Hey Ossi, altes Haus, lebst du noch... Gruss an euch alle!

UPDATE 05.09.

I wish I could give you some good news, but since last week there is no progress to see... except some work on the common areas and some cladding on North. In West they have not proceeded with the interiors in the appartments. Let's hope they proceed with East and North.

Hey Ossi, altes Haus, lebst du noch... Gruss an euch alle!

UPDATE 05.09.

I wish I could give you some good news, but since last week there is no progress to see... except some work on the common areas and some cladding on North. In West they have not proceeded with the interiors in the appartments. Let's hope they proceed with East and North.

Taken today
http://i38.tinypic.com/107mayu.jpg

Hi guys,
last week we went to Q Wets, floor, 4-6-7 all done and all doors are locked.
I still dont see much of progress in Q north and Q East.
they claim that Q West will be done before Jan, but god knows if Emaar is gona hand them over or make us wait until north and east is also completed.

Hope they change their mind.

I have to say progress on this development is painfully slow. I moved into my apartment in JBR last November. The bedroom directly overlooks Marina Quays and I remember noting whilst they were taking down the crane on the main tower soon after I moved in that this development will be done and handed over within a year.
Well, its almost a year since then and I swear its hardly moved on at all. The work they've done in that time could have been done in a month with a full team. Believe me, I look down on this site every morning and there's been weeks when there's been no more than a handful of workers on the site.
If they carry on on at this rate it should be ready for handover in about 3 or 4 years.:ohno:

If there are any 3 bed villa owners on the thread, apologies for causing any potential confusion. :) I have visited the site again and found our villa. It is a three bedroom (as planned) and looks pretty impressive so far in regards to layout. The 3 bed villas are below the 2 bed villas at the road level (obviously a different configuration applies to those with a marina view).

Yes, progress is more than slow. Yesterday I went to EMAAR to clarify my account and in their computer I could see the expected new handing over date which was 31st May 2009 !!!!!! So they know they will never make it by March 1st 2009.

And watching the handful workers there having a break all the time does not make give me a better feeling. When I asked the lady about that new handing over date she smiled and said that the owners will be informed in due course... any delay is always possible she added, haha! What a joke!

I would not wonder if even Bay Central will be handed over before Marina Quays...:bash:

Are DCE building this ?

yes, Park Island as well.
I am just wondering that the Emaar will give them any new projects.

Emaar is not so much concerned about any delays... what do they have to fear? Nobody can do anything about it and if the (disturbing) customer wants to withdraw from the contract after >12 months delay he gets paid the orginal selling price... and Emaar can resell it again at the market price... and make even more profit!

Joder .... that is really bad news with 31st May ... really bad ...

Is there not a compensation clause in the contract ??

Yes, there is some compensation, it says "interst for the payments made". But this is nothing if you withdraw from the contract and do net receive the market price.

The delay is only caused by east and north, we can only hope that the common areas, the pool etc. and the structure of east and north will be completed so that they only work on the interior of east and north. Then an earlier handing over date for west could be possible - in theory...

UPDATE

Made friendship with the security... and the lift is working:-)

Had a look at the entrance area, the parking decks etc. I must admit this will be a very nice development, especially the entrance area looks already now very nice with the lobby that has a complete glass front towards the parking decks.

In West the appartments from floors 4 to 9 are locked - they seem to be completed.

In floor 10 there was a bunch of chinese workers sleeping in every appartment, they were supposed to do some interiors according to the security but without supervisor so they normally slepp the whole day...even the security was very angry and shouted at them because he was told that West should be handed over in March 2009... before the other two. And there is still a lot to do...

No progress with East and North. March 2009 for these 2 towers are dreamful thinking.

By the way is here anybody who has property in East or North?

UPDATE


In floor 10 there was a bunch of chinese workers sleeping in every appartment, they were supposed to do some interiors according to the security but without supervisor so they normally slepp the whole day...even the security was very angry and shouted at them

Amazing, maybe I should show up there with my Chinese-like face to get some credibility and then subsequently kick their asses.

Regarding North and East, I have several work colleagues who bought in there, and when I told them the latest news, they were not amused at all.. :(

Proof that DCE can't manage their workforce. Nothing but a tosspot company IMO. :ohno:

To make it clear, my comment was not against the chinese fellows... only against the workers there and their bosses. They did not even wake up when I climed over them!!!!

It is nice when there should be workers there on a Friday to catch up some work however they were only dreaming to work...

Guys, has been there any official communication for the postponed date of "End of May 2009"? I still can't believe it and am looking for someone who can prove the opposite! :)

No, there is nothing official yet... for sure they will not tell us before the end of this year - if the delay is still there.

Will check the site tomorrow again, but what I see from passing by is not encouraging me... east and north still missing the last level. East pier looks still the same. Actually it is impossible to complete north and east by March 1st 2009. The structures of the second parts have not even started! And then keep in mind that each floor has 10 appartments... multiplied by 12 and then by 2... so much work left.

UPDATE 19.09.

Had a chance to see (the completed) appartment 4001, I was a bit disappointed by the finishing. The bathrooms and restrooms look very basic, the cabinets in the kitchen as well. Seems to be very cheap "wood". All kitchen aplliances by "Whirlpool" - also very basic. Some cabinets have slightly different colours... Unfortunately I was not allowed to take fotos. Marina Promenade offers much better quality. Obviously Emaar has to save some money on the Quays.

Up to level 10 all appartments are "ready", so again no progress since last week.

On level 11 some workers were sleeping on the ground. Meanwhile I think they are living there... however the toilets are not working!! My nose could easily detect that fact... I complained to the security...

No progress on East and North... Don't know what they are doing during the week...

Keep on praying...!

It's very disappointing that DCE let their workforce behave like this. Surely there must be some DCE site managers taking control somewhere ??

WTF, I think as an owner, it is better not to follow this thread anymore. It just ruins my day every time I read it. Better to have a look every 3-4 weeks, at least I'd see some progress (even with that I am not sure)

tightness i completly agree with you... and the fact that im on the other side of the world makes me feel even more useless at least if i was there i would be at the sales center yelling at some executives. for all the highclass dubai is know to be this is very poor service.

Just bought in East. Emaar confirms March in the system so far.

When I bought in November 2007 in West they confirmed March 2008 whereas North and East where only a few floors high. They lie straight into your face and when you turn round they laugh about us "valuable" customers.

OK, we all know and accept their ignorance. But what is me pissing off most is the fact that the Quays were launched first - only thereafter the Golf Towers, Fairways, Park Island and Promenade. And which one will be completed last? With the poorest interior finishing among the others? ...

Seriously doubt that Quays or Park Island will be finished until the very end of 2009. There is very little work going on in either of them - OK I know it's Ramadan but there are not many workers on site at any time during the day and PI only has a few at night - havn't seen any at night for the Quay's.

My suspicion is that the workers have been siphoned off by Emaar onto their more high visibility developments - Burj, Dubai Mall, Marina Mall etc.

So theres several angles that cause be the cause of the delay:

1) Property Markets too hot, developers are slowing down delivery. Market has slumped during Ramadan as expected. I suspect a flurry of activity after Eid

2) Developing the the water end of the east and north isnt as simple as they planned and so they are cautiously proceeding

3) Construction company is having contractual issues with Emaar..no one works till those are cleared.

Either which its going to be a waiting game. The sad part is the interior. Even though I plan to gut the place out there were higher expectations of one of the top developes in Dubai.

lets hope the rest of the emembers can give us updates on when the next brick is layed down.

What a house warming this delivery is going to get..:cheers:

AppleMac, you are even more pessimistic than me...or should I say realisitic...

For your info, according to an site engineer Emaar does not have the permission to work at night at the Quays.

However I have the feeling that they don't have the permission to work at all!

I agree, especially on Marina Mall they are really hundreds of workers day and night. Only the Quays is a very quiet place - day and night. Don't know why they do not proceed with North and East at all.

by end of this year i guess the construction work will on rightful place ...because of park towers handover !

Just heard another rumour that Emaar has tremendous financial difficulties. That could be one of the reasons why there is hardly any progress on the Quays and Park Island.

Does anybody know anything?

I dont think so.

Why only these projects so slow?

DCE

Just heard another rumour that Emaar has tremendous financial difficulties. That could be one of the reasons why there is hardly any progress on the Quays and Park Island.

Does anybody know anything?

I have heard they are having difficulty obtaining new financing. However as a company they are sound.

Just heard another rumour that Emaar has tremendous financial difficulties. That could be one of the reasons why there is hardly any progress on the Quays and Park Island.

Does anybody know anything?

It is just the share price that has fallen, nothing to do with construction contracts.

I think Imre is probably on the nail, DCE have a poor record in the marina.

Ok, I can only hope that the 51% share of Sk. Mo helps to remain sound...

Was trying to sell my appartment in the Quays, not so easy any more, obviously people start thinking and considering the date of completion...

nothing wrong with the Emaar, still one of the best company of UAE.

yeah, the best among the bad...


Sure, the private ones are even bigger gangsters.

what about the DCE ,lets see their projects:

23 Marina-maybe ok
Park Island-maybe ok
Marina Quays-slow progress
The Point-slow progress
The Torch-slow progress
Bay Central-very slow progress
Time Place-rubbish quality
Dreams-rubbish and still not handed over and nobody knows whats going on there

if you see another Emaar projects , they have good progress without the DCE:)

is there a way someone can get some pictures of the lobby?

30th Sept;
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3898/dsc00471gl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6452/dsc00477kt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Last floor !!!

A board picture would be great !!!

I have never seen any boards there, same as Park Island:)

UPDATE 03.10.

In West the appartments onfloors up to level 23 are completed and locked...
In 2 weeks 13 levels, that's not so bad...

But still no progress on East and North, not even the pier on North has topped out...

Hi Guys,
dirtyharry1, i think i missed you by 10 secs at the building today.
anyways, dirtyharry1 already told the good news about 23 floors completed, and i got to know that from tomorrow 1,200 workers are set to work in 2 shifts (day and night) in West tower only to complete the tower and have it for hand over.
currently, there are 500 workers working on north and East. last night around 2am i was passing by Quays and saw around 100 workers working on north tower with loads of lights...i was impressed and made my happy.

anyways, this is only wot i heard, i will sure pay loads of visits to make sure this is a fact not just some empty promises...

will keep you guys updated.

bertos, this sounds like a dream... from where did you get this information?

If they really work with that force with 500 to 1200 (!!) workers there has to be some substantial progress.

... and I will also intensify my inspections...:-)

Well,
the Security guard told me about it. he said there has been many complains from the owners.. and now they have a big plan to have them all done.
he wasnt sure about North and West hand over date thou..

lets see..

We still need to push for a separate handover for the West Tower though!

Thanks for the update, hope the source (security guy) is valid.. :)

Yes, every owner should call Emaar and insist on a separate handing over of West. Will go there again on Friday to see the progress.

I passed the site this morning and there were really more workers to see than some weeks ago.

and i got to know that from tomorrow 1,200 workers are set to work in 2 shifts (day and night) in West tower only to complete the tower and have it for hand over.
currently, there are 500 workers working on north and East. last night around 2am i was passing by Quays and saw around 100 workers working on north tower with loads of lights...i was impressed and made my happy.


well that didn't last long - last night the site was as quiet as a grave when I walked past. :ohno:

AppleMac, you are right, I passed the site at 0.30h and it was really quiet.

So maybe their socalled nightshift ends at 19.00h...:bash:

Will go there again on Friday.

Definately no work going on at night, although signs of progress during the day.

Took these this morning..

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l212/sids666/IMG_0001-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l212/sids666/IMG_0002-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l212/sids666/IMG_0007.jpg

Hi guys,

is there any progress at the construction site? Any news about the 1200 workers?

Thanks
Ossi

UPDATE 17.11.

On East they are busy with the second floor, the first part of the building is not completed either. On North nearly no progress.

Definitely not 1200 (and not 600) workers and definitely no work at night.

The appartments in West should be completed until floor 30, however lots of work to do on the common areas, pool area, lobby etc. In my opinion West could be completed by March/April.

Considering the very slow speed of the construction over the last few months I personally think that completion of the whole development will take another 1 year from now, if North will be completed ever!!

I live in the US and here we have numerous private shops that allow you to rent a private post box on a monthly basis. Some - especially the chains - have full mail services and will forward your accumulated mail to another address for you.

Is there any such private mailbox service in Dubai? Anyone know?

any body want to sale at a good discount?

UPDATE 24.10.

On East no signifant progress in sight, zero progress on North.
Also common areas without any progress.

According to a site engineer it might take another 12 months to complete East and North!! And EMAAR is still saying March 1st, 2009, haha! Only 4 months to go...

On East no significant progress in sight, zero progress on North.



I cannot even read the difference expressed in your statement .. thats such a shame with the development.. :(

Tightness, the difference is that at least a handful people are working on East whereas North looks like 6 months ago... nobody doing anything there.

Does any one know what is the average price/sq.mt in Quays West? Do you expect any interesting increase in next months?

Thanks.

31/10/2008 Update
Hi guys,

I paid a visit today and not much going on. West completed until 33, and all balcony are completed.

Very disappointing progress on the whole project.
the past 10 days they have managed to put the foundation of the swimming pool and is been said that it will be done by the end of Dec (pool Area).

please keep the complains going to Emaar as thats our only hope to force them hand over separately.

Yes, every owner has to complain bitterly at EMAAR, that is our only chance in order to increase their efforts and work forces!!!!!! Please send your letters of complain to EMAAR!!!!

Today the security told me that East and North will be completed in approx. 1 year... October 2009, that's what he has been told by his "chief". West is supposed to be completed by March, they want to keep track... Let us all hope for a separate handing over. Waiting for another complete year would be ridiculous and unfair to all West owners.

If you see the progress on the whole development (slow motion) even October 2009 seems very optimistic.

Where and how would you guys complain at Emaar? Is there any special address (called garbarge bin) or is they any special number you can dial in the IVR?

Send it to the guy that signed your letter stating the delay up to March 1st.

But please do it! The more complains the better. You and we alltogether can't do anything wrong with that. Insist on a separate handing over of Quay West. Why should its owners suffer from the delay of North and East? Why should we always renew our present rental agreements? These permanent delays ARE expensive!!!

Still trying to figure why? What is it now? Economy, Workers, bad cement, what?

if they explained why the dealy actually is ocurring i'd be a lot more relaxed.

Good question. For sure they do not tell the truth as usual.

Last time they said, East and North is the problem, the part extending above the water - no permission to build into the marina etc. Haha! And this statement more than 3 years after the launch!

Secondly they do not have the permission to work at night, for the Marina Mall, Park island etc. they obviuosly have the permission...Haha!

If you visit the job site there are simply not enough workers there - in comparison to other EMAAR job sites as mentioned above.

I can only repeat myself, West has to be handed over separately since there is absolutely no progress on North. Maybe they test first the process on North... don't know

hey guys i just called emaar customer service last night. they said that the reason for the delay is that they didn't have permission to build in the water but now they have the approval. i also asked that will they hand over west on its own they said no the entire project will be handed over together. i also asked what happens if it is delayed past march they said they could offer a different property or refund the money which at that point i laughed at the guys face and hung up the phone. so thats the latest update.

How can Emaar not have permission to build out over the water? the whole Marina is an Emaar planned development..

Who do they need permission from? - themselves?

If these idots really do not hand over West separately then the whole development is a great fuck up. It will not be ready before October 2009, maybe only in 2010 since on North ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going on.

Unfortunatel the property market in Dubai is completely down and developments like that with no defined completion date (or not even a suggested date) are even more difficult to sell. F..K!!!

Is the construction completley dead or is there some activity going on? West is pretty much done. What about east? Is there work going on? ...If east gets done, North will come up faster since the development is an exactly replica of east and so they would have gotten it straight by then.

Sure, a handful workers do something on East, but they have not even managed to complete the first level of the part extending over the water. And there are still 11 levels to go...

There is no work at night like on the other projects in the Marina, on North absolutely nothing is happening at all.

Once again, owners, please complain at Emaar!!! Better than doing nothing.

Hi all, i m new in the forum. Would it be possible to have some updated photos from North tower?

thanks!

Welcome!

if you look at the fotos of North 6 months ago you have the status quo... nothing has changed yet.

So wait ... what's the official handover date now? Is it still march ... or now October, as one mentioned above?

Does anyone know a trustworthy individual who can inspect an apartment in Dubai for a renewal?

Emaar still says (or lies) March 2009.

hi guys,
i went to Emaar on Thursday 6th Nov and complained for 1 hour, I told the lady at customer service desk, i shouted at her "dont tell me what i already been told 100 times, either get some1 who can give me some real update and true answer or i wont leave this room" anyways, after argument, she called another guy who came and explained that we, at hand Over dept (customer care), are only messengers, we hear form you and then pass the message/complain on to the project developer team who then get in touch with contractor to resolve any issue or complain.
he told me that we have had many complains form Quays West owners and their request for separate hand over have been submitted. We are waiting for response. he then told me the only issue Emaar and contractor is looking at is since West tower is residential and the whole Quays is one project (north, East and West), the idea of handing over separate is not safe as the construction will have alot of workers and dangerous jobs to do, in case of any problem West will be at risk and danger, thats why we are thinking of it very careful to provide real home for owners with no disturbance or danger... then i said, well, there is a very easy solution to this for Emaar, since Emaar doesn't care about its customers and Quays West owners, just write a letter that for any owner its his/her responsibility to move in and let those who want to move it sign it and then get on with their lives at their own risk...

Anyways, the guy said, just keep the complains coming in, hopefully they approve it for separate hand over if they can confirm the safety...

So, guys, please keep complaining by writing letter if you are not in Dubai, and if you are around, keep visiting Emaar office and complain right there...

lets hope we get it it approved, otherwise THERE IS NOWAY that we get our houses in 2009...

bertos, you are absolutely right. Today I went to the site with a project engineer who is doing simliar projects in the marina. He could only laugh when he saw the progress of North and East, considering also the numbers of workers that we could see.
He personally thinks that they need minimum 1 year to complete the entire development, most probably not before early 2010.

So Emaar will for sure win the price for the slowest towers within its portfolio.
But as usual they don't care and they don't stop lying straight into your face.

Hi guys, do you know what is the shortest time Emaar has to advice us before the delay again the hand over of the apartments? was around 3-4 months before when the hand over was expected to happen at September.....

What will happen with the extra-months of rent that we will have to pay to our current landlords...is Emaar considering this? Any change to claim for it?

carbajal,
they usualy let us know 1 month before the given deadline, so by Feb they'll tell us either they hand over the apartment or extra delay...
there is compensation as per the contract but who knows... its Emaar, they can deny anything they signed off (UAE resident visas??), but claim anything to their benefit..

Very very dark times ahead for our geography. I hate to bring in the gloom..but things arent looking good for now. Were talking minimum of 3 yrs before recovery.

This project may take longer then we expect. Emaar's going broke just like Nakheel and the rest.

UPDATE 14.11.

Little progress on West, still 6 floors to be completed. They asked a different company to do the pool area and it should be finished within 8 weeks. However the pool will look quite different from the brochure, it will be a simple rectangle along the tower, so in any case, there will be no sun, but it looks quite large. According to the site engineers that were there when I was in on Friday they expect to complete West by April/May incl. parking and pool area.

Very little progress on North, little bit more progress on East, they started inside on the part that has been there for months. They didn't have a clou when East and North could be ready but they estimated 9-12 months from now on.

Don't stop complaining at Emaar!!

Thanks for the update dirtyharry - next Fri I will come with you.

One question - in your guys observation, do all floors - all units have the same color of interior wood?

OK, Tightness, will do so.

No, there are 2 slightly different colours, very dark brown (most of the appartments) and walnut (only some appartments), but no light colour. Both available colours do look quite nice.

Ok, I hope that my apartment has the dark wood. For me it would be a shame if it is the bright wood as all my other interior is dark wood.

Another thing guys, work on the site is quite inconsitent: When I passed the Quay North tower on the night from Fri to Sat at 1m in the morning, the crane was operating there, thus people worked at night!

The North tower is now as high as 10 floors, however only half - the other half, the one over the water is certainly not started yet..

Hi guys,
let me know what time, ill be there too.

Shoot, I cannot make this Fri, am out of town!

Let's say 12.00h in at the main entrance.

Can I join you guys? Kinda new to the forum.

Sure, everybody is welcome...

UPDATE 21.11.

Little progress on East, the first part has reached its final height of 12 floors, the second part above the water has reached floor 2. The structure steel elements for the roof are on the ground, should be installed next week.

Have not seen any progress on North.

Same with West. Have seen floors 7 and 28, much work to do, also very much work left on common areas and surroundings.

Some appartments in West are being offered in the magazines with completion date June and July 2009. Since bloody Emaar is still telling you March 2009 those dates must be suggested dates by the owners or property agents.

Keep on complaining aat bloody Emaar!

Hi all,
i had a call form Emaar customer care on Thursday, the guy said, due to the amount of complains we have recieved from West owners asking for seprate hand over, we have put together a case and sent to the project management team for real update.
By Sunday23rd Nov-Monday24th nov we will call you to tell you if West can be handed over separately or not. i cannot give you date but i can only try to answer this question.

lets see.
KEEP Complaining...

Hi all,
i received a call form Emaar customer care on Thursday about the 20th case i opened with them and i clearly said "what Emaar is doing with People is HARAM", the guy said, due to the amount of complains we have received from West owners asking for seprate hand over, we have put together a case and sent to the project management team for real update.
By Sunday23rd Nov-Monday24th nov we will call you to tell you if West can be handed over separately or not. i cannot give you date but i can only try to answer this question.

lets see.
KEEP Complaining...

bertos, let us wait and see... hope to hear from you soon here...

One is for sure, East and especially North will not be completed within the next 6 to 9 months.

^^Hello - I am your neighbour from Bay Central.

Looks like we are all having issues with delivery dates.

Maybe we should all jointly complain to RERA?

Hey guys, how did you complain with EMAAR, calling customer centre or by sending the letter...

Not only by phone, you must send a letter if you are not living in Dubai.

Hi Guys

I am new to this forum but have been following your posts daily for the past couple of weeks.

After several attempts to speak to someone at Emaar who has some real answers I managed to get in touch with the Project Coordinator of Marina Quays at Emaar. When I spoke to him last week he said that they were trying their best to get a separate handover date for Quay West. However, I received a call from him yesterday confirming that there is no chance the West will be handed over separately, and that there will definitely be a delay (something we have all known for a while). We should be getting our letters within the next couple of weeks confirming the new completion date. He said this will be a realistic date and there should be no further delays after this. Worst case scenario he said is December 2009, but he thinks sooner. Judging by the slow progress on site I can't see this happening before December next year. As for compensation, he said we may or may not get some. It will all be confirmed in our letters.

Apparently, the West cannot be handed over separately because the Marina Quays development is viewed as one project and therefore the DM will not issue any certificates until the whole development is complete. Also the fire alarm system is linked with the North and East. This is ridiculous as I am sure if they really wanted to separate the West, there could be ways around it. It just requires some effort from Emaar which they are clearly not willing to put in. I still think West owners should keep pushing for a separate handover!!

hi,
i still haven't received a call no emial yet.
will update here as soon as i hear from Emaar.

rgs,

I have also been at Emaar this morning, they admitted that March 2009 is no longer possible (aha!), it might be another 6 months delay however maximum January 2010 (!!!!). I was shouting and complaining that this is seriously expensive for all owners since you cannot move in, sell it or rent it out.

When I asked him why this is the slowest development in the entire marina with the poorest work force he was only laughing and I nearly killed that bastard. They do not care about their customers at all.

Their shares have dropped to 2.75 AED so this company is worth fuck all... there must be a reason behind this...

So the appartments in West will be completed and have to wait for 2010 to be handed over, so everybody should expect a lousy quality because it will be already 1 year old when you receive it...what a bloody joke!

I have also been at Emaar this morning, they admitted that March 2009 is no longer possible (aha!), it might be another 6 months delay however maximum January 2010 (!!!!). I was shouting and complaining that this is seriously expensive for all owners since you cannot move in, sell it or rent it out.

When I asked him why this is the slowest development in the entire marina with the poorest work force he was only laughing and I nearly killed that bastard. They do not care about their customers at all.

Their shares have dropped to 2.75 AED so this company is worth fuck all... there must be a reason behind this...

So the appartments in West will be completed and have to wait for 2010 to be handed over, so everybody should expect a lousy quality because it will be already 1 year old when you receive it...what a bloody joke!

Wow..that's certainly terrible news. I was thinking of purchasing at the Quays but ended up getting a unit at Park Island instead (which I'm crossing my fingers for a mid 2009 completion date).

I'm definitely pulling for you guys and do hope you guys get a seperate handover. Just keep complaining to EMAAR and best of luck to you all.

UPDATE 28.11.

No visible progress at all...

I have also been at Emaar this morning, they admitted that March 2009 is no longer possible (aha!), it might be another 6 months delay however maximum January 2010 (!!!!). I was shouting and complaining that this is seriously expensive for all owners since you cannot move in, sell it or rent it out.

When I asked him why this is the slowest development in the entire marina with the poorest work force he was only laughing and I nearly killed that bastard. They do not care about their customers at all.

Their shares have dropped to 2.75 AED so this company is worth fuck all... there must be a reason behind this...

So the appartments in West will be completed and have to wait for 2010 to be handed over, so everybody should expect a lousy quality because it will be already 1 year old when you receive it...what a bloody joke!

sorry about that...!!! shocking how the staff was laughing

3am in the morning now and I can see a truck and a crane working on the water pile on the East tower!

Dunno what they are going to do but sometimes there are also positive surprises! (way too seldom though!)

:banana:

EDIT: I think they are simply pumping water out of the digged hole, this is what the sound suggests...

Looking over to Silverene tower, I could at least 40-60 workers working full time with this well-lit lights and flashes. It makes me jealous.. :(

Looking over to Silverene tower, I could at least 40-60 workers working full time with this well-lit lights and flashes. It makes me jealous.. :(

:banana::banana:

Tell me more.

Well yeah, nothing that I could describe with my non-technical knowledge. It just seems to be a full on-going working site with 8-10 floodlights, dozens of workers and furthermore I can simply progress as opposed to the Quays .. :(

02/December/2008

Marina Quays

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Thanks Imre for the pictures..

In this regard:

I simply don't understand why work on the North Tower for the part that is above the water (East started it) hasn't begun yet. Initial learnings from the East tower is there .. SO PLEASE F^%$@ START WORKING ON THE NORTH TOWER!!!

I doubt that completion will be within 2009... Emaar is short of cash...

I agree...I'm afraid the Quays won't be completed probably not until 1st or 2nd qtr of 2010 at the earliest. And I think that's an aggressive / optimistic completion schedule.

Guys, I have to disagree with your pessimistic predictions. The work on the other pier has begun and if you look at it now the pile caps are broken and the rebar is coming out of the ground.
Having in mind that they are doing snagging in the West tower which means 99% of work completed, the other two should not take that long.
Couple of days ago I talked to the new resident engineer on site who took over recently. It came up that we know each other from before so I believe that he was very honest with me. He said that he resolved all the major issues like permissions for the piers and Dewa issues with a substation.
New small building for the substation has been built already in front of the East tower.
His rough estimate was that everything should be ready for handover latest September 2009 if not earlier.
He also said that the contractor doesn't have any problems with payments from EMAAR and that they are building one floor per week on the North tower.
Very soon they will start the same on the East tower.

So guys, don't panic, I know that this whole outcome with Marina Quays was very frustrating so far, but at least we bought properties in the great development in the middle of the marina.
Having in mind that this development WILL BE DEFINITELY COMPLETED, which unfortunately cannot be stated for many projects these days, I think we shouldn't be worried that much.
All of the above doesn't mean that we should stop complaining and putting pressure on EMAAR. At the end of the day they f..... up big time.

Cheers

I doubt that completion will be within 2009... Emaar is short of cash...


dont need to worry about of this, they can do it in 2009.

Guys just need a quick clarification..i seem to get mixed messages..which is the east tower and which is the north??
Thanks

East is the tower in the middle. North consequently the left tower...

Any news from Emaar? I am in Germany at the moment...

nothing from Emaar...however drove by last night.. had two cement mixers working on the road and floodlights and construction working on the water section of 'east'. Drove by the next morning and it was empty again. Seem to be working mostly in the night there. Currently working on the 3rd floor and setting up for the fourth on the east as well. North is dead excpet for a couple of construction workers scutlling around the inner sections.

My God, dont know why they have stopped working on North.

Will check this Friday West, the podium, pool etc. Maybe they have done something there.

Hi guys,
we went to West tower yesterday and MINOR work was done on lower floors.

still not finished yet.

but i managed to get Project manager and Project Engineer mobile phone, i am calling them for updates, i suggest everyone do the same in order to apply pressure on them too.

project eng : 050 8634307
project manager: 050 6328083

Have they even officially announced a new completion date??

Hi guys,
we went to West tower yesterday and MINOR work was done on lower floors.

still not finished yet.

but i managed to get Project manager and Project Engineer mobile phone, i am calling them for updates, i suggest everyone do the same in order to apply pressure on them too.

project eng : 050 8634307
project manager: 050 6328083

I bet this guy will change his phone number soon with the number of calls he will be receiving. :nuts:

bertos, I tried to call the guys, but no answer.

Did you manage to talk to them? Any news?

I have to leave my present appartment in April 2009, so do I have to rent further 6 months until September 2008 or further 12 months until March 2009?

Hopefully Emaar is considering to pay compensation from March 2009 on...
This bloody delay has a serious impact moneywise...

maybe. then i will get their new phone numbers as soon as they change.

they piss us off, we piss them off back.

Dirtyharry,
i just spoke to the project engineer and told me that Inshalah MArch 2009 will be separate hand over for West tower but he said all depends on Emaar.
he didnt confirm anything he kept saying Inshalah separate hand over in March for west.

i am not sure how much i can believe his words. but one thing he confirmed that problem is not DEWA or Municipality for separate hand over, its all depends on Emaar decision....
GUYS plz keep the complains coming in plz plz plz

Thanks bertos, I just sent another letter of complain to Emaar and I will go there next week.

In my opinion, if they could complete the structure of East by March and if there is only the internal work to do there it would not bother the West owners/tenants. And North is quite a distance away from West. Of course the podium, parking and pool area should be completed as well.

Will check the site tomorrow.

Guys, keep on complaining and insisting on separate hand over...

UPDATE 12.12.2008

West

They started cleaning and snagging... only the first 4 floors incl.ground floor need to be completed, they will do that upon completion of the remaining floors.

The pool deck should be completed by the end of January, it seems to be very large.


East

They started with the windows on floor 2... the part in the water has reached floor 4, last night there was a handful workers, strange.

By the way why is it stated here that East and North will have 12 floors?
It should have 10 whereas 9 and 10 are duplex penthouses. And according to the security they will start with the roof within 2 weeks.


North

The pier has topped out... otherwise no progress.


Villas

the villas at West are completed, just the area in front of them is not ready.

The villas in between and to the road are nearly completed, the kitchen and bathrooms are missing, but maybe they complete them along with East and North.


Parking

Parking is nearly completed, I had a walk through all the decks, looks very good and spacious.


West could be completed in March...

I received an email from Emaar regarding my complains, they said, West is still scheduled to be completed in March... but no answer reg, earlier handing over.

Keep on complaining, guys!

Hi Dirty Harry,

Thanks for the great update! When you say that the villas facing the road are nearly completed (apart from the bathrooms and kitchen) do you mean the finishing has been completed, i.e. flooring, tiles, light switches, painting, etc? Also are the villas facing the Marina completely ready with finished bathrooms, kitchens, etc?

Cheers.

Yes, the villas at West are completed and the doors are locked...

The villas facing the road and in between East and North also have doors, but they are open, painting and tiling etc. is completed, only bathrooms and kitchen need to be installed. They could make them easily ready by March. However I do not know whether they will do so since those villas are very close to East and North where the construction will go on for a while...minimum for another 6 months.

Hi,
its seems like Municipality issue is resolved for west as i saw one apartment on 17th Floor with all the lights on the other night.
is it a good sign or not a big deal?

keep complaining plz.

That was me... doing inspection:lol:

Don't know whether it is good sign or not...

I am that excited for Emaar's letter...!!!!

ahh. lol:lol:

Emaar needs money, West is rdy...something should happen.

Passing East yesterday at midnight, I saw app 15 people (which is a lot for Quays) only working on the floor extension of the water part.

Quays has such weird shifts....

Passed again the site around midnight and I saw the crane was working on East Tower ... some action does happen even though it could be MUCH MORE.

Its like they are constructing in secrecy.....Wouldnt constructing in the day be a lot easier? Cause um you can see more? Won't this not affect the quality of work/finish?

You think maybe they are using a team from a day project to come and work on the Quay East for the night on something like alternate day shits?

Guess all we can do speculate....

I will do the midnight check now every night when I come home from work.

I had an extensive walk today along the site just before noon. I must admit that there is much more work and activity than I have ever seen before (ok, that was easy:bash:). There are trucks with tiles etc. entering and leaving, they do snagging and cleaning on West from outside and they also do some work on the ground floor on West.

On East they have completed floor no. 4 (on the part above the water), starting now with floor 5. If they go on like that the structure of East could be ready in March - "only" 6 floors to do...

I am wondering why we have nothing received from Emaar yet since the last information was a delay up to March 1st, 2009 - so only 10 weeks left...

Maybe they are really considering a handover in March for West? And hence they are concentrating on East because of the distance to West? Am I dreaming?

By the way I have read the following in another thread here (Palm Jebel Ali):

As of the end of 2008, if your off-plan property is not registered on the Interim Real Estate Register you will not be able to sell it and RERA agents will not be allowed to market it, and technically your agreement with the developer will be null and void. (Article 3, Law 13)
If you purchase an off-plan property after December 31st 2008 you will have to ensure it is registered otherwise the purchase can be construed as being null and void. (Article 3, Law 13)
It is the developer, not the owner, who must register an off-plan property. If you own an off-plan property and have not already done so contact your developer ASAP to make sure it has been registered. (Article 3, Law 13)

Obviously that is also affecting Marina Quays. Any input?

It would be so cool if someone had a camera living near by that couuld capture the site at the very same angle on a bi weekly basis..would give us a good perspective of the progress atleast on east and north.

It would be so cool if someone had a camera living near by that couuld capture the site at the very same angle on a bi weekly basis..would give us a good perspective of the progress atleast on east and north.
IMRE - IS YOUR MAN FOR THAT !
PERHAPS IF YOU WISH HE WILL COME?

First, I would like to thank you for all the update information and site photos. Excellent.
I am living in Jordan and have bought an apartment at Quay West. I have sent several tough e-mails to Emaar complaining about the handover delay. I told Emaar that their office in Jordan has tried to sell me a property in Jordan, but never again from Emaar, I raised hill to them and told them that Emaar cannot continue trapping people. I will make sure that everybody knows about our story with Emaar.

Emaar has called me yesterday and have tried to explain the reasons for the delay…all rubbish …and they have apologized for the delay as it is beyond their control. I was very mad and have told them to fire the customer service manager hence no need for this position as Emaar do not provide any service to their customers.

The conclusion that Emaar will not handover the West separately on Mar. 1, 2009. I have learned that a possible delay of 6 – 9 moths. Emaar is considering compensating us for the delay.

Please keep complaining so Emaar may take this issue seriously and make the necessary site arrangements so they may change their decision and handover the Wes separately.

Thank you for your input. Did you get that information about the delay of West of 6-9 months from Emaar? This would mean handover in December 2009... 1 more year! It is important that we share such information...

The information was given to me by Emaar on the phone as expected delay. They told me that they will confirm the exact date during Jan. 2009

I think you guys have good reasons to complain, but you should have better reasons for understanding. Dubai has many delays but still is a very fast growing city. I doubt Emaar has great advantages delaying the delivery and their certainly set up a customer service (which only a few developers have) not to collect complaints but to better serve. By acting this way you will just end up putting pressure which will result in a poorer finishing.

We are complaining mainly because bloddy Emaar is delaying the project by 1,5 years! And whenever you call them they still lie straight into your face! In Europe they would have to go to jail for that kind of delay and giving false information.

The people have to rent for the time being, do you know the costs of that? You have to pay the rent AND the installments to your bank... furthermore the property is not sellable since no one knows the date of completion...

I have already paid f^$%! 120k Dhs (2x 6 months rent) due to the delay. There are <b>many</b> people out there who bought for living in the apartments. And for the ones who are not, it is huge opportunity costs!!

20/December/2008

Marina Quays

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22/December/2008

Silverene and Marina Quays from the Marina Mall terrace

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So obviously they have reached floor 5 on East, only 5 more to complete...

But North looks still the same. For the 10 floors they will need minimum 3 to 4 months (if they start now!) plus interior 3 months, so I expect completion not before August/September 2009.

Guys, after a long fight and many emails and phone calls finally some one got back to us which is very surprising but upsetting too.

Dear XXXXX,


Thank you for your email dated 10-December-08. We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued loyalty to Emaar and assure you of the highest standards of service at all times.


Please note that we are expecting further delay on the project and we will be start contacting our customers to provide them with an update on the project by beginning of January 2009.


We have asked our Projects Department to split the project and if we can Handover the West tower to the customers as its can be ready by the Handover date of the Project.


Emaar projects team have undertaken a comprehensive study to split the project in order to hand over the West Tower in advance, but the study reveals that Authorities are reluctant to approve this trend and most importantly we will not be able to operate the promised residents' facilities if this split occurs.



Please feel free to contact us on the below listed contact details for any further assistance you may require.



Kind regards,


Emaar Properties PJSC

P.O.Box 9440,

Dubai

United Arab Emirates

tel +971.4.3661688

fax +971.4.3673719

phd@emaar.ae

www.emaar.com

P.S.
please try and keep your hopes up so we can get west handed over separately. If we can convince them that we just want our apartment and don't care for the facilities now. Please all contact this guy and do the final push

Strange way to construct a building. Build one half and support it on falsework then construct the other half, stitching it together as you go.

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UPDATE 01.01.2009

East
They have completed nearly floor 6, they started also with the internal work in that part of East - so 4,5 floors to do... I guess, East could be completed within 3-4 months.

North
The pier has finally topped out... don't know why they are so unbelievabley slow there. I think North will take another 6-8 months.

Podium
They have started with the cladding/glass structure of the podium at the road side. Obviously it will exactly look like the Al Sahab podium.

West
Lobby and gymnasium will be done last...

I think they will give us September/October as completion date...

My contract says March 2008, so 1.5 years delay so a compensation would be more than justified.

Happy New Year to everyone everywhere and best wishes from Germany.

Hi Dirtyharry,

thank you for your updates. Please keep us informed.
Wir hoffen du bist auch ohne Feuerwerk gut "reingerutscht" :cheers::nuts::hahaha:

Danke! Wünsch ich euch auch!

Ja, war seltsam hier... aber die haben halt nen Knall.

dirtyharry1: "My contract says March 2008, so 1.5 years delay so a compensation would be more than justified."

Much as I agree with the sentiment, unfortunately your contract doesn't state any such compensation - beyond Emaar offering to buy it back off you for the original price plus meagre interest - so there won't be any.

jodbar, unfortunately I know...

By the way, DCE and their security has received written instruction (I read it myself) from Emaar not to grant any appartment owners access to the jobsite... otherwise the security will be fired...

According to the security Emaar has received too many complains from owners that do not believe them anymore with regards to completion dates after the owners had visited the site...so they want to hide the poor progress...

Indeed. Emaar, like most other developers in Dubai, have yet to learn that Customer Service means more than being polite on the phone. As the downturn kicks in and competition makes its mark, they will gradually learn to mask their more blatant lies more effectively. In time, they may even come to realise that long term benefits accrue from treating their customers with respect, and entrusting them with real information. However, I suspect that particular dream will be a long time coming.

Hi guys,
i have been contacted by Emaar handover department senior executive manager and i was told that since nothing is written in the contract as penalty or compensation, there might not be anything given to the owners, but the managers and the board of directors are studying the market and might come up with something that help our customers for the further delay. but again, it could be nothing or something. nothing is promised.

i am just tired of being angry and fed up with the whole issue, hope they make it up to us for this further delay which i doubt it.

Yes, obviously they changed the contracts, in the older ones there was indeed compensation mentioned, now they are only prepared to buy back the property at the original price, haha.

My bet: completion date October 1st, 2009.

My bet : November-December 2009

bertos, you are spoiling my day:bash:

I might leave bloody Dubai before I can collect the keys...

Fukc .. West handover then it is which I have to start dreaming again .. thought everything speeded up a bit .. ?

I saw from the Marina Mall ,just few workers there , they need more to finish in this year.

We are complaining mainly because bloddy Emaar is delaying the project by 1,5 years! And whenever you call them they still lie straight into your face! In Europe they would have to go to jail for that kind of delay and giving false information.

The people have to rent for the time being, do you know the costs of that? You have to pay the rent AND the installments to your bank... furthermore the property is not sellable since no one knows the date of completion...



i have been informed it will be Dec 2009....

bertos, you are spoiling my day:bash:

I might leave bloody Dubai before I can collect the keys...

I will most probably join your club.
we are fed up already and have every reason to leave this place anytime soon.

Actually I have always been keen to move into West since I am of the opinion that it is in a prime location and it is a nice and interesting concept...

But Emaar makes it difficult to maintain our patience...

hi guys, been reading all ur posts with interest, and their me thinking, was i the only one going mad in my silence.

I brought my quays apartment back in 2005 in east and still not ready.

Lol i signed up b4 the boom, waited, boom gone and still not ready. 75% tied for years now.

I had an offer the other day 2 sell it for 2.35m net, but refused it heavens knows y. I suppose i just believe it will be amazing place and the location is excellent. I have 2 bed in east marina view. I just dont think once all is done and marina is in its full glory and all is well again, i will be able to find a property like the quays with the yacht club around the corner at the price i got it for. Anywhere around the world like an area like marina and place like dubai will cost close to million sterling. Just my opinion

I was looking at the property yesterday and east has abt 8 floors now, but i think december 09 probably realistic, they had few workers working at 11pm.

regards

Welcome ranches!!!

No, you are for sure not the only one going banana!

When I passed the site yesterday afternoon they have completed level 6 on East, so 4 floors to go. They are working also on the interior of the more or less completed section, some windows are there on the lower floors. The structure of East should be ready within 2-3 months if they proceed as in the past few months.

Big big problem is still North... only yesterday they started with the scaffolding since the pier is ready. But that part will take another 6 months for the structure.

Im going check out the Dubai marina mall 2 day, as u all know its right opposite the quays. If you go on youtube and type in dubai marina mall, someone has done recording of the inside of the mall and just before he goes insides takes recording of outside surroundings. You can see the quays very clearly right opposite.

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hi, went to the mall yesterday, not bad its ok. i went on the 4th floor and onto the cafe terrace. Quays direct opposite with JBR and all other apartments right behind. Looked amazing in the night with bright lights. Once completed it will look amazing, the quays that is.

However i been offered 2.4m for it now, what u guys think i should do, keep it or self it. I am not financially needy so can survive without selling.

Its an investment for me and if price hits 4m i sell it for sure, but like i said it looks amazing. i got 2 bed east 1246 sqft full marina view

To sell in that tough crisis would be stupid... sorry to say that - unless you need the money.

Wait for completion, by that time (October?) the crisis should be over and since the Quays are a unique development in a prime location prices will raise sincerely.

Just passed the site, there is no progress that needs to be mentioned.
Maybe next Friday...

or the friday after or after or after:nuts:

Have you been to the marina mall and seen the view from the 4th floor of the quays and JBR behind it.

Pretty kool

Sure, I have been there. If they ever complete the Quays, it will look quite impressive...

hi, went to the mall yesterday, not bad its ok. i went on the 4th floor and onto the cafe terrace. Quays direct opposite with JBR and all other apartments right behind. Looked amazing in the night with bright lights. Once completed it will look amazing, the quays that is.

However i been offered 2.4m for it now, what u guys think i should do, keep it or self it. I am not financially needy so can survive without selling.

Its an investment for me and if price hits 4m i sell it for sure, but like i said it looks amazing. i got 2 bed east 1246 sqft full marina view
Sell it at 2000 aed psf its amazing price - you can buy elsewhere in MARINA at very good prices completed at 1300 to 1500 aed psf i,m sorry to say -
I just don't have the cash to do that right now or i would - things will be better by this time next year when Quays is handed over but doubt if it will be over 2000 aed psf then even

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Has anybody received anything from Emaar?

By the way, have just passed the site, on East floor 7 is completed (only 3 to go...), on North they have completed the scaffolding between the first part and the pier, so they will start with the base section of the second part very soon. At least there is some progress...

Guys there is still some hope for separate handover. I talked to the guy from EMAAR today asking him to check what is the system showing for the Marina Quays. He said that it is showing 01 March 09 for the West Tower. Firstly I was sure that the information is not updated and that is the one from before. But then when I asked him to check for East or North he said that there is no date yet for the other two.
So maybe they updated the system for the West coz they are planing to hand it over in March.
Fingers crossed, it seems that there are still some chances for March.
Lets see...

Well, with the current progress they make on the East Tower they could complete its structure by end of February - 3 floors are left. If they have completed the upper side of the podium by then as well potential residents in West would not be so much affected by the ongoing work - interior and fassade on East and structure on North which is relatively far away...

Yes, the chances are there... maybe not March but April or May for West.

Will call tomorrow to push for seperate handover again!

My God, whenever I call them, I get different answers.

I called them 5 min. ago and the following information was given to me:

1. For all 3 towers (!) the date of completion remains March 1st, 2009.

2. A separate hand over for West is in general possible, but of course nothing confirmed.

3. Latest by January 31st we will receive either an updated completion date or the confirmation of the existing date plus an invitation for the home orientation tour...

As expexted I do not know more than before that call...

Nevertheless I sent them again a letter in order to push for separate hand over!

Progress on this project is dismal as is the contractor DCE. They don't seem to care about their reputation for being late. The men are lined up on the footway after 4pm in the afternoon waiting for their buses.

There is no overtime on this project despite the delays and perfect construction weather.

12 Jan 09
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There is still a lot of work required to finish this project by end of this year.

Frankly, I have no faith in DCE to acheive the year end completion.

To some investors with finacial problems this may come as welcome news allowing them to hold on to a life line.

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^^

Well done, m2. I have just slightly adapted your wording and I will hand over my letter on Sunday.

Tomorrow I will go to the site for an inspection... as painful as it will be...

UPDATE 16.01.09

West
Today (!!) there were several groups of workers doing the marble floor in the lobby/reception, all other areas and floors with common facilities are already tiled (floors 1, 2 and 3). According to the security there will be every friday now these groups doing interior.

Podium
Next week they start tiling the pool. However the upper podium looks quite strange since it is not an even area, the walls of the pool are quite high... ok, have to wait for the completion and how it will look like.
Outside panelling with glass is done 50%.

East
Level 7 completed, last night there were also a few workers there. Structure should be completed within 2 months, then fassade and interior.

North
They started with the basement plate on the scaffolding. Subject to same speed as on East the structure should be ready within 4-5 months, then fassade and interior...

Villas
They have started with the kitchens, bathrooms etc are still missing, but the villas could be completed very soon, maybe within 4 weeks.

For the entire development I still guess October 2009. Park Island has been delayed from March to July 2009.

Thanks for comprehensive update, have to join you in the next weeks!

Guys the answer from EMAAR is not very promising, it seems that they really don't care for the customers at all

.....

Thank you for your email, received on 15th January’ 2009 addressed to Mr. Ahmed Al Falasi, Executive Director, Property Management who has read your letter with much concern and has asked that I respond to you accordingly. First, I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for your continued commitment to Emaar and for choosing “Dubai Marina” as the location of your home in Dubai.

Please be advised that there is a expected delay in the handover date of Marina Quays and an update on the new handover date will be communicated to all customers very soon. Please note the West tower cannot be handed over earlier than the other towers, as all the towers are linked and would not receive the necessary regulatory approvals to do so.

Whilst we regret the delay, due entirely to circumstances outside our control, we have done as much we could to keep our customer informed and we will continue to do so as we refer to Section 3, Clause 3.2 of the Agreement of Sale duly signed by you whereas “The Vendor shall within 12 months prior to the Estimated Completion Date advise the Purchaser of the designated completion date for completion of construction and handover of the Unit (the “Completion Date”). The Vendor may at its option on notice to the Purchaser given prior to one (1) month before the Completion Date extend the Completion Date to such dates as advised by the Vendor from time to time…”

Notwithstanding the notification we do anticipate that purchasers will be invited for Home Orientation prior to the latest completion date with the actual handover date being subject to the snagging process.

Should your apartment not be delivered within the grace period provided under your contract, then you have the right to issue the Vendor with a termination notice, and all monies paid will be returned with interest. Please refer to the clause 11 of Agreement of Sale for further clarification.

Therefore, based on the above, we regret that we cannot accede to your request for compensation due to the delay in completion however we assure you that we will endeavor to deliver your property with minimum inconvenience.

I trust this clarifies our position and once again thank you for taking the time to write to us and giving us the opportunity to better serve you. Should you require any additional assistance or information, please feel free to contact us on our toll free 800 Emaar (36227).


Kind Regards,


Annahita Baria

Executive - Property Handover

Emaar Dubai
PO Box 9440
Dubai
United Arab Emirates


Tel +971.4.3661688
Toll free 800 EMAAR (36227)
Fax +971.4.3673719
phd@emaar.ae
www.emaar.com

I bet my ass that the key person has not read your letter...

Today I could manage to talk to the project department, to the guy who is handling Quays. He said firstly, that he is not allowed to talk to owners but nevertheless he admitted that West will be ready in March, in February they will do the snagging works there. He also said that they proceed very well and much faster than in the past - which is easy by the way...

He also admitted that Emaar does not necessarily hast to hand over the towers altogether however the responsible "authorities" have to approve that and same has not gone through yet. But next week we should receive an update.

We all know exactly what we will receive... completion date not before September/October 2009... Ah, and he said that Emaar would be prepared to buy back my appartment at the original price from 2005. Very nice. Unfortunately I bought in late 2007.

What do we learn from that? Never buy again in Dubai.

Are you guys sending emails or letters? I guess letters are a better way to be "read", correct?

Can you please tell me how many more floors are to be added to the central tower here from the last picture?

Charlie: Which central tower? The one in the middle is called "East" Tower and it is topped out.

(Are you mixing up the development with Bay Central? There they use the term "central" tower, just to avoid confusion)

^^Tightness i mean the lower overhang. It is 12 floors according to the title here but only 7 are poured. I understand that often towers start with strange floor numbering. What I wanted to know was are there any more levels to be added to the present height? You are saying its topped out, fantastic news for me. Thank you.

charlie, the forum states 12 floors , but drawings at the job site state and show 11 floors for East and North, according to Emaar website actually floors 9 and 10 should be duplex penthouses, so I dont know what floor 11 should be, maybe for air condition etc... but definitely not 12 floors.

On East the part on the ground has topped out (11 floors), on the second part floor 8 should be ready by the end of this week, subject to same speed the entire structure should be completed within the next 6-8 weeks.
They started already with the cladding and windows.

On North they are busy with the basement section of the second part, maybe it will take them another 4-5 months to complete the structure.

Well, yeah, for this development dirtyharry is arguably THE person to talk to when it is about deployment! :)

20/January/2009

Marina Quays

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Thanks Tightness, but I would prefer doing some furniture shopping for my appartment during DSF... maybe next year?:bash:

UPDATE 23.01.09

West
Marble floor in lobby area nearly completed, Garbage room incl. lift, electrical room etc completed. Sliding doors will be installed next week. Again there were groups of workers doing interior and snagging. Should be completed within 6-8 weeks. Gym and bathrooms are tiled.

Entrance area
They started with a large fountain behind the security building and with some interlocks. Also soil for the flowers has been prepared... This area could turn out very nice.

Villas
Kitchens are nearly completed, only appliances in kitchen and bathrooms are missing, all internal walls are painted in yellow/beige. Could be completed within 2-3 weeks.

East
Floor 8 nearly completed. Good progress here... structure could be ready within 4-6 weeks. All drawings in the building show 11 floors (duplex penthouses and appartments with large balconies)

North
Still busy with basement plate. Unbelievable tons of material prepared on the ground between East and North. Structure could be completed within 4 months.

Podium and parking lots
Pool area will be tiled next week. Should be ready according to security within 4 weeks. Parking completed.


It would be really a pity if West will be completed within 6-8 weeks and we cannot move in because we have to wait another 6 months for the bloody North Tower...

Now there is progress to see every week...

I am wondering that Emaar is waiting until the very last day for their update letter resp. delay letter. It has to be announced 4 weeks prior to the expected completion date which is still March 1st. So by January 31st we should receive that bloody letter... next week!

Emaar always wait until the very last moment to inform. Referring to their letter to M2 "we have done as much we could to keep our customer informed". Presumably a joke. Correctly, this should read "we have done as little to keep our customers informed as we can get away with under the terms of the contract" ... and yes, they will "continue to do so". And as we all know this not an angry customer's exaggeration but simply a statement of fact. Emaar if you're listening, take note: you no longer have the luxury that customers will go for what product they can get. You will be forced by competition to get your act together, and you can start by trying to understand that 'customer service' means more than being polite on the phone. Tossers.

Emaar's shares are worth nothing right now (1.82 AED), that is the cheapest real estate and construction company in the world, actually that says it all...

From that point of view you must be happy if they complete the Quays at all!

They made a total fuck up with Downtown Dubai, if it will be ever completed it will be a ghosttown, at least this is not likely to happen in Dubai Marina and in my opinion the Marina is the best place to live here - despite the numerous job sites here.

Really? Why do you think Downtown will be a ghostown. Seems a most desirable place to live to me. FYI I live just over the way between Downtown & DIFC, but always reckoned you couldn't go wrong with Downtown (though I never invested there myself, much to my chagrin).

Don't get me wrong, I think Dubai Marina is exclellent too, particular with the added attraction of beach access which Downtown doesn't have. But the trouble with Marina is the huge number of apartments, particularly taking into account JBR; it's the sheer excess that brings prices down, though I still think long term it's a good bet.

Of course JBR is an eyesore and the place is too crowded with towers, but that is nothing against Downtown! And living there - near the largest useless mall - must be a nightmare.

So far everywhere in the world any waterfront development has profitted much more when the prices went up again - of course Dubai is very special but I am sure of that.

By the way I received several phonecalls from property agents to say good bye... prices are obviously getting down to the launch prices from years ago.
Even at launch prices there are no buyers. That is the reason why I am interested so much in rthe completion date of the Quays... At least I could live there...

By the way, stopping and cancelling new projects like Dubai Promenade is the only answer to balance demand and supply again.

Dear all,
I received official Email from Emaar hand over department about the new official hand over date. its set to be November 2009.
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Property Handover Department
"Thank you for writing to us with regards to the completion date of your property at Marina Quay.

We would once again like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued loyalty to Emaar and would like to assure you of our highest standards of service at all times.

Kindly note the handover date for Marina Quay has been revised to 1-Nov-09. The ‘Project Update’ letter informing you of the revised handover date will be sent in this week"
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Anyways, there will be no compensation or temporary accommodation given to anyone.
They are also aware of the cheap quality of the construction and interiors, their respond to this was " we changed two contractors within the last 3 years, so we expected such thing to happen"

Nov 2009 maybe ok, but they have to hurry!

F..K !!!!!!!!!

This is really a nightmare.

Never buy again in this bloody country.

F&$K! We have to lobby for seperate handover. This means, I have to extend my BLOODY RENT AGAIN!!!! F"§$ EMAAR!!!

I got a list of all 1/2 bedroom apartments that belongs to Emaar in Down Town Dubai which are ready and empty.
i tried to make them give us one for temporary stay since nobody is buying or renting those apartments from Emaar, and they rejected this 3 times from their management.

bunch of bastards sitting on management seats and wont allow anyone to reach out to them or even talk to them.

Yes, they are really ignorant, overpaid and selfish idiots that don't have a clue but talking absolute bullshit in interviews and still denying that Dubai is more or less finished. The rest of the world laughs about this place. Unfortunately I am stuck here with that bloody useless Emaar appartment.

I'm sure you all got an SMS from Emaar regarding project update. It's offical November 1st is the offical handover date. :ohno:

It is strange, I received the SMS and generally spam from Emaar, but I never get emails regarding my apartment status.. :(

I tried to reply to that SMS ("stick your new hand over date up your ass") but the SMS banged back...

do we actually have a chance to have our apartments handed over by Nov 09?
i wonder...

I received the damn letter.
they couldn't wait for 2 days so we can have a better weekend?
it had to come on Thursday morning to ruin everything for you.

I have just renewed my tenancy contract by another 6 months...very expensive delay!!!!

Actually I am of the opinion that 1st November is a realistic date for handing over, another 9 months in order to complete the development.

When I passed the site this morning there were lots of workers on East and also on North, floor 9 on East is completed, on North they are busy with the first floor. But will check tomorrow.

If they continue with the velocity on which they are constructing than without a doubt November 1st is realistic.

My only hope is that they finish earlier (which is also oable IMO) and send us a pleasant letter for a change

Haha, finishing earlier ... TDOT78 I appreciate your optimism .. but well, let's see inshallah ..

doublepost

When your at the bottom of the pool...the only way is up!:)

Despite the bad news I could not resist to do my weekly inspection...

UPDATE 30.01.09

West
They doubled the size of the fountain in the communal area (after main entrance), the communal floor with interlocks will be completed within 1 or 2 weeks.
The lobby has been tiled, they are doing right now the walls and the columns, also with marble. I could detect the 2 squash courts! They are between West and the parking area. Could turn out nice. Work on upper podium and pool area is in progress, also the floor in front of the villas should be ready soon. All other common areas such as gym, bathrooms etc. have been tiled.

Villas
Kitchens are completed, only the bathrooms need to be finished.

East
Floor 9 and 10 nearly completed. Up to floor 6 they started with the interior.

North
They started with floor 1. As we know that part is the reason for the bloody delay.

The security was shocked about the delay... He said: "Now they have plenty of time..."

Hope that they utilize that time properly...

Too bad it seems we get only the 2 Squash courts. Have been to the badminton courts in Promenade recently and was quite impressed (well, MP has a couple of more towers to be fair)...

Tightness, all those funny things have an impact on the maintenance fee... and Emaar will screw us on that, so I am happy to have not so many amenities...

right but you can be sure that bloody Emaar will charge us 25 per sqf and we will have a lot less than Promenade (25 is what is charged there right?)..

That was the first year its supposed to be coming down 20 per cent at renewal. Still a lot higher than MS at 5dhs psf.

They reduced to 20,5 at Promenade, they had a lot of problems with the quality (shit was coming up on entire floor 2, swimming pool contaminated and closed for months, water in their appartments even on floor 30 after rain etc. etc.). So Emaar has lost lots of their reputation - as we know:-)

Hallo Harry
Hast du versucht anzurufen
Wir haben die BAD NEWS schon gelesen
Gruße von deinen desillusionierten NAchbarn...
Caro

Arabianbusiness yesterday...

Work at several Emaar Properties schemes in Dubai is expected to come to a halt in the coming weeks, after the local developer told contractors to stop ordering materials.
It is understood that the decision affects projects at Dubai Marina and the Burj Dubai development, but not the Burj Dubai tower.
According to contractors, all materials that have been delivered to the site will be used, but no fresh orders will be placed. When the current stock is used up, work will stop.
Emaar says it is seeking cheaper deals. No date has been given to restart procurement.
"Emaar Properties is in discussions with our contractors and consultants regarding the procurement strategy to achieve potential cost savings gained from the decline in the price of raw materials globally," says an Emaar spokesman.
"This is part of our strategy to take advantage of opportunities [that have] arisen as a result of current global economic conditions."


So forget November 1st, 2009... Maybe November 1st, 2010 or 2011 or never

As I wrote so many times before, looking regularly in this forum to read some good news is an illusion. Emaar is looking for ANY reason / rationale to give explainations for delays.

Current market conditions for raw materials should ACTUALLY favor developers. They should be able to get new deals instantly, without any process to come to an halt!

INCREDBILE - Emaar is again losing big time trust and confidence as the prime developer.

The only thing they HAVE TO PUSH FOR now is the SEPERATE HANDOVER OF THE WEST TOWER. With 95% of the work done there, they could ease the lives of many Emaar homeowners...

Dirtyharry,
Re your post I talked to the resident engineer at Marina Quays today and he said that the work is going ahead normaly and that he is not aware of any plan to stop ordering material.
Ok, he may not be aware of it, but regardless I personally don't think that they will stop the work on this project having in mind all the delays and the amount of work to be done to complete it.
Some projects in Downtown which are just starting (and there are quite a few) are more likely to be the ones affected.
At least we can hope that I am right...

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Sure I hope that you are right... and I will keep on passing and inspecting the site since I do not believe in any statement Emaar is giving.

But keep in mind that Emaar has started far too many ridiculous and expensive projects at the same time - in their greed. Hundreds or thousands of appartments (especially in downtown) have not been sold and will of course not be sold in the near future. Their share price has reached an all-time-low of 1,82 AED (around 30 Euro-cents!!) per share which is really frightening... if we all put our money togehther we could take over Emaar, throw the idiots out or better into jail and complete the Marina Quays within 3 months:-)

Yes, we do have to hope that they will go on... however not being able to pay the contractors has always been the beginning of the end... where shall the money come from? From Sheik Mo? He is not anymore the ruler of Dubai, he has turned out as the gravedigger...

I do so hope this middle tower dont get much higher. At present I can view The Point cafe phase 1 from my lounge in The Point arse end. Great view point to point.

It won't thats as high its going to get. Enjoy the arse view.:)

FYI I was passing next to the site yesterday around 8pm and there were a lot of workers working on the Quay East 1st floor... very strange for Marina Quays... anyway my guess is they will finish the whole project much sooner than 01 Nov and then they will make us wait for another couple of months for no reason... something like Burj Views :bash:

Yeah, I am passing the site minimum once a day on the way to my office and there are always a lot of workers there. Once the basement plate/first floor on North is done it will rise quickly - if they go on like in the past few months.
Detailed update I will do tomorrow.

Let us hope that Emaar will survive these hard times...

lots of Pictures of updates. If you could get some of the East interior too. This development's getting to a nail biting stage.Thanks in advance.

Regarding EMAAR, i am not worried about them at all... of course they will survive when they can do whatever suits them (as we all learnt the hardest way).
The other option will be merger with Nakheel and Dubai Properties possibly.
Any option this project has to be completed ASAP as it's very close to completion (like Park Island and Lofts as well)
I am much more worried about Dubai property market in general though... falling demand etc
I think we have longer recovery period then first anticipated

Its a given that the recovery time for the market here will take a while. Furthermore, prices are unlikely to return to what they were at all. But I think most of us here are homeowners who actually want to live what they payed throught their nose for. When you look at the world today Dubai isnt a bad place at all. The beaches, the water, the income..it's still here.

It is not a bad place at all, sure, but I am quite concerned whether the population will start to grow again and whether there will be trust and confidence again here in this market.

Actually, and this question must be allowed: Who needs Dubai? A few expats to make some money in a couple of years? The 250.000 locals, that send their children to school to Europe or to the US after which they do not want to come back? Or the 600.000 Indians because they like living as modern slaves?

Might sound pessimistic, yes, sorry, but I am at the moment short of confidence that it will recover within a couple of years...

ok guys everywhere is in the shit hole right now. even here in NYC office space and residential space is all over available for sale prices have dropped over 30 percent. starting from my house along with others.... theres no need to start being pessimistic. time will fix everything. look at the late 80's to early 90's time will correct the markets on its own hence why im not worried just as long as you can hold off for the time being everything will adjust it self in due time.

The shit started from your place:bash:

UPDATE 06.02.09

Villas
Interior completed, all villas locked

West
Lobby and reception area fully tiled, they are busy with the walls now.
Went up to floor 4, gymnasium, squash court and other common areas and floors still to do.

Podium
They are busy now with the sundeck, the layout looks still strange. Besides the large main pool and the kids pool there are a lot of basins all over the deck to be filled with water and/or flowers, could turn out nice and chilly.
They started to tile the main pool. The pool will be sunny until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
They have not started with the interlock on the ground floor.

East
They are busy with floors 9 and 10. So only 1 to do.

North
Still busy with the basement section. Once they have done that the tower should rise quickly - provided that Emaar still let the contractor buy the material.

LOL thanks for rubbing it in..I'll be the first one to admit that however if I was in charge it would be very different :) anyways let just hope for the best

I could not resist:-)

Hi dirtyharry
thanks for your wishful expected update. Glad to hear construction is going on and it will become a good place. Lets hope the speed will hold on so we all will have a big party (include fireworks) just in November 2009. I am sure you still have your fireworks from New Years Eve.
Greets

Ossi, if they hand over in November I do not care about fireworks:-)))

If not, I shoot them, then we enjoy a really good fireworks...

here are some new pics from yesterday !

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the pool is quite small, but the entrance looks like it will be very nice.

Nick

2 more of the pool

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Welcome bluelights,
thank you for the pics. Are you a Quay owner as well? There are no workers. When do you took the pics? Are you living in Dubai or just for vacation?
Greets

08/February/2009

Marina Quays

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Welcome bluelights,
thank you for the pics. Are you a Quay owner as well? There are no workers. When do you took the pics? Are you living in Dubai or just for vacation?
Greets


Hi Ossi

yes we have an apartment in east, 807 i believe.
my father is there on holiday, he took the pics a few days ago....

dirty harry .. since we can see the pool area on the above pictures, can you please comment on facility? You were not very happy about it, right?

Hi Ossi

yes we have an apartment in east, 807 i believe.
my father is there on holiday, he took the pics a few days ago, paid the security guard £1 to let him in,,,, :).

Great pictures keep em coming and welcome.