which would force commuters to walk perhaps as much as 5-10 minutes just to change to the LRT.

“It’s a bit silly and a waste of public money to have the MRT station so far away,” he said. “It defeats the purpose of having a hub.”

The proposed MRT station (in blue) shares the KL Sentral (marked in yellow) name but not its location.
A Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) source said the MRT’s KL Sentral station will be linked to KL Sentral by a 200m walkway, adding the MRT and LRT system interchange is at the Pasar Seni station, one stop away.
Tengku Nazira, who owns the La Cucur cafe in KL Sentral, said that while the MRT is a good initiative, it would be more convenient for commuters to have a well-connected interchange with the LRT.

“Is this the best that they could do?” she questioned.

Commuters with disabilities could also face challenges from a lack of integration.

A 1Utama outlet proprietor who lived in Hong Kong for years expressed frustration over the proposed location of the 1Utama station, saying that it is missing out on a great opportunity to create a smoothly-linked transport hub like those she once used in Hong Kong.

The current alignment places the station on a narrow strip of land between the TV3 office and the busy LDP highway, with limited space for future expansion.

The developer of 1Utama, See Hoy Chan Holdings, had previously suggested for the MRT station to be built underground as part of a transport hub and underground retail mall on the Western end of 1Utama, where there is ample space for building car parks and a growing bus hub serviced by Rapid KL buses as well as buses to the KLIA LCCT, Genting Highlands and Singapore.

The proprietor, who wanted to be known only as Tan, said it could be similar in concept to that in Hong Kong where the train stations are integrated with bus hubs.

She also said that it would be better to have the station integrated with the mall itself instead of its proposed location about a three-minute walk away.

“In Hong Kong, you exit the station and you’re in an office or a mall,” she said. “In Malaysia’s hot weather, who wants to walk outside if you can avoid it?”

Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) residents’ association president Mohd Hatim Abdullah had even more ambitious suggestions and said that a mega MRT station could be built underground at the western end of 1Utama, which could seamlessly link all the shopping malls in the vicinity.

“It can serve all the shopping complexes, (like) Ikano, The Curve, 1 Utama and Cineleisure,” he said.

The MRT station serving the Damansara town centre is also in a location that area resident Ben Loh described as “sub-optimal” as it is located amidst a tangle of highways and not in the town centre itself but about a three-minute walk away across what is now an open air car park.

The planned MRT station will also not be integrated into The Damansara City complex — one of the Economic Transformation Programme projects and which has been described as an integrated development — which is currently being built in the Damansara town centre.

Any lack of integration could have an economic dimension and affect the viability of the MRT if it results in lower ridership.

And if the government is planning to issue bonds to finance the MRT, low ridership might impact the ability to repay bond investors.

RAM Holdings chief economist Dr Yeah Kim Leng said the government has to ensure that the MRT meets ridership projections.

“The main thing is to have an integrated system,” he said. “There must be maximum ridership which is a factor in the system’s viability.”

In response to questions on the MRT’s integration sent via e-mail, SPAD said that public feedback gathered during the three-month-long public display of the MRT alignment would be considered.

“We encourage and welcome constructive feedback from the rakyat during this period,” said a SPAD spokesperson.

“All feedback will be thoroughly evaluated and presented to the government before the final decision on the proposed alignment and locations of the stations are adopted to make travelling on the Klang Valley rail network (including KTM KOMUTER and LRT) seamless and convenient for the rakyat.”

The public can provide their feedback on the project via email to feedback@kvmrt.com.my or through the SPAD toll-free line at 1-800-82-6868.

tunomura

February 24th, 2011, 02:03 PM

^^Agree, The Curve to Cochrane must be underground, but need to add up few more $$$$$...

Someone can tell me why building underground line is far more expensive than elevated line?? It is due to expensive boring machine? or due to it is too complicated and high technology?? Just asking....:)

mrtfreak

February 24th, 2011, 04:52 PM

Its both. Underground construction eats more time away as well, and you know the saying - time is money. Its a lot more tricky to execute as well as temporary structures made from concrete need to be put into place. And after that, monitoring equipment. Underground work sites can cave in too, without proper monitoring (Singapore has experienced this before too, yes). Underground sections are more likely to cause jams during the construction period as well as roads will need to be diverted or even closed.

Monitoring also doesn't just take place at the station or excavation sites, but at nearby buildings too. If they're in danger, they may need to be demolished as well. Foundations built over undetected groundwater can cause buildings to sink if the water body is larger than predicted (as did one of our underground MRT stations by 1cm). Tunnel boring machines need trained workers to operate it - no different than the beam launchers used. However, maintenance in tight and confined areas pose higher risks so you have to pay those workers more as well. So in all, many factors come in to play in underground construction. And we haven't even gotten into ground conditions/soil type yet.

Winehouse

February 25th, 2011, 08:35 AM

it's about common sense , to build elevated track in front klcc would look ridiculous so it has to be underground,you have to build this one properly from the start because if you don't by 2017 when all said and done you wanna tweak or adjust it would be absolutely expensive who's gonna pay it by then, yes you taxpayer . For me it's not just about mentality of malaysian about public transport it's also about market force,when you give subsidy there's no true market in play thus you create bad mentality of things that it's actually true market price ,malaysia will become oil importer by 2015 the era of cheap petrol it's over that's why you need to build this properly and stop all those subsidy .

tbc

February 26th, 2011, 01:12 AM

..... when you give subsidy there's no true market in play thus you create bad mentality of things that it's actually true market price ,malaysia will become oil importer by 2015 the era of cheap petrol it's over that's why you need to build this properly and stop all those subsidy .
The scary part is that such a huge sum is being spent to build all these things in Klang Valley, how much is left for the rest of the nation ? And if/when fuel subsidies has to come to an end, Klang Valley residents will have all these fancy MRT, LRT, Monorail, KTM, etc public transport modes to fall back on. The rest of the nation will have what ? Huge fuel bills I imagine !

AFL

February 26th, 2011, 03:07 AM

The scary part is that such a huge sum is being spent to build all these things in Klang Valley, how much is left for the rest of the nation ? And if/when fuel subsidies has to come to an end, Klang Valley residents will have all these fancy MRT, LRT, Monorail, KTM, etc public transport modes to fall back on. The rest of the nation will have what ? Huge fuel bills I imagine !

Spot on! KV taxpayers should just foot the bill for all these projects instead, not other states.

idiamindada

February 26th, 2011, 03:37 AM

allurban

February 26th, 2011, 06:22 AM

I looked very hard to see if it was possible to have more interchanges in the Sg Buloh - Kajang MRT to the existing Putra or Star LRT lines. I thought it was quite a waste in some locations like Kelana Jaya (LRT) which is effectively not that far from One Utama (MRT) or Section 17 not far from Universiti/ Asia Jaya (LRT). The only way you can move to the LRT from the MRT or vice versa is at Pasar Seni, then imagine you are at Kelana Jaya, it sounds abit strange to go all the way to Pasar Seni just to go to One Utama/ Curve.

But I guess that would be difficult for the MRT planners to do. The MRT line will end up zig-zagging across PJ. So can't be helped. Maybe the Circle line or the 3rd MRT line will be able to solve this issue.at the very least, they should have pointed out the proposed interchanges with the other MRT lines.

Unfortunately, this is another failing of our laws, which only require the "Railway scheme" (the specific line or route) to be made public - network thinking is clearly not a priority under our Railways Act.

Cheers, m

dengilo

February 26th, 2011, 09:37 AM

The transit system should come under a different act altogether.

daeng_jal

February 26th, 2011, 10:01 AM

like the mass transit railway act kah?

allurban

February 26th, 2011, 06:03 PM

like the mass transit railway act kah?full agreement there.

Hmm...there is another session of Parliament coming in April...maybe there is enough time to draft a new bill :banana:

Cheers, m

patchay

February 27th, 2011, 09:01 AM

XNeo

February 27th, 2011, 09:57 AM

^^ LRT already packed.tak penah naik LRT ke time waktu kerja. what to improve?. make it double decker?.:nuts:
unless LRT coach are empty..then something wrong with the bus feeder services.

tomkat

February 27th, 2011, 10:17 AM

Don't think your neighbours have taken an lrt ride lately mate.

There is Now Widespread Condemnation of the MRT Project??
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mrt-risks-repeating-lrt-integration-screw-ups-say-residents/

My neighbours say MRT is unnecessary at this point of time, but instead please improve the current LRT, Monorail, Komuter, RapidKL busses and TAXIS first. Once they have done that and gained the confidence, then only OK this project.

From what the rakyat knows, LRT Extension is supposed to be completed 2011/2012 ?? But now......

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nideru_90

February 27th, 2011, 11:40 AM

asyik takot sejarah lrt berulang kembali jek mcm mane?
kalau mcm tue x payah la buat ape2,
hurm..upgrade mcm mane ag yg lrt tue dri 2 gerabak dah jdi 4 gerabak,ape lagi?
rase sy x payah la sume line nk masuk kl sentral tue
kl sentral tue pon dah penuh dah ngan line yg ade skrng nih nmpak mcm dah x de space dah
kan ade interchange kat pasar seni,just tukar kpd kelana jaya line and pergi ke kl sentral kalau x nk jln kaki..
sy pasti kerajaan dah belajar dri kesilapan nyer
kalau tak tidak ade la projek intergration kat masjid jamek,hang tuah ngan titiwangsa tue
kite bgi la peluang kpd kerajaan tuk perbaiki kesilapan lalu....
as long it will benefit us...
and jgn lupe bgi feedback kat projek mrt tue... :D

XNeo

February 27th, 2011, 04:45 PM

^^will those ppl use MRT when it is completed ?.(even they said it is such a waste and unneeded)
the answer is - YES.

nuts :nuts:. jungle ppl.

D_Y2k.2^

February 27th, 2011, 06:40 PM

Yeah. THe MRT wold definitely be viable. Personally would definitely take the MRT if there's a station nearby

allurban

February 27th, 2011, 09:09 PM

Group tells DoE to reject EIA Report for SBK line & MRT. (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/group-tells-doe-to-reject-mrt-key-report/)

Cheers, m

XNeo

February 28th, 2011, 01:38 AM

tbc

February 28th, 2011, 02:01 AM

if many ppl against the MRT project bcause of bla2 and project get terminated,
then ppl who lives near the inter city hgway should ask to shut down the hghway. you never experienced how bad it is the noise pollution, blocking view, etc.
everyone can be selfish.

Not viable to build inter city highways underground, but underground railways are quite common :)
Btw, sense of selfishness can be a two edged sword :)

nideru_90

February 28th, 2011, 09:21 AM

please dont cancel this mrt project...
people and car are rising everyday..
the fuel price also rising...
i think this is the most effective solution

daeng_jal

February 28th, 2011, 12:02 PM

Not viable to build inter city highways underground, but underground railways are quite common :)
Btw, sense of selfishness can be a two edged sword :)

mostly, its due to people perception only,

u can build an underground highway as easy as building underground railway
just be ready to pay 5-6time the normal price of an elevated one

i think it more because monkey see monkey do:lol:
they sea other people have underground railway(for valid reason)
then we also want underground(without any valid reason)

tbc

February 28th, 2011, 01:29 PM

i think it more because monkey see monkey do:lol:
they sea other people have underground railway(for valid reason)
then we also want underground(without any valid reason)
"without any valid reason" is highly subjective and more than likely than not to change with circumstances and time - would you not agree ? :)
Bet you there are many city planners nowadays lamenting their predecessors' decision not to go underground
However, I have to concede there will always be a need to balance between what we can afford now and how much we can afford to accomodate for the future :)

daeng_jal

February 28th, 2011, 01:46 PM

unfortunately,
due to our situation
we need to role out as much line and as fast as we can,

and tunnel doesn't fit the bill,its expensive,difficult n slow in normal condition,but under our law n geologies,will make it even more slow n expensive,maintenance also gonna be a bomb

and should those money be use for ktm,lrt upgrade,new lines in KV as well as transit system outside the KV?

furthermore we already have lots of elevated highway already,so why not push for it U/G?, why only MRT are targeted to be buried?

tbc

February 28th, 2011, 03:07 PM

unfortunately,
due to our situation
we need to role out as much line and as fast as we can,

Well yes, if that is the way we want things done in this country
I would not be the least surprised if the same sentiments were expressed during the 'justification' stage for the LRT and monorail
And now we see how 'pleasant' those systems have evolved into :)

and should those money be use for ktm,lrt upgrade,new lines in KV as well as transit system outside the KV?
It can be argued why not spend the MRT budget on those quoted options instead ?
Particularly the bit about "outside the KV" ? :)

furthermore we already have lots of elevated highway already,so why not push for it U/G?, why only MRT are targeted to be buried?
Because you really don't want to make matters worse than they already are :lol:

Jambol

February 28th, 2011, 05:15 PM

Group tells DoE to reject EIA Report for SBK line & MRT. (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/group-tells-doe-to-reject-mrt-key-report/)

Cheers, m

Care to elaborate what will happen to the MRT project without the EIA being approved?

If EIA needs to be approved before the MRT gets the greenlight, how much time would that need?

patchay

February 28th, 2011, 06:53 PM

Some ppl are worried that MRT could be like PKFZ project?

allurban

March 1st, 2011, 07:25 AM

Care to elaborate what will happen to the MRT project without the EIA being approved?

If EIA needs to be approved before the MRT gets the greenlight, how much time would that need?according to the Railways Act, the Minister of Transport gives final approval for a Railways Scheme provided that he is satisfied with all the information presented - public display, feedback forms, EIA approval etc.

If the Director General of the Department of the Environment does not approve the EIA report, then the project can be denied approval from the Minister of Transport, or he can give a 'conditional' approval.

Since the cabinet has already given 'approval' to the project (without worrying about the necessary details) the question is, how will they approve the project over public objections?

My guess is that they will go for a conditional approval to allow them to start digging on July 16, then the project will go into limbo for a while (got election mah!)

After the election, who knows. If no election, who knows.

Cheers, m

rizalhakim

March 1st, 2011, 08:29 AM

actually yg komplen2 ni xpenah naik public transport kot hehe...

tbc

March 1st, 2011, 09:25 AM

Since the cabinet has already given 'approval' to the project (without worrying about the necessary details) the question is, how will they approve the project over public objections?

Recent events have shown that 'cabinet approvals' can be quite dicey for (Malaysian) ministers of transport :lol:

eveonline

March 1st, 2011, 11:46 AM

There is Now Widespread Condemnation of the MRT Project??
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mrt-risks-repeating-lrt-integration-screw-ups-say-residents/

My neighbours say MRT is unnecessary at this point of time, but instead please improve the current LRT, Monorail, Komuter, RapidKL busses and TAXIS first. Once they have done that and gained the confidence, then only OK this project.

From what the rakyat knows, LRT Extension is supposed to be completed 2011/2012 ?? But now......

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The MRT is necessary. Putra line LRT is famous for being packed during office rush hours. If you're a normal office worker in KL city center, having a MRT line is a great way to save time and money (car, fuel, parking, toll), not to imagine productivity improvements that we will gain.

I think the general Klang Valley populace agrees with having the MRT. Its just that we want the implementation to be done right considering the mistakes we had in the past with Monorail and LRT lines. Complaints so far are more on where the tracks and stations will run.

Spending this kind of money, we better get it right as much as we can.

TWK90

March 1st, 2011, 12:26 PM

Most people agree that MRT is needed in Klang Valley, even those who you think seem "protesting it".

For most part, they disagree with the station placement and alignment. Otherwise, they say that MRT should have been built earlier.

What they ask is for due consideration on how it is built and planned.

allurban

March 1st, 2011, 10:40 PM

Recent events have shown that 'cabinet approvals' can be quite dicey for (Malaysian) ministers of transport :lol:hahaha yes, and asking too many questions or saying too much about things can be dicey for other (Malaysian) Ministers of Transport.

I'd love to see some intrepid reporter stick a microphone in OTK's face and ask him point blank, "based on what you have seen so far, would you approve the MRT project if you were still Minister of Transport?

Cheers, m

aim11086

March 2nd, 2011, 03:04 PM

come on. juz build it and bother all nonsence..
KV reli2 need tis...

hazlan

March 2nd, 2011, 04:29 PM

some malaysian even chase away the census officer, close their door, not giving any cooperation, during the last census 2010.... and now, this "some malaysian" attititude of selfishness and cerewetness on our current MRT project.....

szehoong

March 2nd, 2011, 09:14 PM

It would be good to see the budgeted numbers for each station or area. At least we can try and understand SPAD's side of the story.

No offense to Cheras/ Kajang folk, but the stretch of MRT going into your area has less impact to homes and property values there as land is still plentiful and any land acquisition would be for lower value comparitively to TTDI/ BU/ Mutiara Dsara. So it still makes sense to have MRT tracks above ground going into Cheras onwards. Notice that Cheras/ Kajang people are not protesting? Because they are less affected comparatively.

But TTDI/ BU/ Mutiara Dsara stretch should be underground. Boustead and See Hoy Chan will bear some costs because they will be building undergound malls to link Curve and One Utama together.

Have you checked on Cheras house prices lately? Kajang folks have now protested as we speak.

TTDI/BU/and-whatever-D'sara are all overated. The only part of Cheras where land is 'plentiful' is beyond Taman Cuepacs.

So I still stick to the mantra that elevated=suburbs and underground=city centre. Period. Too many NIMBYs to pleased here.........

tunomura

March 2nd, 2011, 10:41 PM

^^Agree...maybe TTDI define themselves as city center..:bash:

They are updating the project website here (http://kvmrt.com.my/w/?page_id=543)

The problem is they should design the station up to 8-car set or 6-car set length for future expansion :ohno:

mrtfreak

March 3rd, 2011, 04:00 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Shall get the station location maps provided hosted on my photobucket soon. :) RRI station looks to be impressive with 4 tracks. Wow.

sam79

March 3rd, 2011, 10:12 AM

kl 2020 ideas

March 3rd, 2011, 01:17 PM

constipation

March 3rd, 2011, 03:07 PM

^^ sate kajang samuri is quite synonym with bandar Kajang, so its fine to have direct access from mrt to the sate kajang, its like a privileges to the owner, but still it wont promised of huge profit seems at my place also hv sate kajang samuri branch:lol:

well, now we r all waiting for circle line mrt which will be announced soon by this month. I just cant wait for all this , worried too:ohno: since world economy not really fully recovered n middle east crisis, may hurt our economy n government budget for mrt development.

Jambol

March 3rd, 2011, 03:26 PM

well, now we r all waiting for circle line mrt which will be announced soon by this month. I just cant wait for all this , worried too:ohno: since world economy not really fully recovered n middle east crisis, may hurt our economy n government budget for mrt development.
Seriously, as much as I wish for a superb network of rail network for KV, i rasa SBK line will be a rush job and unlikely to be completed on-time and within budget. If ever completed, it will not be used by as many commuters as initially 'projected' so, due to the hastily placed locations.

I lagi susah nak percaya for the commencement of another line coming up. :ohno:

bukhrin

March 3rd, 2011, 03:41 PM

If you look at the Maluri Underground station plan, you can see that the legend for the existing Ampang Line Maluri station is Star/Circle Line. Might be some hint there on how they might align the circle line.

tomkat

March 3rd, 2011, 04:16 PM

Why rush job? I thought the authority has been talking about this for ages.
And the alignment is not that far off from what has been predicted.
So, I would say that it is a well taught study.

Seriously, as much as I wish for a superb network of rail network for KV, i rasa SBK line will be a rush job and unlikely to be completed on-time and within budget. If ever completed, it will not be used by as many commuters as initially 'projected' so, due to the hastily placed locations.

I lagi susah nak percaya for the commencement of another line coming up. :ohno:

a7x

March 3rd, 2011, 04:19 PM

Is there two stations at sekysen 16 and 17 respectively between ttdi station and pbd?

mrtfreak

March 3rd, 2011, 04:24 PM

Yes, that's right. One near the hotel development for section 16, another a bit further down from the Sprint expressway junction for section 17.

a7x

March 3rd, 2011, 05:51 PM

thanks! the station allignment for 1utama,kl sentral and pbd is so dissapointing.sucks that they also build the stations for a max of 4 cars.

allurban

March 3rd, 2011, 09:39 PM

Fuhh! Bandar Kajang Station will be above the main road junction..the old shop lots will be demolished for the new multi storey car parks..there will b direct entrance near the satay kajang samuri..(bertambah laku la sate lpas nih) :banana:
-maps from KVMRT website-

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5259/5494070616_30fb7f9b76_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5494070616/)
MRT Bandar Kajang station.ai (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5494070616/) by suff79 (http://www.flickr.com/people/58408674@N07/), on FlickrThat's pretty disappointing - this is what results from the "need" for parking space - even in a station in town.

But all is not lost - just build a multi-storey parking garage that looks like a 4-storey shoplot from the outside, with retail shops at street level. Parking entrance can be to one side (or in between the "shoplots" and the shops also get parking (at ground level).

It's not as if we cannot recreate the look of shoplots - we do it indoors in shopping malls (Jusco Bandar Melaka) and can do it outdoors too.

Cheers, m

tomkat

March 4th, 2011, 03:18 AM

Yes this is rather disappointing. That is all pre-ware shophouses. That rows of shoplots would look amazing with a little bit of touch up here and there.

If it is absolutely necessary to have parking space for this station, I would rather Prasarana acquired shop on the other side of the road, i.e. Billion, etc. Prasarana can build a proper small scale commercial unit at the ground floor inline with their intention to adopt HK's rail and property strategy.

That's pretty disappointing - this is what results from the "need" for parking space - even in a station in town.

But all is not lost - just build a multi-storey parking garage that looks like a 4-storey shoplot from the outside, with retail shops at street level. Parking entrance can be to one side (or in between the "shoplots" and the shops also get parking (at ground level).

It's not as if we cannot recreate the look of shoplots - we do it indoors in shopping malls (Jusco Bandar Melaka) and can do it outdoors too.

Cheers, m

nazrey

March 4th, 2011, 04:01 AM

Prasarana to get part of RRIM land for development
By RISEN JAYASEELAN Friday March 4, 2011
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/3/4/business/8185971&sec=business#12992059592971&if_height=484

PETALING JAYA: Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd will be allocated a parcel of land in the proposed Sungai Buloh Rubber Research Institute Malaysia (RRIM) development project for commercial development as part of the “rail plus property” model being used to offset the cost of building the mass rapid transit (MRT), sources said.

“Negotiations are ongoing between Prasarana and the Employees Provident Fund (EPF),” said one source.

“The parcel of land (to be allocated) will be used to build the MRT's main depot but it will also include commercial development above and possibly around the depot, in the form of retail and office space,” another source explained.

Prasarana has been appointed the MRT project and asset owner.

It has been reported that the Government will fund the MRT, possibly through the raising of bonds, and that Prasarana will adopt Hong Kong's “rail plus property” approach in its urban public transportation system, whereby parcels of land are developed to offset the cost of construction of public transport systems.

Prasarana will be given land to develop in joint ventures with developers and the proceeds from that will be repaid to the Government.

It has also been reported that Prasarana is finalising prospective land parcels that the company would develop.

Last March, the Government announced that EPF would form a joint venture to develop 3,000 acres of land in Sungai Buloh owned by RRIM into a new hub for the Klang Valley. The new hub in Sungai Buloh will lead to over RM5bil of new investments, it was then said.

The RRIM land is also among the sites identified for re-development under Budget 2010.

The location and size of RRIM's land near the fast developing Kota Damansara area holds significant attraction for developers and is expected to command a price premium, analysts have said.

The redevelopment of the RRIM land is also part of the Greater Kuala Lumpur Strategic Development Project initiative under the 10th Malaysia Plan.

In July last year, the EPF said it had engaged several consultants to advise on the development of the land.

Subsequently, Kwasa Land Sdn Bhd was set up by the Federal Government and will act as a development manager on behalf of the EPF and the Government. Kwasa Land will be involved in conducting open tenders or negotiations with developers relating to the land parcels in the RRIM development.

It is left to be seen if Prasarana would have to pay for the parcel of land in RRIM or whether it will be given to it free. “This is something being worked out now but it is important to note that Prasarana is wholly-owned by the Government and the MRT project is also Government led,” a source said.

neux

March 4th, 2011, 05:19 AM

Seriously, as much as I wish for a superb network of rail network for KV, i rasa SBK line will be a rush job and unlikely to be completed on-time and within budget. If ever completed, it will not be used by as many commuters as initially 'projected' so, due to the hastily placed locations.

I lagi susah nak percaya for the commencement of another line coming up. :ohno:

“Pessimism never won any battle.”
Dwight David Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States.

nazrey

March 4th, 2011, 03:34 PM

http://beta.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2011/february/18/mrt-station-sentral-map.jpg

The proposed MRT station shares the KL Sentral

sam79

March 4th, 2011, 03:58 PM

http://beta.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2011/february/18/mrt-station-sentral-map.jpg

The proposed MRT station shares the KL Sentral

from KVMRT website
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5140/5496562229_d754db5deb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5496562229/)
stn15_kl_sentral_2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5496562229/) by suff79 (http://www.flickr.com/people/58408674@N07/), on Flickr
-close up-http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5059/5496562769_afa368f28c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5496562769/)
stn15_kl_sentral_2_closeup (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58408674@N07/5496562769/) by suff79 (http://www.flickr.com/people/58408674@N07/), on Flickr

dengilo

March 4th, 2011, 04:08 PM

I especially hate that location!No matter what kl sentral should be the upmost priority!The station should be on jalan tun sambathan.

mrtfreak

March 4th, 2011, 04:14 PM

That or call the station Muzium Negara. The placement isn't really conducive for transfers to KL Sentral. And I don't think KL Sentral was planned for any further lines to connect there unfortunately.

tomkat

March 4th, 2011, 04:26 PM

The same manner how Monorail KL Sentral station should be renamed to something else. To avoid confusion.

That or call the station Muzium Negara. The placement isn't really conducive for transfers to KL Sentral. And I don't think KL Sentral was planned for any further lines to connect there unfortunately.

tunomura

March 4th, 2011, 05:19 PM

The same manner how Monorail KL Sentral station should be renamed to something else. To avoid confusion.

^^not really i think, when nu sentral completed, u will have direct connection with kl sentral..it seems that, kl monorail will be part of kl sentral.

mrtfreak

March 4th, 2011, 05:22 PM

^^ Then the same should apply to Sentul stations on the KTM and Ampang lines. But anyway, I think that they should really reconsider the layout of KL Sentral to make it more user friendly, especially with the MRT coming in there now. The problem might be the integration of the station to the main station building though. A potential problem to learn from integrated hubs?

nazrey

March 4th, 2011, 07:20 PM

MRT briefing draws massive crowd
By Ooi Tee Ching Published: 2011/03/05
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/YAYmrt/Article/

IT WAS meant to be a closed-door session. But nearly three times more contractors came to a briefing on the Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project that the hotel's ballroom doors could not be closed.

Having advertised the briefing in mainstream newspapers for three days, Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd (SPNB) anticipated 250 contractors to turn up on Thursday night.

But much to their surprise, close to 700 came to the Petaling Jaya hotel, some from as far as Sarawak.

Snacks and coffee served by the hotelier finished in 20 minutes.

SPNB's brochure revealed that the planned construction period for MRT Sungai Buloh-Kajang line is from 2011 to 2016. When completed, it is expected to move 1.2 million people along the route.

The line will be integrated with existing KTM Komuter and LRT lines and feeder bus networks with a common ticketing system.

Reporters could not enter the hall but questions emanating from the ballroom touched on whether there would be opportunities for vending machine operators at MRT stations.

There were also offers for SPNB to buy the latest ticketing systems and bathroom facilities that can handle ultra-high traffic flow.

A government official, who declined to be named, attested that SPNB had in the past months received enquiries from custom-fitted furniture manufacturers and energy-efficient lighting suppliers.

Indeed, the construction sector is not just brick and cement.

Pemandu director of Greater Kuala Lumpur/Klang Valley NKEA Ahmad Suhaili Idrus told Business Times, "the MRT is the biggest infrastructure project the country is undertaking. Today's overwhelming crowd is reflective of the economic multiplier effects of the MRT project."

He estimates the MRT project to support more than 100 types of businesses, ranging from contractors, construction professionals, building material suppliers to logistics and even telecommunication services.

Malay Contractors Association president Datuk Mokhtar Samad commended SPNB for giving the opportunity for Bumiputera contractors to gain an insight into the intricacies of the project.

Yesterday, Zulkifli Mohd Yusoff, group director of the project management division at SPNB, in a statement, said: "The contractors briefing is to ensure all are given the correct information regarding the type of work involved in the project including underground tunneling, elevated structures, track, system and rolling stock works."

The pre-qualifying stage is to identify contractors who are financially strong, possess the technical expertise and track record to take on the relevant job packages. Only contractors who are pre-qualified will be allowed to bid for the job packages.

He then said tenders will be called once public feedback has been gathered and project details confirmed after the public display period ends on May 14 2011.

As SPNB wrapped up the briefing at 9.30pm, throngs of contractors lined up to pay their parking tickets.

After a while, the machine let out a groan and stopped working. A clearly exasperated contractor turned around to the bemused queue behind him and joked, "well, the supplier of this hotel's parking system definitely cannot pre-qualify for the MRT ticketing package!"

http://www.btimes.com.my/articles/YAYmrt/pix_bottom