As promised by Palts:
http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/irli-esinumber-palts-lubas-haapsalule-rongiuhendust.d?id=39882895

Heh. Typical populist BS. Somehow mr.Palts forgets that ERM funding is strongly tied to culture projects funding,meaning that it's not so easy to redirect funding to Riisipere-Haapsalu railway construction (which is infrastructure project :nuts: for politicians - infrastructure IS NOT same as culture)

Tbh,it's getting pretty stupid. I've observed comments made on both ERM & ERR projects and on both projects there seems to be forming strong opposition. Not nimby's,but some other force is behind it. For those who doubt financial feasibility of those two projects,I recommend checking out & comparing foreign equivalents - both museums & TV-stations ARE expensive. Some populist BS will never make them any cheaper and it's time to face it - some things are expensive and for best outcome it's reasonable to spend some money.
Come to think of it...same thing is going on with mainland-Saaremaa bridge - very strong & bit odd opposition has formed against it.

I prefer my tax money wasted on some real projects...I really like ERM,ERR and everything else what might be useful to all of us. Don't get me wrong - I also want Haapsalu railway rebuilt,but not in the cost of other projects.

Oh...one more thing - Riisipere-Haapsalu railway dam is in good condition and basically rebuilding would mean simple track laying & building signal systems. Estimated cost of new Estonian National Museum is 60-70 million Euros (half of it comes from EU funds) So Mr.Palts probably wants Haapsalu railway to have railway tracks made out of pure gold :lol:

What is this thread about? Rebuilding closed Tallinn - Haapasalu railway?

That and suggested controversial way of funding this project.

I guess it's worth of giving bit information about all that. Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line was ~50km stretch on Tallinn-Haapsalu railway line. In 2004 all tracks between Haapsalu town & Riisipere station were removed (incl. most industrial railway branches),effectively cutting railway connection between Tallinn & Haapsalu. Passenger trains stopped using this line in mid-1990s and in last decade it was used by freight trains.

Riisipere-Haapsalu railway (Black line)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Eesti.raudteevõrk.Riisipere–Haapsalu.svg/800px-Eesti.raudteevõrk.Riisipere–Haapsalu.svg.png

In recent years railway dam was converted into bicycle track. How it currently looks:
Source: EPL
http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2007/normal/117033.jpg

It's worth keeping this thread here,as in this year feasibility study of Haapsalu line rebuilding is scheduled. 'Comfortably' it's going to be carried out after elections (any negative decisions might be bit too uncomfortable for politicians :D)

Anyway,I predict that this line has...60% chance of being rebuilt,considering how strong opposition we have against expensive projects.

acctually it's pretty sad, that they closed that railway there :no: but yeah... that new story is just stupid, they promise absolutely everything before voteing to get cheap popularity

Remember! Vote for those who dont lie or for those who dont need cheap popularity/populism.

Remember! Vote for those who dont lie or for those who dont need cheap popularity/populism.

ugh, you mean dont vote at all?

Vote for those that you dislike the least...

On Haapsalu side there are many people (and politicians from several parties) who are interested of getting railway rebuilt,but it's whole different story if such small town would really manage to make themselves & their public interests visible to government.

So it's best to vote for people who care about small towns & rural area development.

On Haapsalu side there are many people (and politicians from several parties) who are interested of getting railway rebuilt,but it's whole different story if such small town would really manage to make themselves & their public interests visible to government.

So it's best to vote for people who care about small towns & rural area development.

why the hell should i care about rural area development? When has that ever paid off?

:doh:

So you would prefer empty,depopulated rural areas? (without development sooner or later living conditions deteriorate...the deadly 'pole majanduslikult kasulik' syndrome :no:) With shiny,well developed cities and almost third world-like rural areas? Wait,come to think of it,that's the current situation...

:doh:

So you would prefer empty,depopulated rural areas? (without development sooner or later living conditions deteriorate...the deadly 'pole majanduslikult kasulik' syndrome :no:) With shiny,well developed cities and almost third world-like rural areas? Wait,come to think of it,that's the current situation...

I imagine shiny new cities, and well developed rural land, which is used for farms/crop fields/forests etc. But Id rather do without Jõgeva and other such "cities".

^^ I must say I agree with ch1le on this one. Let's be honest, most of the wealth is accumulated in larger towns. The reason why places like Germany, Switzerland, France etc. have small farms were people still manage to make a decent living is because the people who live in cities pay for the subsidies the farmers receive. We cannot and needn't afford that. Growing crops or cattle can easily be done by a few people and some tractors. When the efficiency of farming goes up, the people who still work in that field can also have more decent wages.

Of course, if someone came up with an idea of how to keep the current rural population and increase their living conditions without pumping massive amounts of money for (state enforced) development, I'd definitely go for it. I'm not against small towns or villages as such, it's just that their not really viable in today's world.

^^ I must say I agree with ch1le on this one. Let's be honest, most of the wealth is accumulated in larger towns. The reason why places like Germany, Switzerland, France etc. have small farms were people still manage to make a decent living is because the people who live in cities pay for the subsidies the farmers receive. We cannot and needn't afford that. Growing crops or cattle can easily be done by a few people and some tractors. When the efficiency of farming goes up, the people who still work in that field can also have more decent wages.

Of course, if someone came up with an idea of how to keep the current rural population and increase their living conditions without pumping massive amounts of money for (state enforced) development, I'd definitely go for it. I'm not against small towns or villages as such, it's just that their not really viable in today's world.

yep.

Teisipäev, 22. veebruar 2011 Kell 14 toimub projekti „Ühistransporditeenuse pakkumise parandamine Lääne-Harjumaal ja Läänemaal" tulemusi tutvustav seminar Haapsalu Linnavalitsuse saalis (Posti 34, Haapsalu). Info Rein Riisalu, tel 511 2899

Raudtee pikendamine Riisiperest Rohukülani on riski piiri peal
http://le.ee/?a=uudised&b=8149

Raudtee pikendamine Riisiperest Rohukülani on riski piiri peal
http://le.ee/?a=uudised&b=8149


Extending railway from Riisipere to Turba is profitable,but there aren't enough passengers to extend railway to Rohuküla

Erm...what's the point of extending railway by just one stop? :nuts: Even if the railway is extended to Turba,then it would be more useful to extend it to Ellamaa and if it's there,then it's lot more useful to extend it to Risti (which would bring additional passengers from distant Lihula & Nõa areas) and if railway is extended to there then it's useful to extend it further etc. ...al the way to Haapsalu. Okay,Haapsalu-Rohuküla line might be useless,unless some decent feeder system is set up between trains,buses & ferries. But rest of the line might be profitable - IF there would be trains running every 1-2h. If it's a single train running once or twice in each day,then the whole idea of rebuilding the line becomes pointless.

Still,article has quite positive overtones and it's surprising that electric railway construction is again considered :) (originally Soviets planned to electrify Riisipere-Haapsalu line in late 80s,but then Soviet Union collapsed) Btw,I think that they really downplayed number of people commuting daily to Tallinn. I personally know that there are many local people using buses & cars for travelling to Tallinn each day because they work or study here and when the passenger trains stopped running & old railway was removed,local people's opinions about it were simply ignored (most Läänemaa residents were against closure of Riisipere-Haapsalu line).

Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line survey - it's profitable to rebuild it.

Fresh study shows that line would be profitable and within 30 year period would create total profit of 24 million euros to society (rearranged PT scheduling,peoples well-being,ticket profits etc)

Line would add 153000 passengers yearly.

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/02/27/526868t55h99c0.jpg

Source: http://www.e24.ee/?id=394719

well if they manage it this would be first line rebuilt in Baltics since soviets. nice indeed even they would extend it just to turba showing good example to other railway companies.

Skinest Ehitus has made rough plan of Riisipere-Haapsalu line reconstruction.

Skinest Ehitus has already made pre-project plans of railway reconstruction on demand of Harjumaa Ühistranspordikeskus who is also negotiating with other Estonian railway construction companies (8 in total) for projects. Skinest plan shows that old railway dam is in good condition for building new tracks. According to Harjumaa Ühistranspordikeskus construction cost is 'confidential',but estimated cost of rebuilding entire line is 35 million euros.

Source: http://www.e24.ee/?id=395084

Skinest Ehitus has made rough plan of Riisipere-Haapsalu line reconstruction.

Skinest Ehitus has already made pre-project plans of railway reconstruction on demand of Harjumaa Ühistranspordikeskus who is also negotiating with other Estonian railway construction companies (8 in total) for projects. Skinest plan shows that old railway dam is in good condition for building new tracks. According to Harjumaa Ühistranspordikeskus construction cost is 'confidential',but estimated cost of rebuilding entire line is 35 million euros.

Source: http://www.e24.ee/?id=395084

Rahvusringhäälingu uudislõik:
http://uudised.err.ee/index.php?06224789

I hate to say this but I don't think we'll see anything more than an extension to Turba in the next 10 years. Our politicians are extremely short-sighted and don't seem to realise the potential of a decent public transport system. Maybe, maybe we will see a non-electrified railway reach Haapsalu in the distant future but an electrified one...not very likely.

Are there really need for a railroad to Haapsalu? Just wondering, because there are only 11 000 inhabitants. Or is there massive industry which need a railroad?

Are there really need for a railroad to Haapsalu? Just wondering, because there are only 11 000 inhabitants. Or is there massive industry which need a railroad?

Good question. Leaving passenger traffic and all benefits from it aside,there are few factories & companies which could benefit from railway connection. Timber logging industry around Risti,peat harvesting South of Turba & Risti,forage plant in Taebla and quarries are few examples. Hmm,I guess Rohuküla harbour could be used for cargo shipping to islands,although it's only capable of handling small cargo ships.

Sadly loss of railway connection decade ago resulted demise of several companies which needed railway connection - there were also fisheries in Haapsalu and few machine shops & light industry.

Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line was discussed today on radio and proposed unofficial deadlines are for Riisipere-Turba - 2015 and for Turba-Rohuküla - 2020.
It was also said that project is very dependant on next decade's EU infrastructure funding & Rail Baltica project,which draws most of finances planned for railways. In next year more more secure decision will be made about the project funding.

Official preparation works for restoring Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line have begun.

Lääne county governor has formed commission,which does preparation works for restoring Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line. On first meeting commission studied project background & various feasibility studies.
Commission proposed Lääne county governor to send application to Ministry of Economics & Communications for entering Riisipere-Haapsalu railway line reconstruction to infrastructure investment priorities list.

Commission concluded that it's in the interests of Lääne county to restore train service all the way to Rohuküla harbour (Tin_Can - that's the maximum extent of previously demolished & currently proposed railway network)

Source: http://uudised.err.ee/index.php?06253256

:banana:

fu@k YEAH :cheers:

So does this mean Haapsalu railway station will go into use once more? :happy:

Stadler FLIRT arriving to Haapsalu... That would be awesome!