Grand Launch of neo200 on spencer
200 Spencer Street, Melbourne 3000
on Sunday 19 September.

See page 17 of the Domain section of The Age (www.theage.com.au)

It looks to be a 35 - 45 storey building with an ugly 8 level podium car park. Its on a corner and may be the site next to the old Mail Exchange.

Great find Marky Mark . :bash:

http://www.melbournephotos.net/misc/neo200.jpg
I just like scanning things.

Is Melbourne over spoilt with large develoments ? Looks like there is a chance of this being built within the next couple of years and its like yawn , not too bad ,75 views and a couple of comments ,if this was in Perth or Adelaide members would be changing theirs undies by now ! :bash:

Beef it up Melbourne.

,if this was in Perth or Adelaide members would be changing theirs undies by now ! :bash:
lol

41 levels, 372 apartments, I don't think anyone has seen the plans yet so no height, probably 120-130m.

There was an article about this one posted in one of the other threads. The application was submitted on 18 June, It was approved on the 26 August and they are selling already.

Hard to tell from that render but looks pretty ordinary, doesn't look as good as the old design, even though it's taller.

Haha! I thought because of the name it was going to be 200 metres. Looks like I'll have to go retract a statement in another forum.

Haha! I thought because of the name it was going to be 200 metres. Looks like I'll have to go retract a statement in another forum.

:hilarious :)

If you saw anyone saw Capital Gain, Imperium site is rumoured to be up for sale again.

:banana:

thanks for posting / spamming Dan.

looks, bleh =/
What was the old design?

I think the design is very boring, but I would live with it if the podium car park was gone!

Its a good match for spencer st though.
I'm sick of ugly apartment towers. So many of them.

crap design, nuff said.

Thats a sooo true ! i am also sick of ugly apartment blocks ! Although i wouldn't say this one is ugly ! its better than most !

However , they should all be of the quality of Watergate in Docklands ! hehe !

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

^^ Sorry to say Blabby, but im starting to get sick of the attitude. It really seems like you hate the world dude.( in the other thread u said FWP has nothing goin for it- no design , no height) i mean what's with that champ. there'll b 3 towers all over 500ft within a few meters of each other.

Considering that the current carpark is an eyesore and the old Mail exchange could do with a clean up, i think it'll be a 1000 times better than what we've got there now.

spoilt indeed

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Imperium site has a new sold sign on it, drove past last night. THis is such a cool new buidling.

this sounds all too familiar

372 apartments over about 35 levels, thats about 11 per floor. Verve has about 300 apartments and is 20-30m taller. 200 Spencer site is so small and by the render the tower proper is 1/2 size of the site = dog box apartments. seems to be another Greenwich Village in the making for mine....this will be the real acid test for inner-city apartments.

i'll guess and say Urban Design Architects had a hand in this one, very generic in style

For convenience and transport it's a location that can't be beaten - assuming you like city life, and the west and SW views over Spencer Street station should be pretty safe for a few years. It's interesting though that they think they can make money doing this at prices a little lower than the most recent CE developments given that CE have not tried to market a CBD tower for 18 months or so. There's 9? storey block just to the east of this site that is already all but lost under CE's City Point and once this is built I suspect the units there will be seriously hard to resell.

http://www.estateproperties.com.au/properties/spencer

They're quoting June 2007 settlement which suggests a fairly relaxed timetable ... or they think it will take a long time to sell the requisite number off-plan

http://www.estateproperties.com.au/image/4350x500y400.jpg

^^ Sorry to say Blabby, but im starting to get sick of the attitude. It really seems like you hate the world dude.( in the other thread u said FWP has nothing goin for it- no design , no height) i mean what's with that champ. there'll b 3 towers all over 500ft within a few meters of each other.

spoilt indeed

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne
Maybe I am "spoilt indeed". Nay, I am. But read the other posts in this thread...I think the common thread going here is everyone's collective "yawn". Look through the thread again - go on - look who had negative comments to say about the tower: AussieSteve, Grollo, Dandaman, Silvermb, Lozza, Drunkill - that's almost everyone who posted on the thread! :D

Re FWP resitower - I later on acknowledged that I made a mistake re the height - it will add height and for that I'm thankful. I thought for a moment that both resitowers were reduced in height, which is of course not true.

Re the FWP design - if it excites you, good for you. But it don't excite me too much now that I see it's not looking anything like the render. Come to think of it, the render didn't look like much either because nobody could work out what the render was meant to depict from the ludicrous front-on perspective view. It's just a square tower with a curvy bit sticking out the side. Look, it's not Republic Tower, issit? Next thing, you're going to tell me that Concept Blue looks as good as it's render - but IMHO it looks like a glorified Central Equity project! And let's all get excited about EY@HWT...oooh, it's a square box on stilts! So innovative and distinctive that it would fit right into the London Docklands skyline! Look, I know you love Watergate, and I concede, its form from a distance is good - but hey hey, you gotta love those balconies! :tongue:

That's OK mate - I still love you! :kiss: :D

http://afr.com/premium/articles/2004/09/22/1095651391763.html [Premium]
Estate makes first foray into Melbourne CBD
Fiona Tyndall and Nicole Lindsay
23 September 2004

Sydney-based residential developer Estate Properties of Australia has launched its first Melbourne project in the struggling CBD market.

Melbourne's CBD and surrounding suburbs have experienced a cooling in off-the-plan sales to investors due to the spike in supply.

The 41-level, $180 million apartment tower is one of only a handful of new projects announced in Melbourne in the past year and will feature 371 residential apartments plus food and retail premises.

Across the railway tracks from Docklands, the Spencer Street project dubbed Neo200 on Spencer will sit in front of the Stadium Apartments and close to the Central Equity-owned Bourke View Apartments and City Point on Bourke apartments.

Once on the fringe of Melbourne's CBD, Spencer Street could become the centre of the expanded city centre created by the 200-hectare, $8 billion Docklands project.

But it still retains its industrial edge and local developers have regarded the strip as a risky investment.

The Estate Properties site is next door to the highly contaminated Melbourne Power Station, where a much-touted apartment development was recently abandoned. It is a block away from the premises of The Age newspaper, where publisher Fairfax plans a commercial development. Fairfax also publishes The Australian Financial Review.

Estate Properties spokesman Scott Boyd was unconcerned by the site's proximity to the extensive residential development at Docklands and said there was strong interest from buyers.

The company had been searching for suitable development opportunities in Melbourne for some time and believed the Spencer Street site offered enormous potential, Mr Boyd said.

"We see definite opportunity in being there and being in the CBD as opposed to being just another development at Docklands itself," Mr Boyd said.

But the area has seen a flood of apartments in recent years.

According to the head of property research at Macquarie Bank, Rod Cornish, by the end of the year there will be 1550 apartments in Docklands.

"When you think of how many apartments there are in Melbourne it is a quite small percentage, but in that area it has built up very quickly and you can't expect projects that build up in a small area to take up all that supply straight away," Mr Cornish said.

He said because investor demand had cooled, off-the-plan sales in the area had slowed.

By the end of the year, Mr Cornish said there would be 21,500 apartments in inner Melbourne, an area encompassing the CBD, St Kilda, Docklands, Port Melbourne, Southbank and South Melbourne.

Estate Properties bought the development site last year and has since acquired a second Melbourne property at 55 Queens Road, which also will be a residential development.

trust a Sydney based company to build anoyther apartment tower in melbourne! lol

^^ :? Not sure of the innuendo however...

^ it means why cant we (Sydney) get the 40storey tower instead of melb? lol
we need more 40storey towers not 15storeys excuses!!

^^ '15 storey excuses'.. lol that's gold Cul.

are we feeling a little left out boys??

so at 41 levels, what do u reckong on the height, about 130-135m with plant levels etc.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

i reckon 130m? ill endeavour to find out height. who are architects? ive rang estate properties but they havent a clue? lol

i contacted DOI today to enquire about height of 200spencer. They gave me the name of the planner that delt with the DA submission and to ring back next wednesday for official height.so next wed ill post the height.
watch this space>

@ Dean. I'm shocked. I thought you were above that kind of thing. (I wanna see other Aussie cities grow) :no:

@ CULWULLA. I don't believe Estate Properties didn't know the architect. Of course they would. You must have got the office slacko.

i reckon 130m? ill endeavour to find out height. who are architects? ive rang estate properties but they havent a clue? lol

Just spoke with the architects Hayball Leonard Stent in Melbourne and was informed that the height above ground will be 126m (RL 136.6m to top of roof feature and RL 132.8m to top of tower component).

Was also informed by Estate Properties in Sydney that construction should commence just b4 Xmas and anticipated completion around mid to late-2007.

They also informed me that the ground level will consist of retail and that the 7 levels of parking just above will be clad in a "burnished bronze look" - nice!!

BTW neo200 is being marketed in the Sydney press.

A render of the foyer area:

______________________http://www.estateproperties.com.au/image/4390x400y320.jpg

To read more about ammenities etc., go to neo200 on spencer (http://www.estateproperties.com.au/properties/spencer)

excellent thanks muse!! i was close! saved me a phone call.
so another 400footer for melb!

ill update ss.com!
cheers

yeah, so we were on the money at around 130m. I did read somewhere that apts were selling well so i guess if its starting up b4 xmas then they must have their 60-70% sales in the bag. another quiet achiever like Verve.

Hey Muse, u didnt happen to ask if the development includes a refurb of the old mail exchange next door.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Deano, if you mean the 1913-17 Former Mail Exchange Building, it will not be part of neo200. It's address is 164 Spencer St and it's on the corner of Bourke 'n Spencer whereas neo200 is on the cnr of Little Bourke 'n Spencer.

However, the old exchange is getting a makeover to become modern offices.

http://www.walkingmelbourne.com/images/mailexchange.jpg

Map indicating neo200 on spencer from the link I provided above:

http://www.estateproperties.com.au/image/4391x700y560.jpg

While acknowledging that this in an improvement on what is currently there......the render should be the absolute best the artist could come up with given the design.............if that's the case and the render is just plain dull.............then logic dictates that the real thing.............is not going to be an example of cutting edge 2004 design.............but a dull block of brown flats!

Cheers,

Adam

Last I heard the Old Mail exchange was being converted into self storage units.

Last I heard the Old Mail exchange was being converted into self storage units.Well that's what the architects of neo200 on spencer, Hayball Leonard Stent told me ie it's being converted into modern offices as they have close liasion with the makeover developers.

:dunno:

Well that's good news, the previous owners got a permit late last year for the self storage conversion which would have been a complete waste of great building.

i contacted DOI today to enquire about height of 200spencer. They gave me the name of the planner that delt with the DA submission and to ring back next wednesday for official height.so next wed ill post the height.
watch this space>
I contacted planner today and she gave heights as-
PLANTROOM-137.8MRL
GRO FLOOR-9.8MRL
TOTAL -128M
muse- a tad higher then your stats. weird hey?

I was walking past the dispaly suit on St Kilda Rd over the weekend and had to walk in and have a look. The tower isn't all that exciting (I hate the podium car park) but it does have height. 41 stories is very tall. For the life of me I don't remember how many they had sold, but its an ok project. It will have great views over the Docklands.

I contacted planner today and she gave heights as-
PLANTROOM-137.8MRL
GRO FLOOR-9.8MRL
TOTAL -128M
muse- a tad higher then your stats. weird hey?

That happens a lot, sometimes they leave offf platrooms or small features at the top of buildings on some elevations so just looking at one elevation you wouldn't know it was there but it will be included on the cross section or something.

Hard to tell, if this building nice or not. Force perspective drawings (or rendering) exaggerates or distorts everythings

Today is the first time I've seen the new sign up at the site. From the render at http://estateproperties.com.au/properties/spencer it doesn't look too bad. Couldn't be much worse than what is there now - absolutely nothing!

neo200 resembles a construction site now. hoardings, portables, surveyors and all the rest. now for the piling rigs

everybody poo-poo's the market and it still delivers, pity its such a shit tower although i've seen a render which shows a different colour scheme - a little more interesting than what we've seen to date. i guess its worth will depend upon the finishes, if the balconies are glass, the podium is bronze and the colours are right, it'll be a acceptable if you walk past during the dead of night

great, one less hole in the West End.

:banana:

reckon it'll be visible [eventually] from down here?

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/tours/smel/smel16.jpg

actually, it's massive:

http://www.estateproperties.com.au/image/4587x500y400.jpg

lol, silvermb was talking about how they're dogbox apartments, check out the floorplans (http://www.estateproperties.com.au/properties/spencer/floorplans) (Type 13-1bed) - the balcony's almost as big as the flat?? :lol:

They have sold well over 100 appts, and are financing the construction themselves so they will begin b4 the end of the first quarter of 2005, so this thing is certain to go up.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Also this Sydney based co. owns a plot of land on Queens Rd down near gateway with a lovely old victorian mansion on it... They plan to restore the mansion and build a midrise tower next to it soon(15-20 levels from memory)

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Well I guess this will have quite a few other developers in Melbourne wondering what they are doing wrong. They certainly have stuck it right up the doomsayers. Next stop on Spencer Street ... Savoy Tower :-)

Dean, from memory, there is no other mansion down Queens Rd near the Junction that is available for development.

Grovesnor Place, 55 Queens rd
site has been excavated for years and perimiter piles in place so the site is ready to go. just a matter of which design Estate Properties will go with

^^ yes there is... it's rather hidden though, but it's there.

They bought it a while ago, and the ajoining land and are planning their second foray in Melbourne there.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

A query, what will be the finalised height of this tower then? 41 stories and looks to be maybe 130m? I am crap at estimations does anyone have the official word? Waiting for a detailed render on this one.

Cheers,
Stu

Any news on the Age site is it up for sale yet?

It will be 128m high.

100 out of 372 apartments is only like 27%, they must be pretty confident to go ahead with only that many sold, unless they are planning to hold on to most of them and rent them out.

Hope it goes, even if it is kinda ugly, it will bring much needed attention to the westend.

One thing is sure: either they or CE have read the market wrong. Or it may just be that people who wouldn't pay $400K off plan can get taken up to a finished unit, fall for the view and pay $450K (+stamp duty) without a second thought. But probably only people buying as owner-occupiers, and are there enough of them?

There are going to be some superb views from the western side units. I've got one in CE's City Point which is adjacent and when they had the red and yellow 'to let' banners on the building you could clearly see it from way down river - and if you can see the windows from the river, you can obviously see the river from those windows. The deletion of the resi towers from Southern Cross Station obviously makes a big difference to the desirability of this one.

Construction on this one is set to start soon after Easter. So this one, Eifel, Verve 501, Milano and Dock 5 will keep us crane spotting well into 2006 :-)

It's big and boring from the CBD side:

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/4437/102274437dl1110811999.jpg

A query, what will be the finalised height of this tower then? 41 stories and looks to be maybe 130m? I am crap at estimations does anyone have the official word? Waiting for a detailed render on this one.

Cheers,
Stu
as grollo said- 128m or 122m to roof.
pretty big. anything tall near it?

"pretty big. anything tall near it?"

It's literally a stone's throw from CE's City Point, 31 storeys, and there's a small block next to it (10 storeys?) which will, I suspect, become awful to live in.

Anyone got any recent pics of the almost completed 'Mondriane'?
Sorry for the wrong thread to ask this - but I would just like to see how Spencer Street is progressing into the future, and from what I can remember, Mondriane went from shocker to surprisingly attractive towards the end..............well, from certain angles anyway.

:puke:

I went through the display apartment and to be honest I was totally underwhelmed by it. The quality just wasn't there and the fittings and fixtures were on a very basic level.

Anyone got any recent pics of the almost completed 'Mondriane'?
Sorry for the wrong thread to ask this - but I would just like to see how Spencer Street is progressing into the future, and from what I can remember, Mondriane went from shocker to surprisingly attractive towards the end..............well, from certain angles anyway.
Try the CBD West End (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=118168&page=21) thread; there's a couple of fresh pics there.

^ ^ ^
Thanks!

Missed this article:

Towers vie for top billing
By Hugh Martin
THE AGE April 3, 2005

As Melbourne developer Pan Urban plans to start work on its $50 million Site One small-office home-office (SOHO) building within days in Docklands' Batman's Hill precinct, Sydney developer Estate Properties of Australia (EPA) is finalising the details of building contracts for its CBD tower.

To be constructed on the corner of Little Bourke and Spencer streets, Estate Properties' "NEO200 on Spencer" project is a 41-storey apartment tower due to be completed in 2008.

While both developers claim to have had highly successful marketing campaigns, with presales as high as 60 per cent, the projects have capitalised on market niches and interstate interest.

Pan Urban managing director Morrie Schwartz said Site One was one of a kind, offering residents the opportunity to live and work from home while providing space for small business by including serviced offices, strata offices and shops. A position on the waterfront adds to its appeal. EPA director Sam Pogson claims to have 227 presales made against the 374 apartments in his company's tower.

With the sales made during a five-month marketing campaign, a majority of the buyers are from NSW and half their number are investors.
The tower is one of few investor-driven developments in the city after a plateauing of the property market last year, and relies heavily on investors driven away from NSW by that state's June 2004 introduction of the controversial 2.25 per cent vendor duty, paid when an investment property is sold.

"We have done well. It exceeds the amount of sales of similar projects in NSW," Mr Pogson said.

Buyers are attracted to the Melbourne market and see it as offering better opportunities in the long term, he said.

With apartments priced at an average of $475,000, entry-level single-bedroom apartments were marketed at $259,000 and penthouses were marketed at $1 million.

He said total sales for the project would be $178 million. It is the company's first Melbourne project and is expected to take three years to complete.

Positioned opposite the rapidly transforming Southern Cross transport precinct, NEO200 on Spencer is also riding on Spencer Street's rise as a desirable location.

Mr Schwartz, who in 2003 completed his Liberty Tower residential development on the corner of Spencer and Collins streets, said Spencer Street had long been seen as the transport end of the city and was treated as such.

"We have made a virtue out of that - all of a sudden there is the infrastructure for it to become a cosmopolitan section of the city," Mr Schwartz said.

"The focus of the city has been twisted 180 degrees. The focus has been on Parliament and now it is on the harbour (Docklands). It has changed the nature of the city."

If given the opportunity to invest in Spencer Street again, Mr Schwartz said he would not hesitate.

However, he said the success of a project depended on the manner in which developers met the market. "There is life in the market yet if you get it right," he said.

Despite these two apparent apartment market success stories, construction industry databases such as BCI Australia and Reed Construction data regularly list projects that have not made it.
A recent addition to the list of those deferred indefinitely was Burbank Homes' $18 million residential conversion of a former ice factory at 96 to 102 Franklin Street. Southbank is full of such stories.

Australand's Victorian general manager of apartments, Rob Pradolin, said the market still sought apartments in developments that stood apart within Melbourne.

He believes the success of Australand's Southbank development, Freshwater Place, rode on its point of difference.
"And I don't mean granite benchtops. There needs to be amenity, location, services and architecture," Mr Pradolin said.

He said those four ingredients were paramount to giving a development landmark status, which ensured its success in the market.

Mr Pradolin said the market was undersupplied with such buildings. Outside Freshwater Place, he considered St Kilda's Espy, Domain, The Melburnian, Eureka Tower, Republic Tower and HMAS Lonsdale to be Melbourne's landmark apartment addresses.

He believes rising construction costs and the quality of design of such towers combined to underpin their long-term values. However Mr Pradolin said the market was currently unwilling to pay the premium for such glamorous addresses, and it would be two years before the market was ready for a new landmark tower.

SOHO is under construction now.

Construction on this one is set to start soon after Easter. So this one, Eifel, Verve 501, Milano and Dock 5 will keep us crane spotting well into 2006 :-)
yeah, just looking at my diagrams, atm melbourne looks most impressive with 7 x500ft+ towers uc with a 1000footer to b00t.

over 80m+

Eureka -297m
FWP -207m
verve -170m
E&Y-165m
SX Tower-163m
RDT-162m
UWS-150m
Vic point-128m
Milano-123m
Dock5-96m
Eifel-95m
So when Neo200 starts this year it will be slotted in at 128m and come 2006 the diagrams will only include>

80m+

verve -170m (155m roof)
Neo200-128m
Milano-123m
Dock5-96m
Eifel-95m

A little activity on the site... some new hoardings and a bit of concrete destruction. Piling is due to start on Monday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo2h001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo2h002.jpg

The (ground retail, 7 level parking) podium is what will make this one unless there's some severe cost-cutting done.

It has been advertised in the Sydney press on & off for a few months now.

I still want the car park podums to vanish from existance! All car parks (where possible) must always be underground.

Gee I thought the pilings would've already been done by now. I haven't worked in the city since Jan and they had the billboards up then. Bit slow!

walked past it today plenty of trucks onsite carting away topsoil

so this one is UC? no bldgs to demolish? straight into it?

so this one is UC? no bldgs to demolish? straight into it?
There's been work on the site since May 17. The only structure was a roof which I think was left over from when the site was operating as a car park, and has now been demolished. It's in the bottom right of this pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/Stadium-1.jpg

It doesn't look like there was ever anything big there; these photos from 1937 and 1963 show some fairly inconspicuous bulidings...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/melbgpospencer1937_c4078_n1080.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/aerial1963_a44307.jpg

It doesn't look like there was ever anything big there; these photos from 1937 and 1963 show some fairly inconspicuous bulidings...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/melbgpospencer1937_c4078_n1080.jpg


Isn't this the 'mail exchange' building? It's a beaut even if it was something else

Isn't this the 'mail exchange' building? It's a beaut even if it was something else
Yes, and the Neo200 site is on the left where that small building with the pointed roof is. Hard to find old photos of the site as most people with cameras were pointing them at places like the mail exchange :)

The mail exchange is a great old building but could do with a bit of a wash.

cool, thanks mugley & freewig.
ill update ss.com.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/melbgpospencer1937_c4078_n1080.jpg

What an awesome photo!! Gotta love the cars parked on the street too! I wonder when this building was knocked down and who the people were who requested it's demise. They should be hung! :bleep:

It's still there chop. It just disused atm and needs a good clean and spruce up.

They have got a permit to turn it into self storage units :-) It has a rather strange internal layout as it was really an industrial building designed for sorting mail so I think developers have found it hard to find a use for it without destroying it's heritage.

Maybe the rooms are too big and the ceilings are too high, so it can't be turned into dogbox apartments :)

From years ago i think that the old 'mail exchange building' was even proposed as a casino site.

That seems like a strange excuse, Grollo, when you consider developments such as the T&G building in Collins Street, which was completely gutted and rebuilt inside, leaving the facade untouched. Couldn't they do the same thing with this building. It's on such a prominent corner and directly opposite the new station - a self-storage centre would be such a waste. I say turn it into the city next ultra glam hotel......

Heritage Victoria will not allow the building to be gutted as they have as much heritage value as the exterior: "the well-designed internal spaces and system of chutes to transport mail around the building demonstrated a concerted effort to modernise the mail system in the early years of the new Commonwealth."

Also the ground floor is not actually at ground level and the entrances are relatively small and have lots of steps.

I think the cost of converting the building to another use has made it unviable up until now, but with the completion of Southern Cross Station this will hopefully change.

Warning - this machine is not for haemorrhoid removal...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/vpile.jpg

tenders for redevelopment of the mail exchange are out, LU Simon look the likely builder considering they are working on Neo. hopefully both will be completed around the same time.

Nice Mugley:) You want to try sitting in one when its going, enough to give the 'roids a stir up.

^ Hehe.

More action today...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo1806_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo1806_2.jpg

Looks like the piling stage is winding down. The Vibropile rig is scheduled for removal early Tuesday, and was being disassembled today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo_2506.jpg

Looking like a bit of a desert at the moment...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo07031.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo07032.jpg

The desert is now a pit. Little Bourke is going to be blocked between King and Spencer over the weekend, so some heavy equipment might be arriving...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo_hole.jpg

been a while since we've seen CBD clay eh.

I just think back to the painful beginnings of Eureka, Freshwater and SX.

The street closure got delayed by a week, and the arse-end of Little Bourke now has a lovely purple gateway to welcome tourists :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo0806.jpg

Going out onsite with LU Simon in couple of weeks to see first hand pile driving techniques. I'll keeep y'all posted.

Hole-in-the-ground update...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/mugley/neo0903.jpg

Going out onsite with LU Simon in couple of weeks to see first hand pile driving techniques. I'll keeep y'all posted.

Save your petrol money for beer, here's how it works.

Drill hole in ground. Lift pile onto rig. Bash pile in until it hits rock or Kelly bar runs out of stroke. Keep bashing piles in until they hit bedrock. Move piling rig to next hole. Start again.

That's about it!

^Simple and to the point. I raise my beer to you sir.

ARRRRGGHHHHHHH Beer, nnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Save your petrol money for beer, here's how it works.

Drill hole in ground. Lift pile onto rig. Bash pile in until it hits rock or Kelly bar runs out of stroke. Keep bashing piles in until they hit bedrock. Move piling rig to next hole. Start again.

That's about it!

I know more than well how it works... But being on a site tour with CM much different. Also, I dont drive anymore...

I know more than well how it works... But being on a site tour with CM much different. Also, I dont drive anymore...

Well don't be afraid to tell us all about it then hey! :runaway:

Crane is going up tomorrow

yes get used to the noise, poor bastards
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo200510.jpg

yes get used to the noise, poor bastards

They can kiss goodbye their views as well :-)

More crane pr0n from this morning...

http://static.flickr.com/25/52573389_c9ff82f5e9_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/31/52573388_fab7eb3d9a_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/27/52573387_591dcac56b_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/32/52573386_d61873eb5d_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/24/52573385_f2a380efc1_o.jpg

They can kiss goodbye their views as well :-)

The guy with the mob to his ear looks like he's jumped on the phone to sell it as soon as he saw the crane going up, probably wondering whether it was a good idea moving there. The expression on his face says it all. Nice work Silver. :)

check out the bend in the boom!! Looks awesome from the other end as well. When you are 70 odd metres up in box looking down it looks like a rex hunt fishing rod!!

Nice shots mugley!!

Looks like silvermb now has competition with mugley when it comes to construction shots. :)
Nothing like it to bring out the best in you!

so is that only 1 level below ground i can see excavated? crane already there. gee, in sydney its a friggn year until we get a crane. we always seem to dig 6-10 levels first for carparking.
good snaps

Unlike Sydney, Melbourne seem to like building above ground car parks!!!!!

My pet hate!!!!

^they're mainly near yarra where excv. too deep isnt feasible

^^^ Exactly, cost is a big factor and it is more expensive to go deep in Melbourne around the Yarra in particular than Sydney.

Stu

There are no problems with digging down for a car park in the CBD north of Collins St. Its just pure laziness and cost cutting!

yep, just look at Urban Workshop, QV and Southern Cross.

QV was a flapjackingly enormous excavation exercise :eek2:

I prefer above ground car parks anyway (in terms of travelling/ease of parking and access). I abhor underground car parks.

There is no difference accessing and driving around an above ground as opposed to a below ground car park. If the layout is the same, which it can be, then there is no difference. You still have to drive up or down from car park level to car park level!

But my main point is, that above gfround car parks look very bad. I have never seen one that works well and presnets itself well onto the streetscape. I waite to be proven wrong.

ahhh newquay

There is no difference accessing and driving around an above ground as opposed to a below ground car park. If the layout is the same, which it can be, then there is no difference. You still have to drive up or down from car park level to car park level!

But my main point is, that above gfround car parks look very bad. I have never seen one that works well and presnets itself well onto the streetscape. I waite to be proven wrong.

In Sydney there is. The car parks we have been to are all steep, narrow and confusing as buggery. The ones in Melbourne, on the other hand, are not nearly as steep or narrow and generally they are well signed etc.

But my main point is, that above gfround car parks look very bad. I have never seen one that works well and presnets itself well onto the streetscape. I waite to be proven wrong.

The Argus Centre, Republic Tower, Yarras Edge, Newquay, Eureka, Freshwater Place Residential... How many more examples do you want. Melbourne does the best above ground parking in the world. Of course that doesn't mean that every example of above gound parking in Melbourne is great but in general it is done really well here.

http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/ye5 base.jpg

Ok ok! I knew Grollo would get back at me ;P

Its just a pity that we put cars above ground to enjoy the view, when in reality its the people who deserve to be above ground enjoying the view.

those cars under yarra edge 5 are getting a great view! and nothing will block it!

Of what, the freeway?

New gantry on the Lt Bourke side this morning

http://static.flickr.com/24/59861746_fc5e7d6d66_o.jpg

Anyone got any descent renders of the tower? Seems a few of the links mentioned earlier in the thread aren't working...
I've seen the render from the pavement looking up at what is a rather plain looking 128m tower ! That is the only image appearing in the Sydney press as well.
Hopefully it won't be in the RDT realms of fugliness. Still, its alot better than what's there right now.

Anyone got any descent renders of the tower? Seems a few of the links mentioned earlier in the thread aren't working...
I've seen the render from the pavement looking up at what is a rather plain looking 128m tower ! That is the only image appearing in the Sydney press as well.
Hopefully it won't be in the RDT realms of fugliness. Still, its alot better than what's there right now.
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=305488

http://estateconstructions.com.au/properties/spencer

not much info about

Anyone got any descent renders of the tower?Here's a Descent render. No tower though :)

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4198/descent1is.jpg

lol, funnies! :) i havent played descent for ages! god it's aged badly :)

Here are 2 from the booklet I got from the display suite some time ago.
In the first render they placed the tower on the power station site meaning that either someone was lazy and couldn't be stuffed photoshopping it behind the Dome or they're just plain stupid.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8715/neo2002lm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7282/neo200onspencer4ns.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

every room is an integral part of the spaceNothing worse than when all rooms except one are an integral part of the space. Or the rooms are a non-integral part of the space. Or the rooms belong to a different space altogether, or to no space at all.

glass sliding door convert two rooms into oneApartments don't have real walls. Bedrooms are made of sliding doors joining at right-angles, like in Mondriane.

private balconies invite airflow and natural lightThere's no air conditioning or insulation :)

^Lol. I don't get the bit in the booklet where it says "exterior and foyer design principles blend seamlessly into each apartment, capturing interest, depth and warmth". Interest in what? What a load of baloney.

WOW!!!

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8715/neo2002lm.jpg

What an EXCITING building! It glows in the dark!

OR...

It's more like the second render which is as dull as dishwater and I want it pulled down even before it is erected. Blech!


Cheers,

Adam

capturing interest... for the bank

, depth... of debt

and warmth".Like we said before, there's no air conditioning or insulation :)

It's the ad copy that just keeps giving!

Its a huge building and will have a major impact on the western skyline and Spencer Street. A great addition except for the podium car park!! Grrrr

Looking at the render it seems like the tower will have the same sort of facade as Circle on Cavill; with balconies being either concrete or orange glass panels. As for the podium it'll surprise alot of people coming out of the station

Above the podium it looks like the second coming of Liberty Tower. If the power station buildings were taller, it'd even have a matching ugly govt neighbour tower

its a shocker! thus the glowing effect.
but its a big building for this end of town.
no real architecture , i suppose not every bldg can be vic point or Eureka.

It's not that bad, but the orange glass ruins it. A little orange is ok but you'll be drowning in it living there. Besides anything's better than Mondriane. Does anyone have a render of the old design for 200 on Spencer? I've forgotten what it looks like.

They've made at least a rudimentary attempt at aesthetics, with the "wavy" form of balconies on the side, and orange glass could be nice. Not much more to say though.

Stu

It will improve spencer street, i'd love that side of spencer to be a wall of scrapers, and then the same on the otherside in the docklands with the trainlines being the low 'trench' between the two walls.

As the song goes, "Someday, someday"...

Does anyone have a render of the old design for 200 on Spencer? I've forgotten what it looks like.These were posted a while back in the CBD West End thread...

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/4106/200spencer4wg.jpg

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/8956/nautica9st.jpg

Found someone's photo of a neo200 model while I was dredging those up...

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/6561/neo200model8aj.jpg

http://web.aanet.com.au/nmharrison/neo 200 forum.jpg

Pics from yesterday

http://static.flickr.com/33/65462846_765046c3c4_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/28/65462845_9d5407073c_o.jpg

A bit more activity yesterday compared to the previous shots...

http://static.flickr.com/31/67248894_9595250694_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/27/67248893_838a930f8f_o.jpg

We have a core. Wonder who the builder is :)

http://static.flickr.com/35/72258020_cea225dd5b_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/34/72258019_9d58bdd652_o.jpg

Fantastic!

Omg, Grollo's building it, no longer have to send their crews to Dubai for work!!!

:happy:

haven't seen a core at that stage in a loooooooooooooong time.

hrmmmmm....shitbox.

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo1.jpg

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo2.jpg

That model looks crap but there is a sort of curved pattern on the balconies using different materials, so that may actually look good if they use high quality materials and the contrast is better than on the model where you can hardly notice it. Also the podium will depend a lot on the materials used, if it is just painted concrete it will look terrible.

Good to see Modelcraft have finally updated their website.

Should take about 20 minutes to whip up a diagram.

Just take a picture of a turd and crop it to the necessary height.

This is design??

EDIT: For the lazy SOB in me, I gather it's 128m high and 41 levels (of miserable tenants)?

Cheers,

Adam

Oh no. Mondrianne Mach II.

Should take about 20 minutes to whip up a diagram.

Just take a picture of a turd and crop it to the necessary height.

This is design??

EDIT: For the lazy SOB in me, I gather it's 128m high and 41 levels (of miserable tenants)?

Cheers,

Adam

adam, if you need dimensions ect for neo let me know
cheers

Can I have the dimensions for Neo Cul?

adam, if you need dimensions ect for neo let me know
cheers

Letting you know, cul...heheheee

Happy New Year!

Cheers,

Adam

@ adam & archi
wide elevation
height of podium-20m (width-45m)
height to roof-123m (width of tower-37m)
height to plant-128m (width of plant-18m)
go for it.

Cheers, just finished Cosmo on Bourke (368 Little Collins) so now I can get started on this.

Thanks cul.

Archi and I will be using slightly different media.

He'll be using advanced computer software with much skill, while I'll be pwaying wif a krayon.

Cheers,

Adam

Mine's done.

Let's hope it pays tribute to the architectural excellence of the building's design...:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/stclair2/neo200up.gif

Cheers,

Adam

^^ :lol:

Mine's also done, renders, models and diagrams just don't do this architectural masterpiece justice (j/k). :D.

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8710/neorendercopy1mr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5619/neorenderiicopy4ex.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

workers were back on site today, just looking back at Mugley's Dec 11 pic, I think the core's a level higher - or they've just excavated and exposed more of the core.

***my memory has failed me on many occassions so someone confirm that, calling mugley =P

The core was a bit higher just before Christmas, don't know about today as I was a lazy bastard and didn't take a peek this arvo.

The crane was in action this morning. Also saw work on UWS, Spencer Cross DFO and even some human life spotted on top of Eureka.

Edit: Had a look this morning - it doesn't look any higher than its pre-Christmas state. Looks like the excavation is more likely as there was some digging and no sign of pouring.

Concrete was pouring this morning - looks like they've done some basement floor work on the south side...

http://static.flickr.com/18/88170267_c4ae620eef_o.jpg

Current state of the core:

http://static.flickr.com/13/88170266_e9dc91a34c_o.jpg

yer, must have been excavation. ta.

More new concrete on the Lt Bourke side today:

http://static.flickr.com/38/89124626_ba35fb67d5_o.jpg

And a core rise

http://static.flickr.com/41/89124624_c70d743404_o.jpg

great. i reckon laying a slab and getting it flat would be one of hardest jobs around.
ta

Saturday afternoon core pour...

http://static.flickr.com/35/95275525_310acfabbc_o.jpg

Floors are moving along also:

http://static.flickr.com/41/95275524_c010f90b17_o.jpg

been a month, core rise?

Yeah, floors are going up quickly too. It's been harder to get useful shots at the current height since the builders took over half of Lt Bourke St next to the site and fenced it off all the way up to the over-the-road gantry.

Here's a photo from last week...

http://static.flickr.com/39/105206181_19bcb0951a_o.jpg

thanks mugs.maybe 5 in core.
cheers

Core's gone up another level. Basement and ground floor concrete is pretty much done. It's not easy to see in this pic, but there's some patterned concrete (above the seated worker) going up that looks kinda orright.

http://static.flickr.com/35/107920904_c2826725dd_o.jpg

Thanks mugley. L.U. Simon seem to be quick re: Milano and Verve 501

I gotta feeling this one is gunna be crap though. Hope I''m wrong. One thing is for sure; Liberty Tower will remain the best apartment tower on Spencer St.

The older render has disappeared from the Estate Constructions' website. It had a lot more tarnished bronze material cladding the multi-level car-park base. Now it's just the side middle strips (I would say where the main residents' entrance is) and some panels between the floor plates. Cost-cutting = not a good sign.

http://estateconstructions.com.au/image/4588x400y320.jpg

...

One thing is for sure; Liberty Tower will remain the best apartment tower on Spencer St.And that's so depressing I think I'm going to cry :)

Grrrr..Melbourne's gonna regret all this new-style bare concrete development.

It's gonna wish it hadn't been so cheap.

Grrrr..Melbourne's gonna regret all this new-style bare concrete development.

It's gonna wish it hadn't been so cheap.

I agree. An absolute blight on the city.

Let's count them....
1) Landmark
2) Eifel
3) Mondriane
4) Verve

Any others?
AND, I am sure that all these towers, when first proposed, released renders of them as painted. Again, this makes me really angry that developers can deceive people (especially the buyers of these dog boxes) into believing that they will get a half decent addition to their city fabric when they intend all along to throw up a '60's looking council block on prime real estate. It also makes me angry that the council / state govt. agrees to let the same culprits develop more & more sites time and time again! Let's have some standards, guys!
I'm not against bare concrete per se. If done well it can look like a quality product (Newquay towers, Republic) - but it's usually polished and not cheap pre-fabricated panels.
Then again, when the developer does paint their cheap, pre-fab, thrown-up box it's phlegm yellow like that one in Flinders Street. God, Melbourne can get it so right, or so wrong, but nothing in between.

Concept BLue was another tower that looked great in the renders but ended up with the el-cheapo finishes.

I think it's still too early to make the call on Verve and Eifel, there's still a chance that they'll get a paint job. I remember with V1 I was abit worried that it wouldn't get a paint job because no paint was applied while the floors were still rising so I thought that meant no paint at all, but that wasn't the case. They didn't start painting the building until the entire structure was complete. Also we don't know that Neo will have bare concrete it may be painted as the balconies are two toned.

I agree, too early to tell for Verve and Eifel. I have the feeling that Eifel may go the el cheapo route, but have a good feeling about Verve for some reason.

Stu

Verve 501 actually has textured concrete which looks pretty good, the renders of Verve 501 were crap so I think it is actually turning out better than the renders.

Some of that concrete I was talking about:

http://static.flickr.com/52/112357915_0bdb84345d_o.jpg

Looks like a great use of concrete.

Spoke with the project manager earlier & he said that it will be flanked on either side of the 3 car parking entrances/exits seen on the right @ the base in the CGI render below. silvermb posted it on page 8 of this thread.

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo2.jpg

Triangular patterns are also seen on the floorplates in between the car parking levels in this render, also posted by silvermb. They will be spandrel panels, not textured concrete:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/neo1.jpg


*Seems like the residents' entrance, the car parking entrances/exits and the car parking levels along with the burnished bronzed look panels, may prove to be more interesting than the tower component itself! It will make for great streetscape if anything.

:)

^^Hey, this might end up looking OK. :)

Only time will tell. I do however think it won't be as bad as many think. All depends on the finishes.

In regard to the materials and finishes, I contacted the architects Hayball Leonard Stent and found out that the sides of the tower component will be covered in precast spandrel concrete panels (you can see them in the 2 renders above), as will the external balcony floorplates. The tarnished bronze material is actually a treated aluminium mesh and as expected, they are grooves forming the triangular patterns in the spandrel panels covering the floorplates between the car parking levels.

So doesn't seem there will be much bare concrete to oggle at.

...

Starting to get tall enough for photos from Spencer St:

http://static.flickr.com/39/116736621_c73d2b6d02_o.jpg

Panels started to go up on the Spencer St side today:

http://static.flickr.com/44/117533448_f0c48dedbc_o.jpg

^^Developers take note (panelling). :yes:

This building has no chance of complementing Melbournes skyline.. reminds me of one of them housing commission blocks that went up in the 60's in that boring cream colour. However if it were black perhaps it could fit in with most of the nearbye docklands developments that promote a more modern style.

It will be interesting to see how this one turns out, it has a few interesting design features. Hopefully it will end up closer to average than awful :-)

it is tall enough to contribute to the density of skyline... judging by the renders i dont think it will in a good way :ohno:

it will be same height as Vic point.
they should build more bldgs with shaped concrete panels. just adds some interest to facade.

Yep, I like the shaped panels, and there are some interesting features, especially at street level with the bronze-coloured stuff and the zig-zag balconies are cool. It's not gonna be a Republic Tower, Vic Point or Eureka, but I think it will turn out quite nicely.

Stu

I still hate the podium car park. That spoils the whole design.

Easter break update

http://static.flickr.com/45/129739928_313a0f932e_o.jpg

It is a missed opportunity..

what an unimaginative design ...
Great spot... could have been done better...
well....maybe next building..

we need some laser corrective surgery to remove this mole from melbourne's face before it grows any bigger. it's an abomination!

Both Alibaba & "Blabberboy"...@ least wait till it's completed before assuming judgements. It's hardly above ground level.

Both Alibaba & "Blabberboy"...@ least wait till it's completed before assuming judgements. It's hardly above ground level.


yeah that is true... i will give it a benefit of the doubt... just !

can some one demolish this site and grand central... ? :bash:

just joking ! :)

any may day updates? mugs? lol

They've only been back at work a couple of days. Had a look this arvo - couldn't spot anything major since the last update.

no worries.

Another floor since the last update

http://static.flickr.com/48/140237120_c288c70f68_o.jpg

It's lookin' fairly decent thus far.

what time was that pic taken

5:37 PM today

Starting to get big enough to see from Rialto...

http://static.flickr.com/46/149670101_2f6dbfb193_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/91256982@N00/149670101/)

One from today, almost exactly 180deg (and a fair bit of elevation) from the last shot. A couple of new floors since the last ground-level update...

http://static.flickr.com/47/150243979_e1ff6e8247_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/91256982@N00/150243979/)

great. so 5 floor levels + 3 more in core=8.
cheers

so how is this building going to look once they've top it off? any rendering? :D

short answer: like bollocks.

long answer:

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7282/neo200onspencer4ns.jpg

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8715/neo2002lm.jpg

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo2.jpg

It could turn out alright, in anyway it's better then eifle, so it's a winning situation :p
If the patterns on the facade turn out well, and the colour scheme, could be quite nice ofr that end of town.

the car parking looks shit. couldn't they have put it under ground?

Most of melbournes buildings don't have very big basements, because ithat area is a swamp. So the silty ground isn't very good for underground stuff (as the water table is just below ground) Most carparks are above ground to save money from waterproofing them.

above ground carparks = taller buildings :banana:

The carpark reminds me of those polystyrene frames that they use to pack computer & electonic equipment snuggly into its box. I actually quite like it.

This building seems to have taken forever to get started. I remember that picture of it on the skyline at an advertising stand in a mall, and that feels like so many years ago now. Nothing special in this building, but it could be so much worse.

^ hey it only went down 1 basement. if this was built in Sydney, its 8lev carpark would be underground, thus the hole wound be still being dug!
so this is going ok. lol

True :)

I never thought about the water-table before. Thats quite interesting. I guess also means that some creativity (or lack of) can be applied to the facade and break it up a little bit.

When they dug out QV i thought that was an absolutely massive hole. That building would be at a higher elevation tho i think.

Yes QV was a huge hole (compaired to the rest of Melbourne) Because it is on one of the highest parts of the city, and it is a bit more inland.
Basically east of Swanstone street, and north of Collins is where you get the deeper holes.

^ i think the rls are as follows.
4 corners of Hoddle city CBD grid
cnr latrobe/spring-RL 30m
cnr spring/flinders-RL 18m
cnr Flinders/spencer-RL 2m
cnr Spencer/Latrobe-RL 13m
The landscape basically slopes down from north to south and east down to west.

I reckon this facade could surprise. The carpark however...

Blue

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/254/pic00115rb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5109/pic00129el.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lol, has anyone noticed Archibomber's avatar and how much he does look like Nonda?
Hmmm, one is an architect and the other is studying to be one.
Archibomber is Nondas' lovechild!! :eek2:

Lol. I was waiting for someone to pick up on that. Nonda's got a better beard however.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1507/pic00326hx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Great shot Archibomber, and thanks for all the updates. :)

Ditto. Go the Arch!

Was wondering how this one was coming along. Still way too early to judge, despite the renders.

great pic. hows the core going? since floors are up to lev7,core must be 10?
looks like 1 more carpark level to go?
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/neo2.jpg

the only one i don't have much against from the crap tower new resi belt surrounding the city. treat that concrete.

thanks archi.

it's gonna be crap and we all know it!

I dunno, I like the textured stuff used so far on the carpark... and the alternating style of balconies on the 'side' looks like it'll be OK. The front may be a bit bland though...

Stu

So far I like... the carpark base looks like the textured walls from Harrison Fords character out of Blade Runner. It looks much better seeing it in person.

Well first time i've used the camera in a loooong time. Went around the city yesterday hardly got anything, but meh. Heres Neo.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/P1020240.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/P1020239.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/drunkill/P1020233.jpg
I think it'll look good, as long as they paint it right. The balconys on the side are kinda cool.

big full page spread today in sydney telegraph on projects currently by Estate Constructions.they have recently completed Parramattas tallest bldg-26st Escen.
The add for neo200 says- ENJOY VIEWS FROM SPENCER STREETS TALLEST RESIDENTIAL BUILDING!! from $389k. lol

A couple from this evening:

http://static.flickr.com/65/176983607_f2d4578c1f_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/176983607/)

http://static.flickr.com/56/176983606_af3a14a5aa_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/176983606/)

thanks mugs, so the 8 carpark floors are done and mabe a couple more in core .cheers

If they keep it plain cream concrete it will look crap. simple as that. Could look alright...

The site sheds on the Lt Bourke St gantries should be coming down tomorrow.

They started on the tower component yet?

Couldn't really tell last time I looked from ground level. Will try to take a squiz from somewhere higher soonish...

Here we go - a couple of floors

http://static.flickr.com/67/196972177_de33466dc6_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/196972177/)

thanks. so 8 carpark levs done and now 4 resi in core? =12
cheers

Concrete pumping on Friday. The floors above the carpark are becoming visible from ground level.

http://static.flickr.com/89/207661076_7ae3e0debe_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/207661076/)

any updates mugs?

Special delivery for Cul - this one's not quite an hour old...

http://static.flickr.com/75/228023546_4f8affd8e8_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/228023546/)

Wow, neo doesn't have much core sticking out, floorplates seem to be following fairly closely.

Stu

Nice mugs!! Excellent!! I like the pattern on the podium.

core stays within reach of the pumping arm otherwise needs another crane and pumping assembly to move up aka Eureka/Urban

looking at mugs' pic and the renders again>>

crap-o-meter rating 9/10

Hayball Leonard Stent can jump in the hall of shame with Span and Blight Voller whatever. it takes so much architectural merit to bang precast up on three sides and paint it cream, its extraordinary...