This rather shocking article caught my eye today and I just had to share it with all of you:


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http://www.face81.5u.com/nuclear2.jpg

So we may see images such as this in the near future! :down:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/cityx/Other/nuclear.jpg

I hope America doesnt get the wrong idea!

At the moment, the Jebel Ali Power Plant has a capacity of 3700MW, but they have to raise it to 10,000MW by 2010 to meet expected demand. I know this as I was working at that plant.

I just hope that they decide to drop this horrible idea!

-Face81
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Two or three years ago, there was a visit by a Russian delegation and it was discussed with them the possibility to built Nuclear Power plant in UAE, in order to meet the future increase in demand for electricity.

It was in the paper back then as well.

I don't see why they shouldn't... so long as they remain responsible with it's use (i.e. don't employ people sympathetic to Al Qaeda).

You see Shaun....its concerns like that will have the U.A.E in hot water even before they can finalise any deals with South Korea.

I just hope they drop the South Korean deal and somehow attain nuclear power technology from America.....atleast that way America will, in a round about way, be actively involved in the entire process.

-Face81
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Why would building an American power plant be any better than a South Korean one? I fail to see why the US needs to be involved in it.

interesting thread!

strange, i've read that dubai seriously wanted to build a huge solar power plant. 2/3 of the city should have been supplied with solar energy and now this!

i don't like the idea. but i think solar energy development needs some more time to supply a whole city! and nuclear energy still is the most reliable source!

Juiced....atleast that way they would be fully involved and would have no excuse to point fingers at us........with all that Al-Qaida stuff happening and us being in the middle east and all......If they opt for nuclear power, I think America should know the exact details so that we dont land ourselves in any trouble.


And yes, why dont we use more solar energy? Surely we have more than enough to power more than a few pedestrian signals at zebra crossings and those orange parking meters of ours?

dont u think? :dunno:

-Face81
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yes, at least they could start a small solar energy project that supplies smaller things like traffic lights and stuff, just for science, later they could extend this solar energy network! and people would say, hey dubai doesn't only rely on oil, they use solar energy! wouldn't that be great????

UAE has oil, and if a country is rich in Oil, they don't need Nuclear power plants.

Its the same case with Iran, so if UAE gets to build a Nuclear plant, then I guess Iran should also have its only Nuclear power plant for peaceful use!

Juiced....atleast that way they would be fully involved and would have no excuse to point fingers at us........with all that Al-Qaida stuff happening and us being in the middle east and all......If they opt for nuclear power, I think America should know the exact details so that we dont land ourselves in any trouble.


And yes, why dont we use more solar energy? Surely we have more than enough to power more than a few pedestrian signals at zebra crossings and those orange parking meters of ours?

dont u think? :dunno:

-Face81
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But the power plant would be in the UAE? If something happens to it and there's a nuclear disaster, it would affect the UAE and not the US?

Dubai is running out of oil......hence the diversification of income with all the mega tourism initiatives. Even most power plants here in the U.A.E use more natural gas than oil simply because its cheaper, more environmentally freindly and more easily accessible.

Although the U.A.E has 13% of the worlds proven reserves of oil, AbuDhabi controls 9% and Dubai the remaining 4% (the other emirates have even less than that). Dubai's oil is fast running out and alternate sources of energy must be found.

I just feel that in todays world, Solar power is probably a better idea than nuclear! :ohno:

Juiced is right, but disaster or not, we cant have America considering us as a nation in pursuit of nuclear weapons.

-Face81
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yes, so much could be done with alternative power. like solar power and of course hybrid power for cars! scientists have promised to develop such cars as fast as possible, but nothing happended yet! only some concept cars have hybrid power! btw: maybe the engine is more expensive, but fueling up with hydrogen is very cheap! and it's the most envrionmental friendly way of motion!

It's a good point what Dubai-Lover makes about solar energy...

Dubai has so much money to 'waste' on projects like building huge artificial islands and mega-scrapers.... It'd be a good idea if it invested into solar energy (which demands huge investment anyway)... and what better place than the sunny Arabian peninsula?

Dubai is running out of oil......hence the diversification of income with all the mega tourism initiatives. Even most power plants here in the U.A.E use more natural gas than oil simply because its cheaper, more environmentally freindly and more easily accessible.

Although the U.A.E has 13% of the worlds proven reserves of oil, AbuDhabi controls 9% and Dubai the remaining 4% (the other emirates have even less than that). Dubai's oil is fast running out and alternate sources of energy must be found.

I just feel that in todays world, Solar power is probably a better idea than nuclear! :ohno:

Juiced is right, but disaster or not, we cant have America considering us as a nation in pursuit of nuclear weapons.

-Face81
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The thing is though it appears that the nuclear power plant will be in Abu Dhabi ... and they are no where near running out of oil. Thats what doesnt make sense to me.

Now, now Shaun............its not a waste at all. Infact its an investment. Without such bold tourism initiatives, Dubai wouldnt stand a chance in the future when the oil wells run dry. And that day is not far off. And besides that, all the projects have very quick returns. The government rushes to complete projects and sells them immediately at a higher price......so its a quick way to keep their coffers full!

I do agree that perhaps hydrogen powered cars could be introduced here with a good chance of success.

Solar power though, I agree, must be used more widely. As u said on this sunny Arabian Peninsula!

-Face81
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Nuclear Plant: Cheap, inexpensive, non-pollutant, do not release CO2, CO, NO2.... that cause climate change. Lithuania has NP and it's good for us because after it will be closed the taxes for electricity will significantly increase :(

No nuclear no solar crap.. this is the future of enegry

http://www.dolphinenergy.com/images/map.jpg

Now, now Shaun............its not a waste at all. Infact its an investment. Without such bold tourism initiatives, Dubai wouldnt stand a chance in the future when the oil wells run dry. And that day is not far off. And besides that, all the projects have very quick returns. The government rushes to complete projects and sells them immediately at a higher price......so its a quick way to keep their coffers full!

I do agree that perhaps hydrogen powered cars could be introduced here with a good chance of success.

Solar power though, I agree, must be used more widely. As u said on this sunny Arabian Peninsula!

-Face81
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Okay, true... my point is Dubai has a lot of money! I think it'd be a good idea for them to spend it on solar energy... they've got the financial power to risk giving it a shot...

I couldnt have said it better myself Shaun! I am all for that. I wish they would consider that option more seriously.

And Qatar forever.......we currently buy your gas to power our turbines in our plants........its not cheap either.......money doesnt last forever and we need something more energy efficient rather than having to spend billions on piping from Qatar to the U.A.E. Its ridiculous!

-Face81
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i totally agree with this project and about that Qaida and terrorism stuff i can just say ( lol ) grow up ppl ..... u know nothing about politics it's much more complicated than u think ...

stay in the topic plz

Thumbs UP for the UAE :applause:

another fact is that buying gas or oil when run out in dubai from other countries is quite cheap and with the returning ressources they won't become any cheaper at all. so solar energy is power produced by uae/dubai itself and once it works it wouldn't cost too much and it is some kind of safe energy! there are no risks! and it's environamental friendly!

I think that option of linking up to Qatar would be better than a nuclear plant, they are dangerous after all

But why cant all of you agree that Solar Power is cheaper as its ummmmm......free! and plus we could never go wrong with that idea. No disaster or anything horrible like that!

-Face81
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absolutely right, but dubai doesn't seem to have any worries about environment. the metro takes its time and solar energy was proposed and finally we got a nuclear plant? :weird:

at least most parts of dubai are clean compared to other cities at this size!

they should build it

they should build it

any particular reasons for this?

Thumbs down....

UAE should not built Nuclear Power plants. They have technology and money to do better than that, solar or wind, perhaps temperatur-plant as the solar tower in Australia. These power plants makes less power than nuclear, but you avoid nuclear disasters and destroyed enviroment. Nuclear power plants is more dangeous than many other power plants whetever how secure and modern you builts it. UAE sould instead use that money to built enviromental power plants, which is more expencive but more enviromental and nicer.

Nuclear power plants destroyes the enviroment. They spread dangerous nuclear waste, which is dangerous to the population and the nature. We will probably never make a nuclear plant which does not spread any dangerous waste.

What if a nuclear disaster happends. The chances is very smal, but it can happend anytime. UAE is a smal country, and if a disaster such as the tsjernobyl disaster happends there, most of UAE will be barried under deadly nuclear waste, which destroys most of the enviroment and UAE's population. Its smal chance such things happend, but when it happends the results is far from good.

UAE should never built it, the results will probably be the same as in eurpoe, USA and china, you find deadly radiation from nuclear plants everywhere. :)

Is solar powered energy that much cheaper for residents? I imagine building the actual plant costs a lot (the different materials) and the companies would have to recover their costs through high rates?

If the u.s and the other hot shots are so worried about nuclear plants, then they should shut down their own plants. Lead by example and not by nonsense. The only reason the EU and US and are worried about middle east countries obtaining nuclear plants is that one day they might produce nuclear weapons and you know what that means: Too difficult to occupy a country with Nuclear weapons ( ex: North Korea). If Iraq had nuclear weapons, there would not have been an invasion.

no solar energy is not cheaper.

btw: does somebody know where the may build it?? and there still is a MAY in the article's title!

and there's enough money to invest in this solar thing!

I like that sympathetic view of a true environmentalist. Well said Christian. There are too many risks. They out weigh the benefits.

Initially it might be more expensive. Who knows? But in the long run its the safest option for an environmentally safe and cheap source of energy.

Face81
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I like that. Nuclear (even if it was for peacful reasons) it means power!!! Am sure that this will happen. About the solar energy Etisalat uses it for outdoor phone cabinets and Dubai municpility use it for the parking machines. We can benifit from both


yeah BinDubai we should be happy
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no solar energy is not cheaper.

btw: does somebody know where the may build it?? and there still is a MAY in the article's title!

and there's enough money to invest in this solar thing!

As result of the co-op between south Korea and the UAE fediral govenrment. and we all know anything fediral means Abu Dhabi. it will be built in Abu Dhabi by the Abu Dhabi water and electricity authority not by the ministry of water and electricity.

Whats really intresting is that when Iran announced that it will use nuclear power for peacful purposes the US has been fired up. but when the UAE announced it locally. No one said anything.

GO_UAE

There is nothing more environmentally safer and cheaper than LNG, liquid natural gas. It is not expansive at all.

You guys make it seem that Dubai is a school and it will take two solar panels to run the place. Im no expert in solar energy, but i know this much. Its not worth the money you invest in it. Solar panels, espically if you plan it for a whole city, will be very expansive to start up and maintain.
You guys seem to forget also that in the gulf we have a little problem with sand storms and humidity. these two factors effect solar panels greatly and their productivity.
Someone mentioned something about wind power, what wind?!?!

Actually , my brother and i always though this day would come , dubai and the UAE as a whole is progressing so fast and the Pop is growing so fast too we need a nuclear power plant to supply us with enough energy

and maybe then , Iran will have more respect for us , and give us back our islands :)

we will have some sort of (US-RUSSIAN) relationship going on

have you ever thought about the radioactive waste??? in germany there are so many protests going on against nuclear plants and the waste that it has become a serious problem for our government! germany has once considered to sell such a nuclear plant to japan and the result was: nothing happened!

where does dubai want to put the waste??? maybe they're going to export it??? :lol:
in germany they throw it into old mines for coal, salt and whatever. this waste is getting more and more. this stuff needs thousands of years to become harmless!!!

so you better think about it twice! the uae is not that big and will maybe one day be fully settled! do you want to live on a field of radioactive waste??????

Hmm well power plants and weapons programs are very different things and side to the real issues here.
And by no means having the plant will do any thing much to international relations solely in the weapons aspect apart from new aligment for USA spy sat.
I fully support Nuclear power but see it as the easy way out of problems. But why not ? In most causes yes. So few plants are built now a days. If this plant works, is fast and is safe then why not do it ?.

I wish Australia’s would but people here are still in shock from the wingers that target power plants in the nuclear fear era ! Sadly this mental view is still held to day and its impossible to discuss nuclear power in a positive light.

Despite what common sense says this move is can be view a bad publicity on any front. The UAE is not in the same boat as place as large as Aus and your right that waste would be created. In place as small as the UAE is that a good sign. Can they manage a project and plant like this long term ? Is this best investement. I dont think i making a good case here.

Given those factors the UAE can do better and does not need this out

Gas pipe line sure why not but that wont last for even as well ( not that’s any issue that any one will have to think of given the size of reserves in Doha). Might have a better and faster return that many other plants

Solar power of course would be better and with the given land scape and capital of UAE for invest its a much more attractive option for all.

Always dreamed on one courtur going full natural on its power source. 100% solar and water themeral wind mills. Sounds better that 20000 MW Nuclur power plant

Weapons and power generation are seperate issues however the by product of power is plutinium which is the building block for weapons grade material, its an unavoidable fact so in having the right intentions for power you end up with a nightmare byproduct.

noo, I was writing my reply over 15min to quick reply form and wasn't logged in so it disappeared, argh :(

well, according to article, that nuclear plant would produce 100megawatts per day, so it would be 100*356=35600MWh per year, is this right? (I'm not good at electricity calculations)

world biggest solar plants:
http://www.pvresources.com/en/top50pv.php
(don't know if this is accurate information, but I suppose...)
biggest plant there is 5000MWh

so currently biggest solar plant in world is producing about 7times less electricity than nuclear plant and 2x less than Jebel Ali's Power plant.... :sleepy:

oh, there was one with 8000MWh.... and it's located in germany, so in UAE these things would work much more effiency? hmmh :|

Just look at the rate of increase in power consumption. This isnt something new to them and they should have thought of this before. Now in a rush to meet demand they will hastily start putting up nuclear power plants. The federal government always make decisions that affect the country and so this does not mean that the Nuclear Plants will be confined only to AD....Anyone who wants them can build them. I say they find another source!

Instead they should set up a huge R&D centre to come up with alternate sources of energy. Now that would be money well spent.

Here is the news article:

Demand for Dewa's services to rise 16pc
Dubai | WAM | 08/09/2004 | Print this page


Power and desalination plants included in Dubai Electricity and Water Authority's plans will add up to 10,000 megawatts and 370 million gallons per day by 2012.

Saeed Mohammad Al Tayer, managing director, said the maximum load this year has reached 3,228 megawatts compared to 2,874 megawatts last year, up 12.3 per cent.

He expected the demand for Dewa's services to jump 16 per cent next year, and over 18 per cent by 2006.

"Dewa is currently implementing a project to lift power and water capacity through Station L in Jebel Ali," he said.

-Face81
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Actually , my brother and i always though this day would come , dubai and the UAE as a whole is progressing so fast and the Pop is growing so fast too we need a nuclear power plant to supply us with enough energy

and maybe then , Iran will have more respect for us , and give us back our islands :)

we will have some sort of (US-RUSSIAN) relationship going on

Dubai_Boy, what islands are you referring to? I didn't know that the UAE had a land dispute with Iran.

every one seems to have minor spat over islands some where in world

Dubai_Boy, what islands are you referring to? I didn't know that the UAE had a land dispute with Iran.

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2001/1/27/image_map342_6.jpg

still good for turn around out of the country correct ?

Originally Posted by Nick in Atlanta:
"what islands are you referring to? I didn't know that the UAE had a land dispute with Iran."

Here are some sites that clearly explain the situation on the Islands Nick. Hope they help:

1) http://www.american.edu/TED/abumusa.htm
2) http://www.parstimes.com/history/iran_uae_dispute.html
3) http://www.parstimes.com/news/archive/2004/eu_islands.html

This may be unrelated, but it was too good of an image to pass up.
Enjoy:

http://face81.5u.com/persian_gulf_al.jpg

-Face81
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still good for turn around out of the country correct ?

Trances, I have read your statement over and over but it still makes no sense to me. Could you elaborate?

Nick I have to agree with you.

Trances what does that mean? :dunno:

-Face81
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Good idea to make nuclear plants, they are very clean for the envirement.

sorry
i ment for turn around flights for visa runs
they are well placed

Good idea to make nuclear plants, they are very clean for the envirement.

Is it I thought the opposite, are you sure

Good idea to make nuclear plants, they are very clean for the envirement.

There is no way that those things can ever be considered safe. What happens to the nuclear waste? Bury it in the desert? :ohno:

I am sure there are better alternate sources of energy out there. We just arent looking hard enough!

-Face81
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----Iran will have more respect for us , and give us back our islands

If you people, dropped all this Persian-ARab rivalry, and united against the common enemy of the region, especially strong unity between the strong and wealthy Iraq, Iran and Saudis, you would not have been pucked in the arse by the jewish and americans 24/7.

But again stupid people deserve stupid things that happens to them. Thats why I no longer feel any remorse for my friends in the gulf countries.

by the way, Who is next on the list? Iran, Saudi Arabia and after that I suppose it's other countries of the region?

Whiel we on the topic
never under stood why Oman had that tip of land as well

There's also a tiny bit of land in between Fujairah and Khor Fakkan (little town 20mins away from Fujairah that is part of SHARJAH emirates) that belongs to Oman. Honest.
You can tell where it is because there aren't any street lights there!

maybe a remnant of english control from back in the day??????

how very odd

There's also a tiny bit of land in between Fujairah and Khor Fakkan (little town 20mins away from Fujairah that is part of SHARJAH emirates) that belongs to Oman. Honest.
You can tell where it is because there aren't any street lights there!

It all dates back to colonial rule and hence the wee enclaves of Oman in the middle of the U.A.E.......Yep I know the stretch Juiced is talking about....it even says welcome to Wilayat whatever in Oman at some point before the street lights re-appear ....... very odd indeed :crazy2:

-Face81
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World's largest windturbine was completed yesterday! :)

http://www.repower5m.com/bilder_news/021004//5m_02.jpg
http://www.repower5m.com/bilder_news/021004//5m_04.jpg
http://www.repower5m.com/bilder_news/021004//5m_01.jpg

"Construction work on the REpower 5M was successfully completed last night with the installation of the rotor. Thus the main work on the prototype of the 5-megawatt, world's largest wind turbine has finally been completed."

http://www.repower5m.com/index_flash_uk.htm

U.A.E. is not a particulary windy place. U.K. has a lot of Oceanic cost.