What I mean is Miami has become such a hot city that is drawing young people from all over the country and is now the second city of the east coast just like SF is the second city of the west coast. 10 years ago SF was pulling people from all over the nation to move there, but now LA is way hotter to move to. In fact Miami might be the cooler city than SF which used to be the third city

What do you think.

SF is to LA as Miami is to NY.

i think boston is a better comparison as the SF of the east coast.

Yeah, Boston is the San Francisco of the East Coast.

Then what's the Boston of the West Coast? :)

Uh... San Francisco...

i think boston is a better comparison as the SF of the east coast.


But people from all over the country are not moving to Boston to be part of the scene there like they do to SF. And now Miami is a huge national hot spot. I read that young college grads from all over the midwest are moving to LA (first and foremost) and Miami (second). SF used to be a huge draw (supposedly in the mid to late 90s almost 15% of all Michigan grads moved to SF which was second after NY).

So Boston is for sure not the SF of the east coast. Maybe Boston and San Diego or more comparable or maybe Portland.

Do you have a source of young college grad migration? I have been looking for one.

toledo is the san francisco of lake erie

Uh... San Francisco...

Uh, like totally ["W" hand signal] :)

Though with very completely different terrains, Miami and San Francisco are pretty alike in their CMSAs. Both have three core metro cities: San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose and Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach. Get my drift. Both metros also have developed metros that have their sprawl stopped up at wetlands. SF's stops between the hills and at least miles away from the Wildlife Refuge on land in the Bay Area mostly close around San Jose. Miami's stops at the Florida Everglades.

Toledo is crap...BTW silverlake love your signature ...if I moved to LA will I be considered more sexy than I am in 'the midwest'? I already am talented I guess...I can do guitar and piano and sing and I am a pretty bad ass actor, maybe that would be better if I was around some celebs out there ya know.....

toledo is the san francisco of lake erie

lol

Actually, more people moved to Michigan from California between 1995 and 2000 than vice versa.

Florida (36,000), Arizona (14,000), Georgia (12,000), Tennessee (11,000), and North Carolina (9,000) were the ones that gained the most from Michigan.

SF/Boston is far more appropriate a comparison.

-Boston is one the largest centers of higher learning in North America (Harvard, MIT, BC, Tufts, etc) and San Francisco is no slouch in that department either (Stanford, UC Berkeley, U of SF, etc). Miami has . . . the U of Miami?

-San Francisco is the IT and tech capital of the US, Boston has the second-highest concentration of IT and tech in the country (the 128 Belt). Miami has . . . some Best Buys?

-Boston has the highest concentration of biotech firms in the country (Biogen, Boston Scientific, Genzyme, Novartis, etc). According to this Brookings Institute report (http://www.brookings.edu/es/urban/publications/biotech.pdf), Boston and San Francisco have established themselves as the clear national leaders in biotechnology - both cities receive more NIH funding and venture capital for biotech than the next 30 ranked cities combined. Miami is ranked along Memphis and Oklahoma City as a "median metropolitan area."

-San Francisco and Boston are both important financial capitals. San Francisco’s Pacific Stock Exchange is the largest equity exchange by volume outside of NYC. Boston has the highest concentration of asset management firms in North America, with over $730 billion under management. Miami has the second highest number of foreign commercial bank offices in the US; however the vast majority of these banks are small Latin American banks with combined assets of less than Boston's State Street Bank alone.

-San Francisco and Boston are among the top 5 per capita income and median household income metropolitan areas in the country (number 2 and number 5, respectively). Miami is ranked 55.

-San Francisco and Boston are temperate and hilly. Miami is flat and warm.

-San Francisco and Boston have among the highest percentages of commuters taking public transit in the country. Miami is in the middle of the pack.

-Counties in the San Francisco and Boston CMAs experienced moderate to no growth from 1990 to 2000. Counties in the Miami CMA experienced high growth from 1990 to 2000.

I don’t wanna come off as smug here, but I think comparing San Francisco to Boston makes perfect sense. Miami should be compared to LA - both are fast growing centers of pop culture in warm climates with nice beaches, large service sectors and limited corporate presence.

But hey, SF and Miami can compare in at least one category: the 49ers and Dolphins will both be scraping the bottom of the barrel in their respective NFL divisions! ;)

No. Just another wannabe.

I think of Miami as more of a Las Vegas then a San Francisco.

SF/Boston is far more appropriate a comparison.

-Boston is one the largest centers of higher learning in North America (Harvard, MIT, BC, Tufts, etc) and San Francisco is no slouch in that department either (Stanford, UC Berkeley, U of SF, etc). Miami has . . . the U of Miami?

;)


isn't stanford more in San Jose and Berekely in Oakland/Berkeley????????? Those boston schools are more in boston....but whatever....i'm talking about cultural power and Miami has sort of taken over SF as a sexy place to move to..

Ranking of cultural power
1) LA
2) NY
3) Miami
4) SF
5) Seattle
6)

Berkeley is closer to downtown San Fransisco than U of Miami is to downtown Miami!

Maybe your area is influenced by Hispanic Miami, but not Boston, and not the Northeast in general. Our hispanic influence comes strongly from NY or directly from the Dominican Republic. Miami has zero cultural influence in MA, NH, RI or even in CT . . . unless you want to count the mediocre CSI Miami.

Which is again a tv show...and I suppose you said Seattle for Frasier and SF for full house....

Miami is not and will never be like SF.
SF is a world class city with culture, very polite, very liberal, with a nice scenery, with good public transportation, very urban, with a nice and elegant downtown. with a good universities, with very upscales restaurants, more per capital than any other city. (Wine country, golden gate, Chinatown the largest in NA, Cables cars, bay bridge, union sqare, Alcatraz, Coit tower, near sillicon valley, biotech power, and I can go on and on

It is ridiculuos to compare Miami with SF,
Miami should be compare to Phoenix or maybe Dallas,
but even the bay area metro is more than two millions larger than South Florida metro, that will be like adding the Orlando metro to MIami

isn't stanford more in San Jose and Berekely in Oakland/Berkeley????????? Those boston schools are more in boston....but whatever....i'm talking about cultural power and Miami has sort of taken over SF as a sexy place to move to..

Ranking of cultural power
1) LA
2) NY
3) Miami
4) SF
5) Seattle
6)
Where did you get that unbiased list from?

Where did you get that unbiased list from?

My guess would be a tv show ;)

"i'm talking about cultural power and Miami has sort of taken over SF as a sexy place to move to.."

Absolutely incorrect.

San Francisco does NOT attract the same kind of people that Miami does and vice versa. Miami attracts athletes and pop stars. San Francisco attracts intellectuals and entrepreneurs. Apples and Oranges.

Here's a look at some numbers CBSA vs. CBSA

2004 Population(CBSA(The new PMSA), Miami is 6th, SF is 12th)
6 5,375,480 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL
12 4,172,408 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA

Miami's CBSA is bigger because SF doesnt include SJ and other parts of the Bay Area. Actually over 1 Million people more then SF.

However,
Million Dollar Homes(SF is 2nd, Miami is 8th)
3 58,714 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA
8 10,332 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL

Homes worth $750,000-$999,999(SF is 2nd, Miami is 11th)
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 59,785
11 8,176 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL

Households earning $200,000+ annually(SF is 3rd, Miami is 9th)
3 125,022 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA
9 58,705 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL

Average Family Income(SF is 3rd(SJ is 2nd), Miami is 90th)
3 $99,814 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA
90 $66,883 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL

Bachelor Degrees and Doctorate Degrees(SF is 3rd, Miami is 11th)
3 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont,CA 1,242,268
11 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 790,140

Households earning less then $15,000 annually(Miami is 4th, SF is 11th)
4 329,406 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL
11 168,000 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA

Adults age 25+ high school who are high school dropouts(Miami is 4th, SF is 10th)
4 815,984 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL
10 448,695 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA

Racial Breakdown
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL
White Alone: 3,610,052
Black Alone: 946,573
Asian Alone: 87,868
Other: 363,071
Hispanic: 1,704,064

San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA
White Alone: 2,340,035
Black Alone: 396,908
Asian Alone: 817,906
Other: 568,891
Hispanic: 733,249

Foreign Born Population(Miami is 3rd, SF is 4th)
3 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 1,755,247
4 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 1,344,750

Millionaires under age 40(SF is 1st, Miami is 16th)
1 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 5,757
16 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 804

ya know, for being 12th place as far as population goes, San Francisco seems to more then make up for it an many other categories.

isn't stanford more in San Jose and Berekely in Oakland/Berkeley????????? Those boston schools are more in boston....but whatever....i'm talking about cultural power and Miami has sort of taken over SF as a sexy place to move to..

Ranking of cultural power
1) LA
2) NY
3) Miami
4) SF
5) Seattle
6)

LOL, SILVERLAKE, you crack me up. Are you sure Chicago shouldn't be 2nd or 3rd? Oh, wait nevermind. I forgot.

I dont see how someone could immaturely blantantly hate Chicago LOL

Me either. I don't understand how Seattle has more culture than Chicago.:lol:

Some people still live in 1992?

I don’t wanna come off as smug here, but I think comparing San Francisco to Boston makes perfect sense.
I agree. :okay:

Some people still live in 1992?

What?

^. . . the people who would place Seattle over Chicago on a list of culturally influential American cities.

No matter where & when those people live(d), Silverlake's list is total bogus & wide open to challenge.

Sorry, but somehow I don't see Miami as having any sort of major influence on my cultural life.

I dont see how someone could immaturely blantantly hate Chicago LOL

Probably the same people that could immaturely blantantly hate Miami. So many haters on this forum its not even funny.

I'm getting SO sick of these Miami "cultural, financial, national" importance threads because all it does is become a stomping ground for everyone else to try and make Miami out to be a terrible place, which is it not. Is Miami like SF? Hell no. Neither is Boston.

It is not EXACTLY like sf, but has the same draw to it. If you are cool and want to be where the action is you move to LA, NY, Miami or SF in that order.

5-10 years ago it was probably NY, LA, SF

10-15 years ago it was NY, Seattle, LA

15-20 years before that it was NY, SF

These things are in flux all the time. Just like it recently was stated in GQ that LA has surpassed NY as the hippest city in the US.


Probably the same people that could immaturely blantantly hate Miami. So many haters on this forum its not even funny.

I'm getting SO sick of these Miami "cultural, financial, national" importance threads because all it does is become a stomping ground for everyone else to try and make Miami out to be a terrible place, which is it not. Is Miami like SF? Hell no. Neither is Boston.

It is not EXACTLY like sf, but has the same draw to it. If you are cool and want to be where the action is you move to LA, NY, Miami or SF in that order.

5-10 years ago it was probably NY, LA, SF

10-15 years ago it was NY, Seattle, LA

15-20 years before that it was NY, SF

These things are in flux all the time. Just like it recently was stated in GQ that LA has surpassed NY as the hippest city in the US.

Oh thanks SILVERLAKE - you're the expert on hipness after all.

Holy crap would you quit LOL. If I want to be cool and beutiful , blah blah blah, some hot chick on this commercial I saw is from Pocatello Idaho and she looked like she might have been 'cool' LOL so HAH. :tongue2:

Oh thanks SILVERLAKE - you're the expert on hipness after all.

Ill bet his highness is decked out in the newest of the route 66 line at the Big K! Ya know, when I lived in LA I didnt see Silverlake as being a very nice place to be....not so hip at all.

Ill bet his highness is decked out in the newest of the route 66 line at the Big K! Ya know, when I lived in LA I didnt see Silverlake as being a very nice place to be....not so hip at all.

I still think he lives in Kansas & most of his knowledge of LA is based on television. That or he lives in some distant suburb like Riverside, well - Kansas, Riverside - is there a difference?

There is no difference, much of the inland empire is hell as are many areas in La's metro...like everywhere. But seriously this celebrity and cool garbage is getting old.

isn't stanford more in San Jose and Berekely in Oakland/Berkeley????????? Those boston schools are more in boston....but whatever....i'm talking about cultural power and Miami has sort of taken over SF as a sexy place to move to..

Ranking of cultural power
1) LA
2) NY
3) Miami
4) SF
5) Seattle
6)

At least you didn't put Chicago on that list, I mean, Chicago, cultural. HA! :jk:

It is not EXACTLY like sf, but has the same draw to it. If you are cool and want to be where the action is you move to LA, NY, Miami or SF in that order.

5-10 years ago it was probably NY, LA, SF

10-15 years ago it was NY, Seattle, LA

15-20 years before that it was NY, SF

These things are in flux all the time. Just like it recently was stated in GQ that LA has surpassed NY as the hippest city in the US.
If you want to cool, I say go get a flippin education before you post stupid nonsense.

Probably the same people that could immaturely blantantly hate Miami. So many haters on this forum its not even funny.

I'm getting SO sick of these Miami "cultural, financial, national" importance threads because all it does is become a stomping ground for everyone else to try and make Miami out to be a terrible place, which is it not. Is Miami like SF? Hell no. Neither is Boston.

Why don't you think Boston is like SF? Both are extremely dense hilly cities with very rich residents, extremely high land value, leaders in high-tech/biotech, and have great education. They are also both extremely liberal. I'm not criticising you and saying you're wrong, but I'd like to hear why you feel that way.

Bump

Why did you BUMP it???

Anyways... I think either Boston or Tampa fits more than Miami.

No. Boston should be. If not maybe Philly. But not Miami just yet.

I think of Miami more as the LA of the East Coast.

Miami is a special place, no doubt. It's attracting a lot of young professionals. It's a financial and cultural center, as SF, LA and Boston are. I've never been there but I get think the place is extremely underrated.

Probably the same people that could immaturely blantantly hate Miami. So many haters on this forum its not even funny.

I'm getting SO sick of these Miami "cultural, financial, national" importance threads because all it does is become a stomping ground for everyone else to try and make Miami out to be a terrible place, which is it not. Is Miami like SF? Hell no. Neither is Boston.

thank you ,we personally don't want to be like no other city were perfectly fine being a MIAMI............the booming city of the southeast

Miami deserves better...:jk:

yeah i think alot of the people took the analogy too literal to go as far as physical topography or cost of housing, i mean thats not what the thread was based on - it was based on its magnetism as a 'hip' or cool or trendy place to go whether it be for jocks or moviestar wannabes or techsters.

Not that it matters but Miami is home to the Technology Center of the Americas which is one of the newest most advanced facilities in the world - but its way small and crappy compared to silicon valley but then we r getting back 2 too much literalism. :)

anyways in terms of magnetism i think miami has it, the boston/sf comparison works from a monetary/education/topography perspective but theres no global 'buzz' around boston thats comprable to the ones in Miami/SF/LA/NY.

And Chicago is a really great and well cultured city but whats its major cultural influence today? ER?
ps thats just a joke to get back at the one someone made about CSI miami - if thats all you can know or credit miami for than imagine someone who only knows chicago via er - crime-ridden poor drama homicidal depressing stressed place :jk:

I think of Miami more as the LA of the East Coast.

Miami is a special place, no doubt. It's attracting a lot of young professionals. It's a financial and cultural center, as SF, LA and Boston are. I've never been there but I get think the place is extremely underrated.

thank you ! :)

^ No prob. ;)

I want to hear more about the R&D in Miami. Didn't Scripps move from San Diego to there?

Scripps is moving to Palm Beach county (i believe) though Miami was pushing hard to get them to be at Jackson which is the major medical research and practice center of Miami.

I think you're right, Palm Beach Co. At least Scripps is in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale metro. It might attract more R&D.

I dunno...miami seems more touristy and relaxed. SF seems more cultural, more world class, more business minded.

SF is very expensive too.

Ain't nuthin as hip as da Midwest.

I also see Miami more like the LA of the East coast than SF of the east coast (which I agree is like Boston).

SF is the Atlanta of the west.

College Basketball is the NBA of college.

Boston is the Seattle of the east.

Jack Lambert is the Ray Lewis of the 70's.

Miami is the LA of the east.

Angelina Jolie is the white Halle Berry.

Atlanta is the NY of the south.

Red is dark pink.

Anaheim is the Orlando of the west.

Pork is the other white meat.

Chicago is the NY of the midwest.

I'm the longer Ron Jeremy.

New Orleans is the Detroit of the south.

NFL Europe is the NFL of Europe.

Vegas is the Atlantic City of the west.

Winter is summer with cold.

Tampa is the SD of the east.

Pyongyang is the Moscow of Korea.

Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincy, KC, Indy, Pitt are all rust cities.

Politicians are reptile in suits.

DC, Bmore, Philly, Jersey City, Hartford, NY, are all one big super metro.

The French are the toilet of them all....

...But we can go all day....

^^^ :hilarious

Molo, you are a mess. :)

in importance i say yes, but over all they're very different cities

I'd say its more of a half-Chicago, half-LA of the East Coast.

I'd say its more of a half-Chicago, half-LA of the East Coast.
How so Chicago? Miami's skylines is starting to look like Chicago's.

People who still have the 80´s view of Miami form Miami Vice, honestly, all they do is show their age. If you still think Miami is a crime ridden city full of racil tension. your obviously the "old person" in the Forum.

San Fracnsisco is a great city, but you cannot compare any two cities. While its true that San Fransisco has a greater national prominence, its has only been in the last ten to fifteen years that Miami has really begun to flex its msucles. San Fransisco was a large city in the late 1800´s while miami was just being founded.The fact that Miami has grown so much in the last 100 years and is now at the level of the other large Metro areas in the US shows a lot. But lets consider some facts:

-Miami has the second largest concentration of banks, both national and international,in the US surpassed only by New York. (by the way, this is a tru fact, that cannot be disputed,numbers arent wrong)
-Miami has the largest amount of latin american headqurters of international companies in the US, im not sure about the whole hemisphere, there might be more in mexico city, but definatley the top 5 in the western hemisphere
-Miami is the leading candidate to be the secretariat of the FTAA (free trade area of the americas), an free trade area in response to and similar to the EU.
-The City of Miami is no longer the poorest city in the US, and because of sound economics it is rising in "wealth"
-While the City is sitll not one of the richer cities, that is because of the massive suburban development, and the Metro area is one of the richest metro areas in the US in terms of personal wealth.
-THe IT and high tech sector in miami is boooooommmiiing!!!
-Miami has the lrgest, most advanced researc facility for paralysis IN THE WORLD (thats a fact).
_Scripps is moving down to Palm beach which will draw more It companies to the Miami area
-by the way did i mention besides construction the largest job creator in miami is the IT and R&D sector.
-illegal immigration is down to a trickle
-Crime has been reduced drastically
-the unemployment rate is 4.2%, lower than the national average.(not sure what SF is)
-median household income has increased by double digits, reaching up to 24% in a year, for about 8 years now
-median houeshole price has also increased by double digits every years for about 8 years
-Skyscraper development in Miami is unparralleled in the US.
- it is tru that san fransisco is more of a national power house, and that is a great thing for the city, but SF´s accomplishments do not take away from Miami´s.
-About "Wordly", ask any rich european from spain italy france germany or any proseprous european country or any rich latin american, or any rich oil owning arab (a lot of them are buying stuff here) were they have their second home, or were they would like to have one, Miami or SF,i think it cant be denied that their answer would be Miami.
- I think San frnsisco has more national prominence but Miami has at least as much and perhaps more of an international one.It´s tru we had a lot of problems here in the 80´s but it is not the same city as back then, so please, Reagan is dead. the Cold war is over. little Bush, not papa bush is the president. so come into the 21st century stop living in the 80´s.

-Skyscraper development in Miami is unparralleled in the US.
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*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

perhaps you should see the miami thread(s) nyc chi have plenty of skyscrapers but the comment was DEVELOPMENT not existing. Miami has 90 towers for the CBD and 317 (yes 317) buildings either under construction/approved/proposed. There are more than 50,000 residential units going in to the cbd and if all goes well we will have two 110 floor 1200 ft towers that will surpass ALL in terms of the worlds tallest residential towers.
I have spent plenty of time in both and though chi and ny are developing a lot lately i dont think there are 90 proposed new highrises for eithers cbd.

and someone early made a great list of points miami is only 109 years old, miami beach is 90! imagine if it had 50-300 years more like ny sf or chi do!

*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

not by pecentage of population. perhaps in numbers. But with the population the city of miami has which is about 372,000 and the amout of prject being built, it is in the middle of a huge boom.

I'd say Boston is the city most like SF on the east coast.
Boston and SF have compact, urban central cities, great mass transit, highly educated citizens, highly paid workers, lots of high-tech, scientific, professional-oriented jobs.
Boston and San Francisco workers are among the highest paid in the country.

Miami is more like a baby L.A., It's very spread out with a severe case of sprawl. It's known more for entertainment, fashion, tourism, music, etc. than it is known for business. The salary gap here is huge and the average salary is much lower than the bay area or Boston.

Living in the Miami area, it seems that there are alot of rich people and alot of poor people but not so many middle-class people like you find in more business oriented cities like SF, Boston, Atlanta, etc.

Most of the jobs here in South Florida are in the service sector, retail, small business. South Florida does not have a huge professional workforce like SF or Boston.

South Florida is a place where multi-million dollar homes are less than a mile from the hood (Coconut Grove and Downtown Fort Lauderdale are good examples of this).

Miami's skyline is also misleading. Most of the skylines down here are made up of condo towers not office buildings. If you removed all of the condo towers Miami's skyline would not be impressive at all. SF and Boston have huge office tower skylines.

I'd say SF and Boston are far more alike than Miami and SF. Miami is much more like a little L.A.

perhaps you should see the miami thread(s) nyc chi have plenty of skyscrapers but the comment was DEVELOPMENT not existing. Miami has 90 towers for the CBD and 317 (yes 317) buildings either under construction/approved/proposed. There are more than 50,000 residential units going in to the cbd and if all goes well we will have two 110 floor 1200 ft towers that will surpass ALL in terms of the worlds tallest residential towers.
I have spent plenty of time in both and though chi and ny are developing a lot lately i dont think there are 90 proposed new highrises for eithers cbd.

and someone early made a great list of points miami is only 109 years old, miami beach is 90! imagine if it had 50-300 years more like ny sf or chi do!



There's over 130 highrises in downtown Chicago in proposed/construction phase, one of those U/C is a 1300 footer, and another 1000 footer will break ground by the fall, and there are over 18 500+ footers in the works also. This is all in an area of about 2 square miles. Go here for specifics:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18467

With NYC, I'm not sure of everything U/C, but I know there's two 1000 footers under construction, not counting Freedom Tower. Nobody has a complete list. Miami is one of the three most booming highrise cities though.

Here's a list from Skyscrapers.com

New York
88 under construction
21 approved
46 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 14
300 ft - 36

Chicago -
28 under construction
36 approved
76 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 46

Miami -
49 under construction
55 approved
44 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 37

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

just for fun, here's some more North American cities:

Toronto
54 under construction
106 approved
174 proposed
over:
700 ft - 2
500 ft - 10
300 ft - 32


Vancouver
45 under construction
16 proposed
11 approved
over:
700 ft - 1
500 ft - 5
300 ft - 22

Mexico City
128 under construction
9 approved
11 proposed
over:
700 ft - 0
500 ft - 0
300 ft - 14

Here's a list from Skyscrapers.com

New York
88 under construction
21 approved
46 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 14
300 ft - 36

Chicago -
28 under construction
36 approved
76 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 46

Miami -
49 under construction
55 approved
44 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 37

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

wow great stats funny 2 note that we all have 8 700 fters! Question does this include the 3 cities actual limits or is it considering their metro areas?

ps that gives a NA total uc/approved/proposed:
tor 334
ny 155
mia 150
chi 140
mxc 148
van 72

wait up the city of miami has 50 buildings over 500ft....so emporis and goonsta better change his little chart.............
Empire World Towers I 110 floors 1124ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Empire World Towers II 110 floors 1124ft Hotel/Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Met 3 74 floors 866ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Brickell CitiCenter 76 floors 808ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Brickell)
BRICKELL citicenter II 50stories????????????????????????????????
Capitol Towers I 64 floors 805ft Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Capitol Towers II 64 floors 805ft Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Paramount Park 68 floors 756ft Residential/Hotel --Approved (CBD)
Lynx 75 floors 745ft Office/Hotel/Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Lynx II???????????????????????????????????????????????????
900 Biscayne 63 floors 740ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Infinity II 65 floors 736ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
Flatiron 65 floors 685ft Office/Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Marquis 63 floors 679ft Residential/Hotel --Approved (CBD)
330 Biscayne 56 floors 659ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Opus 2 67 floors 650ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Upper East Side)
600 Biscayne 62 floors 649ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Riverfront West 1 630ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Opus 57 floors 620ft Residential --Proposed (Upper East Side)
Marina Blue 57 floors 615ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Dupont Plaza 60 floors 609ft Residential/Hotel --Construction (CBD)
Dupont Plaza II 60 floors 609ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Infinity I 52 floors 604ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
Riverfront East 1 601ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Cardinal Symphony 60 floors 600ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Upper East Side)
Platinum Bay 56 floors 589ft Residential --Proposed (Upper East Side)
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San Francisco is one of a kind. There is no comparison between the two. But that does not mean Miami isn't nice and doing well. :)

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

i second wut Mad Hatter said.

Im not sure wut the population is in the city of chicago, i know its prob. more than a million, in new york its 8 million, in miami its 374,000. So when u realize, using ur facts, that all three cities have about the same amount of buildings going up. It means Miami is really in a boom and due to its low population its boom is unprecedented. :eek2:

also the fact that chicago is 400+ square miles while miami is only 30+square miles tells you how much the city of miami is booming with over 50 500ft bldgs.

also the fact that chicago is 400+ square miles while miami is only 30+square miles tells you how much the city of miami is booming with over 50 500ft bldgs.


U tell´em. SNAP SNAP SNAP

Emporis has their standards, so if there isn't some towers on the list, its for a reason. There are many towers in CHI that are in plans, and many many more in NYC but not on that list.

And even with the city population, you have to factor in the small space these buildings are being built. Chicago is 220 square miles, but only about 5 of those buildings in Chicago are being built outside of a 2 square mile area. This area already contains over 800 highrises. The rest of the growth in Chicago consists of 2-4 story buildings.

I think the growth of Miami is phenomenal, but it definately isn't unparralleled in the US, there are its peers.

I'm not saying who's city is bigger and more booming or more popular, but just going against that statement.

Remember, yall aint the only one booming:

http://huddycakes.homestead.com/files/chi2020.jpg

uh we have our own little development map too but i'm to lazy to post it

i dunno how to post it, if someone tells me how to, i will post it. how bout this goonsta, if i admit our boom is happening in nyc and chigaco too, then u admit our boom is bigger.

I will say this though, our skyline will be beautiful come 7 years because of all the density. But it wont truly be a great skyline like nyc and chicago until the office development kicks in, and that will happen after the residential boom is over and there are many ppll livling in downtown. So by about 2020 i would say our skyline will be awe inspiring.

I still say were booming more than any other city in the US.

^
Miami is totally booming, at about the same rate as NYC and Chicago. In 20 years Miami may even surpass Houston, L.A., Seatle.... in terms of skyline if their current boom continues. Saying that, then if NYC, and Chicago's current boom continue then by 2020 They will have an even greater skyline than what they have today.

All three cities are at the same pace interms of construction. Miami just happens to be a much smaller city, So it will look much more different.

Word.

wow, what a retard festival this thread has become, whew!

miami is going through an amazing skyscraper building boom right now. so are NYC and chicago. why some of you seem so unable or unwilling to wrap your heads around this simple concept is a mystery to me.

as a bunch of a skyscraperfans, we should all be excited to see these US cities building more skyscrapers instead of being provincial little twats about it, "my city is the most boomingest in the US", "nuh-uh, shut-up, my city is the most boomingest", "no, fuck you, my city is".

everything is always a petty childish competiton on this fucking forum.

Interesting thread....We are no San Francisco or Boston...however compared to most large cities and metros in the south we are unique being densley populated.
The city of Miami (population of 386,000) is only 36 square miles which is comparable in size to Boston or SF.There are only three cities in the southeast that average over 10,000+ people per square mile and they are Miami,Miami Beach and Hialeah which are all in Miami-Dade County.
About the only comparison to SF we might have is that Miami is very liberal.
We have Human Rights Ordinances, an Urban Growth Boundary, nude beaches and we have voted for every Democrat that has run for president since Reagan.
If there is a city we want to emulate it will be NYC,SF or Chicago not Dallas, Houston or Atlanta.

You can argue how cities from different areas compare, but there is no way IMO, that you can say Miami is the 2nd city of the east.

This is a little off topic.......LA's towers are built with earthquakes in mind, are Miami's towers built especially for hurricanes?

Hey, I have a question.
What city are you most likely to visit for:

vacation?
work?
retire?
new home?
good looking people?
food?
weather?
culture?
entertainment?

The list is SF, LA, NY Chi, Mia, Vegas?
For some reason, SF and Chi never enter my mind on any two topics.
That just the way it is Mr. Anderson!

Here's a list from Skyscrapers.com

New York
88 under construction
21 approved
46 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 14
300 ft - 36

Chicago -
28 under construction
36 approved
76 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 46

Miami -
49 under construction
55 approved
44 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 37

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

By my count miami's numbers should be:
UC, approved, proposed
700ft - 11
500ft - 55
300ft - 119
That is a boom.

These numbers are for Miami-Dade County which is what is comparable to NY and Chicago's city limits (not just the tiny City of Miami). If all are built it should push the County over the 1000 highrise mark (at around 750 now).

Rise my evil thread. I bring you back from the dead

DC is the SF of the East Coast.

I can only foresee bad things for this thread.

Rise my evil thread. I bring you back from the dead

Aren't you cute!:):cheers: I'm surprised I haven't noticed this thread before, but the last post was in 2005 before you brought it back from the dead.

i think boston is a better comparison as the SF of the east coast.

Yeah, Boston is the San Francisco of the East Coast.

SF/Boston is far more appropriate a comparison. I don’t wanna come off as smug here, but I think comparing San Francisco to Boston makes perfect sense.

I'll have to agree with these guys. Having lived in San Francisco and from what I know and have heard about Boston. I would have to say that Boston is the San Francisco of the east coast.

Miami should be compared to LA - both are fast growing centers of pop culture in warm climates with nice beaches, large service sectors and limited corporate presence.

I think of Miami more as the LA of the East Coast.

I also see Miami more like the LA of the East coast than SF of the east coast (which I agree is like Boston).

Miami is the LA of the east.

Having lived in Los Angeles and now in Miami, I will have to agree with this. When I moved to Los Angeles it reminded me of Miami. When I moved back to Florida, Miami seemed like a smaller version of Los Angeles.

I'd say its more of a half-Chicago, half-LA of the East Coast.

Having lived in Los Angeles and having been to Chicago twice this year, I'll have to agree with this statement

How so Chicago? Miami's skylines is starting to look like Chicago's.

Having visited Chicago twice this year, I will have to say that this is far more true today than it was when this thread was started. The Chicago skyline and the Miami skyline are similarly configured along a large body of water with a river of their namesake running through their downtown. Both cities have their financial districts located south of the river.

I'd say Boston is the city most like SF on the east coast.

Miami is more like a baby L.A., It's very spread out with a severe case of sprawl. It's known more for entertainment, fashion, tourism, music, etc. than it is known for business. The salary gap here is huge and the average salary is much lower than the bay area or Boston.

Living in the Miami area, it seems that there are alot of rich people and alot of poor people but not so many middle-class people like you find in more business oriented cities like SF, Boston, Atlanta, etc.

Miami's skyline is also misleading. Most of the skylines down here are made up of condo towers not office buildings. If you removed all of the condo towers Miami's skyline would not be impressive at all. SF and Boston have huge office tower skylines.

I'd say SF and Boston are far more alike than Miami and SF. Miami is much more like a little L.A.

I agree with most of this, but what is really misleading about the Miami skyline is the fact that most of the buildings that you think are condos are actually multi-purpose, mixed-use structures that incorporate retail and office space at the lower levels of the building, so sorting out the condo isn't as easy as you might think, and oftentimes, what you think of as a condo isn't really just a condo. In my book, a tall building is a tall building. A skyline is a skyline. What makes someone say the Miami skyline is misleading? If it's a very tall building and I can live on one of the upper floors, I think that's even better. Our mass transit system is sorely lacking. Getting people to live, work, and play downtown is precisely what we need to do. It's not like we are a total beach town with no financial district or CBD. That's the city across the bay - Miami Beach.

^
Miami is totally booming, at about the same rate as NYC and Chicago. In 20 years Miami may even surpass Houston, L.A., Seatle.... in terms of skyline if their current boom continues.

We've already done it since this thread was started. Statistically, Miami now has the third largest skyline in the U.S. with the number of tall buildings over all that it has in its downtown. If you're into height, be patient, more is coming, although we have a height restriction of 1,010 feet.

I can only foresee bad things for this thread.

I'll see what I can do. BTW, the boys are planning something for me and I don't want you to miss out. Talk to Spellbound or Endeavor305. They won't be inviting anybody who didn't acknowledge my posts on the Club 50 at SkyscraperCity thread. That was my request.

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CSC_0748 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27357258@N03/7744410212/) by QuantumX (http://www.flickr.com/people/27357258@N03/), on Flickr

This isn't even the entire Miami skyline.^^ It is very difficult these days to get the entire Miami skyline into one frame and do it justice. I did my best below. This photo below represents the full span of the Miami skyline as it stands today with buildings over 500 feet tall. Many have been approved for the spaces in-between and to the north outside of the right side of the frame of this photo.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7752901862_1339a03925_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27357258@N03/7752901862/)
DSC_0981 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27357258@N03/7752901862/) by QuantumX (http://www.flickr.com/people/27357258@N03/), on Flickr

This photo represents the full span of the Miami skyline in terms of what has been zoned for skyscrapers and what have been approved. If you slice the photo down the middle roughly, on the right-hand side of the photograph, we can only build to 649 feet because that district (Edgewater) is directly in line with MIA runways. An 800-footer was planned there until the developer was told he couldn't build it. Then, the market crashed before the developer could reconfigure the project.

If you slice the photo into thirds, the left-hand side represents where we can build up to 1,010 feet. That is our financial district and CBD.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5113/7086983115_6c05e46f84_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27357258@N03/7086983115/)
DSC_0336 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27357258@N03/7086983115/) by QuantumX (http://www.flickr.com/people/27357258@N03/), on Flickr

Is Miami really starting to become the first unamerican city in america?

No. That's a different topic, BTW!

Is Miami really starting to become the first unamerican city in america?

Unamerican? How so? and haven't we already established the "American" is just an idea. No state or city is more "American" than the other.

I've been in San Francisco and I dont think so.. :lol:... Maybe in 20 years ... And i don't know where did u get that idea of Miami being East Coast's second city. Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Charlotte and even Atlanta would be ahead of Miami.

I've been in San Francisco and I dont think so.. :lol:... Maybe in 20 years ... And i don't know where did u get that idea of Miami being East Coast's second city. Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Charlotte and even Atlanta would be ahead of Miami.

Most of the cities you've mentioned though are not coastal cities.

Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Charlotte and even Atlanta would be ahead of Miami.

Charlotte doesn't belong in that group.

Everything else you said is highly debatable.

I've been in San Francisco and I dont think so.. :lol:... Maybe in 20 years ... And i don't know where did u get that idea of Miami being East Coast's second city. Boston, Philadelphia, DC, Charlotte and even Atlanta would be ahead of Miami.

I agree wtih you

specially San Francisco, that is what we called a CITY
Downtown SF is light years ahead of MIami, Metreon, union Square, BART, Embarcadero center, Yerba Buena center, the MOscone Center, the theater district, San Francisco Centre, Fisherman wharf, Golden Gate, Golden Gate park
and I can go on and on. :banana::banana::banana:

there is no way to compare Miami to SF

We already know how you feel. You don't need to post anything.

I agree wtih you

Downtown SF is light years ahead of MIami, Metreon, union Square, BART, Embarcadero center, Yerba Buena center, the MOscone Center, the theater district, San Francisco Centre, Fisherman wharf, Golden Gate, Golden Gate park
and I can go on and on.

I"m confused, you just said that downtown SF is light years ahead of a bunch of attractions in downtown SF.

Most of the cities you've mentioned though are not coastal cities.

Well.. Maybe not Atlanta. Still, Miami is an important city but not as some people believe.

In terms of density, I would tend to compare Boston with SF, and in term of culture, I think that DC and SF have the most in common. To me, in terms of size, density, skyline along the water, diversity, economic strength, beaches/sunshine/tourism... Miami is the East Coast version of San Diego (or, SD is the West Coast version of MIA).

Maybe but just in tourism and beaches.. The rest, MIami is not even close... San Diego is more like Seattle, Vancouver, Boston and San Francisco.

I could not agree with you two less. San Diego is nothing like San Francisco and Miami is nothing like San Diego. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, Miami is a smaller version of L.A. as others have already said.

I could not agree with you two less. San Diego is nothing like San Francisco and Miami is nothing like San Diego. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, Miami is a smaller version of L.A. as others have already said.

Well, having grown up in Los Angeles, and having lived the last four years stationed in San Diego, I think that San Diego IS pretty much a smaller version of L.A.! My best friend was from Hialeah, and he used to remark all the time how similar Dago and Miami were. I haven't lived in Miami, though I have been there several times, and that is why I laid out the comparisons I did. What are your arguments why "Miami is nothing like San Diego"?

Maybe Miami Beach, if we are talking about nightlife, restaurants, tourism, etc. Beside that, San Diego is not Miami. And yes, I think San Diego is a small and better version of Los Angeles. If we are talking about quality of life, murder rate, weather then Miami is not San Diego. Although if we are talking about the skyline, then maybe san diego could be a small version of the Miami skyline.

Well, having grown up in Los Angeles, and having lived the last four years stationed in San Diego, I think that San Diego IS pretty much a smaller version of L.A.! My best friend was from Hialeah, and he used to remark all the time how similar Dago and Miami were. I haven't lived in Miami, though I have been there several times, and that is why I laid out the comparisons I did. What are your arguments why "Miami is nothing like San Diego"?

Well, now that you've mentioned it, I haven't been to San Diego in awhile, so maybe Miami and San Diego are more alike these days, but having been to Chicago twice this year, a lot of it sure reminded me of Miami.

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Miami is the LA of the East coast, NYC is the San Francisco of the east coast.

Miami is the LA of the East coast, NYC is the San Francisco of the west coast.

Don't you mean San Francisco is the New York of the west coast.

Don't you mean San Francisco is the New York of the west coast.

oops.... yes:eek:

^^^ haha you know New Yawkers are gonna take that personal!

San Fran is not the New York of the West Coast. Miami is not another San Fran or LA or San Diego or Chicago. These are all very different cities with very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You guys look for the very minor patterns that make these cities seem similar and ignore the overwhelming evidence that these cities are entirely different. About San Fran and Miami, they are not twin cities. Stop trying to make this stuff up because it sounds retarded. And to Quantum X that keeps comparing Miami to Chicago, it's getting pathetic how you don't stop bombarding these boards with the same incorrect thought that Miami is a baby Chicago. The cities are not similar. You post skyline shots of Miami for a failed attempt at comparisons, and totally disregard the fact that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. Miami is not the shadow or baby version or coastal twin of any other place. It is an amazing place with it's own unique identity to the world.

Okay, baby! Anything you say! :):cheers:

San Fran is not the New York of the West Coast. Miami is not another San Fran or LA or San Diego or Chicago. These are all very different cities with very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You guys look for the very minor patterns that make these cities seem similar and ignore the overwhelming evidence that these cities are entirely different. About San Fran and Miami, they are not twin cities. Stop trying to make this stuff up because it sounds retarded. And to Quantum X that keeps comparing Miami to Chicago, it's getting pathetic how you don't stop bombarding these boards with the same incorrect thought that Miami is a baby Chicago. The cities are not similar. You post skyline shots of Miami for a failed attempt at comparisons, and totally disregard the fact that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. Miami is not the shadow or baby version or coastal twin of any other place. It is an amazing place with it's own unique identity to the world.

Hey HomrQT, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions, but if you think we are gonna stop giving ours because you decide to jump into the post, claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up... you can take that lunacy back to the Second City! Have you even been to any of these cities you are mentioning? What is your argument/ "overwhelming evidence" that they are nothing alike? Either add to the conversation or take your trolling to other posts!

Hey HomrQT, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions, but if you think we are gonna stop giving ours because you decide to jump into the post, claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up... you can take that lunacy back to the Second City! Have you even been to any of these cities you are mentioning? What is your argument/ "overwhelming evidence" that they are nothing alike? Either add to the conversation or take your trolling to other posts!

I've already made my argument. I know you're hurt because I'm disagreeing with you but I clearly said these cities have very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You can also add weather to the list. I also stated that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. But just like you cherry pick data points with your comparisons in cities, you only picked the things that worked in your mind about my argument "claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up" and then skipped everything else I said. I'm not going to list the unlimited amount of ways these cities are different because it would take forever. Yes I've visited these cities and they are wildly different from each other. Miami is Miami. It's not the San Fran of the East Coast.

I agree wtih you

specially San Francisco, that is what we called a CITY
Downtown SF is light years ahead of MIami, Metreon, union Square, BART, Embarcadero center, Yerba Buena center, the MOscone Center, the theater district, San Francisco Centre, Fisherman wharf, Golden Gate, Golden Gate park
and I can go on and on. :banana::banana::banana:

there is no way to compare Miami to SF

I see the troll has resurfaced after many years of hiding & bashing Miami.

Yo, you are one to talk about being hurt! why are you on this post? Because somebody compared Miami to Chicago? Is that why you went on your rant?

Yeah, I was a contributor to this post, so therefore I am on the receiving end of your tirade. I happened to have lived in San Diego for a few years, as well as Los Angeles (as well as being stationed just north of Chicago btw), and have been to Miami many times. So if you disagree with my arguments, that is all good. But nobody except you said anything about twin cities, and for you to say that I and others sound retarded for making comparisons and stating our opinions is pretty disrespectful.

San Diego/Miami = Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries

Yo, you are one to talk about being hurt! why are you on this post? Because somebody compared Miami to Chicago? Is that why you went on your rant?

Yeah, I was a contributor to this post, so therefore I am on the receiving end of your tirade. I happened to have lived in San Diego for a few years, as well as Los Angeles (as well as being stationed just north of Chicago btw), and have been to Miami many times. So if you disagree with my arguments, that is all good. But nobody except you said anything about twin cities, and for you to say that I and others sound retarded for making comparisons and stating our opinions is pretty disrespectful.

San Diego/Miami = Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it. But to me I see huge flaws in comparing cities. For example your San Diego/Miami comparisons. "Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries" could also be a bunch of cities in South America, Central America, and Spain." If you came down to more specifics, I would say that Miami and San Diego are very different. For example the majority of latinos in Miami are mostly Cuban as to the majority Mexicans in Sand Diego. Both groups speak a variation of Spanish but have very different cultures respectively. And from their individual cultures they have influenced their cities in different ways. The terrain of San Diego is more cliff/highlands compared to Miami's everglades, swamp and flat coast. Miami is worried about hurricanes, Sand Diego has earthquakes. San Diego has a handful of Art Deco buildings whereas Miami is internationally known in the architecture community for it's rich Art Deco collection. And if we got into more... foods, music, politics, the other ethnicities that make up these cities, the other styles of architecture they are representing, it just doesn't make any sense to say Miami is the San Francisco or San Diego or Chicago of the east coast.

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it.

I'm glad you said this. It's all in good fun. In comparing cities and how they are alike or how they are different is how we learn more about them, so that when we visit cities we've never been to before, we have some idea of what to expect whether we agree or disagree on certain points. I've heard people say things like San Francisco is the most eastern of west coast cities decades ago and I understand why they say that. When I moved to Los Angeles in 1974, it reminded me a lot of Miami. When I moved back to Florida in 1984, it reminded me a lot of southern California. The fact that it reminds me or brings it to mind is a valid point whether it does that for anybody else or not. If southern California comes to mind sometimes when I'm driving around south Florida, there is nothing I can do about that even though all cities are uniquely their own thing.

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it. But to me I see huge flaws in comparing cities. For example your San Diego/Miami comparisons. "Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries" could also be a bunch of cities in South America, Central America, and Spain." If you came down to more specifics, I would say that Miami and San Diego are very different. For example the majority of latinos in Miami are mostly Cuban as to the majority Mexicans in Sand Diego. Both groups speak a variation of Spanish but have very different cultures respectively. And from their individual cultures they have influenced their cities in different ways. The terrain of San Diego is more cliff/highlands compared to Miami's everglades, swamp and flat coast. Miami is worried about hurricanes, Sand Diego has earthquakes. San Diego has a handful of Art Deco buildings whereas Miami is internationally known in the architecture community for it's rich Art Deco collection. And if we got into more... foods, music, politics, the other ethnicities that make up these cities, the other styles of architecture they are representing, it just doesn't make any sense to say Miami is the San Francisco or San Diego or Chicago of the east coast.

All excellent points! I completely agree with everything you said. Trust me, having been the Navy my entire life, I have been to and lived all over the world, and I realize how unique each place is. But the title of this thread is "Has Miami become the SF of the east coast?" (in the United States Urban Issues forum), so therefore these posts are comparisons to which American cities Miami and SF have the most in common with. I don't believe that anybody intended to claim that the cities were overwhelmingly similar. I am a Chicano from Cali and my best friend is a Cuban from Miami, so we debate these cultural and geographical similarities and differences all the time. He clowns because my last name is Castro.
So, all in good fun, nothing personal. Apology accepted.
BTW, San Diego's art deco is pretty lacking, but it's historical Spanish missions and architecture are amazing.

All excellent points! I completely agree with everything you said. Trust me, having been the Navy my entire life, I have been to and lived all over the world, and I realize how unique each place is. But the title of this thread is "Has Miami become the SF of the east coast?" (in the United States Urban Issues forum), so therefore these posts are comparisons to which American cities Miami and SF have the most in common with. I don't believe that anybody intended to claim that the cities were overwhelmingly similar. I am a Chicano from Cali and my best friend is a Cuban from Miami, so we debate these cultural and geographical similarities and differences all the time. He clowns because my last name is Castro.
So, all in good fun, nothing personal. Apology accepted.
BTW, San Diego's art deco is pretty lacking, but it's historical Spanish missions and architecture are amazing.

I don't get why when people think of Miami they think Cubans! Not all Latinos in Miami are from Cuban...ugh.

I don't get why when people think of Miami they think Cubans! Not all Latinos in Miami are from Cuban...ugh.

But you are quoting Jcastro805 as if this is what he said, when this is not what he said.

I don't get why when people think of Miami they think Cubans! Not all Latinos in Miami are from Cuban...ugh.

Thanks QuantumX, I never said this. Now, just because somebody thinks of Cubans when they think of Miami doesn't mean that they think ALL Latinos in Miami are Cubans. You see the difference?

According to the Census Bureau, Cubans (Cuban-Americans...I don't want to get into semantics) are over half of all the Latinos in Miami-Dade, and Miami-Dade has the largest Cuban population in the U.S., so that is why I think of Cubans when I think of Miami demographics, and I think it is something the city should be proud of.
Just as if you think of Los Angeles or San Antonio, you may think of Mexicans/Chicanos... I hope people are not ignorant enough to think that ALL the Latinos living in these cities are Mexican...

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf

I am a Chicano from Cali and my best friend is a Cuban from Miami, so we debate these cultural and geographical similarities and differences all the time.

Well, considering this is what you really said, I'm not sure who Miami305 is talking to.^^:):cheers:

And I don't know why HomrQT reacted the way he did when all I said was "having been to Chicago twice this year, a lot of it sure reminded me of Miami." I didn't actually compare the cities or say that Miami was a baby Chicago. If I'm riding around Chicago and certain aspects of it remind me of Miami. There is nothing I can do about that and there is nothing to agree or disagree on or feel hurt about. It just is what it is.