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Perths new waterfront finally going ahead
Josh Jerga|February 15, 2011
AAP

It has been 30 years of talk but West Australian Premier Colin Barnett says the redevelopment of the Perth waterfront is finally going ahead with construction to start early next year.

The premier announced on Tuesday cabinet has approved $270 million in funding for the project in next year's budget with construction expected to be completed in mid-2014.

Mr Barnett said that despite decades of talk from successive Liberal and Labor governments over the project, which will transform the Perth's Swan River foreshore, he could now guarantee it would become a reality.

"I can reassure the people of Perth, there has been a lot of talk, a lot of design and discussions about the Perth waterfront over at least the last 30 years, the project now is formally underway," he told reporters.

The design for the project had been chosen and will include a 2.7 hectare inlet, a boardwalk and promenade which will link to a man-made island.

It will also include residential, retail and commercial office space as well as a national Indigenous Cultural Centre which will be built once the waterfront project is completed.

Perth Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi said, given the fact this project and the proposal to sink the city's railway line are going ahead, it was evident the city is truly changing.

"Along with the Perth city link, this is the most significant thing happening in our capital city, certainly within the last 100 years," Ms Scaffidi said.

"We're going to look back on this time and realise the exponential growth for our capital city right now is significant. More importantly it's enabled us to rebrand ourselves as a city increasingly on a global stage."

Mr Barnett said the cost of construction will be about $440 million however after land sales the net cost for tax payers will be about $270 million.

He said he was optimistic the area around the project "will be the best land in Perth" and depending on the property market, believed the government will come out well from the sale.

"I'm confident and the people involved in the planning, engineering side are confident that we have got a handle on this, so that's the best projection of the cost of it," the premier said.

"I think the upside might well be there on property sales as the project comes to fruition, given the growth in the city and the demand for more residential and commercial space."

Ms Scaffidi said it was possible there would be blow-outs in the project's cost however it should be viewed as an investment.

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http://online.planning.wa.gov.au/waterfront/waterfront2.jpg

Official Website:
http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Plans+and+policies/Metropolitan+planning/Perth+Waterfront/default.aspx

Looking good and go away nimby's!!!

Go here if you want to zoom in on those pics...

(or view a fly-through)

http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Plans+and+policies/Metropolitan+planning/Perth+Waterfront/Flythrough+and+key+images/default.aspx

Very good. I like the fact that Perth is going ahead with an indigenous cultural centre, which Barangaroo in Sydney won't have at this stage.

ok, hit us with the towers heights? 150m for the tallest?
looks fab

Looks "nice"' but a pity about the loss of height from previous proposals. Definitely will be a great place to visit.

agree, instead of a wall of 5 130m skyscrapers wtf? should have been a couple of 200m+ towers spread.great urban planning guys.

agree, instead of a wall of 5 130m skyscrapers wtf? should have been a couple of 200m+ towers spread.great urban planning guys.

^^ works for your fave city Sydney Cul. A wall of 150m or less highrise buildings. Melbourne has tall skyscrapers that are spread out.

^perth aint no sydney. ithey dont need a wall of bldgs overlooking a new precinct. just be nice if they were taller and only a 3 or 4.

Now that is cool! We should be doing that in Melbourne with vic harbor!

Also... Perth are sinkin rail lines!??? Another thin melbounre should look to copy! I've lived in melb just over a month now and as adequate as the highways are gettin from (in my) case the monash, back home in malvern, you fly home at night but then spend 15 mins on the off ramp waiting for trains to clear so the boom gate goes up and traffic
From the highway can exit onto bourke rd! It's crazy!! Why hav a highway that can move all these cars when getting off the highway might as well put you in the middle of the cbd with all the traffic!

Sink the rails melb! Sink them!

Looks really good, great development for Perth.

The premier announced on Tuesday cabinet has approved $270 million in funding for the project in next year's budget with construction expected to be completed in mid-2014.

So the whole things gonna be done in 2.5 years?

It looks incredible. Great to see it going ahead. Will be a major boost to Perth I can imagine. I'd certainly be very happy if Barangaroo central can turn out to be a bit like this.

No just the foundations are to be done by mid 2014, thats 3 and a half years not 2.5, so things like the inlet, jetties, bridges, island, boardwalks etc. are being built by the state government then the surrounding land will be sold off to private developers for towers, shops, restaurants/bars, hotels/apartments etc.

I'd be guessing more like 2018ish before the final outcome resembles anything like the renders, until construction and/or completion of buildings have started in and around it.





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ahh ok that sounds more like it

^perth aint no sydney. ithey dont need a wall of bldgs overlooking a new precinct. just be nice if they were taller and only a 3 or 4.

Sydney has too many gaps, except for on the Macquarie Street side of the city, Sydney looks the best from the Royal Botanical Gardens. Barangaroo looks promising however.
Brisbane is a perfect example of an amazing wall of towers against a waterfront, something Sydney's Circular Quay should aspire to.
And I think Perth has the right idea here.

Looks good, a great connection to the river and water.
With the towers 5 100-150m towers might be financially more attainable then trying for 3 250m mega towers (as such). I would rather see those built then a huge wait just because you want something unattainable. We don't have another dozen BHP's running around to fill up towers.

Out of curiosity, how high is the building with the ANZ roof signage just behind this plot of land?

Oh on a flip side, putting significant buildings on that plot of land will probably put an end to planes landing on Kings (?) Park during the Red Bull Air Races, assuming they will return to Perth.

Mixed thoughts on the design but my biggest question is,

What happens to all the Riverside drive traffic during construction and then, after construction?

Looks good, a great connection to the river and water.
With the towers 5 100-150m towers might be financially more attainable then trying for 3 250m mega towers (as such). I would rather see those built then a huge wait just because you want something unattainable. We don't have another dozen BHP's running around to fill up towers.

Out of curiosity, how high is the building with the ANZ roof signage just behind this plot of land?

132m. The ground it sits on is higher than the esplanade though, so a better comparison for height would be exchange plaza, which is 146m and is across the road from the eastern most waterfront building.

And I agree with you about the mega towers. We have height anyway, what we need is density and depth, and the waterfront will do nicely.

Mixed thoughts on the design but my biggest question is,

What happens to all the Riverside drive traffic during construction and then, after construction?

During construction i imagine it will be diverted like William street or Wellington street is right now.

After construction it will be around the back of the towers and traffic will flow that way.

Big fan of your SUV?

During construction i imagine it will be diverted like William street or Wellington street is right now.

After construction it will be around the back of the towers and traffic will flow that way.

Big fan of your SUV?

I see it as one giant transportation disaster especially considering the poor state of the current public transport system in Perth; during and after construction.

Mixed thoughts on the design but my biggest question is,

What happens to all the Riverside drive traffic during construction and then, after construction?

Looks like they are going to fast-track expanding the Graham Farmer tunnel from 2-3 lanes. Strange criticism is already occurring commenting that this is reckless. A silly thing to say, really, when the tunnel was always designed to utilise the extra wide emergency lane in the future.

It is annoying how critics will knock something with such immature pretence.

It is still unknown what the max permissible heights will be. Those sites you see will on-sold to private developers later down the track so I guess we will find out then.

More often than not, building heights exceed those represented in the concept renders.

I see it as one giant transportation disaster especially considering the poor state of the current public transport system in Perth; during and after construction.

Apart from disruptions to the waterfront train station during construction of the building above it (much like how 140 affected the Perth underground) i don't see this terribly affecting public transport at all.

If you feel that public transport is that bad in Perth, it might be more constructive to focus on that instead of wildly claiming that the shut down of 1 road is the be all and end all of Perth.

Apart from disruptions to the waterfront train station during construction of the building above it (much like how 140 affected the Perth underground) i don't see this terribly affecting public transport at all.

If you feel that public transport is that bad in Perth, it might be more constructive to focus on that instead of wildly claiming that the shut down of 1 road is the be all and end all of Perth.

Perhaps it wont. Perhaps it will.

I wonder if they can "afford" to sink the road rather than completely divert it ...

^In terms of Riverside Drive, have you had a look at the fly-through AnotherWorld?

The waterfront looks like a great design, attractive...a great addition to the city :-)

Thanks for reminding me. I have now.

I am still concerned about traffic flow. What is the plan to improve it in Perth? The light rail is a concept only. I foresee the extra tunnel lane openings to be permanent (rather than during construction only) which is a good thing. One way roads in the city are generally all becoming two way. Havent heard for a better managed public transport system yet. Perth underground train stations get packed to capacity with seemingly no room for expansion. It is all slightly narrow in vision...just like the refusal to sink the train lines more than two blocks.

The Government is currently working on (sitting on) a Perth Transport Masterplan which is supposed to plan out to 2031.

That plan should include provision for light rail, train line extensions (I highly doubt any new lines except for an airport spur line) and express bus routes.

It remains to be seen to what extent this plan will be any good though. It is a Liberal Government after all. They have been making all the right noises about the need for PT and a light rail system though, and WA isn't short of cash.

I am still concerned about traffic flow. What is the plan to improve it in Perth? The light rail is a concept only. I foresee the extra tunnel lane openings to be permanent (rather than during construction only) which is a good thing. One way roads in the city are generally all becoming two way. Havent heard for a better managed public transport system yet. Perth underground train stations get packed to capacity with seemingly no room for expansion. It is all slightly narrow in vision...just like the refusal to sink the train lines more than two blocks.

What's any of this got to do with the Waterfront plan?

I don't see a diversion of Riverside Dr causing any major traffic chaos. It just isn't a critical road link any more.

And in any case, I'd rather have the waterfront, rather than what you consider to be good traffic flow.

I don't see a diversion of Riverside Dr causing any major traffic chaos. It just isn't a critical road link any more.

And in any case, I'd rather have the waterfront, rather than what you consider to be good traffic flow.

It isn't a critical road link anymore.... right so this is the basis of my question. You take away a critical road link and you are left with...?

Yes I would prefer something other than a big lawn in front of the city... anything to be honest. Except a rent-try-buy ferris wheel. Or another thing with bells in it.

PS: I am not a fan of Perth, in any sense and hold little hope for it to develop into a real city. Now we have established my mentality and why I am critical of anything that happens.

Oh on a flip side, putting significant buildings on that plot of land will probably put an end to planes landing on Kings (?) Park during the Red Bull Air Races, assuming they will return to Perth.

The planes land on Langley Park in East Perth, not Kings Park.
And this plot of land is not Kings Park either.

I see it as one giant transportation disaster especially considering the poor state of the current public transport system in Perth; during and after construction.

It is all slightly narrow in vision...just like the refusal to sink the train lines more than two blocks.


PS: I am not a fan of Perth, in any sense and hold little hope for it to develop into a real city. Now we have established my mentality and why I am critical of anything that happens.


You have 5 whole comments and they are all in this thread...
Did you seriously just join SCC to troll Perth's new waterfront plan, how very sad.

PS: I am not a fan of Perth, in any sense and hold little hope for it to develop into a real city. Now we have established my mentality and why I am critical of anything that happens.

How can this ever be a valid statement? In any situation.

How can this ever be a valid statement? In any situation.

When you have been hurt by people in the past.
In primary school, in high school and in the workplace...
even by the family.
That is how that statement becomes valid.

You have 5 whole comments and they are all in this thread...
Did you seriously just join SCC to troll Perth's new waterfront plan, how very sad.

Nope. I wanted to hear what people had to say about this development outside the highly intelligent perthnow.com.au story commenters.

How can this ever be a valid statement? In any situation.

Sorry. I meant to say "critical of any proposed developments in Perth".

When you have been hurt by people in the past.
In primary school, in high school and in the workplace...
even by the family.
That is how that statement becomes valid.

LOL

It isn't a critical road link anymore.... right so this is the basis of my question. You take away a critical road link and you are left with...?

I'm saying that the significance of Riverside Dr as a cross-city link has diminished over time. Nothing to do with 'taking away' a road link.

Wow this looks like quite an extravagant development and about time too that Perth started to join the big time like our other 3 bigger cities. I would rather 5 100-150m commercial and resi towers than 2 or 3 big arse ones as it would just totally dwarf the area and be out of context with the promenade. Not to mention there is no demand for another 250m one in the foreseeable future. I like those sized towers on the riverside with the three big 200+ towers dominating a little further in the background. Perth is doing pretty well anyway with the tallest office tower in the country U/C

Oh on a flip side, putting significant buildings on that plot of land will probably put an end to planes landing on Kings (?) Park during the Red Bull Air Races, assuming they will return to Perth.

Not Kings Park - it is Langley Park which is a huge bit of lawn a distance to the east of the Foreshore development. If the Red Bull even comes back (doubtful) they will still be able to use it.

Nope. I wanted to hear what people had to say about this development outside the highly intelligent perthnow.com.au story commenters.

hahahahahaha.
Glad to see we have something incommon.

Perthnow is made up of ignorant NIMBYs who don't know shit about development as a community, state or country. And disprove of any development and progress whatsoever

(basically just described a NIMBY anyway lol -.-)

Perth is full of people who are followers.
They listen to almost anything the media says, and they try to be smart without really thinking about it.

Prime example is when everyone was complaining that we need more hospitals and schools, they were trying to be all smart and trying to say "fuck yeh, look at me, I care about public health and future generations education, they are the main factors, and I'm smart for thinking that."

Little do they know the government has spent a fuck load of money on schools and hospitals already, its time to build up our tourism infrastructure and our transport infrastructure for once. (Foreshore and Link)

Ok, I donno where I was going with that...
So basically everyone intelligent is for this foreshore plan.
As you would of seen all the agencies and organisations approving it.

Its just the ignorant general public that don't approve.
And some people on here, but at least they have legit excuses to not approve of it. :)

Wow! It looks incredible.

Who cares about the friggin traffic while it's being built....
Bring it on...looks amazing.

^ Yeah, how stupid has that traffic argument been!

how much of the renders is fact and how much is concept?

The water and roads are fact. The rest is concept.

Basically the Government will do all the site works and then sell off the development lots to private developers.

The planning guidelines for the towers will be approximately 2-1 residential-office

hmmmmm. The concept images remind me of the concepts for docklands in the 1990's. Id expect youll get a far more watered down and practical version. Lets just hope for some architectural stunners in there.

hmmmmm. The concept images remind me of the concepts for docklands in the 1990's. Id expect youll get a far more watered down and practical version. Lets just hope for some architectural stunners in there.

Yeah it looks like an ARM masterplan:)

It will definately be up to the developers to deliver, which can only be guided so much by the Government. Thats the issue with such developments, but its the only way it can be done in a timely manner.

UNDECIDED about whether I like the plans or not? Perth needs something to bring it alive, I hope finished product does it. I live in Mandurah and dont go to Perth bec there is nothing that attracts me, I go to freo for the ambience, and history. Given they destroyed most of Perth's history, they have to create an ambience, which is not always easy to manufacture?? I hope it works!!!!!!! I think its WA's environment, climate and coast (Rotto, MRiver, Coral Coast, Kimberley, Pilbara, Karajini, Esperance etc which have the magic, we dont quite seem to have the urban magic, freo is closest for me. The whole Dubai concept of manufacturing a magical city has it worked?? MY navy mate, who done a recent stint near Dubai said he hated Dubai and all the sailors hated it also, they love the old historic ports and towns?

Nope. I wanted to hear what people had to say about this development outside the highly intelligent perthnow.com.au story commenters.

Real Cities have traffic problems. Perth is obviously not a real city as we don't have real traffic issues. I can drive from Leederville to my parents place in the Hills in 45 minutes in peak hour traffic, that's some 40km and it's not even close to free-way grade.

I don't doubt that we will need a better link from Stirling highway to the Causeway, I'm not convinced that the traffic is going to be that bad during and shortly after construction. Come back in 2030 and I'm sure that might be different.

This development will make driving from mounts bay road to the grand farmer freeway allot more attractive for those heading east/ west across the city.

UNDECIDED about whether I like the plans or not? Perth needs something to bring it alive, I hope finished product does it. I live in Mandurah and dont go to Perth bec there is nothing that attracts me, I go to freo for the ambience, and history. Given they destroyed most of Perth's history, they have to create an ambience, which is not always easy to manufacture?? I hope it works!!!!!!! I think its WA's environment, climate and coast (Rotto, MRiver, Coral Coast, Kimberley, Pilbara, Karajini, Esperance etc which have the magic, we dont quite seem to have the urban magic, freo is closest for me. The whole Dubai concept of manufacturing a magical city has it worked?? MY navy mate, who done a recent stint near Dubai said he hated Dubai and all the sailors hated it also, they love the old historic ports and towns?


I won't argue that Perth City lacks real character. Given we have destroyed the majority of our historic buildings, modernity is still going to be the solution even though it was once the problem. Unfortunately we haven't seen enough high quality designs or good finishing on most of our modern buildings.

The city has improved dramatically over the last decade and we are seeing better buildings.

Labors original "concept".
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6173/perthuj5.jpg

Labors first serious concept:
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200802/r223859_884683.jpg

First scheme under the Liberal Government:
http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/imagedb/983

Current version of the development:
http://online.planning.wa.gov.au/waterfront/waterfront2.jpg

^^Thankz.
:)
Interesting

Stating the obvious with the so called traffic issue.

During construction, riverside drive is blocked. After construction, Riverside drive is not replaced. Am I missing something? In other words, the traffic management plan is simply brought ahead due to this project but instead it impacts immediately. That is, at the beginning of the project. After the project is finished, there will be no road in place that will mange 30k cars a day.

This project always had a consequence for traffic. Why? Because Riverside Drive played a big part in stopping the city's connection to the water. The idea of this project is to provide a "connection" to the water. Hence no 30k/day road.

They may choose to sink Riverside drive under eventually but previous studies and expert opinion have held the view that this is wasteful.

Its a very nice looking design. I just don't like how they are kind of ditching the existing cbd and building something really flash and for sure, knowing perth, making it the new focal point for the city. If you look at the design, it doesn't really fit into the cbd as a whole. Its like if they took a bit of dubai and threw it into perth.

^Oh yeah its Dubai, the tallest building will be 160meters, or around there...
Its hardly Dubai.

but its not ditching the excisting CBD,
It just making a area for tourists or visiters to the CBD, which really Perth doesnt have.

The labor concept looked much better, shame.

Me feels Barangaroo 2.0 argument coming on for Perthites/ians/ers

Its not ditching the CBD, its connecting the CBD to the Foreshore.

:dance2: Don’t wish to be Mr negative but I am assuming there will need to be a substantial injection of private investment especially building nine towers.

The project construction will be over 10-15yr’s that’s if it gets off the ground :fart:

Brisbane's Southbank took years and years. The building heights are nothing to speak of.... Yet the precinct is a great success.

Don't rate something like this by years and heights.

http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/default.aspx

The Perth Waterfront is an important step in the evolution of our capital city from a largely functional centre of commerce and trade, to a more diverse, international centre of living, culture, creativity, learning, entertainment and business.

Perth was built on the banks of the Swan River but has progressively been pushed away from its shoreline to make way for roads, car parks and vast areas of open space. The unintended consequence is a city that is both physically and psychologically separate from its river.

It is this condition that has led city planners, urban designers and governments to search for ways to re-establish the connection that Perth once had with the Swan River.

The masterplan achieves this objective in the strongest yet simplest way by extending the existing grid of the city towards the river, while at the same time bringing the water into the foot of the city.

The result will be an exciting new waterfront that is a seamless extension of the city to the river; with a range of rich and stimulating new public spaces for the enjoyment of locals and visitors. Both sophisticated and relaxed, the Waterfront will be a showcase of high architectural quality and design, and will provide an opportunity to celebrate Indigenous culture in one of the State's most iconic settings.

To realise this vision, the State Government has confirmed funding for capital works to enable the commencement of project construction in early 2012.

Project delivery; The project is being delivered in six inter-dependent phases:

Phase 1
Description; Concept master-planning and preliminary business case. Due; Mar 2010. Status; Complete.

Phase 2
Preliminary design, technical investigations and feasibility analysis. Due; Dec 2010. Status; Complete.

Phase 3
Detailed documentation, statutory approvals, public works procurement, and marketing and sale of development sites. Due; Feb 2012. Status; This phase.

Phase 4
Public works construction and creation of development sites. Due; Apr 2012. Status; Future phase.

Phase 5
Staged construction of built form by the private sector. Due; 2013-2022.

Phase 6
Ongoing program of dedicated place management and maintenance.

The State Government will apply a Government Master Developer approach to delivery of the Perth Waterfront, which will see Government assume responsibility for the planning and delivery of public infrastructure, while simultaneously procuring private sector partners to deliver the built form.

Site preparatory works will commence in late 2011 following the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting, with construction works commencing in early 2012.

Perth Waterfront will deliver a mix of office, commercial, residential, retail, tourism and cultural development.


Plans and policies

The Western Australian Planning Commission (WAPC) is continually planning to make Western Australia a great place to work, live and visit. Integral to this is fine tuning plans and policies to make them more relevant to the changing environment and the challenges we face as our population grows.

Western Australia’s recent wave of economic good fortune has prompted the State Government to commit to a planning system that will allow the State to accommodate future growth effectively.

We have been able to establish our identity in the international arena, reinforced by our economic buoyancy and valuable resource sector. This state is now in a unique position to heed the lessons learned from others and build policies and plans to take us into the next two decades and beyond.
:banana:

Its a very nice looking design. I just don't like how they are kind of ditching the existing cbd and building something really flash and for sure, knowing perth, making it the new focal point for the city. If you look at the design, it doesn't really fit into the cbd as a whole. Its like if they took a bit of dubai and threw it into perth.

they are doing huge upgrades to the CBD as we type.

St Georges Tce is a construction zone right now, new bars and restuarants opening in the CBD area, perth train station entrance and wellington st upgrades, BHP/City Square development, laneways being upgraded, perth arena area and northbridge link, sinking rail lines etc... lots of retail thats been pumped into the CBD with one40 above the underground station, raine sq, ennex100, wesley qtr precincts. The developments in the "current" CBD are/have been changing the city in pretty big ways.

its not simply forgetting the cbd and building this.

Sorry to change the subject a bit but what lines are being sunk?

Sorry to change the subject a bit but lines are being sunk?

http://www.epra.wa.gov.au/Projects/Perth-City-Link/

http://www.perthcitylink.wa.gov.au/

I'll change the thread title to include the PCL.

Sorry to change the subject a bit but lines are being sunk?

the joondalup and mandurah lines were sunk for the city underground and esplanade stations, next is sinking the bus station then some or all of the main train station as far as i know, or freo line(?) not sure of the details. Its all to do with Perth city link, freeing up land to be developed on and connect the city to northbridge.

I like what I see. :)

For comparison, ARM's concept for Melbourne's Docklands ~ 1990s.

http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/private/DocklandsARM.jpg

Perth's Waterfront proposal.

http://online.planning.wa.gov.au/waterfront/waterfront2.jpg

Something I noticed was that they are planning to copy Melbourne's Webb Bridge seen below.

http://www.thecollectormm.com.au/gallery/photography/City/slides/Yarra'sEdge3.jpg
My own photo from my website.

Out of curiosity how is The Docklands? I've heard some negative things about it? I'm a bit concerned our waterfront might not turn out as expected.

But then Melbourne has a lot more going on in the urban environment so it is quite possible for a development to miss the makr while Perth really needs something like this.

Docklands is a slightly bit bigger, to compare the two is just silly

Perth is full of people who are followers.
They listen to almost anything the media says, and they try to be smart without really thinking about it.

Prime example is when everyone was complaining that we need more hospitals and schools, they were trying to be all smart and trying to say "fuck yeh, look at me, I care about public health and future generations education, they are the main factors, and I'm smart for thinking that."

Little do they know the government has spent a fuck load of money on schools and hospitals already, its time to build up our tourism infrastructure and our transport infrastructure for once. (Foreshore and Link)

It's mostly the older generation, the majority of the young people who I showed this love it, and the older generation just crap on about not having enough parks (because 5800 isn't enough) - or crap on about hospital (Fiona Whositwhatsit?!?) - or schools (BER? Wasn't that the disaster Today Tonight told me about?!?)

There are a decent amount of older people who like Perth evolving into a large city, but the vast majority of them want their parks and no buildings over 2 storey.

I can't remember who said it in the other thread about this, but there is more to do in a city than get sick and learn about shit.

^^ Lol! Melbourne's Docklands is way, way bigger!
Like many new developments, it has good and average architecture, has been tweaked a couple of times and is still roughly midway through its development.
Those that criticize are generally the same people who hate modern architecture, apartments and fear change.

^I was being sarcastic when I said slightly :)

Also, Perth Waterfront aswell as PCL will have extremely strict design rules
Theres alot less buildings, so it'll probably be easier

I like the proposal. It looks as if they are bringing the waterfront closer to the city (I think) which is a good idea and it doesnt need uber tall buildings. Where is that cable car going to - Kings Park lookout???

^I was being sarcastic when I said slightly :)

Also, Perth Waterfront aswell as PCL will have extremely strict design rules
Theres alot less buildings, so it'll probably be easier

Forgetting this?

http://www.epra.wa.gov.au/Images/Image-Gallery/Riverside/Riverside-3D-view-west.jpg?width=430&height=340&scale_mode=s

It's going to take substantial private investment to get these three projects completed over the next 15-20 years, i can't see these being developed at the expense of East Perth development but it will certainly drain the demand for commercial space on St Georges.

Where is that cable car going to - Kings Park lookout???

yeah up to kings park, if it happens. I dont think it would be the main lookout though, theyd build some sort of raised building so the cables are a bit steeper. It would be a bit of a novelty seeing people in cable cars going over the freeway traffic :laugh:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/706/ccar.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/i/ccar.jpg/)

The Liberals have done a good job refining it. I have noticed that the buildings are not so bulky either and that enhances the plan. There is a good balance of density as well. The previous Liberal plan had buildings that looked too cluttered.

Interesting to note how each block will be sold off to individual developers. Lets see what they come up with compared to Barangaroo which has the one developer building each tower.

Out of curiosity how is The Docklands? I've heard some negative things about it? I'm a bit concerned our waterfront might not turn out as expected.

But then Melbourne has a lot more going on in the urban environment so it is quite possible for a development to miss the makr while Perth really needs something like this.

Pretty average area. Building a gigantic Costco hasn't really helped things, especially as it seems to draw in the dregs from the suburbs. I imagine the Perth Waterfront will turn out better.

The cable car is a good idea. I hope it goes ahead.

'dregs from the suburbs' You sound like an upper class pom.

Pretty average area. Building a gigantic Costco hasn't really helped things, especially as it seems to draw in the dregs from the suburbs. I imagine the Perth Waterfront will turn out better.

The cable car is a good idea. I hope it goes ahead.
Both Liberal and Labor's plan had cable cars. Strong chance it will go ahead.

Both Liberal and Labor's plan had cable cars. Strong chance it will go ahead.

The cable car to Kings Park will be privately owned and operated, it'll only happen if a company wants to come here and build it :)

anybody know any good cable car companies? :laugh:

The more I look at the current location of the cable car 'station' (?) the more I think it should continue across the mouth of the inlet, and actually go to the roof of a building, similar to the cable car to/from Sentosa in Singapore. Might make it a bit more interesting?

The original waterfront proposal was way better..

This looks like a Lilliput Miniatures Town, there should be a couple of 200m buildings on the waterfront including a tall hotel.

^^ Lol! Melbourne's Docklands is way, way bigger!
Like many new developments, it has good and average architecture, has been tweaked a couple of times and is still roughly midway through its development.
Those that criticize are generally the same people who hate modern architecture, apartments and fear change.

Barangaroo BANANAs said Barangaroo will turn out just like Docklands (Lend Lease projects) and even flew to Melbourne to interview people at Docklands and showed all the responses of people that hate/dislike the place for what it is. The video is up on youtube.

The original waterfront proposal was way better..

This looks like a Lilliput Miniatures Town, there should be a couple of 200m buildings on the waterfront including a tall hotel.

Why would we need 200meter buildings on the Waterfront?
The staircase effect from the river up to the core CBD I much prefer.

The old waterfront would have been the same as this, land would of been sold of the private developers.
So there is really no difference apart from the inlet

The original waterfront proposal was way better..

This looks like a Lilliput Miniatures Town, there should be a couple of 200m buildings on the waterfront including a tall hotel.

But..... Perth doesn't have the demand for a Barangaroo sized project. Only way you would get 200m towers there is to leave it to private developers and wait years/decades.
Take your pick, several small towers or one 200m.

I just don't like how they are kind of ditching the existing cbd and building something really flash and for sure, knowing perth, making it the new focal point for the city.

Why, when has perth 'ditched' an area for a newer one before??:hammer:

Why would we need 200meter buildings on the Waterfront?
The staircase effect from the river up to the core CBD I much prefer.

The old waterfront would have been the same as this, land would of been sold of the private developers.
So there is really no difference apart from the inlet

100% agree.
Even thought I love giant towers, in my home town I rather things that look good, and the staircase effect will work much better in perth...plus I doubt we have the demand for a few 200m towers lol...

There are very few cities of under 3 million in the world which even have three 200m+ buildings.

Its a very nice looking design. I just don't like how they are kind of ditching the existing cbd and building something really flash and for sure, knowing perth, making it the new focal point for the city. If you look at the design, it doesn't really fit into the cbd as a whole. Its like if they took a bit of dubai and threw it into perth.

You do realise this is an "impression" or conceptual depiction?

And to be honest, the constant reference to Dubai is old. It's simply hyperbole and displays a critical misrepresentation of the entire project. It's unfounded.

Barangaroo BANANAs said Barangaroo will turn out just like Docklands (Lend Lease projects) and even flew to Melbourne to interview people at Docklands and showed all the responses of people that hate/dislike the place for what it is. The video is up on youtube.

That crap video is set way out at the front of the film studios in the most desolate part of Docklands and not anywhere near Victoria Harbour (Lend Lease), not that you would know!!
And plus you of all people should know that even if there was any positive remarks of Docklands by any of those interviewes do you think BAG would allow any of that to upload onto their crap video ? No, it would defeat the purpose of there campaign would'nt it !!? :bash:

Good one Perth, the city will once and for all have a real 3D skyline :banana:

^^

That wasn't a swipe at Docklands, it was just meant to show the lengths to which the BANANAs have gone to try to derail the project at Barangaroo. Obviously they weren't going to show people who think Docklands is good :nuts:

And me saying that they are Lend Lease projects is what the BANANAs said in their video.

Where you drunk when you wrote that or something?

^^


Where you drunk when you wrote that or something?

Not drunk just punched drunk, a side affect of insomnia and no sleep for 48 hours.
Sorry if i came across in my response like a spoilt prat, it was not my intension :)

Hi Guys
Its my very first post on side of the globe. I need some information about your city and thats gonna be a little off topic. Hope that you don't mind and help me. I come from Gdynia, Poland where since 2008 we started development of highrisers and entire waterfront from the scratch. My question is: How does URBAN PLANNING in your city practicly influence development. In my city - which i consider sick - when you have a private land in downtown you have to follow city's restricitions concerning hight (set number of floors), type of services or trades, and I don't mean production. In practice the city council sets what kind of building (cinema, hotel, club, shoppping centre) can stand on a particular property. The owner in practice can practicly give the money out for a kind of project and not always choose it's shape or form -there are cases where a public contest is being held were jury is set of city council etc + investor. How is ot in your place?

Thank you so much for any answers.

Umm, I'm sure someone else knows more about this, but yes. Sydney has zoning, that is plots of land declared to be for residential, commercial, retail, industrial etc, as far as I know they do not go as far as specifying what type fo retail, ie cinema, hotel, shopping centre, although car parks are treated differently.
Also, height restrictions are on a per street basis and we hate them, they limit Sydney to 230m, some blocks even less.
Developers have to submit designs to the local council, which can request changes or entirely refuse approval, citizens are allowed to submit comments and their own recommendations and opinions on the project to the council as well.

The state planning department has released more info on the individual sites of the Perth Waterfront project.

http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Plans+and+policies/Metropolitan+planning/Perth+Waterfront/Indicative+site+plans/Default.aspx

Site 1- Museum
Site 2- 20st, Res, ~80m
Site 3- 25st, Res, ~100m
Site 4, 40st, Com, ~170-200m
Site 5, 37st, Com, ~160-190m
Site 6, 37st, Res, ~130-150m
Site 7, 34st, Res, ~120-140m
Site 8, 34st, Com, ~140-160m
Site 9, 22st, Res, ~80m
Site 10, 21st, Res, ~80m
Site 11, 4st, Hotel (very disaapointing that this is the only hotel development envisaged for the waterfront).

^^ That sounds even better than barangaroo in sydney :) Go perth :)

Let's hope it goes ahead! Sounds promising.

The state planning department has released more info on the individual sites of the Perth Waterfront project.

http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Plans+and+policies/Metropolitan+planning/Perth+Waterfront/Indicative+site+plans/Default.aspx

Site 1- Museum
Site 2- 20st, Res, ~80m
Site 3- 25st, Res, ~100m
Site 4, 40st, Com, ~170-200m
Site 5, 37st, Com, ~160-190m
Site 6, 37st, Res, ~130-150m
Site 7, 34st, Res, ~120-140m
Site 8, 34st, Com, ~140-160m
Site 9, 22st, Res, ~80m
Site 10, 21st, Res, ~80m
Site 11, 4st, Hotel (very disaapointing that this is the only hotel development envisaged for the waterfront).

bump!

I've always been worried about the traffic issue. I was one of the people who wanted to make riverside drive into a viaduct (bridge) over multiple inlets. As it is I think South Perth will see an increase in traffic as a result.


Stating the obvious with the so called traffic issue.

During construction, riverside drive is blocked. After construction, Riverside drive is not replaced. Am I missing something? In other words, the traffic management plan is simply brought ahead due to this project but instead it impacts immediately. That is, at the beginning of the project. After the project is finished, there will be no road in place that will mange 30k cars a day.

This project always had a consequence for traffic. Why? Because Riverside Drive played a big part in stopping the city's connection to the water. The idea of this project is to provide a "connection" to the water. Hence no 30k/day road.

They may choose to sink Riverside drive under eventually but previous studies and expert opinion have held the view that this is wasteful.

...just so you don't feel like you've opened this thread for nothing, work has well and truly begun on the Perth Link project.

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