Great documentary!

http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/the-conquerors-andrew-jackson-conqueror-of-florida-video_39db19c7b.html

Great documentary! For y'all to know a little more about your history. :)

(This is a repost from the Florida forum, I also wanted the Miami folks to hear about it.
If the mods want to delete one, delete the one in the Florida forum).

http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/the-conquerors-andrew-jackson-conqueror-of-florida-video_39db19c7b.html

Great documentary! For y'all to know a little more about your history. :)

(This is a repost from the Florida forum, I also wanted the Miami folks to hear about it.
If the mods want to delete one, delete the one in the Florida forum).

http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/the-conquerors-andrew-jackson-conqueror-of-florida-video_39db19c7b.html

This actually belongs in the Florida forum.

This actually belongs in the Florida forum.

Well true, but I found it equally important for Miamians to learn their history.

Great documentary!

http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/the-conquerors-andrew-jackson-conqueror-of-florida-video_39db19c7b.html

My gggg grandfather was in St. Augustine as early as 1780. He was a loyalist who fled SC (and revolutionaries) with a price on his head.

While in St. Augustine, he was jailed, for a time, in the Castillo de San Marcos, for taking part in an insurrection of the Spanish government.

Question: Wasn't Ponce de Leon first??! or maybe Andrew Jackson is the anglo "conqueror"....

Question: Wasn't Ponce de Leon first??! or maybe Andrew Jackson is the anglo "conqueror"....

Ponce de Leon didn't conquer Florida for the US.

He did for Spain, which if history is correct, was the first country to step a foot on this soil... or you suggesting that it's only correct to call "conquerors" those who did it in the name of King George Washington?!? LOL!!!!

Was it wrong to have called Andrew Jackson a "conquerer?" I don't get get what you're trying to say. Yeah he wasn't the first to discover Florida, but he did in fact conquer this state.

What happened to my post ? My gggg grandfather was a hellraiser, in Florida, around 1780 onward. He was holed up, for a time, in the Castillo de San Marcos for a time.

He did for Spain, which if history is correct, was the first country to step a foot on this soil... or you suggesting that it's only correct to call "conquerors" those who did it in the name of King George Washington?!? LOL!!!!

Are you high or something?
I was linking to a documentary called "Andrew Jackson, conquerer of Florida".
This is because he was an american general, conquering Florida on the behalf of the United States of America.

My gggg grandfather was in St. Augustine as early as 1780. He was a loyalist who fled SC (and revolutionaries) with a price on his head.

While in St. Augustine, he was jailed, for a time, in the Castillo de San Marcos, for taking part in an insurrection of the Spanish government.

Cool!
So you're as Florida as they come! :cheers:

Was it wrong to have called Andrew Jackson a "conquerer?" I don't get get what you're trying to say. Yeah he wasn't the first to discover Florida, but he did in fact conquer this state.

There's nothing wrong about it. Just wanted to mentioned the fact that our state has been conquered several times and it was Ponce de Leon who did it first.

Are you high or something?
I was linking to a documentary called "Andrew Jackson, conquerer of Florida".
This is because he was an american general, conquering Florida on the behalf of the United States of America.

No, I'm just on a trolling mood today ;) like you said LOL! I know why you did it...just thought it was funny you answered saying "oh well he didn't do it for the USA" like if the first time it happened was irrelevant....

Cool!
So you're as Florida as they come! :cheers:

Seventh-generation, I think. :nuts:

Never knew until I delved into some genealogical research a little over a year ago. My gggg grandfather was named Ned Turner. Supposedly, there is more written about him in Spanish lore than in English. It is also believed that he and Bloody Bill Cunningham provided the inspiration for the evil British officer in Mel Gibson's The Patriot.

What happened to my post ? My gggg grandfather was a hellraiser, in Florida, around 1780 onward. He was holed up, for a time, in the Castillo de San Marcos for a time.

Dale, that was in the Florida forum. This is the Miami forum.

^^ I was not trolling...I was making a joke based on 1772's comment in another thread...:ohno:

Jackson certainly had a large role in Florida's history but the transition to American control wasn't really the result of dramatic battles the way I think a term like "conquered" implies.

Spain simply ceded Florida to the United States as part of the Adams-Onis treaty that settled often disputed territorial boundaries between the two countries. There was no real "battle" over it. You have to remember that at the time Florida was largely considered an inhospitable backwater that produced little and Spain wanted to spend their resources elsewhere. Only a few decades earlier, in fact, Spain had traded all of Florida to the British simply to regain control of the city of Havana.

Jackson's battles with the native Indian populations definitely helped secure Florida as "American" both before and after Spanish rule ended, but of course from the Indians perspective they were defending what was their turf.

One enduring legacy of it all is the presence of Seminoles and Miccosukees in the Everglades. Neither tribe had any history of being there (they didn't see it as any more hospitable than anyone else) and wound up there simply as a result of wanting to escape to a safe haven away from the advance of white settlers and the forced removal westward suffered by many of their fellow members.

Jackson's battles with the native Indian populations definitely helped secure Florida as "American" both before and after Spanish rule ended, but of course from the Indians perspective they were defending what was their turf.

One enduring legacy of it all is the presence of Seminoles and Miccosukees in the Everglades. Neither tribe had any history of being there (they didn't see it as any more hospitable than anyone else) and wound up there simply as a result of wanting to escape to a safe haven away from the advance of white settlers and the forced removal westward suffered by many of their fellow members.

Bearing this in mind, 1772. There are quite a few people who would find this offensive, let alone not even belonging in the Miami forum.

Conquest? That wouldn't be the right terminology, Jackson was never coined as a conqueror... Ponce DE Leon was a explorer, not a conqueror either.

De Soto might be the only conqueror there was at the time.

^^ Bingo! That's exactly what I thought. The definition of "explorer" and "conquistador or conqueror" is sometimes misused...

Andrew Jackson wasn't exactly a friend of Native Americans either, and I'm on the side of Native Americans with regard to this issue. That's why I said some people might even find this thread insensitive, offensive, and just one historical perspective out of many. And 1772, you are assuming here that there are those who don't know their history when it's only one side of the story anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

I have very, very mixed feelings concerning A.J., as well as my own ancestors, some of them who worked closely with Jackson. I will just say this: he was one of the most influential people in this country's history, for better AND for worse.

I have very, very mixed feelings concerning A.J., as well as my own ancestors, some of them who worked closely with Jackson. I will just say this: he was one of the most influential people in this country's history, for better AND for worse.

Well, he certainly was that! It all depends on who you talk too. Many people don't know that he also adopted a Native American son, and why he did that is also a point of controversy. Was it to "program" him his way, so that he could teach all the other Native Americans how to be good "redskins?" Who can say what the real motivation there was?

Offhand, I'd guess the Spanish did a better job with Florida than either the English or the Americans. At least I don't remember them slaughtering the Indians. I could be wrong.

In any case, though English, I literally owe my life to the Spanish as they granted refuge to my beleaguered gggg-grandfather.

At that time Spain had major problems, such as Independence wars of our most important colonies, including Peru, New Spain, Argentina, Colombia, etc. In addition at the same time we were fighting for our independence against Napoleonic France 1808 -1814!! crazy! After the Napoleonic wars Spain was a destroyed country.

Florida was our minor problem. There was more than a few isolated soldiers without communication or contact with other.

In last XVIII and first XIX decade, Spain tried a new recolonization without much success. People who lived in Florida before the cession to Great Britain were living in Cuba. Spain wanted to force them to return to Florida. Havana offered better possibilities for creating business and commerce.

After the American Independence War, when we regain Florida, the spanish goverment had a plan for develop Florida ...offered land for free for news colonists, reconstructed some forts,clarify the borders with USA..etc. This plan included the respect to british or americans former colonists.

The wars against Revolutionary France first 1793- 1795; against UK 1800- 1808; Napoleonic France 1808- 1814 frustrated the Florida colonization plan.

couriously Florida had a representative in the spanish Courts or Parliament that made the first Spanish Constitution in 1812.

Greetings from Spain. and sorry my bad english.

Thanks, Spain! If not for you guys ... I wouldn't exist. :cheers: