A new flag for New Zealand :banana:

FLAG = IDENTITY

The various flags exist can be grouped into "families" or groups of bands with the same origin. The main families are:
* Flags with crescent moon, or report a crescent moon, which refers to the Muslim faith.
* Flags with the cross: a cross report that refers to the Christian faith.
* Union Jack flags: used by the former British colonies. Flags are derived from red ensign for civil and government use ensignper blue. Have the Union Jack in the canton and a badge (seal) to the door. Some states since independence have changed the background (from blue to blue) while the Union Jack in the canton or replacing the badge with a different reason.
* Flags derived from the American flag "Stars and Stripes" taken by these countries and movements that were inspired by the values of the American Revolutionary War. The horizontal strips are usually white or red white and blue.
* Flags with Pan-Slavic colors: derived from the Russian tricolor blue-white-red. They are used by many states of Eastern Slav population.
* Derived from the French tricolor flags: adopted by countries that were inspired by the ideals of the French Revolution.Characterized by three equal vertical bands.
* Red flags: derived from the red flag has always been the symbol of socialism. These bands are characterized by a red field charged with various ornaments of various colors.
* Heraldic banners: the colors borrowed from the arms of the state.Generally consist of 2-3 horizontal bands of equal size.
* Flags with the Pan-Arab colors: inspired by the flag of the Arab Revolt in Hejaz on June 10, 1916 that consisted of three equal horizontal bands of black, green and white with a red triangle at auction. Typical of the states of the Middle East.
* Flags with the pan-African colors: derived from the flag designed by Marcus Garvey in the U.S. in 1917 (green, black, red) and the Ethiopian rasta flag (green, red, yellow). They are characterized by the colors: yellow, green, red and charged with any elements of black.
* Flags with the colors of the Great Colombia, derived from the flag of Francisco de Miranda: the flag of Francisco de Miranda was the first flag in South America that is the emancipation of Spain. It was characterized by three equal horizontal bands of yellow, blue and red.
* Flags with symbols and colors derived from the traditional Central American flag of the United Provinces of Central America: the provinces of Central America came together to break ties with Spain in 1823. They are characterized by light blue or light blue and white arranged in horizontal bands or vertical.
* Flags derived from the flag of anarchism, characterized by red and black colors was raised for the first time during the French Revolution.
* Flags derived from the UN flag: light blue UN flag as the flag was adopted as a compromise in countries with unstable situations where it has been necessary action by the United Nations.
* Flags derived from the colors of the flag: they are characterized by the colors blue and yellow and feature the classic element of the stars. Are adopted in European countries as flags of unstable compromise.



Eight reasons for a new New Zealand flag

1. A flag is meant to be flown
Flags should be highly visible symbols of a nation’s presence. Because the current Union Jack-based flag does not resonate with New Zealanders, it is comparatively infrequently flown. Its uses are mainly confined to official buildings and occasions. A visit to any town in America or Switzerland, for example, shows what happens when a flag is a potent emotional symbol. The New Zealand flag needs to have emotional and symbolic potency in order for it to be embraced and used by New Zealanders.

2. A flag needs to be instantly recognisable
Test after test shows that the current New Zealand flag is immediately confused with flags of other countries, especially Australia. In many instances, a flag is used in an international context. There is no question that the Silver Fern is the most recognised symbol of New Zealand. For over a century the Silver Fern has been the emblem of our sports men and women. The Silver Fern is used extensively as a symbol by Government, tourism, trade organisations and commercial brands. The Silver Fern says "New Zealand".

3. A flag is a brand
New Zealand competes with other countries, cities, and commercial brands. Countries with the strongest, simplest flags tend to have the most cut-through impact. Today, commercial brands command greater recognition than most flags. As an export country competing on the world stage, we need our flag to be strongly competitive from a brand/ symbol/icon point of view.

4. A flag needs to connect emotionally
The heart needs to beat faster on sighting of our country’s flag. The Silver Fern is etched in the memory of great victories by the All Blacks, our runners Jack Lovelock, Peter Snell and John Walker, the rowing eight from Munich. The Silver Fern conjures up emotions of grit, guts and genius. It says, "take on the world ¬ and beat it". These are emotions we need to encourage.

5. A flag should represent great design
The Government is committed to best practice design through the Design Industry Task Force. Great design is a feature of New Zealand’s creativity. From the founder of modern industry design practice, Joseph Sinel, through to Lord Of The Rings, our design standards have been world-leading. Our flag needs to match this standard. In today’s environment the current Union Jack-based flag is simply bad design, poorly composed, a muddle of ideas, thematically derivative and unoriginal. Some leading newspaper editorials have called the current flag "an absurdity."

6. A new flag can honour our past
The Silver Fern has been a feature of our iconography for well over a century. The All Blacks made it their official emblem in 1893. It first appeared on an official New Zealand flag in 1908. The Silver Fern was the predominant badge of our army in World War I, and the official insignia of the 2nd New Zealand Division in World War II. Changing from the Union Jack-based flag does not depreciate the sacrifice of men and women soldiers who fought in two world wars. Their efforts are recognised through permanent memorials in every New Zealand town, and through the commemoration of Anzac Day each year.

7. A new flag should say one thing
The job of a flag is to instantly signal the country of origin in the simplest, quickest, most potent manner. This means utilising a single powerful image rather than several elements and thereby diluting the potency of the symbol. There are many mediums for embroidering the layers and textures of our story ¬ from a Coat of Arms through to art and music. The job of the flag is visibility, instant recognition and emotional cut-through. Our belief is that the stylised Silver Fern does the strongest job of satisfying the greatest number of New Zealanders at any one time.

8. The times they are a changin’
Symbolic change has been a feature of the governmental environment, with the scrapping of the Privy Council, the establishment of a New Zealand Supreme Court and the abolition of knighthoods. A new flag is not advocacy for New Zealand to become a republic (many commonwealth countries do not have the Union Jack in their flag). A Silver Fern-based flag blends our past, our present and our future into one emotional symbol. A new flag gives energy and a sense of independence and self determination in this new millennium.



Do you support a change in the national flag? Changing the flag is not to deny their past but it is a symbol of place and identity. You should be proud to show more clearly that the country is New Zealand.

Hahahhaha! Can of worms anyone! Probably have this thread already somewhere.

I cant decide about the NZ flag. Im sure Ive said before go the Hundertwasser! Silver Fern looks terrible. Tino Rangatiratangi looks like the old Weimar flag. Your current one got copied by Australia the following year so hasnt looked unique since 1901.

SO yeah HUndertwasser:

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/images/hundertwasser-flag.gif

We've already had this discussion, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1235199 mods should merge this with the other one.

We've already had this discussion, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1235199 mods should merge this with the other one.

sorry I had not seen!!:nuts:

apostrophe!!!

^^ Apostrophe? People whose first language is English often place the apostrophe incorrectly, so cut the guy some slack man! :)

The blue shows harmony and beauty of nature of New Zealand. The white describe a “long white cloud” in the shape of fern. Top right, the constellation of old flag, in red color, indicating the origin of Maori people.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/ItalicSiciliano/Copiadig.jpg

Do you like the flag that I created for NZ?

^^Sorry but that's not a nice flag. It's pretty dull and boring.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about the maori people, they don't deserve any special recognition over and above anyone else who is living in NZ, be they European, Asian, Indian, African or Pacific Islander we are all in the same boat together, if we are going to have a new flag it needs to represent everyone, prioritising one ethnic group over the rest sucks.

I've only seen one design that I think is worthy of replacing our existing flag, the rest are mostly maori centric or look washed out and boring. The silver fern on black isn't nice either, whenever I see it I think All Blacks or sport, to me that doesn't represent NZ.

So I like this one, it has the fern which everyone appears to like, has continuity with the existing flag with the Southern Cross and keeps the colours nice and bold. It's a safe choice which won't piss off too many people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Kyle_Lockwood%27s_New_Zealand_Flag.svg/800px-Kyle_Lockwood%27s_New_Zealand_Flag.svg.png

but I'd rather keep what we have now, I'm comfortable with it, it's been with us for a long time, replacing it just appears to be something some people want to do because they can't think of anything worthwhile doing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/800px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png

^^Sorry but that's not a nice flag. It's pretty dull and boring.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about the maori people, they don't deserve any special recognition over and above anyone else who is living in NZ, be they European, Asian, Indian, African or Pacific Islander we are all in the same boat together, if we are going to have a new flag it needs to represent everyone, prioritising one ethnic group over the rest sucks.

I've only seen one design that I think is worthy of replacing our existing flag, the rest are mostly maori centric or look washed out and boring. The silver fern on black isn't nice either, whenever I see it I think All Blacks or sport, to me that doesn't represent NZ.

So I like this one, it has the fern which everyone appears to like, has continuity with the existing flag with the Southern Cross and keeps the colours nice and bold. It's a safe choice which won't piss off too many people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Kyle_Lockwood%27s_New_Zealand_Flag.svg/800px-Kyle_Lockwood%27s_New_Zealand_Flag.svg.png

but I'd rather keep what we have now, I'm comfortable with it, it's been with us for a long time, replacing it just appears to be something some people want to do because they can't think of anything worthwhile doing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/800px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png

Thank you anyway for expressing your opinion. I think NZ needs to change the flag for two reasons:
1) finally cut the umbilical cord with UK (in the sense that it no longer represented the Union Jack)
2) being recognized internationally, because it is confused with the Australian flag, or it seems that NZ is part of it.

^^Are you a kiwi?

You may be confused by it but I'm not. The ties to the UK are long gone, but the flag represents our history, the vast majority of us came from the UK. It's the Australian flag that looks like ours not the other way around, we had ours first, Aussies have always lacked imagination.

I'm guessing you are Italian, why not campaign to change your flag, basically it's the flag of the Cispadane Republic, which was a small short lived republic in Northern Italy, now you tell me how does that represent all Italians? But you wouldn't consider replacing it because you've had it for 200 odd years, to me it's a boring flag, looks like shit and needs updating to represent everyone in Italy.

Good points rob.

Can we close this thread please - we have a flag thread already.

Italicsiciliano - please post your nz flag contributions on the NZ flag thread that we have had for quite a while now. :cheers:

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about the maori people, they don't deserve any special recognition over and above anyone else who is living in NZ, be they European, Asian, Indian, African or Pacific Islander we are all in the same boat together, if we are going to have a new flag it needs to represent everyone, prioritising one ethnic group over the rest sucks.

I've only seen one design that I think is worthy of replacing our existing flag, the rest are mostly maori centric or look washed out and boring. The silver fern on black isn't nice either, whenever I see it I think All Blacks or sport, to me that doesn't represent NZ.




Fully agree with you. Most of the people who campaign for a flag change want the Union Jack out of there because it doesn't represent who we are.

Then they bombard it with all things Maori. Quite ironic.

Change it or make the Aussies change theirs, seeing as we had it first and all

^^Are you a kiwi?

You may be confused by it but I'm not. The ties to the UK are long gone, but the flag represents our history, the vast majority of us came from the UK. It's the Australian flag that looks like ours not the other way around, we had ours first, Aussies have always lacked imagination.

I'm guessing you are Italian, why not campaign to change your flag, basically it's the flag of the Cispadane Republic, which was a small short lived republic in Northern Italy, now you tell me how does that represent all Italians? But you wouldn't consider replacing it because you've had it for 200 odd years, to me it's a boring flag, looks like shit and needs updating to represent everyone in Italy.


Hello KiwiRob, I did not want to offend the New Zealand and its people. I am someone who respects others. Mine was just a way to understand what you thought of your flag.

As for my country, I can tell you that I live in that part of Italy 150 years ago, this country even wanted it so as to become, but he expected something better.

I do not know if you know the story of a united Italy. Can I just say that some time in Italy, is planning to rewrite the true history of our country, because at the time this was written by the victors otherwise.

Prior to 1861 in the Italian, in the north there were many small states: the Kingdom of Sardinia, the Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, Grand Duchy of Tuscany, the Duchy of Modena, the Papal States. While in the south, there was the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.

The story written by the winners of the North, says that the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was annexed to Italy with the achievements of Garibaldi.

Naples has had an important position: it was the most populous city of the Italian peninsula, the top three in Europe with London and Paris. During the reign of the Bourbons was a destination for scholars, navigators, but mainly it was the capital of a great kingdom. The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, was about half the size of Italy today.

As I said on this realm has been said a lot, it is widely believed that it was a backward place, with widespread poverty, with a slow and corrupt bureaucracy. Instead, it is not, indeed was at the forefront in Europe in many areas: technology, industry, economy, and was especially rich in culture and treasures.
Of all the Italian kingdoms, was the largest, the richest and most populated. Among the important things to remember: it was the first to bring running water in homes, was established the first botanical garden of Italy, the first cemetery for the poor. He owned a third of the world merchant fleet and shipbuilding (first in the Mediterranean, and fourth in the world), were built the first steamboat in Italian and the first trans-Atlantic that connected the Mediterranean Sea with America, we were first, with regard to the number of printers, which are present in Italy, for the publication of magazines and newspapers, the highest number of music conservatories and theaters (including the Teatro San Carlo, the oldest opera house in Europe). King Charles of Bourbon implementing major reforms and launched a great work of renewal through a reorganization of both architectural and administrative. It opens from here a period of growth and prosperity that will remain memorable in the history of Southern Italy. The king also built the Royal Palace of Caserta to compete against the Palace of Versailles in France. Was built the first Italian railway network, and the first railway tunnel in the world. Among other technical innovations: the first Italian electric telegraph, the first astronomical observatory, seismological observatory and meteorological observatory. It is installed the first gas lighting in Italy (third in Europe). Top professorships of economics and architecture. Prime code maritime and marine atlas of the world. First mineralogical museum in the world. First iron suspension bridge in continental Europe. First cruise ship in Europe. First Italian Institute for the deaf. First system to constant light lens headlights in Italy. First to lower infant mortality in Italy. Medical intervention in Italy's first anti-tuberculosis prophylaxis. Before allocation of homes to the poorest. First free health care.
Best fiscal Italy (diagram of 1860 million lire-gold)
* Kingdom of the Two Sicilies: 443.2
* Papal State : 90.6
* Grand Duchy of Tuscany: 84.2
* Kingdom of Sardinia: 27
* Veneto : 12.7
* Lombardia: 8.1
* Parma and Piacenza: 1.2
* Duke of Modena: 0.4

IN A FEW WORDS
(1) The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was a very prosperous state(as evidenced by their Primates).
(2) The Kingdom of Sardinia was extremely poor
(3) The Kingdom of Sardinia meditated, planned and carried out the conquest of the rich realm Bourbon
(4) From the conquest began the evils of the South:
a) the emigration of 15 million southern
b) the robbery of the industries that moved to the north,
c) the robbery of the public finances of the southern kingdom.

To the south supported Garibaldi in good faith, thinking that thefuture Kingdom of Italy would better distribute wealth. They did not know that the industries were dismantled and looted the money to keep the North was on the verge of bankruptcy. In fact, before1861, immigrants from the north to the south, after the U.S. began poverty in the south, and began to immigrate to the south to the north.

After all this story I agree with you that the Italian flag does not represent all of Italy.

After all this story I agree with you that the Italian flag does not represent all of Italy.

Yup so you better start a campaign to change it; btw it's also easily mistaken for the flag of the Irish Republic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Flag_of_Italy.svg/800px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Flag_of_Ireland.svg/800px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.png

Yup so you better start a campaign to change it; btw it's also easily mistaken for the flag of the Irish Republic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Flag_of_Italy.svg/800px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Flag_of_Ireland.svg/800px-Flag_of_Ireland.svg.png

Yes, but in Italy there is not the strength to change ... This is the difference! :lol:
Anyway, I hope you have understood, I did not want to offend you and your country. Got it? :dunno:

Yes, but in Italy there is not the strength to change ... This is the difference! :lol:


Personally I don't know anyone who wants to change our flag, I think those who do want a change are the loud minority who want something to shout about, rather than worrying about real issues which do effect NZ.

Personally I don't know anyone who wants to change our flag, I think those who do want a change are the loud minority who want something to shout about, rather than worrying about real issues which do effect NZ.

I understand. NZ remains for me with problems or not, one of the most beautiful places in the world. :rock: