Peter & Richmond St, Toronto. I know nothing about this project and would like to know more. Quite possibly the only new project in Toronto (built or proposal) with a massing that I like. Tdot is growing up.

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I assume this is the possible location. Tableau is across the street and they just reno'd the building at the north-east corner.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=43.648082,-79.393049&spn=0.001263,0.002838&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.6484,-79.39325&panoid=xZ3CpFpm4oVf1h5dwWg2Nw&cbp=12,242.17,,0,3.55

I assume this is the possible location. Tableau is across the street and they just reno'd the building at the north-east corner.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=43.648082,-79.393049&spn=0.001263,0.002838&z=19&layer=c&cbll=43.6484,-79.39325&panoid=xZ3CpFpm4oVf1h5dwWg2Nw&cbp=12,242.17,,0,3.55


Its listed as 122 Peter, which would make it just south of that (where the white Victorian is).


Quite possibly the only new project in Toronto (built or proposal) with a massing that I like.


What exactly is different about the massing on this one than on just about any other narrow mid-rise going up?

If the quality is anything like the first one I wouldn't get to excited about this. Also this is a very old proposal. The sales office has been open for almost 3 years. The small little building phase one took them over 5 years to construct. I'm pretty sure there is already a thread for this one.

Isn't the architect lucky that you think his building is the only good one proposed in our city. Perhaps he will care seeing as none of us do.

^^I'm sorry this project isn't as exciting to u as Trump or the Madison...

What exactly is different about the massing on this one than on just about any other narrow mid-rise going up?
For starters this isn't another decorated box, and actually has interesting volumes. We can tell from the render that they're at least going for floor to floor panes of glass, so it won't be another cheapo tower.

And what other narrow "mid-rises"? Museum house lol? A highrise is a highrise regardless of how tall other u/c projects are. Though u did once call Verve "infill", so...

We can tell from the render that they're at least going for floor to floor panes of glass, so it won't be another cheapo tower.

What does the quality of glass have to do with massing? :lol:


And what other narrow "mid-rises"? Museum house lol? A highrise is a highrise regardless of how tall other u/c projects are. Though u did once call Verve "infill", so...

Museum House is a prominent one, yes, but then there are also any of the dozens of unremarkable narrow little towers anywhere in the CBD, or anything going up on Wellington, or most of the Freed projects in the west end, and so on. Since I don't feel like searching up the names and renderings of all these places, I'll leave it to you to walk around these areas and discover them yourself (though I suppose Google Streetview/Bing Maps will have to make do in your case), instead of the usual City Place/Markham/Mississauga-type areas you seem obsessed with.

And if you want to get into the mid-rise vs. high-rise semantics game - at what appears to be 24 stories this is clearly in high-rise territory, however, within a high-rise context its definitely in the more moderate range, hence why I use "mid-rise" (I suppose I should've explicitly called it a "mid-rise tower" in the event that someone were unable to figure it out) to differentiate it from the likes of 1KW, Spire, Theatre Park, Crystal Blue, etc, etc (also all very narrow - but at a completely different scale).

Anyway dleung, what are you even doing on the internet on a weekend with us losers? Shouldn't you be out spending mum & dad's money like a "normal person" or whatever it is you do? ;)

Well when he's not here or wrapped in a towel at his gym he's over on Skyscraperpage.com spewing the same anti-Toronto comments.


His exact words from that site - Quite possibly the only project in Toronto with a massing that I like.


Pretty sad really. dleung, any other sites you copy and paste your obsession with Toronto?

Well when he's not here or wrapped in a towel at his gym he's over on Skyscraperpage.com spewing the same anti-Toronto comments.


His exact words from that site - Quite possibly the only project in Toronto with a massing that I like.


Pretty sad really. dleung, any other sites you copy and paste your obsession with Toronto?

I wonder why he doesn't go shit all over Toronto projects at urbantoronto.ca

I wonder why he doesn't go shit all over Toronto projects at urbantoronto.ca

Because everyone is from Toronto there. Nowhere to hide ;)


Carrying on. If this project has been around for a while, and this is an old render, could there be another in the works?

UT has much less patience than SSC and separate the wheat from the chaff rather quickly.


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What does the quality of glass have to do with massing?
Nothing... but the "not a decourated box" part has a lot to do with it. Here's a tough question... are there any highrise condos out there that look more interesting than this one? I find the dismissiveness kinda forced..

I wonder why he doesn't go shit all over Toronto projects at urbantoronto.ca

Cuz i'm busy going shit over Vancouver projects at SSP? From what I've heard, UT is actually the more educated version of SSC toronto, so avoiding architectural discussion in favor of blind boosterism (like here) would be less prevalent...

Hostile crowd as always...

Key word:

blind

If we hurl crap, we must expect some of it to boomerang back. What goes around comes around.



Now, will someone PLEASE think of the children?!??!??

Posted by Travis

Looks like this one is going to have a height increase:

I was told 8 floors is being added (21 floors total), and the design of the parking will be revised to reflect the added units and to reduce excavation/construction schedule (an automated parking system will be used).
I am supposed to get a letter confirming this and a tentative completion date in a couple weeks. New drawings and a model for the taller building should be ready soon.

Sources tell me they want to break ground in Fall.

i'm guessing that with 21 floors, there will be 30 units in it.

Their first building is still not complete. They've now been building the 8 storey building for almost 6 years. I would be wary purchasing with these guys. A design like this one would be amazing down on the waterfront, the location it's planned for the units on the lower floors will have zero in the way of views. This might be one of the most dense city blocks in Toronto.

Nice design! Looks like something that would work well in lower slung towns like MTL or Hfx as well. Hurry up and build it, or donate it to a community that really needs it. :tongue4:

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WOW! Langston Hall II by Templar Developments at 122-124 Peter Street will be 39-storeys & feature just 35 units: http://twitpic.com/6hssrb

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As much as I like this building I still think it's in the wrong location. This developer will find it very hard to find buyers for it. No doubt these units will be starting over $1,000,000 and I don't see that area a place that will attract that kind of clientel. Not to mention they still haven't fully completed their much smaller Boutique Hotel just down the road. They started building that back in 2005. Even if they do build this it won't start for at least another 3 years, anyone with money and a realtor that knows the business will still clear of this development.

If this was down on the waterfront (where it should be) it would sell without a problem. Remember floors 2-10 will have almost no views on all sides, good luck selling those units.

^^ I think King and Spadina is becoming very desirable and could easily command $1million+ prices. Other buildings in the area have already done so successfully. I agree, though, that the developer's track-record raises questions about the project's viability.

I'm thinking more about the views. What is the point of purchasing a floor size suite on the first 9-10 floors that will offer little in the ways of views. Anyone looking to spend big bucks to have their own floor most likely will not be attracted to this building. It's just in the wrong location.

I don't think people in a big highrise city expect views that taper off into the distance, they expect views of other buildings across the street. You pay for what's at your door step at street level. If you happen to get an unblocked view, it's an added bonus.

I don't think people in a big highrise city expect views that taper off into the distance, they expect views of other buildings across the street.

I agree, but who will want to drop a massive amount of money on a full floor condo when the entire point of having an entire floor is for the views. It kind of defeats the purpose of the design. They should maybe rework the interior design and break up the lower floors into small units.

Sounds like someone isn't a millionaire and is still in shock about it..

Hey I'm just a realists and am pointing out a huge flaw in who this building is being marketed to. I'm sorry for pointing out some obvious flaws in their research which may kill off any chance of this thing going up. I used to work right next to where this building is being proposed for so I know how hemmed in it will be on the lower levels. I also know this developer takes the cake for the slowest builder in the city so anybody with any sense will probably have done their research and will steer clear of them. Millionaires don't get rich making bad choices in life.

I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see this go up but I won't be shocked if it never happens. If it does I look forward to seeing it from certain angles in about 8 years when it's done.

Andrew has a great point here. This proposal is an interesting concept but I`m honestly not sure if I would trust these guys with a 39 storey condo tower. Might take them decades to finish. Their low-rise Templar Hotel has taken years and still hasn`t opened yet. Langston Hall One has been on the market for years and construction has yet to start. If I purchased here, I would be frustrated on how nothing has happened. These guys need to get their act together ASAP, or else they will miss the boat while the market is still relatively hot. Right now, I would rather invest my money with Freed developments in the area.

god damn, there goes the clubbing district :(

Andrew has a great point here.

Travis has an even greater point here.
:)

I agree, but who will want to drop a massive amount of money on a full floor condo when the entire point of having an entire floor is for the views.

I assumed very little about having an entire floor was about views, but having lots of living space with no one else on your floor. The elevator can open right into your unit. :dunno:

What would be the point of an entire floor if it wasn't about the views? Why not just buy a large unit somewhere else for the same price but with views? Views are a better investment then direct elevator access.

I choose where to live based on what's downstairs (on the street), architecture/design, quality, etc. What I can see out the window is important, but quite far down the list. It's where I am that matters, not what I can see out the window. I want to step out of the lobby and be in the thick of it. I don't want to have to walk 10 blocks to get there. Maybe that will change when I'm a senior.

Views? I can go to the CN Tower if I want to do that.

Well then people should stop paying more for views like they do in all new builds. The higher you are the more you pay for premium view and that's a fact.