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Shameel

June 28th, 2012, 11:02 AM

OmI92

July 2nd, 2012, 05:30 PM

Ring Road's Protection Of Utmost Importance: CM

LAHORE: Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif presided over a meeting of Lahore Ring Road Authority at his Tent Office Minar-e-Pakistan in which matters pertaining to horticulture work on the ring road and other related matters came under discussion.

The meeting was attended by Provincial Minister Agriculture Ahmad Ali Aulakh, Members Assembly Mian Marghoob Ahmad, Mehr Ishtiaq Ahmad, Chairman Planning & Development, Inspector General Police, Secretary Finance, Commissioner and District Coordination Officer Lahore and other concerned officers.
It was decided in the meeting to form a special police force to control traffic as well as curb crimes on the Lahore Ring Road. The proposed special police force will be a part of Punjab police, but there will be no mutual transfers.
All Ring Road police officers above BPS-14 would be inducted through Public Service Commission whereas the rest of the staff would be recruited in a transparent manner through a committee. It was decided in the meeting that modern traffic management system would be introduced at Lahore Ring Road, which will be monitored through control room. Furthermore, two weigh bridges would also be constructed at different locations of Lahore Ring Road.
Addressing the meeting, the Chief Minister said that Lahore Ring Road is a precious asset worth billion of rupees and its care and protection is of utmost importance. He pointed out that the Lahore Ring Road Authority will be responsible for overall supervision of the project and for this purpose, it should chalk out a business plan to acquire further resources.
He said that attractively designed overhead bridges should be constructed for the convenience of the pedestrians. The Chief Minister said that the rulers of the past indulged in property business as well as loot and plunder in the name of Lahore Ring Road Project. He informed that the portion of Lahore Ring Road constructed during the previous era is substandard and strict action would be initiated against those responsible for the shoddy construction work.
Earlier, Commissioner Lahore Division gave a detailed briefing regarding horticulture work, traffic management system, construction of overhead bridges for pedestrians and other matters relating to Lahore Ring Road project.

OmI92

July 2nd, 2012, 05:35 PM

LAHORE: A high-level meeting was held under the chair of Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif at his Minar-e-Pakistan tent office to ascertain as to what caused a pedestrian bridge on Ring Road, near Harbanspura, collapse.

Presenting his initial report in this regard, Commissioner Lahore Jawad Rafiq Malik informed that the dumper struck against the bridge, due to which the bridge collapsed and the truck driver, Rana Sajjad, died on the spot. He informed that Khalid Rauf & Co had constructed this overhead bridge in 2009. He further said that structural specimens of the collapsed bridge have been sent to laboratories for test.

Shahbaz Sharif said investment of billions of rupees has been made on the Lahore Ring Road, therefore, its proper upkeep, maintenance and protection is of utmost important. Directing immediate analysis of all overhead bridges, the CM ordered that all matters including the tendering process of the collapsed bridge on Ring Road, its bidding, contractual payment, its design, third party audit and other aspects, be reviewed by the Chief Minister Inspection Team.

The Chief Minister further directed for taking foolproof steps to put an end to recurrence of such lamentable incidents in future. He said there should be an effective checking system at the entry point of the Ring Road and directed that structural specimens of the collapsed bridge be sent to the best laboratories. (APP)

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

July 3rd, 2012, 07:58 PM

According to City042, separate police force of 250 wardens will be recruited for LRR...

Metropole

July 3rd, 2012, 08:30 PM

They need to install barriers like this at the entrances of major highways to stop vehicles that are too tall from entering.

http://rvtravel.com/blog/rvnow/uploaded_images/P1090233-733130.jpg

shakeelahmadch

July 4th, 2012, 06:54 AM

They need to install barriers like this at the entrances of major highways to stop vehicles that are too tall from entering.

http://rvtravel.com/blog/rvnow/uploaded_images/P1090233-733130.jpg

They did on canal road ... it's broken every other day when someone hit it. It's been broken many many times. Problem lies deep - driving licenses etc...

siamu maharaj

July 4th, 2012, 07:59 AM

In Karachi truckers just tie a rope to it and the truck and pull the whole thing down. Have seen it at more than one occasion. However, in some places they have those huge pipes (diameter of maybe a foot) and those things would stop a missile.

Mr.Nabs

July 7th, 2012, 04:59 PM

That's Me Driving :D

A must watch video :)
5IqAyifvm3g

eyorky

July 8th, 2012, 07:12 PM

Pedestrian bridge collapses on Lahore Ring Road

http://images.thenews.com.pk/updates_pics/6-28-2012_56366_l.jpg

LAHORE: At least two people got trapped under the rubble when part of a pedestrian bridge collapsed at Ring Road in Harbanspura area of Lahore Thursday morning, Geo News reported.

According to sources, part of the bridge came down when a truck was passing under the bridge resultantly trapping two persons under its rubble. Due to collapse, the traffic from airport to Harbanspura was suspended.

After the accident, rescue teams reached the spot soon after getting the news and kicked off effortsto pull out the trapped people while Commissioner Lahore also visited the site.

Meanwhile, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has ordered an immediate inquiry into the matter and to present the probe report of the incident. He has also formed an investigating team comprising Chairman of MIT, Secretary C & W, Chief Engineer South and Dean of UET.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-56366-Pedestrian-bridge-collapses-in-Lahore

I was saddend to see the collapse of Foot Bridge which took 2 lives. The accident has been partially blamed on truck driver. If the dumper box was in the un-loading position (high in air) then why did it not hit the foot bridges BEFORE the Harbanspura bridge. The construction company owner's alarming statement from the prison cell that the bridge is now 3 years old and that the bridge had only 1 year guarantee. I am sure, after spending Millions on such projects, the Government can expect at least 10 years guarantee.
The Media must now follow up this case and bring the findings of the case to the Lahoris. The LRR is a largest projects of its kind so we must look after it and keep it clean. I am asking City42, in particular, to be at the the forefront on such issues of Lahore. I am lucky enough to have access to the City42 here in England.

Strong Hearted

July 8th, 2012, 07:52 PM

I was saddend to see the collapse of Foot Bridge which took 2 lives. The accident has been partially blamed on truck driver. If the dumper box was in the un-loading position (high in air) then why did it not hit the foot bridges BEFORE the Harbanspura bridge. The construction company owner's alarming statement from the prison cell that the bridge is now 3 years old and that the bridge had only 1 year guarantee. I am sure, after spending Millions on such projects, the Government can expect at least 10 years guarantee.
The Media must now follow up this case and bring the findings of the case to the Lahoris. The LRR is a largest projects of its kind so we must look after it and keep it clean. I am asking City42, in particular, to be at the the forefront on such issues of Lahore. I am lucky enough to have access to the City42 here in England.

The truck driver entered Ring road from Barki road intersection and was driving towards Harbanspura Interchange. So this was the first pedestrian bridge that he tried to cross!

Dallas1

July 9th, 2012, 10:57 AM

I am lucky enough to have access to the City42 here in England.

How do get access to City42?

ychaman

July 9th, 2012, 06:42 PM

How do get access to City42?

Just type or click this link http://www.city42.tv/ and it should work or simply google city 42. I have been watching city 42 since last year and never had problem. On the other hand there are times when the city 42 net work does not respond but you can still watch the bulletin. Let me know if it works out for you.

Strong Hearted

July 9th, 2012, 08:38 PM

http://www.lahorerealestate.com/ads/public/img-1341838083.jpg

eyorky

July 9th, 2012, 10:19 PM

The truck driver entered Ring road from Barki road intersection and was driving towards Harbanspura Interchange. So this was the first pedestrian bridge that he tried to cross!

Thankyou Strong Hearted to put me right and somewhat clearing the position.

eyorky

July 9th, 2012, 10:41 PM

How do get access to City42?

YCHAMAN has got an answer which DOES work on your computer. But I have got a IPTV box namely Jadoo TV box or sometimes its called Jalva TV box. Its connected to Internet and also to your TV thru HDMI cable. You can then receive almost all Local Pakistani TVs (also Indian and Arab if req). This box is available on www. ebay.co.uk or further details can be obtained on Google.

ychaman

July 9th, 2012, 11:09 PM

YCHAMAN has got an answer which DOES work on your computer. But I have got a IPTV box namely Jadoo TV box or sometimes its called Jalva TV box. Its connected to Internet and also to your TV thru HDMI cable. You can then receive almost all Local Pakistani TVs (also Indian and Arab if req). This box is available on www. ebay.co.uk or further details can be obtained on Google.

In the end this has worked for me wonderfully since I also use media center. Thanks to internet now a days.....virtually every channel is under your fingertips. Enjoy.

malpensa

July 10th, 2012, 05:31 AM

no road will be world class until they clean the dust off these roads..looks so hideous with the dusty borders..all it takes is twice daily cleaner/vacuum truck to drive along the edges...(in america all the big parking lots have a vacuum truck clean them at night..no wonder they are always spotless )

Dallas1

July 10th, 2012, 11:21 AM

eyorky

July 11th, 2012, 11:19 PM

Thank you "ychaman" and "eyorky"

Just a quick one on the subject. Go on www.mazhar.dk OR www.mazhar.pk.
Click on link Akhbaraat on top of the page. On next page you will see all Pak newspapers and Pak TVs links. Just hit the link you are interested in and enjoy. Although an odd one or two links may not work.

farazilu

July 12th, 2012, 12:09 AM

Take immediate left and come on to main road (there's an exit there) and merge on to main highway coming from Mall Rd and take the circle after the bridge towards airport.

Edit: Actually that exit is out only - you go straight - from underpass bridge, return back towards Mall Rd and take a U turn at Askari and come back to the interchange and then take second ramp.

you can always google maps for this.
Pakistni people are working hard to keep them up to date.
http://goo.gl/maps/ZQj1

A-TOWN BOY

July 12th, 2012, 05:06 AM

http://www.lahorerealestate.com/ads/public/img-1341838083.jpg

the sharp exit turn is really bothering me. i don't think they would allow such a design here.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

July 12th, 2012, 04:06 PM

^^

Its the loop of the Ghazi Interchange on LRR...

Strong Hearted

July 12th, 2012, 04:39 PM

the sharp exit turn is really bothering me. i don't think they would allow such a design here.

its a loop and there is nothing wrong with the degree of turn, its just the pic in which it seems to be a sharp turn.

A-TOWN BOY

July 12th, 2012, 07:03 PM

its a loop and there is nothing wrong with the degree of turn, its just the pic in which it seems to be a sharp turn.

oh ok.

siamu maharaj

July 14th, 2012, 01:18 PM

waqas03

July 14th, 2012, 02:20 PM

Since the question was never really settled around here - a small portion of LRR

Having said that, a couple of issues I found with LRR. U-turns are really stupid..

very very stupid uturns, and those demonic reflecters on them in order to secure them.... i think , they can even create reasons for accidents.

siamu maharaj

July 14th, 2012, 02:31 PM

Yeah, they would surely result in accidents for variety of reasons. Suddenly finding a car making a turn when you're going 100 kph. Or suddenly turning left due to the reflectors and driving into another vehicle.

Strong Hearted

July 14th, 2012, 03:42 PM

Since the question was never really settled around here - a small portion of LRR is toll-free for cars (but there're tolls for other vehicles) and the rest of the portion is tolled. The toll is Rs. 10 for cars. For comparison, the Lyari Expressway charges a car Rs. 25. On the other hand a truck's toll is Rs. 100, but since LE doesn't allow trucks I can't compare. I think coasters pay Rs. 50 which would be the same at LRR.

Having said that, a couple of issues I found with LRR. U-turns are really stupid. The whole rest of Punjab does it really well and LRR did it wrong. There should be an extra lane for u-turns rather than the right-most lane suddenly becoming a u-turn. That's just epically stupid. Second, the wardens should be more vigilant, I saw whole trucks driving in the wrong direction after making u-turns when the next u-turn isn't too far away. They should be given such heavy challans that they never think of doing it again.

Well yes you are right! these u-turns are creating a lots of problems! but the LRR authority was never in the favor of these u-turns, there were protests by ppl living along & at the both sides of LRR that they have to travel too much to get to the other side. The permanent solution was then proposed in the form of an underpass, one underpass was constructed last year near Shadbagh & then I guess there was no budget for more underpasses. These u-turns were supposed to be temporary! but its been now 3 years & it seems like it would remain the same!

So you were in Lhr?

siamu maharaj

July 14th, 2012, 05:48 PM

I kinda figured that was the reason. They really should've made the flyovers when the road was being built, it'd have cost almost next to nothing. Much more expensive to do it now. But I hope those u-turns go away. And I just took motorway > LRR > airport, so wasn't really in Lahore.

OmI92

July 15th, 2012, 05:04 PM

^^
Map (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=92175376&postcount=2763)

Mr.Nabs

July 15th, 2012, 10:52 PM

eyorky

July 16th, 2012, 01:50 AM

Who is stealing all the fancy reflectors ? Almost all of them are gone around Airport area, including on bridges. There are just poles with missing reflectors. I travel a lot on LRR patch infront of Airport, and I noticed those reflectors getting stolen on daily bases. Now only about 10-20 are left out of maybe 200. We are such a pathetic nation.

Right you are Mr Nabs. We are phathetic. Perhaps we do not deserve such modern facilities. We shall never catch the culprits, so they will carry on and may be turn to other items on our roads. I once was driving thru Shahadra GT Road (near Ravi Bridge). Traffic was at stand still as is the case almost always. I saw a middle aged man was stealing the metal railings from the middle of the road. He must have bagged dozens in the broad day light. People will turn blind eye( including myself ) and not to report to Police in case it backfires. What we need is a minimum of 10 years imprisonment handed to these thieves for stealing the Govt. property and hopefully others will think twice before stealing.

Mr.Nabs

July 16th, 2012, 09:30 AM

Right you are Mr Nabs. We are phathetic. Perhaps we do not deserve such modern facilities. We shall never catch the culprits, so they will carry on and may be turn to other items on our roads. I once was driving thru Shahadra GT Road (near Ravi Bridge). Traffic was at stand still as is the case almost always. I saw a middle aged man was stealing the metal railings from the middle of the road. He must have bagged dozens in the broad day light. People will turn blind eye( including myself ) and not to report to Police in case it backfires. What we need is a minimum of 10 years imprisonment handed to these thieves for stealing the Govt. property and hopefully others will think twice before stealing.

The problem lies with our police and justice system, It sucks to the core. Nobody wants to get involved with police, even if its reporting a crime. They are just a bunch of thugs themselves. I once also saw a man who parked his corolla near the airport flyover and started uprooting the flower plants and putting them in his trunk (He has a f****** corolla and can't afford plants ?).
No government ever think about changing the police system, why ? Because corrupt police serves them well. Shahbaz Sharif may have done a lot in improving infrastructure, but doing nothing for police and judiciary proves that he is also one of the corrupt. Crime rate is in all time high, and it will continue to get higher until something is done.

momers

July 16th, 2012, 11:47 AM

ahmadnaveed

July 16th, 2012, 12:34 PM

I always considered it as faulty material and installation by incompetent labor which resulted in ripping off these reflectors.

:nuts: I never imagined that these reflectors can be stolen. Not even plants stealing by mr. corolla and metal railing theft in day light during traffic jam at Ravi.

WaqasQ

July 17th, 2012, 12:06 AM

Whaat...! I always thought these reflector went missing cuz they got ripped off or their bolts broken on the road by car tyres due to the extreme physical environment. It never occurred to me they might be stolen.

These are reflectors on the road surface right?

I think they're talking about the reflectors on the poles, the one's on the road surface are called cat's eye I think.

Talking about cat's eyes, has anyone noticed that cat's eyes are getting quite over sized and nasty lately.

sandiego

July 17th, 2012, 07:58 AM

eyorky

July 17th, 2012, 11:04 AM

Whaat...! I always thought these reflector went missing cuz they got ripped off or their bolts broken on the road by car tyres due to the extreme physical environment. It never occurred to me they might be stolen.

These are reflectors on the road surface right?

Momers although in Mr. Nabs write up he did use the word "reflectors" but at the same time he mentioned the POLES. So I was able to gather what he was on about. As WaqasQ described rightly that the refelctors are called in technical terms "cats eyes". And if I may add that stolen furniture(what is mentioned in Mr.Nabs write up) are found on on sharp bends and they are called(at least in the UK Highway Code) "sharp deviation sign".

OmI92

July 17th, 2012, 11:41 AM

I think they're talking about the reflectors on the poles, the one's on the road surface are called cat's eye I think.

Talking about cat's eyes, has anyone noticed that cat's eyes are getting quite over sized and nasty lately.

Reflectors and cat eyes are same thing. Though cat eyes are only used on road surface while reflectors may be on footpaths, light poles or in the form of a yellow arrow board. Basically cat eyes is a type of reflectors.

And Yes - These cat eyes are getting big as these cat eyes restrict people to drive in one lane. You can see these big sized cat eyes at every signal of jail road.

Shameel

July 17th, 2012, 04:45 PM

My question is, how are they going to get rid of these houses?

Answer:

1. Land Acquisition Act, 1894

2. Bulldozers

Shameel

July 17th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Anyone have an idea when construction on the Southern Loop will commence?

OmI92

July 17th, 2012, 09:34 PM

^^
No such info is available yet.

yasirniazkhan

July 19th, 2012, 05:15 PM

I think they should already start planning for the second loop and leave same route for it. Lateron, land acquisition becomes difficult and costy. A city like Munich, which has one fifth the population of Lahore has three loops. This second loop can go through Jalo and Shahdara, and maybe close to raiwind.

Tayyab Mahmood

July 20th, 2012, 06:29 AM

That's great News..two new underpass at Ring Road..

Geo News Urdu
‏
لاہور: وزیراعلیٰ پنجاب شہبازشریف کی زیرصدارت ٹینٹ آفس میں لاہوررنگ اتھارٹی کااجلاس
لاہور: اجلاس میں رنگ روڈ سے متعلق اہم فیصلے،کرول گھاٹی اورپہنی روڈ پر 2انڈرپاسز تعمیرکرنے کافیصلہ

https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/226166457267023873

OmI92

July 20th, 2012, 11:27 AM

^^
Can you spot these two places on google maps where these underpasses will be built ?

Tayyab Mahmood

July 20th, 2012, 12:34 PM

^^
Can you spot these two places on google maps where these underpasses will be built ?

Karol Ghati underpass would be built along Bhogiwalwal Road.

https://maps.google.com/maps/myplaces?ll=31.604453,74.372635&spn=0.020724,0.042272&ctz=-300&t=m&z=15

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

July 20th, 2012, 02:22 PM

^^

Thats the same area where currently are couple of U turns on LRR...

Strong Hearted

July 20th, 2012, 03:00 PM

Ok so this is good news, once (if) completed we would get rid of the dangerous U-turns at Package 3 (carriage way from Niazi interchange to Mehmood Buti Interchange)

OmI92

July 21st, 2012, 06:25 PM

CM for upkeep of Ring Road

LAHORE - Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif has said that billions of rupees investment has been made on Lahore Ring Road project, therefore, its maintenance and upkeep is of utmost importance.

He stated this while presiding over a high-level meeting of Lahore Ring Road Authority at his Minar e Pakistan tent office on Friday. He asked Lahore Ring Road Authority to evolve a financial model to generate its own resources.
The Chief Minister noted that modern infrastructure promotes economic and commercial activities, therefore, the government is spending billions of rupees on the betterment of road network. He pointed out that a network of roads, bridges, flyovers and underpasses is being laid throughout the province. He informed that the northern portion of the Ring Road has already been completed, while work will soon be initiated on its southern loop.
He said that the northern section of the Ring Road is a remarkable architectural achievement, and, similarly, its southern portion will also be of an unprecedented quality. He said that two underpasses at Karrol Ghati and Bheni Road would be constructed at Lahore Ring Road, besides introducing a modern traffic system to ensure smooth flow of traffic. The Chief Minister ordered that recruitment for Ring Road Police should be made through Punjab Public Service Commission, while the new police force should be trained at Motorway Police Academy.
The meeting was informed that a separate traffic police force, on temporary basis, has been deputed at Ring Road to conduct traffic flow, whereas Rescue-1122 kiosk has been set up at Mehmood Booti Interchange, while two ambulances have also been deputed. Furthermore, construction work on 3.1 km-long road joining Ring Road to Ferozpur Road, at Khaira Distributery, is also being expeditiously completed.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

July 22nd, 2012, 05:47 PM

Independent police force proposed for Ring Road

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/411484-Lahoreringroad-1342920303-291-640x480.gif
“The LRR police force would address traffic issues on the Ring Road, like the NHMP does on the Motorway.”

The Lahore Ring Road Authority (LRRA) has proposed a new police force similar to the National Highway and Motorway Police (NHMP) to regulate traffic on the Ring Road.

Ring Road Authority SP Salman Ali Khan told The Express Tribune that they had proposed a force of between 350 and 450 officials, initially composed of wardens drawn from the traffic police and trained by the NHMP. Later, assistant sub inspectors would be recruited to the force under the Police Order of 2002.

“The LRR police force would address traffic issues on the Ring Road, like the NHMP does on the Motorway,” he said, adding that the proposal had been sent to the Punjab government for approval.

Currently, some 250 wardens on deputation from traffic police are regulating traffic on the 40-kilometre Ring Road Northern Loop from Babu Sabu to Package 17 near Defence Housing Authority. The LRRA is in administrative control of around 28km, as some 12km of road ahead of Ghaziabad is still under the control of the National Logistic Corporation (NLC). This 12-km stretch is still without streetlights.

The NLC is also to build a 2.75-km road, 24-feet wide on each side, along the Khaira Distributory to connect the Northern Loop to Ferozepur Road.

LRRA Enforcement Director Col (r) Asim said that some roadside services needed to be relocated, following which the NLC would start work on the road and finish it in about four months.

He said that the NLC would also install lights on the Ring Road in the section onwards from Ghaziabad.

SP Khan said that the LRRA had sent two proposals regarding its police force. One proposal was that a 3-4km stretch of road from Babu Sabu to Niazi Chowk not be included in the Ring Road. He said that many pedestrians and vehicles sought to cross the road and making it signal-free would result in many accidents. He said that traffic lights should be installed on this stretch. Should this stretch not be included in the Ring Road, the LRRA would require a police force of some 350 personnel, he said. If the stretch were included, the LRRA force would require 450 personnel, he said.

The SP said that under the proposal, the Ring Road sectors would be reclassified so they reflected not the length of the road, but the traffic load. The force would require three cars and six 250cc motorbikes to patrol each sector. The force would also have a distinct uniform.

He said that the force would initially consist of wardens taken from the Punjab Traffic Police or Lahore Traffic Police who would then undergo training courses with the NHMP. Later, the force would recruit ASIs who passed the Provincial Civil Service exams. He said that the LRRA would also prepare its own training courses.

He said that they had sought to recruit 75 ASIs every six months. He said that these officers would not be called wardens, but would start as junior patrol officers (ASI level) and then move up the ranks as patrol officers (SI), senior patrol officers (inspector) and chief patrol officers (DSP).

SP Khan said that the officials in the LRRA police would get good pay and working conditions. They would be required not just to enforce traffic laws, but also to educate road users.

vazim

July 24th, 2012, 02:17 PM

Independent police force proposed for Ring Road

“The LRR police force would address traffic issues on the Ring Road, like the NHMP does on the Motorway.”

The NLC is also to build a 2.75-km road, 24-feet wide on each side, along the Khaira Distributory to connect the Northern Loop to Ferozepur Road.

Well even the straight line from sui gas to Ferozepur road is 3.8 km, ca't get 2.75 km !!! besides 24 feet wide each side ??? are they serious ??? May be the news reporter was a #@$$king retard !

OmI92

July 24th, 2012, 07:56 PM

^^
A typical mistake by the retarded reporters . . .

BTW are they going to add another signal on Ferozepur road ?? If so, then it'll be a nightmare for the commuters to cross this point as there's already a choking point called "Chungi Amar Sadhu".

Strong Hearted

August 9th, 2012, 08:47 PM

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/578645_4328553658011_855800166_n.jpg

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Ariel view of Lahore Ring Road By M. ILyas Shah (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4328535617560&set=oa.10151906258795360&type=1&permPage=1)

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

August 9th, 2012, 08:56 PM

Great views...

PKlover

August 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM

Loving those pics. thanks for sharing!

insomniac00

August 10th, 2012, 12:31 AM

strong hearted May Allah keep your heart strong so that you keep providing us with the absolute anthhhh ki updates...thanks dude :)

taseer121

August 10th, 2012, 12:33 AM

Ameen

lahore88

August 10th, 2012, 05:18 AM

shakeelahmadch

August 10th, 2012, 05:27 AM

Sania

August 10th, 2012, 06:59 AM

wow thatz great....

Dallas1

August 10th, 2012, 09:05 AM

nice... can someone plz label the pics

Dallas1

August 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/531575_4328535617560_1380183567_n.jpg
This must be Ravi RD?

Strong Hearted

August 10th, 2012, 09:48 AM

Yes its Niazi interchange!

Strong Hearted

August 10th, 2012, 09:53 AM

I have few questions. What are the statuses of these two loops or intersections? Since google earth hasnt updated that part of lahore yet, I cant tell if these two loops are completed or not. Also, after that loops in the 2nd picture, there is a dead end and the road turns into a single lane. Did they build the road any further?

http://i.imgur.com/7JVQ7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0G88M.jpg

First pic is of DHA phave V/VI interchange & yes its 100 % complete. The second pic is end of Northern loop. At the moment its dead end but for the time being it will be connected to ferozpur road until & unless work on southern loop gets started which in near future seems impossible!

paklove

August 10th, 2012, 10:56 AM

great pictures.

OmI92

August 10th, 2012, 11:53 AM

Wow ! Some great stuff by the photographer and thnx 4 sharing.

nice... can someone plz label the pics

Ist two are Airport interchange, 3rd is Niazi interchange, 4th is a carriageway near Mehmood booti interchange, 5th and 6th are Quaid-e-Azam interchange on GT road, 7th is Harbanspura interchange on Canal road, 8th and 9th are Abdullah Gul interchange.

PakiDoperz

August 10th, 2012, 01:05 PM

no.. the ring road ends here. southern part will start from here

pak star

August 15th, 2012, 12:27 PM

wow - amazing. Only if air-quality was better - it would've been awesome picture. Should try after rain when the sky is clear.
wow Great pics awesome aerial view.

RFSK

September 6th, 2012, 01:50 PM

hey guys, anyone of you know the status of the new link road between ring road and ferozepur road?

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

September 7th, 2012, 01:36 PM

hey guys, anyone of you know the status of the new link road between ring road and ferozepur road?

No work is going on...

OmI92

September 7th, 2012, 02:22 PM

edit

Pakia

September 7th, 2012, 02:39 PM

^^ Very nice pics and thanks for sharing. But yeah would have been even more bombastic, if the air quality was better.

Here are some more pics (a year old) of Niazi Exchange to drool over.

Latest pics of Lahore ring road!

Landscape work at airport Interchange
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230535_10150175415974487_728394486_6468665_1470214_n.jpg

P-6 Airport Interchange

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225725_10150175412749487_728394486_6468630_4126480_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228765_10150175414479487_728394486_6468648_3170157_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222015_10150175415859487_728394486_6468663_155734_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226715_10150175415189487_728394486_6468654_6071112_n.jpg

P-7 Abdullah Gul Interchange

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228700_10150175414574487_728394486_6468649_4255754_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230600_10150175415669487_728394486_6468659_6380860_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225605_10150175413159487_728394486_6468633_8127525_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222000_10150175415279487_728394486_6468655_203473_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227295_10150175415044487_728394486_6468653_4744373_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224675_10150175414414487_728394486_6468647_5959489_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226200_10150175414054487_728394486_6468644_1249911_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/222615_10150175413819487_728394486_6468642_1152888_n.jpg

P-9 Harbanspura/Canal bank road interchange
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/227850_10150175415569487_728394486_6468658_3059671_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230665_10150175413339487_728394486_6468636_4382673_n.jpg

P-1 Niazi interchange
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224350_10150175415434487_728394486_6468657_5256246_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224345_10150175412379487_728394486_6468626_6446205_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/227280_10150175414724487_728394486_6468650_299692_n.jpg

P-10 GT road/Quaid-e-Azam Interchange
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227480_10150175414284487_728394486_6468646_7268669_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228760_10150175413599487_728394486_6468640_752447_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225170_10150175412469487_728394486_6468627_4629006_n.jpg

P-4 Saggian Interchange
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230295_10150175413454487_728394486_6468638_1207601_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/221940_10150175413034487_728394486_6468632_7067068_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224260_10150175412939487_728394486_6468631_7890675_n.jpg

All pics by Zeeshan Akbar.

OmI92

September 7th, 2012, 03:26 PM

According to the newspapers (http://www.brecorder.com/business-a-economy/189/1234683/):

(1) Underpass at Karol Ghatti on Ring Road, Lahore will cost Rs 735.111 million.

(2) Underpass at Bhaini Road on Ring Road, Lahore will cost Rs 533.316 million.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

September 8th, 2012, 01:47 PM

^^

Thats too much cost, must have been a full fledge 2-3 lanes underpass (that big underpass not required there)...

bablo124

September 9th, 2012, 08:55 AM

OmI92

September 9th, 2012, 10:43 AM

where the location exactly of these two underpasses

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ev5jd2.jpg

farazilu

September 11th, 2012, 09:50 PM

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ev5jd2.jpg

who ever designed the ring road was sleeping Binai road was there before ring road and they did't built a underpass to make money now.. :ohno::ohno::ohno:

OmI92

October 5th, 2012, 10:02 AM

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/1101635497-1_zps40e4a3ae.jpg
http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/1101635497-2_zpse0aa3ae3.gif

hassantariq

October 9th, 2012, 05:42 AM

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/1101635497-1_zps40e4a3ae.jpg
http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/1101635497-2_zpse0aa3ae3.gif

I think they shouldn't charge the Toll Tax :(

RFSK

October 9th, 2012, 06:18 PM

what is the reason behind your thinkin'...

brightside.

October 10th, 2012, 08:48 PM

The way those guys are just sitting there looks so shabby and unprofessional :ohno:

malpensa

October 10th, 2012, 10:01 PM

is that the completed toll booth? hopefully its still under construction

ychaman

October 11th, 2012, 12:03 AM

The way those guys are just sitting there looks so shabby and unprofessional :ohno:

Thats what happens when labor is cheap.....people can be hired to just sit around and just stair at you when you are paying the toll. In terms of the look of the toll booth, that is the look they plan to keep for a while but I certainly hope they take down those umbrellas since they don't look the best after sitting in the sun for a little bit.

xuberant

October 11th, 2012, 01:20 AM

lol... So many people for just one booth... wat a poor management.

One person is enough for it

OmI92

October 11th, 2012, 12:49 PM

Sad to see bikes and rickshaws on ring road :ohno:

Strong Hearted

October 11th, 2012, 04:49 PM

Its the only toll booth where you will see this unprofessional attitude, at all the other toll booths there are only one or two collectors male or female. And this toll collection is managed by NLC.

OmI92

October 12th, 2012, 11:05 AM

Planning and development: Four months in, road near airport only 6% complete

LAHORE: A short road connecting the Ring Road to Ferozepur Road on which construction work began in May is only six per cent complete and will take at least another three or four months to complete, The Express Tribune has learnt.

Work on the 3.16km road running alongside Khaira distributary began on May 24 and the project was estimated to cost Rs334.649 million. But while the project planners initially envisaged it as a road rehabilitation job, they later decided to build the road from scratch, including rebuilding a sewage drain.

The two-lane road would serve as an important connector of the Ring Road past Allama Iqbal International Airport to Ferozepur Road. Currently, the Ring Road ends about eight kilometres past the airport. The Southern Loop of the Ring Road is to start from that point, but work on it has not yet started.

Officials of the National Logistics Cell, the contractor for the project, said the main reason for the delay in building the connecting road was that a sewage drain had had to be rebuilt. They said more that 200 illegal sewage lines from various housing societies had been connected to the drain.

The officials said that the rebuilt drain would be finished in about a month, and building the road would take around another three months on top. They said that the road was six per cent complete and that there could be further delays. They said there are around 140 electricity poles along a one-kilometre stretch of the road near Ferozepur Road and they were relying on Lesco to move them.

They said that the NLC had contacted Lesco to ask they remove the poles, but they had been busy with the Bus Rapid Transit System project. They said that the NLC, which is also the contractor for the BRTS, had also been somewhat sidetracked.

Deputy Project Director Najam Waheed said that engineers were working on the road “at full throttle” and would hopefully finish it in three months. He said that the cause of the delay was the change in design. “When we started it was meant to be more of a rehabilitation project, but the design was later changed by the government and we had to start from scratch. We had to widen the existing 18 feet road to 24 feet and build a proper sewerage drain,” he said.

Southern Loop

Sources in the Punjab government said that the chief minister is expected to meet with officials within the next few days for briefings on the road project and to discuss the Southern Loop. They said that the meeting would consider building the 48km Southern Loop, which the government estimates will cost about Rs58 billion (including Rs30 billion for construction and Rs20 billion for land acquisition), through a private-public partnership.

Under the partnership, a private company would build the road out of its own pocket and then be paid Rs170 billion over the course of the next 17 years, at Rs10 billion each year. There would be no payments for the first three years. The sources said that it had been estimated that nine years after completion, tolls from the Ring Road would generate about Rs10 billion a year. They said that eight companies had shown an interest in the project and four had been short-listed, including Turkish company Albarak, China Construction, the Frontier Works Organisation and local firm SKB (Saadullah Khan & Brothers).

Arshad Mehmood, the head of the Public Private Partnership Cell at the Planning and Development Department, said that the evaluation of financing alternatives was in its very early stages and it was uncertain if this was the option the government would choose. Even if an agreement was reached, the company would then spend at least another six months studying the project.

Source (http://tribune.com.pk/story/450315/planning-and-development-four-months-in-road-near-airport-only-6-complete/)

OmI92

October 12th, 2012, 12:23 PM

edit

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

October 12th, 2012, 06:37 PM

^^

Just give Southern loop to CSCEC, they will do this in 6 months for sure...

insomniac00

October 12th, 2012, 11:36 PM

^^

Just give Southern loop to CSCEC, they will do this in 6 months for sure...

what is CSCEC??

malpensa

October 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM

the company building new ISB airport terminal

China State Construction and engineering corportation i think= ...CSCEC

RFSK

October 13th, 2012, 03:34 PM

yaaron why does the road, where the new link road is supposed to be made, have to names? kamahan road and khaira dist.??

OmI92

October 13th, 2012, 04:35 PM

yaaron why does the road, where the new link road is supposed to be made, have to names? kamahan road and khaira dist.??

Kamahan road is the name of existing road while khaira distributory is used for ganda naala in the middle of road.

RFSK

October 13th, 2012, 05:43 PM

thanks dude! according to the article they would rebuild a existing sewer drainage, but will the ganda naala be underground now, or just covered?

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

October 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM

the company building new ISB airport terminal

China State Construction and engineering corportation i think= ...CSCEC

+1

OmI92

November 3rd, 2012, 12:48 PM

Shahbaz underscores need for maintenance of Ring Road

Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif said that billions of rupees have been spent on the Lahore Ring Road project to rid the people of traffic problems and to provide them with relief; therefore, the upkeep and maintenance of this biggest public welfare project is our joint responsibility. He said that development work on the southern loop of Lahore Ring Road would be commenced soon, whereas a separate police force is being formed to maintain traffic flow on Lahore Ring Road which will begin its work with effect from December 25.

The Chief Minister was presiding a meeting of Lahore Ring Road Authority, attended by Senior Member Board of Revenue, IG Police, Secretaries Finance, Forests, Planning and Development, Communication and Works, Vice Chairman Punjab Investment Board, Commissioner Lahore Division, DG LDA, MD WASA, NLC and NASPAK authorities.

The meeting accorded approval to the budget of Lahore Ring Road Authority for the year 2012-13. Addressing the meeting, Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif said that development work on the southern loop of Lahore Ring Road would commence after dividing it into various portions. He said this project will be an exemplary development project in terms of quality and transparency. Directing expeditious completion of the process of acquisition of land for construction of southern loop, the Chief Minister ordered that toll-collection system at northern loop should be computerised; whereas, an effective business plan should be implemented in order to generate further resources for the project. He said the setting up of economic development zone is of utmost significance for promotion of financial and business activities at Lahore Ring Road. Formulating a committee under the chairmanship of Chairman Planning and Development in this regard, the Chief Minister directed that the committee should present a master plan for setting up of economic development zone along the Lahore Ring Road.

The committee will consist of secretaries of different departments, representatives of Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Members of Punjab Investment Board. He said that a theme park near Jallo Park at Lahore Ring Road would also be constructed which will be completely outsourced. He directed that best companies should be consulted regarding setting up of the theme park. Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif said that horticulture has been promoted at the northern loop of Lahore Ring Road which has been beautified with plants and flowers. He said that the horticulture work which has not been done so far on the remaining three loops of the project should be immediately carried out. The Chief Minister further directed that weigh bridges should also be constructed for maintenance of Lahore Ring Road.

During the meeting, the Chief Minister was given detailed briefing regarding development work at the northern loop, operational work of Lahore Ring Road, setting up of theme park and establishment of economic development zone. A number of important decisions were also taken regarding construction of southern loop of Lahore Ring Road.

Source (http://www.brecorder.com/business-a-economy/189/1254040/)

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 4th, 2012, 11:18 PM

Southern Loop to be built in four sections

Request for proposals on first section to be floated in December.

The 48-kilometre Southern Loop of the Ring Road will be built via a public-private partnership, it was decided at a meeting chaired by Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on Friday.

Sources privy to the meeting said that the Punjab government did not have the money to build the Southern Loop and so it had been decided that it would be built by a private company on a build, lease and transfer basis, that is, the private company would build the road and the government would then lease it from that company.

Ring Road Authority Chief Engineer Javed Ilyas said that the Southern Loop would have four sections and work on all four could start simultaneously, but this would depend on the developers chosen for the project.

The sources said that nine companies had expressed interest in the project and four had been shortlisted. These are the Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), Saadullah Khan and Brothers (SKB), China Constructions and Albarak of Turkey.

Ilyas said that it was too early to say when work on the project would start. Under the terms being offered by the government, the successful bidder would build the road and, 2.5 years after its completion, begin receiving annual payments for the next 15 years.

He said that a BLT model had been chosen for the project rather than a build, operate and transfer because the road tolls would not generate sufficient revenue. The government would pay three times the cost to the developer.

The first zone, SL-1, of the Southern Loop will start at Package 17, the terminus of the Northern Loop, and run for nine kilometres. This section will cost around Rs11 billion to build, and another Rs2 billion to operate and maintain. The government would pay the developer a total of Rs39 billion within 17.5 years of the completion of the section.

The 13-km second section, SL-2, would run till Raiwind and cost around Rs18.5 billion to build, operate and maintain. The government would pay around Rs55.5 billion to the developer.

The 8-km SL-3 would end at Maraka on Multan Road and cost Rs11-12 billion to build, operate and maintain, meaning the government would pay Rs34-36 billion.

SL-4, the longest section of the Southern Loop at 18 km, would terminate at Babu Sabu, completing the Ring Road. The cost including operations and maintenance would be around Rs21 billion, meaning the government would have to pay Rs63 billion within 17.5 years of its construction.

Officials said that SL-1 would be the first to be opened for bidders, with request for proposals to be floated by the end of the year. They said that the concession agreement was not yet final as it needed vetting by the Law Department.

They said that the bidders would be given three months to table their proposals on the basis of the concession agreement, two months for financial closure and six months for design.

They said that the design and financial closure wok could also be done simultaneously. They said that under this timeframe, work on SL-1 could start in around nine months, while it would take another two years to build.

They said that if the government had decided to build the entire Southern Loop on its own in one go, it would cost around Rs58 billion.

No-go zone
Sources involved with the project said that the Punjab government had shelved a plan to buy Rs7 billion worth of agricultural land around SL-2 and SL-3 in order to develop commercial, residential and industrial zones. It had been estimated that the zoning plan could generate Rs70 billion for the government.

Ilyas, the chief engineer, said that government did not have the money to buy the land.

The source said that it was likely that the commercialisation of the road would happen along the same lines as the Northern Loop: private parties would set up shops and so on, and later be granted commercialisation permission.

The sources said that two private land developers stood to make a lot of money via the construction of the Southern Loop.

They said that the two companies were developing housing schemes in khaddar (flood-prone) areas. The Southern Loop would pass through these areas, leaving the housing schemes on the inside. This would mean they would no longer be classified as khaddar areas and thus rise in value.

The sources said that some private investors had bought around 2,000 kanals of agricultural land where they were planning to build a freight terminal called Jinnah Terminal. They said that this land too would be converted from an agricultural area to a commercial area after the construction of the Southern Loop.

Strong Hearted

November 5th, 2012, 06:30 AM

^^ Now that is a lot of money!

pak star

November 6th, 2012, 10:07 AM

Any latest pics of P-11 ?

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 11th, 2012, 09:03 AM

Road works: Two underpasses put on hold due to lack of funds

Plans for the construction of underpasses across the Ring Road in northern Lahore have been shelved for now because of a shortage of funds, The Express Tribune has learnt.

The 9-kilometre Package 3 of the Ring Road’s Northern Loop intersects three major roads and the government had planned to build underpasses at each intersection. One underpass at Shadbagh has been built; the other two were planned on the road going from Bhogewal to Karol Ghati, and on Bheni Road at Mehmood Booti.

A Lahore Ring Road Authority (LRRA) official said that construction had been put on hold subject to the availability of the required funding.

The government is currently engaged with the construction of the Metro Bus Service and the expansion of Multan Road, two major projects worth billions of rupees. Plans to expand Ravi Bridge were also shelved earlier due to a lack of funds. And the government recently invited private companies to build the Southern Loop of the Ring Road as part of a public-private partnership because it does not have the funds to build the 48-km road on its own.

LRRA Deputy Director Najam Waheed said that if a road is intersected by a highway or motorway, the government should provide road users an alternative in the form of a flyover or underpass. Presently, he said, additional turns had been created on Package 3 to accommodate local residents who need to cross the road. “These u-turns are problematic as they slow traffic on the Ring Road,” he said. They were not particularly convenient for vehicles travelling locally either, he said, as they still needed to make a detour of several kilometres.

LRRA Chief Engineer Javed Ilyas said that the underpasses had been put on hold owing to the non-availability of funds. He said the project would be started “as soon as the government has some funds”.

High enough?
The underpass at Shadbagh was built in 2009 and quickly came under criticism because, at 3.6 metres, it is not high enough for heavy traffic. The northern parts of Lahore are home to several small industries and warehouses and a National Engineering Services of Pakistan study showed that the three roads bisected by the Ring Road are commonly used by heavy traffic.

Keeping the criticism in view, Project Management Unit officials proposed to the Planning and Development Department that the next two underpasses be 5.1 metres tall so they can accommodate large vehicles, said an official familiar with the project. However, the department turned down the proposal because at Rs1.35 billion, the project was too expensive. “We were advised to revise the project to lower cost,” he said,

The official said that a second proposal was sent to the Planning and Development Department for two flyovers costing Rs1.21 billion. This proposal was also turned down for being too expensive.

Finally, it was proposed that two 3.6-metre underpasses be built at the intersections at a cost of Rs1.04 billion. The project was approved last month and forwarded to the Chief Minister’s Secretariat. There, it was put on hold due to a lack of funds, said the official.

Khalid Javed of the Planning and Development Department section concerned said that the NESPAK study of the roads did show that they were used by heavy traffic, but the numbers were not so high as to merit building the more expensive underpasses.

He said that the shorter underpasses would still provide relief to locals and allow the closing of the additional u-turns on the Ring Road. He said that it wasn’t unreasonable to expect trucks to add a few extra kilometres to their journeys via the Ring Road. He said he was unaware of any postponement of the project.

bablo124

November 12th, 2012, 06:29 AM

Lahore Ring Road

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/81971934.jpg

momers

November 12th, 2012, 11:05 AM

approx Rs. 600 million for one underpass?! Seriously, that is too much mney for just an underpass!

Underpasses, the way they are designed and built in Pk are of the most simple or basic designs, so basic that the design can be called primitive.

How can then such a primitive design cost Rs. 1.2 billion for just two under passes?

I think they need to innovate on how to design simple and cost effective underpasses and do the construction in a very efficient manner, say without digging too much extra or use pre-fabricated materials? Any civil engineers here care to comment?

Either that, or the cost of construction has really really gone high!

I compare that to the total cost of BRT project and something sounds wrong here.

Road works: Two underpasses put on hold due to lack of funds

Plans for the construction of underpasses across the Ring Road in northern Lahore have been shelved for now because of a shortage of funds, The Express Tribune has learnt.

The 9-kilometre Package 3 of the Ring Road’s Northern Loop intersects three major roads and the government had planned to build underpasses at each intersection. One underpass at Shadbagh has been built; the other two were planned on the road going from Bhogewal to Karol Ghati, and on Bheni Road at Mehmood Booti.

A Lahore Ring Road Authority (LRRA) official said that construction had been put on hold subject to the availability of the required funding.

The government is currently engaged with the construction of the Metro Bus Service and the expansion of Multan Road, two major projects worth billions of rupees. Plans to expand Ravi Bridge were also shelved earlier due to a lack of funds. And the government recently invited private companies to build the Southern Loop of the Ring Road as part of a public-private partnership because it does not have the funds to build the 48-km road on its own.

LRRA Deputy Director Najam Waheed said that if a road is intersected by a highway or motorway, the government should provide road users an alternative in the form of a flyover or underpass. Presently, he said, additional turns had been created on Package 3 to accommodate local residents who need to cross the road. “These u-turns are problematic as they slow traffic on the Ring Road,” he said. They were not particularly convenient for vehicles travelling locally either, he said, as they still needed to make a detour of several kilometres.

LRRA Chief Engineer Javed Ilyas said that the underpasses had been put on hold owing to the non-availability of funds. He said the project would be started “as soon as the government has some funds”.

High enough?
The underpass at Shadbagh was built in 2009 and quickly came under criticism because, at 3.6 metres, it is not high enough for heavy traffic. The northern parts of Lahore are home to several small industries and warehouses and a National Engineering Services of Pakistan study showed that the three roads bisected by the Ring Road are commonly used by heavy traffic.

Keeping the criticism in view, Project Management Unit officials proposed to the Planning and Development Department that the next two underpasses be 5.1 metres tall so they can accommodate large vehicles, said an official familiar with the project. However, the department turned down the proposal because at Rs1.35 billion, the project was too expensive. “We were advised to revise the project to lower cost,” he said,

The official said that a second proposal was sent to the Planning and Development Department for two flyovers costing Rs1.21 billion. This proposal was also turned down for being too expensive.

Finally, it was proposed that two 3.6-metre underpasses be built at the intersections at a cost of Rs1.04 billion. The project was approved last month and forwarded to the Chief Minister’s Secretariat. There, it was put on hold due to a lack of funds, said the official.

Khalid Javed of the Planning and Development Department section concerned said that the NESPAK study of the roads did show that they were used by heavy traffic, but the numbers were not so high as to merit building the more expensive underpasses.

He said that the shorter underpasses would still provide relief to locals and allow the closing of the additional u-turns on the Ring Road. He said that it wasn’t unreasonable to expect trucks to add a few extra kilometres to their journeys via the Ring Road. He said he was unaware of any postponement of the project.

momers

November 12th, 2012, 11:12 AM

Dallas1

November 12th, 2012, 02:50 PM

wow never noticed this before but University of Punjab looks like a guitar :)

passion_to_discover

November 12th, 2012, 06:50 PM

Also like a "V"ictory sign :=)

santix

November 12th, 2012, 07:23 PM

Hey where did you get this map from?!

Interesting thing to note, the city boundaries shown on this map are from the city boundaries I have drawn for Lahore on Google Map Maker and if you search for Lahore on Google Maps, you will be shown that boundary. :)

I can tell you that officially Lahore city does not have a formal boundary! (I have spoken to the planners). This current boundary takes care of the current contiguous urbanized areas. housing societies built far off are not a part of the city polygon, but do fall under the Lahore district.

We are actually having a debate on the Google Map Maker forum about how to enhance and improve the city boundary. You can join in on the discussion here. (https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mapping-pakistan/oI99kMexUgc/discussion)

U r right. I think, this is one of the major reason that our metropolitan cities (Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala etc) are listed much lower on lists of biggest cities or biggest urban agglomerations.
In USA particulary, they use the term Greater Chicago, Greater Boston or CMA (Combined Metropolitan Areas) to include all the suburbs of the cities in city urban population.

If there were some term like Greater Lahore, it would include many areas like Shahdar, Sundar which are probably not otherwise included in the city.

PKlover

November 12th, 2012, 07:39 PM

i think shahdara is part of lahore city too, why it is not included in city boundary?

OmI92

November 12th, 2012, 07:46 PM

Yes Shahdara is in Lahore district and it touches the boundary of main city across the river so it should be included in google maps too.

santix

November 12th, 2012, 07:51 PM

Not only Shahdara, it should be all Sheikhupura Road till Kot Abdul Malik.
And even on GT Road, it can be few more km ahead of Shahdara

OmI92

November 12th, 2012, 07:53 PM

^^
Till Ferozewala bcz Ferozewala is in Sheikhupura district.

santix

November 12th, 2012, 08:03 PM

Crossing the district boundry is not an issue even. CMA of NY City expands in 3 separate states i.e. NY, NJ and Massachusetts.

In my own definition, i would count all those areas in the CMA of a city, till which the public transport and certain other facilities of the main city are extended.

momers

November 13th, 2012, 05:42 PM

Shahdara is a small city.town in the Disctrict of Lahore, it is not part of the city.

Similarly, many villages/towns exist on the outskits of the coty of lahore but within the district of Lahore.

It is misleading when housing society developers say their scheme is in Lahore city!

E.g. Lake City or Central Park housing Scheme, they are all far removed from city center, but yes they are part of District Lahore.

i think shahdara is part of lahore city too, why it is not included in city boundary?

momers

November 13th, 2012, 05:43 PM

Yes Shahdara is in Lahore district and it touches the boundary of main city across the river so it should be included in google maps too.

as you said, Shahdara is in Lahore DISTRICT.

Shahdara is already on Google Maps, but as a separate city/town. see this map (http://goo.gl/maps/1b0Zv).

momers

November 13th, 2012, 05:48 PM

Yes there is a Lahore Metropolitan Area, defined by the LDA, it includes Shahdara, Qasur etc. But for all planning purposes, these areas mean nothing yet.

Recently city and regional planners have been calling attention to, that instead of Lahore only, the REGION of Lahore should be holistically planned and developed and that includes the above regions.

Sorry, dont have links to those stories, but can be googled. I do have an old LDA map which showed the Lahore region.

U r right. I think, this is one of the major reason that our metropolitan cities (Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala etc) are listed much lower on lists of biggest cities or biggest urban agglomerations.
In USA particulary, they use the term Greater Chicago, Greater Boston or CMA (Combined Metropolitan Areas) to include all the suburbs of the cities in city urban population.

If there were some term like Greater Lahore, it would include many areas like Shahdar, Sundar which are probably not otherwise included in the city.

Intoxication

November 13th, 2012, 06:07 PM

Thanks for the info momers. Could you provide us with that LDA map? Thanks. :cheers:

santix

November 13th, 2012, 06:09 PM

^^
Thanks momers
Thats gud if they have done something like that...
what i meant that these things should be reflected in statistics as well. Like Lahore is still said to have abt 7 million population. But if we consider larger Lahore, it may be around 10-12 Million.

momers

November 14th, 2012, 09:18 AM

Will try share soon, need to photoshop a bit! keep in mind its a n old one and i dunno what new definitions or zones being used.

Thanks for the info momers. Could you provide us with that LDA map? Thanks. :cheers:

momers

November 14th, 2012, 09:20 AM

My hunch is when population data is shared it is done on District basis. I am like 80% certain of that :)

So when you read Lahore has 7 million pop. it was for lahore district since boundaries for the district are defined but no boundaries for the city exist as I mentioned earlier.

All data for populations is quoted in PK on District or Tehsil/Town level.

^^
Thanks momers
Thats gud if they have done something like that...
what i meant that these things should be reflected in statistics as well. Like Lahore is still said to have abt 7 million population. But if we consider larger Lahore, it may be around 10-12 Million.

OmI92

November 15th, 2012, 05:40 PM

DHA Phase V/VI Interchange (Nawaz Shareef Interchange)

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/phase56.jpg

Sui Gas Society Interchange

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/sngi.jpg

momers

November 16th, 2012, 01:19 PM

Oh nice, most of Lahore has been updated with September 2012 imagery! I had been waiting for this. Just saw yesterday that entire Karachi too has imagery from OCTOBER 2012.

DHA Phase V/VI Interchange (Nawaz Shareef Interchange)

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/phase56.jpg

Sui Gas Society Interchange

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/sngi.jpg

OmI92

November 17th, 2012, 01:04 PM

Names of some interchanges of LRR have to be changed soon.

http://i50.tinypic.com/iqka6o.jpg

momers

November 18th, 2012, 09:36 AM

Just realized, I got that Lahore plan I mentioned form HERE (http://www.estateman.com/maps/html/lahore_master_plan1.html)

Remember: This map area is bigger than the district of Lahore and comprises the Lahore Region AREA: i.e. parts of other districts included.

Will try share soon, need to photoshop a bit! keep in mind its a n old one and i dunno what new definitions or zones being used.

OmI92

November 18th, 2012, 11:07 AM

Is this map a shows master plan 2021 which includes a new Central business district in the south of Lahore ?

Here it is:-
http://www.lda.gop.pk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=272&Itemid=106

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 18th, 2012, 03:45 PM

Ring Road: New traffic police force to start by end of year

Wardens: 300 will be the strength of the Lahore Ring Road Traffic Police.

A Ring Road Traffic Police force of around 300 will likely become operational by the end of the year, said Lahore Ring Road Authority Superintendent of Police Salman Ali Khan.

The force is being modelled on the National Highways and Motorways Police and the 300 wardens are currently undergoing training in traffic management at the Motorways Police Training School, the SP told The Express Tribune on Monday.

The force will not just implement traffic laws on the Ring Road, but also educate commuters, he said.

The LRRA force will initially have 36 motorcycles and 10 cars for patrolling. It will also have help vehicles to assist commuters, a tow vehicle, a ‘mobile workshop vehicle’, a fuelling vehicle and a fork lifter. A mobile canteen will also be run to provide the LRRA police meals.

The wardens will have brown uniforms, similar to the NHMP, said the SP. He said that the inspector general of Punjab Police and the chief minister had approved the design. The IG will have operational control of the force, while the LRRA will have administrative control.

SP Khan said that long work hours was one of the main reasons for the poor performance of the police and so the new force would work only eight hours a day, with one weekly holiday.

He said that the 300 wardens had been selected from among Punjab Traffic Police wardens who had applied for the posts. He said that LRRA wardens would have a 25 per cent higher salary.

The SP said that initially, the force’s main aim would be to educate commuters on traffic laws and safe driving practices on the Ring Road. He said that they would start issuing traffic tickets later on, but no ticketing targets would be set.

He said that the help vehicles would give commuters a sense of security. “If a car breaks down, there will be a mobile workshop to repair it. A commuter help vehicle will be able to drop commuters at their houses in the city,” he said. The mobile fuelling vehicle will assist commuters who have run out of petrol.

An official in the Lahore traffic police said that all the wardens lost to the Ring Road force had been replaced, so there would be no difference to traffic enforcement in the rest of Lahore.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 18th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Bus project devours Ring Road south loop

The Punjab government’s complete focus on the Rapid Bus Transit System (RBTS) for the last one year has shifted all the resources as well as attention to the mammoth project at the cost of many other projects of prime importance. One instance in this regard is 50km long southern loop of Lahore Ring Road from Kamahan Village to Babu Sabu which has been completely ignored by the Shahbaz government. The portion of the Ring Road was scheduled to start in the early 2012.

However, efforts are underway to lease the project to private parties so that construction work could be started early 2013, sources told The News.

The Ring Road, which can be termed the best strategic road for easing unusual traffic load and rush on City’s main arteries, is the major corridor around the provincial metropolis.

The total length of the project, which began in 2006, is about 90km, out of which 40km (Northern Loop) has been completed while the start of 50kms southern loop has been delayed for over eight months. The government officials claim that the project has been delayed due to the lack of funds.

The sources in Lahore Ring Road authority told The News that the Punjab government was facing serious shortage of money to build the southern loop of the road and it had decided to lease it to a private company on a build, lease and transfer basis, which means that the company would build the road and the government would lease the road from the company.

Talking to The News, Lahore Ring Road project director Rashid Langriyal said that the government was soliciting expression of interest from well-reputed national and international firms to undertake work on the remaining portion of the Ring Road, costing about Rs 50billion on a public-private partnership basis. He said that the southern loop would have four sections and work on all the four could start simultaneously but this would depend on the developers chosen for the project. He said the firms/developers would be responsible for detailed engineering, design financing, construction, operation and maintenance and transfer of the project to the authority at the completion of concession period.

Langriyal further said that various local and international firms were under consultation by the Ring Road authority and soon an agreement would be finalised. The southern loop work would start by January 2013, he added.

He said that a “build, lease and transfer” model had been chosen for the project rather than a build, operate and transfer because the road tolls would not generate sufficient revenue.

The first zone, SL-1, of the southern loop will start at Package 17, the terminus of the Northern Loop, and run for nine kilometers. This section will cost around Rs11 billion to build and another Rs2 billion to operate and maintain.

The 13-km second section, SL-2, would run till Raiwind and cost around Rs18.5 billion to build, operate and maintain.

The eight kilometer long SL-3 will end at Maraka on the Multan Road and cost Rs 11 to 12 billion.

SL-4, the longest section of the southern loop at 18km, would end at Babu Sabu and its cost including operations and maintenance would be around Rs21 billion.

Talking to The News, Commissioner Lahore Jawad Rafique Malik said that government would start working on the Lahore Ring Road, Phase-2, soon after signing of the agreement with private firms.

He denied the reports that the Ring Road phase was being delayed due to the Rapid Bus Transit project, adding that government had allocated funds for both projects, separately.

Intoxication

November 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM

I would say the Metro Bus System is a lot more important than the Ring Road atm.

Strong Hearted

November 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM

I would say the Metro Bus System is a lot more important than the Ring Road atm.

Agree!

momers

November 20th, 2012, 06:53 AM

I would say the Metro Bus System is a lot more important than the Ring Road atm.

agreed.

LAQ

November 20th, 2012, 09:44 AM

They both are equally important...

OmI92

November 20th, 2012, 07:35 PM

Toss kar lete hain.

Metropole

November 20th, 2012, 07:57 PM

Frankly I prefer the ring road over the bus line. If it was a train line I would prefer it over the ring road. If I was SS I would loot some money from NS and build both.

A bus line may be better than nothing but it's still a second best solution.

Metropole

November 20th, 2012, 08:00 PM

By the way, it sounds weird to me that to make the bus line successful they have to ban existing private buses. That seems to suggest that the feasibility of the project was out of whack.

OmI92

November 20th, 2012, 08:03 PM

People have got a habit of travelling in fast coasters, wagons and chingchis. Nobody will bother to first walk a few meters, climb the overhead bridge, then travel in the metro bus and then walk a few meters to get to his destination. People will still use private vehicles unless they got banned. So to ban all these vehicles is the only solution to overcome this habit.

Intoxication

November 20th, 2012, 08:33 PM

Rapid transit, whether it be bus or train, is in my opinion always a better option for a city instead of making new roads, overpasses and underpasses.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 20th, 2012, 08:52 PM

By the way, it sounds weird to me that to make the bus line successful they have to ban existing private buses. That seems to suggest that the feasibility of the project was out of whack.

Around 100 buses will run on this track, which is not enough, so banning other private buses won't solve the problem...

RFSK

November 21st, 2012, 12:08 AM

was'nt reduced to 45? but if those 45 or 100 buses are successful (packed) they have money for more... and in our countries habits and mindsets are difficult to change, sometimes the best option is to force them into it, by only giving them 1 option:-)

asif1975

November 21st, 2012, 04:31 AM

OmI92

November 21st, 2012, 04:45 PM

????

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Lahore: Flaws in ring road designs trouble citizens

http://dunyanews.tv/news/2011/May/05-25-11/news_big_images/26826_99383233.jpg

Bad planning of the fly over on the airport and ring road has increased the risk of accidents.

Serious flaws have been found in the planning of the airport road and the ring road. Serious errors in the construction have become a source of problem for the people and have also increased the risk of accidents.Changes were made to the designs of the ring road to make it a single free way and as a result, many internal and external paths had to be closed. A person coming from Abdullah Gul interchange towards the airport via the fly over reaches a place from where it is confusing to find the way to the airport.The fly over exits on the road from the traffic is coming in from the opposite direction. Commuters, usually from outside Lahore heading towards the airport end up going in a direction opposite to the airport. Officials responsible for the concerned section of the airport said that the Civil Aviation authority had to construct a hotel in the allotted space which is why the location of the fly-overs had to be changed.

Source (http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Regional/52411-Lahore-Flaws-in-ring-road-designs-trouble-citizen)

PKlover

November 21st, 2012, 05:30 PM

yes, it is a lil bit confusing.... but just count the advantages of the ring road too...

i think some reporters are more critical on public projects... may be due to their political affiliations...

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 21st, 2012, 05:47 PM

^^

Its not all that confusing, sign boards are well placed...

OmI92

November 21st, 2012, 05:49 PM

^^
+1

Don't know whats problem with every TV channel. They can't see development. :bash:

shakeelahmadch

November 21st, 2012, 11:44 PM

^^ it's just dunya news - you would keep hearing such stories out of them for sometime till the elections are over.

Shameel

November 22nd, 2012, 11:01 AM

????

------------------------------

Lahore: Flaws in ring road designs trouble citizens

Bad planning of the fly over on the airport and ring road has increased the risk of accidents.

Serious flaws have been found in the planning of the airport road and the ring road. Serious errors in the construction have become a source of problem for the people and have also increased the risk of accidents.Changes were made to the designs of the ring road to make it a single free way and as a result, many internal and external paths had to be closed. A person coming from Abdullah Gul interchange towards the airport via the fly over reaches a place from where it is confusing to find the way to the airport.The fly over exits on the road from the traffic is coming in from the opposite direction. Commuters, usually from outside Lahore heading towards the airport end up going in a direction opposite to the airport. Officials responsible for the concerned section of the airport said that the Civil Aviation authority had to construct a hotel in the allotted space which is why the location of the fly-overs had to be changed.

Source (http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Regional/52411-Lahore-Flaws-in-ring-road-designs-trouble-citizen)

It's especially confusing if you're 100 paindoos coming in 10 different vans and coasters from 10 different directions to pick up or drop 1 passenger.

RFSK

November 22nd, 2012, 11:04 AM

It's confusing for 100 paindoos coming in 10 different vans and coasters from different directions to pick up or drop 1 passenger.
sounds like your talking of firsthand experience;-)

Shameel

November 22nd, 2012, 11:09 AM

sounds like your talking of firsthand experience;-)

...as a witness only.

RFSK

November 22nd, 2012, 11:26 AM

...as a witness only.

:okay:

pak star

November 28th, 2012, 02:56 PM

Package-11 from HCS
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/peacefull_citizen/lrr2.jpg
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pak star

November 28th, 2012, 03:30 PM

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/peacefull_citizen/36-1.jpg
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pak star

November 28th, 2012, 03:32 PM

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/peacefull_citizen/16.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/peacefull_citizen/22-2.jpg
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asif1975

November 28th, 2012, 04:03 PM

Nice work Done

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

November 28th, 2012, 07:18 PM

Looks awesome...

paklove

November 29th, 2012, 12:27 AM

Beautiful pictures, the quality of the ring road is world class. Thanks for sharing.

OmI92

November 30th, 2012, 10:51 AM

http://i48.tinypic.com/24nk6me.gif

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

December 1st, 2012, 09:27 AM

^^ Lets see...

CM laptop program 2nd phase will start from Dec, 5th. They will distribute laptops worth Rs. 4 billion. Why don't they put that money into development projects???

Malik Architect

December 1st, 2012, 02:59 PM

^^ Lets see...

CM laptop program 2nd phase will start from Dec, 5th. They will distribute laptops worth Rs. 4 billion. Why don't they put that money into development projects???

Good point Mr. Ahmad. Computer labs should be built in every school, college and university rather than distibitung Laptops. Society should get benefits rather than few indiviuals.

We need to invest heavily on ifrastructure as no nation can progress without proper infrastructure.

Malik Architect

December 1st, 2012, 06:02 PM

Wonderful work. Just one little improvement.

Replacement of existing lights with LED Solar Lights, same as on canal road.

sandiego

December 1st, 2012, 10:29 PM

^^ Lets see...

CM laptop program 2nd phase will start from Dec, 5th. They will distribute laptops worth Rs. 4 billion. Why don't they put that money into development projects???

because they want to buy cheap votes.

usually the laptop programs are for poor people who cannot afford the costs or schools labs that cannot afford the expense. but i know people that are quite well off that know other people who are also well off that received laptops.

:bash:

sandiego

December 1st, 2012, 10:30 PM

*school*

khalid-don

December 2nd, 2012, 04:55 AM

Good point Mr. Ahmad. Computer labs should be built in every school, college and university rather than distibitung Laptops. Society should get benefits rather than few indiviuals.

We need to invest heavily on ifrastructure as no nation can progress without proper infrastructure.

I second that. We just have incompetent govt. ruling the country. I am surprised they haven't yet started an IT park or some other infrastructure project which helps IT industry grow in size. I also heard most companies are struggling to find quality candidate, they probably need to focus on quality education and open some internationally recognized universities or improve the quality of existing institutions. Sharif brotheran during 2008 election compaign primised to convert Punjab assembly into IT unviersity. Do we know if there is any progress on that front?

Malik Architect

December 2nd, 2012, 10:29 AM

I second that. We just have incompetent govt. ruling the country. I am surprised they haven't yet started an IT park or some other infrastructure project which helps IT industry grow in size. I also heard most companies are struggling to find quality candidate, they probably need to focus on quality education and open some internationally recognized universities or improve the quality of existing institutions. Sharif brotheran during 2008 election compaign primised to convert Punjab assembly into IT unviersity. Do we know if there is any progress on that front?

True, in China we can find branches of all world famous universities.

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

December 2nd, 2012, 11:07 AM

OmI92

December 2nd, 2012, 01:46 PM

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t520/umarfarooq902/p3_06-1.jpg

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

December 2nd, 2012, 03:49 PM

^^

They should give Southern loop to China State Construction Engineering Corporation (CSCEC) as the company was shortlisted too...

khalid-don

December 2nd, 2012, 10:20 PM

CM house into IT university, still dreaming...

Yeah that project is now a dream :(

pak star

December 4th, 2012, 01:51 PM

^^ r u talking about all four CM houses? :)

Ahmad Rashid Ahmad

December 4th, 2012, 04:29 PM

^^ r u talking about all four CM houses? :)

Only Punjab's CM house...

Tayyab Mahmood

December 13th, 2012, 05:30 AM

:bash:

http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20121213/Sub_Images/1101694401-1.jpg

Source: Daily Express (http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=City_Page002&Date=20121213&Pageno=2&View=1)

RFSK

December 13th, 2012, 11:18 AM

malpensa

December 14th, 2012, 02:19 AM

did they make a berlin wall in lahore? isnt that barb wire excess?

and some one broke it on purpose or accident?

shakeelahmadch

December 14th, 2012, 02:25 AM

did they make a berlin wall in lahore? isnt that barb wire excess?

and some one broke it on purpose or accident?

They made to stop what people are doing and yet they find a way

Metropole

December 14th, 2012, 03:13 AM

It shows bad planning. Pakistani cities need to be designed with pedestrians and cyclists in mind. The babus who build the roads forget that 90% or more of the public don't own cars.

siamu maharaj

December 14th, 2012, 08:05 AM

It shows bad planning. Pakistani cities need to be designed with pedestrians and cyclists in mind. The babus who build the roads forget that 90% or more of the public don't own cars.
There's a pedestrian bridge right there.

Strong Hearted

December 14th, 2012, 08:12 AM

There is a pedestrian bridge every 800-900 meters on LRR.

Metropole

December 14th, 2012, 09:40 AM

There is a pedestrian bridge every 800-900 meters on LRR.

Yeah, but if you live halfway between the bridges it means you have to walk almost a kilometer extra to get across.

In Islamabad they completely forgot about pedestrians when they designed the zero point interchange and only built it when people complained. For Gods sale, this is the capital of the country so don't they have any decent planners who would foresee this issue?

Whenever I'm in Pakistan I'm amazed how rich people imagine they're living in Texas and completely ignore the existence of the teeming masses.

paklove

December 14th, 2012, 05:58 PM

Yeah, but if you live halfway between the bridges it means you have to walk almost a kilometer extra to get across.

In Islamabad they completely forgot about pedestrians when they designed the zero point interchange and only built it when people complained. For Gods sale, this is the capital of the country so don't they have any decent planners who would foresee this issue?

Whenever I'm in Pakistan I'm amazed how rich people imagine they're living in Texas and completely ignore the existence of the teeming masses.
I agree with you. Our planners don't think about the pedestrians on the roads. Pedestrian bridges & walkways are an integral part of a smoothly run transport system.

momers

December 14th, 2012, 10:38 PM

A very badly planned portion of the ring road. A pain for the drivers and the residents and the pedestrians. Should have cared more for the on foot traffic.

:bash:

http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20121213/Sub_Images/1101694401-1.jpg

Source: Daily Express (http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=City_Page002&Date=20121213&Pageno=2&View=1)

santix

December 15th, 2012, 07:59 AM

^^
I am unable to understand,,, what is more care for padesterians... Should they build a foot bridge every 50 feet.

asif1975

December 15th, 2012, 09:41 AM

^^
I am unable to understand,,, what is more care for padesterians... Should they build a foot bridge every 50 feet.

Our nation wont walk on foot bridge.On multan road they had made but there is kabza of radrees and stalls

siamu maharaj

December 15th, 2012, 12:35 PM

Yeah, but if you live halfway between the bridges it means you have to walk almost a kilometer extra to get across.

In Islamabad they completely forgot about pedestrians when they designed the zero point interchange and only built it when people complained. For Gods sale, this is the capital of the country so don't they have any decent planners who would foresee this issue?

Whenever I'm in Pakistan I'm amazed how rich people imagine they're living in Texas and completely ignore the existence of the teeming masses.
THe fuck do you want? A bridge every 100 m? People have to walk, big deal. You sound like those who would drive the wrong way instead of taking a turn that's less than 10 METERS away. What is your solution? No roads anywhere?

zee123

December 15th, 2012, 03:37 PM

I don't know but one thing is pretty damn true, To make each and every soul happy in this world is nearly impossible! By the way what do you want? should they be building foot bridges every on 20 meters? Do you have idea how much this kind of bridge cost?
And look picture is very clear these stupid ladies could have easily walk, that bridge is no too far . Put some fine in their electricity or gas bill , would be easy to collect money and people like these idiots will learn their lesson and never do again.

Shameel

December 16th, 2012, 01:18 PM

A very badly planned portion of the ring road. A pain for the drivers and the residents and the pedestrians. Should have cared more for the on foot traffic.

:ohno: See those bridges in the not so far distance? Those are pedestrian bridges. These women should have walked to them to cross the road.

santix

December 16th, 2012, 01:44 PM

^^
A friend of mine use to say
Even if u make toilets of gold and silver, the one who is used to piss while standing will keep on doing so.

momers

December 16th, 2012, 02:12 PM

Those companing about this, I can see 2 reasons.
1. Pakistains dont give a damn. True. only to an extent.

2. This is a DESIGN problem.

How many times studies have been carried out to find the most used pedestrian hotspots and most frequent crossing points? Any analysis or simulations done?

Is the pedestrian infrastructure around the bridge convenient to use and is it seamless. Do you have to actively THINK that oh i need to cross a bridge or is the bridge just magically there where you need it?

Are the foot paths wide enough encroachment free, safe and easy to use? Do the zebra crossings in the nearby lanes exist? DO the foot paths and crossing lead you conveniently to the foot bridge?

All these questions will have a NO answer to them. Hence this is a design problem.

If so many bridges are unused (except Kinnair College Lahore bridge) then some one is designing and placing them at the wrong locations!

If no one is using your product, it tells me that your product sucks and it doesnt fulfill the needs of the consumer. Simple.

The citizen/pedestrian is the consumer and the govt and architects and planners the service providers.

Let us a design a foot bridge and place it where it is actually needed and let us fix the holistic pedestrian design of the surrounding area.

Then we can complain all we like that people dont like to use the bridges.

^^
I am unable to understand,,, what is more care for padesterians... Should they build a foot bridge every 50 feet.

santix

December 16th, 2012, 04:31 PM

i m sorry momers bro... i dont want to be indulged into discussion. just a last post on this issue :)

what u r saying,,, means that a foot bridge needs to be placed very accurately.. may be accuracy upto inches. because, in the under discussion pic, we can see that foot bridge is hardly very far (to impose any unwanted / unnecessary walk).

Anyways, its a useless discussion, as i dont see any change in such like behavior even if foot bridge is right above one's head.

siamu maharaj

December 16th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Someone ban momers.

zee123

December 16th, 2012, 07:12 PM

To some extent i do agree with you. Yes you are right. Our engineers, designers, draft-men, and other technical staff are not fully aware of international standards even some of them do but again too much politics and leg pulling and other bull crap.

But again what about those countries where every thing is properly planed? What about USA, UK, Australia and Canada? Don't people do crime over there? Don't people sell drugs and drink too much alcohol and do hit and run? How many people die every year in USA just because of drink driving?
The reality is, some people are design like a piece of trash and they want to be a piece of trash.

My friend there are some people , when you say sky is blue they say no its red. And when you say no its red they say no its blue. You can't do much about those people.They only understand force and strength. That's it.

Metropole

December 16th, 2012, 08:09 PM

This is not a useless discussion since this forum is all about architecture and planning. I actually agree with momers since that's exactly what I've been saying all along - Pakistani planners are not taking pedestrians seriously when designing roads.

I just used this case as an example of the problem but I'm not 100% knowledgeable of design flaws with this project. I know that some sections of this highway pass through heavily populated neighborhoods which have been cut off.

I gave the case of zero point interchange in Islamabad where they completely forgot about pedestrians and are only now building bridges as an afterthought.

Previously I've given examples of Tariq Road in Karachi which has no proper continuous footpath and you're forced to walk on the road, and this is the premier shopping area of Karachi. So there's no doubt that this problem is common to the whole of Pakistan.

If we want to progress then we'll need to see how this problem is dealt with in other countries and improve our own planning and design.

Metropole

December 16th, 2012, 08:15 PM

This is one of the sections of the ring road. You can see that the whole neighbourhood has been split in half. I bet this is the area the photo is from. Someone living in the middle and wanting to visit their mamoo across the road may want to cut across. Either they could put several pedestrian bridges close together or they could have elevated the highway in this section. You can see how many roads have been cut off.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8079/8277727347_d7e7c87f83_o.jpg

Intoxication

December 17th, 2012, 01:29 AM

Someone ban momers.

No. He actually knows what he is talking about.

santix

December 17th, 2012, 09:33 AM

No. He actually knows what he is talking about.
Agree. Momers is speaking with some logic. I may not agree with that, but we cant deny anybody's right to spk.

He is not saying like,,, why ring road not expand ,,, etc etc :D :D

siamu maharaj

December 17th, 2012, 10:20 AM

No. He actually knows what he is talking about.
I hate opinions like that. Esp. when some mai ka laal lives or studies in the West and brings that bullshit here.

OmI92

December 17th, 2012, 10:55 AM

Agree. Momers is speaking with some logic. I may not agree with that, but we cant deny anybody's right to spk.

He is not saying like,,, why ring road not expand ,,, etc etc :D :D

:lol::lol:

Intoxication

December 17th, 2012, 11:01 AM

I hate opinions like that. Esp. when some mai ka laal lives or studies in the West and brings that bullshit here.

I swear he's based in Lahore no? And thats your personal problem that you hate opinions like that.

Metropole

December 17th, 2012, 11:40 AM

I hate opinions like that. Esp. when some mai ka laal lives or studies in the West and brings that bullshit here.

Itna ghusa? :)

Are we here to discuss things or what? I thought this was a discussion forum, not just a news update site.

Look at the cities in East Asian forums and see the quality of their cities. If you'd gone to Shanghai 25 years ago it wasn't as developed as Karachi but see where they are now while we're going backwards.

Instead of debating how we can improve things you want to tell people to butt out? If you think everything is exactly how it should be in Pakistan then explain to us why you think so rather than just telling us who has a right to talk about the issue and who doesn't.

In successful countries they discuss things to a fine level of detail. Are you trying to tell us that in Pakistan discussion is not allowed?

Strong Hearted

December 17th, 2012, 06:48 PM

No. He actually knows what he is talking about.

Agree!

sandiego

December 18th, 2012, 05:36 AM

i agree with the rest of the folk. there is a design flaw.

highways are not supposed to run right through the densely populated areas of the cities but around them. the ones that do are usually elevated expressways like the gardiner in toronto.

siamu maharaj

December 18th, 2012, 09:26 AM

Itna ghusa? :)

Are we here to discuss things or what? I thought this was a discussion forum, not just a news update site.

Look at the cities in East Asian forums and see the quality of their cities. If you'd gone to Shanghai 25 years ago it wasn't as developed as Karachi but see where they are now while we're going backwards.

Instead of debating how we can improve things you want to tell people to butt out? If you think everything is exactly how it should be in Pakistan then explain to us why you think so rather than just telling us who has a right to talk about the issue and who doesn't.

In successful countries they discuss things to a fine level of detail. Are you trying to tell us that in Pakistan discussion is not allowed?
I hate two things:

1) Hippy treehugging NIMBYism (3 things really). Fuck that shit. And since you mentioned East Asia, you might as well know that China would kill your whole family to convert it to coal for some shit if it wants to. China is about the worst example you could a given in this context. THey give no fucks. Or you'd rather be like London where people put up with shitty airports and delays because some fucktards oppose another runway. That kind of shit makes me want to kill everyone. Progress should be an unstoppable steam engine that should annihilate anything that stands in the way - China style.

2) Supplanting ideas from the West and BS you studied in some hippy degree that's worth shoving up someone's ass. ONE, we are not fucking West. It's like this guy FREKI in the skybar - people in Denmark never have problems, I don't know why people in some Indian village do. Fucking piece of shit, that's because they are totally different. Anyone who thinks you can pick up a concept from there and put it in here needs to be shot IMO. Just because your daddy paid for some BS degree in England doesn't mean you need to spew that BS here. We are where the West was maybe 200 years ago. They can afford shit like this, we can't. Now that doesn't mean we should go back 200 years, but we can't be in 2012 (West's) either. You're a fucking moron if you think their ideas can be copy pasted here. And it extends to everything. I dunno, say, police brutality. They can afford to be against it sicne they have an amazing system. If our police is like that, they won't survive a day. We do need our lathi charge when required because even our people are basically Neanderthals. NOW, you can always aim to be like them, but not copy paste. We can't have codes for houses since the poor guy would be living on the street. We can't do that shit. Our realities (and GDP/capita) is nothing whatsoever like the West. Same extends to stuff like Western-style democracy and stuff.

3) Value for money. Shit like handicap access and stuff. WTF man. We can't afford that shit. Now if it's a private building, I don't care. But I don't want my money being spent of stupid shit like this. Also, since you want discussion, here's some discussion for you! Our elders are always taken care of by their kids (and their kids), their's aren't. We don't need that stuff, not with the amount of money we have. But no-one discussed THAT. Let's discuss a copy/paste idea. I saw soemething in Los Angeles, why don't we have it here? Boo hoo hoo. Instead of spending millions to serve one old person who contributes nothing who MIGHT use it sometime, I'd rather spend that money on 10 young people who'll serve the country in the future.

Lastly, since you talk a lot about pedestrian bridges, here's something for you. On my way home from the office I drive under THREE of those. Not a single one of them is used and pedestrians have made holes in walls (put there to stop them) to cross on foot. I swear to god, if one day I can get away, I will kill them. There's a bridge RIGHT above your head and you never use it and make me stop my car. It even happens on Sh-e-Faisal. I actually go out of my way to use them and always made fun of for doing that. Some for footpaths. I always have to drag people to use the footpath. Right outside my house every day I have to slow my car down for people who don't use it. Except for myself I've never seen a single person use it in the last 22 years.

But what do you say? Hey, let's build pedestrian bridges and footpaths! Maybe we'd hav a discussion in Pakistan if you said, hey let's make people use the ones that are alreayd there. You have a jaahil gadhi awam. You can bring water to the horse but not make it drink. Wanna discuss that? Or just copy/paste what you saw in some pedestrian-friendly street in Toronto?

Having said that, the LRR is a unique issue and there should;ve been access for people on both sides. This is something I said the first time I traveled on it.

To summarize:

Hey, I saw this in XYZ, let's copy/paste it in Pakistan: 1
Hey, let's make people more civilized and see how we can improve and come up with our own solutions: 0

I always talk about the latter...

purenyork123

December 18th, 2012, 10:21 AM

Siamu, STFU.

It might sound personal but you are so freaking negative. You are like desiyogi and rmvdweller for the Pakistani thread except they constantly chat hail mother India and etc are not nationalistic.

momers

December 18th, 2012, 10:54 AM

This mai-ka-laal studied and raised here buddy. One doesnt need to be born and raised elsewhere to talk logic good judgment and common sense.

But on the other hand, idiots and trolls are a bit more common in Pakistan, and dare I say on this forum as well.

I hate opinions like that. Esp. when some mai ka laal lives or studies in the West and brings that bullshit here.

momers

December 18th, 2012, 11:06 AM

Some serious attitude issues you have dude.

I'd do two things to you to offer you some perspective so you can come out of the proverbial well (koonwain ka maindak)

1. Take away your car so you can only walk around town. And then

2. Tie one of your legs or put it in a plaster for a month so you can live like a disabled and experience their life.

We will discuss equality, accessibility and quality of YOUR life then. I will want to hear your complaints then.

I hate two things:

1) Hippy treehugging NIMBYism (3 things really). Fuck that shit. And since you mentioned East Asia, you might as well know that China would kill your whole family to convert it to coal for some shit if it wants to. China is about the worst example you could a given in this context. THey give no fucks. Or you'd rather be like London where people put up with shitty airports and delays because some fucktards oppose another runway. That kind of shit makes me want to kill everyone. Progress should be an unstoppable steam engine that should annihilate anything that stands in the way - China style.

2) Supplanting ideas from the West and BS you studied in some hippy degree that's worth shoving up someone's ass. ONE, we are not fucking West. It's like this guy FREKI in the skybar - people in Denmark never have problems, I don't know why people in some Indian village do. Fucking piece of shit, that's because they are totally different. Anyone who thinks you can pick up a concept from there and put it in here needs to be shot IMO. Just because your daddy paid for some BS degree in England doesn't mean you need to spew that BS here. We are where the West was maybe 200 years ago. They can afford shit like this, we can't. Now that doesn't mean we should go back 200 years, but we can't be in 2012 (West's) either. You're a fucking moron if you think their ideas can be copy pasted here. And it extends to everything. I dunno, say, police brutality. They can afford to be against it sicne they have an amazing system. If our police is like that, they won't survive a day. We do need our lathi charge when required because even our people are basically Neanderthals. NOW, you can always aim to be like them, but not copy paste. We can't have codes for houses since the poor guy would be living on the street. We can't do that shit. Our realities (and GDP/capita) is nothing whatsoever like the West. Same extends to stuff like Western-style democracy and stuff.

3) Value for money. Shit like handicap access and stuff. WTF man. We can't afford that shit. Now if it's a private building, I don't care. But I don't want my money being spent of stupid shit like this. Also, since you want discussion, here's some discussion for you! Our elders are always taken care of by their kids (and their kids), their's aren't. We don't need that stuff, not with the amount of money we have. But no-one discussed THAT. Let's discuss a copy/paste idea. I saw soemething in Los Angeles, why don't we have it here? Boo hoo hoo. Instead of spending millions to serve one old person who contributes nothing who MIGHT use it sometime, I'd rather spend that money on 10 young people who'll serve the country in the future.

Lastly, since you talk a lot about pedestrian bridges, here's something for you. On my way home from the office I drive under THREE of those. Not a single one of them is used and pedestrians have made holes in walls (put there to stop them) to cross on foot. I swear to god, if one day I can get away, I will kill them. There's a bridge RIGHT above your head and you never use it and make me stop my car. It even happens on Sh-e-Faisal. I actually go out of my way to use them and always made fun of for doing that. Some for footpaths. I always have to drag people to use the footpath. Right outside my house every day I have to slow my car down for people who don't use it. Except for myself I've never seen a single person use it in the last 22 years.

But what do you say? Hey, let's build pedestrian bridges and footpaths! Maybe we'd hav a discussion in Pakistan if you said, hey let's make people use the ones that are alreayd there. You have a jaahil gadhi awam. You can bring water to the horse but not make it drink. Wanna discuss that? Or just copy/paste what you saw in some pedestrian-friendly street in Toronto?

Having said that, the LRR is a unique issue and there should;ve been access for people on both sides. This is something I said the first time I traveled on it.

To summarize:

Hey, I saw this in XYZ, let's copy/paste it in Pakistan: 1
Hey, let's make people more civilized and see how we can improve and come up with our own solutions: 0

I always talk about the latter...

siamu maharaj

December 18th, 2012, 12:48 PM

First, don't flatter yourself, I wasn't talking about you, but a general comment about most people with such a mindset. I don't care if you studied abroad or not. In fact the England comment was about this guy who came to me for a job for some Environmental BS for Brand Activities (I do such stuff for brands) or some shit like that. He couldn't have chosen a worse person to come to. Berated him for 30 minutes before asking him to leave my office.

Unluckily for you, I actually DO have a disability which makes it impossible for me to go outside under most conditions (incl. in a car, btw) and you can bet your ass I don't except others to spend money on my problems. So STFU about putting myself in someone's shoes. NEXT...

Metropole

December 18th, 2012, 08:37 PM

siamu, dude, I'm worried for you. Pakistan seems to be taking you down. Maybe you need to move to a less stressful country.

I'm 100% aware of the reality of Pakistan, it's state of development and the behaviour of it's general public. But the main difference between me and you is that no matter how pessimistic I may sometimes get in private I try to maintain a positive public face. That's because negativity is counterproductive and being optimistic helps you achieve more and also encourages others to do so.

In my view Pakistan is capable of being a lot, lot better than it is now. Like I've said before, it's potential per capita income may not be $50,000/year like the US or Europe but it is certainly more than $10,000/year compared to $1,000 now. That means that our economy should have been ten times what it is now. It's only kept down because of horrible government by rotten and corrupt politicians.

If we aim for a much better country in the future we need to improve everything - like the political system, judiciary, policing, education, health, city planning etc. And since this forum is concerned with architecture and planning we're obviously going to discuss how we can do a better job in these fields.

East Asian countries are a good example because they didn't say: "We're shit." and sat and did nothing. They actually worked hard and built great economies and cities over 10-20-30 years to international standards.

This Ring Road is a good example of a successful and high-quaility project and I like it a lot. But there are some flaws concerning pedestrians and if they rectify that it would get 10/10 from me. If you look closely on Google Maps they seem to have built many pedestrian crossings in areas of low usage but not enough in busy areas. So they just needed to be more careful with placement of the bridges. That's all.

Let's admit it. Pedestrian infrastructure in Pakistan is horrible to non-existent, apart from selected areas. As part of any decent city planning exercise they need to make drastic improvement to that. Since there are no footpaths in most places therefore people have become used to walking on the road and continue to do so when there happens to be a footpath.

Tariq Road in Karachi is a great example of missing footpaths but I'm taking the rest of the discussion to the Karachi thread.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=98423991&postcount=12465

Metropole

December 18th, 2012, 08:49 PM

I would advise people to make use of skyscrapercity.com and look at what other people are doing to improve their cities. The following is a 61 page thread with photos of Asian cities, many of which were less developed than Pakistani cities only a few years ago. Now many of them are better than American or European cities because they aimed high and achieved a lot:

Asian cities @ street level. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1103605)

FREKI

December 21st, 2012, 09:37 AM

It's like this guy FREKI in the skybar - people in Denmark never have problems, I don't know why people in some Indian village do. Fucking piece of shit, that's because they are totally different. Anyone who thinks you can pick up a concept from there and put it in here needs to be shot IMO:popcorn:

Mate, just because progress or change isn't easy, doesn't mean it's impossible.. people shouldn't just accept things - one of the reasons why Scandinavians do well is because we have learned to bitch about everything and make high demands be it wages trough unions, rights trough our elected representatives or quality trough purchase patterns..

I'm well aware that you can't just make a list and demand it to be followed and see Oslo conditions in a week - but as long as people put up with things then there will never be progression or development..

I'm sure it's frustrating as heck when things go slow, but for what it's worth as millions in developing nations are getting access to the internet and more knowledge about the outside world they see and learn and those generations will not settle with the old ways but demand and and actively change their nation and speed up progression.. ( something this forum is a very clear sign of ) they will earn more to get the conditions and gadgets and girldfriend they lust, they will educate themselves more to get better jobs and they will increase the size of the middle class and become a political force to be reckoned with..

Patience is not always easy, especially not with political turmoil and instability, but for what it worth chances are good that today was a better day than yesterday trough small advancements and as we say here in Denmark:

"Small creeks a plenty makes a big stream"

So hang in there mate - and perhaps use that anger to make local improvements rather than wishing me shot for questioning why people put up with shit.. :cheers1:

Intoxication

December 21st, 2012, 03:29 PM

:lol: LOL Freiki! How did you find yourself being mentioned here? Do you use the search option to check where your name has been mentioned?

siamu maharaj

December 21st, 2012, 07:58 PM

:popcorn:

Mate, just because progress or change isn't easy, doesn't mean it's impossible.. people shouldn't just accept things - one of the reasons why Scandinavians do well is because we have learned to bitch about everything and make high demands be it wages trough unions, rights trough our elected representatives or quality trough purchase patterns..

I'm well aware that you can't just make a list and demand it to be followed and see Oslo conditions in a week - but as long as people put up with things then there will never be progression or development..

I'm sure it's frustrating as heck when things go slow, but for what it's worth as millions in developing nations are getting access to the internet and more knowledge about the outside world they see and learn and those generations will not settle with the old ways but demand and and actively change their nation and speed up progression.. ( something this forum is a very clear sign of ) they will earn more to get the conditions and gadgets and girldfriend they lust, they will educate themselves more to get better jobs and they will increase the size of the middle class and become a political force to be reckoned with..

Patience is not always easy, especially not with political turmoil and instability, but for what it worth chances are good that today was a better day than yesterday trough small advancements and as we say here in Denmark:

"Small creeks a plenty makes a big stream"

So hang in there mate - and perhaps use that anger to make local improvements rather than wishing me shot for questioning why people put up with shit.. :cheers1:
You should be commended for finding this post!

deltaone

December 21st, 2012, 08:39 PM

A bit late into the discussion but here's my 2 cents.

Siamu's argument is valid.

From what I've read he's not wrong in saying why spend 5 million rups building a pedestrian bridge when clearly as the picture depicts jahil awaam are not using it. The same money could have been better put in educating these jahil people. There's a similar situation with bus stands.

No idea why people are linking this to bad planning as the bridge is only a few meters away from people using the hole to walk past. Clearly, accessible and evidently visible.

The only way is to punish people with fines by enforcing strict laws.

Metropole

December 21st, 2012, 09:36 PM

sandiego

December 21st, 2012, 11:34 PM

deltaone

December 22nd, 2012, 12:01 AM

@Metropole, Don't get me wrong I'm all for development.

@sandiego, I agreed with the fundamental point of what those women did is wrong and unacceptable. There are no excuses. You simply cannot pin the blame on poor planning or design as the provision for pedestrians is evidently there. So what if they placed it a few meters off? thats no excuse for making a hole 5 meters away from an actual pedestrian bridge. Can't they just walk 2 mins to get there? why endanger not only their lives but also of the toddler they hold? it is the attitude that needs to change not the design.

Intoxication

December 22nd, 2012, 02:51 AM

:wallbash:

You just encouraged siamu and he's going to start spreading doom and gloom once again.

But I agree, progress means educating people as well as proper planning. But it's not right to blame people for being "jahil." Nobody wants to be uneducated but the corrupt looters have kept people like that. The real jahils in Pakistan are the ones running the country who're more concerned with looting than building. To have "jahil awam" 65 years after independence is the fault of the looters.

I know people who are involved in the education sector and today Pakistan is one of the top two countries in the world, along with Nigeria, with the most kids out of school.

Its a shame that Pakistan has more out of school children than India, a country with 7 times as many people and Bangladesh which has roughly the same number of people as us and is much poorer. And if you read the the education for all 2012 report you will realise that India and Ethiopia have made the greatest improvements in getting kids into schools. Whilst Nigeria has gone backwards and Pakistan has made progress but not enough with regards to its population growth rate.