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chiefayic2
February 6th, 2011, 07:47 AM
South Sudan to establish a new capital city and relocate from Juba after independence

February 5, 2011 (JUBA) – South Sudan will soon begin to implement a huge project of building a modern ne capital city for the newly independent state, saying the historical regional capital, Juba, does not meet what is required of a national capital in terms of infrastructure for public institutions, investment and the accommodation of diplomatic missions.

After a referendum in January where 99 percent of southern Sudanese voted to separate from the north, the southern region is expected to become independent in July.

Several groups of potential investors who have had interest to invest in the capital for the last six years failed to do so because of lack of land for investment the south says. The southern government also has not built permanent structures for its executive, legislative and judicial institutions as the status of the town had not been settled. In Juba, which hosts about a million people, thousands of citizens have failed to legally acquire plots of land to build on.

Dozens of countries are expected to recognize the new independent state and will need pieces of land in which to establish their respective embassies.

Juba, which was established almost a century ago, by British colonial administrators, as the headquarters of former Southern Sudan’s three regions of Greater Bahr el Ghazal, Upper Nile and Equatoria, is said to have been disorganized, particularly for the last six years during its fast growing expansion. Officials say this is because of endless wrangling over jurisdictions of its administration by different levels of government, coupled with lack of standardized housing and poor surveying.

The semi-autonomous Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) has used Juba as the seat of the government, in accordance with the region’s interim constitution of 2005. Juba is also state capital of Central Equatoria

The local Bari community of Juba has cautioned against expanding Juba to incorporate the surrounding villages without their permission, quoting the provision in the interim constitution which stipulates that land belongs to the people, making it difficult for both GoSS and state to expand.

The GoSS, which serves as the highest authority overseeing the ten states of the semi-autonomous region, has for the past five years requested Central Equatoria state government to relocate its capital to any of its other towns or locations, but the request was rejected.

Two years ago, the GoSS also came up with an alternative proposal to leave Juba for Central Equatoria state and establish a new capital at Gondokora Island, north of Juba, so that the two capitals could co-exist as twin cities. The proposal was also rejected by members of Bari community elders and intellectuals, according to officials.

In the resolution passed on Friday in the Council of Ministers meeting chaired by President Salva Kiir Mayardit, the government reached the decision to relocate the capital to a “befitting” new location elsewhere in the South.

The minister of information and official spokesman of the government, Barnaba Marial Benjamin, told the press that the “new capital would befit the new state of South Sudan.” He said the decision was not against any community or authority, but in the interest of the new nation.

He said two competing locations have been proposed for study before the government could choose one as a federal territory in which it will build the new capital. One of the proposed locations is an area which straddles four states; the north-eastern part of Central Equatoria, north-western part of Eastern Equatoria, south western part of Jonglei and south eastern part of Lakes state.

Another proposed location for the capital is Ramciel, which officials say is the geographic center of South Sudan has been the choice of SPLM – the former rebels who now govern South Sudan - since 2003. It is located in north-eastern part of Lakes state, near the border with Unity state to the North and Jonglei state to the East.

Marial added that a ministerial committee will be constituted by the president to visit the two proposed locations, study their respective topographies and seek consent of the communities inhabiting the areas and report back the findings within three weeks.

Citizens who spoke to Sudan Tribune in Juba on Saturday backed the idea of a new capital. A Juba University student who wanted to be identified only as Achol said: “I am very happy to hear that we will have a new modern capital city. Juba is so congested and disorganized. And besides, the state authority is not giving land to people who want to build houses. Juba is also nearer to Uganda and far from the rest of states and counties such as those of Tonj West in Warrap and Renk in Upper Nile. We want a capital in the center of South Sudan.”

“Yes let them relocate [the capital]. Juba of today is not the way it used to be, it has been spoiled by land grabbers. Legally acquired plots of people have been robbed by land grabbers who are new comers to this town. It will be a good chance to recover such lands once the capital is relocated,” said another, Michael Peter.

“The government is right to decide on best way of doing things. The capital city can be put anywhere in Southern Sudan. It doesn’t matter where it would be located as long as it is suitable and communities or authorities of such locations accept to give that land to the government to be the capital,” said a government official who did not want to be named.

While officials say it is important to consult host communities and seek their consent, they also explained that the provision of the CPA [Comprehensive Peace Agreement) and the interim constitution, which stipulates that land belongs to the people or community, has been misinterpreted or misunderstood by the communities. They further argued that the same provision further explained that the land will be managed by the government on behalf of the people, which they said acknowledges the government as the authority to decide and supervise on usage of land.

Marial said the ambitious project will not compromise other competing priorities in the service delivery and development of South Sudan in the coming period. If a new location is confirmed, the new independent country will contract companies or firms to do feasibility study as well as come up with the cost of building the new modern capital and attract investors who can finance the city project.

Officials say it can take at least five years to complete building the city.
(ST (http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-to-establish-a-new,37886))

Kenguy
February 6th, 2011, 08:30 AM
I thought it would be better if they improved Juba first before considering other options. Good news though. :cheers:

bh2010
February 6th, 2011, 01:16 PM
South Sudan to establish a new capital city and relocate from Juba after independence


(ST (http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-to-establish-a-new,37886))

:cheers::cheers:


Marial said the ambitious project will not compromise other competing priorities in the service delivery and development of South Sudan in the coming period. If a new location is confirmed, the new independent country will contract companies or firms to do feasibility study as well as come up with the cost of building the new modern capital and attract investors who can finance the city project.

Great news...I like the idea of building it at the junction of those four states.

Another proposed location for the capital is Ramciel, which officials say is the geographic center of South Sudan has been the choice of SPLM – the former rebels who now govern South Sudan - since 2003. It is located in north-eastern part of Lakes state, near the border with Unity state to the North and Jonglei state to the East.

BTW is Ramciel an already established town or just an open place where they plan to build the city. Also, I remember Rumbek and New Cush were at some point (during the war) considered for potential capital cities...I personally think Rumbek is, geographically, at the right place for a capital City.

u.g boy
February 6th, 2011, 01:18 PM
nice to see but who is paying fr it

chiefayic2
February 9th, 2011, 07:56 AM
I thought it would be better if they improved Juba first before considering other options. Good news though. :cheers:

Juba will remain as commercial hub……Also, the whole process of relocation will take time to effect.

chiefayic2
February 9th, 2011, 07:59 AM
:BTW is Ramciel an already established town or just an open place where they plan to build the city..

It used to be a no man's land. But it now boasts a small settlement, ever since the idea of building a capital there sprang up.

Also, I remember Rumbek and New Cush were at some point (during the war) considered for potential capital cities...I personally think Rumbek is, geographically, at the right place for a capital City

Rumbek is situated in a right position….But, its deficiencies are no different to Juba.

Kenguy
February 9th, 2011, 08:28 AM
Juba will remain as commercial hub……Also, the whole process of relocation will take time to effect.

As long as they don't neglect Juba and other major urban centres as they build this new city. :cheers:

Yoniii
February 9th, 2011, 12:55 PM
Can someone point out the new location on a map?

bh2010
February 9th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Ramciel - The new capital of the republic of south sudan. :cheers:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180513_1714099624700_1604464728_31643359_6455033_n.jpg


http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180513_1714099584699_1604464728_31643358_5096221_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/180513_1714099544698_1604464728_31643357_3941925_n.jpg

bh2010
February 9th, 2011, 10:33 PM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/180354_1714100824730_1604464728_31643363_6683604_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180354_1714100784729_1604464728_31643362_5018851_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180513_1714099664701_1604464728_31643360_2142951_n.jpg

bh2010
February 9th, 2011, 11:11 PM
:cheers::cheers: to a brighter future for the Republic of South Sudan :cheers::cheers::cheers:

BUTEMBO21
February 10th, 2011, 12:18 AM
I love it :cheers1:

Thanks for posting man,.

bh2010
February 10th, 2011, 03:47 AM
Can someone point out the new location on a map?

Trying to find it man, but it's not easy as many maps don't show it....It's somewhere in Lakes state but it never was a real town/village untill recently so you can't find it in the maps. I will upload the map as soon as i find it tho..

chiefayic2
February 10th, 2011, 08:58 AM
Great work ya bh.

chiefayic2
February 11th, 2011, 08:52 AM
Lake State Residents Endorse Ramciel as New South Sudanese Capital


By Manyang Mayom

RUMBEK, 09 February 2011 (Gurtong) – Last week, the Government of Southern Sudan Ministerial Committee was formed to look into a more suitable place for a capital.

The Committee comprised of the ministries of Housing and Physical Infrastructure, Health and Rural Development.

The Lakes residents expressed their views during live call-in radio programmes on two radio stations in the state, Catholic-owned Good News Radio and the state government- owned Radio FM 98.

They said Ramcel is the ideal location as it is at the center of South Sudan, while others said it is historically significant besides being close to a water source.

They also said that the new location connects at least three other states, that is, Upper Nile, Central Equatoria and Jonglei.

The Lakes State Political Advisor Marko Chol Maciec, who also advocated for Ramcel however said the capital can be located in either Juba or Ramcel, but said Ramcel’s historical significance as the original administrative capital of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) was a key factor in considering the new nation’s capital.

The Lakes State Governor Chol Tong Mayay has also been in the forefront in lobbying for the relocation of the South Sudanese capital to Lakes State.

Just last week, South Sudanese leaders said they were considering building a new capital after their expected independence as the current hub Juba lacked infrastructure and space for new business.

“There are so many things that Juba doesn't have now in terms of services," said Dr Anne Itto, a senior member of the south's ruling Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM).

Dr Itto added the committee would also consider expanding Juba.

Juba, which sits on the banks of the White Nile in the south's Central Equatoria state, has seen a dramatic but chaotic expansion since a 2005 peace deal ended decades of north/south civil war.
(Gurtong) (http://www.gurtong.net/ECM/Editorial/tabid/124/ctl/ArticleView/mid/519/articleId/4846/Lakes-Residents-Endorse-Ramcel-as-New-S-Sudanese-Capital.aspx)

musa90
February 11th, 2011, 10:38 AM
awesome :banana:

Constantine MMX
February 11th, 2011, 02:29 PM
Love the wide open spaces in the proposed city, a bit like Brasilia.

bh2010
February 11th, 2011, 05:24 PM
Love the wide open spaces in the proposed city, a bit like Brasilia.

^^ me too. I also like the white-house-looking building (could be the new SSLA building)...:cheers:

Great work ya bh.

Thanks Chief. It seems the Bari community is not going to change its on mind Juba or Gondokoro Island. And considering the heavy lobbying by lakes state's leadership, Ramciel could very well be our next capital :cheers:

BTW, do you know where it is on the map? I've scanned the map of lakes, esp. around the three states junction, and no ramciel...it's probably not there yet :lol:

chiefayic2
February 14th, 2011, 07:46 AM
Thanks Chief. It seems the Bari community is not going to change its on mind Juba or Gondokoro Island. And considering the heavy lobbying by lakes state's leadership, Ramciel could very well be our next capital :cheers:

Thus far, it look so……To me, the idea of building anything let alone a capital on Gondokoro Island was rather strange. I mean, it's a very historic piece of land among other things….Also, do you know how tiny that place is? The proposal was a sign of desperation from GoSS part…..Well, good thing that they have finally came to realisation that leaving is the best option instead of this stand off with Bari.

BTW, do you know where it is on the map? I've scanned the map of lakes, esp. around the three states junction, and no ramciel...it's probably not there yet :lol:

Yes, it's not in any map. As you know, until recently it was a patch of land known only to Aliap, Atuot, and Ciec communities. BTW, the only part of Lake State bordering both Greater Upper Nile and Equatoria is Awerial County. And according to my understanding, the junction area is being considered as alternative to Ramciel. That mean, Ramciel may be situated in either or between two of Yirol Counties.

Counties Map (http://www.unsudanig.org/library/mapcatalogue/south/data/admin/SS_0002a_Counties_A1_20091209_no_grid_300_1.pdf)

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:34 PM
The feasibility study has deemed Ramciel not suitable as the site of the new capital. The area is a swampy terrain......and that would make constructing anything there difficult and costly.

http://i56.tinypic.com/16kq52v.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:37 PM
New proposed location

This area is approximately 19,000 sq kilometers and would be curved from the four states of Central Equatoria, Eastern Equatoria, Jonglei and Lakes. The area proposed lies across the Nile spanning from Rajaf East (mouth of Kit River) in the south and extends eastwards to Ngangala, Khor Ingliz, Longairo. It then extends northwards through Lafon to cover southern grasslands of Jonglei State. To the west it mainly borders the Nile from Rajaf to Mangalla and northwards to Pariak. The City would also have an extended aisle into Lakes State that would broaden deeper into the territories of Rumshiel such as Minkaman, Wunthou and Kalthok.

http://i54.tinypic.com/10hobv7.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:41 PM
^^

http://i52.tinypic.com/e80dgl.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:44 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/2vmsje0.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:45 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/30w8tac.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:47 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/rc7jia.jpg

chiefayic2
March 31st, 2011, 06:48 PM
http://i54.tinypic.com/alq4j8.jpg

abnet
March 31st, 2011, 09:43 PM
wow! its going to be a beautiful city :cheers:

Rayman87
April 1st, 2011, 12:31 AM
Good news but why do africans design their capital city like a washington wannabe

arzaranh
April 1st, 2011, 04:38 AM
Good news but why do africans design their capital city like a washington wannabe
THANK YOU!!!! and why in the world is the city so short and spread out? all of the huge open spaces would be nice if there was some density to the city.

chiefayic2
April 1st, 2011, 09:23 AM
Good news but why do africans design their capital city like a washington wannabe

WANNABE!!.....How so? Anyways, what exactly is wrong with "Africans" designing their city in image of D.C. or any other city for that matter [not saying this is the case here]?

arzaranh
April 1st, 2011, 07:29 PM
^^the fact that you have to ask that question just proves the point

chiefayic2
April 1st, 2011, 08:05 PM
^^

And that point is?

bh2010
April 2nd, 2011, 11:28 AM
Great work chief, the new city looks so much better and the location is not bad IMO... :cheers:

Are there any other locations being considered or do you think this is going to be final?

chiefayic2
April 2nd, 2011, 05:14 PM
^^ Thanks, they may scale down the current proposed area....other than that, I think this is the final location.

Montrealers
April 4th, 2011, 03:21 AM
Congratulation for them

Kuwaiti
April 12th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Congratulations to all my brothers and sisters in South Sudan.

Tomb Raider
April 12th, 2011, 02:39 AM
Interesting, thanks for posting :)

ExcellentALWAYS
April 13th, 2011, 08:21 AM
So how far is this coming along? Any update?

chiefayic2
April 13th, 2011, 04:14 PM
^^ The project is not approved yet.

Janub
April 14th, 2011, 11:33 AM
THANK YOU!!!! and why in the world is the city so short and spread out? all of the huge open spaces would be nice if there was some density to the city.

South Sudan is a huge place, they don't need density because they don't live in Hong Kong, they have tons of space to expand, this is something that works well for them.

xJamaax
April 14th, 2011, 01:58 PM
Whe is it going to be completed?

Otherwise, congrats to our new neighbour!

chiefayic2
April 14th, 2011, 03:46 PM
^^ Once it is given a go ahead.......it will probably take a decade to finished.

xJamaax
April 16th, 2011, 05:55 PM
^^ Once it is given a go ahead.......it will probably take a decade to finished.
It will take a long time!Are they going to build it in steps?:dunno:
That's better I think

chiefayic2
April 20th, 2011, 09:03 AM
^^ Yes, it is going to be build in stages.

realrick7
May 26th, 2011, 09:36 AM
south sudan most be part of sudan

realrick7
May 26th, 2011, 09:46 AM
south sudan most be part of sudan

Ras Siyan
May 26th, 2011, 03:46 PM
Beautiful renders!!! Impressive really, with the green natural setting though seems a bit too "Washington"

But instead of building a new city outta scratch why not invest these billions to upgrade infrastructure in Juba and other cities?


All the best South Sudan! :cheers:

fozzy
May 31st, 2011, 01:04 AM
The plans and models of the new capital look great!!!! looks like it will be a very nice city.

mwanamwiwa
May 31st, 2011, 02:37 AM
south sudan most be part of sudan

:lol:

It must not.If they remained as one this new city would have build in the North.They would have called it Al Sunut.

chiefayic2
June 23rd, 2011, 04:35 AM
^^ True that..

chiefayic2
June 23rd, 2011, 04:37 AM
S. Korea to help plan South Sudan's new capital
(AFP)

SEOUL — South Korea's state-run land developer said it signed a preliminary deal Thursday to help southern Sudan build a new capital in what will be the world's newest country.

Under the agreement with the government of southern Sudan, LH Corp said it would offer the African country technical support to draw up a master plan.

"Southern Sudan's government, currently based in the southern city of Juba, is considering development of the new capital in line with its new status as an independent state," LH Corp said in a statement.

"We will help the national development of southern Sudan by offering" expertise accumulated over the last 50 years, the company said.

Southern Sudan is set to declare its independence from Sudan on July 9, after voting overwhelmingly for a split in a January referendum.

South Korea is trying to form closer ties with resource-rich African nations through various aid and infrastructure development projects.

Luli Pop
June 23rd, 2011, 04:52 AM
I don't like it, it's a non-city.

arzaranh
June 23rd, 2011, 06:28 PM
I don't like it, it's a non-city.
???

samounde
June 28th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Good Idea but they should also improve Juba and the other cities

realrick7
July 7th, 2011, 08:04 AM
ll

Norkey
July 9th, 2011, 09:17 PM
I heard Juba will stay capital as plans for the new capital were rejected (at least for some time), imo the most wise decision. Why to spend millions on such a useless project as rhino-styled new city when it can be used on improving the existing ones, like buiding new roads, stadiums, schools, libraries.. hmm.. :)

DiggerD21
July 10th, 2011, 02:19 AM
^^ Exactly my thoughts. By improving the infrastructure in the existing cities, it gives a good signal to the population. But if the political elite would build itself a new city from scratch and life there, I fear that they would completely loose touch with the population.

Rayman87
July 10th, 2011, 01:55 PM
I heard Juba will stay capital as plans for the new capital were rejected (at least for some time), imo the most wise decision. Why to spend millions on such a useless project as rhino-styled new city when it can be used on improving the existing ones, like buiding new roads, stadiums, schools, libraries.. hmm.. :)

+ 1

Rayman87
July 10th, 2011, 02:15 PM
WANNABE!!.....How so? Anyways, what exactly is wrong with "Africans" designing their city in image of D.C. or any other city for that matter [not saying this is the case here]?

Come on, the building that look like the United States Congress building, the obelisk, ....
What is wrong is that it's culturally irrelevant. Africans give an image of poeple who are ashamed of their society, their culture, their history. I'm sorry, but nothing tells me that "that's South Sudan" in the design. Just another capital in Africa who misses the opportunity to claim their culture to the world.

But if South Sudanese are ok with that then forget what i've said.

hsark
July 10th, 2011, 09:22 PM
eeew at the state house"white house" thats just from the urban frame work and planning otherwise it's going to look exactly like Angola's ......i really pray south sudan sitting on tons of oil the people of the south deserve it and there going to need the money to build a new country

Diggerdog
July 11th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Just improve Juba - use the oil wealth to show that you can succeed. This new country is very exciting, they have what they need to succeed.

And if the North and their war criminal leader continues their aggression, NATO should bomb them instead of Gaddafi.
South Sudan is a country now, they can't get away with killing innocents anymore.
Any cross border aggression is an act of war now, and should be treated as such by the international community.

Awesome.e
July 11th, 2011, 06:00 PM
doing abit much dont you think? A good government should spend bulk of the money on infrastructure, welfare, healthcare, education rather than lavish parliament (or palace) and lavish housing. What is the point of becoming independent if its not to improve the lives of their people?

kutyum
July 13th, 2011, 05:24 PM
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/kutyum/SSudanCities3.jpg

This will be a great and fabulous idea for a new city!!!

kutyum
July 13th, 2011, 05:24 PM
Also for Wao...

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/kutyum/SSudanCities1.jpg

arzaranh
July 13th, 2011, 08:19 PM
Also for Wao...

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/kutyum/SSudanCities1.jpg

so lets say i live in the first foot and i have to visit my sick uncle in the last foot. does that mean that i have to drive north for 10km then east another 6km and then south for another 10km even though he lives only 6km away?:nuts:

yosef
July 16th, 2011, 05:44 PM
^^ hey at least in that scenario your uncle doesnt live in the ear :lol: , no Im kidding.

I dont know if those animal ideas will go through or not. Personally I like the renders on the front page of this thread (Ramciel) alot more.

Bauhaus
July 16th, 2011, 06:09 PM
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/kutyum/SSudanCities3.jpg

This will be a great and fabulous idea for a new city!!!

:sly: ohhh come on people!!...

Architect 22
July 17th, 2011, 10:02 AM
just wondering did the say anything about transportation like
trams
trains
and buses
to get to this city or they have underground loops
and Who is the person who designed this model.
and have they heard of Jane Jacobs, its very important we look at it.

arzaranh
July 18th, 2011, 08:07 PM
^^ hey at least in that scenario your uncle doesnt live in the ear :lol: , no Im kidding.

I dont know if those animal ideas will go through or not. Personally I like the renders on the front page of this thread (Ramciel) alot more.

i'm not! that mess is ridiculous! if they have to build new cities just focus on one but make it world class.

yosef
July 18th, 2011, 08:32 PM
^^ lol, Im sure they will take yours or my advice seriously but yeah I agree I would much rather have more focused planning than the stuff seen here.

thaichitsiga
October 29th, 2011, 11:03 AM
tober 28, 2011 (JUBA) - Pan-China Construction Group, a Chinese company, has been awarded the lucrative contract to design Ramciel, the proposed location for South Sudan’s new capital, Sudan Tribune understands.

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Picture showing the design of a new city published on the website of the Pan-China Construction Group

The company reportedly beat off stiff competition from several bidders, including a South Korean firm, after they presented design proposals for construction of the new capital, which will be situated about 65 miles (105km) north of Juba, the country’s current capital.

“After months of intensive bidding, the government has finally awarded Pan-China Construction Group the multi-million dollar deal to design the new capital. Both parties are required to sign a memorandum of understanding before work can commence,” an official from South Sudan’s housing and physical planning ministry, who preferred anonymity, revealed.

South Sudan’s decision to relocate its capital, a few months after the country attained its independence on 9 July, resulted from a cabinet resolution. The Chinese company, specialises in urban construction according to its website.

Since its establishment in 1993, Pan-China has reportedly undertaken development, design, construction and project management for many high-profile projects. In Africa, for instance, the company has been awarded contracts in Angola, Tanzania and Nigeria.

In June this year, Korea Land and Housing Corporation (LH), a state-owned construction company has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the southern government to cooperate broadly during the course of the construction of the new capital.

Lee Ji-song, LH’s chief executive officer, said in a statement that the agreement will encompass a broader aspect of cooperation, including mutual technical collaboration on the master plan for the new country’s capital.

http://www.sudantribune.com/local/cache-vignettes/L425xH250/newcapital_3-72a10.jpg

eskandarany
November 12th, 2011, 12:28 AM
I feel sorry for South Sudan. Years of neglect and exploitation due to war with the North, now they basically gave the country to one of the many criminal gangs (SPLA)... already they are facing the same corruption, as well as tribal fighting - yet the world ignores and either does nothing or offers unconditional support. This new capital project is just another white elephant to cover up the mass corruption, which hopefully is decreasing but still far from acceptable even by African standards. South Sudan needs basic infrastructure even in its capital Juba - and nationwide links. Then it needs reconciliation and culture - not some immature sketch of a five star hotel in the middle of the jungle. The 'new capital' model only applies to countries with overdeveloped and overcrowded capitals - Juba has but one recently donated hospital, a handful of donated schools here and there... etc. etc. It didn't even have asphalted roads until a couple of years ago. It needs this money.

ufookoro
November 13th, 2011, 10:57 AM
Govt is having problems with developing Juba. Most of the current and future plans with regards to expanding Juba are meeting with opposition from land owners. Hospitals, power plants and even road constructions have been recently hampered.
I personally think these obstacles can be resolved with negotiations with land owners. It will be a thousand times more expensive to carry out this proposed Capital City relocation. With others, who have commented on the need to improve the current cities including the current capital, Juba, I concours.
Just my $0.02 :)

Jim856796
December 7th, 2011, 03:02 AM
Don't want to get off-topic here, but I'm not sure why South Sudan was created. Because of the Sudanese Civil War and Sudan being a military dictatorship, any other seasons, state them. Any project in the new capital city at Ramciel can last indefinitely, but what happens if Sudan's military regime falls and a new, better government comes forward in the unified Sudan? Then South Sudan's new capital will be all for naught. I don't know if South Sudan can last indefinitely or not.

Kulang
December 7th, 2011, 04:35 AM
Don't want to get off-topic here, but I'm not sure why South Sudan was created. Because of the Sudanese Civil War and Sudan being a military dictatorship, any other seasons, state them. Any project in the new capital city at Ramciel can last indefinitely, but what happens if Sudan's military regime falls and a new, better government comes forward in the unified Sudan? Then South Sudan's new capital will be all for naught. I don't know if South Sudan can last indefinitely or not.

:nuts: You're not sure why the south was created because you most likely do not even know much about the conflict in our countries. You should do some research, our countries will not be reunited anytime soon. North Sudan would probably break up into more countries before that even happens.

Jim856796
December 8th, 2011, 10:11 AM
^^I don't see that (north Sudan breaking up into several smaller countries) happening in real life.

arzaranh
December 8th, 2011, 07:02 PM
^^I don't see that (north Sudan breaking up into several smaller countries) happening in real life.

yet you can see the south reuniting with the north.

Kulang
December 9th, 2011, 04:47 PM
^^I don't see that (north Sudan breaking up into several smaller countries) happening in real life.
It happened once, I don't see why it can't happen again especially since there is fighting in the new south(of north Sudan), and Khartoum government is making the same mistakes they did during the first southern rebellion.

Jim856796
December 10th, 2011, 10:30 PM
^^Sudan is f*(&ed up.

xJamaax
February 5th, 2012, 05:29 PM
How is this new city plan going on?

bh2010
February 5th, 2012, 05:43 PM
It happened once, I don't see why it can't happen again especially since there is fighting in the new south(of north Sudan), and Khartoum government is making the same mistakes they did during the first southern rebellion.

Khartoum's inability to learn from past mistakes amazes me. They're doing it all over again and, just recently, the rebellions were talking of forming an alliance to oust the NCP regime. If they have their way, that's another half of the country gone!! I wonder how many breakaways will occur before they decide to use their brains. Seriously, the people running the Sudanese government have to be the dumbest group of people alive and Northerners should rise up Libya-style to get rid of these people because they're essentially shitting on the future of that country. For the sake of Sudan and the region as a whole, overthrow the NCP-led government - This is a matter of life and death for the future generations of our two countries. Our two countries need to be led by people that are willing to find peaceful solutions to disagreements and not cry war, war, war every time they can't reach an agreement.

chiefayic2
February 5th, 2012, 05:47 PM
How is this new city plan going on?

They haven't made their minds yet, regarding the design to adopt.

bh2010
February 5th, 2012, 06:02 PM
How is this new city plan going on?



South Sudan: Six Companies Compete Over Ramciel Contract
- BY DHIEU WILLIAMS, 7 DECEMBER 2011

Juba — The National Ministry of Housing and Physical Planning yesterday opened races to Six Companies over Ramchiel Contract Award of phtogrammteric, mapping and conduct surveying on the proposed New National capital Ramciel.

Earlier this year the council of ministers in meeting chaired by the president Kiir passed a resolution relocating the national capital to Ramciel amid MPs complaints about the decision that they were not informed to date. The six companies are namely Mariya Limited, SWECO, Pan-China Construction Co.Ltd, Synohydro Corporation Limited, Korea Land and Housing Corporation and finally Ofek Aerial Photography (1987) Ltd Vermessung Angst, One of the seven Germany companies pulled out of the race requesting for the contract extension something the ministry committee rejected calling it an obstruct to their program and schedule to evaluate the tender bids.

Eng. Alikaya Aligo Samson, who doubles as undersecretary and the chairperson of the technical committee which support ministerial committee for development of Ramchiel said after evaluating bidder's tender's technical proposal, the ministry will publicly announce the winners and again called for them for an opening of the financial proposal.

The ministry technical chairperson said they first need to evaluate the technical proposal, in order to qualify a company for a contract they will have to consider the ability of the bidders in term of manpower and also the financial capacity.According to him, the six companies participating on the contract race is composed of joint adventures of both national and international companies.

Mr. Aligo further added that the process of evaluation of bidders would be done within a limited period of two week hence make sure the process finished by the 25th of December this year. He however said the evaluation of the six companies bidders will be based on transparency and confidentiality.



- The Citizen, Juba

xJamaax
February 5th, 2012, 06:08 PM
That means all the contracts and and everything would have been settled this year. By next year, the construction will likely be on progress.

bh2010
February 5th, 2012, 06:14 PM
^^ Yeah, hopefully. I don't know how the new oil problem will affect that but we will see. I hope they can start soon though.

lady gaga
February 5th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Khartoum's inability to learn from past mistakes amazes me. They're doing it all over again and, just recently, the rebellions were talking of forming an alliance to oust the NCP regime. If they have their way, that's another half of the country gone!! I wonder how many breakaways will occur before they decide to use their brains. Seriously, the people running the Sudanese government have to be the dumbest group of people alive and Northerners should rise up Libya-style to get rid of these people because they're essentially shitting on the future of that country. For the sake of Sudan and the region as a whole, overthrow the NCP-led government - This is a matter of life and death for the future generations of our two countries. Our two countries need to be led by people that are willing to find peaceful solutions to disagreements and not cry war, war, war every time they can't reach an agreement.
Said who?:| i admit our government is stupid but you can't blame the people and i really do not admit of something called north snd south we are sudanese after all so stop saying suddan is this Sudan is fucked up that bullshitting love and respect and peaceuda

bh2010
February 6th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Said who?:| i admit our government is stupid but you can't blame the people and i really do not admit of something called north snd south we are sudanese after all so stop saying suddan is this Sudan is fucked up that bullshitting love and respect and peaceuda

Did you even read what I wrote? I said the people running the Sudanese government not the Sudanese people. :ohno:

lady gaga
February 6th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Then sorry my bad

Kulang
February 9th, 2012, 07:47 PM
Khartoum's inability to learn from past mistakes amazes me. They're doing it all over again and, just recently, the rebellions were talking of forming an alliance to oust the NCP regime. If they have their way, that's another half of the country gone!! I wonder how many breakaways will occur before they decide to use their brains. Seriously, the people running the Sudanese government have to be the dumbest group of people alive and Northerners should rise up Libya-style to get rid of these people because they're essentially shitting on the future of that country. For the sake of Sudan and the region as a whole, overthrow the NCP-led government - This is a matter of life and death for the future generations of our two countries. Our two countries need to be led by people that are willing to find peaceful solutions to disagreements and not cry war, war, war every time they can't reach an agreement.

I hope they can get rid of NCP too. It would be great if they toppled the government Libya-style, but unlike Libyans most in the north(excluding marginalized people) I don't think they even support or value rebels like Libyans do. So I don't know how they will get rid of NCP but good luck to them.

chiefayic2
February 24th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Korean firm to survey South Sudan new capital

By MACHEL AMOS in JubaPosted Thursday, February 23 2012 at 18:25

A South Korean firm has worn a contract to carry out feasibility studies for South Sudan’s new capital at Ramciel in the Lakes State.

The Undersecretary in the ministry of Housing and Physical Planning, Mr Alikaya Aligo, said the Korean Land and Housing Corporation gave convincing technical and financial expertise, out of seven companies that were shortlisted during the bidding.

The seven were selected last year out of 26 others that applied, including Chinese firms.

“They gave us a good offer, first of all on the technical proposal, entailing the scope of the work that we want to be done, the photographic survey, the seismic assessment and so forth,” Mr Aligo said Thursday, referring to the Korean firm.

The company will carry out feasibility studies within six months, which will be followed by “strategic planning”, he said.

“Their money is good that they can afford - they gave us some estimate of $2.5 million and I think we are happy with that; not because it is cheap, but really in technical study, they have the ability and they have the experience in doing that,” Mr Aligo said.

“We don’t want to compromise about the professionalism and good work and then the cost,” he added.

Mr Aligo said other companies could be sub-contracted while chances were high that the Korean Land and Housing Cooperation would go ahead with part of the work.

South Sudan resolved last year to build a new capital at Ramciel, about 240km to the north west of Juba, to avoid conflicts over land.

Link (http://www.africareview.com/News/Koreans+to+survey+South+Sudan+new+capital/-/979180/1333490/-/pfkdux/-/)

M.I.S
May 5th, 2012, 04:23 AM
SPLM IS A MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN NCP. SPLM ISNT EVEN A PARTY . THEIR CROOKS EXPORTING OIL AND BUYING FANCY CARS

chiefayic2
May 14th, 2012, 03:26 PM
$940 Million Budget for New South Sudanese Capital

By James Deng Dimo

JUBA, 12 May 2012 [Gurtong] - The South Sudanese Minister of Housing and Physical Infrastructure Jemma Nunu Kumba presented the proposed budget at the Economic Cluster of the National Council of Ministers.

The proposed budget to build the new capital in Ramciel in Lakes State was proposed by the South Korean Land Housing cooperation during the Minister’s visit to China last month.

South Korean Land Housing and Cooperation is the lead company selected to lead the five years construction project.

In 2011, the South Sudanese cabinet agreed to move the capital from Juba in Central Equatoria State to Ramciel in Lakes State in a bid to extend services to the rural areas in the country.

Minister Nunu told the Minister’s meeting that was chaired by the South Sudanese Vice President Dr Riek Machar that the project will be supported financially by donors.

The plan to relocate the South Sudanese capital to Ramciel was endorsed last September. Juba will however, remain a leading commercial town in the South Sudan.
Link (http://www.gurtong.net/ECM/Editorial/tabid/124/ID/6957/Default.aspx)

HerachioBlo
May 14th, 2012, 08:09 PM
I feel like this is a korean companies bid to become rich and it worked. Juba still had alot of room for improvement and development and was growing at an astronomical rate. It was still an unfinished project, why the move?

HerachioBlo
May 14th, 2012, 08:13 PM
awesome renders though

lady gaga
May 14th, 2012, 09:15 PM
^^agree

chiefayic2
May 15th, 2012, 12:39 AM
I feel like this is a korean companies bid to become rich and it worked. Juba still had alot of room for improvement and development and was growing at an astronomical rate. It was still an unfinished project, why the move?

How so? Decision to move the capital to Ramciel was made solely by South Sudanese authorities. The company was only hired to assist in putting the project to effect. Some of the reasons for moving have been explained in this thread.